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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Welcome Together Everything, so don't don't. Hey, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the Worst Year Ever, the very first episode of

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Speaker 1: the actual Worst Year Ever. It's official, so really welcome.

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Speaker 1: We are, like really just welcoming them to the first

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Speaker 1: time for the worst year ever, for the worst. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did it. We made it to the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys had a RESTful holiday. Buckle up. Actually,

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Speaker 1: so far and boy howdy, it seems like the Worst

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Speaker 1: Year Ever did not to put it in sex terms,

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Speaker 1: gross sex terms just just got right in there without

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Speaker 1: any lubricant. Did you all see the multiple headlines talking

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Speaker 1: about Bernie Sanders successful fundraising. He is rubbing his hands

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Speaker 1: together like a Nazi caricature of the Jewish man. They

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Speaker 1: all used that photo Washington Post. It is wild, heavy hitters.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations to him for raising so much money, so much

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Speaker 1: more than everybody else. Yeah, that is pretty incredible, right

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Speaker 1: for Oh yeah, absolutely, especially considering all of these small

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Speaker 1: donors and a half million and yeah, the average contribution

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Speaker 1: over one donation of over five thousand I think was

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Speaker 1: which was interesting. Yeah, um yeah, as opposed to Pete,

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Speaker 1: who apparently only raised seven million. Um. I just say

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Speaker 1: that to ease us into a transition into the actual

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Speaker 1: topic of this episode, which is, uh, are you calling

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Speaker 1: it Pete two to judge? It's a Pete two Judge

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Speaker 1: electric boddha looota jedge. I'm not sure if that's going

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Speaker 1: to be the official title, but it absolutely Sophie's head. No. Um.

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Speaker 1: We obviously did a Pete episode last year, but there's

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Speaker 1: more stuff to talk about. Cody was fired up and

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Speaker 1: Robert was also interested, and I was like, cool, guys,

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Speaker 1: we'll do it. Um, but I'm introing because this is

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Speaker 1: your episode. Thank you, thank you so much, and I'll

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Speaker 1: try and interject with clever little things. Oh yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: lots to say. Yeah, uh, you want to you want

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Speaker 1: to kick us off? Tell us what you prepared in

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Speaker 1: our pet episode? Yes, our first boodage episode. I think

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Speaker 1: some people were actually kind of put off by how

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Speaker 1: it was framed within an old essay of his about

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders and presented in contrast with Bernie Sanders and

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Speaker 1: as a tool to bully Pete into dropping out and

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Speaker 1: endorsing Bernie Sam, it's a very cody angle. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a goal I still support. But I heard you,

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Speaker 1: we heard you. Um. We're gonna talk about Pete again. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to mention the other guy at all,

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Speaker 1: but not again. I will not say his name. UM.

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Speaker 1: And so last time before Pete two to Judge Electric

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Speaker 1: Buddhaloota Jedge the official title Sophie. Uh. We talked about

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Speaker 1: his upbringing, his schooling, his career, his his glide path

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Speaker 1: to abandoning Medicare for all things like that. If you

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Speaker 1: haven't listened to it, it might come in handy this episode.

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Speaker 1: The original point of this episode was actually a broader

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Speaker 1: question of is Pete a CIA agent? Uh? And while

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Speaker 1: there wasn't necessarily enough for a whole episode of that,

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Speaker 1: we will get to it, I promise. And everything we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about is kind of related to that. Um.

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Speaker 1: But first, just you know, catching up the year you

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Speaker 1: know since the episode, here's a hodgepodge of quotes and

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Speaker 1: incidents that perfectly illustrate Peter Paul Montgomery Pootage Edge. First,

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Speaker 1: we're quickly going to listen to the short commercial of

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Speaker 1: Pete speaking out loud for the purposes of recording and

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Speaker 1: releasing an advertisement for people to see. I believe we

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Speaker 1: should move to make college affordable for everybody. There's some

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Speaker 1: voices saying, well that that doesn't count unless you go

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Speaker 1: even further, unless it's free even for the kids and millionaires.

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Speaker 1: But the only want to make promises that we can keep.

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Speaker 1: Look what I'm proposing is is plenty of bold. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these are big ideas. We can gather the majority to

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Speaker 1: think is the best governing strategy as well as what

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Speaker 1: it's going to take in order to win. The Lord

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Speaker 1: knows we gotta win. I'm Pete Pootage Edge and I

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Speaker 1: approved this message. Okay, so thanks Pete. Real quick, just

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Speaker 1: a small thing. The phrase plenty bold sticks out to me.

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Speaker 1: It's it. You might as well have said it's good enough.

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Speaker 1: It's good enough. Exactly it is. It's plenty bold. Why

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Speaker 1: don't need to. I like the way you make it

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Speaker 1: into one word. Cody, Yeah, he plin old edge, um,

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Speaker 1: but plenty of boy, plenty bolder edge Bolder Jedge, No,

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be the best year ever. Um. So

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Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to bring this clip up in general,

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Speaker 1: really likes to harp on this idea that we're paying

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Speaker 1: his own policy. To quote him and his platform on

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Speaker 1: the website he wants people to read, quote, we can

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Speaker 1: make public tuition completely free for over seven million low.

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Speaker 1: We're in middle income students who are eligible for federal

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. Now, I don't I'm know like math guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a yang fella, you know, but a hundred

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Speaker 1: listen to another quick clip of him. Uh, it's recently

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Speaker 1: But Thomas Jefferson, famed slave owner, repeatedly wrote about slavery

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Speaker 1: but if he's not lying, then he's not a smart

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Speaker 1: an interesting lie for Pete to tell. And we'll get

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Speaker 1: you got all these billionaires donating to you, Pete, look

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Speaker 1: at all the grotesquely wealthy people supporting your campaign. Why that?

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Speaker 1: How come? And they compared it to you know, their

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Speaker 1: own low average donor number. Um. Well, on Christmas Eve,

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Speaker 1: Pete's campaign sent out an email and that email reads

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Speaker 1: like this. All you have to do to win is

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Speaker 1: donate the smallest amount that nobody else donates. This is

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Speaker 1: a contest from piece campaign. In other words, suppose you

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Speaker 1: donate a dollar. If someone else playing also donated exactly

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Speaker 1: one dollar, you both lose. We'll see if only one

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Speaker 1: player donated one dollar and one cent and so on

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Speaker 1: until we find an amount donated exactly once and that's

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Speaker 1: our winner. So the rules of this game is that

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Speaker 1: you donate the least amount possible to his campaign. Um.

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Speaker 1: And it just seems like a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: sneaky little thing to try to get your average donations down.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I mean, I'm just cool. Doesn't didn't really

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Speaker 1: pan out for him. Um, But this again is like

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Speaker 1: who he is, He's a sneaky little guy. It goes

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Speaker 1: back to like it's also trying to tell the room

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Speaker 1: what the room wants to hear. You want to see

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Speaker 1: that I have a lot of small donations, Well, how

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Speaker 1: do I do that? Easy? That's the easiest way to

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Speaker 1: do that. Make a stupid fucking game it. It's very um,

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Speaker 1: it's very frustrating. But he's been a bit of a

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Speaker 1: hot water lately for these reasons. But yeah, this isn't

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Speaker 1: the first time. This is gotten to a bit of

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Speaker 1: a spat at the debate with Lid with Warren and

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Speaker 1: some other guy running for president about his fundraising and

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Speaker 1: how he sure has a lot of billionaires supporting him. Um.

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Speaker 1: And they talked about the wine cave a lot. Katy,

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Speaker 1: do you want to describe the wine cave situation? The

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Speaker 1: wine cave situation? Uh? Yeah, the wine cave, Katie. You

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Speaker 1: own a wine cave, right, I own many wine caves,

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Speaker 1: but their actual caves and you have to hike out

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Speaker 1: to the desert. And that's where I keep my wine.

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Speaker 1: I don't like complaining about stuff. Complaining about it, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: wine gives me a headache. So I try to keep

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Speaker 1: it wine and locks it away in the desert and Brusco.

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Speaker 1: It's a new thing. I like any who, It's a

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Speaker 1: chilled red wine, a little sparkling. Not the point Sophie

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Speaker 1: saying she loves it. We're gonna go get it. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: the wine cave, you guys probably have more information about it.

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Speaker 1: But it's Um, this couple and they're you know, in

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Speaker 1: the finance industry, blah blah blah, and they have this

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Speaker 1: they're big donors for the Democratic Party, and they have

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Speaker 1: this wine cave and they host events there and they've

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Speaker 1: raised a lot of money for a lot of people. Um.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to be I guess establishment Democrat without having

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Speaker 1: been associated with this place at some point. Um. But

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Speaker 1: you know, the woman apparently in the nineties had really

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Speaker 1: put a lot of pressure to get an ambassadorship and

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Speaker 1: then did you know, like they've got influence. Um. That's

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Speaker 1: the thing about these bundlers and these big private fundraisers.

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Speaker 1: People's issues with the private closed door fundraisers. These this

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Speaker 1: is how people get ambassadorships. That is how they get

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Speaker 1: these positions and get favors. Um that Piz says it

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Speaker 1: isn't gonna happen. Um, But literally, they're talking about the

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Speaker 1: wine cave of a woman who got an ambassadorship for

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Speaker 1: donating to Bill Clinton's reelection camp. And they think that

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Speaker 1: it's been They've been around for a while. Uh, but

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Speaker 1: obviously there's a movement away from this. We're here talking

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Speaker 1: about it, and and it deserves to be highlighted. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and um again it's uh reading the room. Pizza really

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Speaker 1: good at the room, um, to quote an article from

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Speaker 1: the Intercept. During his first bid for public office, a

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Speaker 1: statewide run for Indiana State treasure in Pete, Buddha Judge

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Speaker 1: argued that accepting contributions from banks, political action committees linked

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Speaker 1: to banks or bank executives would amount to a conflict

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Speaker 1: of interest, and he swore off or in the latter case,

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Speaker 1: limited such donations too far below the legal limit. UM.

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Speaker 1: In his bid for president, Booda Judge has gone farther

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Speaker 1: in some respects, swearing off all corporate pack money and

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Speaker 1: pledging to refuse money from executives at fossil fuel companies.

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Speaker 1: But a review of his campaign disclosure records finds that

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Speaker 1: Buddha Judges presidential campaign is a wash in cash from

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Speaker 1: bank executives, many of them heavily involved in financing the

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Speaker 1: fossil fuel industry. So um, he's going to read the room. Um.

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Speaker 1: He seems to have changed his mind about money and politics.

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Speaker 1: At a recent event, he was asked by Greg Chung,

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Speaker 1: a student organizer IOWA Student Action, quote, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: ask if you think that taking big money out of

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Speaker 1: politics includes not taking money off of billionaires and closed

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Speaker 1: door fundraisers, to which Pete replied no and walked away

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Speaker 1: and speaking of the speaking of this exact topic. UM.

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Speaker 1: It was recently reported by Axios that one of Pete's bundlers,

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Speaker 1: h K Park, dangled influenced to donors in an email,

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Speaker 1: reading quote, if you want to get on the campaign's

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Speaker 1: radar now before he has flooded with donations after winning

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Speaker 1: IOWA New Hampshire. You can use the link below for donations. UM.

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Speaker 1: Now Again, to be fair to Pool, the campaign responded

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Speaker 1: by saying, quote, the campaign did not see or authorize

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Speaker 1: the language in this email, but it is ridiculous to

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Speaker 1: interpret it as anything more than asking potential supporters who

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Speaker 1: may be interested in Pete to join our campaign before

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Speaker 1: caucusing and voting begins. UM. I'd like to again highlight

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Speaker 1: the phrase if you want to get on the campaign's radar? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? How? I want to

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Speaker 1: get on the campaign's radar? But I've only got ten

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Speaker 1: dollars to what if? What if? What if? This is

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Speaker 1: the reasoning right? What do you use a radar for?

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Speaker 1: If you say a submarine it's so you don't ram whales.

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Speaker 1: What if Pete's campaign is like a nuclear submarine, it's

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Speaker 1: so supercharged and we're all helpless whales in the ocean.

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Speaker 1: And if we don't want to be destroyed by this

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Speaker 1: runaway nuclear submarine of a politician, we have to get

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Speaker 1: on his radar by donating so that he doesn't literally

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Speaker 1: crush us with his unfathomable bulk. That's a theory that

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Speaker 1: you set out loud, yes, and I can't subscribe to it.

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Speaker 1: I can't. I'm sorry. I'm trying really hard. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe you. Maybe if you were a whale you'd feel differently.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we're not all we're not all proto

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Speaker 1: judges out here, um instantly. H. K. Park previously served

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Speaker 1: as the special assistant to the Defense Department's Chief of

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Speaker 1: Staff and currently works with the Cohen Group. Both things

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Speaker 1: I hope you please remember, because we're going to come

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Speaker 1: back to them later on. Anyway, speaking of simply replying

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Speaker 1: no and walking away, the day before, he said taking

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Speaker 1: big money out of politics doesn't include not taking money

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Speaker 1: from billionaires and closed door fundraisers. After being asked by

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Speaker 1: a student organizer, he was asked at a press conference

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Speaker 1: about his closed door private fundraisers, something he's been asked

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Speaker 1: about for months, and we're gonna just listen to it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna listen to him being asked by the press

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Speaker 1: a very simple series of questions, having a conversation about

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Speaker 1: opening your fundraisers. And that's a question that reporters have

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Speaker 1: been asking me from my house. So I'm wondering when

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Speaker 1: do you expect to be to actually have that conversation

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Speaker 1: and did like answer on that? Again, I don't have

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Speaker 1: a timeline for you as as we candidate. Can you

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Speaker 1: just directorcip? What can you just director from? Yes? And

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Speaker 1: what have you done? There are a lot of considerations

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Speaker 1: and not thinking about it, ask questions. Can you get

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Speaker 1: us an example of those considerations? Thank you, thank you?

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Speaker 1: And then he walked away. Can you give us examples

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Speaker 1: of your considerations? I'll tell you what. That couldn't have

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Speaker 1: felt good? No, I'm sure he's not very proud of

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Speaker 1: how that went. He just kind of scampers off the stage. There.

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Speaker 1: If you're a journalist and your questions get a presidential

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Speaker 1: candidate to walk off the stage because they can't answer them,

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Speaker 1: you you have done a good job in that moment

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Speaker 1: you're doing. They're doing pretty well. Even the next day,

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Speaker 1: he was asked about his private fundraisers, the closed doors, etcetera. UM,

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Speaker 1: and his response because it was sort of he draws

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Speaker 1: a comparison between that and releasing tax returns. They're not

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Speaker 1: the same thing, but he likes to draw that comparison anyway.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in response to this question about the private fundraisers,

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Speaker 1: he said that the house is on fire and we

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Speaker 1: need to take on Donald Trump. Thankfully answer the question.

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Speaker 1: There was a follow up question, a lot of follow

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Speaker 1: up questions to this guy doing a really good job.

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Speaker 1: Here we go on transferparency. Just to follow up on

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Speaker 1: DJ's question, is there anything personally holding you back from

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Speaker 1: opening up these fundraisers? Just want to make sure we

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Speaker 1: do it in the you know, which we approach this,

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Speaker 1: that we that we do it in the right way,

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Speaker 1: and again teams working through options and uh one value

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Speaker 1: to stay tuned in the coming days. We think about

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Speaker 1: I don't know, possible objects. A lot of mackenzy talk there. Um.

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Speaker 1: Now it's interesting because Pete wasn't always so not so

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Speaker 1: transparent about these closed door private fundraisers. UM. It seems

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Speaker 1: to have really started after an issue with uh private

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Speaker 1: fundraiser was reported in October by The New York Times

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Speaker 1: bad publication before we talk about later. Pete Boodha Judges

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Speaker 1: presidential campaign facing criticism distance itself on Friday from a

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Speaker 1: Chicago lawyer who tried to block the release of footage

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Speaker 1: of the police shooting of a black teenager, Lakwan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: The lawyer, Steve Patton, gave five thousand, six hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: the legal maximum contribution to Mr Buddhagedge in June and

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Speaker 1: was scheduled to co host a fundraiser for him on Friday.

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Speaker 1: After the Associated Press reported on Mr Patten's involvement, Mr

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Speaker 1: budda Judges campaign said that it would return the money

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Speaker 1: and that Mr Patten would not attend the fundraiser. Um.

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Speaker 1: And that's when those sort of pesky like closed door

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Speaker 1: fundraisers kind of got into full swing. Um. Though, to

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Speaker 1: be fair to Pete, his campaign has since opened the doors.

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Speaker 1: Per his campaign manager Mike schmool quote, in a continued

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Speaker 1: commitment to transparency, we are announcing today that our campaign

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Speaker 1: will open fundraisers to reporters and will release the names

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Speaker 1: of people raising money for our campaign UM speaking of

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Speaker 1: transparency and releasing the names of people raising money for

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Speaker 1: our campaign. Campaign In mid December, the Buddha Jedge campaign

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Speaker 1: released a list of his bundlers, the private fundraisers who

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Speaker 1: collect other donors for the candidate that people were talking about.

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Speaker 1: They've usually maxed out at that five thousand six number. UM.

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Speaker 1: The transparent list from the Buddha Jedge campaign weirdly excluded

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Speaker 1: a bunch of those private fundraisers from list. A lot

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Speaker 1: of finance guys, some former ambassadors, some investors, and one

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Speaker 1: of the bundlers seemingly purposefully omitted from Mr Pete's public

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Speaker 1: disclosure is h Rogen Cohen, a lawyer and current senior

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Speaker 1: chairman at Sullivan and Cromwell. During the two thousand eight

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Speaker 1: financial crisis, he defended bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Fannie may A,

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Speaker 1: I G. Wacovian, National City, JP Morgan, and three others

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Speaker 1: I didn't recognize. He has said about the financial crisis, quote,

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Speaker 1: I am far from convinced there was something inherently wrong

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Speaker 1: with the system. UM. And you know, like all your donors,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to necessarily equal like what you think

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Speaker 1: about it. But it's just interesting that he's seemed to

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Speaker 1: be ashamed of of these people who are donating, and

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of them donating, and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want you to know about it. The guy who thinks

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Speaker 1: there was nothing wrong with the economy before the worst

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Speaker 1: economic crash of our lifetime isn't a guy I want

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Speaker 1: to be on the radar of a president heading into

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Speaker 1: what's probably going to be at least another significant recession,

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Speaker 1: or being the guy who is looking for other people

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Speaker 1: to be on the radar because that's his goal. Now

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Speaker 1: he's maxed out. He is finding other people that probably

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Speaker 1: don't think different things from him, you know, to go

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Speaker 1: back to my submarine analogy. If that guy is picking

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Speaker 1: the people who are going to be on the radar

638
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: of the Pete Booda Jig submarine, then I worry he's

639
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: going to avoid the whales that I don't know, but

640
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: hit all of the whales that I do. Is right, Okay, Okay,

641
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: you're bringing it back. I like him now, I don't

642
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: think he's a liar. Yeah, So we' gonna take a

643
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: short break. We'll be back um obvious obviously, and we're

644
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: gonna talk about a lot of the things. We just

645
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: talked about putting more of it together everything. Hey cool,

646
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: we're backing from that at breaking. I can't believe we

647
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: did it more Bootigen, that would work great if this

648
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: was Halloween. Um what else you got for us? Cody?

649
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: Every day is Halloween and the worst year ever I know.

650
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: Um So, I remember when I mentioned um earlier that

651
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: lawyer Steve Patton who is trying to block the release

652
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: of that video with the teenager. Well so, in the

653
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: first Bootist episode, we talked about Petzs firing of a

654
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: black police chief, Boykins, who the FBI was investigating for

655
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: secretly recording police officers in order to root out corruption

656
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: and racism. Um Pete sites the FBI investigation is the

657
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: reason for the firing, although the Young Turks have released

658
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: depositions from from Pete's former and current campaign manager, Mike

659
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: Schmool in which he describes telling Pete about the recordings

660
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: before the FBI and also makes it clear that the

661
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: FBI made no indication that there would be indictments if

662
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: Boykin's was not let go. Um So, they weren't pressuring

663
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: him to fire him or anything like that. Further deposition

664
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: from police employee Karen to paper also fired by Buddha Jedge,

665
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: describes numerous racist remarks on the recordings and a plot

666
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: by white officers to use Pete's donors to get him

667
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: to fire Boykin's, a thing Pete eventually did. Very few

668
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: people have listened to these recordings. Um. This is one

669
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: of those people who has described them in this deposition. Um.

670
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: Not to the point. On the last day before the

671
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: worst year ever, it was Pete's last day as mayor,

672
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: he handed out the keys to the city. One of

673
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: those recipients was Bob Urbanski, big player in South Bend

674
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: and a huge donor to Buddha Judge's campaign. Urbanski is

675
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: the donor named by name in the tapes as the

676
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: donor that they were going to use to get Buddha

677
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: Jedge to fire a Boykin's and, according to Jonathan Larson's

678
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: reporting at the Young Turks quote in Or Bansky back

679
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: to campaign loan for the cop who wanted Boykin's out.

680
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: The two other backers of the loan were Buddha Judges

681
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: lawyer who oversaw the chief's ouster, and the lawyers still

682
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: fighting the release of the tapes. Probably nothing, I don't know.

683
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: It's interesting. Um that like four days ago he gave

684
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: that guy a key to the city. Very interesting indeed.

685
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: But don't worry. I'm not worried. Don't worry. UM. Pete's

686
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: been working on his relationship, UM with police and donors

687
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: in the black community. Okay. He released the Douglas Plan

688
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: for Black America. UM ace his name campaign. UM. He

689
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: is a history major. Yeah, exactly, UM. And again since

690
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: our first Boodage episode, the Boodagist campaign promoted a list

691
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: of endorsements of the Douglas Plan, UM, sending a big email.

692
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: These are these are all the the endorsed the endorsements

693
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: to people who love the plan. UM. It was like

694
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: something like four people. UM. And in the email it's

695
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: specified a few specific people. Those people didn't endorse the plan.

696
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: They am going to read a quote from Baptist pastor

697
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: UM and State Rep. Ivory thig Pen. These do sound fake.

698
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: I know. I'm sorry. I'm not sorry. These are these

699
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: people's names, UM. Quote. Somebody brought it to my attention,

700
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: and it was alarming to me because even though I

701
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: had had conversations with the campaign, it was clear to me,

702
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: or at least I thought I made it clear to

703
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: them that I was a strong Daniel. We might have

704
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: to bleep this this name coming up, that I was

705
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: a strong Bernie Sanders supporter, actually co chair of the state,

706
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: and I was not seeking to endorse their candidate or

707
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: the plan. But what I had talked about was potentially

708
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: giving them a quote of support in continuing the conversation,

709
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: because I do think it's a very important conversation. UM

710
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: so funny to do that anyway and not think people

711
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: do like hold on, No, I didn't. It's very weird

712
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: that they just said it. Maybe I'm missing something, but

713
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: I think I think I can explain, might be able

714
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: to explain what probably happened there. I can't know for certain,

715
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: but it sounds to me like that guy they were

716
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: having an email conversation and he said that, like, yeah,

717
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: we can talk about I can give like a quote

718
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: of support for continuing the conversation and whatever intern its

719
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: job was to collect all of these people. He just

720
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: saw the words support when he was skimming the email

721
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: and said, okay, we got one more through that name

722
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: on the list. It didn't actually care about the quote.

723
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: They didn't care about dialogue with him. It was just

724
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: somebody's job to collect names. The name that's gonna be

725
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: my guess. Yeah, that makes some sense. Um, I'm gonna

726
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: read one more quote. Yeah, um from one of these

727
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: named people on that email, Johnny Cordero. He's a chair

728
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: of the state Party's Black Caucus. Quote. I'm not going

729
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: to change what I'm going to say. Okay, So actually

730
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: this is he was asked like, what was your thoughts

731
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: about it? And he asked the reporter h if he

732
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: was if he was black, and the reporter said no,

733
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: him white. And then he's like, fuck it, I'm gonna

734
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: be honest anyway. Um, I'm not going to change what

735
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to say. It's presumptuous to think you can

736
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: come up with a plan for Black America without hearing

737
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,479
Speaker 1: from black folk. There's nothing in there that said black

738
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: folk had anything to do with the drafting of that plan. Now,

739
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: I like Pete, Please don't get me wrong. I'll help

740
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: him in any way I can. I think he's an

741
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: honest man. I think he's a decent man. I think

742
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: he has integrity. I'd like to see him keep running,

743
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: but you don't do that. Those days are over and

744
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: done with. We're tired of people telling us what we need.

745
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: You want to find out what we need, Come and

746
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: ask us. What I was talking back and forth with

747
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 1: them about was who drafted the plan. I know Pete

748
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: didn't draft the plan. I'm sure he had his advisors

749
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: do it, but I want to know who was involved

750
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: in this plan such that you can claim that you

751
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: speak for black America. The long and the short of

752
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: it was, they never sufficiently answered my questions, so I

753
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: never actually endorsed the plan. They went ahead and used

754
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: my name because they didn't white people to make that plan.

755
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: They didn't get two people are considering m to be

756
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: fair to Pete also, So like all these people were like,

757
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to hurt Pete. I'm not

758
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: like trying to attack his his his campaign or anything. Uh.

759
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: They were all sort of of that mindset. They were

760
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: just like, no, here's what happened. And I wasn't going

761
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: to like call them, but it was weird. Um It's like,

762
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: oh that's weird. Huh why do you use that? Um?

763
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: Now it responses controversy that nobody seems to bring up

764
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: to him, like it seems like something he should maybe

765
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: be asked about in a debate setting, Like why did

766
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: you fake these endorsements. Um. But his campaign responded to

767
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: this by pointing out that, well, you see, so everyone

768
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: included on the list was sent an email in which

769
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: they could opt out of being on the endorsement list.

770
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: And I'm going to read a little bit. That's like

771
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: some tricky website where you they have to jump through

772
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: who it's some sneaky Pete stuff. Uh, it's like a

773
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: cable company, it's like an insurance company. So here's a

774
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: little bit of that email. Quote, good afternoon, thank you

775
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: for your willingness to publicly support Mayor Pete Buddha Judges

776
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: Douglas plan, the Boldest Plan. There's that word bold again. Uh.

777
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: That goes into the plant plenty Boldest Plan. That ends

778
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: on if you do not want your name included, please

779
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: let us know by four pm Eastern Standard time today. Now.

780
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: So that's the power of choice right there. You see,

781
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: it's the power of choice. You get an email and

782
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: you can opt out of being included on that list.

783
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: I'd like to point out that the email started with

784
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: good afternoon and ended with respond by four pm, so

785
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: they gave him four hour period to opt out endorsing

786
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: this plan that at most of them. I mean Jesus Christ.

787
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: Like Jesus Christ. Nothing nothing works that way that isn't shady.

788
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the shadiest like tactic and like

789
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: the responses are even word it just gets worse and

790
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: worse and worse. And it's the kind of thing you

791
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: might learn about it. Mackenzie. I wis we're gonna talk

792
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: about a little bit about mackenzie again. I know we're

793
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: all very excited. We talked about Pete uh and its

794
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: consulting last time. Today you've talked about it like it's

795
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: like you said, at the time, we didn't really know

796
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: what his work was was being done. Um, McKenzie's got

797
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: a lot of clients. Um. Enron comes to mind from

798
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: before Pete worked there. Ice comes to mind from when

799
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: Pete was not working there anymore. Um. And now when

800
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: you when you say ice, you mean the concept of

801
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: frozen water that you chop up and putting beverages. Oh,

802
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: my sweet beautiful man, No, that's not what I mean.

803
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: Is there some other ice? There's another ice? And they

804
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: they they drink people and round them up and deport them.

805
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: Don't worry, Robert, we'll talk about this after the recording Yeah,

806
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: we will will tell you all about in border patrol

807
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: when we're done. I feel as if I have missed

808
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: an important story. Yeah, you've got You've got a lot

809
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: to learn, buddy. So Uh, as you pointed out Robert, Uh,

810
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,479
Speaker 1: he used to talk about this time. We can see

811
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: a lot talking about He's he's like a senior decision maker,

812
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, part of these billion dollar decisions. Um. But

813
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: then he stopped talking about it, and he really downplays

814
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: it now. One quote about it, UM that I really

815
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: really like is uh to the extent that I was

816
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: uniquely qualified on something, it was definitely Canadian grocery prices. Um,

817
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: really downplaying Um. Speaking of grocery prices, the company BUDDA.

818
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: Jedges is referring to his lab blats a Canadian grocer

819
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: implicated in a price fixing scandal to artificially raise the

820
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: price of bread. Um not saying he was involved with that.

821
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that he's really downplaying it to Canadian

822
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: grocery prices and that happened to that specific Canadian grocer.

823
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: Guys think about it, though, Don't you want to see

824
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: Pete Buddage and Donald Trump on the debating stage arguing

825
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: about the price of act milk in Canada. No, I don't,

826
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't follow this. No, I don't talked

827
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: about like we should charge twenty dollars and Trump's like

828
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: I thought we did charge twenty and they like, oh, wait,

829
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: do you want to be running mates? M yeah, I'd

830
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: see that. That's that's a winning ticket right there. Um.

831
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: So uh, he's been sort of slowly asked about his work. Um, Robert,

832
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: you mentioned his time at Blue Cross, Blue Shield. He

833
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: asked about by Rachel Maddow about it. He's he's talked

834
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: about how like I doubt I had anything to do

835
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: with those layoffs. I don't know what happened in that time.

836
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: And as we've heard from from that quote, he did

837
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: he did know. He did seem to know and kind

838
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: of bragged about it. Um. Well, it's one of two things, right,

839
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: Like he either did know and bragged about it, or

840
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: he was just lying because he wanted to pretend like

841
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: he'd been a big decision maker at a big company

842
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: back when that would help him. Like he might be

843
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: telling the truth now and have lied back then. I

844
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: don't really, I don't really know. It's possible who knows. Um. Yeah,

845
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: and he's just yeah, one thing, one thing he's He

846
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: has also said about this, um when he's asked about

847
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: whether he had something to do with it. It's very interesting. Um. Now,

848
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: what I do know is there are some voices in

849
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: the Democratic primary right now who are calling for a

850
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: policy that would eliminate the job of every single American

851
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: working at every single insurance company in the country. Come on,

852
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: come on. It's also not the same thing. It's not

853
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: the same thing being a consulting firm and getting people

854
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: to lose their jobs for the purposes of, like protecting

855
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: the profits of an insurance company is not the same

856
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: thing as eliminating an industry in order to give people healthcare. Yeah,

857
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess people jobs, but it's just it's

858
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: it's a yeah, well, I mean it's a dishonest, dishonest framing. Yeah,

859
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: Like we a lot of people lost jobs when the

860
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: tobacco industry was find billions of dollars for covering up

861
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: the fact that cigarettes GIF. You can't that that costs

862
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: some folks some jobs. Yeah, sometimes people there were people

863
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: who were yeah, in in the who used to make

864
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: a living designing cigarette ads for magazines. That don't have

865
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: that job anymore because they can't avert any It just

866
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: is a thing that happens. You take care of the

867
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: health of human beings. And there's a lot of like

868
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: the downplaying is interesting. There's a Wendell Porter. Uh. He's

869
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: a former formerly he worked at signa large and sure

870
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: um he basically uh he quit. Uh. They wouldn't pay

871
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: for a young woman's liver transplant and he was like,

872
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: this place is disgusting. I quit. And now he's sort

873
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: of he just talks about his time at this this

874
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: insurance company. I think we talked about him last time,

875
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: and sort of his giving context to the things that

876
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: Pete says. I'm going to read a short quote from

877
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: a very interesting threat about the language they use and

878
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: what they do. Some context on the it was only

879
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: three months talking point. Consulting is by nature temporary work.

880
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: Often insurance company would hire mckenzy for special projects to

881
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: cut jobs and raise rates that didn't take very long.

882
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 1: Pete says he didn't work on stuff he quote had

883
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: a problem with. Like Pete, I also worked for an

884
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: insure and turned a blind eye to the real world effects.

885
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: Eventually I had a problem with a lot of it.

886
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: It's hard not to when your job includes denying care

887
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: to Americans who need it most. UM. And this sort

888
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: of goes back to that quote about UM, I'm not

889
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: comparing to slavery obviously, but like knowing something is bad,

890
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: doing it anyway, UM, and sort of forgiving that and

891
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: not talking about it in an honest way. And so

892
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: this blue cross and blah blah. There are two examples

893
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: of work he's done. It seems like he is playing

894
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: it up, then realizing people don't like it, downplaying it.

895
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: It is unclear what he actually did. It seems like

896
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: he advised people to do things that maybe hurt people

897
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: for reasons that aren't good. Another example, he was on

898
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: the team that advised the Post Office and he pushed

899
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: for the Post Office to get privatized. So I don't know, Pete,

900
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure about you. But enough

901
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: about Mackenzie, I think it's time to really get to

902
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: the real question that we've all been wondering. Is Pete

903
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: a CIA agent? I like the heading you gave this section,

904
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: Central Intelligedge. Yes, the Central Intelligenge Agency. UM. Right out

905
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: of college, Pete worked for the Cohen Group in two

906
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: thousand four. The Cohen Group is a strategic consulting firm

907
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: founder in two thousand one by former United States Secretary

908
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: of Defense William S. Cohen. You might remember the Cohen

909
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: Group as being mentioned earlier when H. K. Park dangled

910
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: influence in front of potential Buddha Jedge donors. Park is

911
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: currently at the Cohen Group. He previously worked at the

912
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: Department of Defense. Pete seems to have a lot of

913
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: friends in the Defense Department, intelligence, intelligence agencies, and so on.

914
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: His best man as wedding was Nat Myers. They went

915
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: to college together. Um. He's currently at the Office of

916
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: Transition Initiatives, part of the United States Agency for International

917
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: Development Bureau for Democracy, Conflict and Humanitarian Assistance. It is

918
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: UH developed to provide fast, flexible, short term assistance to

919
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: take advantage of windows of opportunity to build democracy and peace.

920
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna let listeners or you guys just

921
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: sort of interpret that however you want. Um, let's see

922
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: sounds above board. United States Agency for International Development, Bureau

923
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: for Democracy, Conflict and Humanitarian Assistance looking for windows of

924
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: opportunity to build democracy. Yeah, that was the part I

925
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: should have reread. Yeah, yeah, windows of opportunity, Uh, is

926
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: not a great yeah to build democracy and peace and peace. Yes,

927
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: we all love democracy and peace. We all love choice too.

928
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: We all love choice, right folks. Um, Now you might recall,

929
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: but probably don't not as being the co author of

930
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: a New York Times piece in two thousand. Okay, well

931
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: you're going to remind me. I might remind you a

932
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,479
Speaker 1: little bit. Um. Then. The piece in the New York

933
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: Times was about him and his college buddies vacation in

934
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: Somali Land, famous vacation spot that we all love. Right.

935
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I've I hear it's a great

936
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: place to go and meet with local elected officials for

937
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: purely recreational purposes. I've heard that too. I've heard it everywhere.

938
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: When I was in college, all my professors like, you

939
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: should do this after you graduate. Well, everybody I knew.

940
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,959
Speaker 1: Spring Dude, for spring break, we'll go to Somali Land.

941
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: We'll meet with local officials. It's gonna be lit and

942
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: absolutely sounds lit. And I and so luckily Nat and

943
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: his college buddy whose spoiler alert was Pete buddhag Edge. Uh,

944
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: they wrote this piece about their their vacation in Somali land.

945
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: That lasted for twenty four hours, and they spent time

946
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: talking to local officials. Nerves these twenty seven year old

947
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: it's going to Somaliland for twenty four hours on vacation.

948
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: Here's a interesting quote. UM, now that we've got a

949
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: little more context about about that UM quote, Remarkably, throughout

950
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 1: the many years the international community has funded, fed and

951
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: sought vainly to stabilize Somalia, it is dutiously ignored the

952
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: peaceful and democratic polity to Somalia's north. Uh. The article

953
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: seems to be pointing to, like the America needs to

954
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: really needs to do something in Somaliland. It's like it's

955
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: like it's like Open for Democracy is using that they

956
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: should take advantage of um windows of opportunity to build.

957
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: It seems like maybe maybe, UM, I'm just saying it's

958
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: it's an odd thing from twenty seven year olds on

959
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: vacation for twenty four hours, That's all I'm saying. It

960
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: seems like maybe, Okay, I just looked it up. Do

961
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: you know where the pet would have been flying out

962
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: of at that point? Um, I mean it would have

963
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: been like it would of in America, but like it

964
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: was it like somewhere in the East Coast. I'm guessing, um,

965
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: probably d C because he was at the Cohen Group, right, Okay, yeah,

966
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: I'm looking at that right now. In the most direct

967
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: flight if you assume that they got him the easiest one,

968
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: uh is a sixteen and a half or sixteen hour

969
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: and fifty minute long journey. Um. Usually it's thirty three

970
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: hours to get there, go, you get there, and then

971
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: there's like, uh several hour journey um through various terrain

972
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: in areas to get to where he actually went. To admit,

973
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like much of the vacation to me, doesn't.

974
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's it's it seems weird to spend thirty

975
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: four hours in the sky, um in order to spend

976
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: twenty four hours on the ground, unless you have a

977
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: very specific goal in mind, talk to local officials and

978
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: then write a piece about in the New York Times.

979
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: I do love talking to little I mean like, and

980
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing. Like if I were to

981
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: go to the New York Times or any other publisher

982
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, I traveled to this country for

983
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: a day and talked to local officials, I'm gonna almost

984
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: guarantee you that they would. There would be a lot

985
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: of question why only a day time to gain an

986
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: understanding of what you're writing about. That's very weird. That's

987
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: not enough time to vet people to like. Collective writing

988
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: is like getting to where you need to be after

989
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: you land. I feel bad about writing something about a

990
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: country spending a week there, right week? Yeah right, you're

991
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: not like, yeah, you'd feel bad pulling a berry wise

992
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 1: going to Australia for a week and then writing about it. Um.

993
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: So there's a land of contrasts um. Anyway, So so

994
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: then Pete trained to be a naval intelligence officer, and

995
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: then he worked for Mackenzie and then became mayor, and

996
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: there's some other things we've talked about. And now he's

997
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: running for president the thirty seven. And while he's been

998
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: running for president, Pete's contracted Patriot Group International to run

999
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: security for him. Um. Actually this is odd. Um. Security

1000
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: is usually done by local municipalities. Um, like a black

1001
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: Rock style private mercenary group. And it's it's really funny.

1002
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: I found an article that was like very clearly pro

1003
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: Pete Buddhagedge, comparing him to like build a blassio in

1004
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: the city, which is like I think at local New

1005
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: York site. Uh and yeah, the title is Budda Jedge

1006
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: pays for own security as the Blasio bills New York City. Um.

1007
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: And it quotes Liz Smith, press secretary for Buddha Jedge,

1008
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: who confirms that, uh pete, Buddagedge does not make his

1009
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: constituents foot the bill for security. Quote. We pay for

1010
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: security from the campaign, she said, noting that Buddagedge does

1011
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: not employ a cuttery of South Bend cops to shadows

1012
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: every campaign move, but hires retired cops or ex secret

1013
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: service agents and only for some events. Now, according to

1014
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: Open Secrets, his campaign has been to minimum of five

1015
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thou dollars hirings. Current International, a group

1016
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: on whose website bragg like features pictures of predator drones

1017
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: and who has had multiple employees killed in places like

1018
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: Iraq and Afghanistan. Yeah, they're not for this, Um, it's

1019
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: very Their mercenaries say that it's not paid for by

1020
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: its supporters, it's paid for by the campaign. Where do

1021
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: you get that campaign money? Where do you get that

1022
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: campaign money? Um? Well, they're they're saying, you know, he's

1023
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: saying he's not he doesn't make his constituents for the

1024
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: building if he's not making the city of bag According

1025
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: to the Patriot Group International, UH their website, they provide

1026
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: services for quote clients within the intelligence, defense and private sectors.

1027
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: None um, none of which he is. Um. It's just

1028
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: it's weird. Most of their clients, like you said, they're uh,

1029
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: these sort of defense contracts overseas. They also stopped doing

1030
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: political work in there's an instant it with new gengers

1031
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: security detail like a Ron Paul supporter try to attack him,

1032
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: and they just don't do that anymore. So since they

1033
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: have not done and now they're doing. Um, I don't know,

1034
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. Um. I'm sure there's no sketchy reason.

1035
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: There's probably no sketchy reasons. Um. He just seems to

1036
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: have a lot of support from folks in the intelligence

1037
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: and defense community. A lot of his donors come from there.

1038
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, um, a lot of World Bank, Black

1039
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: Rock folk. I mean, but you know, when we're when

1040
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: we're looking at you know, people point out the fact

1041
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: that Bernie Sanders has gotten like more individual donations I

1042
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: think than any candidate in recent memory. And how that

1043
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: means that you know, presumably he has a lot of

1044
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: electoral appeal and could get a lot of votes in

1045
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: the general And I think we have to make the

1046
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: same point with Pete that it looks like based on

1047
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: his his resume, he could really lock down the mercenary vote.

1048
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: And that's a critical demo, is it? How big? Is

1049
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: that big enough? There's tens of them in the country,

1050
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: But like, what do they have numerous packing you know,

1051
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: there you go, I mean, I mean guns, Katie filthy unacceptable.

1052
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: I know they're packing a ballot for Pete bood Jedge.

1053
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: The reason that's um he is if you look at

1054
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: the donations of all the candidates from UM like Intelligence,

1055
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: Community Department, Defense, Justice Department. Uh, he overwhelmingly has the

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Speaker 1: most money from them. Um if you include the military,

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01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: that's actually not true because well because the military folks

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Speaker 1: in the military overwhelmingly support the person. Not allowed to

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Speaker 1: talk about Bernie, thank you. Um So, if you include that,

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Speaker 1: it's not true. But um so, I guess all these

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Speaker 1: things are interesting. All these things um are odd. He

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01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: does seem like he's a bit of a liar. UM.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he's a CIA agent or a CIA asset,

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Speaker 1: but these are interesting weird stories that Uh. I am

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Speaker 1: surprised he has done, given how he frames himself and

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Speaker 1: presents himself. These are the Somaliland story is wild. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why he did that, um, but I think

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Speaker 1: more than anything, that's the most baffling and creepy thing.

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Speaker 1: Starting some donations and get on his radar. I do

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Speaker 1: want to get that. And the and the Patriot Group

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Speaker 1: International are two things. Whe'm like, but why, but why?

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Speaker 1: And he was like he's always very uh like a

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Speaker 1: lot of Obama people were very supportive of his campaign

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Speaker 1: for mayor of South Bend, which is weird. Um. And

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: then he like quit the Obama working for the Obama

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01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: campaign at one point to join the Navy to become

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Speaker 1: a naval intelligence officer, and then he came back. It's

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01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: just a series of events. Well, it's all very calculated, weird,

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Speaker 1: We've known it. That's one of those conspiracy theory thinking

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01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: is like a disease that is UH doing incalculable damage

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01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: to the body politic right now. And like I hate

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: like jumping into these two stuff like that, but also

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01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: like it's so fucking sketchy. It's what is the explanation

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01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: for the Somali land trip that isn't sketchy as hell?

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01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: What is the explanation for hiring Patriot Group International that

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01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: isn't sketchy as hell? Presidential campaigns don't hire mercenaries for

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01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: crowd control, and those mercenaries don't get hired. Commented on it. No,

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Speaker 1: it seems like something to be brought up, um like

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01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: that we've got on his radar. I just like, it's

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01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: so hard to not sound like to be in fact

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01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist when you talk about this guy. But

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01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: there's so much of it that just screams fucking spooks,

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01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, his behavior is spook like and

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01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: spooks love him and that's and that's how it is, um. Yeah.

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01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: And at least you know, you can make maybe he's

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01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: just a well rounded guy. You know, maybe he's passionate

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01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: about price fixing and uh, Somalilands local officials, the cost

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01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: of bread exactly, and he's just really craves security. Yeah,

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01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, he needs he needs better security. You're all

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01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: a little unsettled these days, and he just wants to

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Speaker 1: feel safe. Yeah. Just so uh, to sort of circle

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01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: back to my original desire for him to drop out

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01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: and endorse Bernie Sanders. Um I still stand by that.

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01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: I was thinking about, like, oh yeah, endorse him and

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01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: then like become his running mate. But that's like, this

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01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: areious thing to me because then you have like but

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01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: then the CIA will kill the socialist and then Pete

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01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: will be the president. So I don't want him to

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01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: do that. You're really going down a rabbit, I know.

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01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: But how can you not? How can you not? It's

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01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: very weird. It's very weird. It's weird. I've been both

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01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: first into the worst year. I wanted to lay all

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01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: this out and be like very level headed, wanted to

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01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: do that, but I think we should. I think we

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01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: should highlight here that we all decided we needed a

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01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: Pete Booda Judge episode, and Katie and I expressed, oh shit,

1117
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: we're so busy getting some of the other stuff done.

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01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how much research will be able to finish,

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01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: And then before either of us finished that sentence, Cody said,

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I've already written eight pages on him. So

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01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: that's the story of this episode. I've got strong's been,

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01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: He's been every every time there's a silence when we're

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01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: working on any project, he'll be like did you see

1124
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: this thing about Pete. He's been brooding over for months.

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01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: He's such a liar. So we needed to get this

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01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: in for Cody sanity, thank you, And we needed to

1127
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: do there than some yarn and some pieces of paper

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01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: with facts about Pete Bota John create the Peppe Sylvia

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01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: scene from Always Sunny. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm just very

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01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: passionate about Pete Um and he's a liar. Um. I

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01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: think that quote of him saying, say you need to

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01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: to win is very telling and like uh impervious, Like

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01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: it's like it's in it's in his soul, it's in

1134
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: his bones, Um in a way that is unique. Yeah,

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01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: Like whenever you whenever you call a politician like called

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01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: them out for lying, it's easy for like the response,

1137
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: especially for people who like that particular politician, to be like,

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01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, if they can't deny that the lie happened,

1139
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: Well they all lie, there, politicians. And it's true like

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01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: Barack Obama told lies, Tonteald Trump has told quite a

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01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: few lots, like like like Trump is the one that

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01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: like usually where this it's like, well, they all lie,

1143
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: and it's true that Obama led, It's true that Bush

1144
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: light it's true that Clinton and Reagan led. I think

1145
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: the difference but both with Trump and with a guy

1146
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: like Pete is the consistency with which they lie. Everything

1147
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: he says is disingenuous. Everything he says when you dig

1148
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: into it is skewed differently than like he portrays it,

1149
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: or is an outright fabrication or is like it's like

1150
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: you look into like like this stuff with them having

1151
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: people sign on, like trick basically tricking people into endorsing

1152
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: his Ferguson or not. For Douglas plan Um is like

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01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: it's it's it's such a consistency, so like like every

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01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: politician lies, not every politician is like fundamentally at their

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01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: core a liar um. And yeah, that's what I see

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01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: with Pete Boudags someone who Yeah, I I when people say, like, well,

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01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: he's a politician. I mean I've said that, but I

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01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 1: don't say that as a dismissal of the fact that

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01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: he's lied. I hate that about politicians. I want the

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Speaker 1: politician that's the least politician e you know, uh yeah, um,

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01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's a very unique thing for Pete, I think. Um.

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Speaker 1: And that's the frustrating thing because it happens quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: very consistently, and he's not really confronted about it in

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Speaker 1: a way that other politicians would be, like on a

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01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: debate stage and things like that. Um, the media sort

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01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: of lifted him up as this like, oh, he's the Obama.

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01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: He's like a smart guy, and he's he can he

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01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: knows all the languages, and like, I think that's weirdly true,

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01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: Like he can like hone in on like here's how

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01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: you speak. I'm gonna try to talk to you like this,

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01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lie to you. Um, he's good at the

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01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: he's good at language in a lying way. If you're

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01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: the nine or ten people who are fans of trans Metropolitan,

1174
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: which is a comic book series by Derrick Robertson and

1175
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: Warren Ellis that I quite enjoy. Um. It's about like

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01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: an election, and there's a character, um politician, a guy

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Speaker 1: running for president, the smiler and and Buddha Judge reminds

1178
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: me a lot of him. Um. Yeah, it comes to

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01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 1: mind this guy who doesn't who says all the right

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01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: things and believes in none of them. And that's how

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01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 1: I feel about Pete Bouddha Jage. Yeah, and I think

1182
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: that it speaks to why all that all the all

1183
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: this money from these various places are are funneling into

1184
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: him because they know that about him and they know

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01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 1: what they can get out of it. In conclusion, make

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01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: Pete Buddha Jedge not the President, didn't judge Judge. Well.

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Speaker 1: So next week, guys, we're gonna be dropping the first

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Speaker 1: part of our much anticipated for episode. Uh and we're

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01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: really excited to share that with you. Uh. I was

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01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: going to be an audio visual extravaganza, extravagan without the visuals. Um.

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01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: I can't speak for either of these two guys, but

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01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: I hope you had a good, happy, safe New Year

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01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: that you can't. I can't speak for you. I can

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01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: speak for me. Everybody liked me. No, I don't hope

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01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: that actually, So I'm glad you didn't speak for me.

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01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: You've never mentioned that in passing, So I how I

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01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: would I assume that you thought that you hoped for

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01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: everyone's health and happiness. Um, and man, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to say it's good to be back, but we are back.

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Speaker 1: We are we are we are still here and um.

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Speaker 1: You guys can find us online at Worst Year Pod,

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01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram. Etcetera. There's merch out there. Um,

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: and you can find the worst year ever right now

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01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: in your life currently because it's here and you can't escape.

1205
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: It's in your ears, in your mind, you're bringing your heart. Um,

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01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: we'll get through this year. Yeah, I'm gonna make it.

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Speaker 1: We might not, though nobody can promise that. At this point,

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01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: I ran out of steam. You got to post it

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01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: on the last day of the year, so you know, like, no,

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01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 1: it's like twelve hours. I'll be fine. Everybody does, all right,

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Speaker 1: we'll be back next week. Thanks guys, Hey bye. Every

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