WEBVTT - What's a brownfield remediation project?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Josh Clark. Guess who's with me? And I'm Chuck Bryant.

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<v Speaker 1>can we get on with this. Let's do this. Chuck, Hey, Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>what's a brown field? That's so funny? You should ask Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what a brownfield is, and it's even the

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<v Speaker 1>name of this podcast, so I will tell you as follows. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>a brown field is UM any abandoned industrial site, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>A old dry cleaner's, an old gas station, any place

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<v Speaker 1>where there's a potential for a local environmental contamination, but

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<v Speaker 1>which necessarily proven to have contamination. Right, it can just

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<v Speaker 1>be it can just be, uh, something that looks like it,

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<v Speaker 1>or someone might suspect, um if there was a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of chemicals there at one point in time, um or

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<v Speaker 1>over the years consistently, somebody could reasonably say, I'll bet

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<v Speaker 1>that place is contaminated, which is not to be confused

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<v Speaker 1>with a super fund. Really, you bust the super fund

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<v Speaker 1>out this early. Let me redack that statement, now, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead. Well, super Fun, Absolutely, it's contaminated. It is

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<v Speaker 1>with serious, serious hazardous waste. Um. And actually I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking around on the e p AS website because you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's what I do. And um, there's several super

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<v Speaker 1>Fun sites slated for cleanup in Georgia, but I came

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<v Speaker 1>across one that I knew you'd be particularly interested in.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit me your house, so I'm kidding. Um, there's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Robin's Air Force Base in Houston County. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little north of here. Um, I is Houston County

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<v Speaker 1>north of here? Okay, Well, anyway, Robin's Air Force Base

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<v Speaker 1>is up there, and um, they have an old sludge

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<v Speaker 1>pond and in the sixties and seventies, they said, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, we've got these old cans of paint, throw

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<v Speaker 1>them in the sludge pond. We have like all this trash,

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<v Speaker 1>throw it in the sludge pod. So they kept throwing

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in the sludge, old tires, and then finally, once

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies rolled around and there was such thing as

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<v Speaker 1>the E p A and Earth Day and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>the Air Force and covered it up with five ft

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<v Speaker 1>of loam. What's that It's like sandy silt, like real

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<v Speaker 1>thick sand. So they made a beach. They just covered

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<v Speaker 1>it over right, which actually again like yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a stupid thing to do, um, and now it's a

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<v Speaker 1>super fun site to clean up all the loam in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to everything else. Here's here's where it gets interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Why I think you'd be interested in it? And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a little sense just kind of crammed in there.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, yeah, there's like old chemical waste, there's

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<v Speaker 1>old material waste, and also there's unexploded ordinance and agent orange.

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<v Speaker 1>Really and there's agent orange and a sludge pond on

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<v Speaker 1>Robin's Air Force basis. So this stuff was left over

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<v Speaker 1>from Vietnam and they just dumped it there probably, yeah, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so it's super fun sited a place where

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<v Speaker 1>there's agent orange under five feet of loam, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's seeping into the groundwater all that. Yeah, But like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, these have been clearly identified. The government knows

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<v Speaker 1>about them. They're doing their best to clean it up. Um. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that last part is true, but

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<v Speaker 1>they know about them, and at the very least they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to the trouble of identifying them. Right. But a

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<v Speaker 1>brown feels different. Like you said, it's a it's potentially contaminated,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be contaminated. It's still a brown field, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not so contaminated or the materials that are that

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<v Speaker 1>have contaminated it are so dangerous that you can't use

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<v Speaker 1>the site. Again. Well, now, in fact, quite the opposite,

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to encourage the use of these sites. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually, Chuck, what what makes brown feel so interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to me? Is there not just like an environmental hazard,

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<v Speaker 1>they're an economic hazard as well, because usually, like let's say, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know we've talked about urban exploration before, right, there's

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<v Speaker 1>all these old like abandoned industrial sites or something like that. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're just sitting there there being left or rot

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<v Speaker 1>their derelict because no one wants to do anything with them.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why is because there's so much potential liability. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say you or I got a wild hair and

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to invest in a new mixed use development.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds good, So we buy some old industrial site kind

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<v Speaker 1>of on the edge of town. Heck, in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of town, right Atlantic Steel here in Atlanta. Yeah, Atlantic

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<v Speaker 1>Station was a brownfield redevelopment remediation site. Um. So, so

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<v Speaker 1>we buy this thing. Everything's hunky dory, and um we're

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<v Speaker 1>starting to get some business. We've got some ten it's

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<v Speaker 1>in our buildings. There's people walking their dogs. I see

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<v Speaker 1>some guy flying a kite. There's a cute little girl

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<v Speaker 1>with bows in her hair. She looks like she's going

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<v Speaker 1>to the gap for the first time ever and pretty

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<v Speaker 1>excited about it. Right. So uh and then bam, out

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<v Speaker 1>of nowhere, somebody finds out that the groundwater under our

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<v Speaker 1>site is contaminated old petroleum investors pull out, buddy, you

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<v Speaker 1>better hope we have investors soon. Where at this point, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if if it's all our money sunk into it, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not only are we getting Um, you know sued, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna lose all of our tenants were in big trouble, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why people stay away from brownfield sites. But

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<v Speaker 1>if we remediate brownfield sites, and we'll get into remediation

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<v Speaker 1>in a second, if we if we remediate brownfield sites,

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<v Speaker 1>not only do these old, you know, hulking, rotting derelic

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<v Speaker 1>places get rebuilt, which is bad for urban explorers, but

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<v Speaker 1>good for everybody else. It actually saves virgin tracts of land, woodland,

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<v Speaker 1>other areas. It keeps green space out there. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to develop green space exactly because we're reusing land

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<v Speaker 1>rather than just abandoning, right. And that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>great things about brown field areas is that it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's not, like you said, completely untouched. So what you've

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<v Speaker 1>got probably in place of some infrastructure. You have waterlines,

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<v Speaker 1>you have gas lines and stuff like that, any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of line, any kind ofline, So, uh, that's awesome. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not as expensive. No, it's not. In theory. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to lay down that new infrastructure. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to lay the pipe, so to speak. That's exactly right, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>The infrastructure is already their pipes and all, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how many brown fields are in the United States estimated?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear it, four hundred and fifty thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of brown field site, it is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of real estate it is. And um,

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<v Speaker 1>what you were saying before that the fact that there's

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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure there, there's buildings there. This makes brown field site

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<v Speaker 1>it's real property, right And well that yeah, it means

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<v Speaker 1>you get whatever is on the property. The buildings are yours,

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<v Speaker 1>the mineral rights yours, it's all there for the taking. Okay, So,

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<v Speaker 1>but if there's so much liability attached, right, how how

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<v Speaker 1>do you overcome this kind of thing? Well, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you mean, like, how do you clean it up? Well? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like, how do you attract people to brown

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<v Speaker 1>field sites rather than you know, have them go cut

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<v Speaker 1>down a bunch of trees and just build on land

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't have to worry about is contaminated. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one way is with incentives, government incentives. And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of them, aren't they huns dude, Yeah, it's happening

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. Let's hear about them. Well. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to the news section of Google to find out

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<v Speaker 1>like the latest breaking news and they were literally a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen stories on brownfield remediation, like this week, it's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>picking up all over the place. And this is I

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<v Speaker 1>should say. Brown field remediation has been like a viable alternative,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least a government backed alternative, since I think

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<v Speaker 1>the early to mid nineties. That's the impression I have you. Yes, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Texas is getting two point two million dollars worth of

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<v Speaker 1>funds nice to UH to remediate some of these brownfield

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<v Speaker 1>from the Feds. Baal the more is has potentially more

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<v Speaker 1>than one thousand contaminated properties. I can believe that. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to Baltimore recently and I Hey, Baltimore, shouts out,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can believe it. Okay, we love you, but boy,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like one big brownfield. And actually they have

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<v Speaker 1>this place remember Buckhead, And sort of I wasn't one

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<v Speaker 1>big Buckhead guy, but yeah, they have a place there

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<v Speaker 1>that is Buckhead. It's like a time machine. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>the power Station Live and it looks like a remediated

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<v Speaker 1>brownfield site. And it's crazy. It's like everybody just finished

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<v Speaker 1>watching the most recent episode of France. It's a Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>night and now they're going out. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 1>getting back to the different projects, Maine is getting about

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<v Speaker 1>six point one million bucks. I don't know much about

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<v Speaker 1>mains brownfield situation. Well it's probably nicer looking, I would guess,

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<v Speaker 1>but six point one million that's a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>considering Baltimore is only getting about four hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's the that's the problem with the allow

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<v Speaker 1>one a half trillion dollars. Six million dollars seems like

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<v Speaker 1>peanuts these days, it does, you know. Yeah, uh so Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>Actually it's happening right here to Governor Perdue has signed

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<v Speaker 1>a bill which UM is going to help clean up

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred polluted sits here in our own states. That's awesome. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a friend that works in hazardous waste clean

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<v Speaker 1>up really. Yeah. He worked at Atlantic Station and when

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<v Speaker 1>there's like a train derailment and spilled hazardous chemicals, he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's manages the site. A train derail to my neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>once when I was younger, but it just spilled grain.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he practiced, well, I don't know, they usually kind

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<v Speaker 1>of clean up any kind of derailment. Okay, Yeah, cool

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<v Speaker 1>stuff though, Yeah, that is very cool. So, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>you were saying, there's a bunch of incentive programs. You're

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about the FEDS doling out money. Big time.

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<v Speaker 1>States stole out money too. And one of the ways

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<v Speaker 1>that they do it that's almost specifically for remediation projects

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<v Speaker 1>and and reuse projects is a text increment financing. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you heard about this? Yeah, go ahead, Okay. So basically

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<v Speaker 1>what the government does is, let's say it's a local

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<v Speaker 1>or state government. Um, they say, you know what, if

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<v Speaker 1>you remediate the site and you turn it into a

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<v Speaker 1>big mixed use development, all the area around it, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's successful, is going to start attracting businesses. The real

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<v Speaker 1>estate values around this area are going to go up.

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<v Speaker 1>If the real estate values go up and all these

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<v Speaker 1>businesses and condos and all that stuff goes out to um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to start as a government, we're gonna start

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<v Speaker 1>making more money off of it's gonna increase our tax base.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to help fund your brown field remediation

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<v Speaker 1>and reuse project by giving you money based on what

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<v Speaker 1>we think we can make in the future. Because you're

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<v Speaker 1>raising the tax value of the real estate in the area.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very cool idea. Well, and also they also

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<v Speaker 1>give tax breaks UH to people that are doing this

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<v Speaker 1>right sure for the cost of the cleanup, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're practically giving I think we should look into getting

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<v Speaker 1>a brown field together. Seriously, we can build that gap.

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<v Speaker 1>We can if we you know, we need some dough

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, not a bad idea. So Chuck, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you remediate a brownfield? Well, the first thing you gotta do,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend, is go out to the site, conduct an

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<v Speaker 1>assessment from from some soil samples, look at what you're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get those tested, see what you're looking at,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing just how contaminated it is, and um confirm what's

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<v Speaker 1>there what's not there. And the e p A UH

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<v Speaker 1>says that nearly one third of these sites are contamination free.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's awesome. If you get lucky and picked the

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<v Speaker 1>right site, your your gold and UM. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>huge process involved, and there's actually a huge I guess

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<v Speaker 1>sub construction industry probably related very closely to the demolition

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<v Speaker 1>industry UM that is engaged in remediating sites. And it

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<v Speaker 1>is huge, massive work depending on how, if if the

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<v Speaker 1>area is contaminated and what the pollutant is. Right, because

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember when we did our webcast and were

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was last week or whatever we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about now is this week? Everything's blending together these days. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about, um, the lost nuclear bombs, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>missing bomb, and we're saying in Florence, South Carolina. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a sizeable chunk of Florence, South Carolina that's now in Savannah.

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<v Speaker 1>What they did was remediate that site, right because the

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<v Speaker 1>bomb exploded, the T and T exploded, not the actual

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear part of it, thank goodness, but it was still

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<v Speaker 1>spewed contaminated metal and stuff all over the place, so

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<v Speaker 1>they scooped it up and shipped it to Savannah. That's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly right. Um. So removing soil, contaminated soil, just actually

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<v Speaker 1>physically getting it out of there and storing it in

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<v Speaker 1>a safe place. That's remediation. UM. A lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>the water is tainted, so you have to remediate that.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually there's some pretty cool bacteria out there that

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<v Speaker 1>actually eat petroleum and converted into like harmless compounds. That's awesome. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's all sorts of water treatment UM equipment that

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<v Speaker 1>you run it through and like this bacteria just eats

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff and spits green water out the other end,

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<v Speaker 1>you can plant vegetation. Certain vegetation will suck out the

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<v Speaker 1>chemicals from the ground. Trees actually, especially a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>invasive species of trees planted in a in a brown

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<v Speaker 1>field area will just suck it up and then you

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<v Speaker 1>just remove the trees. Right, And they did say they

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that covering it up can work to which was

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<v Speaker 1>what you're talking about the loan, but clearly not. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't cover up everything, you know, right, it depends on

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. And also, UM, the the the E

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<v Speaker 1>p A is starting to really kind of encourage green

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<v Speaker 1>brownfield remediation. Not your mind, that's actually yeah, that's totally different.

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<v Speaker 1>Green brown field remediation is basically remediation practices that we're

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<v Speaker 1>already using. But say throwing um some windmills on the

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<v Speaker 1>site to power the equipment you're using, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>the the equipment that that UM that remediates the water

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<v Speaker 1>or decontaminates the water uses up a lot of energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not power with windmill or solar or something like that. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to use alternative fuels on the heavy machinery that

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<v Speaker 1>you're removing the top soil with stuff like that. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a there's a lot going on, and I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>tell you where it was six billion people. Agriculture has

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<v Speaker 1>a carrying capacity of ten billion people. We're coming up

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<v Speaker 1>on that. I think some some predictions. Land is important,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very important. We we need to start reusing it

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<v Speaker 1>rather than just you know, we are just such a

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<v Speaker 1>wasteful consumer, disposable society species even yeah, like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>an old gas station, Let's build a new one across street.

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<v Speaker 1>Just let that one sit there. Yeah, And actually I

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<v Speaker 1>used to work in a town in a county down

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<v Speaker 1>south of here, and the mayor's brother owned a gas

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<v Speaker 1>station and he sold it to the city. Well it

0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.680
<v Speaker 1>turned out that the city, uh found out that there

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<v Speaker 1>was a h an underground storage tank for the gas

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<v Speaker 1>that had leaked and the the soil was contaminated, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was that. Nothing ever came of it. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>quite a few. I've seen some abandoned gas stations around

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<v Speaker 1>the Decatur. They've been there for years, like Kadzus swamped

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, because no what he can do anything. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully you know this this is changing, or I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>say no one can do anything with it. That kind

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<v Speaker 1>of contradicts our entire podcast. Right, let me say people

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<v Speaker 1>are afraid that they're not gonna be able to do

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<v Speaker 1>anything with that, right, But there's a lot of incentives,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of tax breaks, and a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>being told out. So if you're a developer, man, I say,

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<v Speaker 1>get on it. Yeah, I think we should get on

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<v Speaker 1>it too, right after Chuck, since we have nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>plug listener mail? Right, are we? There? Is that your setup?

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<v Speaker 1>That was it? Beautiful listener mail time? Josh Today, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna call this, uh, scary dreams of an impressionable

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen year old girl. Awesome fan man. So Shelby, who

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<v Speaker 1>says she's an impressionable fifteen year old girl wrote us.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, guys, you have scared me out of my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I had an extremely vivid nightmare last night, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had way too much in common with your podcast. I

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<v Speaker 1>was a victim of a second holocaust in her dream,

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<v Speaker 1>just her. I think you have to have more than

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<v Speaker 1>one person for a holocaust. We'll give her break. She's fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>The Disney Corporation was behind it, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what their goal was and killing millions of people anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>They started mass producing propaganda films and we're aiming to

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<v Speaker 1>rule the world and established Disneyism as a mandatory global religion.

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<v Speaker 1>So I might say that's happening for real. I was

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<v Speaker 1>in a very large movie theater with one such film

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<v Speaker 1>being played, and at the end, a Disney rep announced

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<v Speaker 1>that the entire audience was going to die. The rest

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<v Speaker 1>of my dream consisted of me dodging bullets being fired

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<v Speaker 1>at me by various mascots inside of and doing forced

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<v Speaker 1>labor making parts for the Disneyland trains, which brought new

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<v Speaker 1>prisoners from the parking lot, and working on the Disneyland Railroad.

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<v Speaker 1>Savage beatings abounded. Awesome, This is so cool. All prisoners

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<v Speaker 1>had to be stamped on the forehead with one of

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<v Speaker 1>those re entry stamps, like they that smell like lemons,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the amusement park. My number was D

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<v Speaker 1>three one seven four nine. I can't believe she remembers

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<v Speaker 1>on this well, the gates of the entrance of the

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<v Speaker 1>park read work makes you the Happiest person on Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>and the statue of Alt Disney standing next to Mickey

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<v Speaker 1>Man else was replaced with one of Mickey Mouse and Hitler.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe this girl's fifteen, poor thing at the

0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.280
<v Speaker 1>end the park camp was liberated, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>by who or who. But that's not the point. The

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<v Speaker 1>point is that I spontaneously had this nightmare with all

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<v Speaker 1>of these details similar to your podcast before even in

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<v Speaker 1>the title of it. That really creeps me out. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>keep listening anyway. So what was your name again? Shelby? Shelby,

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<v Speaker 1>you have one of the more fertile imaginations I've ever encountered.

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<v Speaker 1>Camp I left beautiful. I'm sorry you were terrified, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna go places right now. At the Disney Corporation,

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<v Speaker 1>here's just they're thinking, we need to find the Shelbys here.

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<v Speaker 1>To us, it's like Italy here it is. So if

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