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Speaker 2: Quarterback whatever, and he said, yeah, man, Wes Welker, I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do that.

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Speaker 2: I'm faster, I'm stronger, I could do that. I'm like this.

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Speaker 2: That cocky little quarterback right here, good for him.

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Speaker 4: Today we have an unbelievably special guest.

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Speaker 3: How about this, Doug Fluty.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Doug Flootie Dandy was too small player.

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Speaker 4: That fine, talking more stories, talking games, ultimately talking about

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Speaker 4: the guy Hill Mary. Thirty five years from your game

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Speaker 4: and we're still talking about this game. You say, hail Mary.

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Speaker 4: Everyone always brings up this game. That's how important and

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Speaker 4: crazy this game is.

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Speaker 1: But you defenders go up and everybody just fall to

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Speaker 4: How does it feel to have probably the most iconic

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Speaker 4: play in college football history? Games and Names is the

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Speaker 4: production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman,

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Speaker 4: They're Jack and Kyler, and we are on a mission

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Speaker 4: to find the greatest game of all time.

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Speaker 5: We're coming to you from.

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Speaker 4: Boston Nuthouse, Baby, the original Nututhouse, East Nuthouse East over

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Speaker 4: here in undisclosed Boston location. The boys are back in

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Speaker 4: town and on today's episode, we are covering the Hail

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Speaker 4: Flutey game Boston College versus Miami from nineteen eighty four

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Speaker 4: with Boston College legend, Heisman Trophy winner and one of

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Speaker 4: my heroes, childhood heroes and college football and Canadian Football

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Speaker 4: Hall of Famer Doug Flutey.

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Speaker 6: Flooty Flakes himself, Flakes.

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Speaker 3: This is this is this is a great episode.

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Speaker 4: We get into talking about one of the greatest plays

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Speaker 4: in college football, how your life changes after winning a Heisman,

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Speaker 4: and the origin of the drop kick. We all remember

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Speaker 4: it when he was a Patriot, when he was a Patriot.

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Speaker 4: And then we wrap it up by ranking the best

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Speaker 4: Hail Mary's of all time. So many historic hill Mary's

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Speaker 4: to go over, some crazy ones. That that was a

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Speaker 6: Wild one, I mean, greatest plays in football, Baby Mary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But before we get to Doug, how about the Brady

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Speaker 4: event at Gillette.

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Speaker 5: What a night.

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Speaker 6: Red Carpet Boys, Red Carpet Boys, Red Carpet Boys.

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Speaker 5: Jackie was on.

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Speaker 3: Flow was Drake may recognizing Jack.

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Speaker 6: Drake May came up to Davidson, Guys, baby, we stick together.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I think he just he's.

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Speaker 6: A STARLD Davison basketball camp. Still chopping it up. He

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Speaker 4: Does he have any We gotta I gotta have some game,

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Speaker 4: gotta love I love my guy. We gotta North Carolina.

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Speaker 6: Maybe some mac brown Carolina games. Although all the Carolina

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Speaker 6: games that come to mind with Drake may is like

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Speaker 5: This is what we should do.

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Speaker 4: We want Drake may On so bad because you know,

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Speaker 4: to go and comment what Drake game, Tarhill game, tar

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Speaker 4: We need to have, something for us to do and

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Speaker 3: We love the Drake And.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, what a night. I mean, Kyler's over

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Speaker 3: But he was just like, where's Jack?

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Speaker 6: No, get real, Get real? Get real.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, we're gonna Getcott peel.

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Speaker 6: Talk about emotional.

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Speaker 4: We hadn't got to see each other all, like in

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Speaker 4: because it was the show, so you didn't really get

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Speaker 6: It was wild. I mean, just I was. I was

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Speaker 6: honored just to be there with your table twenty nine

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Speaker 6: shout out of la Garrett Blunt. Till the Garrett Blunt Table.

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Speaker 3: You were the fun table.

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Speaker 6: The fun that we were having fun, I mean that

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Speaker 4: This was more fun because it was more our our

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Speaker 6: There homecoming field kind of vibe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And who's a bigger star, Jay Z or Ben Affleck.

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Speaker 3: Bill Burr killed too, Bill Awesome killed dude. That's a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's a hard room for people that are

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Speaker 6: And we had Dola there with us Man Camille, Ron Camille.

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Speaker 6: Nico Nicole, legendary.

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Speaker 4: Bro Nikovich, Slate Mayo came in. It was everyone was there.

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Speaker 4: It was bon Jovi, bon Jovi onon Jovi. He kind

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Speaker 4: if we come forty five minutes early to do the

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Speaker 4: coming in trying to get an autograph from you. Everyone

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Speaker 6: Because we were trying our hardest to make that thing work.

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Speaker 5: We were trying. Yeah, and just said it wouldn't have

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Speaker 7: He deserves the full treatment focus, not just stealing thirty

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Speaker 5: And he's got a great rosea coming out.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, we got.

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Speaker 3: There's talking maybe going to the Hamptons. Hey, well see

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Speaker 7: So I wonder if you would because he was an

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Speaker 6: Sip and rose sitting on the back porch in the

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Speaker 6: Hampton sounds all right to me. Talking some ball, hanging

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Speaker 6: with Richie Sambora. Thank yeah man, Lon Jovi, get Angie

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 5: November twenty third, nineteen eighty four, the Orange Bowl, Miami, Florida.

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Speaker 1: Boston College trails Miami forty five forty one time.

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Speaker 2: Winding down in the.

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Speaker 5: Fourth quarter, Doug Flutie drops back with that.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't really drop, He just goes back pedal very fast.

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Speaker 6: He launches a prayer into the sky of Florida.

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Speaker 5: This is Floody.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Games with Names, And today we have an

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Speaker 4: unbelievably special guest. Unbelievably special guest. We had Doug Flutie

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Speaker 4: more stories, talking games, ultimately talking about the goddamn Hill.

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Speaker 3: Mary.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think they named the actual play after this play.

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Speaker 1: After you wore the shirt, Hey, we can get into

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this shirt. But when I was sow what years

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Speaker 2: Chargers years two thousand to two thousand and four.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had your jersey. I went I went to Ross,

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Speaker 4: I saw Doug Fluty Jersey. I picked that thing up.

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Speaker 4: I was a little quarterback. You were my hero, like

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Speaker 4: it's it's it's unbelievable to have you any.

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Speaker 1: Well, you had just gotten drafted. You and I were

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do that.

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Speaker 2: I'm faster, I'm stronger, I could do that. I'm like

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Speaker 2: this a cocky little quarterback right here. Good for him,

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Speaker 1: And that was, uh, you know, he's a man after

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: You literally I watched you so much. I admired you

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Speaker 4: But go, this guy won the goddamn Heisman Trophy. Think

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Speaker 4: the Hail Fluty game Boston College versus Miami nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 1: We had our Bowl game in our back pocket. They

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Speaker 2: For thirty five years.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was, you know, just you know what's amazing

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Speaker 2: We were two for two my senior year on hill Mary's.

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Speaker 4: Do you hear that? We all talk about what Aaron

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Speaker 8: Years Aaron, See, he made it so like it was

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Speaker 2: So that's what made it so big.

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Speaker 4: In the Heisman Trophy winner is going out taking a

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Speaker 2: You know, Tom talks about Tom talks.

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Speaker 1: About his relationship with the receivers and how everybody, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, you overthrow what Gerard's there? He dies and

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Speaker 1: There's just so many though, there's so many out there.

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Speaker 2: I love the Boise State game beating Oklahoma. You know,

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Speaker 4: We had Adrian Peterson and Zach Zimbranski on the show

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Speaker 4: You say, hail Mary. Everyone always brings up this game.

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Speaker 1: Well, I had I had podcasts a couple of years

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Speaker 1: the label of a hail mary, right because it was

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Speaker 3: And all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I give him full credit.

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Speaker 4: It was Roger Man, Roger Stallbach. I remember he came

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Speaker 2: Dude, Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he's just a stand up guy. Left the league

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Speaker 4: to go serve the country. You just look and smelt

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Speaker 1: His entire life the way he led it, and then

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Speaker 2: You know, it just absolutely first class.

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Speaker 3: It was that guy. He was that guy you see

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Speaker 6: Here.

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Speaker 3: What we got we got.

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Speaker 1: We got a Natick High School helmet, by the way,

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Speaker 1: and we got the Fluty Flakes boy, the original the

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Speaker 5: We went to. We went to the school and got it.

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Speaker 3: That's from.

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Speaker 5: From the trophy case.

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Speaker 2: You guys are pretty good, pretty good. That's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 3: My childhood.

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Speaker 4: The hero we called the damn school. We said, we

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Speaker 3: We got a guy on the team and they played

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Speaker 2: Oh, my buddy, my buddy.

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Speaker 1: Paul Paul Gallani followed me. Here was a quarterback at

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Speaker 3: No, it's a pleasure having you here in the nuthouse.

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Speaker 3: So Boston edition, Boston, Yes, right, that's even better, Boston Edition.

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Speaker 1: This West Coast stuff, I don't know coming out there.

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Speaker 3: I gotta be out.

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Speaker 2: There, although I do love the waves. I love the

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Speaker 4: Waits over here talking about we're going to Costa Rica.

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Speaker 5: We're going.

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Speaker 4: Listen, we were talking about it earlier when we walk in.

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Speaker 4: I'm sitting here, I think it's twenty ten, eleven twelve

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Speaker 4: We always had the local news on Floody talking about

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Speaker 5: They're like, oh, yeah, the river is over here.

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Speaker 4: We have some crazy flooding, and out of nowhere in

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Speaker 4: wasn't this was not this was not supposed to be

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Speaker 4: part of the program. It's literally just Doug flu Hey, guys,

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Speaker 5: All those ladies over here talking about the flood.

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Speaker 3: You love waves.

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Speaker 1: The Charles River overflowed that that year, and I was

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Speaker 1: the guy was the quarterback. I was just talking about

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Speaker 2: I'm going out on the river.

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Speaker 1: And sure enough there was a camera crew. I don't

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Speaker 3: Oh look at you get the picture?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was overflowed. I got my Natick

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Speaker 3: How about the Brady event last night? That was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: That was absolutely ridiculous. I mean I was I only

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Speaker 2: They did it right for Tommy. He deserved every bit

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Speaker 1: The way people talk about Tom, the way the real

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Speaker 1: But god, it was an amazing night. I just had

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Speaker 1: We're all jocks, right, we play ball, we paddle down, rivers, surfway,

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Speaker 1: whatever we do.

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Speaker 1: He gets up like he was a polished politician with

443
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Speaker 1: a thirty minute speech and hit every everything and so succinct.

444
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: It didn't leave anyone else. It's just amazing. He amazes

445
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: me in everything he does.

446
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 4: He that's a what you said, politician. I saw Tom,

447
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 4: and I was like, I want to vote for him.

448
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 7: I thought he was gonna end this speech with and

449
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 7: that's why I'm running for two.

450
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 5: More years ago, we're getting some chance to go.

451
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 3: Jo was heckling Tom's whole speech.

452
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god, could you imagine Tom?

453
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I'll be you would vote for him.

454
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's a genuine like to have all the

455
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 4: relationships he had, but to be able to have one

456
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 4: thing to say to every single guy that he looked

457
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 4: at like, he just he's a genuine dude.

458
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: I said it.

459
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: You know the year I played one year when the

460
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: people I smelt what it was like Tom Tom, and

461
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, he makes everybody in the

462
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: locker room, in the training room, in the front office

463
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: feel like they were the reason we won the game.

464
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: The guy on scout team getting taped before practice, Hey,

465
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: I need a good look at a great job. Yesterday

466
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: you were amazing. We need a little more of that.

467
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: You need to be Yeah, every guy, and he talked

468
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: about some of the guys talked about you know, there

469
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,479
Speaker 1: were low round draft choices coming in trying to make

470
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: it think, oh my god, that's Tom Brady. I want

471
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 1: to say high type thing. And Tom knows you knows

472
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: you said it right, You said one of those right.

473
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: But Tom knew who you were, He knew your history

474
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: a little bit already. He made a point to make

475
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Speaker 1: you feel welcomed and who you are you know significant

476
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: right away.

477
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 4: No, some people don't realize, like I'll be out in

478
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 4: a city and people be like.

479
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 3: Oh, what's Brady like this? As I fucking hate this guy.

480
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm telling you right now if you met him,

481
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 4: the aura that he brings in and he's just he's

482
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 4: a sweet man. He's just a sweet guy. He's like

483
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 4: a there's nothing else you can say. He's a genuine person.

484
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 4: And you see it because of his family and what

485
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 4: he grew up in. His mom is such a sweetheart,

486
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 4: as dad, Like they're crying every two minutes during this

487
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 4: whole ceremony, rightfully. So it's just it was a great night.

488
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 4: It was it was unbelievable.

489
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: It just and I played till I was forty three.

490
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: Right by the last couple of years, it was a grind.

491
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 3: You know.

492
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: It's like maybe because I wasn't the starter, you know,

493
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: I was in a point where I'm definitely the backup

494
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: and I'm just thinking, I don't know, but it was

495
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: hard to moti get motivated every day to watch film.

496
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: It's prep and all that you did it, but it

497
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: just wasn't the same. Tom left here goes to Tampa,

498
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: wins another super Bowl, had another great year after that,

499
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: and how at that age at that point, playing for

500
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: twenty something years, you continue to have that drive on

501
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: a daily basis to keep getting better.

502
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: And Tom did that. You know, when I he was

503
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: already Tom.

504
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: Brady when I went to you know, super Bowls and

505
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: all that, before I got to New England that year

506
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: with him, and he's watching film of practice of watching

507
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: himself throw the ball and how he's going to get

508
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: better and after practice, how he's going to get better.

509
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: It was just impressive on a daily basis. And to

510
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: do it as long and still have that passion at

511
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: the very end, it was absolutely amazing.

512
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: It was.

513
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 6: It was.

514
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 4: And when people don't realize I was in that same

515
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 4: boat where he was already Tom motherfucking Brady when he

516
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 4: got there. He wasn't Tom Brady yet. It wasn't Tom Brady,

517
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 4: was Tom MF Brady.

518
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 3: Where three super.

519
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 4: Bowls, he had the supermodel wife, he had all the success,

520
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 4: all the accolades. But if you were to walk into

521
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 4: a an offensive room or you walk into a practice

522
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 4: and you watch Tom, he's the guy. He's the guy

523
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 4: that's working the hardest, and he always practiced.

524
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 3: With a purpose.

525
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 4: It never it was never just like let's get through

526
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 4: the motions. Let's just go flop it out there. Let's

527
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 4: throw a couple in cuts, Let's throw a couple out.

528
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 4: It was like he was so focused on every day

529
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 4: that he did something.

530
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it was my I think we

531
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: won a super Bowl.

532
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 4: We're going back to play another one two years later,

533
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 4: and it's I think it's week fourteen.

534
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 5: He's got Tom House in week eleven.

535
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 4: Week twelve, he flies out his quarterback coach, this guy

536
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: who already has four Super Bowls, who already is Tom Brady.

537
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 4: He flies out a quarterback coach in week eleven to

538
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: work after practice with the guy, just to tighten up

539
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 4: his fundamentals.

540
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 2: Look, yeah, if he felt like something wasn't you know,

541
00:25:58,920 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: he wasn't.

542
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: His accurate missed a throw the week before, right, he

543
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: misses a throat, and his quarterback guru's.

544
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: Out on you know, on a plane. The next day

545
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: he fixed me.

546
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: He we played golf, uh Tom, the group of us

547
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: and Tom Fish was his guru with the golf teaching him.

548
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: He had a new swing and Tom was like shooting

549
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: part of golf, hitting the ball like a pro, even part.

550
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: After sixteen holes on seventeen he mishits a drive winds

551
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: up with the double bogies eighteen. I think he either

552
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: he mis hit his drive again on eighteenth he called

553
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: on the eighteenth green, He called Fish to meet him

554
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: on the driving range. As he walked off the eighteenth green,

555
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: he goes over to the driving race starts working on

556
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: a swing because he mis hit two balls. That's tom

557
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: That's who he was or who he is.

558
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 7: Is that mentality? Just are you born with it or

559
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 7: do you develop that or is it a combination of two?

560
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's inside, I'll tell you.

561
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: He and I we all need something that motivates us

562
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: on a daily basis to get better every day. I

563
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 1: always had a chip on my shoulder about the height thing, right,

564
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: people telling me I couldn't do this, couldn't do that,

565
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: and you know, and I remember a quote from Steve

566
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: Grogan saying, why is They asked him, why is Doug

567
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: still playing at forty three? Because he's still trying to

568
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: prove people wrong. And that's Tommy not being drafted high.

569
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: I think stuck in his crawl forever. I mean, he

570
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: was already the way he was, but that's why he

571
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: played as long as he did. I think he wanted

572
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: to shove it down their throat, because on a daily basis,

573
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: there's got to be something in the back of your

574
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: mind that's driving you every day.

575
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 4: And also I believe Belichick was his Jedi mind tricks

576
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 4: and the way he put him on the table in

577
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: front of everyone. Like I just watched to interview Tom

578
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: talking and oh, three weeks ago, what did he say?

579
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 4: He goes, you know, I needed to be pissed off

580
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: to play my best football. And what did Bill do

581
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 4: every fucking day?

582
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 5: Pissed him off?

583
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: Hey, Tom, trying to just give them the ball? You're

584
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: hitting them right, and what do you do?

585
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: You know?

586
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

587
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: Bill had that sarcastic where he come home to a

588
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: Wednesday morning meeting. Oh and you better have watched film,

589
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: and you better have already looked at your scouting report

590
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: and been ready.

591
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: He started firing.

592
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 4: Question wednesdays, you better get it right now being a

593
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: naked guy.

594
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 5: How was it playing for the Pats with your whole journey?

595
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 4: I mean you went to the USFL, the Ingle to Canada,

596
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 4: you get to come home. I mean you played for

597
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 4: San Diego, you played for Buffalo, but to come home

598
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 4: and play for the Pats.

599
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 5: What was that like?

600
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: That was really cool.

601
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: I played with the Pats in the late eighties for

602
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: three and a half seats. Ye Oh, here's the great

603
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: This is a cool thing. Yes, it was great having

604
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: hometown fans. People love it.

605
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: It was also ahead of Cassle.

606
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: It was also a headache because if I wasn't the starter,

607
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: like in the late eighties when Tony Easton and Grogan

608
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: were there, if I wasn't the starter, I was a

609
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: headache to have because every time there was an incompletion

610
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: or an interception, they start chanting my.

611
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: Name, they want me in the game, blah blah blah.

612
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: And every time I did get on the field, good

613
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: things did happen, but it created a little bit of

614
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: an issue. Funny story in the eighties, I would drive

615
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: from Natick to Foxborough and I'd stop at the McDonald's

616
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: on one oh nine going through.

617
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: Is it Billis? I think it's Billis?

618
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: And uh, get my hotcakes and sausage and head to

619
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: the stadium right And I mean, and there was this

620
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: woman that worked at McDonald's.

621
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: And this is the late eighties.

622
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: I resign a five come back from When I'm driving

623
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: from Natick to Foxboro, I stop at the same McDon

624
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: the same lady's working the window eighteen years later.

625
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 5: I mean, you can't make it up.

626
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: She goes, I knew you would be coming by the

627
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: time that they signed.

628
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: I knew you would be coming. You kuldn't be.

629
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 4: Man that that had to be such a crazy dream.

630
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: I mean, for me, I grew up in the Bay,

631
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 4: and I grew up a Niners fan, and I had

632
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: the actual opportunity I was going to sign with San

633
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 4: Francisco potentially in two thousand and four routine.

634
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: I was on a visit with the Niners.

635
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: They offered me a way better contract.

636
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 5: Bill, you fucking ask.

637
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 4: No, Bill's over here, for I got. I also got

638
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: to say this Bill's over here. I'm like, Yo, Bill,

639
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 4: you can come my goddamn podcast. He goes, how much

640
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 4: you gonna pay me? I go, I'm gonna pay you

641
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 4: the goddamn amount of money you didn't pay me when

642
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: when I signed four contracts with you. That's the amount

643
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 4: of money I'm paying.

644
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: We'll give them the rookie deal.

645
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 4: Give them the rookie deal, lege minimum. Got to prove it.

646
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 4: I forgot my train of thought. Bill, you just fucked

647
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 4: me up.

648
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: Forty nine ers.

649
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm sitting there and just like Flutes said,

650
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 4: if I were to sign back with the Niners, the

651
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 4: amount of headaches you have to deal with. Oh think

652
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 4: your ticket fans, friends, family, everyone's come out of the

653
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 4: wool works.

654
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 5: That just had to be such a cool experience.

655
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: It was fun to play at home and all that.

656
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: And the ticket thing. You know, you line up at

657
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Speaker 2: the beginning.

658
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: I bought them and put them at We'll call, and

659
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: then half the guys wouldn't show up because they just

660
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: assume you're getting them for free. Yeah right, So like

661
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: Nasty Weather, I'll watching at home or whatever. And meanwhile,

662
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: you you paid for all these tickets. But it was

663
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: it was cool to to play in front of your

664
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: friends and family and all that stuff. But you know,

665
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: you relaxed on the road. You got on the road,

666
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: you got the extra nap in.

667
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: You slept on a Saturday a little bit.

668
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 5: Some of your best sleep came on that bus, ride

669
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 5: in that plane.

670
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the prep.

671
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 4: Now you're driving on one ninety. Get your hot cakes

672
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 4: in the morning at the McDonald's. Can you walk us

673
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: through the drop kick you're hearing Foxboro?

674
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 5: Yes, they're in Foxborough, your hometown area, and You're getting

675
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 5: to do something that hadn't been done since.

676
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: There's a whole drop drop kicks.

677
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: Actually, I took a picture last night with back Castle,

678
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: Tim Dwhighte and Lottie Packson and cast through the touchdown

679
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: to Tim as I was talking to Bill about doing

680
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, are you serious yet? And I

681
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: ran out on the field and Lonnie was the long snapper.

682
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: So it was a cool little picture of the guys

683
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: that made it all happen. Chris Berman was the guy

684
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: at practice on a Friday talking to Bill whispering in

685
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: his ear. You know, Fluty can drive. He'd seemed messing

686
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: around during pre games and stuff. He's like he and

687
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: Berman knew the history of it. It hadn't been done

688
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: since nineteen forty one, so he went to Bill. Bill

689
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: calls me in the now. I'm forty three years old.

690
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm doing jack for the team, all right, I'm hanging

691
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: out with Pom. Pom's cheering for Tommy that's win a

692
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I'm thinking I'm getting cut.

693
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 6: I don't know.

694
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm walking into Bill's office, what do you want

695
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: to and Berman standing behind him just beaming with Bill's like,

696
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: can you drop kick.

697
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: I go, I can do it.

698
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

699
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: He's illegal. I go, yeah, it's still legal. He goes, well,

700
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: work on it. We're going to do it tomorrow in practice.

701
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: So that was the beginning of it. We were going

702
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: to do it on a Monday night against the Jets.

703
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: I got in the game, we drove down. We were

704
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: going to do it as a field goal, and we

705
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: stalled out around the thirty five or something. It's gonna

706
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: be a forty something yard We didn't do it. Forgot

707
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: about it for two weeks. I'm on the sideline standing

708
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: next to Bill and we're on the five yard line

709
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of a play. Bill sees me there.

710
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, we score here, you kick it. We

711
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: were in before he finished the set and we were in.

712
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: The end zone.

713
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: I ripped the jacket off. Go out, blah blah blah,

714
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: Are you serious? I took a ball adam an equipment

715
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: guy's hand. I did a little punch into the stands

716
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm gonna pull a muscle. I'm gonna straight.

717
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm in the huddle trying to do the old man stretch.

718
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: All that it's twenty degrees out. I got a jacket

719
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: at forty three. I'm one hundred years old, and uh,

720
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: we get out there and all the guys like they'd

721
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: already won super Bowls, right.

722
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: This is the Patriots. He's the guy. They were acting

723
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: like a bunch of little kids at Christmas.

724
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: They were fired up about this, right and Bam, I

725
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: think Bam Childress was there.

726
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: Ben was an.

727
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: Ben was a He just got activated for this game.

728
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: He's a wide receiver. He's out there. Sam Madison's like.

729
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: You're running that fade, aren't you. He said, no, no, no,

730
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: you're not. Watch the slant.

731
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: Watch.

732
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: Pim's like, no, check this out.

733
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: This is gonna be cool. Watch this.

734
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: And that's what Lonnie like.

735
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: There was a they used a timeout, so Lonnie came back,

736
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: Steven Neil came back. We're back in the huddle, and

737
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: they're like, Keith Trailer's over my nose. He's gonna kick

738
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: my ass, right, and I'm like, just tell them what

739
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: we're doing. So there are a lot of conversations going

740
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: on to keep these guys from rushing it because they'll

741
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: probably block it anyway. Lonnie snaps it, Keith doesn't beat

742
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: them up. Lonnie steps through. Zach Thomas linebacker steps up.

743
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: What the fuck was that? Lonnie looks about it?

744
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: It's like as a dropkick, motherfucker, I'd been done in

745
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: sixty four years.

746
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was really it was. It was a

747
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: cool thing. It was a cool thing for me because

748
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: I didn't do squat the whole year.

749
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: But hang out and here for Tommy and uh, you know,

750
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: the guy's got to smile about it.

751
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: Whatever.

752
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: And then I jogged to the sideline and I go

753
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: to Bill for very awkward He's not a touching, fairly

754
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: very awkward hug with Bill. Well, my daughter tells me,

755
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: I have to get you off Tom Brady on national team.

756
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 2: Tom came out for high five.

757
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: I went right right by Tommy to Bill, you've done Tommy.

758
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: He saw in the awkward, in the awkward on the

759
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: high five, I mean he doesn't make a high contact.

760
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: Oh you know, he just kind of puts his arm up.

761
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 4: I mean, you haven't lived until you walk by a

762
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 4: Tom Brady high five. He hadn't lived until you've done that.

763
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 6: Right after it happened, like that's like the biggest smile

764
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 6: I've ever seen. Bill Belichick got on his face. Incredible.

765
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 4: Now do you think coach wanted to do this just

766
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 4: because he loves football history.

767
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: He loves the history of the game.

768
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: Mary.

769
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: He used to talk about the veer and his dad

770
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: and all the history of you know.

771
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: What that was option football back with Navy and all

772
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: that stuff. So he loved the history.

773
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 5: He was he giving you on you know, every one.

774
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 4: So on a Friday, practice was where you guys practicing

775
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 4: the the free kick situation before half where.

776
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: You fair catch.

777
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all that stuff.

778
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: And you get a freak kick like it hadn't been

779
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 4: done since sixty.

780
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 6: Eight, And he tried it at the end of a

781
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 6: let me yours was the last successful one.

782
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 4: No, I'm talking about the free kick, a situation where

783
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: look before half, if it's the last it could time

784
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 4: could be going. But if you fair catch, you have

785
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 4: an opportunity to have a free kick where it's like

786
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: a kise off and you get to kick it on.

787
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: A tee too.

788
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I know, no, that's the one thing on

789
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: a free kick. But see a free kick, you could

790
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: do a drop kick as well.

791
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

792
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: Now, I was with Morstead, New Orleans Saints punter. He

793
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: was an SMU. It was a college kid. Just after

794
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: I had done this, I retired. I went into the ESPN.

795
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: I started doing games and do an SMU game. He's

796
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: all fired up to meet me, and he's like, after practice,

797
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna do some drop kicks, So we go. I

798
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: saw him hit an eighty yard dropkick. Jesus, it was

799
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: like shot out of it. He was an old rugby

800
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: player and he could hit this thing. The punters that

801
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: have the strong legs hit it on the upswing and

802
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: the ball bounces off the ground a little bit, so

803
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: you get more things like shot out of a cannon. Now,

804
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: the accuracy the ball's doing this. It's hit so hard,

805
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: But in a desperation situation, you could hit like a

806
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: seventy eighty yard drop kick.

807
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: Some of these punters, no, how come you could drop kick.

808
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: I grew up as a kid in Florida, never wore shoes,

809
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: but I learned to kick barefoot, and I never had

810
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: anybody to hold for me. So I'd drop in and

811
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: kick it and just kind of messed around doing it.

812
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: And then Mike Vanderjet and I. Mike was the kicker

813
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: with Indy, yeah or idiot kicker, right kicker, but he

814
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: was our kicker in Toronto, and he and I would

815
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: go out in pregame like hours before, messing around, have

816
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: little competitions, and he could.

817
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: He could really drop kick.

818
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: And when I when we played Indy when I was

819
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, we would go out, I'd meet Mike on

820
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: the field early and we'd mess around drop kicking. And

821
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: that's when Berman saw me doing it. Led to Berman

822
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: talking to and it happening.

823
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: So it's so crazy because I remember when I was,

824
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 4: I was stealing. I was in high school when you

825
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 4: did the drop kick, and I'm old. I'm not young,

826
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 4: but I remember seeing that, and so I always just

827
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: drop kick. And so in practice would be dicking around,

828
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 4: I go to Double Jay's, our old equipment guy, and

829
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 4: I'd drop kick them the ball and everyone be like fluties.

830
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 5: Breeze and I.

831
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: When I was in San Diego, I was I would

832
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: do it all the time, drop kick all the time,

833
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: messing around to practice, and Drew and I would get

834
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: on the line and Breeze and I would play catch

835
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: drop kicking from twenty yards apart, keep it down the line,

836
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: hit it to each other. So Breezy tried one in

837
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl. He's like flutes, says, okay, if I do,

838
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: if I had to do a drop kick. It was

839
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and he tried it and he dropped it

840
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: and had a bad drind and kicked all the line

841
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: driving then the line of scrimmage or something.

842
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 5: It's kind of happy it was successful. That's crazy. Now

843
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 5: you played from.

844
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 4: Eighteen hundreds, Now you played from eighty five to two

845
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 4: thousand and five, twenty years.

846
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 5: What was the biggest change you saw in the.

847
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 4: League in football or through your transition from playing in

848
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 4: three different leagues? I mean people he was he went

849
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 4: to the USFL for the USL or USFL. USFL first

850
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: got a crazy contract, Heisman Trophy winner, then he leaves USFL,

851
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 4: you go to Canada, then you come back to the

852
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: NFL for a bunch like What was the biggest changes

853
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 4: you saw in football in your career?

854
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: It went from because of free agency. In the old days,

855
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: guys were on a team, they were there for a while,

856
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: and you built an offense and you just generically we'd

857
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: go red right sixty four line up in a slip

858
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: back set sixty protection four route was a curl. Everybody

859
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: knew their complimentary route and ran their complimentary route.

860
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: Free agency kicked in.

861
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: Guys were coming for one year and you got to

862
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: learn the offense you got. Now you had to call everything,

863
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: so instead of saying red Rod sixty four, it was

864
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: if you want to put shifts in motion on it.

865
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: And things got more complicated.

866
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: It was like tifty queen left slot close, act for

867
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: zip act four seven six zero f shoot sneak. You

868
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: know you're calling everything, and then you had a second

869
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: play on that too, so.

870
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: You know, alert, alert, whatever. Right, So now the wristband

871
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: thing came into play. I hated that.

872
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: I freaking I hated that I had a freaking radio

873
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: in my head. Well, I came from Canada where we're

874
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: spreading them out and slinging it all over the place.

875
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm calling my own plays, having a blast to the

876
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: second of play ends. You got a radio on your

877
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: home and you're offense coordinators talking to you. All right, Dougie,

878
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: we're looking at it's third and seven. You got you know,

879
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah whatever, play check this, blah

880
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Alert, be be alert for the

881
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: weak side, blitz if they bring two weeks were hot left,

882
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: but you know whatever, shut the hell up. I got

883
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: it right. I was at practice on Wednesday. I know

884
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: what we're looking for, right, so you stop thinking, Not

885
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: that you stopped thinking, but I went from in Canada,

886
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: call my own place from Hey, how was he playing

887
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: you on the backside?

888
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: Hey, no, he's inside technique. We got the corner route on.

889
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: Let's go.

890
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll go uh, let's go rebel, right, we gotta

891
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: let's go smash her out on the backside.

892
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: You guys will go three seventy one on the front side, bah, bah.

893
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: Bah, and kind of thinking, thinking the play through and

894
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: knowing where I wanted to put people to shut the

895
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: hell up and listen and getting I hated the radio

896
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: and the helmet. I liked thinking on my toes. I

897
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: had to be alert for down in distancing situations. And

898
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: what we did in Canada, we back in this early

899
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: is like ninety two empty sets, calling quarterback runs out

900
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: of empty if if they're two high safeties in there.

901
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 2: We got five guys.

902
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: Blocking four in the box and I'm off and run

903
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: and running trap well, quarterback counter whatever and all that

904
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: RPO stuff that started with Damon Allen.

905
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: Marcus Allen's younger brother was at Edmonton.

906
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 5: And Dame.

907
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: We ran all our run game out of.

908
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: Gun and Damon was eyeing the backside in and pulling

909
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 1: the ball and running naked off and if he closed down,

910
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I can do that.

911
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: Then I did it, and i'd you.

912
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: Know, get five seven yards in the corner. Would someone

913
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: come off on the slot whatever, make the tackle. I'm like,

914
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: screw that. You run a fade and you running out.

915
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: If he comes off, I'm throwing you the ball. And

916
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: we started doing this stuff. Chip Kelly came up to Toronto.

917
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: He was at U n H at the time.

918
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: He came up to Toronto and watched all our film

919
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: and was asking questions about this, that and the other thing.

920
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: And then he goes to U n H and just

921
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: starts lighting it up. Was he turned it into zone

922
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: read and then he went to Oregon and it all

923
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: became the zone read stuff.

924
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: But we were because.

925
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: In Canada we didn't have we didn't have rains on us.

926
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: You know, I say, hey, what do you want to run, Jullian?

927
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: You give me, just give me an option round. I'll

928
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: crush them.

929
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: Just give me. Okay, you do that, you clear them

930
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: mount on the outside.

931
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: You guys in huddle, Yeah, oh yeah, it's like I

932
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: mean you had your your plays, but we go to

933
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: we could talk because I was calling to play.

934
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 5: You were also Tom Brady, a goddamn of Canada footballs.

935
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 3: So like it.

936
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's a little different where you know,

937
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 4: if you're the Flutes in Canada.

938
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 7: Now, do you think that that play styled a little

939
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 7: bit more of like kind of like the Fluty magic,

940
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 7: the running around making plays just you know, use your

941
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 7: soul instead of using your brain. Worked really well for

942
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 7: you in Canada.

943
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: It worked in Canada, and I yes, you could get

944
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:43,959
Speaker 2: the CFL game.

945
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: You could get away with being an athlete. I'd say,

946
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. If Jewels had gone to

947
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: the CFL as a quarterback, he would have stayed a quarterback.

948
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: It just would have been ons. You know, still got

949
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 4: a contract to this day.

950
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: They took my rights.

951
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet he would have gone up as a

952
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: quarterback because you could, as a quarterback in that league

953
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: get away being.

954
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: An athlete and taken off and scrambling and be competitive.

955
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: The difference was because the field was wider, wider, it

956
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: was wider, there was more space. It was like a joke.

957
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: If you wanted to scramble, it was a joke. It's like, okay,

958
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: it's all I remember the first first preseason game, we

959
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: had slants or something and I held it and I

960
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: moved to the right, went outside and kind of turned

961
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: the corner. I'm like, holy macro, I got twelve more yards.

962
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: You know, you kind of have a muscle memory on

963
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: what it took to turn the corner and stay in bounds.

964
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: And I got all kinds of space out there, So

965
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: that part of it lent to my abilities. But also

966
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: I was still a pocket passer. I still did the

967
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: mental part of the game and could pick things apart

968
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: and all that, and then when things broke down, take off, you.

969
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: Know, and we'll get into the game. But we were

970
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 4: watching this game and Flutes is five to nine.

971
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: And in three quarters, in three quarters and three quarters.

972
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: Not anymore, though, I gotta be I I'm under five

973
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 2: nine now, honestly measured.

974
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 5: Everyone always says that.

975
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 4: And I always like when people call me shorter because

976
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 4: it's it's more impressive. Yes, you know what I mean,

977
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 4: you know it comes the thing, Yes, no doubt, I'm

978
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 4: five eight okay, but regardless, but you watch huh Dustin

979
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 4: Pretorius five two by now.

980
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 6: Laser show shut out, Peacha love you.

981
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 4: But you watch this game and when you have a

982
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 4: shorter quarterback, I was a shorter quarterback. The in breaking

983
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 4: route like passing in the intermediate is it was the

984
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: hardest thing. But if you watch this, I mean, I

985
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: think you started with thirteen for thirteen or twelve for twelve,

986
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 4: and all the plays you're stepping up in the pocket

987
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 4: and you're hitting guys on twenty yard incuts. You're hitting

988
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: like you had that vision which was it's you were

989
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 4: a pocket passer.

990
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: I had Tom Coughlin as an offensive coordinator at Boston

991
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: College for my first three years. He built my discipline,

992
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: taught me to coverage and so what I did make

993
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: blind throws, but I knew where the defenders were, right,

994
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: I find the defender, you find that little window and

995
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: then boom in the gap, you know, timing wise, here

996
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: he comes bang. That was you know was and you

997
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: brought up in routes. And early in the game we

998
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: hit a couple with Girard coming in on third downs

999
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: and they played a three deep zone, but the corner

1000
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: locked on with Girard and chased them, chase his ass

1001
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: all the way in and after our first third down conversion.

1002
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: I go to Gerard, I'm like, was that the corner

1003
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: in your ass? He goes, yeah, he chased me. I

1004
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: go have his zone coverage and I go, hey, next

1005
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: time we call that put your foot in the ground

1006
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: round a corner route.

1007
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: And it was a pokonon I saw that. Yeah.

1008
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: Later in the game, two huge third downs in the

1009
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, I think Gerard put his foot in the

1010
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: ground round the corner round.

1011
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's just like he started in.

1012
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: The guy who says boom took off and uh we cried.

1013
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: And it's amazing to me to.

1014
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: Think that I was so relaxed at that time that

1015
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: I saw it. You know that you see you know

1016
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: it's it's three D zone. You're thinking, I got the

1017
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: post in comedy, I'm going to go in down to

1018
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: the underneath route, right.

1019
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 2: It wasn't that way.

1020
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: I saw that guy chasing him, Gerard saw him chasing.

1021
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: I waited, boom. He went through the corner round Meg.

1022
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: That's what they call him Meg where they locked the

1023
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: guy on him. It's crazy. Did you ever consider changing

1024
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 4: positions when you when you left college or did people

1025
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 4: ask you to change positions because you're ridiculous?

1026
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: Athlete.

1027
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: Not when I left college, but when I came to BC,

1028
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: there were four upper classmen ahead of me. Gerard was

1029
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: my roommate. He's already seen playing time as a receiver

1030
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: on run situation, special teams. He's on the field. I'm

1031
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: not really on the field. My first place to BC

1032
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: were Punker turned I opening day against A and M

1033
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm back there fielding punts.

1034
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: He liked that, but it was.

1035
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: Like I was very close to going and said, hey,

1036
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: moveing to a receiver because I knew I thought I

1037
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: was a better athlete than some of the guys that

1038
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: were on the field.

1039
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know I can be on the field.

1040
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 2: I'm not on the field now.

1041
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: And I was a step away from asking at DC

1042
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: to move to because they were upper now. None of

1043
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: the guys actually actually Matt Ryan's uncle, Sehn Loffery was

1044
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: the original starting quarterback. He tore attendant in his thumb,

1045
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: and then the other two guys got a chance to

1046
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: play didn't play well. I finally got into the game

1047
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: and at Penn State and lit it up and was

1048
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 1: off and running.

1049
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 4: Ain't nobody ever want to put flute in, But when

1050
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 4: you put flute in, You're always gonna win, right baby.

1051
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 5: That's how it goes.

1052
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 4: We'll be right back after this quick break. Now let's

1053
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 4: go back in time. We have a segment where we

1054
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 4: go back in time towards the era of the game.

1055
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 5: That is wayn So let's go around.

1056
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: No. November twenty third, nineteen eighty four, Number one movie

1057
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 4: super Girl.

1058
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, no idea. I didn't watch it. It

1059
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: was a flop flop.

1060
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: I never heard of it.

1061
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.

1062
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 6: Thirty five million dollar budget, only made fourteen mil. Was

1063
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,479
Speaker 6: this was fade done away? But it was a movie.

1064
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 2: It was number one that weekend.

1065
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: It was Thanksgiving weekends about weekend movie weekend.

1066
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, number one song Wake Me Up before.

1067
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: You go go Michael Wam You know that one. Yeah.

1068
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: Gerard Love Gerard loved guy. He was.

1069
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: I was like Van Halen and shoot Motley Cruz whatever.

1070
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: Gerard loved Wham. Oh I big John John. I'd been

1071
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: to more bon Jovie concerts than John has been.

1072
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 6: You know what.

1073
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 5: I saw him yesterday. I saw him yesterday and we've doubledly.

1074
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 5: He's he's such a good looking dude.

1075
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Harris silver Fox, you see that smile.

1076
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 4: My handsome uh Wes Craven's Nightmare on Elm Street Premieeres.

1077
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: I I saw it. It was a classic. It was

1078
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: one of those you know that's that's Freddy Fruger.

1079
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Terminator, karate Kid, Ghostbusters.

1080
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: The original karate Kid Original, the original ghost wax Off.

1081
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 5: Wax Wax was mister MIANGI.

1082
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 4: By the way, hey, sweet, the leg sweet. I have

1083
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 4: Alex Guerrero from the first time I ever met him.

1084
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 4: He's in my phone as Alex Miagi because he was

1085
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 4: like that weird you know what I mean, all those

1086
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 4: little techniques and the ship. That's what I used to

1087
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 4: call him, Alex Mihagi, Purple purple rain uh Man karate Kid.

1088
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 4: That was such a crazy, crazy cultural fun.

1089
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: What was life like for you in nineteen Oh my gosh,

1090
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: my senior year college.

1091
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: I was, I didn't. I was football, football.

1092
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: Football, Lenard Skinner, I've always skinnered nut, skinnered nutt. I'm

1093
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: listening back eighty four. I was listening to a lot

1094
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: of Van Halen Nice. In fact, there's like a highlight

1095
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: reel from our senior year and We're at the Cotton

1096
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: Bowl in the locker room and I'm blaring Van Halen

1097
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: Stuffing Street. But I was just I was a naive kid, shy.

1098
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: I didn't party, I didn't go out, I didn't do squad.

1099
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: I was just football. Then I signed with Trump in

1100
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: the USFL and all that at the end of my

1101
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: senior year. But I was a once. Once football season

1102
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: was over, I was a hoops junkie, lived in the

1103
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: reck Plex playing.

1104
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: I still I tried.

1105
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: I played on the cruise ship a couple of weeks

1106
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: ago with old guys. It's like we took it to

1107
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: the young. We lost the chain. There was a three

1108
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: on three tournament. So I'm sixty one. I got a

1109
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: fifty seven year old and another sixty year old on

1110
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: my team, and we're playing like young college kids. And

1111
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: we made it to the finals.

1112
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 6: Let's go.

1113
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: We made it to the finals. And then they realized

1114
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: to stop shooting. Like I said, guys, back off. We're

1115
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: on a cruise ship, right, that's the ship's moving, the

1116
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: winds blowing.

1117
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: Back off. These kids are too stupid to do anything

1118
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 2: but shoot.

1119
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: They'll shoot the ball and we you know people and

1120
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: we just you know, going to get some layups and

1121
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: beat them. But then finally the kids smartened up in

1122
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: the champion. They just went inside and like put it

1123
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: up until they Yeah, but we lost that.

1124
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 3: What's your f ball game?

1125
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: Like?

1126
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: I was a point guard. I was a non shoot.

1127
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: Now I'm a shoot Now I shoot the ball well

1128
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: once at three point three point line wasn't in play

1129
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: when I was in high school in college, right, So

1130
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: it was like if you took an outside shot, you

1131
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: were stupid.

1132
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: You know.

1133
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: It's like, don't do that.

1134
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: It's work until there's no shot clock and there's no

1135
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: three pointer. That's wait till we get a good shot.

1136
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: I was a penetrating, dish guy and all that and

1137
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: had fun fat to BC.

1138
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: I played my four years of football. I didn't red shirt.

1139
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: I signed my contract, left in the spring, came back

1140
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: the following fall to finish up, and Michael Adams was

1141
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: a starter. Mike had left of the NBA and Gary

1142
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: Williams Cook. Gary came and asked me to play for

1143
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: the team because I used to play pick up with

1144
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: the team all the time. I was gonna there's a

1145
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: picture of me somewhere ap of me walking the ball

1146
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: up the court.

1147
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: We were working out.

1148
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: Bill Walton had just signed with the Bill had just

1149
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: signed with the Celtics. A bunch of Celtics guys were

1150
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: BC and we're all playing pick up and I'm walking

1151
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: up the floor of Bill Walton next to me. I'd

1152
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: asked Trump permission to play with BC's like, knock yourself out,

1153
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: do whatever, and then he saw that picture.

1154
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: He's like, I can't let you do it.

1155
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 3: You get hurt.

1156
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm out a lot of money. So I ended up

1157
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: not doing it.

1158
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 6: Damn that rock. We're a big pro Bill Walton podcast

1159
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 6: so here and that was that was.

1160
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 3: Rip, man, rip. That was sad these last weeks, man.

1161
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 5: You know with Walton. I grew up in the.

1162
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 4: Bay Area, so I love the Pac twelve and then

1163
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 4: I moved out here and there was nothing like college

1164
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 4: sports here. No, it was nothing like a Tuesday night

1165
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 4: at eleven o'clock, ten o'clock at night here, and you

1166
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 4: hear Bill Walton having a mushroom story when heddamn basketball

1167
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 4: and he's talking about the goddamn grateful dead like I

1168
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 4: can feel he could fill the air.

1169
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 6: Nothing like it, man, that will be again either.

1170
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 3: Oh.

1171
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 5: In the sports world.

1172
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty four national champions were BYU that.

1173
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: Bothered all of us.

1174
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: BYU went undefeated because they didn't play anybody. And then

1175
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: they played Michigan, who had like a six and five record.

1176
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: They played Michigan in the bowl game out in San Diego,

1177
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: and and.

1178
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: They claim a national championship. That bothered all of us.

1179
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: I'd love it.

1180
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 7: You know, there's Catholics versus Convicts. I'd love Catholics versus Warmans.

1181
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: Oh, religious warfare. Quarterbacks.

1182
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 6: Jim McMahon, no.

1183
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 3: Doing tie tie.

1184
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 2: Oh.

1185
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 6: This was Robbie Bosco. I believe that.

1186
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: Very very good win the Heisman in nineteen eighty four.

1187
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: Joey Baggadona. Yeah, Joey finished second.

1188
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 5: How the hell Doug Fley wins the Heisman nineteen four?

1189
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 5: How was that? That was nuts?

1190
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: That was my junior year. I actually finished third. It

1191
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: was Mike Rozier, Steve Young and then me. And so

1192
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: I was the front runner going into my senior year,

1193
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: and we had a big win early in the year

1194
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: against Alabama at Alabama.

1195
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 2: I was two and zero.

1196
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: Against Bama, by the way, just betting that out. I

1197
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,479
Speaker 1: was the front runner most of the year. The Hail

1198
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: Mary happens, and it's like, now I'm thinking this is

1199
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: something was so out of the question to me. Of

1200
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: having in the realm of possibilities of winning the Heisman.

1201
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: It became honestly, what if I don't win it? Now

1202
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: I have to have that prepared, you know, How do

1203
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: I answer questions about not winning it? The day of

1204
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: the Heisman though we played Holy Cross that day, it

1205
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: was the last regular season game. I go from there,

1206
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: did a quick press conference, go in a van with

1207
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: the family and everybody to a local airport. Uh BCLM

1208
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: had a private jet waiting. We take off, go to

1209
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: Peterborough in Jersey. We land, put my wife and I

1210
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: who my girlfriend at the time fiance. We take a

1211
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: helicopter ride over to the city. My parents, everybody got

1212
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: limos and head over the city. Helicopter ride landed a

1213
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: heliport across the street from the downtown Athletic Club. Get

1214
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: out of the helicopter. Well, first of all, we're going over.

1215
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: We had a little extra time, and I go any

1216
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: chance we can do like a tour of the city.

1217
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: And the helicopter guy, you know, he's ask permission. He

1218
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: knock yourself out, you know, Doug Fludeo, it's his day. Go,

1219
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: so we do a little lap around. This is my

1220
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: twenty you know, We're twenty one, twenty two years old.

1221
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: My wife and I in al in.

1222
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: A helicopter.

1223
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: Cruising around New York City. We land on the across

1224
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: the street. Now I'm a kid out and we had

1225
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: no money, nothing. I'd never done anything like this. So

1226
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 1: they have a limo drive us literally across the street.

1227
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: Get out of the car, go up. They had a

1228
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: room waiting, they had food and stuff. I had about

1229
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: twenty minutes to kill and it's all sad, and my

1230
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: wife looks at me and goes, you think they do

1231
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: this for everybody.

1232
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: You had to have won. There's no way to do this.

1233
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: They had no way.

1234
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you don't know until they announce it, and

1235
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: that that was just all very surreal.

1236
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: It was.

1237
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: It was just a cool experience.

1238
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: And what's really cool now is go back every year

1239
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: and be around that room with the guys and the

1240
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: storytelling that goes on. There's a hospitality suite every weekend,

1241
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's just it's just the storytelling

1242
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: and the guys that have been together for so many years.

1243
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: And the sad part is every year, you know, somebody

1244
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: passes away. And they used to have the Daist set

1245
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: up as and they still do, but by age. And

1246
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: at the end they put a helmet to represent anyone

1247
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: that passed since. And it's like, once I get to

1248
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: the other side of this table, I'm not going anymore.

1249
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: It's like that I'm still I'm still left of the podium.

1250
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm still on this side of the podium. Once I'm

1251
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: on that side, forget it.

1252
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: I'm not going on.

1253
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 7: But you know what, next year for the Heisman, we're

1254
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 7: getting in an addition, we're getting Reggie Bush back.

1255
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: Reggie coming back. So it was Reggie, Reggie's younger than me.

1256
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: That's gonna fuck me on the other side.

1257
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: That's gonna to the other side right there that he

1258
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 2: I'm done. I'm not going.

1259
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 5: How do you go back to campus after that?

1260
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: It was really like you fly to Heisman, Okay, that

1261
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: night's the TV event, and then you're there for a

1262
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: couple of days doing luncheons, whatever, blah blah blah, and

1263
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: they wear you out.

1264
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: I was worn out for three.

1265
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: Days and doing no So what I did was I

1266
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: wanted to be back on campus. I flew back that

1267
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: night and flew back to New York, like I took

1268
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:48,959
Speaker 1: a day before I went back to New.

1269
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: York because it was such a whirlwind. I hated all

1270
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: that stuff.

1271
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: And then it was really cool because one of the

1272
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: women that worked for NBC when I was doing broadcasting

1273
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: came up to she was a BC around the time

1274
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: I was at school.

1275
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: She was on campus.

1276
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: She said, and you don't know this stuff goes on.

1277
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: You don't know how people perceive you and what their

1278
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: attitude about you is. At AWE, it was a really

1279
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: cool story of how everybody got to go together in

1280
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: their common areas to watch the presentation show and the announcement,

1281
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: and how you could have heard a pin drop on

1282
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: campus and then when the announcement of the place exploded,

1283
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: everybody's out partying and throwing, you know, vandalizing probably, but yeah,

1284
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: and that it is just cool stories to hear because

1285
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: you weren't a part of that. You didn't know that

1286
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: was going on.

1287
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 4: So you I heard you wanted to be back on campus.

1288
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 4: What's like the food spot you went to and went to?

1289
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 4: What the food spot did you go to?

1290
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: Pinos?

1291
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:39,959
Speaker 2: I went to Pino.

1292
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: I still go to Pinos anytime I'm near Cleveland Circle

1293
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: or BC.

1294
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: I swined by Pinos. They used to hand roll their

1295
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: own Pepperoni.

1296
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 3: It was awesome.

1297
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: They don't do that anymore. Like, I was very disappointed.

1298
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: I talked to you. I was like, you got to

1299
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: go back to the old pepperoni.

1300
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 4: They say that's Isn't that the sister restaurant of Joe's

1301
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 4: in New York.

1302
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

1303
00:59:58,520 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. Well.

1304
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 4: Of our partners, he always talks, we need to go

1305
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 4: to Pinos all the time. Get the cheese steak there,

1306
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 4: you get to you get the slice of pizza. I

1307
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 4: always love to hear, like the college spot, yes, that

1308
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 4: you like to eat at.

1309
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: That for me was was Panos. I'd always hit Pianos.

1310
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: There was a place called Fantastic Food Factory that was

1311
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: down on the back side of It wasn't Beacon, it

1312
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: was on tom It was the twenty four hour food.

1313
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 2: You could go there anytime of the.

1314
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: Night, morning, whatever, and everybody always it was.

1315
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 2: It was junk. It was horrible, but it was open

1316
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: middle of the night.

1317
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 3: Fantastic four.

1318
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 5: All right, let's jump into this. Let's starting this before.

1319
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 7: One thing before we wrap up in nineteen eighty four

1320
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 7: is because you need to four nine have won the

1321
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 7: Super Bowl, Dimrina won MVP. Larry Bird won m v

1322
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 7: P and it was Michael Jordan and Mario Lemus rookie season.

1323
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 6: A year sports.

1324
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: What you I got Jordan that first of all Bird.

1325
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: You know, Bird was my generation, like that was Larry.

1326
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: I still watched Larry Bird highlights on my phone, always, always,

1327
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: always because it was I'm old, I can't move anymore.

1328
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: So if I played basketball, I better be smart. And

1329
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: it's like the stuff he did was so like. I

1330
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: loved when he'd have his back to the guy like

1331
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: trying to back him in. He'd reach around the guy

1332
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: with a two handed pass.

1333
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: And go like that, pull up the guy turn his

1334
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 2: head and just sit there. Stuff that takes no athleticism, right,

1335
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 2: It was just just.

1336
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 5: Smart, this sweet away He's like he played kind of

1337
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 5: like Luca he just because Lucas like that, or or

1338
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 5: or or Joker. You know these guys.

1339
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 4: They're like the savvy dude at the WYMCA when you're

1340
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 4: watching them, like the tall, good dude at the WYMCA.

1341
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 4: That just playing with all young guys and still just

1342
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 4: roping a dope in joke.

1343
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: Larry didn't get enough credit for being as athletic as

1344
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: he was when he was young, because we all picture

1345
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: him it later when his feet were bothering me.

1346
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 2: He's just shooting.

1347
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: But he did whatever the situation called for, and it

1348
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: was just a reaction to whatever was.

1349
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 2: Going on in front of him. Passed through.

1350
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: Creams, legs, just behind the back, all the stuff that

1351
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: he just reacted to whatever the situation was in front

1352
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: of him.

1353
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: He was great.

1354
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 6: I was watching the one the other day where he

1355
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 6: had the Atlanta bench literally like falling over as he's torching.

1356
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, in New Orleans. They played that random

1357
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 6: game in New Orleans.

1358
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: Sixty something points, he's falling out of bounds three and

1359
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: the guy in his face and it goes in and

1360
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: the guy's on the Atlanta bench are just cracking up

1361
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: on each other.

1362
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 2: You gotta be kidding.

1363
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 3: What about that?

1364
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 4: There was the one game where some guy talked to

1365
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 4: him and so he played like the whole second half

1366
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 4: and only shot with his left hand hand.

1367
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: Well, he went into a game saying I'm going to

1368
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: just play this game left hand. He scored eighteen or

1369
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: twenty of his points left handed that night.

1370
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just stupid stuff, Larry.

1371
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: We were my wife and I were first row balcony

1372
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: of the old Garden for the game where Bird steals

1373
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: the ball and the inbounds passed from my day and he.

1374
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 2: Hits DJ going to the hoop. Yeah, we were that's.

1375
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 6: Some Boston fotball flutes, was there.

1376
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 5: I mean, and there's a flood, gonna see flu there's

1377
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 5: a there's a championship game, You're gonna see flutes.

1378
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 2: It was, it was. It was a fun time.

1379
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: It was a fun run with their championships and always

1380
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: watching the Red Sox and it's just and then unbelievable,

1381
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: you guys, you know, just so spoiled, the Boston so spoiled.

1382
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 6: Best sports town in the world.

1383
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: But my, my Jordan's story was it was during the

1384
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: NFL strike and the Bulls were starting to practice and

1385
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: we used to go play a pickup ball with the Bulls.

1386
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen Jordan's you know, I used to cover Sadel three.

1387
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: He played with l A and he was in Chicago

1388
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: at the time. Because it was the only guy that

1389
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: I could almost you know, he was only four or

1390
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: five inches.

1391
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: Taller than me.

1392
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: And uh that was that was a cool time when

1393
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,959
Speaker 1: Jordan would show up, Like the days Jordan went there,

1394
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: I handled the ball, covered my guy had a hoop

1395
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: or two, you know, comfortable.

1396
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 2: When Jordan was there, the intensity went through the roof.

1397
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: And I was just like, get the ball something, you know,

1398
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: get ready to get it out of your hand. It

1399
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: was I remember walking through the training room and Jordan's

1400
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: getting taped and I started by he going, oh, Doug,

1401
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: your brother had a that's your brother place for BC.

1402
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I got a great game against Syracuse.

1403
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: My brother broke his hand and had to cast on

1404
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: one heyes receiver and he had a couple of touchdowns,

1405
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: a couple of one headed catches.

1406
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 2: All that.

1407
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: Jordan saw it and he's like, bet, I thought that

1408
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: was the coolest thing ever. A little different from when

1409
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: the first time I met him.

1410
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 6: Mike probably won a lot of money on that game.

1411
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 4: So we've already talked about the story's out there. But

1412
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 4: the first time I met him, we were in the

1413
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 4: Super Bowl fourteen and it's him and Jeter and I'm

1414
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 4: out to dinner. I'm taking my folks out of dinner

1415
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 4: before the Super Bowl and I'm leaving and I see

1416
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 4: Derek Jeter and Michael Jordan and I'm like sitting there like,

1417
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 4: oh my god, this is our show. I gotta go

1418
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 4: see hi to him, you know what I mean, Jeter,

1419
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 4: most charming dude ever. Jordan didn't say a word until

1420
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 4: I was about to leave. He goes, hey, kid, I

1421
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 4: got a lot of money on you. Don't fuck it up.

1422
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, just my oh my god, I wouldn't want

1423
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: it any other way.

1424
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 3: Let's talk about this Miami Hurricanes.

1425
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: Let's oh these guys. They were sick. We had no

1426
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: business being on that field. We had no business.

1427
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 4: If you were to watch that game, their defense, you

1428
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 4: were carving them up.

1429
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: They played some it's like, are you kidding me? Three

1430
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: deep three like Penn State was a dream country. Penn

1431
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: State played the like they dropped the spots.

1432
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

1433
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: It was the difference in that game was we sacked

1434
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: Bernie I think twice and picked them off twice. And

1435
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: that was the only difference in the game. You know,

1436
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: we went up and down, but they like, you couldn't

1437
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: tackle Eddie Brown, you couldn't tackle well. Alonzo Highsmith was hurt.

1438
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: A guy named Oh my god, how am I drawing

1439
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: a blank on it? You had five touchdowns that day

1440
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: running back, but he had the day of his life.

1441
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 6: That was Melvin Bratton Melvin Bratton.

1442
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we couldn't tackle these guys.

1443
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: They were like elitea Eddie Brown, Willie Smith, Alonso Bernie

1444
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: a quarterback defensively, you know, they were just stud athletes

1445
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: and we were my senior class. There was a coaching

1446
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: change of BC. We were a bunch of Ivy League kids.

1447
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: We were going to go to Ivy League schools. Gerard

1448
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: was going to go to the Naval Academy and all that.

1449
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: There was a coaching change of BC, and they were

1450
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,959
Speaker 1: just scrambling and signing guys we didn't belong on the field.

1451
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 6: But then Jimmy Johnson's first year too, first year. But

1452
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 6: because see I always in my mind looking back in

1453
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 6: this game, it always feels like the full David Glass.

1454
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 6: But like this was number ten and number twelve ranked

1455
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 6: teams at the time, which was they were coming.

1456
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 2: We were.

1457
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: It's it's why you play the game, you know. It's

1458
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: like the Boise State thing against Oklahoma. I remember all

1459
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: the pundits that I was. Yeah, they won the game,

1460
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: but they're not as good as And it's about winning

1461
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: the game, right, It's about making plays, doing what you

1462
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: have to to win.

1463
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 2: We finessed people.

1464
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: Actually, I say that we ran the ball great we

1465
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: had we have Boston College has always had good offensive

1466
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: linemen that ended up going NFL.

1467
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 2: Cope was a BC guy.

1468
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: So actually in the Cotton Bowl we ran, We rushed

1469
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: the ball for well over two hundred yards and all that,

1470
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: so we we could. We had Troy Strafford was our

1471
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: tailback that played nine years, and three of our receivers

1472
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: played in the NFL. Two tight ends, four or five linemen.

1473
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: Bill Romanowski was on defense. You know, we we had,

1474
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: We had players. We had the guys at.

1475
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 2: The vault in the player.

1476
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 3: I love Stokes's face. It's like that dude was crazy.

1477
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 2: Kelvin Martin was the only real athlete on the field.

1478
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 2: He was he was.

1479
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: He was an NFL talent athlete. He weighed one hundred

1480
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: and sixty pounds. He was like one fifty three when

1481
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: he came in. He was played one hundred fifty three

1482
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: pounds when he came in as a rushman.

1483
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: But he was amazing.

1484
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 6: You guys were averaging thirty three, almost thirty four points a.

1485
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 5: Game, so it was at a trophy winner, of course,

1486
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 5: they are right.

1487
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: Well, it was at a time when we could we

1488
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: threw the ball and not a lot of college teams

1489
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: were good or efficient at throwing the ball.

1490
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 2: B why you was doing it? We were doing it.

1491
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 2: Iowa had a guy Long.

1492
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: Chuck Long, who could throw the ball, and you know

1493
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: passing offense, you had that. That was the equalizer with

1494
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: teams like playing Alabama and playing whoever.

1495
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 2: We played Miami, we could throw the.

1496
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 3: Ball at him the d lines. It's tough. Get you can't.

1497
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 3: You can't run the ball against those big boys.

1498
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: Steeve Trapilo was the first round draft choice offensive line

1499
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: for US. Mart McDonald played in the NFL. I think

1500
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: first a second. Twombly played with denver.

1501
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 2: Is.

1502
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: You go down the list and all these guys. Gerard

1503
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: was drafted but had a bad knee injury. My brother

1504
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: Darren played in the NFL for three years, and a

1505
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: bunch of Canada Kenny Bell, Steestrahan, and Troy Strafford. All

1506
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: three running backs had careers in the NFL.

1507
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous.

1508
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 4: How would you sum up this nineteen eighty four Boston

1509
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 4: College team.

1510
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: We were the class that nobody wanted. So it was overachievers.

1511
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: It was all guys, and you guys talked about it

1512
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: on stage. It's you don't want to let your teammate down.

1513
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: Trust thing and all that. That's who we were. And

1514
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: I always say, at a college level, you get away

1515
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 1: with that. You know, at the NFL level, you need

1516
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: a Randy Moss, you need a couple of those guys.

1517
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: But at the college level, we didn't know. We weren't

1518
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: supposed to beat Alabama. We didn't know we were supposed

1519
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: We weren't supposed to beat Clemson in Miami.

1520
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:40,919
Speaker 2: And we weren't supposed to be on the field.

1521
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 3: With those guys.

1522
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 4: You know what, when I went to Kent State, I

1523
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 4: was playing quarterback out there.

1524
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 3: I would get so.

1525
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 5: Mad when we would go and play like we played

1526
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 5: Ohio State and a lot of these kids they grew

1527
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 5: up in Ohio, so they we lost the game before, yes,

1528
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 5: it even started, because they were intimidated, like, oh this

1529
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 5: is they made it such a thing. But to hear

1530
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 5: that your team, we didn't know better. He didn't care.

1531
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: We were naive. We were Steve ster.

1532
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: Han, who wind up playing in the NFL for a

1533
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:11,799
Speaker 1: while with the Raiders.

1534
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 2: Steve.

1535
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: We go to Clemson to play Clemson. Clemson was a

1536
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: defended national champion. They told coach Bick don't have your

1537
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: team on the field. When they touched the rock and

1538
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: come down, it's very intimidating. A sea of orange and

1539
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: all that bits, like is that cool?

1540
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 2: I want to see it?

1541
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1542
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 2: And that's who were we show up?

1543
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: Ster Han's like putting grabbing bags of grass like baggies

1544
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: and putting the great saying I played at Clemson and

1545
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: that on the shelf. Yeah, that type of stuff.

1546
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 2: But then we played. We didn't know.

1547
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: We weren't supposed to be on the field with guys

1548
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: like the Fridge and all these first.

1549
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: Round draft choice guys.

1550
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 5: How was it having Coughlin as a as a KEB coach?

1551
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: It was? And and I go Tod, Yeah, I go

1552
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 1: to his golf tournament every year.

1553
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 2: And he and I still talk about this.

1554
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 5: Are you taking the eugen X when you're when you're there?

1555
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 5: Because I see in the commercial.

1556
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 2: Genecks total t.

1557
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: He I was the mostest I was Tom Brady during

1558
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: the years that I had Tom Coafflin, I was the

1559
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: most disciplined I'd ever been. I got my best grades.

1560
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 1: I was a Rhodes scholar Candon, I was a finalist

1561
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,839
Speaker 1: for Rhodes School. I got more out of myself because

1562
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: of his discipline in me and teach. He taught me

1563
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: more football than any other football coach. Then on game

1564
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: that I head coach, big so I was relaxed and

1565
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: went out and just bawled and played. But he to

1566
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: this day we ran a whirlybird option like trap option,

1567
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: come down the line. I can still do the footwork

1568
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: because he ingrained it into my head five minutes every

1569
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,560
Speaker 1: day doing that stupid footwork. And he was He was meticulous,

1570
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: and he was what I needed as a college kid.

1571
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: Coughlin was the best thing ever happened to me and

1572
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: gave me the chance to do what I did.

1573
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 4: No, I almost signed with him in thirteen. I was

1574
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:56,759
Speaker 4: a free agent.

1575
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 2: Where was he giant?

1576
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 3: He was a giant.

1577
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 4: He was the head coach and I sat in his

1578
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 4: office with his little red cheeks and uh.

1579
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 5: You guys got some red cheeks.

1580
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: Well when I signed with you guys at five, I

1581
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: almost signed with the Giants to go with Coughlin because

1582
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: Coughlin was a head coach and the offense coordinator was

1583
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: John Huffnagel, who was my coordinator in Calgary.

1584
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 4: But you could just tell that you know him and

1585
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 4: Bill came from that same kind of tree. From the

1586
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 4: parcel thing. You could just tell he was a tough

1587
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 4: dude and he ran his ship tight tight.

1588
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: All my classes had to be in the morning, done

1589
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: before noon, Go grab lunch. I'll meet you here at

1590
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:38,839
Speaker 1: one o'clock.

1591
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 2: You're here.

1592
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 1: You know, regular meetings didn't start till whenever, but I

1593
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: always met with him first. And you you know, it

1594
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 1: was that you better be early and the book is open.

1595
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: You're ready to take notes. Feet flat on the four

1596
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: no no elbows on the table, all that stuff, no

1597
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: hats in the meeting room, just regiment.

1598
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 2: And he built discipline in me.

1599
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,839
Speaker 3: Geez, what do you think about the Billy O'Brien ara.

1600
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 2: I saw Billy last night. I'm excited for him.

1601
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 1: I don't know why the hell anybody would take a

1602
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: college coaching job anymore. I just I it's all just

1603
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: a game change, or everything's different. You're gonna have these

1604
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: kids and develop them. You got to spring to develop.

1605
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: These kids are going to play in the fall and

1606
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: then they're gonna leave you next year.

1607
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 2: You know, I love BC. I love the football.

1608
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: I'd love to see them because there's no reason why

1609
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: they can't be competitive football wise. In the in the ACC.

1610
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: Basketball is another question. But I just think we should

1611
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: be in the mix. You know, there's Clemson, maybe Florida

1612
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: State talent wise, and then everybody else, and we should

1613
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: be the top of everybody else and giving them a

1614
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: run for their money.

1615
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 5: I mean, you got to recruit your own goddamn players. Yeah,

1616
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 5: that's what I mean.

1617
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 2: Every year, every year.

1618
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 6: That's that's every year in high school transport team.

1619
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: I just talked about all these guys, and I could

1620
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: tell you all kinds of were the bond that I

1621
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: had with my BC guys four years together, you know,

1622
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: and we still see each other, we're in text change

1623
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:03,759
Speaker 1: and email.

1624
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: These kids aren't going to have that.

1625
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: They're going to a school about the money, not about

1626
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: the school, not about the.

1627
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 2: Coach, about the money.

1628
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 1: They play for a year, and if they're not the guy,

1629
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: if they're not doing what they hope they could do,

1630
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: they're gone. Then if they do what they hope they

1631
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: could do, they're still looking for more money.

1632
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 2: Out of somewhere up. So there's that's all out the window,

1633
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 2: you know.

1634
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 4: I was thinking about it, like I went to Kent

1635
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 4: State my first year, we bawled out. We had like

1636
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 4: a historic here for the school. If it was this time,

1637
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 4: I would have went to Oregon right after.

1638
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 3: I mean, why wouldn't you?

1639
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 6: Why wouldn't you?

1640
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 2: Well, that's how you.

1641
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 5: Get a lot more money. You're gonna need to play

1642
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 5: in the West Cup, you know what I mean?

1643
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: Like Kent State, Boston College, Wake Forest, those types of

1644
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: school We first.

1645
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:53,600
Speaker 4: Off don't put us in that category two below, but

1646
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 4: I appreciate the point is that those type of schools

1647
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 4: take a risk on a guy that they see talent

1648
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 4: in and develop them, maybe by their junior senior year

1649
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 4: their studs, but maybe the sophomore year they help out

1650
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 4: junior year to play.

1651
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: But if you get to that point, they leave once

1652
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 1: you develop them, they're leaving though, So there's just no

1653
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 1: way to get it done. Ridiculous, Jack, why don't you

1654
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: give us a game lead up? Let's get in this

1655
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: lead up of this game? As Doug mentioned earlier, Oh,

1656
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: this was a day after Thanksgiving Dame Day game, that

1657
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: prime two point thirty spot. Brent Musburger on the call,

1658
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: this is vintage college for well, this is good stuff.

1659
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: Miami entered eight and three. As we said earlier, R

1660
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: number twelve BC seven and two tenth right Team BC

1661
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: had already accepted the Cotton Bowl invitation, so, as Doug

1662
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: said earlier, this was playing for pride. And don't forget

1663
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: they had to Holy Cross the next week too, so

1664
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 1: I can't look past the Crusaders, baby.

1665
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 3: And it was.

1666
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 6: Miami six point favorite in this one. We're talking betting line.

1667
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 6: Shout out Michael Jordan and Miami. Miami is coming off

1668
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 6: a crazy loss to Maryland the week before. Frank. They're

1669
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 6: up thirty one nothing at halftime. Frank Reraig, we know,

1670
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 6: Frank Craig storms back in beat them, so they're kind

1671
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 6: of reeling, probably pissed. I really wanted to get a

1672
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 6: dove out.

1673
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: There picture this, Okay, Miami yea top twelve team, right

1674
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: up thirty one to nothing, wind up losing to Maryland.

1675
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 2: Insane, insane play.

1676
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: Us lose on the hailmary at the end of the game,

1677
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: go to their bowl game and play Ohio State. Who

1678
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: kicks a fifty five yard Ohio State? I believe it

1679
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: was Ohio State fifty five yard field goal in the

1680
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: last play of the game to beat them their last

1681
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: three games. What Jimmy Johnson's like, I'm done, I quit.

1682
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 4: Oh my god, oh Jimmy just when he got better

1683
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 4: players deal early.

1684
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what a crazy way in the season.

1685
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 2: My God's nuts.

1686
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,959
Speaker 6: But getting into this game, it was a windy, misty,

1687
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 6: foggy day down at the old Orange Bowl. Started out,

1688
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 6: it was a track meet from the jump from the

1689
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 6: jump fourteen to nothing. BC gets up, then Miami storms back,

1690
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 6: ties it up fourteen fourteen. At what point were you

1691
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 6: just like, ah, shit, like, just give us the ball

1692
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 6: back every time?

1693
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: Well, it felt like it felt like a practice, like

1694
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: you were just completing passes.

1695
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, dropping back and thrown right.

1696
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: And in the third quarter we actually punted and we

1697
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: had to kick a field We punt it once and

1698
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: we kicked a field goal, and I thought that's where

1699
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,759
Speaker 1: we came over and uh, like I said, the difference

1700
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: was we had a pick at least one. Bill Romanowski

1701
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: picked him off over the middle and it was a

1702
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: stop and that got us back into that they score,

1703
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: we score thing, and we got back into that rhythm.

1704
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 2: But it's like I went over to coach pick.

1705
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: They had third and twenty one, they had a penalty

1706
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: with three and a half minutes ago, they had a penalty,

1707
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 1: and we're in their own five yard line. Ish and

1708
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: Bernie we almost sacked him for safety. He gets out,

1709
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: he dumbs it to the back, he gets twenty yards

1710
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: and then on fourth and short they get the first down.

1711
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: There's still a minute and a half. There's still two

1712
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: minutes on the clock. I go to coach b I

1713
01:17:58,520 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: go let him score.

1714
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 2: Just let them fucking score so we can get the

1715
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 2: ball back with enough time.

1716
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they milk the clock, walked it down and

1717
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:08,919
Speaker 1: scored with twenty eight seconds.

1718
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, right, twenty eight seconds. What are we

1719
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 2: gonna do with that?

1720
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 6: And then we get down to that play that we

1721
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 6: all know, down to the Miami forty eight.

1722
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 2: When we got the ball, my mentality was, we've got

1723
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 2: three or four plays here.

1724
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: Let's get the ball to midfield. Just make sure we

1725
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 1: get the midfield to take a couple of shots.

1726
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 2: We had two timeouts. College football clock stops.

1727
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: After a firstunds, right, So we get a first down

1728
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: on the first one on a seam route. We get

1729
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: a first down on the second one out of bounds,

1730
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, we're already crossing midfield.

1731
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: We still got two.

1732
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: Timeouts, so there's one play. Was it incompletion? I never

1733
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: used the timeouts. You know, we still had two in

1734
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: our pocket.

1735
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 3: Are you calling timeouts? You dropping them?

1736
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 2: I yeah, that's another thing we call them the on

1737
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 2: the field.

1738
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we were really good at two minutes and

1739
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 1: call it college is they waste more time? You know,

1740
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: look into the sideline getting the plane all that. I mean,

1741
01:18:58,280 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: I was just call my own play.

1742
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 2: So we get it.

1743
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: We line up in a hurry, I get to play called.

1744
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: I'm ready to snap the ball before the official and

1745
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: then on the whistle, boom, he snaps the ball.

1746
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 2: We didn't waste time.

1747
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 1: We may maybe lost a second and a half, you know,

1748
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,799
Speaker 1: but uh, we were We were good at not wasting

1749
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: time on our two minute and didn't have to use

1750
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 1: the timeouts.

1751
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 4: So you didn't have to use the timeouts. And it

1752
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 4: goes into the last play. Now, what's your mindset? Can

1753
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 4: you take us beat for beat with that?

1754
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 1: My mindset is I was hoping to get a little closer.

1755
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: Didn't happen in completion six seconds, Okay, it's time for

1756
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: hill Mary. I'm getting in the huddle to call to

1757
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: play and they're running a freshman on the field with

1758
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:39,480
Speaker 1: the play like I got a fifth like Sean Sean Debrowski.

1759
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: Freshman Dumbo was his nickname. They put they want him

1760
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: on the field because he can jump. It's not gonna be.

1761
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: It's like your freshman sit out.

1762
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 2: I'm waving him off the.

1763
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: Field because I want Troy Strafford. He was a fifth

1764
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: year senior. I wanted Troy on the field for the

1765
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: play and him be.

1766
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 3: One of the receivers.

1767
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 2: He was a running back, but I wanted him in

1768
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 2: the mix. Little that I know, Troy had a pull

1769
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 2: ham straight.

1770
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: He never gets down the field on the plane, So

1771
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: Troy starts to jog off the field. I'm yelling at

1772
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: Troy to get his ass back here, and dumbbo off

1773
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: the field. So the freshman does it. He's like, I'm

1774
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: listening to Doug and I'm off the field. Troy comes

1775
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: back to the huddle. The bench sends Sean bag. I'm like,

1776
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: no sit down.

1777
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 2: So we get the play called.

1778
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: We go to the line of scrimmage and there's an

1779
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: inverting whistle on a flag and there were the defenders.

1780
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 2: Were on Girard and on Troy.

1781
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: Leaving Calvin Martin, the outside receiver, to be the free

1782
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: runner to get down there first.

1783
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 2: And after the interverting whistle. We line up again.

1784
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: Now I tell the tight end go down the backside,

1785
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: and my philosophy is, buy as much time as possible.

1786
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 1: Make it a jump ball, but back then everybody drop back,

1787
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: throw it.

1788
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 2: The receivers are still trying.

1789
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 3: To get there. You got to you gotta buy time to.

1790
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 2: Get your time.

1791
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 1: Last second, the defender decides, you know what, this is

1792
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: the guy with speed. I'm gonna go jam him and

1793
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 1: walks off. Gerard goes to the outside defender, allowing Gerard

1794
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: to be the first guy down.

1795
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,520
Speaker 2: Now, Gerard, they did an I saw on the replay.

1796
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: He looks like he's running a five four or forty.

1797
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean we're in a wet He's just chugging down

1798
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: the field with his head down. And when I rolled right,

1799
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: they all the defenders sat flat and let your go

1800
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: right by him. He's deeper than the deepest and turning

1801
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: around and seeing the ball thrown. But then when I

1802
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: pulled up, it's kind of like a javelin on the

1803
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 1: move through it and got it there. I was gonna

1804
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: look backside, but a linebacker was running at me, so

1805
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to look backside. I get outside,

1806
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: I just let it launch to an area. I see

1807
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: the two defenders go up and everybody just fall to

1808
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: the ground, and there's a half second delay, and I

1809
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: see an official's arms. I'm like, you gotta be fucking

1810
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: I start laughing my ass off and start running towards

1811
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: the pile. And I never got down there. There's a

1812
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 1: great picture of Stee Tripillow with me in his arms.

1813
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 2: I guess I jumped down.

1814
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: There's a better picture that I love me and my

1815
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 1: brother's arms from the back of him with Flutio in

1816
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: his jersey, and be with my arm in air too.

1817
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 1: That was a cool pick man. But I and then

1818
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: I everything settled down, starting towards the locker room, I

1819
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: didn't know who caught it. I assumed Gerard caught it.

1820
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: I had no I say, I ran into our strong

1821
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: safety day Praira, I said, you know who caught the ball?

1822
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 3: Caught it?

1823
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 5: Da da da d Now how did was there a

1824
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 5: roommate chemistry?

1825
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 1: Oh, no, doubt, that's why you. Randy was talking about

1826
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 1: putting his locker next to Tom. Yeah, there's Gerard and I.

1827
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 3: Finished each other's sentences.

1828
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, four years together, roommates the whole time, all that

1829
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: kind of stuff and talking at lunch talking it and

1830
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 1: that's where you build the rapport and you understand what

1831
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 1: the other guy's thinking.

1832
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah you know that.

1833
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 1: And it's not like you intentionally are having lunch together

1834
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: to talk about football. You just talk about at dinner,

1835
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, talk about practice.

1836
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was that was cool. Role.

1837
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 2: I like, you know, we should do this, we should

1838
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: do that? What about this?

1839
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 3: Subconsciously? Yeah, when you know each other, I mean.

1840
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:05,440
Speaker 1: There's a trust that Bill you knew in those situations

1841
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: who to lean on. And Gerard was always that guy

1842
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: in college. Eric Molds was that guy for me in Buffalo.

1843
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: Tim Dawahite, who's a good friend, Tim was that guy

1844
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:16,919
Speaker 1: for me in San Diego.

1845
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's why I.

1846
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 2: Got a boy.

1847
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: He could run. He just got his hip replaced too.

1848
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: He's running again. Man, He's he's so fired up. He's

1849
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 1: all he's jacked. Like he's got a little bit of it.

1850
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: Looks like you might have a belly.

1851
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,759
Speaker 2: It's all abs. He's like he could be a boxer.

1852
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 3: He was lightning. Yep. Now, how does it feel to have.

1853
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 4: Probably the most iconic play in college football history?

1854
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: I I you know what I say, I say most

1855
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,719
Speaker 1: of us are forgotten. Even if you win the Heisman

1856
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: or whatever, people forget, never forgotten. At least I have

1857
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: a play people remember, and it comes up all the

1858
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: time and they all have their memory of, Oh, you know,

1859
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: we turned the TV off and went home, been found

1860
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: out on the news. Back when you didn't have your phone.

1861
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: You had to wait till eleven o'clock news to see the.

1862
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 2: Highlight, right.

1863
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, I so many stories about where they were,

1864
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: who NFL guys were. It was a Friday afternoon, and

1865
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: all the NFL guys that I ran into later said

1866
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: they were in the locker rooms after practice watching.

1867
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 2: The end of the game.

1868
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, so you get all the stories

1869
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: of where everybody was, what they did. I know where

1870
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: I was, and you've got a help a lot more.

1871
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 2: See, I didn't know. We didn't realize it was that

1872
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 2: big a deal. It was a big deal to us.

1873
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 2: You know, we just want a big game. You know,

1874
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 2: we land now.

1875
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: Boston, we talked about Boston is not a college sports town.

1876
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 3: It's it's pro sport. Baby.

1877
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 2: We landed Logan Airport and there's like ten thousand people

1878
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 2: and they had to Gerard and I. They pulled this side.

1879
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: We go into it like everybody's going to the team

1880
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 1: bus and they shoved us into a cruiser and get

1881
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: the hell out of there, and it was like Beatles stuff.

1882
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 2: It was like that was that didn't.

1883
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 5: Happen in Boston for college, not for college.

1884
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 4: But I mean when you guys go out and have

1885
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 4: probably the most impossible play. Literally we're still this is

1886
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 4: thirty five years after and we're still talking about this play.

1887
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 5: I mean, that's so cool. That's such an insane you know,

1888
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 5: you have all.

1889
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 1: Those moments in your head of big plays, plays that

1890
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: helped you win the Super Bowl to play that was

1891
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 1: a pivotal play, and we all know those plays for

1892
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,959
Speaker 1: ourselves game the game, but this is one that everybody

1893
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: saw and everybody remembered.

1894
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 2: So that's It's a pretty cool thing to happen.

1895
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 3: What's that mean to you? Though?

1896
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 5: That's gotta be one of your Is this your proudest moment?

1897
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 2: You know? I don't know.

1898
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 5: It was the Gray Cups.

1899
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 1: I always go to the we won our first my

1900
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 1: first championship, My first ring was a Gray Cup.

1901
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 2: I was playing in Calgary and we had to go

1902
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 2: eighty eight yards.

1903
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: With a minute on the clock, no timeouts into a

1904
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: thirty five mile an hour win, and we went the

1905
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: length of the field and I run it in for

1906
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 1: the score. That's my go to because that that was

1907
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 1: not a Great Cup game. That was the like AFC

1908
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: NFC championship game to get to the Great Cup. And

1909
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: then I won my first championship in the Gray Cup,

1910
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: so that to me was maybe the most important. But

1911
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: this is obviously the most talked about.

1912
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 3: Man, that's amazing still to this day. What's the aftermath?

1913
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 6: Jack Miami goes down in the Orange Bowl bc.

1914
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 5: U c LA not oh yeah, my bad, we get there.

1915
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 2: You c U c LA hit a fifty five yard

1916
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 2: field goal in the last play to beat him.

1917
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 6: Not a house state, Sorry about that. BC comes out

1918
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 6: victorious forty seven.

1919
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 1: One of my worst games ever was that Holy Cross game.

1920
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: The following week we won Vague. It was Holy Cross

1921
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 1: trap game, trap game. But yeah, my little brother.

1922
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 2: Had a hell of a day.

1923
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: He had a couple of touchdowns and catches and great run.

1924
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 1: But yeah, I played like crap.

1925
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 4: Playing you're the Heisman Trophy and you're throwing touchdowns at

1926
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 4: your bro.

1927
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 2: It was the last record season game.

1928
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 6: Cool.

1929
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 2: He was cool.

1930
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:59,719
Speaker 1: He was a freshman that went on rundowns and blocked

1931
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: and came out. And he had maybe twelve to fifteen

1932
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: catches that year, you know, a couple of catches here

1933
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: and there. And that Holy Cross game he had his

1934
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 1: first touchdown. It was a cover two and we had

1935
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: a deuce formation, two tight ends, two flankers. He was

1936
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: a flanker out to the right, and we had a

1937
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: run play called I saw cover two. I checked to

1938
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 1: three verticals and I went play. I don't even know

1939
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,759
Speaker 1: if it's play. Actually dropped back. I looked the safety

1940
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 1: in the middle. He was a walk into Darren down

1941
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: the rail. I didn't even realize he was in the game.

1942
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: Thank god, I would have overthrown him or something. If

1943
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: I did, I would have screwed it up. So I

1944
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: turned and that was pretty cool. But we get the

1945
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,839
Speaker 1: ball back, come back and he runs a little trap

1946
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: two guys in the whole, bounces all the spins, goes

1947
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: like twenty yards for a touchdown. And I was like,

1948
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: that was cool because he earned that one. I did

1949
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: kind of the work on the first one, yeah, but

1950
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 1: he really got he got that. It was really it

1951
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: was cool for him to be a part of that

1952
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: senior year for me. He left Boston College as the

1953
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: all time leading receiver, Wow, and then signed as a

1954
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 1: free agent, played three years in the NFL.

1955
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 2: Was a Hall of Famer in Canada.

1956
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 4: Didn't didn't you guys have there was a flutey that

1957
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 4: played on our team?

1958
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 3: Was it his son?

1959
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 5: Or was there?

1960
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 2: Wasn't there at BC?

1961
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 3: No, but for the Patriots for a second like came

1962
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 3: into our camp. Wasn't there a I doubt it?

1963
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: But Billy my nephews, my brother Bill's boys, Billy played

1964
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: at Boston College.

1965
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 2: My other nephew, Troy Darren's played college.

1966
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it was.

1967
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 6: He had.

1968
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 5: Did he have a big play or didn't one of

1969
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 5: the flutie. I just remember when I was playing here,

1970
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 5: there was a there was a young fluteie. Yeah, I

1971
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:36,799
Speaker 5: had a big player.

1972
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 2: Well, Billy.

1973
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 1: Billy had a play where they beat Virginia Tech on

1974
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:44,719
Speaker 1: a fake field goal when he threw a touchdown pass.

1975
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:49,520
Speaker 2: He had a big touchdown pass.

1976
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 3: That's what it was.

1977
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: And then Troy is a freshman, got a chance to

1978
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: play and start played well for a few weeks, and

1979
01:28:56,439 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 1: then that whole he he got intimidated a little bit

1980
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: by the situation and the coach and all that, and

1981
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:04,640
Speaker 1: didn't play well for a while and.

1982
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,600
Speaker 2: Never got our shot. But I had a couple of

1983
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 2: couple of nephews.

1984
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 4: Still a lot of flutes though everywhere, a lot of flutes.

1985
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 4: Keep it going, Jack, That's right.

1986
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 6: BC would go on to beat Houston in the Cotton Bowl,

1987
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 6: as we mentioned, finished ten in two, number four in

1988
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 6: the nation, and Doug Landing on the cover of Sports.

1989
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 3: Illustrated after this Sports Illustrated.

1990
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 6: Back when it was Sports Illustrated, it was pretty It

1991
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 6: wasn't even the coolest thing.

1992
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 3: You got flouoty flakes, right, What was the origin of

1993
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 3: the flu flakes? How did that come along?

1994
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 2: Well? I had left the CFO.

1995
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: I signed with Buffalo and during the off season training

1996
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: now mini camps or whatever, I signed a deal with

1997
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 1: PLB Sports to do some type of endorsement. We hadn't

1998
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 1: decided on what kind of food. They asked me a

1999
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: frozen food, and I'm like, frozen pizza. I'm a pizza guy.

2000
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: It's go frozen pizza. They come back to me with, well,

2001
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 1: the profit marg it's better on a breakfast cereal.

2002
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 2: Like, why did you ask me so?

2003
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Then they asked me a favorite. I was like frost

2004
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: flake sky. You know it's to a flake. Yeah, sure

2005
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: we do. It was supposed to come out during the

2006
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: beginning of the season training camp.

2007
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:07,799
Speaker 2: Well, everything got.

2008
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: Pushed back, delayed, it didn't happen, and the timing happened

2009
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 1: to work out perfectly with when I took over as

2010
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: a starter.

2011
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 2: It finally came out. It was like flute mania in Buffalo.

2012
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 2: It was nuts. I was scheduled.

2013
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: I had scheduled a autograph signing in Rochester at a

2014
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: home quarters like a home depot, right during the early

2015
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: on before I was playing a lot. Well, now it

2016
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: was the height I was playing the flute flakes were out.

2017
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be seven to nine that night

2018
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday. People were showing up the store at noon.

2019
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: They had to close. They had twenty five hundred people

2020
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,600
Speaker 1: in the store by two o'clock in the afternoon. I

2021
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: had to close the doors and not allowed. I went

2022
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: to sign. I got there an hour early. I signed

2023
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 1: from six o'clock to ten thirty. Oh my god, and

2024
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 1: did not get through half of the people.

2025
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 2: It was a zoo. It was just the whole thing

2026
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 2: just blew up and became a big deal. Was all

2027
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 2: about the comoundation.

2028
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 4: It was a big It was a big thing. I

2029
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 4: mean when you went and took the storm, I remember that.

2030
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,639
Speaker 4: I mean I liked you more than when you're a Charger.

2031
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 3: Let's name this.

2032
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 4: Let's name this game. We'll be right back after this

2033
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 4: quick break. So we had this is a segment where

2034
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 4: we name the game, we score the game. What do

2035
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 4: you think we should give the name of this game?

2036
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 4: The Hail Flutey, the Hail Mary game, the Miracle Miami,

2037
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 4: the Miami miracle, or something that comes to your mind.

2038
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: What should we think a miracle in Miami was the

2039
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 1: one that stuck and fits?

2040
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 2: That fits the Hail Mary game.

2041
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Could have been Aaron Rodgers any week of the season.

2042
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: Hail Flutey is a little presumptuous.

2043
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 3: But that's what the Internet likes to call it. That's

2044
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 3: the best Google.

2045
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,759
Speaker 2: Really, But that's cool.

2046
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,759
Speaker 5: This is his miracle in Miami, Miracle in Miami.

2047
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 3: It's been quite a lot of miracles in Miami too.

2048
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,560
Speaker 4: I know, we got smoked in the last play a

2049
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 4: game when we had Gronkin there for the Hail Mary

2050
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:04,719
Speaker 4: and then they.

2051
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 3: Didn't too soon.

2052
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 2: But let's score.

2053
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,799
Speaker 5: Let'score the score of the game. Is this the greatest

2054
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:10,719
Speaker 5: game of all time?

2055
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 4: Let's score it steaks one to ten decimals, Okay, on

2056
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 4: this game.

2057
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 3: The stakes of this game.

2058
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:21,759
Speaker 1: It's a high nines. Oh, the steaks and the steaks,

2059
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: the steaks. It meant nothing.

2060
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 2: It was bragging rights.

2061
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: It was situation because the week before Cotton Bowl, we

2062
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: took the Cotton Bowl bid because they wanted a New

2063
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Year's Day bid. They wanted a winner goes to the

2064
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 1: Sugar loser to the Fiesta, and the Fiesta was not

2065
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,680
Speaker 1: a New Year's Day Bowl at that time, and our

2066
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 1: administration didn't want to take a chance. They didn't have

2067
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: trust us, they didn't want to We could have played

2068
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 1: for a national championship. We went the Sugar Bowl, but

2069
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: we took We took the bird in hand. So the

2070
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: steaks were five.

2071
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:54,839
Speaker 6: How the bulls worked back then, jewels steaks.

2072
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 5: I mean, he's got a Heisman trophy going underdogs, there's

2073
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 5: a lot of I mean, this is still Miami versus BC,

2074
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 5: David Versukaliath. I'm gonna go with the seven.

2075
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 2: Okay.

2076
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 3: Jack did a seven point four. I did a seven

2077
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 3: point eight.

2078
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 4: It's an integrity score by Jegarty score. It's an integrity score,

2079
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 4: star power zero to ten.

2080
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 1: This was this was this was nine, primarily because of

2081
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 1: all their studs and that I was the front runner

2082
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: for the Heisman at the time.

2083
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 3: Vinnie testa Verdi was a backup courter.

2084
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 6: He was on the bench.

2085
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Vinnie Testaverdi, you have Bernie Cozart, you got Doug

2086
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 4: Flutie Heisman Trophy winner.

2087
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:30,560
Speaker 5: You got Tom Coughlin.

2088
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 1: I think at this point to Tom was gone, but

2089
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:34,759
Speaker 1: you got Jimmy Johnson.

2090
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 5: Jimmy Johnson. Yeah, I mean I'm gonna I'm probably I'm

2091
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 5: gonna go eight and a half.

2092
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 6: I like it.

2093
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 3: Game play five point nine. I did seven point.

2094
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,879
Speaker 6: Three, and I was a Russian joge there, sorry thin gameplay.

2095
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,640
Speaker 3: Come on, this is an this is great, unlet's your

2096
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 3: defensive coach.

2097
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 2: For me.

2098
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: It was one of my most polished games. There's like

2099
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: three throws I wish I had back in the third quarter.

2100
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 3: Uh, start out like nine. You can start out eleven.

2101
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 1: Of eleven, eleven eleven, and I can't do that in practice.

2102
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 1: I was not a high percentage guy. I was a

2103
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: reel d deal throwing up the field. That's make big plays.

2104
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: So my completion percentage, that's why I started running shovel

2105
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:23,560
Speaker 1: passes up in Canaday.

2106
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 6: That percentage throws game play.

2107
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 1: Both offenses were amazing. The defenses not that they played poorly,

2108
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 1: they just weren't. I gotta go like eight five somewhere, eight.

2109
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 5: Five high scoring for me, it was fun. The hail

2110
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 5: Marriott then, I mean, that's that's a nine nine. I mean,

2111
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 5: you guys, no one stopped anyone, and this is this

2112
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:43,919
Speaker 5: was basically what we all wanted in the future.

2113
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 7: Jack had a seven point eight, which I think we're

2114
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 7: gonna need to get some eyes check on.

2115
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 3: Jack Kyler had a nine point There.

2116
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 2: Were a couple of punts in the game.

2117
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 4: Name of the game, We gotta score the name miracle

2118
01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 4: in my cultural cultural talking about forty years later, I'm

2119
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 4: still talking about it.

2120
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: I always refer to it as the Miracle in Miami

2121
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: because I think that was the headline on Sports Illustrated.

2122
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 2: So I've always labeled it that. I'll go with the

2123
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:09,719
Speaker 2: Miracle in Miami.

2124
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 3: So what's the score of the Miracle in Miami. You

2125
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 3: gotta score the name.

2126
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 5: Oh score the day.

2127
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,679
Speaker 3: You gotta score the name. Doug seven five, seven five,

2128
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go eight four. Jack has a nine point one.

2129
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 3: I have a nine point seven. All right, where does

2130
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 3: it go?

2131
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 5: Seven?

2132
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 3: Nine six?

2133
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 5: What does that lead in the Jimmy's.

2134
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 1: Heartbreak would be a fun one or Bernie's heartbreaks heartbreaking?

2135
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 6: Biee.

2136
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 7: That's right above Game five of the two thousand and

2137
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 7: five NBA Finals Spurs versus Pistons, and right below Super

2138
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 7: Bowl fifty three Patriots. Rams, this one's way too low.

2139
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 7: This is going to be a game that needs to

2140
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 7: be rescored at some point.

2141
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 2: Then, got, what is this our top game?

2142
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 3: These are all the games?

2143
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 5: Is the game?

2144
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 3: And the game fits in a big shot?

2145
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 5: Rob twenty third for that two thousand and five the Rams?

2146
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 3: Who did we have Slater slate? Yeah, this is a

2147
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 3: way better game than that. This is crazy whatever. This

2148
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 3: should be a top five game.

2149
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 6: Amen, Amen, Doug.

2150
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 4: Did we miss anything about this game or this season

2151
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:11,479
Speaker 4: or Boston College?

2152
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 2: Probably not. We just raked it over the Colls.

2153
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 1: But we beat Alabama at the beginning of that year

2154
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: that kicked off the season. We were down thirty one

2155
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 1: to fourteen. Carry Good had just returned the opening kickoff

2156
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: the second half. He was a stud, went one hundred

2157
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 1: and whatever yards and we're down thirty one to fourteen

2158
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 1: at Alabama and we came back to win that and

2159
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 1: Tony Thurman had a couple of big interceptions.

2160
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 2: I think he had three interceptions in that game.

2161
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:42,600
Speaker 1: And that was the game that made the season possible.

2162
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 5: That's low key the game that helped you win the

2163
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 5: Heisman as well.

2164
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: That was like early in the year, high profile, nationally

2165
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 1: televised when things weren't nationally televised, and coming off my

2166
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 1: junior year, that put me into the front runner early.

2167
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 3: In the year.

2168
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 1: Man, you want to plug anything, just there found Doug

2169
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 1: flute Junior Foundation for Autism. We have an event coming

2170
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 1: up in August that is going to be my life's work.

2171
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 1: You know, I thought I played football a long time.

2172
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 1: I've already had the foundation for twenty five years and

2173
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: we are it's it's really cool to see the difference

2174
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 1: we're making and helping people and building facilities and building

2175
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:21,959
Speaker 1: opportunities for kids with autism.

2176
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 4: You know, that was the first time Doug and I

2177
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 4: ever got to meet. I was a huge childhood fan.

2178
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 4: I was so fanatic with Doug Flutie. I was a

2179
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 4: five ten, five nine quarterback. He was my like god,

2180
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 4: and I disappointed him never, never he gave me the invite.

2181
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 4: I think it was a basketball game. No, it was

2182
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 4: a hard rock cafe.

2183
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 2: Oh, the hard rock cafe thing.

2184
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did the hard rock cafe. I got to

2185
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 4: meet you there and it was for the Doug Flute

2186
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:52,920
Speaker 4: Junior Foundation. And it's impressive to see where you give

2187
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 4: your time, you know. We we all talk about how

2188
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 4: great he was on the field in college with the

2189
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 4: great the great cups as a professional in NFL. But

2190
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 4: to see your life work and where you put your

2191
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 4: heart and your time with with your Doug Fluotie Junior Foundation,

2192
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 4: I remember.

2193
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 1: To this day and very thankful that, you know, I

2194
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 1: put that early on in his career. He was there,

2195
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, supporting me and supporting us and being there.

2196
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 1: That was really cool. And I remember that, no doubt that.

2197
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 1: And I remember the basketball game we played somewhere out

2198
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 1: in Whister or whatever, and you came out for it.

2199
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 3: It was how terrible was the basketball game that I

2200
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 3: played in?

2201
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 2: That was a terrible that we had. We we we

2202
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 2: had like celebrities verse cops or something. Oh, it was

2203
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 2: like a Harlem Globetrotter's type team.

2204
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we want to be competitive and they want

2205
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 1: to do their tricks.

2206
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 2: So it's like, but it went well.

2207
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:45,679
Speaker 5: It went well, man, Doug.

2208
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 4: I just want to say thank you for taking the

2209
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 4: time come on my podcast. I mean, you're such a

2210
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 4: huge inspiration for me, for a lot of kids, but

2211
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 4: for me individually.

2212
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 5: Man, I love you to death, and thank you for

2213
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 5: coming on a game.

2214
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:00,080
Speaker 6: At my guy.

2215
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 5: Well, that was awesome to have mister Boston in Boston.

2216
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 6: That's pretty so cool man. That's like an episode when

2217
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:11,160
Speaker 6: you're pitching Games with Names. That's a Games with Names episode.

2218
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:12,799
Speaker 6: That is a game that hail Mary.

2219
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:15,839
Speaker 4: I mean old Flutes just rolling around in a kayak

2220
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 4: during a flood.

2221
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 6: Looking like Sean penned down a hurricane Katrina down there

2222
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 6: saving lives, paddling through the water, getting to work out

2223
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:30,599
Speaker 6: in Natick High school sweatshirt on everywhere. Bro.

2224
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 4: I mean he's still he's still has that competitive edge,

2225
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:36,679
Speaker 4: that competitive fire.

2226
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 6: I almost fell out of my chair when he's talking

2227
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 6: about dropping thirty on a carnival cruise ship playing pick

2228
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 6: up with nineteen year olds, like backing them down, crafty

2229
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 6: old veteran basketball move was incredible. Flutes, he played with Jordan,

2230
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 6: He played with pickup Jordan. Where did that one needs

2231
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 6: some I mean more on Earth and oh.

2232
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 5: My god, we need to do games with names on that.

2233
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:01,719
Speaker 6: We need that. I need some footage, I need security, cameras, picks,

2234
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 6: whatever I can get. That's incredible.

2235
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 3: We got to get him back on him. We gotta

2236
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 3: do like a great cup for our Canadian we do.

2237
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 6: I'm down, bro, I mean CFLs love to.

2238
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 5: He was legit one of my heroes.

2239
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 6: I don't blame you man.

2240
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 5: You know, and he exceeds. They always say you'd ever

2241
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 5: want to meet your hero.

2242
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 4: Nah, you could meet your hero and it's flutes because

2243
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 4: he's just a great dude, heart over height all day.

2244
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 4: Baby rolls up. What was on his uh? What was

2245
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 4: on his his request? Starburst, Star Wars hours, drink, Coca.

2246
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 5: And a coke and he still looks great.

2247
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 6: He was telling he said, a handful of Starbucks at Starbursts,

2248
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 6: get him right, He's the best. No advil, no nothing,

2249
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 6: just a handful of Starburards.

2250
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 3: He goes fu.

2251
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 5: My energy was down. I just need a Starburst.

2252
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 3: What's funny.

2253
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 7: We were at a bar the other day and like

2254
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 7: the new gen X commercial came up, Like I know

2255
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 7: that guy.

2256
01:40:57,040 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta get Frank Thomas Long, secret ingredient E Jennics,

2257
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,639
Speaker 3: Star Wars, Star Wars, ground Up.

2258
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,640
Speaker 4: Star Wars, and a capsule in honor of Doug Flutie's

2259
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 4: legendary Hail Mary. We're gonna rank some of the best

2260
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 4: Hail Marys of all time. We'll come to a consensus

2261
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 4: of our top five. What are they?

2262
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 6: This is tough. Let's get into him here when you

2263
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 6: read the real quick let's read through them, all right. So, first,

2264
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:28,839
Speaker 6: of course, the BC Doug Flutie to his roommate Gerard Falen, first, Miami,

2265
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:29,720
Speaker 6: we talked about that one.

2266
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 5: Gotta put that in the list. He always kept him

2267
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 5: the first name.

2268
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 7: Basis to spiag Wham, guy, do you buy We gotta

2269
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:37,640
Speaker 7: look at the tape again, but do you buy that?

2270
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 3: The guy was open?

2271
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:42,759
Speaker 5: He texts me, I forgot. He texts me a picture

2272
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:43,320
Speaker 5: of it.

2273
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 3: Okay, well we'll put that on.

2274
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 6: We'll put that on the show because I yeah, I

2275
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 6: had never heard that one beforecause.

2276
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 3: I feel like a guy like that, he always.

2277
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 7: Has to talk about that play. He's got to come

2278
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 7: up with some little like wrinkle or fun little insight thing.

2279
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 5: He text me a picture.

2280
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,719
Speaker 4: It's a picture of the film and it's zoomed into

2281
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 4: the guy.

2282
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 6: Is the play as memorable if he just hits that

2283
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 6: wide open game and he walks in?

2284
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 2: No?

2285
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 4: No, yeah, but maybe bands on the field, all rightfield.

2286
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 6: We got Russell Wilson the Golden Tate versus Green Bay.

2287
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 6: That was back on September twenty fourth of twenty twelve.

2288
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 6: Soone was a little bit more infamous than famous. That's

2289
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 6: the fail, Mary, right, I believe?

2290
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 3: So? Yes, why is the fail? Mary?

2291
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 7: Let's throw it up real quick, because it shouldn't have

2292
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 7: been It should not have been a catch.

2293
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 3: But what do you mean? Why not?

2294
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 5: I remember this, but I don't remember this?

2295
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 3: This was fake ress?

2296
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember this.

2297
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 5: Okay, this is the right one. Oh this was refs

2298
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:37,760
Speaker 5: on strike year.

2299
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 6: Yep, all right, So we got that one on the list.

2300
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 4: No crazy which, by the way, against the Packers, And

2301
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 4: didn't the Packers have one?

2302
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 6: Then we also have we've included Green Bay Aaron Rodgers

2303
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:53,520
Speaker 6: to Jeff Janis against the Cardinals January sixteenth, twenty sixteen.

2304
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 6: Isn't an NFC Divisional Round game? That is, which is wild.

2305
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 7: That's still the game they lost when Larry Fitzgerald had

2306
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 7: that crazy play at the end correct.

2307
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:04,600
Speaker 6: Yes, this was to tie it.

2308
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the no T Larry Fitzgerald had that

2309
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 3: crazy play. Yeah, that's a crazy that's a great, that's

2310
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 3: a great game. We should do that game at some time.

2311
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 6: I'm down. Get larry On, Get larry On. Then we're

2312
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 6: staying in Arizona. Kyler Murray to DeAndre Hopkins versus Buffalo

2313
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 6: November fifteenth, twenty twenty, also known as the Hail Murray

2314
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 6: Crazy one.

2315
01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 5: That was a great I remember that one rolls out.

2316
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 6: Let's that thing fly. Move into the college.

2317
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 3: Game before we move on from Kyler Murray.

2318
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 7: As a Kyler myself, I've never met any other Kylers

2319
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 7: in the world, and so I've always like, whenever I

2320
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 7: meet a Kyler, it'll be like a moment. And the

2321
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,599
Speaker 7: first Kyler I met was Kyler Murray. And I can't

2322
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 7: stress enough how little he cared.

2323
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 6: You hate to see it.

2324
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:49,559
Speaker 3: I hate to see it.

2325
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 6: You hate to see it, man, Kyler. Then we're moving

2326
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 6: to the college game. This is the nineteen eighty Holiday Bowl.

2327
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 6: B Yu Simu b Yu came back from forty five

2328
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:06,639
Speaker 6: twenty five down with three minutes and fifty seven seconds

2329
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 6: left in the game. This is a crazy one, the

2330
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 6: Holiday bull come back. Maybe for all you Mormon fans

2331
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:14,599
Speaker 6: out there, we do this game at some point. Yeah,

2332
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 6: where should I say LDS members, LDS members, Steve.

2333
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 5: Young, it's an LDS member.

2334
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:20,639
Speaker 3: Laturday Saturday Saints.

2335
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,759
Speaker 5: We got a lot of Latter Day Saints. Uh people

2336
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 5: in my life?

2337
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 6: Do you really?

2338
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2339
01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:28,640
Speaker 5: Agent oh tight, Carter Chow shout out, shut it out.

2340
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 5: I didn't know that, Alex Guerrero really I did not know. Yeah,

2341
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:34,439
Speaker 5: this was Jim McMahon, by the way, Jim McMahon. Jim

2342
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 5: McMahon another when they were there.

2343
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:37,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2344
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:38,839
Speaker 5: Wow, qbu.

2345
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 6: Then we're back to Aaron rodgers Man, mister Hail Mary himself,

2346
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 6: the miracle in Motown versus Allons. This was on an

2347
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 6: untimed down, another crazy one. And then back to the

2348
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 6: college game. We have LSU versus Kentucky. Marcus Randall to

2349
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:57,560
Speaker 6: Devrey Henderson the Bluegrass Miracle. This game has been requested

2350
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:01,439
Speaker 6: seventy four yard are as time expired year. This was

2351
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 6: two thousand and two.

2352
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 7: I believe Nick Saban l s J You're the quarterback

2353
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 7: was for Kentucky.

2354
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 3: Jared Lorenza, the.

2355
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 6: Big guy Billsbury throwboy Baby.

2356
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:13,920
Speaker 5: He played for the Giants for a while.

2357
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved him. He was so large in the

2358
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 3: early two thousands.

2359
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 5: How much did he weighed? Like to seventy?

2360
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 7: And then he got when he was in the Arena League,

2361
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:25,639
Speaker 7: he got, he got got why he just did?

2362
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 6: He just got He played it like two eighty five.

2363
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 3: Day if Doug Doug flitting to you was like Jared

2364
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:33,720
Speaker 3: Lorenzen to me he.

2365
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:35,559
Speaker 6: Was six four though I thought he was shorter.

2366
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:36,439
Speaker 5: No, he's a big guy.

2367
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was thinking he was like six to one. Yeah,

2368
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 6: canon cannon for an arm? Do we want to I

2369
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 6: don't want to do? Is I want to watch a

2370
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 6: couple of these? Do we wanna just legend we got this?

2371
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:46,680
Speaker 6: We got this?

2372
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:47,000
Speaker 3: All right?

2373
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:49,559
Speaker 6: What are we thinking? We we already saw the fake one?

2374
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:51,599
Speaker 6: Is that making the top five?

2375
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 3: The infamous?

2376
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 6: Yeah? No, no it shouldn't done. Noakes, fake fake fake news,

2377
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 6: fake news. I think you got So what's five?

2378
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:02,639
Speaker 2: First?

2379
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 3: We got five?

2380
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 6: We'll go five. We'll start at five.

2381
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 3: What do you thinking, Jackie?

2382
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:10,800
Speaker 6: I think Rogers has got to be in here at

2383
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 6: some point. I think I kind of feel like putting

2384
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 6: one of the Rogers ones down here.

2385
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 5: For being a guy that probably is removed as ever

2386
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 5: from like religion and like he's like a probably a

2387
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 5: science guy.

2388
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 4: Right, this guy has the most hail marys, you know

2389
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 4: what I mean. It's crazy, so he's gotta be fun.

2390
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:30,719
Speaker 3: It's the mother guy.

2391
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, what the the ayahuasca long? I don't know which

2392
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 6: is cool, which is cool whatever?

2393
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 7: So which So they lost this Green Bay game, right, Yeah,

2394
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 7: they end up losing that one, so.

2395
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,800
Speaker 5: That they won the one against the.

2396
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 6: Motown.

2397
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2398
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 4: I feel bad because we're such a pro lions.

2399
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:52,719
Speaker 2: Now.

2400
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:56,679
Speaker 6: We like mc DC, we like Calvin, we we like Matthew.

2401
01:46:57,160 --> 01:46:58,719
Speaker 5: We also just like the motor City.

2402
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:02,560
Speaker 6: We do baby like the right pizzas. Hate the turf though.

2403
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:04,440
Speaker 5: Hate turf is hated.

2404
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:06,719
Speaker 6: Hat like the Ford Museum.

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01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 4: The largest music I think it's the large or is

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01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 4: it the Ford Museum there's I think the Fords own it,

2407
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:14,799
Speaker 4: but it's like the largest museum per capita in the world.

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01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:18,120
Speaker 4: Like it's amazing. All right, So that one's in.

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01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 6: We'll put that in number five.

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01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 3: I feel like we got the Kyler Murray one is

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01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 3: a regular season It.

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01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 6: Is a regular season yame. But it was very impressive. DeAndre, Like,

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01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 6: rarely do you see a hail mary where the guy

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01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:34,000
Speaker 6: pretty much goes up and eye points it, which very true.

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01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 4: DeAndre did DeAndre Hopkins. I mean after this, every like

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01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 4: it just shot out. He had the best hands in

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01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:40,920
Speaker 4: the league.

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01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:43,679
Speaker 6: Also, hail it is.

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01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 5: Hail Murray. We'll go through four three.

2420
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 3: So what do we got left.

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01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 7: We've got BC, We've got the by U and the

2422
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:55,040
Speaker 7: Holiday Ball, and we got the Bluegrass Miracle.

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01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 6: I like, I'm part I love a good I'm a

2424
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 6: sucker for some SEC ball. Man. I kind of want

2425
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,639
Speaker 6: to put that at three. I can't think it could

2426
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:07,760
Speaker 6: be two, maybe even two. Honestly, that wasn't That wasn't

2427
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:09,600
Speaker 6: the year l SU won the title? Was it with

2428
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 6: Nick saban Uh?

2429
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 4: I think we got to go with b y U

2430
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 4: s m U for three because they're both Christian schools.

2431
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 5: And this is a Christian play.

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01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 3: Kind of I love that.

2433
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,679
Speaker 6: I like that, get your rosary beads out.

2434
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 4: I don't think neither of those christianities use rosary beads.

2435
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 5: Catholic, but I don't think SMB like Protestant or Son.

2436
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 6: I don't know, big time. No, you're right.

2437
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:40,920
Speaker 3: The Holiday Bullet three.

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01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 7: Holiday Bullet three now between the Bluegrass Miracle and the

2439
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 7: hail Flutie one or two or he calls it the

2440
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 7: miracle in Miami.

2441
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:50,000
Speaker 6: I think you gotta put that number one. Flutie's got

2442
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 6: to be one flies one for sure. One. We're giving

2443
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 6: it to our Can we go with with give l

2444
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:55,800
Speaker 6: s u Number two?

2445
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 5: I think we may have to redo it.

2446
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, we got a There are a lot more in

2447
01:48:59,160 --> 01:48:59,639
Speaker 6: it because.

2448
01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:01,960
Speaker 4: Aaron's got two Hail Mary's, so he's got to be

2449
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 4: probably number two.

2450
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:05,559
Speaker 3: I don't know if it showed up in here, but

2451
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:07,439
Speaker 3: didn't he have a game where he had two Hail

2452
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 3: Mary's in the same game.

2453
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers has like the craziest like he has crazy

2454
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 4: things about his career and like what his strengths are,

2455
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 4: Like he's the best at using his cadence. We used

2456
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:21,360
Speaker 4: to have a Green Bay cadence named after Aaron Rodgers

2457
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 4: where the guy jumps off side, we snap it so

2458
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 4: you get the free play.

2459
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:26,439
Speaker 3: How many times does he get that a lot?

2460
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, he practices his cadence games, probably some of the

2461
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 4: best of all time. Great cadence game, Double Him Mary.

2462
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was in the same drive against Arizona Cardinals.

2463
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:38,160
Speaker 3: This is that Arizona Cardinals game. But they lost.

2464
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is crazy. Yeah, that is pretty impressive.

2465
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 7: Our top five Hail Fluty, the Bluegrass Miracle, the Holiday

2466
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 7: Ball by U s m U, Hail Murray, and then

2467
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 7: the Miracle and Mode time. Please audience, tell us why

2468
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:52,000
Speaker 7: we're wrong Jewels.

2469
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 6: Can we do a quick I don't know that we

2470
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 6: did it enough with jewels, But can you tell us

2471
01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 6: by the book what you're supposed to be doing on

2472
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 6: a Hail Mary? Well, I don't know, No, I do

2473
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 6: know suchingwise, I know it's a free for all.

2474
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 4: At some point you're trying to do for a last

2475
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:12,360
Speaker 4: play of the game situation. You're trying to get as

2476
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 4: many guys as you can in the end zone, and

2477
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:18,519
Speaker 4: you create like a box or a triangle where there's

2478
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:20,640
Speaker 4: someone in the middle who is trying to get up

2479
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:23,599
Speaker 4: and high point the ball, like the example of DeAndre.

2480
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 5: Then you have either one or two guys.

2481
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 4: You have two guys in front of him, then you

2482
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 4: have a guy behind him that are trying to play

2483
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:33,880
Speaker 4: the tips. Okay, you know sometimes it's a box where

2484
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 4: you have but it's hard getting all the guys down there.

2485
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 5: But that's what you're trying to do.

2486
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 4: You're trying to get a box or a triangle with

2487
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 4: a guy in the middle, so you can just try

2488
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 4: to play the best possible situation out for deflex, the

2489
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:49,559
Speaker 4: guy who's in the middle is trying to high point.

2490
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:52,560
Speaker 4: If it doesn't, the other guys are trying to play ricochets.

2491
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:54,760
Speaker 6: That makes sense. Is ain't Madden where you just click

2492
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 6: four verticals and scam the fields.

2493
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:01,160
Speaker 4: There's also like the counter hail Mary, which Doug was

2494
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 4: kind of saying, Oh, we had the guy the tight

2495
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:05,519
Speaker 4: end on the back side, where you know those three

2496
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,160
Speaker 4: guys will be going up in one side and I

2497
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 4: know this podcast is a terrible podcasting, but you know

2498
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 4: you got three guys going here, and then the last second,

2499
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:15,559
Speaker 4: one of the guys goes to the back end to

2500
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 4: try to create a one on one because they're all

2501
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 4: they all know you're playing the box.

2502
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:21,640
Speaker 5: So if you can get one guy like we'd have.

2503
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 4: A Gronk play or Gronk would go over there, so

2504
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 4: you can get a matchup potentially one on one. Two

2505
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 4: on one is better than having like five guys on

2506
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 4: three over here.

2507
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 5: So there's that as well.

2508
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:37,840
Speaker 4: But hail Mary, by definition is everyone getting the end zone.

2509
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 4: Let's try to Let's try to play it.

2510
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:42,840
Speaker 7: What was fun about this Bluegrass Miracle one is that

2511
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 7: they were like fifteen yards short, yeah, and it got.

2512
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 3: Tip tipped up.

2513
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:48,679
Speaker 3: They were like snuck through and like split the defenders.

2515
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 5: And that was a real hair man. That's a great

2516
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:52,040
Speaker 5: one with That's number two.

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01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 3: That's number two.

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01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:55,080
Speaker 5: I mean, rightfully, So, did.

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01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:56,719
Speaker 6: You ever attempt to hail Mary at Kent State?

2520
01:51:57,600 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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01:51:58,280 --> 01:51:59,960
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, I know, I know the King State,

2522
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 6: and I don't remember any.

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01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:02,480
Speaker 3: I never did.

2524
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:05,240
Speaker 4: There's a couple at the end of games. I think

2525
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:08,720
Speaker 4: I've been involved in an end of game one. Actually no,

2526
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 4: because you know, I feel you. I just feel like

2527
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:15,560
Speaker 4: I have because we've practiced the situation a million times

2528
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,960
Speaker 4: raditional football ready for it, so the next time it happens,

2529
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:19,800
Speaker 4: it's deja vu.

2530
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:21,040
Speaker 3: Well what a game.

2531
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:23,920
Speaker 5: Thanks again to Doug. That's been another episode of Games

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01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:24,360
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