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Speaker 2: Home that for me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: Edith State is that woo woom? And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: name is ty Hildebrand, joining me as always over there

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Speaker 2: in Chicagoland.

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Speaker 1: The one and only Dan Rubens's sir, how you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good, Tye, And I know you're probably gonna

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Speaker 1: answer this question with like a Simone Biles, Gabby Douglas,

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Speaker 1: Sean Johnson. But I want to get even more specific

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Speaker 1: about the greatest American gymnasts. Okay, how many of nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety six is man magnificent seven gold minning, gold winning

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Speaker 1: American women's gymnastics squad? Can you name? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that was ninety six? That was the Atlanta Olympics, right,

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Speaker 2: that's correct?

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Speaker 1: Yep, uh huh? So was that the Carrie Strug? That

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Speaker 1: Strug was one of them?

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Speaker 2: Shannon Miller dominic much most she I can't say her name?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, another dominic Dominique Dawes. Do we see? Does

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Speaker 1: I think that's good? You did I'm seeing you said

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Speaker 1: Miller does Strug Moscianu. Those are the heavyweights in terms

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Speaker 1: of fame. And you remember the coach's name, of course,

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Speaker 1: yeah that was oh gosh, you sing the mustache the Grays, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's his name? Tell me his name, Bella Corroll. That's it, right, gotcha?

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Speaker 1: So just out and out, amazing squad, but with an

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Speaker 1: to Carrie Strug right, that that is correct? On the vault,

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Speaker 1: big dramatic. I believe vault is correct. What did she

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Speaker 1: have to do in order to secure the gold after

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Speaker 1: she went up in the air tie? She had to

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Speaker 1: stick the landing? Stick the landing Saturday? That's right. I

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Speaker 1: love that, Oh, I love that. It's so good. The

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Speaker 1: landing Saturday, Tucson, Arizona's pride and joy. Carrie Strog nailed it.

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Speaker 1: I hope she has not gone on to do something

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Speaker 1: terrible for humanity. I have not dug deep but stick

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Speaker 1: the landing Saturday. Because across the board, especially as we

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Speaker 1: look at conference championship games, we have Notre Dame looking

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Speaker 1: as strong as they have in recent memory, beating Clemson

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Speaker 1: at home, looking dominant in that fourth quarter against North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: But it's all for not. Perhaps if they can't stick

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Speaker 1: the landing, stick the landing. You gotta stick the landing

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Speaker 1: five and oh. Have they gotten to five and oh

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Speaker 1: in pretty fashion? Nope, they have not. But they can

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Speaker 1: stick a landing by winning the Pac twelve. Absolutely they can.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma slow start, Spencer Ratler got better, the return of

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Speaker 1: a couple key players from suspension, looked far stronger than

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Speaker 1: they did early on, including that lost Iowa State. What

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Speaker 1: can they do by winning the Big twelve?

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Speaker 2: They can stick the landing, Dan, As I think where

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Speaker 2: you're going with this.

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Speaker 1: They can stick that landing. Clemson COVID issues loss of

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Sure they lose that Notre Dame. They come

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Speaker 1: on strong, They demolish Pit, they beat Virginia Tech. Eventually

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Speaker 1: all for not. If they lose twice and perhaps don't

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs, what do they need to do. They

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Speaker 1: got to stick the landing, Dan, That's what they have

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Speaker 1: to do. They have to stick to Alabama only one scare.

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Speaker 1: Defense gets better. They look like the most complete team

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Speaker 1: in America by a long shot. But you lose to

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Speaker 1: Florida you lose the SEC. What don't you do, ty?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're going to beat Florida, but

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Speaker 2: they can at least have stick the landing and they'll

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Speaker 2: be fine if they lose.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're fine. I mean, they might

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Speaker 1: we've got countless games to get through here. It is

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Speaker 1: conference championship week, which, believe it or not, we made

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Speaker 1: it sixteen weeks into this college football season. We made

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Speaker 1: fourteen more stick the landing comparison.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's still weird, even though it's the last week

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Speaker 2: How that's sort of falling off the back of a truck,

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Speaker 2: at least for one team. We've got news of hirings

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Speaker 1: If you can believe that, Dan, I never say an

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Speaker 2: where do we want to start here? Do we want

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Speaker 2: to start with Gus Malson finally getting fired?

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Speaker 1: I think we should. Yeah. Probably.

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Speaker 2: This was kind of the big story in college football.

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Speaker 2: Outside of guys entering the transfer portal and the old

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Speaker 2: we had some other moves in the coaching world. Tom

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Speaker 2: Virginia Tech. He is being retained. No such luck for

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Speaker 2: Gus Malson, who finally met his demise at Auburn. I

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Speaker 2: don't mean that per se. It's just we constantly have

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Speaker 2: heard the footsteps of like the Auburn Brass coming for

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Speaker 2: if that finally happened. So he's owed a pretty hefty

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Speaker 2: buy out for what I understand, And I've heard some

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Speaker 1: How you feel? Huge job comes with a number of

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Speaker 1: it's I mean, an enormous job with huge resources and

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Speaker 1: a recent history of high levels of success. They won

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Speaker 1: They've had some sensational players, big NFL draft picks, but

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Speaker 1: remember for his absolutely disastrous run as a head coach

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Speaker 1: With stops recently all over the South, especially the SEC, Alabama, LSU, Clemson,

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Speaker 1: Those are the ones that have commanded the most attention

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Speaker 1: have Matt Campbell and Billy Napier and all sorts of

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts, Ah, I'm curious to see which

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Speaker 1: But it's a great job.

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Speaker 2: A lot of complexities to it, not the least of

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Speaker 2: which is being in the SEC West, where everybody subsequently

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Speaker 1: I have heard his.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm curious to see how things go for

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Speaker 2: in a different direction, because look, we've been talking about

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Speaker 2: was really the charm of mails On for all those

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Speaker 1: Just has mails On offense just has not a Beebe Palmer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on ahead. I mean other names.

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Speaker 1: I mean the sark I mean the Hugh Freeze name

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Speaker 1: you know, people can get over whatever. You know. Victimless

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Speaker 1: Because well, Okay, so I like I like watch Oregon,

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Speaker 1: I think it still depends on what the Trojans look

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Speaker 1: Yes to the Pac twelve game. What about the Dr

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Speaker 2: Dan, Doctor Pepper back in the saddle for another big sponsorship.

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Speaker 2: Here the Big twelve Championship game. They play this one

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Speaker 2: They are squaring off against the Oklahoma Sooners Oklahoma seven

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Speaker 2: and two overall, and again they lost to Iowa State

431
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Speaker 2: the first time, but now they're about a five and

432
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Speaker 2: a half point favorite as they play this one Saturday

433
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Speaker 2: at high noon on ABC. So if we harken back

434
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Speaker 2: to that matchup, a huge win, a back and forth

435
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: game for the Clones. Breest Hall ran in a touchdown late,

436
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 2: and then they picked off Spencer Rattler on a long

437
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: throw into double coverage in the end zone with about

438
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Speaker 2: yep a minute left or so, and that's what sealed

439
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Speaker 2: the deal for Matt Campbell and Iowa State. Iowa State

440
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: also beat Texas a couple of weeks ago, So you

441
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Speaker 2: want to talk about a monster season, doesn't even matter

442
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Speaker 2: what happens in this game.

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Speaker 1: Monster season.

444
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Speaker 2: Beating both Oklahoma and Texas in the same year, big, big,

445
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Speaker 2: big deal for Matt Campbell part of why he comes

446
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Speaker 2: up in relation to jobs like Auburn.

447
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I talked to Bill Connolly.

448
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Speaker 2: Last Friday about Iowa State and about Oklahoma. He is

449
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: all in on Oklahoma being like the fifth best team

450
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Speaker 2: in the country right now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and the deeper you look, the numbers are there.

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Speaker 2: They've been really, really good since that Texas game in

453
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Speaker 2: mid October. And I'll just come back to this because

454
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Speaker 2: I think it needs to be repeated. The Oklahoma defense

455
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: has improved too early on. I'm making like, oh, this

456
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: is a stoopsy and defense shokes haha. I'm not going

457
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: to pretend the schedule didn't get easier.

458
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Speaker 1: It did.

459
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Speaker 2: But the numbers are good. The numbers are good. They

460
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Speaker 2: look like they've gotten much better. I think they're dealing

461
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: with like a full squad now. They had some guys

462
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Speaker 2: who weren't playing early. That part has worked itself out.

463
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Speaker 2: And the conflict for me is that I so so

464
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Speaker 2: badly want to pick Iowa State here because just the

465
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: quality of that story and storyline and all the characters

466
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Speaker 2: involved on the Iowa State side, it's so appealing as

467
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Speaker 2: a college football fan. I just can't get best to

468
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Speaker 2: the fact that I think Oklahoma is a better football

469
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Speaker 2: team and I think I have to pick Oklahoma to win.

470
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Speaker 2: I'm just grappling with what I do in relation to

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Speaker 2: the points.

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Speaker 1: Spread, which once again five in his five and a

473
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Speaker 1: half points Oklahoma. The favorite first game was in It

474
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Speaker 1: was not a monsoon, but it was rainy, and Spencer

475
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: Rattler on the road actually made a few throws more

476
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Speaker 1: than a few throws and had a couple of big

477
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Speaker 1: throws dropped that could have been touchdowns or gotten the

478
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Speaker 1: ball down to the one. Iowa State looked very good

479
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: in that game, but certainly, you know, they had the

480
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Speaker 1: long kick return, some unsustainable things to set up touchdowns.

481
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Speaker 1: I would say, well, in that game period, they were

482
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Speaker 1: very very good and it was an incredible win. And

483
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're wearing the all black uniforms again,

484
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Speaker 1: I know they're very very good in those. Oklahoma since

485
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Speaker 1: the return of Vermandre Stevenson on the ground, I believe

486
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: he was really good against Oklahoma State, less so against Baylor.

487
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: Ronnie Perkins has been a pass rushing terror. Since he

488
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: has returned both from suspension, Oklahoma has looked so much

489
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: better on both sides of the ball with just you know,

490
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Speaker 1: those two guys returning some more comfort in their systems

491
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: and more comfort for Spencer Rattler. I think Oklahoma is

492
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: the better team. I don't think Oklahoma has the killers

493
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: that they've had in recent years, which I think brings

494
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: these two teams closer together. I really like Iowa State

495
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: on defense. They can get to the quarterback without bringing

496
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: a lot of a number of dudes like they did

497
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Speaker 1: to Spencer Ratler the first time they played. I think

498
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: right now there's more to like about and I love

499
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: this matchup. The Lincoln Riley was it John Haycock, the

500
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Hecock Haycock for Iowa State running that unorthodox

501
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: three three five that's been crazy effective and influential in

502
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: college football. I think Oklahoma wins this game. I do.

503
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Speaker 1: I think they're going to do more little things. I

504
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: think they're going to, you know, catch tough third and

505
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: sevens more often than they have and losses in close matchups.

506
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: They're not going to get the explosion plays. But I

507
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: don't think Iowa State is in the way that they

508
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: did last time. I think if Breise Hall has a

509
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: great game, Iowa State's winning. I am just I'm a

510
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: little bit worried that he is simply going to be

511
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: good or very good and it's not going to be enough.

512
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Speaker 1: So I'm going with Oklahoma here with a more tested,

513
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: a less green Spencer Rattler, a more complete team, and

514
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: a defense that has gotten a lot better against an

515
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: Iowa State offense is not built to bombit down the

516
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: field all the time. They're all American. As Chas Cohler

517
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: right there, they throw it up to Chas Coler. He

518
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: makes plays, he finds space and zones. He's one of

519
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: the absolute best tight ends pass catchers in the country.

520
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: But I think to have a really strong chance right

521
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: now against where this Oklahoma team has gotten two, I

522
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Speaker 1: just I need more threats to stretch out this defense,

523
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Speaker 1: and I don't fully see it in You know Xavier Hutchinson,

524
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: who's sort of hot and cold at receiver. I just

525
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: don't think they have that guy. So I'm gonna go

526
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma here to win thirty four to twenty seven.

527
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Speaker 2: You need more Winter Wonders, is what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Playwinterwunders dot com Iowa State looking fully, I mean, they've

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Speaker 1: already beatn Oklahoma. They are in the top tier of

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Speaker 1: the Big twelve. Unquestionably, I would agree with that. I

531
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: would agree with that, and I desperately want to pick.

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00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: I will stay to win this game. I think they

533
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: cover the spread.

534
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: I think they're going to be up for this game,

535
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: and even if Oklahoma outclasses them in the end, I

536
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: still expect it to be pretty close. So I'll take

537
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: points here just because I wouldn't respect myself otherwise. I

538
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: do think Oklahoma is a better team. I'm curious to

539
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: see what they do with a shot at redemption essentially

540
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: against Iowa State.

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Speaker 1: Does it also feel like Brock Purty throws two and

542
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: a half to four passes a game where a defender

543
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: slaps their helmet because they can't believe the quarterback threw

544
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: it right to him and he dropped it. Doesn't he

545
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: feel like he's just like he has just absolute brain

546
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: farts once a half and sometimes they get lucky and

547
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: sometimes less. So why worry about is a wild totally a.

548
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: While our first game round something like twelve of twenty

549
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: four or a.

550
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: Couple of those passes. Yeah, so I don't know.

551
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Oklahoma wins something in like the thirty

552
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: five thirty one range.

553
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: So we sort of agree, I think. So let's stay

554
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: at high noon.

555
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: Hopefully you got a two TV setup so you could

556
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: watch this battle of Big ten Titans. Dan Evanston gonna

557
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: be a buzz where you watching the game. What are

558
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: you doing for this game?

559
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: I rented out Wrigley obviously good no crowds. But you

560
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: know I'm taking advantage, you know, as being a VIP

561
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: in the greater Chicagoland area. I am watching this game

562
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: at home likely solo.

563
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: Big Ten Championship game. They're playing at in Indy at

564
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Speaker 2: Lucas Oil Stadium. It's on Fox at high noon. It's

565
00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: Northwestern the Cats six and one, Ohio State five zero

566
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: making it in on a technicality thanks to the Big

567
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: Ten brass. They're about a three touchdown favorite. So let

568
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: me start here.

569
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: I want to frame they also made it in because

570
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: they haven't lost a game in that the clearest in

571
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: the conference.

572
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: To be clear, details details the tails, Dan. I want

573
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: to frame our conversation on this game right here. Okay,

574
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: you and I both have access to a set of

575
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: projections that has Ohio State winning this game thirty three

576
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: to seventeen. Yeah, do you believe that Northwestern can score

577
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: seventeen points here?

578
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: Not fully? Somewhere in that range maybe, but no, I

579
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: would not. I think they can come right out and

580
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: go up seven to nothing with a really strong game

581
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: plan and scripted opening to the game with Peyton Ramsey

582
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: was pretty accurate. I just don't think this Northwestern team

583
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: is built to hang around for a considerab amount time.

584
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: As strong as their defense is, they don't rush the

585
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: passer like they have in recent years. With other defenses

586
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: that they fielded, and we know how you beat Ohio State,

587
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: and it's the way you beat a lot of teams.

588
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: It's an ability to bomb downfield successfully. It's the ability

589
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: to break arm tackles and turn three yard gains into

590
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: fifteen yard gains. And that's not how North Northwestern is

591
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: built to win the Big Ten West. They're not built

592
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: to win the Big Ten. And that's okay, because winning

593
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: the Big Ten West is a big deal. But I

594
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: just I don't. I mean, it's the Winter Wonders thing,

595
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: I guess. But they play really strong defense. But if

596
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: that's all you really do, and I know they ran

597
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: the ball better last week. I know Peyton Ramsey is

598
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: certainly a noticeable upgrade over where they were last year

599
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: at quarterback, It's just it's hard to see it. It's

600
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: hard to see them continuously going downfield methodically because that's

601
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: what their offense is built to do against this Ohio

602
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: State team. So yeah, I have it at like thirty

603
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: five sixteen. So right around they spread, I'm gonna take

604
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: the point because really I'm loyal to this new area

605
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: in which I live. Yeah, okay, but sure, yeah, I

606
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: think justin Fields eventually makes this very comfortable for for

607
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: the Bucks.

608
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, Northwestern's a fun story. I'm glad they

609
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: get to play in this game.

610
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't see how it's close. I don't see how

611
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: it's close. The Cats are the halfest half.

612
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: Team of twenty twenty. Their offense ninety ninth in the

613
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: SP plus, their defense is second.

614
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: Can they carrying out on offense almost thirty five percent

615
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: of the time?

616
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Can they curtail the Buck guys? I don't even

617
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: know if we can say that for sure, because they're.

618
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: Gonna keep I think they're gonna keep them in front

619
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: of them. Well, they're gonna they're gonna force Ohio State

620
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: to go nine plays seventy five yards instead of four.

621
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Speaker 2: You say that, but Ohio State is such a far

622
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: cry from the other teams that Northwestern's played. I'm not

623
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: convinced of that. I'm not convinced they can stop Ohio State.

624
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: I know they can't score. So if we're looking for

625
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: a Tracy Chapman, that one good reason.

626
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: Or just one reason reason reason, we were correcting a thing.

627
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: Who's the who's the best quarterback that Northwestern has played

628
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: this year? Okay, so I'm looking here.

629
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: Northwestern has played against tuauh Tolia.

630
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: Excuse me to.

631
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 2: Spencer Trump. Yeah, either Adrian Martinez, Luke McCaffrey at Nebraska,

632
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: it's hard to keep him straight.

633
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

634
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: Perdue know Wisconsin, let's not talk Graham Mertz Michigan State. No, so,

635
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: I mean and in Illinois. So it's not like it's

636
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: not like there's been any heavy ammo with regard to quarterback, right,

637
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: which is why I'm not convinced. I remain unconvinced that

638
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: Northwestern can have the same effect with their defense against

639
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I just don't know what the reason is.

640
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what the reason is. If I'm picking

641
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 2: Northwestern to win or even cover, I don't feel confident.

642
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to lay the points. I'm going to say

643
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: Ohio State wins this one forty one to thirteen.

644
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: Easier. It's still a lot of points to score against

645
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 1: Northwestern's defense. But do we know then again, that's my point. Maryland, Iowa, Nebraska, Purdue, Wisconsin,

646
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: Michigan State, and Illinois Iowa to O'Connell by the way,

647
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: Aidan O'Connell is the best against Northwestern this year and

648
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: a lot losing effort. I'm just I'm looking at these teams.

649
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: The best team here is Iowa, and it's not exactly

650
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: like they're an offensive juggernaut. So no, I'm not convinced.

651
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: I do respect the Cats. I like the defense, but

652
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: I just think this is a totally different class of

653
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: an opponent. And so I'm saying Ohio State lays the

654
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: number forty one to thirteen.

655
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: Ohio State hasn't played in a little bit. They didn't

656
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: play the Michigan game. They played Michigan State, they didn't

657
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: play before that. They played Indiana, they didn't play before that.

658
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: So they haven't played two weeks in a row in

659
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: a while. So I maybe they're a little a rhythmic.

660
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: Although they performed pretty well against Michigan State, uh with

661
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: that bye week. Yeah, I think Northwestern still keeps it

662
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: close enough. We disagree. I think they're well coached enough

663
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: defense that Yeah, it's nice still even though it's the

664
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: championship game that JK. Dobbins is worth talking about as

665
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: somebody who Ohio State misses.

666
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: Let's go to Saturday, four pm, the Biggin on ABC.

667
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: It is close that at nine and one. That one

668
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: loss came via the Notre Dame Fighting Irish Notre Dame

669
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: also playing in this game.

670
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: It's a rematch.

671
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: The Irish finished ten and oh they are a ten

672
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: point dog.

673
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

674
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: This one being played in Charlotte at Bank of America Stadium,

675
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: So again another rematch. This one was forty seven to

676
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: forty in favor of Notre Dame when they played back

677
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: at the beginning of November, went to overtime.

678
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: How many overtimes did they go too?

679
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll remember that this was also the game featuring

680
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: a Clemson team without a couple guys on defense, and

681
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: also the first road start for true freshman dj Uliangalala.

682
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: You just nailed it so well, Ty, you did such

683
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: a good job with.

684
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: Sa stick the landing Saturday. That's where we're at.

685
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: Stick the landing Saturday.

686
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: Folks have been pointing that out to me for a while.

687
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: Not sticking that landing, but the fact that Clemson was

688
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: without some of its key contributors, most notable of which

689
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: Trevor Larren't It's like you got to mention that, sure,

690
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: big deal, big deal. How do you feel about this game?

691
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: I have a sense we're going to argue here.

692
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a close game. I think

693
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: Notre Dame's defense is such an impressive unit to watch,

694
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: although it concerns me a little. Clarkly, defensive coordinator has

695
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: his hand in a couple different teams right now, even

696
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: though he's sticking with Notre Dame. Signing day this week,

697
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: accepting a job and all the backslap and phone calls.

698
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's a different kind of game week I

699
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: would imagine for Clarklee. But these guys are ready, These

700
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: got you know, his players are ready. They have mastered

701
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: this defense. They've been quite impressive. We saw what they

702
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: were able to do against an offensive juggernaut in North

703
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: Carolina and stemy Sam Howell in that running attack. So

704
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm not terribly concerned. But it's a new element to

705
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: this game week for Notre Dame. I rewatch both the

706
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: North Carolina and the Clemson games, and I came away

707
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: pretty much equally impressed with Notre Dame's defense. Clemson's offensive

708
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: playbook look different in the Notre Dame game, understandably with

709
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: a true freshman making his first road start. I think

710
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: it was a lot of sort of one read and

711
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: some things out of there. I'm running the ball, which

712
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: is fine because he's supremely talented dj Uyungalila. I am

713
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: not wild about this Notre Dame offense relative to current

714
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: expectations and what we believe their matchups could be in

715
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: the next month. I am I just I think there

716
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: were too many plays that Notre Dame needed, you know,

717
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty catch from Bennett Scornik or Javon McKinley,

718
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: and they needed that, absolutely needed the Was it Jeremiah

719
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: Ousu Karamoa who had the sort of fumble catch against

720
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: Clemson in the first matchup that he ran back for

721
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: a touchdown? Right there are too many things about Notre

722
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: Dame's offense right now. They max protect Ian Book so

723
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: much and makes it really difficult for his already sort

724
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: of be leaguered receiving core. To me, I just work

725
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: the matchup of Tommy Reese against Brent Vennables with time

726
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: now that they called off the game for each of

727
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: these teams going into the ACC Championship game. I don't

728
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: like the design of this Notre Dame offense against the

729
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: sport's absolute best with time. Like I think Ian Book

730
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: is very good, I think the totality of Notre Dame's

731
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: offense makes it more difficult for him to be very good,

732
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: and I kind of understand why he's throwing short more

733
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: than I did before, just because so much is taken

734
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: away to me by the design of the offense. So

735
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: I understand why they lost the way they did to

736
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: Clemson in the playoff before I get all that, because

737
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: I think their offense becomes more predictable. They leave in

738
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: the running backs to help with pass protection instead of

739
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: using them as safety valves for some free yards to

740
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: make it third and three instead of a throwaway third

741
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: and eight kind of thing. So I just think that's

742
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: a disadvantage at this point, and Notre Dame can still

743
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: make the playoff if as long as they don't fully

744
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: embarrass themselves in this game. So I'm going to say

745
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: Clemson here. I don't think they cover, but I think

746
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: they win by a touchdown. I have it at like

747
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: thirty seven, thirty one, thirty four to twenty seven, similar

748
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: to how I see who did I said thirty four

749
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: to twenty seven. I think Oklahoma Iowa State. I think

750
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: it's a similarly scored game as that one. I just

751
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: think Notre Dame fans might be quite frustrated with the

752
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: past design in this game. Yeah, I mean, don't they

753
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: don't throw screens. I didn't. I don't think they throw

754
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: a single screen to a receiver or a running back,

755
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: maybe one in either of those games. They're like allergic

756
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: to free yards, like they prefer running in San Francisco

757
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: to running on flat ground. They just make it more

758
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: difficult for themselves.

759
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: To me, yeah, I mean, I guess I disagree to

760
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: some extent with how they've built the offense because as

761
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: a Notre Dame fan who watches all the games, I

762
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: feel like they've gotten better. I feel like they've gotten

763
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: better at what they are, even if what they are

764
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 2: and your review makes it harder than it needs to be.

765
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: Look, they scored a touchdown against Clemson. That's better than

766
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: where they were. It is. It is they beat Clemson,

767
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: So let me go back to this. Though.

768
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: The sticking point for me I went back and watched

769
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: the game and I looked at some of my notes.

770
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: The sticking point for me last time was that I

771
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: thought Clemson was going to stack the box and shut

772
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: down the ground game, and that if they did that

773
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: book wasn't going to be good enough to beat him

774
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: through the air. That didn't really bear itself out because

775
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: Kyen Williams went off, had a buck forty and three touchdowns,

776
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: Ian Book went over three hundred yards, a couple of

777
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 2: big pass plays, didn't do anything stupid. Those bigger plays

778
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: have remained a thing for Clemson's defense this year.

779
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: There are a.

780
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 2: Whole lot of flaws with them. But you can get

781
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: those big plays just like Notre Dame did before and

782
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: just like they have to do again on Saturday if

783
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: they want to win. So that's there. They have to

784
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 2: find ways. Tommy Reese has to find ways to take

785
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 2: advantage of that. The offense has changed, I think a little.

786
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: I think the offense has gotten better since that Clemson game.

787
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: I think I feel better about it. It feels like

788
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: it's all kind of going and rowing together as opposed

789
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: to before. I remember that Clemson game, like I was

790
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: just wondering where are they going to get these plays from?

791
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: Now? It feels like they have more threats. They have

792
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: more threats. But do you I mean, you watch a

793
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: lot of college football that isn't Notre Dame, and you

794
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: see teams running RPOs and hitting a slot receiver that

795
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: goes for thirty seven and with nobody nearby, like they're

796
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: schemed open and just And I'm going to talk about

797
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: Clemson too, because Clemson has their own deficiencies. But doesn't

798
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: that stand out to you at any point, Like when

799
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: you watch not even the best of the best, but

800
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: when you watch teams who move the ball pretty well,

801
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: don't you notice guys that are getting an easy twelve

802
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: that in ways that Notre Dame doesn't well. I mean, look,

803
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: I've talked about it on the show.

804
00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: I'm somewhat perplexed by the fact that they still aren't

805
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 2: really able to throw down the field that much and

806
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: stretch the field. You know, It's a lot of dink

807
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: and dunk stuff, a lot of underneath roots, a lot

808
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: of iam book runs around behind the line of scribbage

809
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: until someone's sort of open or ready scrambles. That's kind

810
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: of a passing offense.

811
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: And it drives me nuts.

812
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: But there comes a point time where you just have

813
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: to accept that that's what the offense is. I think

814
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: legitimately that is what the offense is. At this point,

815
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: they don't have playmakers out wide. The Chase Claypool and

816
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: Miles Boykin like, those guys are not walking through that

817
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: door on Saturday.

818
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: The guys are Okay, they're fine. Jam McKinley is okay,

819
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: shows up sometimes.

820
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 2: Michael Mayer is a monster Kentucky Player of the Year,

821
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: like he's a big kid.

822
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: You will hear that, I promise you.

823
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: But I just think it's a different kind of offense,

824
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: and so I understand the frustration. I felt it, but

825
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: I think it's just we have to accept that's what

826
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: they are. And if we get a game like they

827
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 2: did against Clemson and the first time around, that would

828
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 2: be a pleasant surprise.

829
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: Notre Dame didn't even play a perfect game to win,

830
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: which is a good thing. That's a good thing. Yeah,

831
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: it's a total good thing. Notre Dame didn't play perfect game.

832
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: They scored nineteen points offensively until the final twenty seconds

833
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: of the game and still managed to pull it out.

834
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: I just think Trevor Lawrence is a difference in terms

835
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: of what the offense can look like in those big

836
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: moments that it didn't look like with dj DJU.

837
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: Had four to thirty nine and two touchdowns, no interceptions,

838
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 2: And the way that Notre Dame played against this Clemson

839
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: offense reminded me a lot of the old Bob Diaco

840
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: defense back in twenty twelve where they're willing to take

841
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: four to thirty nine through the air, but just don't break,

842
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: don't break.

843
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: And that's sort of what they did here.

844
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: They took away Etn, they got enough stops in defense,

845
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: they forced a couple turnovers, and they hung on, took

846
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: it to ot, they hung on.

847
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: They ended up winning.

848
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: Notre Dame basically needs to do the same thing if

849
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: they want to win this game. I think they're good

850
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: enough to do it. What worries me is how Clemson's

851
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 2: going to adjust.

852
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: Now?

853
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 2: What kind of lift will Trevor Lawrence give them that

854
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: we didn't see the first time around. I do not

855
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: expect three turnovers from Clemson again. I don't expect just

856
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: twenty eight yards for Travis Etn. That seems like a

857
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: black Swan event to me. So this is going to

858
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: be a better version of Clemson. How does Notre Dame adjust?

859
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: Can Notre Dame adjust? I think the I hate to

860
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: say this, but I think the real point is the

861
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: one that you mentioned at the top here. I think

862
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: they're good enough to win. I don't think they will

863
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: even if they lose. They have to keep this one close,

864
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 2: because if they keep it close, suddenly It's a split

865
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: decision between Notre Dame and Clemson in two regular season matchups,

866
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: and it gets a lot easier to say these could

867
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: be the two best teams of college football, not.

868
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: Saying they are. We deserve to see a third matchup.

869
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything that can happen that would

870
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: lead me.

871
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: To say Clemson wins forty two thirty one and covers.

872
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're you can't be trusted. I can't be

873
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: trust of picking with Notre Dame game. I can't be

874
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: trusted because you just pick against Notre Dame because you're

875
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 1: afraid of being confident. Yeah, I'm worried about Clemson's defense.

876
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: I don't think they rushed the passer as well. Obviously

877
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: they've been without key guys. I don't think they have

878
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: the absolute stud on defense that they've had in recent

879
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: years or studs who was it last year Kendall Joseph,

880
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: who was just all over the place for the Tigers

881
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: literally played like seven different positions on this defense. So

882
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: that worries me that they just don't have the stud

883
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: factor on defense. They're tackling hasn't been as good this year.

884
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: They've let too many plays get behind their secondary. As

885
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: talented as some of those guys in that secondary are.

886
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: The linebackers have whiffed more than I'm used to seeing

887
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: on what seems to be unwiffable, like outside zone runs

888
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,479
Speaker 1: stuff like that. There are elements that scare me about

889
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: this Clemson team in terms of not playing at the

890
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: level defensively or with regard to the offensive line upfront

891
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: on offense on a level we're used to with Clemson.

892
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: And I think the receivers are good bothout justin Ross.

893
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: I don't think their top of the top, So they're

894
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: a different Clemson team. I think they're merely very very good,

895
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: not no brain or great. What's your final score again,

896
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: we'll call it thirty five twenty eight Clemson final.

897
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: Big matchup here, and then we'll talk through quickly some

898
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: of the other group of five games. SEC Title Game,

899
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta, eight pm CBS. It's Alabama

900
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 2: at ten and zero, a seventeen point favorite against Florida

901
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: at eight and one. So Dan, here's the simple truth.

902
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, Bama's closest GABE was a fifteen point

903
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: win on the road at All Miss. That was the

904
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: best offense they faced all year. The adjusted scoring margin

905
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: in that game was eleven point two, so you know

906
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: close enough.

907
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: I guess whatever that means. Whatever that means, Yeah, I.

908
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: Think Florida can score points on Bama. It's all going

909
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: to be on the arm of Kyle Trask, though, and

910
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: it's gonna need to happen via big plays. That's the

911
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: one weakness, if you want to call it that for

912
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: the Bama defense. Kyle Trask needs to hit a bunch

913
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: of those, and they got to win in a shootout,

914
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: the only way this is going to go down at

915
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: the Gators win. The defense is not nearly good enough

916
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: to stop Alabama. They're gonna need to outscore them. I

917
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: don't think they can do that. I want to believe

918
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: they can.

919
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: I really do like Florida's offense. And something you didn't

920
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: mention is this is probably the matchup, albeit they're not

921
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: on the field at the same time. Probably the two

922
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: best pass catchers in the country. Kyle Pitts looks like

923
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: he's playing. I saw a quote ready to go. That's

924
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: the last report I saw. He didn't play against LSU,

925
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: and then obviously DeVante Smith on the other side of

926
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: the ball. Who also just decided to start shining in

927
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: special teams last week against Arkansas with that opening quarter

928
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: what punt return for a touchdown that was just casually excellent.

929
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: I like Alabama here, I do, and it's for a

930
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: matchup that I don't think you fully focused on. But

931
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: it's just how dangerous Alabama's front four on defense are

932
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: without help in getting to the quarterback. I know Kyle

933
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: Trask is a very quick, calm poised decision maker, and

934
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: he should be at relatively full strength in terms of

935
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: his pass catchers. You know, Trevron Grimes has been very good,

936
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: and you know the running backs have been very good

937
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: out of the backfield, and of course Kadarius Tony has

938
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: been a do everything player, just a sensational watch every week.

939
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: But I think they're going to make life very difficult.

940
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: I think they are going to force him into quicker

941
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: decisions than he'd like to make. I don't know how

942
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: much Christian Barmore you've watched, but he's a problem. TI.

943
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: He's a winter wonder and he's a problem. And Alabama

944
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: is not going to need to blitz to get to

945
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: Kyle Trask. And I like where Florida's offensive line has

946
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: progressed too in the recent couple of years, these last

947
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: couple of years, because they were a mess early on

948
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: in the Dan Mullen time in Gainesville. But man, I

949
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: just that front four allows that defense to do so much.

950
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: And that's been where all the improvement has started for

951
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: this defense since that Old Miss game. And so I

952
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: think they're gonna get Florida off the field a lot

953
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: quicker than the Gators would like. And I don't know,

954
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: I just this offense is too much. It's just too much.

955
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: And the gravity that Devonte Smith commands opens things up

956
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: everywhere else. Najie Harris, John Metchi, whoever. I just I

957
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: don't know, I have it at Alabama forty I mean,

958
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't you know. The Sark versus Todd Grantham element

959
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: to this is not particularly advantageous for Florida after giving

960
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: up what they did last week to LSU. I don't

961
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: love the Florida secondary. I'm just gonna go Bama here

962
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: forty five to twenty one. I think they cover.

963
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, I've got forty five thirty five Bama. I

964
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: think I think Florida can hang on here. I don't

965
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: have much faith in their defense but I do have

966
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: a lot of faith Dan Mullins scheming away with a

967
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: really good offense to score points against Alabama. I think

968
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: you can score points against Bama.

969
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: We've seen it. I mean it could be seventeen fourteen

970
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: at halftime and still get out of control in the

971
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: second half.

972
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So seventeen to me is just a lot. Florida

973
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: is a good team. They do have their own deficiencies,

974
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: but seventeen is a lot in a big game. So

975
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with my gut instinct here. Take Florida

976
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: plus a seventeen.

977
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: Alabama eighty percent or fifth in the nation against the spread,

978
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: Florida seventy six, then a nation at forty four percent

979
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: winning percentage versus the spread.

980
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: Let's move quickly, Dan through some other group of five

981
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: championship games. Okay, just give me a quick take here,

982
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 2: Conference USA. It's on Friday night. You ab uab at

983
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: five and three, Marshall at seven one. Marshall is a

984
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: five and a half point favorite.

985
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: Here.

986
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: I look this one up because I just wanted to

987
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: know more about the matchup. This is like a dead

988
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: even matchup here.

989
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: So it's in Huntington, right, Marshall's hosting this game. Marshall's hosting. Yeah,

990
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: I like Marshall. I like the home team. It's two

991
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: teams who have struggled on offense and look really strong

992
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: on defense. The Marshall twenty to nothing lost to Rice aside,

993
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: I don't think they've given up twenty. I don't think

994
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: they had given up twenty before that game. So I'm

995
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: gonna go with Grant Jones and Marshall here. They're at home,

996
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: and maybe that maybe it was a roster thing, maybe

997
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: it was just an off week, But okay, I'm gonna

998
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: go with the home team here.

999
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: We've got the MAC Championship game Ford Field. Also on Friday,

1000
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: it is ball State at five and one, Buffalo at

1001
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: five and zero two touchdown favorite my boy Lance Live

1002
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: poll Dan Yep, dude won six natties at Wisconsin Whitewater. Meanwhile,

1003
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:03,479
Speaker 2: ball State, like one and a half of those five

1004
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: wins wasn't by the skin of their keeth. Sure, so

1005
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 2: give me Buffalo minus the number.

1006
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: Ball State can't stop the run. Buffalo always destroys seams

1007
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: on the ground. With Jared Patterson, you have gonna go

1008
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: Buffalo here, I think comfortably by seventeen. Let's go to Saturday.

1009
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: It's the Sun Belt Fun Belt Championship game in Brooks Stadium, Conway.

1010
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: You know what that means.

1011
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: Coastal Carolina at ten and zero, a four point favorite.

1012
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: This is the rematch everyone's been waiting for against Louisiana.

1013
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: They played earlier in the year. Coastal beat them by

1014
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: three point thirty to twenty seven. Louisiana now coming back

1015
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: for redemption.

1016
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: Louisiana just got done a couple of weeks ago. They

1017
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: beat Appstate on the road and boom. They've beaten some

1018
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: good teams this year. They beat UAB.

1019
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 2: App State, potential Big twelve champion Iowa State in Week one.

1020
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: Mm hm. My issue is that Coastal really humming? They

1021
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: are humming.

1022
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: If you're a quarter and a half into this one

1023
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 2: and Louisiana is able to run the ball effectively, they're

1024
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: going to win the game. That's my tell. If not,

1025
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 2: let's go Shans.

1026
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 1: Even though I doubted Coastal Carolina in terms of covering

1027
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: the spread against Troy last week, I'm just I'm not

1028
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: doubting the Shans tie. That's just not who I am

1029
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: as a person. Come mid to late December, we're talking

1030
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: now about a Coastal Carolina team who this year has

1031
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: beaten as like good a trio of G five wins

1032
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: as we've seen the country. This is like, this is

1033
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: an incredible, incredible season for Coastal and I think they

1034
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: can win this game behind the strength of their ability

1035
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: to run the ball and Louisiana's own struggles tackling in

1036
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: the open field and in a mess of people getting

1037
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: lost in the wash. I'm going shants here to win

1038
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: by a touchdown twenty seven to twenty.

1039
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 2: Give me the Shans by three. Louisiana covers Ah, You're close. Game,

1040
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: close game. Mount West Boise at five and one is

1041
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 2: a six and a half point favorite against the real

1042
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: sparty San Jose State at six and oh Saturday at

1043
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: four fifteen on Fox. San Jose's been very good all year, Dan.

1044
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: I know you love them. Came back last week.

1045
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: Very solid, no glaring weaknesses other than maybe their defense

1046
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 2: getting off the field and third downs, but really solid

1047
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: across the board. I think they've got an opportunity to

1048
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 2: hit some big plays here, because that's Boise's achilles heel.

1049
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: Boise is a ton of big plays. Yeah, I think

1050
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: it's close. Happens when you have Zach Wilson on your schedule. Though, well, correct,

1051
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: that is correct.

1052
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: I think it's close. I'm taking the real Sparty plus

1053
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: six and a half.

1054
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: The Real Sparty works for me too, Ty, I'm taking

1055
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: San Jose State. I just I don't know what to

1056
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: believe with Boise. They've played one top sixty team in

1057
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: the country and they lost by thirty four. Granted they

1058
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: didn't have a quarterback, but I would have expected them

1059
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: to at least get a few more stops considering Boise

1060
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: and where they've been defensively. So yeah, I'm gonna go

1061
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: with San Jose State here, Nick starkle stop number three

1062
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: keeps it going and a balance enough team. I know

1063
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: Brent Brennan has had his name come up for a

1064
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: couple jobs recently, the Arizona one, but yeah, I don't

1065
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: think that's much of a distraction. Give me San Jose

1066
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: State to finish it out. The game is where tie

1067
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: Sam Boyd Stadium in Vegas. Ooh, neutral field. Yeah, give

1068
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: me the real Sparty.

1069
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: And finally we go all the way to the Tokyo

1070
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: Dome for this one.

1071
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: No, I'm kidding. Tulsa at five and one.

1072
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: Cincinnati at eight to o Cincinnati fourteen point favorite at

1073
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: home in Knippert Stadium, Saturday, eight pm, ABC Big Game.

1074
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

1075
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: So I'm a fan of what Tulsa's done this year.

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00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: It's been a good season, been led by defense, a

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Speaker 2: lot of wins.

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Speaker 1: For that adjusted scoring margin was better than the actual

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00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: victory margin a few points. Hm.

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Speaker 2: I interpret that as a defense raising the floor for

1081
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: an offense it's had some trouble.

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00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: It's a fast paced offense.

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00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: It's a variation of the veer and shoot that Phil

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00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: brought over with him from Baylor. Right, they can get

1085
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: you when the offense is tuned up. It is not

1086
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: fully calibrated. This year, they're going three and out a lot.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's a great recipe against Cincinnati, first off,

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00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: because they're really sound on defense. Secondly, because they're a

1089
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 2: much better offense that's going to play at a slower pace.

1090
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Speaker 2: So Cincinnati has to be looking at this game it's

1091
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: a potential playoff quarterfinal. But you know, oh, come on,

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00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: I'm just saying. We talk scenarios on the extended recap

1093
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: on Sunday. If since he wins big, there's a chance

1094
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: they become the official cop out choice of the committee.

1095
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: In a really goofy year, there is a chance of that.

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00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: So for them, it's all gased, no breaks that they

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00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:56,959
Speaker 2: can run it up to one hundred.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna Cincinnati coming off of COVID issues with this

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00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,959
Speaker 1: very specific matchup. Maybe it was last week. I don't

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00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: you know to speculate on how that affects things. It's

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00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: just full ignorance. So I'm gonna avoid that. But that

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00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: is an element to this game. You know, who do

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00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: they have, who don't they have. Tulsa is in a

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00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: position to play this game, so I'm gonna go with

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00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: Tulsa to cover of Cincinnati to win. Tulsa just takes

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00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: down Giants. Cincinnati is the clear giant of the American

1107
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: after edging I guess out UCF and just being a

1108
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: very strange and someone argue down year for SMU and Memphis.

1109
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go with Tulsa to cover. Cincinnati

1110
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: wins this game by seven to ten points.

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00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 2: I think since he wins going away, I think they're

1112
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: trying to make a statement here, Dan, Okay, we disagree

1113
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 2: very quickly. Some other games that I need to mention.

1114
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: Let's just go rapid fire. The walkthroughs. The walk throughs

1115
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 2: Texas A and M minus fourteen versus Tennessee. We've got

1116
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: Florida State on the road at Wake Wake is a

1117
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: seven point favorite. Okay, Washington State plus ten and a

1118
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: half on the road at Utah. Any of those three

1119
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: games jump out at you.

1120
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: Sure, Jeremy Pruitt's name is coming up for being endangered.

1121
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: I think Texas A and M right there with the

1122
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: playoff is going to look to make a statement and

1123
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, pick up anything that falls off of the

1124
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: rankings truck in front of them. So I think A

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01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: and M big there makes sense to me. I think

1126
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: I actually like Florida State here, me too, me too,

1127
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: I think I do. I think there's a little bit

1128
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: of momentum. I mean, granted it was Duke, but still

1129
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: there's a little bit momentum with Florida State. I think

1130
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: Jordan Travis has an interesting game. Yeah, give me the

1131
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: knowles and an upset here. I think Tennessee keeps it close.

1132
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced A and M's blowing anybody out.

1133
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: So getting win's going away by the way too. Yeah.

1134
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I agree on Utah and I agree on

1135
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: Florida State. But I'm gonna go Tennessee plus the fourteen

1136
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 2: at home. Elsewhere, We've got Miszoo minus two against Mississippi State.

1137
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 2: We've got Ole Miss and LSU in the Magnolia Bowl,

1138
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: LSU favored by a point in a half. We've got

1139
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,959
Speaker 2: Illinois and Wisconsin. Wisconsin favored by eleven and a half

1140
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: in the Paul bunyans Ax game, and Penn State by

1141
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: fifteen over Illinois. I really like Penn State minus that number.

1142
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: I would play my lock of the week's sound but

1143
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 2: my soundboard just died.

1144
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: Okay. I also like.

1145
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: Wisconsin minus the number. My first instinct was Minnesota plus

1146
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: eleven and a half, but I've been wrong on Minnesota

1147
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: literally all year.

1148
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go.

1149
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:47,959
Speaker 2: Wisconsin, gonna go LSU minus the number, and I'm gonna

1150
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,479
Speaker 2: go Missoo minus the number as well.

1151
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go the other way. I'm gonna go

1152
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: stall home, stayed at home against Miszoo. I'm gonna go

1153
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: ole Miss to win that game against LSU in an

1154
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: enormous letdown spot, I'm going to go Minnesota. I don't

1155
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: know how many players they're going to be down against Wisconsin.

1156
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm double digit favorites. What have we seen from Wisconsin's

1157
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: offense that says they're better than anybody right now by

1158
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: double digits in the bed ten? Not much? And yes,

1159
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: Penn State comfortably over Illinois. I'm with you.

1160
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: Finally, Michigan State and Maryland. Maryland favored by a point

1161
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: and a half. UCLA favored by seven over Stanford. We've

1162
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: got Arizona State favored by seven over Oregon State. And

1163
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 2: I didn't see is Colorado going to get to play

1164
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 2: this week at the time of our recording. No, they're

1165
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 2: supposed to be available before to play in LA. So

1166
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: I guess if USC has a roster issue.

1167
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: Colorado would step in and play Oregon for the back

1168
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: World Championship game Friday night. Okay, so they have to

1169
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: be available until Thursday or something like that to play

1170
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: in LA. But they're free to schedule their own game

1171
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: in Boulder if they're if it's clear that they're not

1172
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: playing in the PACTOLB Championship game. I don't know. The

1173
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: pactalve of changes its rules once a day, every hour

1174
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: on the hour, like it's traffic, So I don't know.

1175
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with Colorado does not play this week.

1176
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: Michigan Iowa was canceled unfortunately for Michigan issues, but I

1177
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: guess have worsened since the Ohio State cancelation. I'm going

1178
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: to take I can'ts Michigan State. I don't know why

1179
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: this game is happening Stanford Ucla. I'm going to go

1180
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: with the cardinal here. I think UCLA and a letdown

1181
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: spot after coming this close to taking down USC. As

1182
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: strong as the offense has looked, I think Stanford should

1183
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: be able to push around this UCLA defense. And I

1184
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: guess I'll go Arizona State against Oregon State. But I

1185
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: don't know. It feels like it's going to be close

1186
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: and weird, close and weird. All right, Well, there you go,

1187
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: like my first school dance. TI. There it is there,

1188
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: It is all right. It was a time.

1189
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 2: Look, don't forget to check out college football blitz over

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1194
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Speaker 2: last week they're doing it this week because of you know,

1195
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: obvious scheduling and where we're at with regards of the season.

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Speaker 2: As I said time and again, my secret weapon when

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to stay up to date with what's going

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Speaker 2: on in college football, even when I'm out and about

1201
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 2: doing normal people stuff.

1202
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: So I got Dan, all right, Well, look, anytime I

1203
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Speaker 1: can start a college football podcast talking Dominique, Dawes Mosciano,

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1211
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Speaker 2: And in the meantime until we talk next for that

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Speaker 2: go over there, Dan Rubinstein says, Tie Hildebrand, stay solid, peace.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't appear that the throwing tuition challenge giveaway is happening.

1214
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: The last tweets about it were from last year, and

1215
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: like it was announcing who would be throwing, and I

1216
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Speaker 1: don't know, just throw the ball under hand if it happens.

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Speaker 1: Get that cash however you can, Son of