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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she

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Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and

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Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me

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Speaker 1: stephen A. Smith. This is Rashan McDonald and I'm the

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Speaker 1: host of money Making Conversation dot com. I recognized that

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Speaker 1: we all have different definitions of success. For you, it

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Speaker 1: may be the size of your paycheck. Mine is helping

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Speaker 1: Making Conversations this week are civil rights attorney Benjamin Crost,

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Speaker 1: President CEO of the National Urban League, Mark Marial, the

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Speaker 1: Interim Executive director at the Center for Law and Social Justice,

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Speaker 1: Larie Daniel Favors, and he directs some of the hottest

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Speaker 1: TV movies out there, Power Book to Goes, Prodigal Son, Evil, Shameless,

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Speaker 1: Black Star Girl, and many more. My man director straordinaire

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Speaker 1: all aboudy elf and watching his career. Girl, it's a

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Speaker 1: great career because it's by motivating people, uplifting people, giving

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Speaker 1: them a voice in the community. That is my next guest.

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Speaker 1: His attorney being Crump. He's a naturally recognized trial lawyer.

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Speaker 1: I was still manager Steve Harvey and I saw more

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Speaker 1: TV representative Trayvarn Martin. Then we make back stage at

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Speaker 1: the Neighborhood Awards and we have become great friends. He

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Speaker 1: had a dream to impact the lives of African Americans

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Speaker 1: in the justice system. Ben's fight for justice has covered

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Speaker 1: many cases and his dedication they have families received justice,

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Speaker 1: including Ahmad Aubrey Martin, Lee Anderson, Beyanda Taylor, Jacob Blake,

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Speaker 1: George Florida, and unfortunately many others. All these families have

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Speaker 1: turned to Mr Crump to turn the spotlight of their

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Speaker 1: injustice on their cases. Please work with the money making conversations,

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Speaker 1: Attorney Ben Crump, how you doing mentor thank you sir?

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that tyler You've given me because it was

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Speaker 1: at the Neighborhood Awards when we started talking about trying

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Speaker 1: to have your voice elevated beyond the courtroom, and you

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Speaker 1: inspire me in ways and never ever discourage me. And

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Speaker 1: because of that, you know, God has blessed me beyond

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Speaker 1: anything we could have ever envisioned. We don't to think

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Speaker 1: about it. You know, we've done television shows together and

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Speaker 1: and those shows are all about injustice, you know. And

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Speaker 1: one of the famous quotes you always told me, if

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Speaker 1: you want to see the justice ships and play out,

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Speaker 1: just sit in the back of any courtroom in America.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about that quote, Yeah, you know, when we

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Speaker 1: did Evidence of Innocence, which I still think is one

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Speaker 1: of the best shows that has ever been put on TV,

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Speaker 1: that you produced and helped create this concept of seeing

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Speaker 1: injustice everywhere in America. It's not far into any city

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Speaker 1: or state. You go in any courtroom. You don't have

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Speaker 1: been at interestate that there are two justice systems that

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Speaker 1: And we saw that play out in America when they

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Speaker 1: completely different rashon than any Black Lives Matter protests ever.

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Speaker 1: I mean they were able to bust into the capital.

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Speaker 1: thing that I got from you, Rashan, and people like

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Speaker 1: always got to keep a positive perspective. That's why I

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Speaker 1: love doing evidence of innocence with it, because, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: the injustice. And that's important that you say that because

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Speaker 1: use your your life. You know you've been putting the spotlight,

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Speaker 1: in a little bit, but the bottom line is fighting injustice.

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Speaker 1: What bothers you the most about the cases that seems

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Speaker 1: it right. Well, you know, I'm talking to civil rights

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Speaker 1: attorney Benjamin Crump. Well renowned fame, but fame has a

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Speaker 1: cutting edge because you're going the airports, people recognize you. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And so that family lost their father. And even though

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Speaker 1: through the middle of town where in Galveston, Texas, as

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Speaker 1: is just outrageous to think that. In we're not talking

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Speaker 1: and as you correctly stated, they chased him. I mean

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Speaker 1: You know. Central to that book where Shan is the idea,

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Speaker 1: That book also talks about what you do in the

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Speaker 1: face of emergencies. The insurrection was an emergency, and emergencies

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Speaker 1: can paralyze leaders, paralyzed governments, paralyzed businesses. How you have

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Speaker 1: For us to work together as a nation in these times,

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Speaker 1: going to ever be more difficult. Did Dela Trump do

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Speaker 1: But everything else he did, his rhetoric, his tone, his

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Speaker 1: should feel that there's now an opportunity to be optimistic. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I say an opportunity to be optimistic because amidst

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Speaker 1: opportunity now for the last seventeen years to lead this

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Speaker 1: historic civil rights organization. Well, I hope you understand why

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Speaker 1: I got you on this call. Listen what you said

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Speaker 1: when you came in thirty six years of age in

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Speaker 1: New Orleans, civil unrests, murders, economy was out of control.

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Speaker 1: There was no direction. I said, Um, I told my Stuf,

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Speaker 1: I said, I talked to Bart, I said, because he's

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Speaker 1: the king of the Gubble coalition. He's a companion of

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Speaker 1: understanding that people need to work together to win together.

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Speaker 1: And when I when I talk about and we see

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Speaker 1: basically when I look at the Biden ticket, it's a

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Speaker 1: go guble coalition. You have Bidenden has put together. Biden

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Speaker 1: just put together a gumbo Lord Austin Marsha Fudge. How

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Speaker 1: the ever Sarah Pete blew the judge. I mean, he's uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's put together a ticket as varied and

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Speaker 1: diverses any or rather an administration. Uh so far that

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Speaker 1: is various diverses any in American history. When we know,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the empowering communities and changing lives,

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Speaker 1: the five point empowerment agenda that you have out there,

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Speaker 1: because my whole thing about the National Urban League is

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Speaker 1: that there's a plan there. When you got there, there

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Speaker 1: wasn't a plan. In your book you talk about that

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Speaker 1: we have to focus. We focus on five areas. We

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Speaker 1: focus on five areas, and we focus on programs, policy

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Speaker 1: and thought leadership, and we're very focused on the areas

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Speaker 1: that we focus on. We focus on education, we focus

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Speaker 1: on jobs, we focus on housing, health, we focus on

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Speaker 1: UH justice issues. And when we focus on those issues,

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Speaker 1: every organization needs to focus. You can't be an ambulance chaser. Now,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta be the ambulance. But you can't chase

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Speaker 1: ambulances and civil rights and be effective. You gotta respond

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Speaker 1: to crisis, but you gotta have a solid, proactive plan,

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Speaker 1: and that's what the National Herbly does. That's why we

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Speaker 1: serve almost two million people. Yeah, that's why we've got

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Speaker 1: this dynamic network of ninety affiliates across the nation with

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Speaker 1: talented men and women doing the important work of the

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Speaker 1: Air Belief movement. That's why we have UH sustained ourselves

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Speaker 1: and survived now for a hundred and ten years. Well, well, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I know I didn't. I can't keep you long. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to appreciate you with Sean, let's do it again.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your leadership, appreciate your voice, appreciate your friendship,

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Speaker 1: and appreciate the chance to be on with you for

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Speaker 1: another conversation once again. Gun Boat Coalition. You can buy

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Speaker 1: that UH bookstore near you or online. God bless you

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Speaker 1: with Sean alright, thank you for coming on Money Making

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to money Making Conversations. I'm your host, rus

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Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. My next guest is a planner and activists

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Speaker 1: sees a lot of things, but more importantly, Luie Daniel

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Speaker 1: Favors is on my show. Luis Daniel Favors is an activist,

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Speaker 1: radio host, author, and attorney with a long standing commitment

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Speaker 1: to racial and social justice. She currently serves as an

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Speaker 1: interim executive director at the Center for Law and Social Justice.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on today, y'all, from politics to

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Speaker 1: I'd like to believe Attorney Favorites is on my show

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Speaker 1: to talk about it and the upcoming inauguration. Please welcome

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Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversation. Larie Daniel Favors. Did I get

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Speaker 1: it out correctly? You did, sir, you did, indeed, And

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. It's an honor

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Speaker 1: to be here. Well, Prince to first of all, you know,

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Speaker 1: knowing your schedule, knowing your background. Let's let's let's get

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Speaker 1: it into your background because I always like to tell people,

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Speaker 1: you know, you you're are a radio host, so you

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Speaker 1: over there. What what direction do you want to take

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Speaker 1: your career and all your brand? You know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I was a little girl, I actually

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Speaker 1: wanted to be a doctor. I had no interest in

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Speaker 1: the law whatsoever, and I had this dream that I

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Speaker 1: was going to be I was gonna deliver babies for

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Speaker 1: communities that I wanted to live in Black communities largely,

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Speaker 1: and I planned on having a clip nick where I

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Speaker 1: would deliver the babies of the mothers. The mothers would

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Speaker 1: enroll their children into classes that I had I was

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Speaker 1: going to have at this clinic, and then the mothers

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Speaker 1: would work in the clinic with me and we would create.

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Speaker 1: In my seven year eight year old mind, I was

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Speaker 1: literally trying to think of a cooperative health care service

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Speaker 1: that was going to be able to meet the needs

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Speaker 1: of people in my community. I stuck with that dream

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Speaker 1: for a really long time. And I'm gen x Uh

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Speaker 1: and I grew up in a time where girls not

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Speaker 1: being good at math and science was still kind of

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Speaker 1: a thing, like we didn't have document stuffins when I

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Speaker 1: was little. My daughter has that now her her possibilities

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Speaker 1: are completely wide open. And as a result of that,

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Speaker 1: I did not get along well with math or science,

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Speaker 1: and so I realized that the doctor Ringfield was probably

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Speaker 1: not going to be where I ended up staying in

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Speaker 1: the medical community. Um. When I was seventeen years old,

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Speaker 1: one of my uncles took me to hear a civil

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Speaker 1: rights speaker, an attorney all Tomatics, and I believe it

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Speaker 1: was at the Slave Theater in New York City, and

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Speaker 1: I was completely enraptured with everything that this man had

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Speaker 1: to say. He was speaking a lot of truth to fire.

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Speaker 1: He was speaking to all the issues that I cared about.

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Speaker 1: You know, my my parents raised me to be very

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Speaker 1: um engaged with what was happening in our community. You know,

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Speaker 1: loving black people proactively was really a part of my

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Speaker 1: education as a child. UM. And when I heard him speak,

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Speaker 1: I said, Okay, I'm gonna have to let go this

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Speaker 1: clinic idea because Matthew Stein and I'm not getting a law.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to law school and I'm going to use

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Speaker 1: the law to make black people's lives better in some way,

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Speaker 1: shape or form. And that's sort of the track and

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Speaker 1: the trajectory that I've been on ever since. UM, I've

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Speaker 1: been engaged in community activism since my days in college.

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Speaker 1: My friends and I put together an organization that you know,

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Speaker 1: decades later, are still in existence. And as far as

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Speaker 1: where I want my career to go, I definitely see

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Speaker 1: it on that path, using my my passion, using my

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Speaker 1: training as an attorney, UM and as someone who has

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Speaker 1: an expertise in racial justice, to really create an environment

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Speaker 1: and an opportunity to where we are setting our own tables.

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Speaker 1: We were able to bring our own chair, prepare our

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Speaker 1: own food, and then we can invite other people to

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Speaker 1: our table instead of needing to constantly feel as that

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Speaker 1: we have to be invited to someone else's. Uh So

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Speaker 1: that's you know, I don't know what that means in

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Speaker 1: terms of next moves I would make politically or are professionally,

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Speaker 1: but that's certainly the trajectory I see myself on. Well.

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Speaker 1: First of all, my degree is in mathematics, so you know,

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Speaker 1: just let you know that, don't beat me up. And

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Speaker 1: my minor is very similar to yours in sociology because

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Speaker 1: I have a strong emphasis in African American studies and

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Speaker 1: I tell everybody, if I had to do it all

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Speaker 1: over again, I would have minor the sociology because African

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Speaker 1: American studies changed in my life because I realized what

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Speaker 1: what was school is really a farce because they don't

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Speaker 1: teach you or tell you the true reality. And that's

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Speaker 1: why Confederate flags are cool in the South, because if

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Speaker 1: it actually did the proper education and show the gym

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Speaker 1: pro processes and how blacks really contributed to this world,

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Speaker 1: then white people will be ashamed to hang those flags

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Speaker 1: in the South. How did African American studies have theympacked

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Speaker 1: on life? You know, I think that's a great question

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Speaker 1: because what I actually have come to believe is that

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Speaker 1: every black college student, and it's a shame that it

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Speaker 1: takes getting to college to get access to this information, right.

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Speaker 1: You know, my husband and I often talk about the

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Speaker 1: fact that, you know, we have all these professional degrees,

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Speaker 1: and outside of my Africana Studies degree, which I majored

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Speaker 1: in college, I really had no other space in my

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Speaker 1: education that prepared me for what it is that I'm

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Speaker 1: doing today. And I feel as though every black student

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Speaker 1: who was so privileged to be able to go to

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Speaker 1: college needs to need a double major in African and

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Speaker 1: African American studies or minor in it if it's not

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Speaker 1: their primary major. And I think it's important because we

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Speaker 1: don't just need political scientists. We need political scientists who

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Speaker 1: know how to take the wisdom of one of the

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Speaker 1: best political scientists, Marcus Garvey, and fuse them with what

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Speaker 1: our issues are today. We don't just need entrepreneurs. We

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Speaker 1: need entrepreneurs who can tap into the genius that book

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Speaker 1: of T. Washington did have. I know that you know

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Speaker 1: there's some controversy there, but he was onto something. He

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Speaker 1: and wubed the boy. There shouldn't have been a debate

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Speaker 1: because we needed both of what they had to say.

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Speaker 1: But we need entrepreneurs who are able to take the

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Speaker 1: book or T. Washington approach to trade and two skills

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Speaker 1: development and marry it with the job needs that we

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Speaker 1: have in our community right now. We don't just need

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Speaker 1: black medical doctors. We need black medical doctors who have

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Speaker 1: an expertise in the health conditions and the environment that

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Speaker 1: produced the health outcomes that black communities find ourselves and

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Speaker 1: why because we need them to build hospitals, We need

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Speaker 1: them to to lead research, We need them to engage

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Speaker 1: in in the types of study that is going to

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Speaker 1: center our physical needs. We we don't just need black

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Speaker 1: bankers and finances. We need black bankers and finances who

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Speaker 1: understand black economics and who can take a Claude Anderson's message,

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Speaker 1: who can look at a message, who can look at

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Speaker 1: what it means to have a legacy of black banking

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Speaker 1: and recognizing the limitations of focusing solely on black banking

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Speaker 1: within a racially driven capitalist system, and create economic models

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Speaker 1: that are going to not only uh empower us to employment,

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Speaker 1: but how do we grow wealth within a society where

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Speaker 1: we are at the bottom and having to pull ourselves up.

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Speaker 1: We need black professionals who aren't just black professionals. We

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Speaker 1: don't just need people getting jobs and great paychecks. We

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Speaker 1: need them to have the knowledge that is going to

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Speaker 1: be necessary to create solutions so that our community can

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Speaker 1: get the benefit. And so I would encourage every parent

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Speaker 1: if you have children who are looking to go in

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Speaker 1: to college, whether they're going to HBCU or a p

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Speaker 1: w Y, majoring in Afrikaan is studies is one of

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Speaker 1: the best things they can do. And even if if

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Speaker 1: it's a double major, even if it's a minor, quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: because we don't have, as you said, any spaces where

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Speaker 1: we're able to learn this history. And when you don't

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Speaker 1: know who you are, and Marcus Garvey tells, the people

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Speaker 1: who are without knowledge of their history, without knowledge of

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Speaker 1: their past, their culture, of their origins, are like trees

854
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: with no roots. And we do not have the luxury

855
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: of having Black excellence and intellectual prowess that is not

856
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: grounded in that history, so that they're producing the solutions

857
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 1: that are people can benefit from. Well, here's the beauty

858
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: of conversation we're about to have. Because of being in

859
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: my er in the social you major, then you got

860
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 1: to the great BA and African and African American studies,

861
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: your minors in Spanish language. I must admit I'm very

862
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: limited in that conversation. So we won't even go there.

863
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: We won't go there. We'll go there even though I

864
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: grew up in Houston, Texas. Now book because you brought

865
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: him up. I wasn't gonna bring him up in this

866
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: conversation because he's renowned in the black community. But when

867
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: you hear a story he felt that black people should

868
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 1: be servient in my tone and my learnings to white people,

869
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: because white people think a great maids and great mechanics all.

870
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: And that's where w B. The Boars had issues with

871
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: him because he felt that, sure, you're educating African American

872
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,959
Speaker 1: or black people are negroes at the time, but you're

873
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: telling them that's all they could do. What WB the

874
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: Boars were saying, we should be able to do anything.

875
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: You know in conversation, am I writing that assessment? In comparison,

876
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: you learned it your way. I learned in my way.

877
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: But but but Book Washington really in some ways was

878
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: a disappointment, even though he had the voices of all

879
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: the all the right white people, the rich wants to Rockefellows,

880
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: they all want to him for information, and so when

881
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: he told them just what black people can do, in

882
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: some ways it created an image of our we weren't

883
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: unlimited and opportunities, we were limited an opportunity based on

884
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: these conversations. So I think that what you raise is

885
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: a really good point. And I love the juxtaposition between

886
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: the boys and Book or T. Washington. And I think

887
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: it's important that we recognize that a lot of times

888
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: in history you have these these massive debates between these

889
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: giants of our history. And if you're able to pull

890
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: back a bit and bring yourself back from the forest,

891
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: from the trees, to look at the individual tree, to

892
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: look at the whole forest, what we see is often

893
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: there are truths in every single one of their arguments,

894
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: many of them right. For book or T. Washington advocating

895
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: the routes to trade, advocating that the use of our

896
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: hands manual labor. For him, I think what he was

897
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: saying is that even if we take this college route,

898
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: even if we get our students into college, and at

899
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: that time, you know, Cardegie Woodson tells us a lot

900
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: about the early era of educating black people in this country,

901
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: and Cargi Woodson in his book The Miseducation of the Negro,

902
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: he talks a lot about the fact that you've got

903
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: black people in school who are learning Latin, they're learning

904
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: Greek history, they're becoming professors of you know, the great

905
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: Romance languages, you know, things of that nature. And yet

906
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: the peanut farmer who is an immigrant who cannot speak

907
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: English can come to this country, having just got here

908
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: last month, open up a peanut cart, and we'll go

909
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: become rich by selling to those of us black people.

910
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: Who are often colleges, learning the trades and learning the

911
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: great Romance languages. And I think what what we find

912
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: that kind of brings each of those three men and

913
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: their bodies of thought together, is the idea that, yes,

914
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: we need people who are able to go off into

915
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: the humanities and to study what it means to to

916
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: engage in philosophy. But if the philosophy is Western philosophy,

917
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: and if the philosophy is harmfully exclusionary to black interests

918
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: and to the black existence, then that philosophy and black

919
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: people majoring in that type of philosophy for their academic

920
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: study does us a disservice. I think that when we're

921
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: looking at where we're at right now today, I have

922
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: a very good friend of mine who's a phenomenal, brilliant

923
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: guy finance, and you know, he's done a lot of

924
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: work in the finance industry. He's a VP at one

925
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: of the big banks. And you know, my husband and

926
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: I we were at lunch with a friend of ours

927
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: and and he's there and we're introducing them and realizing

928
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: they worked at the same bank. You know, both of

929
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: them are vps at the same bank. And oh, you

930
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: guys must already know each other. You're both at the

931
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: same and and and they didn't know each other. And

932
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: one of them laughs and says, you know, we might

933
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: all be black, and we might all be bankers, but

934
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: too many black people gathered in at the water cooler

935
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: makes a lot of our white colleagues nervous. And you know,

936
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: we laughed it off and it was like ha ha.

937
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: But later on it struck me that we have these

938
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: two examples of brilliant black men who have done everything

939
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: that we have asked of them. They've gone on to school,

940
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: they've got successful jobs, they're they're making their way, making

941
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: good money, donating to the community. And yet even with

942
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: being masters in their profession, they were limited in their

943
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: ability to even bring their requisite areas of of of

944
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: of expertise together to build something that our community could

945
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: benefit from. And right now we're in an area and

946
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: in an environment where you have, uh, the numbers of

947
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: our people who are in the criminal justice system or

948
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: criminal justice involved as compared to college students are comparable.

949
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: Right now, we have a reality where uh most of

950
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: us who are black professionals who are employed uh in

951
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: in white institutions and white owned spaces um, we're often

952
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: the last hired, which means that whenever rounds of of

953
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: of of reductions and force come about, we're often the

954
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: first fired. We are in an environment where we have

955
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: to sue corporate entities to hire enough of us, and

956
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: we have to hold over these corporate entities the threat

957
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: that by not hiring us and not having diverse workspaces,

958
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: they will then have to face some sort of of

959
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: accusations of discrimination. If we're talking about an economy that

960
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: is largely based on black students mastering the skills of whiteness,

961
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: that Latin, that Greek, learning how to present an a

962
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: way that's going to make our teachers believe in us

963
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: and not fear us by the time we transition from

964
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: the third grade of fourth grade, that year in between

965
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: where a lot of black boys go from being cute

966
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: little Tyrone so, oh my gosh, Tyrone is making me nervous.

967
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: You're so big and aggressive. Maybe you should be in

968
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: special Let right, we're have an environment where our economic

969
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: success models require black children to master white knowledge in

970
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: it and presents it in a way that is acceptable

971
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: to white people, so that we make them comfortable enough

972
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: that they will then hire us, give us entree into

973
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: their economics pathways to success. I think when we look

974
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: back at the history between the Boys and What and

975
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: Book or T Washington and and think about what lessons

976
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: we can learn from that, we need to be able

977
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: to use trade as well as academic pathways to success

978
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: in a way that is going to remove a lot

979
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: of the pressures that come from having to take the

980
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: only pathway to success that our community has largely blobbed onto,

981
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: which is making white people comfortable enough to work in

982
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: these spaces. We need trades. We need black plumbers right now.

983
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: I could be making six figures as a plumber, but

984
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: I was told I needed to master these particular skills.

985
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did. I'm glad I went to law school.

986
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: I'd be a terrible plumber. But the reality is there's

987
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: economic freedom in the trades. There's economic freedom and vocational pathways.

988
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: We don't all need to go to college. All of

989
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: us are not going to go to college. I want

990
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: my children to go yes. I hope they do go. Yes.

991
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: But I have to recognize that we are living in

992
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: an environment where we need both and it's not an

993
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: either or, and we have to be able to recognize

994
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: that there must be multiple pathways to success for our community,

995
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: because frankly, not all of these pathways are large enough

996
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: to hold all of the genius that we have. And

997
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: that's not the question that W. B. The Boars had

998
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: an issue with. His issue with book Rosington. You know,

999
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: this was he felt that he was very powerful, he

1000
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: had the ear, he had available to communicate and said

1001
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: we can do more. He he presented an example that's

1002
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: all we could do. All we can do is work

1003
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: with our hands. That was a struggle and that was

1004
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: the issue that he had in man. And I don't

1005
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: want to you know, this interview has more to talk

1006
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: about the book, something that happened many years ago, but

1007
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: I do want to make comment on something that you

1008
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: talked about your two VP prayans at the Brain who

1009
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: had never met. They were talking about too many black people.

1010
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: In nineteen six, I was still working at IBM as

1011
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: an executive and that was the same statement we will

1012
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: make in the eighty six And it's really tragic that

1013
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: thirty or four years later, in the conversation with you,

1014
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm he's having the same and he's their VPS. And

1015
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: so that means that within the corporate structure. The way

1016
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: you walk is still hasn't changed because you would say,

1017
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, jokes like you know, five black people together,

1018
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: that's a basketball team. You know, held up your brother,

1019
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: You need to you need to talk and pass at

1020
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: the same time, don't slow down, don't go to the

1021
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: bathroom at the same time. All those statements we made

1022
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six are being still being made today.

1023
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: But then we see that the white people are the

1024
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: white person feels they're becoming a minority, and so now

1025
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: they're troubled by this, and their trouble will die. The

1026
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: words like camps to culture when you talk about removing

1027
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: Confederate flags, and so you're you know, you executive director

1028
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: for Law and Social Justice. When you look at council

1029
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: culture being tied to the Confederacy, removal the flags, and

1030
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: we see people walk around here tearing down bills and

1031
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: putting up Confederate flags and want to keep them on

1032
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: their car, where do you stand and how does that

1033
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: make you feel? Well? You know, I believe that people

1034
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: use every opportunity that they can to show you who

1035
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: they really are. And when that happens, as the Great

1036
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: Maya Angelou and others have said we should believe them, right,

1037
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: And we got to remember the Confederate flag really was

1038
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: came back into American popular culture as a response to

1039
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: the civil rights movements, which were fighting for freedom for

1040
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: black people. They didn't you know, pop up spring up

1041
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: right after the Civil War. We really see them coming

1042
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: back to assist the growth of groups in the early

1043
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds like the Daughters of the Confederacy, like the

1044
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: Ku Klux Klan. We see these Federate statues going up

1045
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: in in states that had no connection to the Confederacy,

1046
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: some places that weren't even in existence when there was

1047
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: the Civil War. Uh, some states that weren't in existence

1048
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: and when there was a civil war. Yet they're putting

1049
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: up these Confederate statues and monuments not as an ode

1050
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: to history, all history, but as an ode to a

1051
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: particular angle of history um and as a way of centering. Uh.

1052
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: And then you know, we call it the Southern heritage. Yes,

1053
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: Southern heritage, which was centered on the preservation of slavery

1054
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: and the preservation of the social hierarchy um, which allowed

1055
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: slavery to continue. So we often think about slavery in

1056
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: terms of free labor, which it absolutely was, but slavery

1057
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: was also about the social status that white people held

1058
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: in a superior position over black people in an inferior position.

1059
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: So when it comes to cancel culture, you know, I'm

1060
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: a believer that cancel culture is really just people recognizing

1061
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: that there are sometimes you have to be accountable for

1062
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: the things that you've said, and there are people out

1063
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: there who agree or disagree, and if they disagree, they

1064
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: are no longer required to pay you attention. Um. And

1065
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: so I think that we should apply that same thing,

1066
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: uh to cancel culture, or to the Confederacy and and

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Speaker 1: the Confederate flag which we are now seeing waving everywhere,

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Speaker 1: including from inside the Capitol building, which is quite a

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Speaker 1: feat considering the rebels themselves were not able to accomplish that. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Now when we've talked about moving head and look at

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Speaker 1: the inauguration coming up um January twenty and you look

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Speaker 1: at so much that has happened in from the standpoint

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Speaker 1: of HBCUs. I guess being recognized because of the donations

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Speaker 1: that have come their way. Finally people feel their academic

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Speaker 1: institutions and maybe they won't sit around and talking about

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Speaker 1: do we should we send money over there? What are

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Speaker 1: they doing over there. They're educating the best students and

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Speaker 1: corporate leaders in America. That's what they're doing at HBCUs. Now,

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Speaker 1: when I talk about the inauguration, and you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm going to is Kamala Harris and her role. You're

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Speaker 1: an African American female. How do you put all this

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Speaker 1: in perspective? Ms? Daniel Favors. You know, it's interesting because

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Speaker 1: I often have conversations with my friends. You know, we

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Speaker 1: are now parents, right, so we all have kids, and

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Speaker 1: we're having these conversations about where we want to see

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Speaker 1: our children go to school. And I've noticed a shift

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Speaker 1: whereas at one point I had a lot of friends who,

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Speaker 1: you know, would sail. I would like for my kids to,

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Speaker 1: you know, to at least interview at at HBCU. They

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Speaker 1: should do a tour. But you know the p W

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Speaker 1: I is gonna prepare you for real life, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: I want them to go to a predominantly wide institution

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Speaker 1: because that's where they're gonna really learn how to get along.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna learn how to apply the skills in the

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Speaker 1: real world. And I think that Vice President Elect Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris HBCU grab UH newly elected Democrat senator from the

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Speaker 1: state of Georgia, Raphael Warnock, HBCU GRAB, the Queen of

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Speaker 1: the South, Stacy Abrams, HBCU Grad. I think these three

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Speaker 1: folks and so many more have completely put to death

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Speaker 1: the lie that an HBCU is not a healthy space

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Speaker 1: for black children to be educated. And so, you know,

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Speaker 1: I am thrilled about this shift in conversation, this paradigm shift.

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Speaker 1: You know, I I wanty oh my god, I want

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Speaker 1: to go to HBCU. So but ever since school days

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Speaker 1: in a different world, like what child growing up in

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Speaker 1: the eighties, did not want to go to hbc U.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't afford one, and p Wis gave me scholarship money,

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Speaker 1: which is where I went, Which is kind of how

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Speaker 1: we see a lot of these things happening. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned the donations that these colleges are getting. I

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Speaker 1: am so excited about what this means for expanding opportunities

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Speaker 1: for scholarship for black students. And I think that we're

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Speaker 1: seeing an increase in in donations to HBCUs from alum

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Speaker 1: and from those of us who were just looking from

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Speaker 1: the outside, looking in wave and wishing we could have

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Speaker 1: got in but recognizing the value of the institution. I

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Speaker 1: don't donate to my alma mater, my undergrad I donate

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Speaker 1: to HBCUs Um. And so I think that we are

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Speaker 1: seeing a real shift in an understanding about the importance

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Speaker 1: of centering ourselves, centering our discourse. And you know, even

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Speaker 1: our conversation earlier about the Boys versus Washington, we have

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Speaker 1: there's so much at excellence, and we have to have

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Speaker 1: a critical eye towards how we're moving and informed by history,

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Speaker 1: so we can look back and say, I understand what

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Speaker 1: the elder was doing. The elder was wrong in this

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Speaker 1: particular instance, but here's the nugget I can take out

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Speaker 1: of what he or she was advocating for, and here's

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Speaker 1: how we can plant that seed and water it differently

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Speaker 1: and nurture it differently and produce a different kind of tree.

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Speaker 1: And I think that what we're seeing right now. You know,

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Speaker 1: I believe firmly in the principle of sun Cofa, which

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Speaker 1: is a West African principle that says are it really

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Speaker 1: speaks to the point of beneath our history being centered

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Speaker 1: and revered because it informs our present and it lays

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Speaker 1: the pathways for us going forward, and the paradigm shift

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Speaker 1: that we are having right now is grounded on a

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Speaker 1: recognition that our past is our present. What we saw

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Speaker 1: happen then in Washington, d c U during the certification

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Speaker 1: of the vote, that is America's history front and center

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Speaker 1: in the present, and so we right now have a

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Speaker 1: phenomenal opportunity to center ourselves differently. We've got fifty seven

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Speaker 1: years of integrated American history that we can factor into

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Speaker 1: our analysis. That was data that our early ancestors and

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Speaker 1: newly freed enslaved persons didn't have. What can we do

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Speaker 1: with this information, What can we do with the expectations

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Speaker 1: that we have now? And how do we ensure that

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Speaker 1: we're creating a different set of opportunities for our children.

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Speaker 1: I think that conversation is wide open, and I am

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have Senator or Vice President Alex

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris sort of the symbol of that, because it

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Speaker 1: really does mean that we can now begin thinking in

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Speaker 1: different ways about not only what is power, but how

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01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: we choose to access it and what pathways we choose

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Speaker 1: to get there. She's an activist, she's a radio hope,

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Speaker 1: she's an author, she's an attorney. You know the great

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Speaker 1: thing about when I when I look at your plan.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I love you to death. I'm a fan. Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you animation, your animated behaved told I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, I'm always watching you morph into

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Speaker 1: an animated because you just so passion. But then you

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Speaker 1: delivered with such informed information. So I'm I'm really us

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Speaker 1: like to talk a lot more, but let me just

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Speaker 1: enjoy listening to you talk, because let's they say you're

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Speaker 1: spitting fire with information at tattoo and I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: break in with the water holes and drop all that

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Speaker 1: knowledge with some ignorance just because I feel like talking.

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Speaker 1: You're a special young lady. I'm glad. I hope you

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Speaker 1: consider coming back on the show because I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: create a vorce for HBCU. I'm trying to create a

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Speaker 1: varce for black people on platform where they can come

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Speaker 1: and speak and realize that you are stard. Not so

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Speaker 1: much that you know that the Densert Washington started. You know,

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Speaker 1: you are the new stars, the people who the people

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Speaker 1: who are moving information, the people who are moving values.

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Speaker 1: That's why it was really fun to have a really

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Speaker 1: soft debate with you about Bogat Washington, w b the boards,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I know you not you don't have that

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Speaker 1: much of that often because I realized that that's when

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Speaker 1: I go back when I talk about people who set

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Speaker 1: information for you. I didn't find that out until I

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Speaker 1: about Boogety Washington till was later in life. Because people

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Speaker 1: were delivering information that they felt was able to you

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Speaker 1: now as you and that's all you learn in African

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Speaker 1: American studies. Information is. And I will tell you this,

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Speaker 1: I was brought to tears when I realized what I

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Speaker 1: didn't know and what I was denied. I was denied

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to learn history because if you look at

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Speaker 1: history that they teach you in the traditional white schools

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Speaker 1: or they're all white schools, so just you and you're

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Speaker 1: under education is about they brought us over the enslavers,

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Speaker 1: they let us go free. Then they then they drop

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Speaker 1: all they jump past the Jim Crow and all that

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Speaker 1: violence they did when we had an opportunity to seed.

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Speaker 1: Then we get up to Brown versus the Board of Education.

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Speaker 1: Then we go that I had a dream speech. Then

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Speaker 1: we do a civil rights vote and that then Martin

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Speaker 1: Luther King assassination and they started talking about black people.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Let start talking about black people. And that's

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Speaker 1: what we have to do now, is talk about black people,

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Speaker 1: talk about why we have a right, and we start

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Speaker 1: talking about law and social justice. You are for your leader,

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Speaker 1: and I just wanted to bring on the show and

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Speaker 1: introduced with Sean McDonald to your world and that you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan and your special young lady. Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 1: That means a lot. I very much appreciate it. I

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Speaker 1: am honored to sit in this space. You have interviews

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Speaker 1: and had conversations with some of the most phenomenal people

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Speaker 1: in our community, and so it is. It's such an

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Speaker 1: honor for me to be here, and I cannot thank

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Speaker 1: you enough. I'm very grateful and appreciate it. Well, we'll talking.

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Speaker 1: So like I said, this world is not going to change,

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Speaker 1: hopefully it's not by words. But we still have a

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen out there. We still have issues on how

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Speaker 1: black people gonna accept forms of vaccination because again, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna last. Even though we were overtly effect I'll

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Speaker 1: still being overtly affected by COVID nineteen. But more importantly,

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Speaker 1: January Twina is going to change another lane. We had,

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Speaker 1: you know, President Obama when he came in. You know,

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Speaker 1: they blocked a lot of things that he wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: And he still gets shade because they feel like he

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Speaker 1: didn't do enough. But that's because people didn't know how

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Speaker 1: Congress work, how to send it work. But with Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden having a fifty fifty in the Senate, we already know.

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Speaker 1: Guess who could break that type breaker a black woman.

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Speaker 1: Come on, come on, thank you for coming on the show,

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Speaker 1: my friend, Thank you for having me. God musn't have

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Speaker 1: a great weekend and you talked. We talked to you

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Speaker 1: one of His name is Rob Hardy. He's a graduate

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Speaker 1: of fam Mute. He directs some of the TV's How

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Speaker 1: This shows, including Power Book two, Ghosts, Power Books three,

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Speaker 1: Star Girl, How to Get Away with Murder, The Flash,

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Speaker 1: Criminal Minds, among others. Rob Hardy also executive produced a

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Speaker 1: number of movies that you're familiar with, No Good Deeds,

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Speaker 1: Think like a Man, That's me Stump of Yard Plus.

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Speaker 1: His fund foundation identifies trains and mentors adults career seekers

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Speaker 1: from diverse background to pursue lucrative and lasting opportunities in

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Speaker 1: the charge of film and television workforce. Please welcome. He

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Speaker 1: was on my show before We got a little Fantastic,

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Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna do business in one Please

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Money making conversation that is Rob Hardy. Hey, Rob, Hey,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing? Hey? Rob? A lot to say

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Speaker 1: about you, Hey, happy one man, and listen. I I

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Speaker 1: appreciate all the shoutouts I do. Yeah. Well, you know

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Speaker 1: the thing about it, Rob, First of all, one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons I brought you on the show. First of all,

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Speaker 1: the first time I interviewed you was amazing because you

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Speaker 1: one of those those solid warriors. You know you're out there, man,

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Speaker 1: just flip the script you do. You're not just a

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Speaker 1: minority or black director. Your your resume inclusions are diverse

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01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: platform of sci fi, comedy, uh drama. How do you

1277
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: walk in all those different shoes. You know, it's uh,

1278
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm working, it's all about the story.

1279
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: And I love different types of stuff, you know what

1280
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So whether it is sci fi or team dramas,

1281
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 1: or drug dealers or relationships or doctors, I think that

1282
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's all about a human

1283
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: story and trying to figure out what that is. And

1284
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: then you get a chance to play in like the

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01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: different world. So today we're in space. You know, it's

1286
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: small ware in the South Bronx, so you know that

1287
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: and everything in between. I'm just I'm here for that.

1288
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: And it's amazing, uh, because I wanted to bring on

1289
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: the show because you know, it's amazing year COVID heads,

1290
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 1: civil arrests. But one jewel started shining in. That's HBCUs

1291
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: and you're an HBCU Alarm of the Infamous fam Meet

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01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely Man the Highest and Seven Hills located in sunny Tallahassee, Florida. Absolutely,

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01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm a family rattler and uh and that school has

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01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: been everything to me and it basically laid the foundation

1295
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: for me and a bunch of other people from our

1296
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: era to really come and uh and and try to

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01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: do our thing. So so I love family, Okay, cool?

1298
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,799
Speaker 1: So were originally from and how did you pick family

1299
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 1: to pursue your higher education. I grew up in Philadelphia,

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01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 1: philipp A. And um my mom wound up taking a

1301
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: job in Florida and she said, hey, you know, you

1302
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,560
Speaker 1: should apply to uh an inn State School so we

1303
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: could afford it, and so, um, I wound up getting

1304
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: the family that way. Um and you know, I had

1305
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: a degree and got a degree in engineering and it

1306
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: was probably like the best, one of the best experiences

1307
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: ever because it was so many you know, different types

1308
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: of people from all over the world that looked just

1309
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: like me, um that we're going to school, but they

1310
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: also had like a hustle and a passion, and it

1311
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: was just the vibe and the energy, you know, being

1312
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: in our school at that time that just made you

1313
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: want to go and make moose and we felt like,

1314
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, if anybody in the world was gonna do it,

1315
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: it was gonna be the Famu and that was gonna

1316
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: do it. That was kind of like the energy that

1317
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: that school gave us. We're really interesting, uh brob. I

1318
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 1: didn't go to a HBCU. A graduate from University of

1319
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 1: Houston and Houston, Texas, Texas Southern was right down the street.

1320
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: Further down the street was pre View the next day

1321
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: with Southern Grambling. But Famu Man has always had that mystique,

1322
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, put us in your shoes because I really

1323
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: need to know. I'm from the outside, and I get

1324
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 1: excited when I say fam mute why because you know,

1325
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: Famu was a unique place or is a unique place,

1326
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: because it's always been the family, you swag, the family

1327
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: you hustle, and you know, we always kind of felt

1328
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 1: like when you go to fam yeah, you've got this

1329
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: major whatever that is, but then what's your hustle, what's

1330
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: your passion? Like, what do you really want to do?

1331
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: And everybody has some version of that, right And we

1332
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,839
Speaker 1: were cool so we could go, we could we could study,

1333
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 1: we could party, we could hang out and do everything

1334
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 1: in between. But there was always this kind of undercurrent

1335
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: of I want to do something, I want to change

1336
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 1: the world, I want to make something happen. And we

1337
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: were always doing that at school. And you know, so

1338
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: many of my friends when I look out, they're out

1339
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: there making it happen. And also too, because you know,

1340
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: we were state school, so it wasn't like you know

1341
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 1: some of the other HBCUs that were kind of like,

1342
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, annoyed or the Crown Jewels or whatever. Family

1343
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: we were, we were always you know, solid uh you know,

1344
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: and always were respective, and we always felt like we

1345
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: were outsiders kind of and we love that. And so

1346
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: because of that, it gave us a different kind of edge.

1347
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: So when we broke into the industry, we took that

1348
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: family attitude with us to say, hey, we Ratlers were here,

1349
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: and we're gonna bring some other ratlers with us. And

1350
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: so we were like, you know, your cool cousins that

1351
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 1: come around and make the party lib. That's that's kind

1352
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: of you know, how we were and how we still are. Well,

1353
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: you know the funny part about this, the more you talk, man,

1354
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 1: the more animated you become. Your smile get bigger, and

1355
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: you get the bouncing you know, like a boxer. It's listen,

1356
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: it's just something and you the more you talk about it,

1357
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: you just saill that. So I just, um, you know,

1358
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: any time I get a chance to show off my school,

1359
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, I always always got to do that. We

1360
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: know the interesting thing about it, I know how college

1361
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 1: played the role in my life. I always tell people

1362
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now is what I did when I

1363
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: was in college. You know, production and the live events.

1364
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,799
Speaker 1: All those things were nurtured in college and in college,

1365
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: like your degree is an engineering, but now you're a

1366
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: director entertainment. And you met him Will Packer there and

1367
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: he was his degree is not an entertainment related field either.

1368
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: So how did that relationship come about? And led to

1369
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: stump to y'all? So, uh, Will and I met at

1370
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: a at a pre college engineering program called e C

1371
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: I at FAM You. And so it's like right before

1372
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 1: our freshman year, they bringing all these engineering students that

1373
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: are going to be going to the school. And you know,

1374
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: I was a guy that thought I was going to

1375
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: another school but didn't get the money. He thought he

1376
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: was going to another school but didn't get the money.

1377
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: We wound up at FAM You and we became fast friends.

1378
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: And what came out over are hanging out over that

1379
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: summer was that I wanted to be the filmmaker. I

1380
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 1: was a big Spike Lee and John Silson and Robert

1381
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 1: Townsing fan, and he wanted to be a businessman, a

1382
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: businessman and have his own business. So just as we

1383
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: were hanging out and being friends and then we became

1384
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 1: lion brothers. Um, we're both alpha's. Um. Then when I

1385
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,040
Speaker 1: wound up seeing Menises Society, uh, you know, because that

1386
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 1: was the big movie in theaters, a few friends of

1387
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: mine were like, well, hey, since you did a small

1388
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 1: movie in high school, you ought to do something here.

1389
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 1: And then that gave Will and I a chance to

1390
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: do a project together at FAM. And that project was

1391
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: called Chocolate City, Um, you know, and it was it

1392
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: was a big deal for us because we were historically

1393
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 1: black college with no film program, and so it kind

1394
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: of became our thing. And when we you know, put

1395
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: it out there and hustled it into a video deal.

1396
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: Ten years later, after we shot that movie, relatively we

1397
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 1: got a chance to shoot Stump the Yard um in

1398
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: Atlanta at Morris Brown a little bit over at more

1399
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: House and Clark Atlanta, And it was just so crazy,

1400
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: like ten years of us kind of being out there

1401
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: on the grind to be doing an HBCU movie that

1402
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: Sony was paying for and it was like Chris Brown's

1403
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: first movie. It was the movie that really put Columbus

1404
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: Short on the map, even though he was a great actor,

1405
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: and just to be able to do that and have

1406
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: so many of our friends behind the scenes and being

1407
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: able to celebrate our culture. And then you know, it

1408
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 1: was number one two weeks in a row. It was

1409
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: just a real, you know, special moment, and it was

1410
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,799
Speaker 1: like our you know, tipping the hats to our schools.

1411
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting because I told Willis story

1412
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: the first time I told the User story because I

1413
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: was executive producer co creator Steve Harvey Morting show was

1414
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: in New York and when it came out, you know,

1415
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: I was telling Steve this stump the yard movie man

1416
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 1: some brothers, and I didn't know you guys, accept I said,

1417
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: we gotta keep this movie number one, man. And and

1418
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: it's really interesting that the love I had for you

1419
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: guys and what you were doing that years later you

1420
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: come back into our lives and do think like a

1421
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: man the author's book, Act like a lady, think like

1422
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: a man. And so that's really amazing. Man. It's about

1423
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: when you when you love something and you see something special,

1424
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: and you guys were doing something specially. You're still doing

1425
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 1: special things today. But again I always tell people, it's

1426
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: not always about the money. It's about the opportunity and

1427
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 1: the relationship. And that's really a testament to your career.

1428
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:11,440
Speaker 1: Correct wrong, Well, listen, Well, first of all, we appreciate

1429
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 1: and I personally appreciate you know, uh, the shout out

1430
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 1: and the love you know that y'all gave us to

1431
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 1: help push that movie. That means a lot, you know. Um.

1432
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: And it's funny how those things come back around because

1433
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: we really love that book. And you know, I definitely

1434
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:27,679
Speaker 1: got to give a shout out to my wife because

1435
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: she was the first one to come talking to me

1436
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: about that book, like, Hey, everybody's talking about this and

1437
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: we love the book, and you got to turn this

1438
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,560
Speaker 1: into a movie and so on and so forth, and

1439
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that over time that that that that

1440
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: worked out. But you're absolutely right. I think a lot

1441
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: of times, you know, when we do things for the love,

1442
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: when we do things with the right spirit, the money comes,

1443
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And it just feels different.

1444
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 1: And whether you're doing something just for money or doing

1445
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: something because you love it, the grind and the work

1446
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: is gonna be hard regardless, so you might as l

1447
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: grind and work hard for something that you love, so

1448
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: then that when that payoff happens, it's gonna feel a

1449
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 1: lot different. Than if you're just doing something for a check,

1450
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and and and the interesting thing

1451
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: about you've always had uh HBCU flavor and your production

1452
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: like the crowd that you did t you with my girl,

1453
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 1: Felicia Henderson, I called my baby sister and h you

1454
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 1: know when I when I when I look at what

1455
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: you're doing in sports with all American you know again, Frob,

1456
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: your gifts man so diverse. How as a director, you know,

1457
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 1: people just want to do Some people are just a

1458
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: sitcom director, some people just a sci fi big explosions dramas.

1459
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: How are you able to manipulate that level of creative

1460
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: creativity in your mind? Um? You know, because I love

1461
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: I love a lot of different types of things, you know. Uh.

1462
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 1: And you know I would do the sci fi stuff

1463
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 1: with my dad when I was little and we would

1464
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 1: watch the Star Wars and star tracks, and then you know,

1465
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: I got more into you know, stuff that looks like

1466
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 1: my neighborhood as as we got older, you know. Um,

1467
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: and just and just being able to try to relate

1468
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: and make and make the characters relatable, you know what

1469
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I kind of feel like, you know,

1470
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 1: I want us to be able to do stuff that

1471
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 1: we go and we go to the big movies and

1472
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 1: see and say, what, shoot, why can't we do the

1473
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 1: sci fi and tell this story but also make it

1474
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: authentic to our people. So that way, it's not like

1475
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: the character or the black character is just there to

1476
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: be supportive or just there to say, hey man, let

1477
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: me get let me pick you up, but to be

1478
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,480
Speaker 1: able to say, I have you know, dreams and aspirations.

1479
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm heroic. Also I have a love life too, so

1480
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: I want to be able to try to help, you know,

1481
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 1: tell those stories too. Were related to my degree? Isn't

1482
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: mathematics and my mind and sociology? So I'm not doing

1483
01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 1: nothing tied to my degree. I've done sitcom as a writer,

1484
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: produced them, created them reality shows, but I never directed anything, Rob,

1485
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 1: What does a director do? And how did how could

1486
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: you become a director? So? Um? As a as a

1487
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 1: sports fan our related like this. A director is like

1488
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: the coach of the team. You designed the place and

1489
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: then put your actors in the best position to execute

1490
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: and win or do a good project. That's what the

1491
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 1: director does. Um. So it's kind of like the head

1492
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: coach of the team and the producers the general manager

1493
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: the GM. You know, they'll hire me or they'll hire

1494
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: the coach um. So you know, I love that because

1495
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 1: it gives me the opportunity to, you know, interact with

1496
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: people and talk to them and try and try to

1497
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,600
Speaker 1: fit try to get you the truth of the situation

1498
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 1: so they can so we can feel as real to

1499
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 1: them and as relatable as possible to them. So that

1500
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: way the audience feels something right, because if you just

1501
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: watch a movie or watch the TV show and you

1502
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: don't feel anything, then we just wasted your time. But

1503
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: even if you feel mad, sad, laugh, whatever it is,

1504
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: you feel something, then you know it was worth the

1505
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: time that you gave us, you know, to to watch

1506
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 1: our show. Well, you know there's that's amazing just watching

1507
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: your talents and the break. So let me slow it down. Man.

1508
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: I saw the finale A power Book two Ghosts. I

1509
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: would tell you so, man, I didn't see this coming

1510
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 1: in this series. I didn't see that I would be

1511
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: spitting my Sunday nights watching pop. I just didn't see

1512
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: it because when it came out, I heard your storyline

1513
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: drug dealer, club owner. You know, I went, I ain't

1514
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 1: watching that. I ain't watching that I ain't watch. Sounds

1515
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: like a bad rap video that I don't want to watch.

1516
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: But what makes what made it? Because I want to

1517
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: go back to win the beginning, because you were there

1518
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 1: at the beginning and you've been there to the whole process,

1519
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: all the job. If I said that, and because you

1520
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:06,560
Speaker 1: did the finale of Paul book to Ghosts, what makes that?

1521
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: What makes that series work? So you know, I think

1522
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: what makes the Power series work is on the fundamental level,

1523
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: it's really relatable. So in the original Power series, you

1524
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: had a guy that grew up a certain way ghosts

1525
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: and he did what he had to do given his options.

1526
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 1: So he was a drug dealer and he had his

1527
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 1: best friend that was along with him. And then he

1528
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: gets to a place to where he wants to make

1529
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: a change in his life and do something different, going

1530
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: to clubs. But he's got his you know, his wife

1531
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: and his best friends, last business partner that don't want

1532
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 1: him to change. And then he meets this other woman

1533
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: who to him, represents the change that he can be.

1534
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: And that's the fundamental of it all is trying to

1535
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: figure out how do I transition into who I want

1536
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: to be when the people around me are saying all

1537
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 1: you can be as this, and I think there's something

1538
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 1: like that from a huge from a humanity standpoint that's

1539
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 1: really relatable as we're different parts, you know, positions in

1540
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: our lives where maybe you want to do something different

1541
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 1: than your family's a customer you're doing, or your friends

1542
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:15,640
Speaker 1: are a customer you're doing, and you want to transition,

1543
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 1: and here's this guy and it leads to one bad

1544
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: decision after another bad decision, and I think we get

1545
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: caught up in that and that's the foundation of that

1546
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 1: is what makes power amazing. And then it's in the

1547
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 1: world of clubs and drug dealers and stuff and toys

1548
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: and murder, which makes it cool. And so this is

1549
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: like the derrib you know, this the Ghost series. It's

1550
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 1: like part two of that. So that it was created

1551
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 1: by Courtney kemp uh and fifty cent and just how

1552
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: they you know, interwe with the stories has been pretty amazing.

1553
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: Um and they're really smart people. UM. So being a

1554
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: part that's been cool and it's been stuff that just

1555
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, as a forty something year old guy I

1556
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 1: can relate to on a lot of different levels and

1557
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,919
Speaker 1: so many other people. Here's the thing about this series

1558
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 1: you know, the Fast and Furious series works because it's

1559
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: about family, you know what I'm saying. And then I

1560
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: equate that same thing with the Power series. He just

1561
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: wants to be a good dad, but so many elements

1562
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:16,679
Speaker 1: stop him. His lifestyle stops him. His personal won't stop him.

1563
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: And that's really what drives even to move. You know.

1564
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: He wants to be a good husband, but then again

1565
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 1: he meets the love for his life. He wants to

1566
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 1: be a good father, but then the lifestyle he lives,

1567
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 1: you know, that's not gonna end good. You can't parent

1568
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 1: that life, you know, because you're gonna walk yourself right

1569
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: into that danger zone. But I did not see that

1570
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: young man who plays his son become the star that

1571
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: he is today. He's incredible, man, Yeah, he really is.

1572
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 1: Uh Michael Rainey Jr. Shout out to him. I just

1573
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: watched his evolution and growth as an act round. You know,

1574
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:53,520
Speaker 1: when I came on and started working on the original

1575
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 1: Power Show season two, and just his role was a

1576
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:00,080
Speaker 1: lot smaller as far as the amount of stuff he

1577
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 1: had to do, and it's grown, and just working on

1578
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 1: the Ghost finale, Um, just watching his range just changed

1579
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 1: as an actor, you know, and how much more confidence

1580
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: that he has. Um has been pretty amazing to watch.

1581
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 1: And it's cool because it's like, you know, for him

1582
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 1: as a character, you know he's doing the best that

1583
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: he can, but now you know, you're trying to lead.

1584
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: You know, your father wants to keep you out of that,

1585
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: out of that business, but that's a part of his

1586
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 1: life and the people that he's you know around, you know,

1587
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 1: our killers and drug dealers, so some of that stuff

1588
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: rubs off on him. So it's kind of you know,

1589
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: uh interesting that you work your whole life to keep

1590
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: your kids from certain things, but because of how you

1591
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 1: do things, sometimes sometimes that stuff comes back. And I

1592
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: think that that makes it that makes me good to easy.

1593
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 1: You have not seen the finale. Check out the final.

1594
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: But here's the thing about Michael's character, because, like I said,

1595
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 1: it was small, he was weasually. But the episode where

1596
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: his sister was murdered, Yeah, I think to me was

1597
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 1: a turning point for his character because for me as

1598
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 1: a person, I became engaged. I hated him, you know,

1599
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: I did. I was disappointed in him, but I couldn't

1600
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: I hate too strong. I was disappointed because he was young.

1601
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 1: You can't hate a young person, because you make mistakes

1602
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: when you're young, and that point on his character development,

1603
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: he exploded, Man, when we look at who's our next

1604
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: den Sail, who's our next Samuel Man, he's on the

1605
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: radar to be that dude. He's on the radar. You know,

1606
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's so interesting hearing you say that, because

1607
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I think that everything is fun in

1608
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 1: games until somebody gets seriously hurt or killed or gets

1609
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 1: locked up for a long time or something that we did.

1610
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,879
Speaker 1: Now it's real. So I think that all the misfit

1611
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 1: like stuff that he was doing, the rebellious type stuff

1612
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: that he was doing as a as a kid rebelling

1613
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: against his parents, um changed when his sister died. Especially

1614
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: knowing that that bullet should have been for him, made

1615
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: him a different person because now you you you've crossed

1616
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 1: an invisible line and you can never come back. The

1617
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 1: only next logical step for him was to physically go

1618
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, get retribution, kill the guy

1619
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: that that shot his sister. And once that line was crossed,

1620
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: it was he can't go back. You know, he opened

1621
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: the Indoora's box. And so I think that there's like

1622
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,599
Speaker 1: everything else as a result of that has been him

1623
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 1: growing into that new person so character. But the opening

1624
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: the pilot of Power, Ghost character looking good, innocent looking

1625
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 1: in the sense that he looked like he could be

1626
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,759
Speaker 1: running the Fortune five on the company and he kills

1627
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 1: somebody in that pilot set the tone for the evolution

1628
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: of his son in the in the series for Noale

1629
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,799
Speaker 1: and you know, he said some things and some phrases

1630
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: in there that really signifies that I can't wait too,

1631
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 1: I can't wait till the next episode. You know. That's

1632
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: a great story when you when you when you're sitting

1633
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 1: up there going, hey, man, this over with me. I

1634
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: didn't see another episode. And that's what you did last

1635
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: night in the finale. Man. The finale that you that

1636
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 1: aired on Sunday night was amazing. Man. Congratulations, Man, I

1637
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 1: appreciate that. I'm really glad that you uh that she

1638
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 1: doug it and yeah, he's right. I agree. Listen to

1639
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 1: the pilot to Power. I thought was was really amazing

1640
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,639
Speaker 1: to like bring you into that world and it's crazy.

1641
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah Ghost, we met Ghost there and that's where he

1642
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 1: left us, you know, in that same club. It's amazing.

1643
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 1: And now let's talk about some other things. Outside of Power,

1644
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 1: you know, the hardy your Rainforest Entertainment just partnering with

1645
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 1: lions Gate TV for a first look production here what

1646
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 1: exactly is that? So, what it is is that we

1647
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 1: have a production deal with lions Gate UH ind of

1648
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 1: episodes specifically, so in the episode is the company's Courtney

1649
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: Kemp's UH company and she's the creator of Power. So

1650
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: that means that we're partnering with to develop content. And

1651
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 1: so first look means that my company, uh, Rainforest Entertainment,

1652
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 1: and I have a partner in my company from family

1653
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 1: Mitsy Miller um who used to be editor in chief

1654
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: over at every each that uh. And so we'll have

1655
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 1: projects that we develop and then once we take that

1656
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 1: to end of episode, lions Gate, if they want to

1657
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: partner with us on it, then we'll be business partners

1658
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 1: and we'll package it and try to sell the projects.

1659
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 1: If not, then we're free and clear to take it

1660
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 1: anywhere that we want and get it set up. So um,

1661
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:37,839
Speaker 1: you know, it's a big deal for us as a company. UM.

1662
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 1: And so we're really excited about one. You know, the

1663
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 1: really interesting thing about my show money making conversation is

1664
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: that and then you have the same personality. Rob You know,

1665
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 1: you just help people, be helping them. And but in

1666
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: the way we've learned that that's been mentorship. That means

1667
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 1: that not afraid of competition. You know, I always tell people,

1668
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 1: if I give you an idea and you make a

1669
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 1: million dollars, I'm happy because that was an idea that

1670
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,559
Speaker 1: obviously had no value to me. I couldn't do anything

1671
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 1: with it. And so you've established that with your foundation.

1672
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: You and your wife have established the foundation to train,

1673
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 1: mentor and give people careers in this and there is

1674
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 1: a Lucratode film and TV business in Georgia. Tell us

1675
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,679
Speaker 1: about that foundation. So, UM, we have a company called

1676
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 1: our foundation called UM the Robin Shawn Hardy Amazing Stories Foundation.

1677
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 1: So my my wife and I UH created the foundation

1678
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 1: and the whole purpose of it is to train people

1679
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: from our communities in the Atlanta metro area. UM, how

1680
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 1: to get you know, production jobs on sets for TV

1681
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,639
Speaker 1: and moves. But this is these are what we call

1682
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: below the line positions. So it's not stuff like directors, writers, producers,

1683
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 1: but it's everything from transportation to cameras and special effects,

1684
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 1: hair makeup. UM. So a young lady, Nina Packer, another

1685
01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: family one runs the foundation, and um, we partnered with

1686
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: the city of East Point. Um who's mayor. Dina Ingram

1687
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 1: is another family one. Uh you know, you see like

1688
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 1: the trend here and uh we did uh two, we've

1689
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 1: done two seasons of it, so we've basically gone out,

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01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 1: found people, trained them, put them on sets, um, and

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Speaker 1: a bunch of those people have gotten full time jobs

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Speaker 1: working on TV and movie sets. So we have people

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Speaker 1: right now on shows like Black Lightning and Dynasty, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, and shows like that. UM. So it's a

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Speaker 1: really big deal because, especially living in Atlanta, a lot

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Speaker 1: of producers would come here and you go on the

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Speaker 1: sets and they wouldn't have a whole lot of diversity

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. It wouldn't be a whole lot of

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01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: people that look like us. And they kept saying, well,

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01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 1: we can't find the people. There's no trained people. So

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01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:53,520
Speaker 1: my thought was, Okay, well, then we'll create a pipeline.

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Speaker 1: We'll create an avenue to where my cousin, your cousin

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01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 1: that lives in our city can get some training and

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01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: they can drive a truck, they can cook some food,

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01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 1: they can carry some cable, they can do whatever. And

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01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: then with that they can get a career with a pension, uh,

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01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 1: with some health insurance, and then they can show other

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01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 1: people in our communities that this industry, this multi billion

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Speaker 1: dollar industry is for us to wow. Well, you know

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Speaker 1: I I first of all, you know the only thing

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Speaker 1: wrong with this end ofview man, because I'm a remember

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Speaker 1: Omega sci Fire and you keeping alpha. You know, I

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Speaker 1: got respect for the alpha, but you can't be saying

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Speaker 1: at two minute times on my self. Hey well, I'm

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01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:43,719
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. Look, my dad, my dad, UH wasn't Omega.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And I I said, I said, listen,

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Speaker 1: things get better with time. So you know, you know

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Speaker 1: you trained me up, gave me all your gifts so

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Speaker 1: that way I can I can take this thing the

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Speaker 1: greater heights. And that's what I did. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. So hey here we yea, I did a

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Speaker 1: little I did a little background tep. But bro Man.

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Speaker 1: First of all, the first time with mat Man, we

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Speaker 1: was gonna connect the pandemic blue everything. But this year, man,

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Speaker 1: you know what I talked about before this call. Uh

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Speaker 1: you you you're amazing, and we're going to do business

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Speaker 1: in twenty one and uh and carry some of these

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Speaker 1: visions and these these skill sets that you have to

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Speaker 1: the next level. And uh I drop bought the building

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, So I want to invite you by your

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Speaker 1: WiFi so we can sit down and talk. Because I

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Speaker 1: got some local productions. I'm gonna be doing that. I

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Speaker 1: like to be able to bring some of your some

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Speaker 1: of the individuals over here and work them and matriculate

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Speaker 1: them into our programs that we're trying to do. Because again,

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Speaker 1: if you don't have a resume in the business, you

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01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 1: don't have an opportunity. And that's all you about. That's

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Speaker 1: all I'm about. Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations.

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01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me man as always. Man, it's

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Speaker 1: good to see you keep representing and doing your things

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Speaker 1: in machines Hi Rashan McDonald, the host of Money Making

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Speaker 1: Conversations The Cafe Macha Swag Award is a celebration of

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Speaker 1: Black men who are making a difference in our community

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Speaker 1: by empowering others to reach their life goals, from civic leaders, businessmen, activists,

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Speaker 1: celebrities and everyday dads. The Cafe Macha Swag Award winner

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Speaker 1: this week is Cedric the Entertainer. Cedric was taught by

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Speaker 1: his mother to go forth and do great things and

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Speaker 1: therefore created to Cedric the entertain a charitable foundation to

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Speaker 1: help young people achieve their drink. I've been doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of philanthropic work. We got a great women's health

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Speaker 1: facility that I got named after my mom at a

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Speaker 1: great hospital where we do a lot of women's health work.

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Speaker 1: We've been doing it the last five years, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of a lot of scholarships, a

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Speaker 1: lot of kids to college. So for the city to

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Speaker 1: recognize me for those kind of works and name a

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Speaker 1: Swag Award represents men that have strength, that vision is assertive,

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Speaker 1: and they are genuine and their spirit Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: money making Conversations. I'm your host, Sean McDonald. My next

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Speaker 1: Years understands committed effort. That's what she does. She publicizes

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Speaker 1: everybody committed effort and for that purpose, I'm bringing on

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Speaker 1: this show because she truly it's a person who talks

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Speaker 1: about everybody for very little information about her is known.

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Speaker 1: My next guest is Alonda Thomas. She says as the

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Speaker 1: director of public relations at Howard University. She's recently named

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Speaker 1: the Top Women in PR by PR News. She has

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Speaker 1: worked at three historically black colleges uni versus, including her

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01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 1: alma mater, Fam Mute, and her current role at Howard University.

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Speaker 1: Alonda has led the public relations strategy for a number

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Speaker 1: of clients including TV one That's where I met her,

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Speaker 1: ABC Network, CNN, All Disney Studios, and Fox cert Light

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Speaker 1: First Fox search Light excuse me. She's listened to one

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Speaker 1: of the top twenty five African American PR millennials to watch,

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Speaker 1: and helf of them posts please work with the money

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Speaker 1: making conversation. I've settled all of life things about her,

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Speaker 1: Miss Alonda Thomas. Thank you, Sean. I appreciate you having

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Speaker 1: me on the show. Well did I get enough information

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01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 1: out about you that I set it up right for you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It was like a walk down the Relaye listening to

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Speaker 1: all of those accolades, but many relays like when there's

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01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 1: way in the past these accolades, the accolades are that

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01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking about eighteen, meaning did you build a momentum

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01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:55,679
Speaker 1: in your career and it's only going to get bigger.

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Speaker 1: Talk about Let's let's talk about first of all, your

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01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 1: HBCU experience, because in we all know that for some

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01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 1: reason it came to the forefront. A lot of large

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Speaker 1: donations were made to HBCU schools. It was like White

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Speaker 1: America discovered it for the very first time. The HBCUs exist.

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Speaker 1: And you and I both know the contributions to hbc

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Speaker 1: you make, to the academic to the stamp community, to

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Speaker 1: the medical community, legal and political community is tremendous. So

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Speaker 1: talk about you influence, the influence HBCUs had you academically,

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Speaker 1: and why you went there. Yes, well, I got my

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Speaker 1: career or my education started at Florida A and M University,

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Speaker 1: which is where I had my first taste of getting

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Speaker 1: into public relations. I was fortunate enough to be a

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Speaker 1: student intern working in the Office of Communications there and

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01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:46,599
Speaker 1: met Sharon Saunders, who really became a mentor for me

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Speaker 1: and helped me learn the craft while I was studying

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Speaker 1: the craft in school. UM. She is the person who

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01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 1: also helped me get my first job out of school.

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01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:58,800
Speaker 1: I became a communication specialist under her working at North

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01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:02,559
Speaker 1: Carolina Central Universe City and got to spend almost three

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Speaker 1: years creating and writing every UH press release that came

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01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 1: out of that institution UM, and it really just solidified

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Speaker 1: for me the importance of being able to tell our

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Speaker 1: own stories properly and appropriately to the media in order

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Speaker 1: to use their platforms to leverage the success of an

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Speaker 1: institution to tell our stories, to make sure that the

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Speaker 1: experts that are coming out of that institution doing research

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01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:30,600
Speaker 1: are known to the to the greater public. UM, it

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01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:34,600
Speaker 1: helps to promote the interests of students coming into that institution.

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01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 1: And so, even though I still had an interest in

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Speaker 1: getting into entertainment PR, when I was asked years later

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Speaker 1: by Miss Honors to go back UM and work for

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01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:46,759
Speaker 1: her again, but this time at Florida and M University, UM,

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01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 1: it was definitely something that I just couldn't say no to.

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01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 1: And then, of course, when the opportunity came up years

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01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 1: later to leave TV one and go to work at

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01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 1: Howard University again, it was something that I definitely didn't

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01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 1: mind doing because I feel so passionately and strongly about

1849
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:06,560
Speaker 1: making sure that our HBC use, our our precious treasures,

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01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to get our message out to the

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Speaker 1: greater world. For family. For you, there's a lot of

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01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:16,679
Speaker 1: schools you could have went to for our family, UM

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01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 1: family was a family school. My father had gone to

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Speaker 1: both ba Thoon Cookman and Florida and M University, and

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01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 1: UH I hadn't spent as much time at Florida and

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01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 1: M so it was still mysterious to me. So when

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01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go to one of the other came up,

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01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:31,720
Speaker 1: I said, I definitely want to go to Famie. It's

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01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 1: a little farther away from my hometown in Miami, Florida, UM,

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01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:38,439
Speaker 1: and I just was ready for that opportunity to branch

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01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 1: out on my own and had my own new experiences

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Speaker 1: as a young adult. And it definitely it did not

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Speaker 1: disappoint UM. Some of the cultural experiences that I got

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Speaker 1: to have their attending the convocations and hearing from renowned

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Speaker 1: speakers coming to campus. UM, those are some of the

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Speaker 1: things that UH you experience that HBCUs that really helped

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01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: to shape and frame who you are as a person,

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01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:06,480
Speaker 1: understanding your identity and your background and and the significance

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01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 1: of our culture and our legacy. UM. And it's just

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01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:12,280
Speaker 1: carried with me throughout my life in the different places

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01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:14,719
Speaker 1: that I've been able to work and being at Howard

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01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:18,559
Speaker 1: University now, UM that continues. Helping to make sure that

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01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 1: students understand the great breadth of things that we accomplish

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01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 1: at these institutions is very important to me, and so

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01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:29,639
Speaker 1: I feel it's much of an honor to be able

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01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:32,599
Speaker 1: to do that every day, helping to tell our stories

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01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 1: and if possible, getting them onto national outlets so that UM,

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01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 1: everyone whether they're interested in h b c U s

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01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 1: or thinking about places where they can donate their money

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01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 1: where it's gonna make a significant difference. UM, it's very important,

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Speaker 1: you know. Being I've been in entertainment, so PR pr

1882
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:54,880
Speaker 1: agencies have always been a mainstay of my relationship with entertainment.

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01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:57,719
Speaker 1: I'll run into a lot of people, young people, people

1884
01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 1: who are already been stabblished talking about the roles of

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01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 1: the PR company or the PR person. You are director

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Speaker 1: of Public Relations currently at Howard University. Can you help

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01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 1: some of my listeners who are interested in going into

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01:48:09,160 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 1: the field of public relations. How does that, how does

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01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 1: it work, and how can one try establishing their their

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01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:19,480
Speaker 1: feet in the business. Yeah, well, I would certainly recommend

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01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:24,280
Speaker 1: UM training UM. Getting that college education at a journalism

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01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 1: school that specializes in public relations like Florida and m

1893
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:31,720
Speaker 1: did or the Communication School at Howard University, which is

1894
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:35,800
Speaker 1: named after Kathy Hughes, one of the legendary women UM

1895
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:39,800
Speaker 1: in the broadcast industry is important because you'll get the

1896
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:43,520
Speaker 1: tools there to learn how to write press releases, articles,

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01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:46,559
Speaker 1: to learn how to pitch media, to look at the

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01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 1: news in a different way, to figure out, you know,

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Speaker 1: why are they speaking to that particular person today that

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01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 1: that just happened by happenstance, if there's somebody actually bring

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Speaker 1: this person in this message to their attention, and that's

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Speaker 1: what a PR person and does behind the scenes. It's

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01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 1: helped get those stories, whether it's various experts in the

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01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:10,840
Speaker 1: world of vaccines right now as everybody is being very

1905
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:14,240
Speaker 1: conscious about whether or not they should be taking that UM.

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01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 1: Those are the things that a publicist can do to

1907
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 1: make sure that the right influencers are connected with the

1908
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 1: right media outlets in order to be able to tell

1909
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Speaker 1: a positive story because you said something in your statement

1910
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Speaker 1: about the story telling the right story telling us. There's

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01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:34,720
Speaker 1: so many stories that are that that would mask me

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Speaker 1: that you have Fox story, Fox News story, you have

1913
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:40,839
Speaker 1: to see an n story, you have the BBC story,

1914
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 1: you have the MSNBC story, and all of them seemed

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Speaker 1: to be leaning on a particular audience that they're trying

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01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:51,400
Speaker 1: to reach. As in your case, I'm assuming you're trying

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Speaker 1: to reach the African American audience. Are you just trying

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01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 1: to reach our diverse audience When you do public relationships

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01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:01,600
Speaker 1: for Howard University, well, I look at it as a

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01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:05,120
Speaker 1: variety of stakeholders that we have at the institution. First

1921
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 1: and foremost are current and existing students UM being able

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01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 1: to make sure that we're continuing to communicate with them

1923
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 1: throughout their matriculation because they too need to be aware

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01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:17,960
Speaker 1: of all of the great things that are happening at

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01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 1: the institution. Prospective students UM helping them to see profiles

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Speaker 1: on our students who are doing really well, who are

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01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 1: achieving wrangle UM fellowship opportunities. UM. It's important for us

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01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:32,440
Speaker 1: to get out there so that they can envision themselves

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01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 1: in those roles and then when you look at the

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01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 1: different schools and colleges, UH, each of those have stories

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Speaker 1: that they want to tell. UM. We are one of

1932
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:44,679
Speaker 1: the only one of four HBCUs that has a medical college,

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01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:47,759
Speaker 1: and so UM it's important for us to be able

1934
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:51,519
Speaker 1: to UM emphasize the importance of black doctors. There's certainly,

1935
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 1: UM not enough of them. And when you think of

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01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:57,439
Speaker 1: the fact that the majority of black doctors are coming

1937
01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:00,760
Speaker 1: out of four institutions across the world, and just demonstrates

1938
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 1: for you how important the role we play UM in

1939
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 1: that field and in that industry. And recently we were

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01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 1: able to come on the radar of a Mike Bloomberg

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01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:14,400
Speaker 1: who was able to donate to our institution. So he's

1942
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 1: going to be helping those students UM financially be able

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01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:22,200
Speaker 1: to get through college, which is extremely important. Well also

1944
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 1: internship programs and potential hiring opportunities. It's really what we're

1945
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,759
Speaker 1: trying to communicate when we're talking about going to college

1946
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 1: getting a degree, and it's such a difficult field. Pr

1947
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 1: is it's like all fields, great opportunity for very difficult

1948
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Speaker 1: I'll ask you this question, it is a is b

1949
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Speaker 1: R a business for the young or the experienced. Well.

1950
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:50,120
Speaker 1: One of the things that drew me to the field

1951
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 1: is UM. I felt that I was a strong writer,

1952
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:54,880
Speaker 1: and a friend of mine suggested that I try a

1953
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 1: public relations course. I actually started off school UM looking

1954
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:02,240
Speaker 1: at going into broad cash journalism UM, but I took

1955
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:04,639
Speaker 1: up PR one oh one course and was hooked from

1956
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 1: there because I found it interesting to be able to

1957
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 1: take the written word, put together an article that could

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01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 1: easily be dropped into the weekly newspaper if necessary, UM,

1959
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:18,960
Speaker 1: but using that to kind of form an opinion for people,

1960
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,040
Speaker 1: so that a journalist could take a look at that

1961
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:23,120
Speaker 1: and say, you know, this is something that I definitely

1962
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 1: want to learn more about. I want to UM talk

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01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 1: to the experts that are referenced in this press release

1964
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:32,160
Speaker 1: UM and maybe do my own stories about it. And

1965
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 1: with public relations, you can do it in just about

1966
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 1: every industry that there is, so I felt like that

1967
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:41,120
Speaker 1: was another way to broaden my horizons that I wouldn't

1968
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:45,320
Speaker 1: be limited to one particular lane. UM. First, my my

1969
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 1: first internship in public relations was at Jackson Memorial Hospital

1970
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: in Miami, Florida. UM. I told you about interning at

1971
01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 1: the university in their office. UM. At do entertainment PR.

1972
01:52:56,600 --> 01:53:00,520
Speaker 1: I've done higher education PR and at a universe city

1973
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:03,160
Speaker 1: with all of the different schools and colleges that we represent,

1974
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:06,599
Speaker 1: I end up doing PR services for all of those

1975
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 1: UM individual areas as well. So I think it's definitely

1976
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:14,000
Speaker 1: still a industry that's on the rise UM and I

1977
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 1: think students would be well suited to think about that

1978
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 1: as they look at, you know, their place UM in

1979
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 1: the industry that they want to go into. Your clients

1980
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:28,720
Speaker 1: have included TV one, ABC Network or CNN, Walt Disney Studios, Fox, Searchlight.

1981
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 1: Now you and I met at TV one. We we

1982
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 1: we were met before that, but we're working on a

1983
01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:36,840
Speaker 1: particular so the attorney Benjamin Crupper and I was doing

1984
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:40,840
Speaker 1: called Evidence of Innocence uh and and then and then

1985
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 1: we were going back with email. We we linked in

1986
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 1: account message and all of a sudden you said, Richard,

1987
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm headed to Hollywood. What opportunities did Howard present to

1988
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:55,600
Speaker 1: you that you were not getting the TV one and

1989
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:58,879
Speaker 1: not saying anything it was negative TV one, But Howard

1990
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:00,600
Speaker 1: is one of the court, of course to kind of

1991
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:05,680
Speaker 1: consider the Harvard of HBCUs won't made that transition one

1992
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:08,160
Speaker 1: that you wanted to pursue leaving TV wanted to go

1993
01:54:08,200 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 1: to Howard. Well, I'll tell you it was definitely a

1994
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 1: difficult decision because working at a television network had been

1995
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 1: a dream of mine. It was on my um, you know,

1996
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:21,960
Speaker 1: board to be something that I tried to accomplish in

1997
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 1: my life. And so when it finally happened and the

1998
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:28,000
Speaker 1: opportunity presented itself to be at a television network and

1999
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 1: I didn't have to go all the way back to

2000
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles in order to accomplish it, it it was definitely

2001
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 1: a dream come true. And I enjoyed every minute of

2002
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:38,840
Speaker 1: working on the television shows and the films that I

2003
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:42,840
Speaker 1: got to work on, including Yours and Unsung. UM, you know,

2004
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:46,920
Speaker 1: it's definitely an exciting place to be. So when the

2005
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 1: opportunity presented itself to come to Howard, um, for me,

2006
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:55,800
Speaker 1: it was the right move to continue to matriculate in

2007
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 1: my career as a professional. UM. I would be moving

2008
01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:03,000
Speaker 1: from p our manager back to a director position. UM

2009
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:05,080
Speaker 1: I would have a larger team that I was going

2010
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 1: to be able to supervise. And like you said, it

2011
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:10,840
Speaker 1: was Howard. So I was like, well, if it's not

2012
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 1: gonna be Florida and m University Howard is definitely not

2013
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:17,080
Speaker 1: too shabby of a place to go UM, and I've

2014
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:20,960
Speaker 1: enjoyed every minute of it because I look at universities

2015
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 1: kind of like small cities. Anything that could go up

2016
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 1: or down in a city can happen on a university campus.

2017
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:31,920
Speaker 1: So you really get an opportunity to stretch yourself by

2018
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:35,400
Speaker 1: working in this environment. The opportunity needs to be creative

2019
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:38,040
Speaker 1: and think outside of the box. In the way that

2020
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:41,960
Speaker 1: we promote things are endless and even something as simple

2021
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:45,680
Speaker 1: as being able to promote homecoming at a Howard University,

2022
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:47,880
Speaker 1: which you already know has a lot of attention and

2023
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:50,600
Speaker 1: interests UM, there are ways to make sure that we're

2024
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 1: using that opportunity with thousands of alumni coming from across

2025
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 1: the country to be able to tell the messaging that

2026
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:00,920
Speaker 1: we want to share. And so in twenty team we

2027
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,000
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that we got out the message

2028
01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:07,240
Speaker 1: about our Howard Ford's strategic plan and ensuring people that

2029
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:11,200
Speaker 1: we were constantly working on moving the university forward. And

2030
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:14,240
Speaker 1: we were able to get that work UM to receive

2031
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 1: some award recognition UM because of the campaign that we

2032
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:21,280
Speaker 1: put together. So I like being able to challenge myself

2033
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:26,880
Speaker 1: to do bigger and better things, and Howard has not disciplined. Well,

2034
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:30,720
Speaker 1: I believe me Howard is UH synics. And I grew

2035
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:35,520
Speaker 1: up in Houston, Texas, So Texas Southern University, UH third Ward,

2036
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:38,360
Speaker 1: a graduate from University Houston, used to walk down to

2037
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 1: Third Texas all the time and third War priv and

2038
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 1: priv you, and it was right down the street. So

2039
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:48,080
Speaker 1: next day was Southern and Grammar. So I've always had

2040
01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:52,840
Speaker 1: an hpc U a fluence or influence around my whole life.

2041
01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:59,680
Speaker 1: But why in twenty for some reason, did HBCOS suddenly

2042
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:05,840
Speaker 1: be um uh is a fan favor for endowments by

2043
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 1: white corporations. Can you, from a pr standpoint, can you

2044
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 1: explain to me why that happened? In Well, I think

2045
01:57:14,160 --> 01:57:17,800
Speaker 1: the world in the US in general is going through

2046
01:57:18,240 --> 01:57:22,400
Speaker 1: a reckoning right now with all of the social injustice

2047
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 1: that we're seeing, racial conversations that need to be had. Um.

2048
01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:30,640
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are looking for solutions,

2049
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 1: and they realize that our hbc use are a fitting

2050
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:36,520
Speaker 1: group of leaders that need to be at the table

2051
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 1: for that. So I believe that we have a lot

2052
01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:43,640
Speaker 1: of philanthropists who are looking for the leadership that's going

2053
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:46,880
Speaker 1: to be able to help guide US and hpc US.

2054
01:57:47,480 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 1: Being that we are already training so many of the

2055
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:54,800
Speaker 1: nation's next black leaders, is a great place to invest

2056
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 1: those dollars so that we can continue to make sure

2057
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 1: that African America can achieve a degree and go on

2058
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 1: to be successful in a variety of careers. UM as

2059
01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:08,560
Speaker 1: well as we need to be UM part of the

2060
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:12,800
Speaker 1: solution to help UM this nation heal UM. That's what

2061
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:17,360
Speaker 1: I've been working on with the OXIDE University Communications team

2062
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:21,000
Speaker 1: to find different ways that we can UM take someone

2063
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 1: like a President Frederick and allow him to use his

2064
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:29,440
Speaker 1: expertise in areas that are of important UM in this nation.

2065
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:33,240
Speaker 1: So we've had him be able to talk on national

2066
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:38,000
Speaker 1: television about the health crisis with the coronavirus and what

2067
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:40,160
Speaker 1: we're doing at our HBC used to continue to make

2068
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:44,360
Speaker 1: our students say. He's been able to UM encourage people

2069
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:48,040
Speaker 1: to participate in the vaccination process through a p s

2070
01:58:48,040 --> 01:58:51,440
Speaker 1: A that we put together. And as people are seeing

2071
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:54,560
Speaker 1: this on television, I do believe that they want to

2072
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:57,480
Speaker 1: do something to help support the work that is being

2073
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:00,680
Speaker 1: done UM. The fact that we've set up different UM

2074
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:04,960
Speaker 1: sites for vaccine tests UM coronavirus testing to take place

2075
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 1: UM and resources need to be pulled together to make

2076
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 1: something like that happens. So we appreciate when a Bank

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01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:15,400
Speaker 1: of America steps up with a million dollar grant in

2078
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:18,840
Speaker 1: order to support that testing, or UM when a Thermo

2079
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:22,240
Speaker 1: Fisher reaches out and says, we know that testing for

2080
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:24,880
Speaker 1: your students on campus is going to be very expensive,

2081
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,720
Speaker 1: and so we want to underwrite that so that you

2082
01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:30,760
Speaker 1: guys don't have to take that expense yourself. And then

2083
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:34,480
Speaker 1: a Gates Foundation jumps in and wants to support Thermo

2084
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:37,560
Speaker 1: Fisher so that again that money is not something that's

2085
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:40,920
Speaker 1: coming out of the university's bottom line. Because in today's

2086
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 1: day and age, we are still UM reaching out to

2087
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:46,360
Speaker 1: a lot of students who are first generation in their

2088
01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:49,600
Speaker 1: families to go to college. UM, it's very expensive, and

2089
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:53,280
Speaker 1: there's still students who really can't afford an opportunity to

2090
01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:56,240
Speaker 1: go to college, and HBCUs have been standing in that

2091
01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 1: gap to help make those financial ends meet UM and

2092
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:04,080
Speaker 1: order to continue to train this very necessary, important generation

2093
02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:06,520
Speaker 1: of leaders who are going to be coming out of

2094
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:10,160
Speaker 1: these HP schools. So we really applaud those who are

2095
02:00:10,200 --> 02:00:12,720
Speaker 1: stepping up to the table to do their part in

2096
02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:16,960
Speaker 1: any way possible, whether that's financially or through their resources. Well,

2097
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:21,040
Speaker 1: with that being said, you know you are PR person

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02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:24,320
Speaker 1: at Howard University. You know we noticed that this year

2099
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:31,160
Speaker 1: unfortunately Chadwick bose was passed away. That's only overall campus

2100
02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:34,960
Speaker 1: global perspective, the brand relationships that he's brought. He's not

2101
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:38,080
Speaker 1: the only famous person from an entertainment perspective that has

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02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:41,680
Speaker 1: come from Howard University. Then on the sports side, a

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02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:47,600
Speaker 1: five star basketball recruit and rolled into Howard University explained

2104
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:51,280
Speaker 1: to me how u s the PR director of how University.

2105
02:00:51,560 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 1: How little both situations, one from a charismatic global talent

2106
02:00:57,160 --> 02:01:00,840
Speaker 1: who will passed away suddenly. I think the world was

2107
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:05,839
Speaker 1: shocked when he passed away. And then the unbelievable statement

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02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:08,720
Speaker 1: of a five star recruits say in basketball, what's going

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02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:13,360
Speaker 1: to rule at Howard University. Well, Chadwick Boseman is a

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02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:16,680
Speaker 1: has was a great friend to the university in the

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02:01:16,760 --> 02:01:20,320
Speaker 1: years leading up to his unfortunate death. Um, we were

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Speaker 1: blessed to have him come and serve as our commencement

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Speaker 1: speaker in team and that was part of Dr Frederick's

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Speaker 1: from people who have been just where they had been, UM,

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Speaker 1: inviting alumni to come back and and tell their stories

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Speaker 1: so that we can hear from them, you know, give

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Speaker 1: them their roses while they're here in a sense. UM.

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Speaker 1: So we were so appreciative of the fact that we

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Speaker 1: had had that time with Chadwick on campus UM prior

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Speaker 1: to his passing away. UM. We were not aware that

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Speaker 1: he had been sick at that time, which we later

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Speaker 1: found out through the news reports. And UM that day

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Speaker 1: when the news broke, you know, that was definitely a

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Speaker 1: all hands on board, let's jump together and make sure

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Speaker 1: that we celebrate and recognize him in the way that

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Speaker 1: was fitting. So UM we immediately put out a a

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Speaker 1: notice to social media to let them know that our

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Speaker 1: condolences were with the family. UM. A larger note to

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Speaker 1: campus was distributed UM talking about the significance of his career,

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Speaker 1: his charisma, UM, what he brought to the world through

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Speaker 1: the different roles that he played, and how he will

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Speaker 1: truly always be remembered UM. And still to this day,

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Speaker 1: we get a lot of requests for copies of that

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Speaker 1: commencement speech to be included in various shows. So we

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Speaker 1: continue to UM monitor and manage those requests as they

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Speaker 1: come in. With a student like mccore maker, UM, you know,

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Speaker 1: those are the kinds of moments that university's hope will

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Speaker 1: happen based off of all of the work that's currently

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Speaker 1: being done with the young people that we have, and

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Speaker 1: so to have someone at his love will be interested

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Speaker 1: in coming to UM Howard University, even though he had

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Speaker 1: his pick of the choice of places where he could

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Speaker 1: have gone to school to play UM, it's definitely helping

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Speaker 1: us to again remind people of everything that we have

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Speaker 1: to offer at a Howard University beyond just the sports,

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Speaker 1: but the academics that clearly he was thinking about the

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Speaker 1: legacy that comes out of here. UM obviously was very

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Speaker 1: important to him, and we want all student athletes to

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Speaker 1: consider coming to HBCUs because we do definitely have UM

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Speaker 1: but know how and the talent and the educators to

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Speaker 1: help them get to where they want to be in

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Speaker 1: life outside of the sport. So from an athletic standpoint,

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Speaker 1: you know, HBCUs are always been recognized as delivering on

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Speaker 1: the sports, delivering on the entertainment from the halftime bands.

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Speaker 1: Now from an academic standpoint, I've always felt that hpc

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Speaker 1: us not been given their just do and that's what

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Speaker 1: angers me. And it angers me because I feel that,

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Speaker 1: you know, predominant white institution are basically taking credit for

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Speaker 1: some of the academic successes that are happening with HBCU graduates.

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Speaker 1: So I can't say it's been debunked. What do you

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Speaker 1: in the landscape of HBCUs. What can we do? What

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Speaker 1: can we do to promote the value to success stories

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Speaker 1: of HBCU. So finally is recognized and it's not like

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Speaker 1: a surprise. Well, I have to commend the place like

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Speaker 1: Howard University and investing in the resources that it needs

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Speaker 1: to build the right team to help tell that story. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: because resources are thin um, investing in your communications team

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Speaker 1: is just not something that happens um at the rate

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Speaker 1: that it needs to at all of our HBCUs. So

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Speaker 1: this definitely goes back to funding. You know, of course

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Speaker 1: you think of donations to a university, and obviously the

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Speaker 1: first and most important place to do that is into scholarships.

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Speaker 1: But I would definitely employ your audience to think about

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Speaker 1: making sure that they do donations that are unrestricted so

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Speaker 1: that the university has options to be able to use

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Speaker 1: that those resources in other ways that will still continue

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Speaker 1: to support the work that they're doing. UM. Howard University

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Speaker 1: has invested in its Office of University Communications and will

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Speaker 1: continue to do more as the dollars become available. UM.

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Speaker 1: But at a lot of places you might find that

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Speaker 1: the PR team is a one or two person shop,

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Speaker 1: and so it makes it really difficult to do a

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Speaker 1: whole lot with the small team like that versus I'm

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Speaker 1: blessed to UM when we're fully UM booked have for

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Speaker 1: senior communication specialists that work under me so that we

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Speaker 1: can divide people up to different schools and colleges and

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Speaker 1: work on helping to spend time diving into what's the

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Speaker 1: stories being told here, what research is being told here,

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Speaker 1: What students are having significant internship opportunities that we might

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Speaker 1: want to profile to let other students know this is

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Speaker 1: an opportunity for you when you become a student here UM.

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Speaker 1: And so again, just that's another something for people to consider,

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Speaker 1: is beyond just investing for the scholarship opportunities at your

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Speaker 1: hbc U s UM to think about those other places

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Speaker 1: where unreprestricted funds would be definitely UM appreciated and even

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Speaker 1: if you didn't go to an hpc U, UM, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you can't um invest your dollars there

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Speaker 1: because we all know that it's going to benefit the

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Speaker 1: larger community. Well, it's the fun part about my conversation

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Speaker 1: because when I look at the h b c U

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Speaker 1: s and as we turned into twenty one, you look

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Speaker 1: at what happened in Georgia with Stacy Abrams HPCU graduate

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Speaker 1: reverend or Raphael warnat hpc you graduate, and then we

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Speaker 1: have to talk about the ultimate uh HBCU graduate about

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Speaker 1: to make history as the Vice President elect, Kambala Harris,

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Speaker 1: who was all a member of the Serrity A K A. S.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the impact of her being the vice President

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Speaker 1: of the United States, being a graduate of HBCU, being

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Speaker 1: a graduate of Howard University, of a pro graduate who

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Speaker 1: talk to somebody who communicated brings it up way before

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Speaker 1: she was elected. She's always hunger had probably being a

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Speaker 1: graduate Howard University. What impact has that had on your brand? Well,

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Speaker 1: first and foremost, we are so proud of the p

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Speaker 1: elect Tomala Harris and UM it's just been such a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to be this close to her transition from candidates

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Speaker 1: to VP elect on a national ticket to now just

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Speaker 1: days away from becoming the vice president, the first black woman,

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Speaker 1: first African well first black first woman to send to

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Speaker 1: that role. And UM, it's been amazing, it's been amazing

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Speaker 1: the amount of meeting, attention and interest in Howard because

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Speaker 1: of the fact that you UM is an alum, a

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Speaker 1: very proud alum of our institution UM, as well as

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Speaker 1: what it's meaning to the students. I'm particularly in a

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Speaker 1: time like as it was, being virtual and and being

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Speaker 1: able to turn on television and see someone that looks

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Speaker 1: like you in such an impact for role. And like

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Speaker 1: she has said herself, she won't be the last person

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Speaker 1: to have that opportunity, UM. But before her, there were

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Speaker 1: so many people who paved the way through going to

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Speaker 1: Howard University, like a Thurvid Marshal and so many other

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Speaker 1: elected officials who have transcended through Howard to go into

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Speaker 1: the political arena. UM. And we're big in the arts

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Speaker 1: as well, we're big in the sciences. And while you

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Speaker 1: may not end up knowing every single name, having her

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Speaker 1: name out there demonstrates the power of an HBCU education.

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Speaker 1: So that I hope that we will be able to

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Speaker 1: UH in for good. This conversation about what can an

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Speaker 1: HBCU degree do for you because we've been doing the

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Speaker 1: walk people like myself quietly for years to come, and

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Speaker 1: now she's doing it in a way publicly and visibly

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Speaker 1: that everybody can relate to. Wow, I'm so glad you

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Speaker 1: took the time in Carminal show. But before we leave,

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Speaker 1: I talked a little bit about PR. People want to

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Speaker 1: be in a PR field. It sounds so easy. It's

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Speaker 1: about relationships. As you spoke earlier, your opportunities were fueled

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Speaker 1: by the relationship that you created. Uh, what is your

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Speaker 1: career advice for aspiring your professionals that want to go

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Speaker 1: into public relations. Well, I would definitely suggest that you

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Speaker 1: It was definitely something that was instilled in us at

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