WEBVTT - Part Two: Adolf Eichmann: Mr. Holocaust Himself

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, I don't know why it's behind the bastards. We're

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<v Speaker 2>back is part two. Adolf Ikeman, you know, the Ikeman. Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh uh, maybe he's uh, he's the Ike from Mike

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<v Speaker 3>and Ikes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's rights the man. Yeah, Mike and Ikes, Mike Madonna

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<v Speaker 2>and Adolf Ikeman together at last in a candy.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, not Mike Madonna. I heard he was a

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<v Speaker 3>nice guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know nothing about him. He was the only

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<v Speaker 2>Mic I could famous Mike I could come up with

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<v Speaker 2>on a short order. Anyway, how you doing, Joe, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>Any big changes in life in the last like ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I got up, walked around a bit, Uh, came back.

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<v Speaker 3>Turns out Adolf ike would still piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he has not become less of one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, invented candy while I was gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, yes, the candy stuff is new. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of researchers aren't aware of that yet,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's a lie.

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<v Speaker 3>You have the forbid knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, Nazism is based on the big lie,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know. It's very funny to me. I get

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<v Speaker 2>it more if you're German, right, because the German Imperial

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<v Speaker 2>Army at the start of World War One almost certainly

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<v Speaker 2>the best army in the world and really comes within

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<v Speaker 2>a hair's breath of pulling it off right like they

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<v Speaker 2>came pretty It's not like World War Two, where it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>well past a very certain point, this was fucked like

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<v Speaker 2>they were. They were in the fight right up until

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<v Speaker 2>the last year there, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you're Austrian, it's just like you.

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<v Speaker 2>Were fucked from the jump.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on, man, this is why they only had to

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<v Speaker 3>become German nationalists, who was like, yeah, we did, we tried,

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<v Speaker 3>our thing didn't work out. It turns out we don't

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<v Speaker 3>deserve it.

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<v Speaker 2>We immediately got pantsed by both the Russians and the

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<v Speaker 2>Serbians because the Hungarians were just like you think Germany

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<v Speaker 2>strapped to a corpse. Boy, we're gonna go limp as fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go hang out this place called Asanzo for

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<v Speaker 3>a very long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's be worse than the Italians at twentieth century war.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not easy. So anyway, it's always funny to me that, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so many Austrians got hung up on the big lives, Like, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't need anyone else to explain your defeat and

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<v Speaker 2>did the Germans really, But there's just a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more to it, with the.

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<v Speaker 3>Germans still starting a political party that's just anti Austrian

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<v Speaker 3>while I'm also Austrian. Because it's like, we don't deserve it,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't deserve it.

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<v Speaker 2>It made more sense for them to get really pissed

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<v Speaker 2>at the Hungarians.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So by mid nineteen thirty two, Pikeman has joined the

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi Party. He starts reading their newspapers before he officially

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<v Speaker 2>becomes a member. He gets kind of involved in like

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<v Speaker 2>the fan fiction expanded Nazi Universe before he takes the

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<v Speaker 2>plunge itself. His favorite paper is Volkashobeobacter, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>official Nazi Party newspaper edited by Alfred Rosenberg, Friend of

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<v Speaker 2>the Pod. He's not a friend of the pod.

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<v Speaker 3>He was friendship with Alfred Rosenberg over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not going to have

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<v Speaker 2>him on the show anymore. It was a mistake in

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<v Speaker 2>the first place to bring him on. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to know his opinions on idiomine.

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<v Speaker 3>They were bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh we didn't run that episode for a reason.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why you lost your Spotify deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Anyway, Cesserine reports that he was drawn in at

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<v Speaker 2>first by these lurid stories that were printed in Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>papers of these grand street battles between the brown Shirts

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<v Speaker 2>and the SS and communists and other anti fascists in Berlin, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because that was a major part of Nazi propaganda in

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the early thirties, is these like heroic street

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<v Speaker 2>battles that are winning us the country. And you get

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<v Speaker 2>the sense, and Iikman never writes this, but you get

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<v Speaker 2>the sense that he wants, like a lot of young

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<v Speaker 2>men do some play in that martial glory, right, he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to feel like he's got a part in it, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if he didn't before. I imagine he got that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of beaten into a skull by the Junior Veterans.

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<v Speaker 2>Association, right, like you really need to be in a

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<v Speaker 2>fight to be a man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what's interesting is he'd taken no real part in

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<v Speaker 2>the urban combat that had existed between right and left

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<v Speaker 2>in Austria up to this point, right, for last five

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<v Speaker 2>or six years, there's been a ton of it. He

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<v Speaker 2>had plenty of opportunities to get involved in like these

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<v Speaker 2>kind of street fights, and he had chosen not to.

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<v Speaker 3>He saw him a choice.

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<v Speaker 2>I must say, yeah, which is, you know, shows some judgment,

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<v Speaker 2>but he clearly is like feeling it by this point, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like the fact that he's spent all this time in

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<v Speaker 2>his social life and his career instead of becoming a

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<v Speaker 2>hero to fascists. So what finally tips him over the

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<v Speaker 2>edge into joining? While the answer seems to be simple ego,

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<v Speaker 2>The Austrian Nazi Party had been founded by a war

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<v Speaker 2>veteran named Alfred Proksch, who was close friends to a

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<v Speaker 2>guy named Bolek, who himself was the gaulier or leader

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<v Speaker 2>of the Linz Nazi Party. Boleck was friends with Eichman's dad,

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<v Speaker 2>which again goes to his politics.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh my god, this keeps coming back to his dad.

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<v Speaker 3>He is such a Nepo baby. He is the Nazi

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<v Speaker 3>Nepo baby of all Nazi Nepo babies. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So another family friend and colleague of his father was

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<v Speaker 2>the father of Ernst Chelton Brunner. And if you know

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<v Speaker 2>your Nazi war criminals, Calton Brunner is a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>He will go on to be an Austrian SS member

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<v Speaker 2>who becomes director of the Reich Security Main Office the RSS. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's the organization that fucking Heidrich is running for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, right. Calton Brunner is a major member of

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<v Speaker 2>the SS, but at this point he's a young member

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<v Speaker 2>of the SS, which is itself a fairly new organization

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just starting trying to like spread in Austria

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<v Speaker 2>because Hitler's already got the Anschluss planned here. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>the younger Eichmann and Calton Brunner had known each other

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<v Speaker 2>for most of their lives. And when Eikman shows up

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<v Speaker 2>at this Nazi party meeting, Ernst embraces him and addresses

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<v Speaker 2>him using the familiar do form of greeting, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a German way of basically talking to somebody like their

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<v Speaker 2>a close friend or a member of the family. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of hierarchy of where you actually stood in

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazi state had less to do sometimes with your

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<v Speaker 2>actual rank and more to do with like, can you

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<v Speaker 2>call Hitler do right? Can you like use this intimate

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<v Speaker 2>form of greeting with the fearor if so? Or can

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<v Speaker 2>you use this intriment form of greeting with Himmler, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or with Gerring or whatever, right with somebody who's part

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<v Speaker 2>of the high command if so you've got clout right,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe more than someone who technically outranks you.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course after do you have to finish it

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<v Speaker 3>with the formal host.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, right? Yes, as rams it reminds us all,

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<v Speaker 2>so I commit. I don't know if it's a good

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<v Speaker 2>one either. I don't know German. I just know every

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<v Speaker 2>book about Hitler talks about the people who are allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to call him that. Right, it was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Eikman would later recall that he was kind of drawn

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<v Speaker 2>in to the Nazi Party and to the SS as

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<v Speaker 2>much by anything by how good Carlton Brunner's uniform looks.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, damn, those SS uniforms are slick, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to look like that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. He felt for the fucking dumbest.

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<v Speaker 2>This so many so many guys did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>He was impressed by the rapid growth of the Nazis,

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<v Speaker 2>their ascendance in Germany, how well they marched, and how

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<v Speaker 2>good their branding was. Then Calton Brenner told him you

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<v Speaker 2>you belong to us, and Eikman decided, yes, yes he did. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>At first he was a bit of an oddity at

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<v Speaker 2>party gatherings. Unemployment is soaring in Austria right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>most of the far right street fighters right are either

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<v Speaker 2>out of work or working irregularly. Aikman's first impression on

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<v Speaker 2>his colleagues is that he has money, right, He can

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<v Speaker 2>afford to buy beer and bread for everybody, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of them can't, right, So that's kind of and

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<v Speaker 2>again that makes some sort of an oddity in this

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<v Speaker 2>organization in this period, is that like, he's mister money

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<v Speaker 2>bags to them.

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<v Speaker 3>So is he a guy that gets invited to the

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<v Speaker 3>party because he brings beer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's both nepotism and that he has money for beer,

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<v Speaker 2>and one has to assume cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we've all invited that guy to the party before.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, Yes. In early nineteen thirty three, Aikman was

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<v Speaker 2>laid off from his job as a result of the

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<v Speaker 2>economic downtterm. Now, this seems to have been an amicable split.

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<v Speaker 2>He was on the chopping block because he was unmarried,

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<v Speaker 2>and they fired unmarried people before people who were married

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<v Speaker 2>and thus had families to support, and his severance was

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<v Speaker 2>generous for the time. Now, the fact that the person

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<v Speaker 2>who lays him off as his Jewish boss makes it

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<v Speaker 2>tempting to be like, oh, is like that an inciting incident,

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<v Speaker 2>But he just doesn't write about this as if he's angry.

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<v Speaker 2>His writing about it is like, yeah, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>knew like this was happening everywhere. I knew it was

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen eventually. I had already started looking for

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<v Speaker 2>new options, and they gave me good separence. Right. He

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't doesn't really describe himself as being particularly put

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<v Speaker 2>off by.

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<v Speaker 3>This, and it doesn't seem to be that thing that

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's looking for. No, it's obvious that that his anti

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<v Speaker 3>semitism is coming while he's already in the SS.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, he's not quite in it yet, but he is.

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<v Speaker 2>He's heading up towards the SS. Right, he's in the

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi Party and he clearly aspires to the SS. So

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<v Speaker 2>he's getting more anti semitic. It's just it's careerism. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that inspires him to get more anti Semitic,

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<v Speaker 2>rather than like something happening outside of that, which people

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<v Speaker 2>seem to constantly want.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's chilling with his bros who are in the SS.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going to be anti semitic eventually, yes, or lie

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<v Speaker 3>about it or pretending this friend's in good and getting

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<v Speaker 3>fucking job because he just lost his.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and honestly, to a certain point, doesn't matter if

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<v Speaker 2>you're like pretending to be anti Semitic in the SS

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<v Speaker 2>or really anti semitic.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, just like, oh I said that slur ironically, Yeah

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<v Speaker 3>he did.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, you didn't. You're literally in the SS cabot.

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<v Speaker 2>So the party is kind of his social safety net

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<v Speaker 2>and it's also his backup plan when he loses his job.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes to Calton Brenner and he's like, look, I

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<v Speaker 2>need work now, can I get some help? And Calton

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<v Speaker 2>Brenner pulls some strings and gets Iikman taken in by

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<v Speaker 2>the SS. Now, Austria bans the Nazi Party not long

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<v Speaker 2>after this, and so some of the people who had

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<v Speaker 2>been high ranking leave and go to Germany right to

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<v Speaker 2>participate because the Nazis are now in power in Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>So these guys like leave Austria to help run the

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<v Speaker 2>German government and run the SS in Germany. Calton Brynner

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<v Speaker 2>is one of them, and he takes Eichman with him. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So Eichman kind of flees Austria when the Nazis are

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<v Speaker 2>banned with Calton Brunner and gets a job in the SS.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes through a weird Nazi birthright.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, he's doing a Nazi birthright thing, and he

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<v Speaker 2>goes through months of military training and indoctrination and then

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<v Speaker 2>further training on how to run and operate a concentration camp. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, the concentration camps are not what they

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<v Speaker 2>will be. A lot of them at the point at

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<v Speaker 2>which he comes over are what you'd call wild concentration camps,

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<v Speaker 2>which are we've got this old school or police building.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a bunch of political prisoners, communists and whatnot

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to torture some of them, will kill.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just throw them in there and have guards like,

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<v Speaker 2>fuck them up a bunch, right. Gradually the system gets

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<v Speaker 2>more formalized. But at this point, obviously Jews are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the people being taken in, but also just

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of like communists, a lot of political enemies,

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<v Speaker 2>social democrats, people who are enemies of the regime are

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<v Speaker 2>being put in camps.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it wasn't all say, Also wasn't unheard of for

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<v Speaker 3>people to get released from the camps at this period

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<v Speaker 3>of time.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, no, most people do. These are not death

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<v Speaker 2>camps yet, right, you get like paroles, like people die

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<v Speaker 2>at them, but they're not death camps.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The goal of these camps is not to kill you.

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<v Speaker 2>The goal is primarily to scare people.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>By nineteen thirty four he was working under Camp Commander

0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Theodore Iike at Dachau. This involved a transfer to the SD,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the SS Security Service, which at the start

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<v Speaker 2>of the Reich is a small organization, but it's powerful

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<v Speaker 2>and feared now. Eikman gets in too late to participate

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<v Speaker 2>in the Night of Long Knives, but he benefits from

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that the SD had been the sharpest of

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<v Speaker 2>those knives, so it's kind of extra. People are extra

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<v Speaker 2>scared of it, and it has an extra degree of

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<v Speaker 2>prestige because of how it performed during that period. Right

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<v Speaker 2>in the space of less than two years, he goes

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<v Speaker 2>from being a mid level manager at an oil company

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<v Speaker 2>on his way to unemployment to a member of the

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<v Speaker 2>most feared security agency in the German world. His boss

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<v Speaker 2>like the guy once he kind of gets moved to

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<v Speaker 2>the SD. His direct superior is former Bastards POD alumni

0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Reinhard Heydrich and Eikman. Before Jerusalem, Bettina Stangneth writes, this

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<v Speaker 2>was a big step up in the world. Eichmann felt

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<v Speaker 2>he had established himself a fact in his to marry

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<v Speaker 2>and start a family, which within the SS was also

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<v Speaker 2>a good career move. He married Vera Leebel, a woman

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<v Speaker 2>from a lot in Bohemia, four years his junior. She

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<v Speaker 2>and her two brothers, who worked for the Gestapo would

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<v Speaker 2>come to profit from her husband's social climbing. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is a big part of how shit works, right, This

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<v Speaker 2>is like a gangster regime, a lot of the benefit.

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<v Speaker 2>Eikman doesn't have money, right, He's still not. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>like risk connections, but he can get married and convince

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<v Speaker 2>them because he's got connections which will help your family out.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, yeah, if you I don't have enough as

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<v Speaker 2>much money as you might want from a suitor, but

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<v Speaker 2>I can help my brothers in law get contracts and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I could. I could be a Nazi job program

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<v Speaker 3>for your shity brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, for your fail brothers. Yeah, that's exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the stuff works in this period.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course. I mean his dad has gotten almost

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<v Speaker 3>every job he's ever had, and now he's Calton Brunner

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<v Speaker 3>hanging out with him. He's set. He's in the worst

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<v Speaker 3>way possible, but he's set.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a made man with a Nazism.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he went to the local trade school on concentration camps.

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<v Speaker 3>He's everything you're looking for. Yeah, yeah, he's perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the things he likes most about the

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<v Speaker 2>SD is that you don't have to wear your uniform

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<v Speaker 2>every day. Right, you can like wear normal clothes when

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<v Speaker 2>you're in the SD because you're like the FBI of

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazis, right, and you don't have to. Also, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to do any of the pointless drills and

0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.640
<v Speaker 2>marching that like a lot of guys in the SS do.

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<v Speaker 2>There's less of the paramilitarism, which is boring. Right, it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of makes life achure.

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<v Speaker 3>And it also is the military makes everything that can

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<v Speaker 3>make you sick of walking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this is like your fake racism military. And

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<v Speaker 2>Reikman gets to skip the bullshit, right, And he gets

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<v Speaker 2>to skip the bullshit in a way that makes him

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<v Speaker 2>feel special. Right, I get to skip the bullshit because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like smarter and more valuable than the other guys. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>And like his ego, he so much of why he

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<v Speaker 2>becomes so dedicated to the Nazis. Is that Nazism feeds

0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.040
<v Speaker 2>his ego and his belief that he's special, that the

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<v Speaker 2>world had not really tailored to earlier in his life.

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<v Speaker 3>And unfortunately it seems to like a lot of these guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, it's careerism. But like he was good at it,

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<v Speaker 3>he is going to be unfortunately good at it. Yes, yeah, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>he's very good at it. He's got a good brain

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<v Speaker 3>for logistics. Tragically. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>After April of nineteen thirty five, SS members were officially

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<v Speaker 2>forbidden from having personal contact with Jews. This was waived

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<v Speaker 2>for the SD because the nature of their workman that

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<v Speaker 2>they were always on duty. Iikman decided to rebrand himself

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<v Speaker 2>as an expert on Jews and Judaism, and he starts

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<v Speaker 2>going undercover to Jewish civil organizations and making connections to

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<v Speaker 2>different community leaders, and he pretends to be a liberal, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so he'll show up at Jewish gatherings. Remember this is

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<v Speaker 2>early in the Third Reich. These communities have not been

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<v Speaker 2>completely disrupted or uprooted yet, and they're trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how do we protect ourselves from this government that's

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<v Speaker 2>getting increasingly hostile towards us and Iikman starts showing up

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<v Speaker 2>and being like, hey, man, fucked up what those Nazis

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<v Speaker 2>are doing. I'm really curious about your faith. Would you

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<v Speaker 2>like tell me some stuff about how things work? Right? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was. He would occasionally he would be open

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<v Speaker 2>about being in the SS, but a lot of Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>community leaders would still talk to him because they were like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's useful. He's a man in the SS. We can reach, right,

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<v Speaker 2>he seems like a decent enough guy. We can convince

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<v Speaker 2>him that we're people, and maybe he'll provide us with

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<v Speaker 2>some protection. Right, we can convince him of our humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes so far as to briefly take Hebrew classes

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<v Speaker 2>from a Jewish teacher, despite being officially forbidden on two

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<v Speaker 2>different occasions from doing so. And this is something it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be. It's exaggerated because he will exaggerate it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's never a fluent speaker of Hebrew. Right. He picks

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<v Speaker 2>up a couple of phrases that he can use and whatnot,

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<v Speaker 2>and he likes to drop them. He likes to drop

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrew phrases and like SS meetings and stuff to show

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<v Speaker 2>everyone how knowledgeable he is about the Jews. That he's

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<v Speaker 2>the expert. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>What's really funny is I think most people, well at

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<v Speaker 3>the time, would speak Yiddish and not Hebrew anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he also he also picks up right, he takes

0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Hebrew classes, but he does pick he picks up little

0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:12.240
<v Speaker 2>bits of both. This year there's a the movie Conspiracy,

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<v Speaker 2>He kind of the Aikman in that claims to have

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<v Speaker 2>learned a lot more Hebrew than he really did. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's also what real Aikman did to his colleagues, because

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<v Speaker 2>none of them are able to be like, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>really speak Hebrew, right, because they don't know they're Nazis.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, right, I don't know the first thing about

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<v Speaker 3>it because it's yeah, and he can make himself seem

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<v Speaker 3>like more of a a strategic thinkers, like no, I

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<v Speaker 3>know my enemy and such, I know my enemy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's doing his son Soux shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And you see that kind of shit all the

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<v Speaker 3>time when people are reframing these guys and making them

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<v Speaker 3>seem like evil geniuses and not just like again a

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<v Speaker 3>nepo idiot who was really good at logistics.

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<v Speaker 2>The genius here is not that he was so well

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<v Speaker 2>informed about Judaism and like Gain such a deep it

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<v Speaker 2>was that he knew all I have to do. If

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<v Speaker 2>I take a if I can get like a dozen

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<v Speaker 2>words and phrases down, and I can read passages from

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<v Speaker 2>a couple pieces of rabbinical literature. Everyone else knows so

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<v Speaker 2>little about these people, then I will be the most

0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.440
<v Speaker 2>knowledgeable guy about Jews in the SS. And that's probably

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<v Speaker 2>a really good path to career advancement. No one's ever

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<v Speaker 2>gonna call me on this shit, and I can make

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<v Speaker 2>a place for myself in this organization.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, He's literally the world of the blind, the man

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<v Speaker 3>with what eyes cake, but he is what eye for Hebrew? Yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Stangnet's book goes on to describe the extent of his studies. Later,

0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Eichmann would speak of a course of study that took

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<v Speaker 2>three years. He didn't mention that his superiors occasionally had

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<v Speaker 2>to reprimand him for disorganization and tardiness. It would be

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<v Speaker 2>easy to mistake his lifestyle for that of a scientifically

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<v Speaker 2>inclined a steat with some crude political views, except that

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<v Speaker 2>between coffeehouse chats, memos, lectures, and evening conferences with his colleagues,

0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:53.320
<v Speaker 2>he was meticulously keeping denunciation files and writing anti Semitic propaganda,

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<v Speaker 2>making arrests and carrying out joint interrogations with the Gestapo. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>there were occasions rumors within the SS because of the

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<v Speaker 2>way he talks, because of what he's doing, that Eikman

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<v Speaker 2>is either sympathetic towards Jews and there even there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>a long series of myths that he has Jewish ancestry,

0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.520
<v Speaker 2>that he's like born Jewish, that he's born in a

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish part of the world, right, Like, yeah, there are

0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:21.240
<v Speaker 2>myths about that within the SS, but that also gets overstated,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he dealt with a little bit of shit, probably,

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<v Speaker 2>but the overwhelming reaction of his colleagues seemed to have

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<v Speaker 2>been respect for his knowledge. By nineteen thirty six, Adolf

0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Eichman was widely considered the SD's chief expert on Judaism.

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<v Speaker 2>His mentor in the SD, ed Leervon Mildenstein, had become

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<v Speaker 2>fascinated with Zionism and started to consider if immigration to

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<v Speaker 2>Palestine was a possible solution to Germany. He's Jewish question, right,

0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.080
<v Speaker 2>could we ship all these people to Palestine? Right and

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<v Speaker 2>have that let us get rid of them?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? It reminds me of the Madagascar Plan as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We're about to talk about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So Eikman,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's one of these guys where there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of unscientific thinking and a lot of just like

0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.480
<v Speaker 2>propaganda around the Jews that is just made out of

0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:11.920
<v Speaker 2>fantasies because they're just at a certain point when they're

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<v Speaker 2>rising to power, just throwing out as many lies as

0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.640
<v Speaker 2>possible to scare people. But Reinhardt Heidrich and the SD

0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.360
<v Speaker 2>is like, no, no, no, we need a scientific approach

0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.840
<v Speaker 2>to race, and we need to have a real understanding

0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:24.800
<v Speaker 2>of what's going on here. And as a result, Heidrich

0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.800
<v Speaker 2>is going to kind of pick out Eikman and be

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<v Speaker 2>like this, this guy is someone we need to bring

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<v Speaker 2>further into the fold. Per an article on BBC's website

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<v Speaker 2>titled Adolf Eichman The Mind of a war Criminal. Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>While rabble rousers like Joseph Gebbels railed against the Jews

0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.520
<v Speaker 2>and called forever harsher but directionless measures against them, the

0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:49.720
<v Speaker 2>SD quietly promoted Jewish immigration. To this end, Eikman contacted

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<v Speaker 2>Zionist invoys and may even made a visit to Palestine

0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:56.960
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty seven. Now again, Eikman is going to

0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:58.760
<v Speaker 2>make a lot of tea out of the fact that

0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.240
<v Speaker 2>he's been to Palestine. This is a total nothing burger.

0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Iikman makes it to the border of the British mandate

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<v Speaker 2>in Palestine and the British authorities are like, are you literally,

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<v Speaker 2>Adolf Iikeman, get the fuck out of here? What do

0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:14.960
<v Speaker 2>you think you're doing? We know who you are. Get

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<v Speaker 2>out of.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, like out of fucking hear. Yeah, this is classic

0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.800
<v Speaker 3>Hydric as well. It's just like he takes all these

0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:28.960
<v Speaker 3>street thugs as like, Okay, I like the energy, but

0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:32.320
<v Speaker 3>we need to professionalize it to make it palatable for everybody. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>we can't. We can't all just be street clubbing racists.

0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.639
<v Speaker 3>We have to be gentlemen racists and are really stupid

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<v Speaker 3>hugo boss uniforms.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, who ears read a book? Just Iikman? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you're my expert. Promoted and for the rest of his career,

0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:49.679
<v Speaker 2>Iikman would constantly talk about like, you know, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>to Palestine. I've seen what the Jews are like in

0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:54.720
<v Speaker 2>their natural environment, right, Like that's the way he phrases it,

0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and it's like again, you like got to the border.

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<v Speaker 3>The Nazi Richard Attenborough.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, that's what he's trying to be. And again

0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.840
<v Speaker 2>he has he does nothing over there, right, the British

0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.959
<v Speaker 2>will not let this fucker in. This is where we

0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.760
<v Speaker 2>start to see his brilliance for branding. Right. If he

0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:13.960
<v Speaker 2>was coming up today, he might have been an ad man, right,

0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.199
<v Speaker 2>because he's gonna he's going to use this very effectively,

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.520
<v Speaker 2>even his failures to kind of blend into this myth

0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:25.359
<v Speaker 2>he's creating for himself about himself. His specific recommendation to

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<v Speaker 2>the SD after he finishes talking to you know this trip,

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<v Speaker 2>and he also has a lot of interviews with a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of different Zionists in Europe, and he makes an

0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.240
<v Speaker 2>official recommendation that the SD should not promote the creation

0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:39.560
<v Speaker 2>of a Jewish state, per that BBC article. Instead, it

0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.920
<v Speaker 2>should encourage Jewish immigration to backward countries where they would

0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:45.840
<v Speaker 2>live in poverty. And his assumption is that like, well,

0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:48.080
<v Speaker 2>if we send a bunch of them over to Palestine

0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:50.800
<v Speaker 2>and they like when the British leave, they make like

0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:54.600
<v Speaker 2>a state, you know, with the Palestinians, that state might

0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:57.280
<v Speaker 2>do well, and then there will be like a place

0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:00.480
<v Speaker 2>where Jewish people are comfortable. We can only send them

0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:04.120
<v Speaker 2>to places that are like completely fucked right, that's his attitude.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's why the first thing they came up with

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:08.679
<v Speaker 3>was called the Ohio Plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, right, Yes, So immediately after this he's promoted

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:17.680
<v Speaker 2>and sent to Vienna. Austria had just been annexed by Germany,

0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:20.080
<v Speaker 2>and as the SD's duty as an expert, Eichman was

0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:23.120
<v Speaker 2>put in charge of an operation to convince Austria's Jews

0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:26.800
<v Speaker 2>to immigrate. Here he applied his experience from the corporate world,

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.680
<v Speaker 2>cutting through red tape and ordering all the different agencies

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.840
<v Speaker 2>who had a hand in the immigration process to combine

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 2>and operate out of a single physical space to speed

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.640
<v Speaker 2>things up. He also does and obviously that works. That's

0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 2>generally better, especially in this time where you don't have

0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:42.680
<v Speaker 2>the internet, if people are just like have to go

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.119
<v Speaker 2>down a floor to like get this paperwork stamped by

0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 2>another organization before this family can leave. Yeah, he also

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:52.920
<v Speaker 2>does his normal thing of and this is a big

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.400
<v Speaker 2>part of his logistical work. In this very early stage

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:59.200
<v Speaker 2>of the Holocaust, he is directly interfacing with rabbis and

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.920
<v Speaker 2>other representatives of the Jewish community in the different places

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:05.440
<v Speaker 2>he's working, in this case Vienna, right where he will

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 2>sit down and say, look, there's all these different groups.

0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:10.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, You've got Orthodox folks, You've got folks who

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:13.680
<v Speaker 2>are like these different kind of communities within Vienna. You

0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:17.159
<v Speaker 2>all need to form a single organization to represent you

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.520
<v Speaker 2>and elect representatives so that I can negotiate with a

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 2>representative on behalf of all of you in order to

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 2>execute the plans that we're going to be executing to

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.000
<v Speaker 2>try to push you guys out. Right, I want a

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:33.480
<v Speaker 2>single umbrella organization, and that organization we will let raise

0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 2>money from rich Jews to fund the immigration of poor

0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Jews out of Austria. Right, this is what he's doing

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 2>in this period of time.

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.280
<v Speaker 3>And did you guys that form a government that represents

0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:44.840
<v Speaker 3>you so I can get rid of you?

0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:46.879
<v Speaker 2>So I can get rid of you, right. We need

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:48.720
<v Speaker 2>you to centralize because I don't want to talk to

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 2>fucking forty different people to like actually like work this together. Right,

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 2>And despite his antipathy towards Zionism, he starts allowing Zionist

0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 2>organizations to operate in Austria because he's primarily being judged

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:03.480
<v Speaker 2>on what are the number It's like you know, with

0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:05.480
<v Speaker 2>ice right now, it's just how many what can we

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:07.399
<v Speaker 2>get how many numbers can we get on the board?

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Is the easiest thing to go after, like law abiding

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 2>people who were showing up in court the way they're

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>supposed to and just arrest them. That's easier, pumps our

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:19.360
<v Speaker 2>numbers up. What Eikman's doing is like, look these Zionist organizations.

0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 2>I just told everyone, I think it's a bad idea,

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.880
<v Speaker 2>but they're getting people out, They've got money, and all

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm being judged by is how fast Jews are leaving Austria.

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<v Speaker 2>Right That's all that matters to me, right now, you know,

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 2>right now, that's all that matters to him. In Germany,

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Iikman had used charm to try and convince Jewish leaders

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:39.400
<v Speaker 2>to meet with him. If that didn't work, he'd hold

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 2>up the SD's bloody reputation as a threat in Austria.

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Armed with potent new legal authority, he simply subpoened every

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Jewish community leader he wanted to meet. But Tina Stangneth

0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:53.120
<v Speaker 2>writes Iikman flaunted his black SS uniform, his writing crop,

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 2>and his knowledge of Judaism and Zionism. It Ulfh Boehm,

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 2>who had just completed the second volume of the History

0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 2>of the Zionist movement learned that Eikman was one of

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 2>his most avid readers, who knew whole pages of the

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 2>first volume from memory. Bom realized that the SS was

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 2>going to use the knowledge he had painstakingly gathered as

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 2>its access point to the world of Jewish organizations and

0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 2>as a weapon against the Jews. Eikman then explained what

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 2>he expected from the third volume, a lengthy chapter about himself,

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Adolf Iikman as a pioneer of Zionism. The fact that

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Adolf Bohm couldn't bear the thought and never wrote another

0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:27.880
<v Speaker 2>word tells us all we need to know, without even

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.240
<v Speaker 2>thinking about what happened next, that this guy.

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 3>The scholar's like, wait, who's reading my boh no, I

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:38.119
<v Speaker 3>imagine doing the convention circuit and then he comes up

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 3>to your desk like I retire forever. I'm not signed up.

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 2>I fucked up. I fucked up.

0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:44.720
<v Speaker 3>I think I need to be a cobbler.

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 2>If Aikman's my biggest fan, I made a mistake. I'm sorry.

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.120
<v Speaker 2>This was I was not doing the right thing.

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 3>You have chosen poorly in life, and I say that

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:57.399
<v Speaker 3>you need to find a new venture, Like.

0:26:57.520 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I think we could all agree. If Adolf Eichmann is

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.880
<v Speaker 2>your book's biggest fan, get rid of that book. Get

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 2>rid of that book.

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 3>It would be like if Plins came to one of

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:10.440
<v Speaker 3>my live shows, like, yeah, show's over. I love your No.

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 2>No, we're hitting the wrong demo. So the guilt and

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 2>shame from this caused Boem to have a nervous breakdown,

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 2>for which he was institutionalized. As you may be aware,

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 2>the Nazis first started experimenting with zyklon B and with

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.440
<v Speaker 2>gassing in general. They weren't using zyklon B yet as

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 2>part of the T four euthanasia program, which can be

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 2>accurately summarized as murdering disabled people. ADOLFH. Bohm was gassed

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.880
<v Speaker 2>at the Hartheim euthanasia Center on April fourth, nineteen forty one.

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 2>His wife was gassed at Auschwitz in nineteen forty four.

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Both of their children escaped to the West. Right a

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 2>guy that writes this book, Christ, Now, I've gotten ahead

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 2>of myself a little bit here. I just it's bleak stuff.

0:27:50.760 --> 0:28:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of bleak stuff, Ads, we're back. So where we

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:04.639
<v Speaker 2>are in the story. Now the anglos has just happened.

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Austria's Germany. Now Eichmann is currently in Vienna, tasked with

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 2>getting as many Jews to leave the country as possible.

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Cesarini writes, quote, he established an assembly line system whereby

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>a Jew could end up at the Central Immigration office

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 2>with his papers and proceed from desk to desk until

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 2>he arrived at the end with a passport and an

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 2>exit visa, but stripped of his property cash, and writes,

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 2>within a few months the office had emigrated one hundred

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 2>and fifty thousand Jews. Now this is seen is a

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 2>massive success, not just by his boss Heidrich and the

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 2>SD but across the whole Nazi party. He was promoted again,

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and after the annexation of Czechoslovakia, was ordered to repeat

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 2>his performance in Prague. He does this well, and he

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 2>winds up in late nineteen thirty nine, attached to a

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 2>major Gestapo office in Berlin and tasked with managing the

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 2>immigration of Jews from the entire Reich.

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 3>He's got great Nazis saber metrics, he really does, right

0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 3>like that is he's a logistics guy, right like that.

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 3>His whole involvement in Zionism is all like well, these

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 3>people have like a already have a path to getting

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 3>folks out, even though I may not. I personally like

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 3>have already expressed why I don't think that's a great idea.

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 3>All that I care about is my career and this

0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 3>will this puts numbers on the board for me. Right,

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 3>That's fundamentally who he is now.

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 2>By this point, by the point time after Prague, when

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 2>he's in Berlin and he's in charge of emigration out

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 2>of the Reich, of all of the Jews in the

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 2>Greater German Reich, he has fully become the man who

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 2>will ultimately organize the mass murder of about six million Jews. Right,

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>And Eichman loves being this guy. There is nothing banal

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>about it. He luxuriates in the power and prestige of

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 2>his position, and he describes himself as a member of

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 2>the ideological elite in the SS. One Jewish witness who

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.719
<v Speaker 2>met him at one of these meetings described and then

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Eikman entered like a young god. He was very good

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 2>looking at that time, tall, black, shining ugh in Iikman

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 2>before Jerusalem staying death continues. His behavior too, was godlike.

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 2>He was master of arresting and then releasing people, of

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 2>banning institutions and then allowing them to resume. He initiated

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 2>and censored a Jewish newspaper, and eventually even got to

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 2>decide who could access the Jewish community's bank accounts. And

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 2>he's he loves this, right, this power, this I can

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I can make your organization legal or illegal with a

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 2>snap of my hands. I have control over your community's

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 2>bank assets, right, and I get to use that to

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 2>make you do whatever I want. Right. I have gone

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>from being this middle manager to being this guy with like,

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 2>I am in charge of the Jewish people in the Reich. Right,

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 2>that's his position here.

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 3>He seems to be basking in the globe because the

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 3>banning and unbanning thing, to me is is more of

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 3>a clue than the bank account thing, because yeah, he's

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 3>controlling people that can come together. It's like, never mind

0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 3>your band, never mind he can come together. I can

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 3>just do this all day.

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, this is totally within my power. By the

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 2>end of the nineteen thirties, he is famous across Central Europe,

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 2>not just within the small world of the SD but

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 2>among the entire remaining Jewish population in Central Europe. And

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Eichman makes damn sure everyone knows he's the shot caller,

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>even when he isn't He bragged that The Zionist Review,

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 2>a German Jewish newspaper, was quote my newspaper because of

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 2>how extensively he'd exercised control over its contents.

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 3>That's Nazi stolen valor.

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's Yeah. Jews across the Reich wrote

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 2>about him to each other and in letters to relatives

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>and colleagues on the outside. So this is this is

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>the like the point at which people start talking about

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Eichmann in newspapers and whatnot outside of Germany. And in fact,

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 2>he is the first guy directly associated with like implementation

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 2>of anti Jewish policies in Germany who gets discussed widely

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 2>outside of Europe.

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Right, and somehow he's the guy that becomes the portrait

0:31:58.640 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 3>of banality.

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's really not a Nazi rock star, yeah, exactly,

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 2>he's like a rock star of racism. Right, there's nothing

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 2>but all about it. Holocaust scholar Tom Segev pointed out

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 2>that while Eichman was not very high ranking on paper,

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 2>he is not a top member of the SS. He

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 2>answers to Reinhard Heydrich, right, and that's not his only

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 2>superior as other people who are his bosses on paper,

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 2>but he's answering to Hydrich, who is very high up

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>in the Nazi higherarchy and favored by Hitler, and Eichman

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>is the highest ranking member of the SS to sit

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 2>directly with Jews and talk to Jewish community leaders, right.

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 2>And as a result, this is Segev writing, the Jews

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 2>looked upon him and Hitler as the two adolfs who

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 2>perpetuated the Holocaust. So part of this is he's really

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 2>burnishing his image, and part of it is, you know,

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 2>every Jewish survivor obviously hates Hitler, but also they hate

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Aikman because a lot of them were face to face

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>with him, they saw him interacting with their He's the guy.

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Literally the face of their deportation misery right right exactly.

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 3>This is very helpful to his career in the immediate term.

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 3>It ensured he was taken seriously and that local Jewish leaders,

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 3>who still believe there could be some sort of compromise

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 3>with the Nazi state would bend over backwards to do

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 3>what he said. This makes it easy for him to

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 3>hit his quotas, which ensures his continued prestige and the

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 3>rise in his career prospects. By the immediate pre war period,

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 3>he'd been invited to meetings with Herman Gerring and was

0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 3>known personally by guys like Joseph Gebbels and Heinrich Himmler

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 3>more than rank personal connection to famous figures in German

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 3>leadership or what insured one's position in the Reich. And

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 3>once once you see Eichmann with the literal reichs Marshal

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 3>Herman Gerring, right, the guy who supposed to take over

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 3>Hitler dies, right, he starts getting invited to things, right

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 3>because you're like, well, fuck, this guy's this guy's in, right,

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 3>we'd better if I want to be in i'd better

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 3>make sure he's at my parties. And so he starts

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 3>getting invited to these high end social functions. In nineteen

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 3>three eight, at age thirty two, he's invited to a

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 3>film industry ball in Vienna. He takes parts in parades

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 3>in annex Czechoslovakia, and when he has ideas for experiments

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 3>like creating forced labor camps for Jews in Austria, he's

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 3>allowed to divert funds and manpower to attempt them. Now ugh,

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 3>he's again, he's he's loving this right, both the flex

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 3>of power and the respect that he's giving He's never

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 3>the only mind behind implementation, right or execution. There's other

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 3>guys in the SD who are interested in labor camps

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 3>for their Jewish prisoners. But Eichmann is like the guy

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.399
<v Speaker 3>who's helping to pitch this, and he's also making sure

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 3>his face is out in front of it because he

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:40.919
<v Speaker 3>thinks it's a good idea. He is better than any

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:44.880
<v Speaker 3>of his comrades at PR And he starts giving himself nicknames,

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 3>and his favorite nickname.

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Is the Czar of the Jews.

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh my god, we love a guy who nicknames himself.

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 3>And the nicknames are always terrible awful, but it shows

0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 3>you how he views himself, right, and what is satisfying. Yeah,

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 3>he's not satisfied in this point that he's eliminating these people.

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 3>He's satisfied primarily that they have to bow to him. Right,

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 3>that's his first high here, right. Yeah, he probably enjoys

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 3>that and the fact that people know that he's doing

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 3>it more than the fact that he's doing it, because

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 3>again we haven't talked about any of his like hardcore

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.359
<v Speaker 3>anti Semitic writings or ideological turn like. This is all

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.840
<v Speaker 3>careerism and self promotion. Yeah, for him, he would do

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:29.800
<v Speaker 3>this if they weren't Jewish, he would do this to

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 3>some other group.

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he is writing very anti Semitic papers here,

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:38.200
<v Speaker 2>But I think I think that the benefits to him

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 2>personally for going down this road are more a motivation.

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Although he does he also makes himself increasingly anti Semitic

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 2>as he's doing this too, right, he is getting more

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:49.280
<v Speaker 2>and more racist and more and more hateful.

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I could also see this as kind of

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 3>like fitting the part because before he got all these connections,

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:58.240
<v Speaker 3>people were spreading rumors about him having Jewish family members

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 3>because he was, you know, having let's say, FaceTime with

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 3>Jewish community leaders. So yeah, now he's like, no, I'm

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 3>going to do both. And now nobody is going to

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 3>be confused about this. And this is not, like, of course,

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.320
<v Speaker 3>a good thing. That the fact that he's willing to

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 3>do this for bald face careerism is not a better

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 3>or worse.

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not only by the time we get to

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.880
<v Speaker 2>the Holocaust there is more than bald face careerism.

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Then.

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I think that's his I think that's what

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of this is right now.

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 2>He takes a lot of joy whenever he hears his

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.320
<v Speaker 2>nicknames repeated in the wild by other people because it

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 2>proves that they're spreading, and he sees his name start

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 2>to be in constant use in Western newspapers around the world,

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 2>particularly like Socialist incliented papers, which are some of the

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 2>earliest ones to report on early stages of the Holocaust.

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:47.239
<v Speaker 3>He must have loved that so much.

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he fucking loves it. He makes a big show

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:53.320
<v Speaker 2>about being angry at the Jewish press for calling him names,

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 2>but he has his staff members comb dozens of newspapers

0:36:57.080 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 2>from different countries looking for mentions of him, and like

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 2>clipping them out, and he keeps them in like he

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 2>has these little keepsake books for his news coverage.

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 3>God just rapidly coming up with new nicknames, like he's

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Chris fucking Jericho.

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right, and these two Like these nicknames,

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 2>and all of these the news clippings about him. He

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 2>uses them as weapons during his endless meetings with Jewish

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:23.800
<v Speaker 2>community groups. Ben o' khone, a representative for the Jewish

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 2>community in Berlin, recalled one such meeting years later. It

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:30.399
<v Speaker 2>began with a forceful attack by Eikman on the representatives

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 2>of the German Jews. He had a folder of press

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:34.320
<v Speaker 2>cuttings in front of him for and of course, in

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 2>which Iikman was portrayed as a bloodhound who wanted to

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 2>kill the Jews. He read us excerpts from the Pariser

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Tagblot and asked if this was correct, and it said

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 2>the information had had to come from our circles. Who

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 2>spoke to Landau from the Ita It must have been

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 2>one of you. And it's interesting to me that he's

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:54.239
<v Speaker 2>like he's taking these both to yell at them for

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 2>like who's talking to these different newspapers? How could they

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 2>possibly know? And also to show them look at how

0:37:59.080 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 2>they're talking about me.

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Right, you need to take me seriously, right, And he

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:04.799
<v Speaker 3>guys aren't going to blink at me when I hit

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 3>you with the teen vogue clipping right.

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 2>And bloodhound is a common title that members of the

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 2>SS get in this if they're very aggressive at pursuing Jews.

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:17.279
<v Speaker 2>And Eikman, despite what he says in this meeting, is

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 2>proud to be called a bloodhound. Right. In Hungary in

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty four, he would introduce himself in meetings by saying,

0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 2>do you know who I am? I am a bloodhound, right, like,

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:29.760
<v Speaker 2>that's what he's that's how he's talking about his see.

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Crystal Faltz character.

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the hero they call me right, yes, yeah. Now,

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Eikman was by far the best known of his comrades,

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:41.240
<v Speaker 2>and the fact that he really was deeply complicit shouldn't

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>obscure the reality that he also exaggerated his involvement and

0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 2>responsibility for clout. He was not the only guy with

0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:51.320
<v Speaker 2>nicknames like this. Once the Nazis invaded Poland with the

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:54.839
<v Speaker 2>ussr Amon Goeth became the head of a concentration camp

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 2>in Crackow and earned the nickname Emperor of Crackow. This

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:00.880
<v Speaker 2>put him right up there with Joseph of Weitzel, one

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 2>of Iikman's top employees and commandant of a camp in Doppel,

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 2>which earned him the nickname the Jews Emperor of Doppel.

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Right Christ, Yeah.

0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 3>If memory Cesaray is an am on Goth the camp

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 3>commander that was so corrup the Nazis fired him.

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:18.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe he was the one that got shit

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 2>canned for being so fucking like yes, oh man, So

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 2>we don't really know like how often these nicknames are,

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:31.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, things that he came up with himself. How

0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:33.760
<v Speaker 2>many of them are things that like people in Europe

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 2>came up to describe him because of how major he is,

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>But he was a lot of the time he created

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.839
<v Speaker 2>his own nickname. Right during like, well, he's in Argentina

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.719
<v Speaker 2>and hanging out with other escape Nazi friends, he would

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.840
<v Speaker 2>brag to them that he had been nicknamed the Jews Pope.

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 2>And there's no evidence of this that anyone ever called

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:54.239
<v Speaker 2>This is a nickname he made up for himself, Like,

0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:57.280
<v Speaker 2>no one would have called you that, Adolph Eikman.

0:39:58.280 --> 0:39:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Do you hear what they call me in Vienna? They

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.439
<v Speaker 3>call me Thunderbird? Right? Is that cool? Yeah?

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 2>He also told friends, the men in my command had

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:08.040
<v Speaker 2>the kind of respect for me that prompted the Jews

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.239
<v Speaker 2>to effectively set me on a throne. Right, This is

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:12.839
<v Speaker 2>very important to him that, like he'd be seen as

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 2>having been worshiped by these people who were under his thumb. Right,

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>that's a massive deal for Adolph Eikman. Now, he's often

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 2>depicted as a fanatic driven by hatred, but in deep reading,

0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:25.879
<v Speaker 2>I see ego as at least as much a driver

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 2>of his actions. He certainly hated and his bigotry only

0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 2>increased alongside his power, but I read a hunger for

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 2>power and respect that drowned out other motivations A lot

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:37.280
<v Speaker 2>of the time. Eikman did not rise through the Nazi

0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:40.040
<v Speaker 2>hierarchy because he was a fanatic. He became a fanatic

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 2>because Nazism offered him an opportunity to be a great man,

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:47.319
<v Speaker 2>one which no other system would have afforded him. Now,

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 2>the conquest of half of Poland presents a problem for Iikman.

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Prior to the Nazis invading, Jews had made up about

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 2>one percent of the population of the Reich, which is

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.120
<v Speaker 2>about half a million people out of a population of

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:03.279
<v Speaker 2>sixty seven million. Significant numbers of these folks had immigrated,

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 2>and in general the Austrian and Czech Jewish populations were

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 2>also comparatively small, right, which had made it easy for

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Eikman to put up good numbers using the tactics we've discussed.

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Almost three and a half million Jews lived in Poland

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 2>prior to World War II. This meant overnight the task

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:21.359
<v Speaker 2>on Aikman's lap increased by an order of magnitude. Per

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:24.440
<v Speaker 2>a BBC article titled Eikman, Mind of a War Criminal,

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Eikman explored a fresh option to porting Jews to a

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 2>designated Jewish territory. He traveled to Poland to identify an

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 2>appropriate location and then ordered that thousands of Czech and

0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:36.399
<v Speaker 2>Viennese Jews be rounded up and sent eastward to lay

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 2>the basis for this territorial solution. Within a few months, however,

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.920
<v Speaker 2>the plan was scrapped Eikman's office lacked the resources for it,

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 2>an other SS project sad preference. At the same time,

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:48.320
<v Speaker 2>he was brutally evicting hundreds of thousands of Poles and

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Jews to make way for ethnic Germans transplanted from Eastern

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Europe into the newly annexed areas of the Reich. As

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 2>a temporary measure, the displaced Jews were packed into ghettos,

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 2>but where would they go? Eventually, after the fall of France,

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I took up a plan emanating from the German Foreign

0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Office to ship four million European Jews to Madagascar. And

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 2>he's not the author of the Madagascar Plan, but he

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 2>is for a while kind of its most prominent like adherent, right,

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 2>which is this idea that like, we got to get

0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:18.400
<v Speaker 2>these people out of Europe, and maybe we could if

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:21.800
<v Speaker 2>they live in Madagascar, that'll be fine, right, it'll be

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 2>safer for Yeah, this is.

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.320
<v Speaker 3>Why those movies were dangerous. They give people ideas.

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you think different things about Madagascar, includ the

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.560
<v Speaker 2>fact that there's already a plenty of people.

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 3>There, a lot of people, yeah, famously.

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:38.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now this is also the Madagascar Plan because this

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really happen, It never gets close to happening. But

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 2>it's evidence that the Holocaust was not necessarily a given

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 2>from the jump. As we'll talk about, you can find

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.360
<v Speaker 2>quotes from Hitler and other top Nazis going back to

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 2>the twenties that can be seen as preludes to the Holocaust,

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't a settled plan until the early forties.

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:59.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there's something of an unfair amount of weight

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 3>that gets put on the Madagascar plan. Like, no, obviously,

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 3>of course with Holocaust, the diers, like the ones that

0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 3>acknowledge that the camps exist, that but the people died

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:12.000
<v Speaker 3>from like disease or whatever is the track that they take,

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:14.879
<v Speaker 3>Like there is these detailed plans in place to send

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:18.000
<v Speaker 3>all these people the Madagascar. Yeah, rather than it was

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:20.320
<v Speaker 3>drawings on a drunk person's napkin.

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 2>They talked about a lot of shit right, that they

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 2>didn't come close to doing right exactly. And Iikman, you know,

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 2>the reason he gets involved is not that he is

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:32.440
<v Speaker 2>a major believer in this. It's that any new idea

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:34.880
<v Speaker 2>that comes through his office he tries to stick himself

0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 2>to because, like, you know, if it fails, he's not

0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.840
<v Speaker 2>the guy who instituted it, but if it succeeds, his

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:41.800
<v Speaker 2>name's attached to it.

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.880
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, yeah, it's good for him either way. He

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 3>doesn't lose anything, He only has things to gain. Right.

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:51.280
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen thirty nine, after the invasion of Poland, Iikman

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:54.319
<v Speaker 2>briefly championed a plan to remove Jewish people from newly

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:58.279
<v Speaker 2>conquered and absorbed territory to a reservation guarded by the

0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Nazis near Lublin. Thousands of people were forcibly transferred to

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 2>what became a ghetto before the plan was abandoned in

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.400
<v Speaker 2>the spring of nineteen forty. And this is they were

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.359
<v Speaker 2>very much looking at what the US government had done

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:11.000
<v Speaker 2>to Native Americans, and we're like, well, maybe we can

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:12.759
<v Speaker 2>do something like that with the Jews, right, maybe we

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 2>like we find a chunk of land that's like our

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma that we don't really want, and we put them

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:20.480
<v Speaker 2>all there and we just kind of like keep them

0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:25.360
<v Speaker 2>locked there. Right, that's the basic idea. And it's evidence

0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:28.440
<v Speaker 2>of you know again, how much of all of this

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 2>is based off of them looking at the United States

0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:33.319
<v Speaker 2>and being like, well, shit, this seems to be working

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 2>for them, right, Yeah, speaking of things that work for

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 2>us advertising.

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Wow, Yeah, this ad brought to you by the Oklahoma

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:45.240
<v Speaker 3>Tourism Board.

0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:50.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, Oklahoma, the lubland of America. Yes, sorry

0:44:50.920 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 2>to both Lovelin and to Oklahoma. So as the Second

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:05.320
<v Speaker 2>World War gets a movin and Germany blazes through France

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 2>and then starts tearing through big old chunks of western Russia,

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:10.799
<v Speaker 2>the fevered egos of men like Iikmen, who now feel

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:13.600
<v Speaker 2>like masters of the universe, gave a way to ever

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 2>more sweeping eliminationist concepts. In September of nineteen forty one,

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:21.879
<v Speaker 2>Iikman lobbied successfully to extend the definition of a Jew

0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 2>to include half Jews. Right. He had loud conflicts with

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:27.719
<v Speaker 2>those among the party who argued that people with just

0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:30.640
<v Speaker 2>one Jewish grandparents shouldn't count, or that Jews who converted

0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 2>to Christianity weren't Jewish. And Iikman is on the no, no, no,

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 2>it's all about the blood. Any drop of it is

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 2>somebody we got to get rid of, right.

0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:41.840
<v Speaker 3>Once again, taking it from the United States and the

0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 3>one drop.

0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:45.919
<v Speaker 2>The one drop rule. Right now, he moves from city

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:49.280
<v Speaker 2>to city, orchestrating the expulsion of one local Jewish population

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:53.600
<v Speaker 2>after the other. From Sizeken and Posen, he forces tens

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 2>of thousands of people into ghettos far from home. The

0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:59.320
<v Speaker 2>horror of forced resettlement earns him even more media attention,

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 2>and uses it in meetings with Jewish leaders in other

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 2>cities to say, hey, if you don't make sure your

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.239
<v Speaker 2>people leave when I tell them to leave and we

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 2>meet our immigration quotas, I can do to you what

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:12.520
<v Speaker 2>I did in Posen. Right, you read the news, right,

0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 2>that was all me, baby, Right, you got to do

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:17.359
<v Speaker 2>what I You know you don't want that here. By

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.440
<v Speaker 2>this point in forty one, the international press is increasingly

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 2>reporting on the violence and mass killing that had often

0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 2>followed such resettlement campaigns. Eikman's not always involved in these

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:29.839
<v Speaker 2>mass killings, and in these reasons, he's not doing all

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the resettlement. He's not the only guy doing this. Right,

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:35.759
<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of war crimes being committed in

0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 2>forty one, and he's not central to most of them.

0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 2>He's not running the Einset scrupin.

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.319
<v Speaker 3>Right on the Eastern Front, right, He's just the one

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:44.280
<v Speaker 3>that seems to be really comfortable putting his face on it, exactly.

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 2>And so he gets credit for a lot of massacres

0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.440
<v Speaker 2>in the foreign media that he was not involved with.

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.239
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes this was done out of pure habit right

0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:53.840
<v Speaker 2>where they would be like, oh, and Eikman must have

0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 2>ordered this, because he's the guy everyone knows is doing

0:46:56.800 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 2>stuff like this, right, And at the time, Eikman is

0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 2>proud to take the credit, right, He's like, yeah, absolutely,

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I'll take the blame for that share stolen valor. Once again,

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 2>he's stealing valor from even worse Nazis. Although yeah, maybe that.

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:13.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm stealing valor from Nazis so you can get a

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 3>discount at Nazi Chilis, right.

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's putting fake Nazi medals on is in the uniform.

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:20.839
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:23.360
<v Speaker 2>He is so proud of his reputation that when Heinrich

0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Himler announced an exhibition celebrating the mass resettlement campaign titled

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:30.840
<v Speaker 2>The Great Homecoming, which was essentially meant to be a

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:34.800
<v Speaker 2>big pr announcement for the opening of the Holocaust. Himmler

0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:37.240
<v Speaker 2>plans it with the goal of burnishing his own image

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>right Himler's plan is like, I want to be seen

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 2>as the guy who was responsible for this. But Aikman's like, hey, boss,

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 2>I should get like like a room in this big

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.360
<v Speaker 2>thing for like the stuff I've been doing, right, Like

0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:49.600
<v Speaker 2>you know I did good, didn't I shouldn't I get

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 2>like a whole room. That's just about what Iikman did

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:55.960
<v Speaker 2>to help with this resettlement campaign, and Himmler eventually agrees

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:58.520
<v Speaker 2>that he'll get a special haul in the exhibit to

0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:03.480
<v Speaker 2>share his achievement to the masses. Stengneth writes, the main

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.800
<v Speaker 2>welfare office for ethnic Germans objected, preferring to leave this

0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:10.320
<v Speaker 2>section out for fear of a negative public reaction. Pictures

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:13.240
<v Speaker 2>of happy new settlers were one thing, numbers and images

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.920
<v Speaker 2>of people who had been expelled were another. But Eichman's

0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 2>pressure was for nothing. The exhibition was postponed until June

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty one, and having viewed it, Himmler canceled it

0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:24.400
<v Speaker 2>at the last minute, putting off the experts who had

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:27.760
<v Speaker 2>provided the content until March nineteen forty two. The exhibition

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.160
<v Speaker 2>never took place, in part because the success that was

0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 2>hoped for was never achieved.

0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he didn't learn his lesson from Hydrake, like, yeah,

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:37.919
<v Speaker 3>you don't show people the shit that you're doing.

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:41.400
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, Iikeman's all in, Yeah, I want my

0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:43.440
<v Speaker 2>name in a whole room, and Himmler like sees the

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:47.400
<v Speaker 2>plans for this bragging about the early Holocaust party and

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 2>is like, I don't know, man, I don't think I

0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 2>want that shit out. I don't think I want my

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 2>name attached to this. Actually, but you made head.

0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:57.799
<v Speaker 3>You made Himmler uncomfortable, right right? Yeah.

0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 2>The only other thing that did that was Literalitz.

0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:01.200
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:05.640
<v Speaker 2>So the other reason this gets canceled is that by

0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 2>March of nineteen forty two, the Wehrmacht has gone through

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:11.680
<v Speaker 2>its first winter on the Eastern Front, and it's become

0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:14.200
<v Speaker 2>obvious to any intelligent Nazis that this is not going

0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 2>to be a quicker, easy war right now. I don't

0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:20.000
<v Speaker 2>think they're all aware that defeat is a foregone conclusion,

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 2>although they probably should have. But a fear starts to

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:25.839
<v Speaker 2>set in that both allides the desire to brag about

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:29.480
<v Speaker 2>what's being done, and introduces a growing sense of desperation

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:33.319
<v Speaker 2>to solve the Jewish questions sooner than later. In early

0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty one, Himmler had given orders to deport all

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:39.160
<v Speaker 2>remaining Berlin and Viennese Jews at the end of the war,

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 2>which was expected imminently. By October, it was clear that

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.560
<v Speaker 2>this would not be the case, and the growing desperation

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 2>of the Eastern Front acted as a justification for more

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:52.920
<v Speaker 2>extreme acts of violence. As revenge, a new deportation campaign

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 2>was executed in Berlin by the SD. A Swedish newspaper

0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:59.400
<v Speaker 2>at the time, described the campaign began on the night

0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:01.959
<v Speaker 2>of October si seventeenth. People were pulled from their beds

0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:03.920
<v Speaker 2>by the SS in order to get dressed and pack

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 2>a suitcase. Then they were immediately taken away, their apartment

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 2>sealed and everything in them confiscated. Those who had been

0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:13.319
<v Speaker 2>arrested were taken to railroad freight depots and ruined synagogues

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:16.399
<v Speaker 2>and transported east on October nineteenth. They were all old

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.239
<v Speaker 2>men between fifty and eighty, women and children. They will

0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:21.719
<v Speaker 2>be used for useful work in the East, which means

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:24.719
<v Speaker 2>drying out the Rokeitino marshes, the work will be done

0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:27.280
<v Speaker 2>during the Russian winter by old men, women and children,

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:29.520
<v Speaker 2>and the clothes in which they were arrested. There can

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.839
<v Speaker 2>now be no doubt that this campaign is premeditated mass murder.

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 2>The campaign leader is SS Group and Feuer Aikman, and

0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:40.640
<v Speaker 2>we see in this from the switchpaper a great example

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:44.360
<v Speaker 2>of the half accurate reporting. Right, the broad strokes of

0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:47.880
<v Speaker 2>the deportation are correct. Aikman is involved in it, but

0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:50.800
<v Speaker 2>he's not running it. He's not the campaign leader of

0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:53.520
<v Speaker 2>the program. And he's also not a group in fewer

0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:56.880
<v Speaker 2>right that ranked roughly equivalents to lieutenant general, and he

0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:01.839
<v Speaker 2>never reaches that high. So Stenge suspects that he gets

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 2>given this rank by the press because they can't imagine

0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:07.200
<v Speaker 2>someone they've heard about so much as anything but like

0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:10.240
<v Speaker 2>a central spoke to the Nazi party, right, Like he's.

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:12.360
<v Speaker 3>Well connected, hanger on.

0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:14.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think his I think his actual rank

0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:16.759
<v Speaker 2>is close to like a major captive, but like that's

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:18.960
<v Speaker 2>just not high enough. We gotta bump it up, right,

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.719
<v Speaker 2>otherwise he's not going to seem as central as we've

0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:22.640
<v Speaker 2>decided he is.

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:25.800
<v Speaker 3>I think it also owes to a lot of modern

0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:30.320
<v Speaker 3>misunderstandings of how the Nazi government and the infrastructure worked.

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:35.600
<v Speaker 3>Where everyone likes to say that or believe rather that

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 3>it all function a certain kind of way because you know,

0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Germans are just very efficient, and you know, it was

0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:43.920
<v Speaker 3>a militarist culture so had to be run this way.

0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:46.399
<v Speaker 3>Blah blah blah blah. No, it was just a bunch

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:50.840
<v Speaker 3>of weird connected barnacles. Ranks were involved, but they're mostly

0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:56.480
<v Speaker 3>just window dressing for people wearing incredibly overdone uniforms. Right,

0:51:56.760 --> 0:51:58.160
<v Speaker 3>but it really didn't matter.

0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, what matters most is your connection, like who

0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:05.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, right, yeah, yeah, which is you know the

0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:08.400
<v Speaker 2>case with all authoritarian organizations like this.

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:12.759
<v Speaker 2>Now, alongside the German invasion of Russia, the Indsets group

0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:15.360
<v Speaker 2>and had started carrying out the first mass killings of

0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Jews of what would come to be known as the Holocaust.

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Eichmann has nothing to do with organizing this part of it.

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:23.040
<v Speaker 2>But it becomes rapidly clear that just shooting millions of

0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:26.680
<v Speaker 2>people is not practical. Right, there's a number. First off,

0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:29.880
<v Speaker 2>bullets are going to be a problem for Germany, right,

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Like they don't have enough of anything, let alone bullets.

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Second problem, this kind of destroys your elite troops, which

0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:39.799
<v Speaker 2>is what they're using. Like they're using guys who are

0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 2>like would be usable as fighters and shooting babies all day,

0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:46.840
<v Speaker 2>even for guys who suck as much as the Insets

0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 2>group it does. It just kind of ruins human beings right,

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Like they're not able to handle it for a long Yeah,

0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:56.440
<v Speaker 2>they all start killing each other. Drinking, Yeah, yeah, drinking

0:52:56.600 --> 0:53:00.080
<v Speaker 2>is a major problem. And so they start experimenting with

0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:03.200
<v Speaker 2>other ways. And one place they start experimenting is with

0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:05.560
<v Speaker 2>the use of gas fans at a place called Helm

0:53:06.080 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 2>And in that summer of like nineteen forty two, Iikman

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.239
<v Speaker 2>travels to the east to or of nineteen forty one, sorry,

0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:14.879
<v Speaker 2>in the summer forty one, Iikman travels to the East

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:17.960
<v Speaker 2>to observe the process these first gas fans in use.

0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:20.360
<v Speaker 2>He spends that summer and the later part of the

0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 2>year and what becomes a fact finding mission for the

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Vonse Conference in early nineteen forty two, which is the

0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:27.279
<v Speaker 2>meeting where the Nazis are going to lay out their

0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:30.000
<v Speaker 2>plan for the final solution. So Heidrich basically has him

0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:33.520
<v Speaker 2>being like, hey, the East is our laboratory for killing Jews.

0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:35.760
<v Speaker 2>I want you to talk to the folks doing the shooting,

0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:38.319
<v Speaker 2>go see some of these gas fans and how they work,

0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:41.759
<v Speaker 2>and come back to us with information on the best

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:43.680
<v Speaker 2>way to kill a lot of people at scale, because

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:47.200
<v Speaker 2>we're going to start next year ramping up the actual

0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:50.839
<v Speaker 2>extermination of all of these Jews that we've gotten hold

0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:52.400
<v Speaker 2>of in the parts of Europe we've conquered.

0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:55.840
<v Speaker 3>He puts them in charge of the Holocaust soft launch.

0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, right, Yeah, And he's largely he's like fact finding, right,

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:02.360
<v Speaker 2>so that we can we need to know how quickly

0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:04.920
<v Speaker 2>can you guess people, how much does it take? What

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:06.800
<v Speaker 2>are the best kinds of guess what we need to

0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:08.560
<v Speaker 2>know to start constructing these camps?

0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:08.759
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Iikman is going to be a big part of getting

0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:14.520
<v Speaker 2>that information right. And again you see both he's not

0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:17.440
<v Speaker 2>what he claims. He's not leading this. Iikman didn't make

0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 2>the call to do a holocaust, but he's the guy

0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 2>who's respected intellectually as an expert, and when it becomes

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:25.040
<v Speaker 2>clear we're going to do a holocaust, they go to

0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:26.800
<v Speaker 2>him and are like, hey, it off, we got a

0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:28.480
<v Speaker 2>job for you. We get a guy for that, need

0:54:28.560 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 2>you to gather some info you're good at that, right,

0:54:30.719 --> 0:54:32.920
<v Speaker 2>You're good at gathering information. Come help us with this.

0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:35.640
<v Speaker 3>Everybody's sitting around the office. We need to build how

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.840
<v Speaker 3>many camps? I got a guy for that.

0:54:39.000 --> 0:54:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Give me my camp guy, Yeah, give me my camp guy.

0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:42.879
<v Speaker 2>Bring an old ike.

0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we sent him to concentration camp, night school. He

0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:48.040
<v Speaker 3>should know how to do this.

0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:51.799
<v Speaker 2>He's probably good at this by now. And yeah, well

0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:55.919
<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about that and more in part three. Joe,

0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:56.800
<v Speaker 2>how are you feeling?

0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Just wonderful? Robert, Yeah, absolutely wonderful. I set myself up

0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:04.160
<v Speaker 3>for failure for this one because I came to this

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:06.759
<v Speaker 3>Like last time I was on here, we talked about

0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 3>Lorenzi Berrier for four hours. What could you do? That's

0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:12.719
<v Speaker 3>worse than that? And you've showed me, You've showed me

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:13.359
<v Speaker 3>real good.

0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep.

0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:17.000
<v Speaker 3>I've been hoisted by my own petard.

0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:20.920
<v Speaker 2>We all love our patards. Are we allowed to say

0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:24.040
<v Speaker 2>petard anymore? I don't know. You can't say the hard

0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:33.960
<v Speaker 2>p you can't say the art fe It just sounds wrong. Great,

0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:39.719
<v Speaker 2>all right, everybody, this has been behind the Bastards a podcast. Joe,

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:40.799
<v Speaker 2>do you have anything you want to plug?

0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I am the host of the lines of My

0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:48.439
<v Speaker 3>Donkey's podcast. We talked about history, military history, genocide, you know, fun,

0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:50.440
<v Speaker 3>lighthearted stuff like that. If you want to hear more

0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:53.360
<v Speaker 3>about the Eastern Front in winter, we talked about the

0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:59.080
<v Speaker 3>Battle of Stalingrad for I believe five hours, so you

0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:00.880
<v Speaker 3>can go listen to that series and we do all

0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:01.880
<v Speaker 3>sorts of stuff like that.

0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic, excellent, All right, well, everybody, Bye bye.

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