WEBVTT - Deeply Rooted

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tamika D.

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<v Speaker 2>Mallory and the ship Boy my Son in general.

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<v Speaker 1>We are your host of t M.

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<v Speaker 2>I Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and Inspiration,

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<v Speaker 2>New Energy.

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<v Speaker 3>What's up, my Son Lennon, Greetings, Tamika D. Mallory. How

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<v Speaker 3>are you feeling today?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Until freedom down today a little until.

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<v Speaker 1>On time, summertime.

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<v Speaker 3>I love. It's way too hot outside.

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<v Speaker 1>You say that every week every week.

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<v Speaker 2>I went outside and I've seen the devil licking somebody's

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<v Speaker 2>face out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's better than it was last week. A little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's better.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the heat is still on hell man.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's just a reality. I think. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear.

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<v Speaker 4>Certain groups of peace people trying to deny that climate

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<v Speaker 4>change is real, I mean, it's actually playing out before

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<v Speaker 4>our eyes like we see it, so I can tell

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<v Speaker 4>me that's not real.

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<v Speaker 1>AnyWho.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm really about to like change my profession.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm telling you because I would like to focus on

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<v Speaker 4>quality control.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I want to focus on. That's the thing

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<v Speaker 1>I want to focus on.

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<v Speaker 4>I realized that I that in my third life because

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<v Speaker 4>I have one that is an organizer for social justice.

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<v Speaker 4>I have another one that is an event planner, and

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<v Speaker 4>then I have a third one that should be in

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<v Speaker 4>customer service and quality control. I had an experience during

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<v Speaker 4>my family reunion where you know, I checked into an

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<v Speaker 4>Airbnb and when I got there, beautiful space in a

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<v Speaker 4>town that does not have much my family's town in Moreauville, Alabama.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's there's a there's two different sides to

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<v Speaker 4>it with like like with many areas that's heavily populated

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<v Speaker 4>with black boats. You got downtown some kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>some would say uptown, you know, and there's some white money,

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<v Speaker 4>and there of course are black affluent people there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is a very very very country town, small town.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you think of and there were there

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<v Speaker 1>used to be businesses that were like amazing, right, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, factories and lots of businesses, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>that was purchased by big business and then they shut

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<v Speaker 1>production down and so for years and year in years,

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<v Speaker 1>those jobs have not returned. So there is the tale

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<v Speaker 1>of two cities. Again.

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<v Speaker 4>There are people who are retired, people who moved there

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<v Speaker 4>for various reasons to teach college to you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>it's just they found a good town that they like

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<v Speaker 4>to spend the rest of their lives. You have that,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you have people who are absolutely struggling and

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<v Speaker 4>really suffering with a lot of desperation. So when you

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<v Speaker 4>see beautiful airbnbs popping up because people are starting to

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<v Speaker 4>invest in this area again, it's really cool. Shout out

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<v Speaker 4>to my cousin OLA's Garden, Kim Abney, who has opened

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<v Speaker 4>up a number of rentals and airbnb properties and they

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<v Speaker 4>are phenomenal beautiful. You walk in the details is just

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<v Speaker 4>like his mama, my auntie Ola May Abney taught him

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<v Speaker 4>this other airbnb very nice, walked in, loved beautiful. But

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<v Speaker 4>as soon as my and my brother Milton is with me,

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<v Speaker 4>so it's not just me because I know y'all gonna say, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>she always got something. Soon as we walk into the bedroom,

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<v Speaker 4>he's helping me put my suitcases up. You clearly see

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<v Speaker 4>a stain on the bed. Then he pulls the cover

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<v Speaker 4>back and there's another stain. Now, these two stains are

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<v Speaker 4>more than likely clean. They're more than likely clean, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And in fact, I'm just gonna make this my thought

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<v Speaker 4>of the day today because it's so it's just these

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<v Speaker 4>two stains are there. More than likely it's clean and

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<v Speaker 4>it's wear and tear. It looks like an old oil

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<v Speaker 4>stain or something. But the bed looks clean. It's just

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<v Speaker 4>it has these two stains on it. So immediately I

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<v Speaker 4>reach out to the management and say there's stains in

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<v Speaker 4>the bed, and their response and by the way, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't hear anything back.

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<v Speaker 1>Is going on three hours before.

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<v Speaker 4>I had to send an email going through all of

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<v Speaker 4>it to get the attention of the individual. And eventually

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<v Speaker 4>she calls me back and she's like, yeah, well, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's definitely clean. I understand what you're saying, and I

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<v Speaker 4>believe that it's clean. But I should not have to

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<v Speaker 4>sleep in a bed that has stains on it, regardless

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<v Speaker 4>of whether it is clean or not. Whether it's clean

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<v Speaker 4>or not is not the point here. The point is

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<v Speaker 4>there should not be stains in the bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me just say from the onset that it was corrected.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was corrected after having to go back and

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<v Speaker 4>forth with this woman several times, and then eventually she

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<v Speaker 4>said to me, oh, and she said, well, this one

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<v Speaker 4>is busy, which is the lady who is the cleaning person?

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<v Speaker 1>She herself, This woman was with her.

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<v Speaker 4>Family, and she's telling me all of these things and

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<v Speaker 4>continuing to say and then texting me that I know

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<v Speaker 4>for a fact.

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<v Speaker 1>Those sheets were washed, that bed was clean, those it's clean.

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<v Speaker 1>Still not did it.

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<v Speaker 3>She didn't get what was going on.

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<v Speaker 4>She did not understand that when you check into a hotel,

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<v Speaker 4>you check into a rental property, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>see any type of stain.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, that is called wear and tears.

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<v Speaker 1>So what you do when it.

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<v Speaker 4>Has a stain on it, it's time to throw it

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<v Speaker 4>out and get new ones. This happens all the time

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<v Speaker 4>when you are running. Well, no one else has ever complained. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 4>my brother he's like you, he ain't trying to have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, Milton, it is not that serious. It's fine. When

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<v Speaker 1>he looked at it, he was like, nah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a stain.

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<v Speaker 4>Like and you know, I'm the one and all of

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<v Speaker 4>the guys around me would be like, oh boy, here

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<v Speaker 4>she go to glass the four, this, that, that and the third.

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<v Speaker 4>But even he was like, no, no, that's a stain.

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<v Speaker 4>It's two stains, and it's one under the comforter. In

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<v Speaker 4>my thought of the day today is that, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>as a black woman, you know I want to I

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<v Speaker 4>should be able to say and defend my position as

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<v Speaker 4>black women, and I would imagine black people we are

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<v Speaker 4>constantly shrinking ourselves so that we don't upset, annoy, agitate others,

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<v Speaker 4>or bring further harm to ourselves. So all of the

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<v Speaker 4>hotels in this particular area, it's places that I personally

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<v Speaker 4>would do.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like to stay. This is my mother's hometown.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it there, love it there, grew up there,

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<v Speaker 4>can't wait to go back. But I don't like staying

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<v Speaker 4>in the hotels. So the idea that there are Airbnb

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<v Speaker 4>properties that are very nice popping up is really really good.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't want to put myself in a situation

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<v Speaker 4>where I have a bad rating or you know that,

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<v Speaker 4>where these people can write whatever they want. I've already

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<v Speaker 4>been down the road with Airbnb where somebody blatantly lied.

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<v Speaker 4>The management company blatantly lied. Airbnb knew it from reading

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<v Speaker 4>all of the messages back and forth between us, but

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<v Speaker 4>still told me that they cannot delete the comments on

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<v Speaker 4>the review that was left for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it still is up to the will of.

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<v Speaker 4>The property manager, even though they read screenshots and saw

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<v Speaker 4>that it was a lie and it's very basic. They

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<v Speaker 4>tried to say that I had an additional person in

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<v Speaker 4>the house above the people that were supposed to be there,

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<v Speaker 4>but then it was proven that that was the driver

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<v Speaker 4>who dropped off our bags and was only in the

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<v Speaker 4>house for maybe fifteen minutes, and it was proven in

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<v Speaker 4>the messages, but they still left on my comment thing,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, my review and Airbnb that I had an

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<v Speaker 4>additional person in the house and so I violated the

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<v Speaker 4>rules right and Airbnb could not and would not do

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<v Speaker 4>anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So therefore, here I.

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<v Speaker 4>Am dealing with this sheet situation. And instead of me

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<v Speaker 4>doing what I know how to do, which is to

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<v Speaker 4>write and be very clear about why this is problematic

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<v Speaker 4>and to make my point and also to demand of

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<v Speaker 4>this woman to stop telling me like I'm a child,

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<v Speaker 4>over and over again that the sheets are clean, I

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<v Speaker 4>am unable to do that because I need to try

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<v Speaker 4>to protect my name, my brand, myself physically. Who knows

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<v Speaker 4>like this is a white woman in a country town somewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what the hell she might do. I

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<v Speaker 4>have no idea I know her husband is, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know how children are. So I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 4>into a back and forth with this woman. So ultimately,

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<v Speaker 4>if you read my messages, I'm saying I'm my apologies,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, I'm the freaking customer, and I'm apologizing to

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<v Speaker 4>the lady and trying to be as nice as possible

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<v Speaker 4>to try to de escalate or whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 4>call it, diffuse any possibility that this situation was somehow

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<v Speaker 4>backfire on me. And I just feel like that is

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<v Speaker 4>the most uncomfortable for the rest of my trip. It

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<v Speaker 4>was in the back of my mind that this woman

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<v Speaker 4>had been extremely rude to me. I mean, it goes

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<v Speaker 4>on and on, and we don't have the time to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about it today, but it was nothing that I

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<v Speaker 4>could really do because I wanted to be in a

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<v Speaker 4>comfortable place where I could stay for my family reunion

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<v Speaker 4>and also not interrupt other people for feeling like they

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<v Speaker 4>needed to protect me. So, you know, that's a that's

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<v Speaker 4>a it's a very uncomfortable place that we as black

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<v Speaker 4>people are constantly trying to shrink ourselves so that we

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<v Speaker 4>don't upset other people even when they're doing us wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's really a real thing. I go through it

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<v Speaker 2>all the time, you know. I try not to be

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<v Speaker 2>as aggressive when I'm communicating with certain people, understanding that

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<v Speaker 2>I speak with the level of passion that I've been

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<v Speaker 2>told is aggressive and scared people. You know, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times, in certain situations where I don't even think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong, I apologize because, like you said, you fear

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<v Speaker 2>the backlash of what can come out the situation. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we constantly have to do that, you know, and knowing

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<v Speaker 2>how picky you are, and it's nothing wrong with being

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<v Speaker 2>picky when you're paying your money for something. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, and that's customer service. Like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I play with you a lot and go,

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<v Speaker 2>oh gods, it's gonna go. But the reality situation is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like you're wrong. You don't want dirty civil

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<v Speaker 2>where you don't want dirty cheeks, you don't want dirty things.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to overlook that as a state on you,

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't really have to, because when you provide

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<v Speaker 2>a service, especially with people have to lay and their

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<v Speaker 2>heads and live living for us, it should be immaculate.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, it should be an immaculate space to.

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<v Speaker 2>Where the sheets where people have to lay their body

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<v Speaker 2>or they don't know if this is a fucking comstain

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever stain that comes from somebody else, like nobody

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<v Speaker 2>should have to guess what kind of stain is on

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<v Speaker 2>the sheet in the blanket, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And you and if you don't see that you're willing

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<v Speaker 2>to move past it, then you you shouldn't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you bring it to someone who is providing

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<v Speaker 2>the services to you, when you bring it to their attention,

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<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't be any pushback. It should just be like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my, I apologize, you know, even though they're clean,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand, I apologize.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna make sure I get you guys some fresh sheets.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's it. It really shouldn't be much more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's just not where we are, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately we live in a time where, you know, especially

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<v Speaker 2>as black people that we like you said, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to try not to say as much and try to

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<v Speaker 2>cause it's less problems because we always gonna be seen.

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<v Speaker 3>And unless unless it's a videotape or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like you said, you you had the whole screenshots

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<v Speaker 2>of text messages would showed that somebody lying on you

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<v Speaker 2>and you still had to deal with the backladgh. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like a lot of times you want it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's even worth it. You know, you got to weigh

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<v Speaker 2>your options. Do I even standing up for myself or

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<v Speaker 2>do I be quiet? Because I know standing up for

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<v Speaker 2>myself can give me ostracized and you know, in ridiculed.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a lot man.

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<v Speaker 4>And meanwhile, this white woman got to walk away from

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<v Speaker 4>the situation. And by the way, the way Airbnb works

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<v Speaker 4>for people who don't know, you make a review first

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<v Speaker 4>and then she makes a review after, so they and.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't get to see it until after they make

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<v Speaker 1>their review.

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<v Speaker 4>But nonetheless, you make a review first and then they

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<v Speaker 4>make a review.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, I and you know, I'm just, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just like.

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<v Speaker 4>Systems and customer service and quality control needs a new focus.

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<v Speaker 4>It really does, because people are spending their money services

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<v Speaker 4>that they don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>Products are coming.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen the way in which people the clothes are being made.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything is just being thrown together and people are basically

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<v Speaker 4>being forced to to I don't know what you call it.

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<v Speaker 4>I got some moose from my hair and the top

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<v Speaker 4>of the moose bottle was cracked open, and they were

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<v Speaker 4>trying to tell me, oh, there's no way.

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<v Speaker 1>To exchange it.

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<v Speaker 4>And this this and that I had to go all

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<v Speaker 4>the way to the corporate office to get five dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you mailed me something and it's broken, you're

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<v Speaker 4>supposed to replace it. Like, how dare you even think

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<v Speaker 4>you can have a policy that says that you don't

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<v Speaker 4>have to. So this is something that for me is

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<v Speaker 4>a real passion. I have no idea the process of

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<v Speaker 4>getting you know, scooting myself from one world to the net,

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<v Speaker 4>but I really I wish that and when I go

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<v Speaker 4>and come back that I would be in quality controlled

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<v Speaker 4>and customer service.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, listen, man, I know if you and customer service,

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<v Speaker 2>the customer service is going to be immaculate because what

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<v Speaker 2>you demand from customer service, it's pretty much what we

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<v Speaker 2>all shit.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I joke about it a lot. But

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<v Speaker 2>should we should have Queen Silp? Should have people, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. We should have people who want

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<v Speaker 2>to be actually like their job, Like their attitude shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be like you bother them because you're asking them to

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<v Speaker 2>do things to make you comfortable as a customer.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, we shouldn't thank you very much. So

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<v Speaker 1>do we have a music spot?

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<v Speaker 4>Like, listen, I don't want us to just be giving

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<v Speaker 4>the music spotlight to people that don't deserve it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't have a music spotlight, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>want to highlight a clothing brand that has beautiful clothing

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<v Speaker 2>and it is my guy Smith is Smith, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>called Actively Black Actively Black.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a shirt. Look see this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me say that a more confident Okay, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is one of the church black and cocky.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Actively black man. So they sent me a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. Shout out to him, Listen to me. It

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<v Speaker 2>is quality sportswear, quality sports. Where they sent you a

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<v Speaker 2>whole box of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting ready to start going through it for my travels.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Landy Smith. Shout out to Actively Black.

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<v Speaker 2>If you do not have some of their clothing, then

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<v Speaker 2>you need to go on actively black dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They partner with Alan Everson. I've seen Obama and some

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<v Speaker 2>of their clothing. You know they're doing. They're doing amazing things.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of my premium brands, top brands. He sent

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<v Speaker 2>me a box of stuff that I'm gonna work out

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<v Speaker 2>it and some it's fly stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It is work.

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<v Speaker 3>It ain't just worker, it's quality sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Were man it's real quality, high quality sports with Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at I've had a free shorts from

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<v Speaker 2>last year that I got that's still in tip top shape,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I work out in them all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>My favorite work out you.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I was gonna say that well, a little

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<v Speaker 4>different from you. They also sent me a box, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so proud of Actively Black. First of all, I

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<v Speaker 4>remember when you first started promoting them, a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people didn't know who they were, and this was like

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<v Speaker 4>at the very beginning of folks saying we need to

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<v Speaker 4>buy black, and you were immediately on Actively Black. So

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<v Speaker 4>shout out to you for that, especially after the Nike

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<v Speaker 4>situation when we decided to not wear night y'all don't

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<v Speaker 4>even miss Nike anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Like actually I told you, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't even see it anymore as something like I don't

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<v Speaker 4>feel I don't I just don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel attached to it. So that's that.

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<v Speaker 4>But but they sent me things and the quality, like

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<v Speaker 4>you said, is so good. It's so it's such a

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<v Speaker 4>good brand. And so for people who are like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to support some black owned business, but I

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<v Speaker 4>want myself to be because sometimes, let's be clear, try

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<v Speaker 4>to support our own and the stuff don't be that

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<v Speaker 4>good quality, like I'm just saying, And it's not just

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<v Speaker 4>our own. Sometimes we support other brands and the equality

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<v Speaker 4>is not there, you know what I'm saying. And then anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not their customer service quality I got.

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<v Speaker 1>I could go on.

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<v Speaker 3>But I won't.

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<v Speaker 4>Customer service Actively Black they definitely have good customer service

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<v Speaker 4>and they have a heart for the community and the people,

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<v Speaker 4>and a lot of folks are starting to get into it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, people have been supporting them, So keep supporting

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<v Speaker 4>Actively Black.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I am actively Black, all right.

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<v Speaker 4>Family, So today you know, we always have our friends on,

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<v Speaker 4>but today we got our little sister, and I am

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<v Speaker 4>really really excited because this is a young woman who

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<v Speaker 4>is an example of what we tell our young people

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<v Speaker 4>they need to do. She's not waiting for anybody to

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<v Speaker 4>give her position. She's not waiting to be lifted and

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<v Speaker 4>we need to pass the torch and no, no, she

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<v Speaker 4>is blazing her own trails and carrying the torch all

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<v Speaker 4>at the same time. And we're just I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>my song, what's the word. It's not just excited, it's elated.

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<v Speaker 4>It's elated crowd to have this young woman as our sister,

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<v Speaker 4>our colleague, and the struggle and just so many things.

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<v Speaker 4>And I can actually cry because it's just that deep knowing,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, watching all of us grow over time, but

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<v Speaker 4>especially watching Bria Baker, our young sister, go from on

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<v Speaker 4>the streets, on the ground to putting it in a

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<v Speaker 4>book and now she has such an amazing project. Let

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<v Speaker 4>me tell you a little bit about Bria Bacon. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>y'all know I don't read bios on this show. It's

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<v Speaker 4>very limited, but in this situation, we want to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that our sister is properly introduced.

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<v Speaker 1>To all of you.

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<v Speaker 4>So, Bria Baker is a freedom fighter and writer and

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<v Speaker 4>a national and global strategist. Come on, now, tell them

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<v Speaker 4>exactly who you are. She has contributed to dozens of

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<v Speaker 4>electoral and advocacy campaigns, including the twenty seventeen Women's March

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<v Speaker 4>on Washington, the twenty eighteen student walkouts against gun violence,

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<v Speaker 4>and Jamani Williams successful bid for New York City Public Advocate.

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<v Speaker 4>Ria has a BA in political science from Yale University,

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<v Speaker 4>where she served as president of Yale's NAACP chapter and

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<v Speaker 4>co director of the AIDS Walk New Haven, Okay. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>Ria has a book. It is called Rooted, the American

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<v Speaker 4>Legacy of land theft and the modern Movement for Black

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<v Speaker 4>land Ownership. It delves into one of the nation's first

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<v Speaker 4>and stealing and hoarding the land, and follows Ria and

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<v Speaker 4>her family on a personal journey to preserve her ancestors

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<v Speaker 4>land in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Ria, thank you so much for joining us on Tami.

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<v Speaker 6>Sah no is going to make me cry because they

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<v Speaker 6>are being too kind, like little sister. But like I

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<v Speaker 6>was just following around, happy to learn at y'all's feed

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<v Speaker 6>and Carmen and Linda and just learn so much from

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<v Speaker 6>the two of y'all though of course through gathering and

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<v Speaker 6>other spaces. But it is just so special to get

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<v Speaker 6>to talk to y'all about a book after having been

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<v Speaker 6>the little intern volunteer assistant who was taking notes all

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<v Speaker 6>those years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just want to say, first of all, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very proud of you, and this book is just pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much a testament of who you are. You know, like

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<v Speaker 2>you always found things that needed to be spoken on,

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<v Speaker 2>Like even when I go to your social media, you

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<v Speaker 2>speak on the things that we need to say talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>but nobody actually highlights.

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<v Speaker 3>And you have a knack for that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know in this book right here just pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>speaks to who you are, Like, what made you say

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<v Speaker 2>that I want to write this book and about what

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<v Speaker 2>you wrote about.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for saying that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, you know, right before we got on

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<v Speaker 6>this call, you and I Mice were talking about grief

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<v Speaker 6>really quickly, and grief is definitely what pushed me to

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<v Speaker 6>write the book and family and love for what it

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<v Speaker 6>means to be black and happy. And I think I

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<v Speaker 6>had gotten to a place where I was in the

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<v Speaker 6>work because I was angry, and then my grandfather passed

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<v Speaker 6>away in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 5>And it kind of made me stop.

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<v Speaker 6>It was right after Jimani was elected, and so it

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<v Speaker 6>was really just like stilled me and forced me to

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<v Speaker 6>really think about what legacy meant for my family, not

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<v Speaker 6>just for what I was doing for a theoretical community,

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<v Speaker 6>but what am I doing for the black people who

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<v Speaker 6>I'm related to? What's our story? What's the legacy that

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<v Speaker 6>I need to continue on for my grandfather now that

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<v Speaker 6>he's not here. And the last words that he said,

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<v Speaker 6>or some of the last words he said in his

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<v Speaker 6>hospital bed was don't sell the land. So it felt

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<v Speaker 6>so clear learn more about why he cares so much

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<v Speaker 6>about this land, make sure that the family stays together,

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<v Speaker 6>because grief can be a time when we.

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<v Speaker 5>Are ununited.

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<v Speaker 6>And I just wanted to make sure that we understood

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<v Speaker 6>that we have to be really locked in and laser

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<v Speaker 6>focused on what he saw is important. And the more

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<v Speaker 6>research I did, the more it was like, well, now

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not just doing it for him, I'm doing it

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<v Speaker 6>for me.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing it for my little one.

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<v Speaker 6>I just I want more of us to have access

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<v Speaker 6>to land as a vehicle for wealth, but also as

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<v Speaker 6>just a place where we can be ourselves. And it's

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<v Speaker 6>we don't you know, We're not under someone else's thumb

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<v Speaker 6>or being policed.

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<v Speaker 5>We're in our own space.

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<v Speaker 4>So you talked about America's first sin just stealing land,

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<v Speaker 4>which makes it not hard for us to understand why

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<v Speaker 4>they are so supportive of Israel as it steals land,

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<v Speaker 4>the land of the Palestinian people. Why don't you talk

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit about that, like in your research. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we know it theoretically.

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<v Speaker 3>We talk about.

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<v Speaker 4>The native people to this land. We talk about how

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<v Speaker 4>their land was stolen, it was encroached upon, how they

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<v Speaker 4>never have been properly acknowledged for the fact that they

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<v Speaker 4>were already here and then we came to this country.

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<v Speaker 4>We were, I always say, trafficked to America, and we

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<v Speaker 4>built the nation on our backs. And I would love

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<v Speaker 4>to hear you talk about your research because I can imagine,

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<v Speaker 4>again from one perspective, we all know it, but when

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<v Speaker 4>you started to do that research, you probably found some

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<v Speaker 4>pretty egregious stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, definitely, definitely, because I mean the things that

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<v Speaker 6>we know about are the Tulsa massacres, which are horrible, horrific, right,

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<v Speaker 6>but we think that they were few and far between.

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<v Speaker 6>And the Tulsa massacre happened inineteen twenty one. Two years

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<v Speaker 6>before that was the Red Summer of nineteen nineteen, but

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<v Speaker 6>even that is like a misnomer because it was all year,

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<v Speaker 6>just a massacre every other day across the country. And

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<v Speaker 6>then before then was the nineteen oh six Atlanta massacre,

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<v Speaker 6>and then before then was the Wilmington massacre. So number one,

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 6>seeing the scale of how often black people were being

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:23.480
<v Speaker 6>forced out of the South. So, as you said, like

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:25.679
<v Speaker 6>the word traffic, I think it's important that we use

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:29.199
<v Speaker 6>this deeper language because yeah, we were trafficked here and

0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:33.200
<v Speaker 6>then we weren't just like moving and migrating north. We

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 6>were running for our lives and being forced out of

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 6>an expulsed out of, very similar to things that are

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:43.159
<v Speaker 6>happening in Palestine and the Congo and other similar places.

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.720
<v Speaker 6>And it actually made me, It made me feel even

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 6>stronger in my result that there has to be a

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 6>free Palestine, because if I know what happened to my

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 6>family in North Carolina, what happened to a lot of

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 6>black families across Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, et cetera, I

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 6>know intimately what a Palestinian family who is watching their

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.960
<v Speaker 6>village be turned into an Israeli settlement, seeing olive groves

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 6>be transformed into like tourism spots for settlers, Like it's

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 6>you watch your dreams literally get ripped from under you.

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.440
<v Speaker 6>In the case of Palaestinians, you're watching bulldozers literally crush

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 6>your homes. In the cases of the black people, they're

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 6>burning all black towns, lynching people, forcing you north, and

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 6>from a distance, you have to watch a new thing

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 6>get built on what was yours, like Lake Lanier, right,

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 6>like that was a black town that they said we're

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:34.639
<v Speaker 6>going to put a lake over this and like you

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:38.640
<v Speaker 6>have to watch now, like you know, generations later, decades later,

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:41.400
<v Speaker 6>you have to watch white people get on jet skis

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.160
<v Speaker 6>on a lake where there are cemeteries under there. There

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 6>were churches, there were schools, there were homes, And that

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 6>happens in a lot of places. And it's not always

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 6>the overt violence like the massacres. Sometimes it's the violence

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 6>of eminent domain. It could be a lot of different things,

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 6>but a lot of policy and outright violence has been

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 6>you use to take people like black people's life, savings, dreams,

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.479
<v Speaker 6>everything we've worked towards. So when people say things like, well,

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:09.680
<v Speaker 6>we got to work together, like insert community, and it's

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 6>like we have always worked together.

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 5>It's just right at the time that we're succeeding.

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:18.359
<v Speaker 6>Jealousy makes white supremacy say, ooh that needs to be mine.

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:20.880
<v Speaker 6>I deserve it more than you, and that's what needs

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:21.479
<v Speaker 6>to be stopped.

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 3>M that's amazing.

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.959
<v Speaker 2>So give us a little bit of your personal, you

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 2>know situation when you when your your grandfather said, don't

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 2>sell the land. So what was the process like for that,

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 2>and was there people trying to take the land from you, Like,

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:39.640
<v Speaker 2>what was the process that happened with them.

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well, thankfully, when my grandfather passed away, my grandmother

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 6>was still living, so it was still in her hands.

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 6>And then after that it was put into a trust

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 6>and a land trust for our family to kind of

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 6>hold on to. And that's important for us to know,

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 6>is that you need more than just a standard will

0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.439
<v Speaker 6>or more than just well I want it to be

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 6>this person, like you really got to get the paperwork

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 6>to really shore up these assets. Because black people, we

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 6>are resilient, we are innovative, so we can make some money,

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 6>but are we going to be able to pass on

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 6>in inheritance that the next generation can still get? So

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 6>I feel grateful that it is still in our family

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 6>since he's passed away, But the larger story of our

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 6>family absolutely has a lot of theft in it. So

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 6>our family still has about one hundred acres in North Carolina,

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 6>which is huge to me. But when I was doing

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 6>the research, we used to have a six hundred acre

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 6>farm in like the thirties, and it's like, so we

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 6>owned more and had more as a family, Like we

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 6>had more equity as a family almost one hundred years

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 6>ago than we do now in a post racial America.

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 5>And that's the story of a lot of black families.

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 6>And again, like families that were starting over in Chicago, Detroit,

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 6>New York, Oakland, Newark, they weren't selling their land and

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 6>starting over with the profits they you were running and

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 6>you didn't get to bring it with you. So there's

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 6>a lot of wealth that has been left behind in

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 6>the South or stolen and kept in the South, but

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 6>out of black people's hands. But I'm still grateful that

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 6>we do have a little bit or not. So a

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 6>little bit one hundred acres is something beautiful. We have

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 6>a substantive family plot still, which is really really beautiful.

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 6>But I know that in two generations it went from

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 6>six hundred to one hundred. So I'm trying to make

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 6>sure that it only grows from here and doesn't continue

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 6>to get smaller and smaller and smaller.

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 4>So what would you say is the most important thing

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 4>that you have learned on this journey?

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I always knew this, but it's important to

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 6>realize how hard it is for black people to hold

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 6>on to our stuff, so that we understand and appreciate

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 6>what it means to keep it. And like there's a

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 6>lot of critique of oh, well, you know, grandma didn'

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 6>keep the brownstone, but who was helping her with the

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 6>property taxes? Who was being a part of and making

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 6>sure that she knew that you were interested in keeping

0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 6>that going. And we can't let our elders re hire

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 6>with assets that feel like burdens to them but could

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 6>be equalizers for us. We have to have deeper intergenerational

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 6>conversations with our elders, know their stories, know what they have,

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 6>because a lot of us are like, oh, yeah, my

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 6>family used to kind of have some land, and we

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 6>don't even know the full story of it, whether anyone

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 6>in the family is still tied to it, and so

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 6>we kind of lose sight of acres that we do

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 6>have or homes that we do have, just because it

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 6>kind of goes to disrepair. So I think the biggest

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 6>thing is just how much how important it is to

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:33.239
<v Speaker 6>talk about these things, especially as black people, and then

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 6>for white people to do the same, Like there are

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 6>white people who inherit things and they never critique where

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 6>it came from, why they are able to have certain

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:46.719
<v Speaker 6>leisure and ease that other people don't. And even if

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 6>you don't think of yourself as someone who's super, super

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 6>wealthy if you inherited part of a business, a small family, home, stocks, whatever,

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 6>that's something that a lot of black families have not

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 6>and not because we don't deserve it or haven't worked

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 6>for it, but because it's been taken from us.

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, you know what, just listening to what you're saying.

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 4>When I think of black people that I know, older

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 4>black people, it was always like a big secret.

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Everything they had was a secret. Don't talk about it.

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 4>You don't tell people how much it costs or how

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 4>it came into ownership of it. It's like, that's nobody

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 4>else's business. Hide the papers, you know, put it in

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 4>the in the floor in the house. But that's not

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 4>helpful to a second generation or a third generation that

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 4>is attempting to learn or that would like to mar

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 4>so that they could keep the legacy going. And I

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 4>think I hear you saying when you say talk about it,

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 4>we're not saying just sit around and be like, yeah,

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 4>buy home, holds up. We're saying, give the details of

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 4>all of what has taken place, and then and then

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 4>also be willing to show the family where things currently stand.

0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 6>Exactly that, exactly that, And like you said, it's a

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 6>I'm a response to want to not get too wide

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 6>with it, knowing that if too many people know, they.

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 5>Want what's yours.

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 6>I mean, that was even a conversation I have with

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 6>my aunt I'm thinking I'm being the family activist.

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, Auntie, I don't like that you have.

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 6>Guns, you know, gun violence and all this stuff, And

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 6>she's like, Briya, we live in North Carolina. We are

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 6>a black family with a lot of acres that a

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 6>lot of people want. We have to protect ourselves and

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 6>what is ours. And it gave me a different understanding

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 6>and nuance that I still fight for gun safety and

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 6>gun regulation and gun protection and we can't leave black

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 6>families defenseless, and we can't force black families to put

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:41.720
<v Speaker 6>themselves out in the open. But at the same time,

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 6>there's a difference between telling strangers on the internet your

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 6>business and telling the family.

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 5>And what used to happen when I was young.

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 6>Is at the family reunion, the elders would tell the

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 6>story of the family. There was a shirt that had

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 6>a family tree on the back and we would just

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 6>record this oral history and people knew what it was.

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 6>And I think that that is a missing recipe that

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 6>we got to get back to because other people don't

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 6>need to know, but we do need to have intra

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 6>conversations so that younger generations value it and don't settle

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 6>for a shoe box apartment that they rent forever when

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 6>they know that there's land that is their birthright, when

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 6>a home is their birth right, when kids running free

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 6>in a backyard is their birthright too.

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 3>So there's been a lot of talk about deed death right.

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 2>We had a black woman on here, actually it was

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Queen of four and she was telling us a parent

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I think she said it was her grandmother's home or

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 2>something that they literally she was still fighting for a

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 2>home that she grew up in and they just pretty

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 2>much told her that she didn't. So do you know

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 2>anything about that especially? And we were talking also talking

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 2>about the black farmers with what they've been dealing with

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>with their lane. So give us a little insight that

0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 2>you have on those things.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's a really that's a really important part too,

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 6>the food justice side of it, because isn't it interesting

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 6>that we go from black people are the forced laborers,

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 6>we're forced to work this land, so then just a

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 6>generation and a half later, we are in food apartheid

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:21.839
<v Speaker 6>in communities where there are only bodegas and delis and

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 6>fast food, and we can't access the food that our

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 6>ancestors were forced to grow. And that's also something that

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:30.399
<v Speaker 6>I say, is like we were forced to work the land,

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 6>and when they couldn't profit off of our free labor,

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 6>it was like, Okay, well now we want y'all to

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 6>have nothing to do with it. And so now we're

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:40.399
<v Speaker 6>so detached from it. Where organic food and clean air

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 6>and clean water used to be a birthright for us

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 6>and normal for us. My grandmother used to say that,

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:46.759
<v Speaker 6>like we used to grow our own cucumbers, grow our

0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 6>own fruit, have our own pigs and chickens, and now

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 6>we're forced into these Flint and Newark sort of communities

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 6>where having a healthy lifestyle is really not even up

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:01.320
<v Speaker 6>to you. It's up to the infrastructure you and whether

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.919
<v Speaker 6>the powers that be will let you have clean air,

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 6>clean food, clean water.

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:10.799
<v Speaker 6>And so to your point of those sorts of like

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:14.920
<v Speaker 6>attacks and the deed theft and how that affects farmers,

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 6>I mean, deep theft in general is a big thing.

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 6>There's a documentary called Silver Dollar Road that kind of

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 6>digs into this and a black family that had grown

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:25.920
<v Speaker 6>up on this land their whole life were told that

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:28.399
<v Speaker 6>they were trespassing on land that they'd lived on their

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 6>whole lives. They were like middle aged at this point.

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 6>We're told they were trespassing in that if they didn't leave,

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 6>they would go to jail. They didn't leave, and they

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 6>actually incarcerated these like I think sixty year old black

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 6>men who had lived on this land their whole life.

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 6>That happens all the time. Sometimes it's they they're just

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 6>hoping you can't prove that you have the deed, and

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.239
<v Speaker 6>if a paper gets lost or whatever and you can't

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 6>prove it, then they've shuffled some paperwork around and now

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 6>they can't prove it, and now you're just lost in paperwork.

0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 6>And if your lawyer can't handle being tied up with

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 6>their lawyer, then you just can't afford the fight. Other

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 6>Times it's overt like in the Willington massacre, they literally

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 6>were burning deeds, so after the massacre was over, survivors

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 6>wouldn't be able to prove whether they owned anything in

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 6>the community.

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:13.399
<v Speaker 5>That also happened in Tulsa, So.

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 6>There's a lot of shady, shifty, manipulative stuff, and that's

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 6>definitely something to be vigilant of. This idea that you

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.239
<v Speaker 6>know it's easy to build a black wall street is look,

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 6>you can build it, but to protect it, to maintain it,

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 6>to keep it going is the hard part, because white

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 6>supremacy will do this all the time. I mean, the

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 6>move bombing in Philly was way more recent than some

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 6>of these massacres I'm talking about, and that was like

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 6>what the seventies, the mid seventies.

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:40.760
<v Speaker 5>So this government has.

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 6>Shown that it will turn the other way or be

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:48.400
<v Speaker 6>actively participating in dispossessing us. And I think that is

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 6>the challenging part, is how to keep people optimistic and

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 6>motivated to keep fighting for it.

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:57.320
<v Speaker 5>But I think we just have to because it is ours.

0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 5>We deserve it. I mean, our ancestor.

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:01.920
<v Speaker 6>If they didn't fight, we wouldn't be here having a

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:05.320
<v Speaker 6>conversation like we are. And I just feel so lucky

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 6>to have learned from people like you two, from people

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.480
<v Speaker 6>like mister B, from people who just have been relentless

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 6>about speaking up about things that feel so like the

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 6>odds feel so sacked against us, but still we keep

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 6>sounding the alarmed. So we just got to keep fighting

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 6>and keep trying new things, but self protection is definitely

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 6>part of it, because they will try and convince us

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 6>we don't own what we own.

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 4>Well, here's the last question that I have for you,

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:32.279
<v Speaker 4>and I just want to thank you for giving us

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 4>your time and your brilliance, because you know what you this.

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 4>My son made a very good point at the top

0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 4>of this interview, and that is that you are always

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:49.280
<v Speaker 4>on a different vibe, like you're educating people. Your content

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 4>is different from what everybody else is talking about. So

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 4>while folks running around up and down about Trump this

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:58.720
<v Speaker 4>and Trump that, you'll be on your page talking about

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 4>land ownership, of talking about women's rights, young people, you know,

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 4>and young people's power and so on and so forth.

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 4>So I appreciate the fact that you stay. You are

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:16.919
<v Speaker 4>a person who dances to your own tumb and it's

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:21.920
<v Speaker 4>not off beat. It's always I was watching my family

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 4>reunion the line dances, as you know, that's a big deal.

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 4>Everybody does a great line dance. They got about twenty

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:33.920
<v Speaker 4>five of Fama and I have some cousins that are

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 4>so skilled at the line dances that they go in

0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 4>the opposite direction in the midst of the crowds are

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.400
<v Speaker 4>going one way and they're going in the opposite direction.

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 4>But it's never off key. It's always key and it

0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 4>stands out. And I think that's you know, I think

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:54.239
<v Speaker 4>of you that way. But I want you and I

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 4>want you to speak to this really quickly. There are

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 4>people who are advocates for land ownerships. They are advocates

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 4>for economic development and economic sustainability in our community.

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:10.839
<v Speaker 1>Is there.

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 4>They are advocates for us being smarter about investments and

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:20.240
<v Speaker 4>savings and all of that, and some of these saying

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 4>people believe that the political process is not that important,

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 4>that voting is not important. All of these candidates ain't

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:33.399
<v Speaker 4>no good, and therefore I'm not voting for anybody. I'm

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:36.000
<v Speaker 4>just gonna focus on getting money.

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 1>And in a time where we see the Tulsa massacre.

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 4>Proceedings being thrown out of the highest court, at a

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 4>time when we see the Fearless Fund under attack, which

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:54.839
<v Speaker 4>is an effort to help fund black women's businesses by

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:58.960
<v Speaker 4>black women, at a time when we see an effort,

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 4>and not just an f a very successful campaign to

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 4>dismantle DEI practices within corporate institutions, educational institutions, government institutions.

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.399
<v Speaker 4>What do you say you're a younger person too, you

0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 4>have your finger on the pulse of what is happening

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 4>with young people. Do you think that at this point

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:24.239
<v Speaker 4>voting is pass and we should just be focusing on

0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 4>getting money or do you see value in voting?

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 5>I definitely see value in both.

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 6>I'm not someone who thinks any one strategy can work

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 6>by itself, because again, you can be focused on getting money,

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 6>and if you're not building up protections and safety nets, then.

0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:41.799
<v Speaker 5>That can just get snatched from you.

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 6>And if you only focus on voting, which some people do,

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:46.800
<v Speaker 6>and present that as like the thing that's going to

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 6>save democracy, when it doesn't save democracy, then you disappoint

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.239
<v Speaker 6>people because it's like you just told me this was

0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 6>the most consequential thing I could do in my lifetime.

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 6>I did it, and it doesn't feel consequential if things

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 6>feel the same. So I think think it's both in

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 6>I think those who are pushing people to vote have

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 6>to stop pretending as though it's going to be this

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.360
<v Speaker 6>like one hundred and eighty degrees change. A lot of

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:11.239
<v Speaker 6>things will be the same, but there's also a lot

0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:13.320
<v Speaker 6>we can change. Voting is not just for the president.

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 6>There's so many down ballot positions that we vote for

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 6>commissioners of agriculture, right, jobs that we're like we don't

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.399
<v Speaker 6>even even really think about, but have so much say

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 6>over things like what you can do with your land. Like,

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:26.880
<v Speaker 6>for example, you could buy a bunch of land and

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:28.799
<v Speaker 6>someone could tell you, oh, that's zoned a certain way,

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:31.319
<v Speaker 6>you can't build that business there. You can't do that

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 6>saying there. So now you have this whole plan for yourself.

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:36.760
<v Speaker 6>But because you didn't know that, the person in office

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 6>doesn't once you building a marijuana business in his state.

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:40.839
<v Speaker 5>Now you know what I mean.

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 6>So there's an importance in addressing it from all areas.

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 6>And I think that young people who feel jaded just

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 6>have to remember you're not voting because you think that

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 6>that's going to be the one thing you can do

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 6>to save the world. You're voting because you need a

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:58.880
<v Speaker 6>range of tools in your arsenal.

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 5>And that's you know, that's important.

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 6>So the last thing I'll say, Another example that I'll

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 6>give as the last thing is the Bruce's Beach example.

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 6>Everyone was really excited about this family in California that

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 6>gets their beachfront land back after cavan Ward and the organization.

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:15.399
<v Speaker 5>Where's my land.

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 6>Fight for them to get this land, and they're given

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 6>this land back. But when the land was taken from them,

0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 6>it was beachfront property with.

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 5>A resort on it.

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 6>When it's given back to them, it's just it's just

0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 6>the property, no buildings on it, nothing they can move into,

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.960
<v Speaker 6>nothing they can immediately profit off of. That's a tax

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.719
<v Speaker 6>burden in the state of California. There's no way for

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:36.000
<v Speaker 6>this working class family to make any money off of

0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 6>this land. So when they had to sell it back

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 6>to the state, people were upset. But it's like what

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 6>you should have fought for or not. You know, this

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 6>hasn't actually come at the activists. But what we can

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.359
<v Speaker 6>be fighting for on all ends is give the people

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:50.240
<v Speaker 6>they land back, and they should get a property tax exemption.

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:52.719
<v Speaker 6>And I'm fighting for a change to the property tax

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 6>code in general so that black families can get more relief.

0:42:57.520 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 6>And you know, like those are the sorts of things

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 6>that we need elect officials doing. Or like in New York,

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 6>if I didn't believe in voting, we wouldn't have someone

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 6>like Drewmini Williams, who we know is always in a

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.880
<v Speaker 6>position to use his power for the people. So I

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 6>think that we just have to remember that there are

0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 6>local offices that we can elect people to that can

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.359
<v Speaker 6>make a huge difference, and at the least we can

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:20.319
<v Speaker 6>mitigate harm and decide who do we want to be

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:23.360
<v Speaker 6>working against as we fight for more. But if you

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 6>only focused on getting your money and not focused on

0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:28.839
<v Speaker 6>who's trying to take your money, then you're looking at

0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 6>only one hand, and there's lots of hands moving.

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 3>That's an excellent thing.

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 2>I just want you to end this by just telling

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 2>the people what do you want them to get when

0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:39.880
<v Speaker 2>they read this book?

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:42.399
<v Speaker 3>What is your hopes that.

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Everyone who gets this book, because everyone needs to get it,

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 2>but what is your hopes that they give from them?

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:49.239
<v Speaker 5>Thank y'all for having me.

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.839
<v Speaker 6>My hope is that people will read this book and

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 6>see that reparations is inevitable. That we can't talk about

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:57.479
<v Speaker 6>it as a we should have had it. It would

0:43:57.480 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 6>be nice to have no reparations are inevitable. You're not

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.680
<v Speaker 6>an ally if you don't believe in reparations. You're not

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 6>for our community. If you do not believe in reparations,

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:08.880
<v Speaker 6>because it is the only thing that can achieve bridging

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 6>racial wealth gaps and addressing some of the environmental injustice

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 6>that we're dealing with and getting to put black people

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 6>in a position to finally be autonomous, to be in

0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.800
<v Speaker 6>control of our own futures, our own businesses, our own families.

0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 6>So I hope that people read it and excited to

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 6>work more towards reparations.

0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 1>A baker, that's a word.

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 3>See listen.

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 2>I just want to say one more thing before we go.

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:36.319
<v Speaker 2>Her mama is bad. My mam apre dis sermon at

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 2>the book thing. And I know where you get it from,

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 2>because that's a bad woman. So shout out to Mama Baker.

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:43.160
<v Speaker 2>We appreciate you, We love you.

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.879
<v Speaker 3>Bria. Continue to be great like you've always been.

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 2>I always knew that this is who you were, and

0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm just proud to see you just butting like a butterfly.

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 5>Thank you. I appreciate you. And I'm gonna have to

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:55.880
<v Speaker 5>tell her you said that.

0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:02.959
<v Speaker 1>Be a Baker. Root it, pick it up. Love you too, y'all.

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Bria Man, Love her to death, man book,

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:11.839
<v Speaker 2>gotta read the Love Her to Life. That's right, Love

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Her to Life. You should all get that book. Read it.

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 2>It's touching, it's real, it's everything that's right and it's

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 2>every element of who she is. So now we get

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 2>to mind. I don't get it. I posted a meme

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:32.719
<v Speaker 2>on my page last week and it was funny to me.

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:35.400
<v Speaker 2>You know. It was a guy he was with a

0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 2>girl and she started talking and he was like yeah, yeah,

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:41.719
<v Speaker 2>and what else do you do? And then she just

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.560
<v Speaker 2>gave him this look like she was confused, and it

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 2>was like huh, and then he was like, what else

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.359
<v Speaker 2>do you do? And then she still was confused, and

0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 2>then it was this slow motion boys, She's like, what

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 2>else do you do? And then she just still was

0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 2>just stuff like she didn't get it, So you know that,

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 2>and the more of the story is like there are

0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 2>some girls that all they can do is talk. They

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 2>don't have anything else to offer, and we know there's

0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:06.520
<v Speaker 2>some men that don't have anything to offer too. But

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:08.759
<v Speaker 2>it was funny, you know, just and there was a

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 2>lot of different comments on there, and then it brought me,

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, there was one of the comments where women

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:17.880
<v Speaker 2>was like, well, y'all need to not you know, you

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 2>should stop liking pages like that as girls that's all

0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 2>they do and all you do is like it.

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:23.320
<v Speaker 3>And then it was.

0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Some girls like, well what else, what do we have

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 2>to offer for her to have to offer more than that.

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:30.840
<v Speaker 2>So there was just different comments and different that, And

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:35.120
<v Speaker 2>one of the things it brought me to was just

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 2>thinking about how we are portraying our women, right like.

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.359
<v Speaker 2>And it's not to take anything away from women who

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:46.799
<v Speaker 2>tork like I love to see a woman turk. There's

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:50.959
<v Speaker 2>no man, you know, there's very few. I'm not gonna

0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:55.320
<v Speaker 2>say nobody. There are very few men who are heterosexual

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 2>males that don't like to see a woman who got

0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:59.719
<v Speaker 2>a nice body tworking and working our body. That's just

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 2>something in man. It's gonna like naturally, you know. But

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:05.800
<v Speaker 2>but when you looking to date or you actually looking

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:08.600
<v Speaker 2>to take something serious, you want to see more than that,

0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 2>right And I think for me, there was this conversation

0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:15.680
<v Speaker 2>about BT awards, and I really didn't get involved.

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:17.000
<v Speaker 3>In it because I didn't, you know, I don't.

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:20.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to throw shade at anybody or any individual.

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:22.879
<v Speaker 2>You know, a lot of these women are talented. They

0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:25.240
<v Speaker 2>just know how to work and work and be talented.

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:29.760
<v Speaker 2>But there are women in this industry who don't work,

0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:34.359
<v Speaker 2>who are talented, who are skilled too, adult rappers who

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 2>can n who can do all those things, but they

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 2>just rather not work. It's just not something that they'll

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:42.279
<v Speaker 2>come through with or something that they choose to do.

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 2>So when I looked at the BT Awards and then

0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:48.640
<v Speaker 2>people like, oh, that's all we got, and I said, damn,

0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, and and and then I compared it to

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:55.560
<v Speaker 2>that meme and the reaction I started saying, you know,

0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:58.799
<v Speaker 2>we are we not doing ourselves a disservice?

0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Are we doing ourselves? Yeah, we're doing it.

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:07.479
<v Speaker 2>We're actually doing ourselves with disservice when all we show

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:12.120
<v Speaker 2>is one genre of female doing something right, because it

0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:14.759
<v Speaker 2>makes it seem like that's all we have. And when

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 2>you say black entertainment television, if that's the only entertainment

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 2>we got, you know, then is wrong. I mean, because

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I know it's not the only entertainment we got. You

0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:28.400
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. We have artists like Tink, We

0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:32.640
<v Speaker 2>have artists like on Rhapsody, We have artists like Lady London.

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:34.400
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. We have artists that I

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.880
<v Speaker 2>know that are dope that nobody and they're not talking

0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:40.800
<v Speaker 2>that's that's not what they do. They're not saying they can't.

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:43.320
<v Speaker 2>But that's just not the way that they promote their music,

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 2>and when we're not highlighting them, we're not giving them

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:49.879
<v Speaker 2>the same platforms and stages that we give those who

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:53.400
<v Speaker 2>do do it. Then it is an imbalance, you know,

0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:56.360
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what's happening in society all together.

0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:59.120
<v Speaker 2>For me, there's just too much of an imbalance one

0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:01.440
<v Speaker 2>way or the other. Like what happened to the balance,

0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 2>What happened to where we had conscious music? You know,

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 2>we had street orientated music, we had just fun and music.

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:15.399
<v Speaker 2>We had love song like it's either this or that, right,

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 2>it's it's all the.

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:17.120
<v Speaker 3>Way this, so all the way there.

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:19.359
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, I think that we need to start

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:23.399
<v Speaker 2>highlighting more things because you know, like men are either

0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:27.239
<v Speaker 2>jaded with just seeing somebody talk all the time, or

0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 2>that's all they want to see because that's all they've

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:33.359
<v Speaker 2>been given. You know, you just start taking it as

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:35.600
<v Speaker 2>that's all it really is. And I think it's so

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:40.319
<v Speaker 2>much more, especially as black people and entertainment television. I

0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.440
<v Speaker 2>think it's so much more that we have to offer

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.400
<v Speaker 2>that we actually aren't given, you know, and it's making

0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:51.640
<v Speaker 2>it's so lopsided the view of what black women is

0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:54.480
<v Speaker 2>and what black entertainment is it is just changing for

0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's a negative you know, connotation just

0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 2>attached to it now. And I just wonder, I think

0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:05.359
<v Speaker 2>think we have to be a lot more intentional and

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:08.279
<v Speaker 2>so I just don't get. What I don't get is

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:15.760
<v Speaker 2>why aren't these platforms highlighting different styles of music, different

0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:19.520
<v Speaker 2>styles of entertainment for females. Why aren't Why isn't that

0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:21.640
<v Speaker 2>something that people are intentional about doing.

0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, here's my thing. Yes, balance is key.

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 4>I always talk about it because I am not, you know,

0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:35.200
<v Speaker 4>one to condemn, which I understand that you're also not condemning,

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, any artists, right, I don't condemn them. You

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 4>know when people have come to me and they're like, oh,

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.440
<v Speaker 4>you need to be saying something about sexy Red and

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:49.960
<v Speaker 4>Sukiana and this one and that one because it's filth

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.919
<v Speaker 4>and it's this and it's that. By the way, every

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.279
<v Speaker 4>now and then, depending on what the song is, I

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 4>be bumping a little sexy Red. So I'm not I'm

0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:01.800
<v Speaker 4>not if.

0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 3>Everybody say, get it sexy.

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not gonna be a hypocrite there.

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 4>I also know that there was a people like, well,

0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:13.360
<v Speaker 4>one person said to me no, it's different.

0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:15.600
<v Speaker 1>It's much more raunchy. Well, I don't know how much

0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:16.200
<v Speaker 1>more raunchy.

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:18.880
<v Speaker 4>You could get the little Kim on the cover of

0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:23.160
<v Speaker 4>her album where she was kneeling down or squatting down

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:27.480
<v Speaker 4>and you could literally see hair on the sides of

0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:31.360
<v Speaker 4>her vagina. That's a fact. So it's been raunchy. Adena

0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:35.600
<v Speaker 4>Howard was raunchy. Now perhaps the times were a little different.

0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:38.319
<v Speaker 4>So it's just like you and me right like or

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:39.960
<v Speaker 4>and everybody else out here.

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:40.879
<v Speaker 1>We used to.

0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:46.360
<v Speaker 4>Wear the afro and now it's the fade and whatever

0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 4>the caesar and it time things the ball people change.

0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 4>But the message was still popping Kuchie, sucking pp selling,

0:51:56.600 --> 0:52:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Kuchie getting money. There was the same exac message. The

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:03.680
<v Speaker 4>words is just a little bit different. I am not

0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:07.280
<v Speaker 4>one of those people who's gonna sit here and say, oh,

0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:13.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, I want to condemn these particular individuals. What

0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 4>I do think is true is that there has to

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:19.399
<v Speaker 4>be a balance. Now, b Et will say, well, they

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:23.120
<v Speaker 4>look a lot at album sales, right, they look at popularity,

0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:28.120
<v Speaker 4>album sales and numbers, social media impact all of that.

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 4>So if they find that a person you know, is

0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 4>doing great numbers of course they are going to put

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.400
<v Speaker 4>them on the show, and then those people whose numbers

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.319
<v Speaker 4>may not be that good, those people don't make it.

0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:47.600
<v Speaker 4>And I'm not quoting pt, but I'm saying I know

0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:51.040
<v Speaker 4>the mindset because I've been in these media meetings and

0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:52.360
<v Speaker 4>i know how they think.

0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Right. So, but the problem with that, and I.

0:52:57.280 --> 0:53:04.360
<v Speaker 4>Watched some of the old time do something that was groundbreaking,

0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:08.640
<v Speaker 4>and that was that they would mix in the people

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:11.680
<v Speaker 4>who you don't necessarily listen to or hear from all

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:16.080
<v Speaker 4>the time. They would sandwich them between things, whether it

0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:18.680
<v Speaker 4>be at a rally. You know, it could be a

0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:22.960
<v Speaker 4>new person speaking. You know what I'm saying that nobody

0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:25.359
<v Speaker 4>really knows. But they got a powerful message. So they're

0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 4>gonna put them on right after Tamika Mallory or whoever,

0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:35.839
<v Speaker 4>the big whoever, the other whatever, the better bigger speaker is,

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.600
<v Speaker 4>whoever it is, the President of the United States, whoever

0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:43.840
<v Speaker 4>they'll have you introduce the President of the United States.

0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:45.879
<v Speaker 3>It's like when you think about the girl who did

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:46.600
<v Speaker 3>the poetry left.

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:49.879
<v Speaker 4>I never heard exactly Amanda, I forget her last name,

0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:55.120
<v Speaker 4>but absolutely Goldman a thing, absolutely same exact thing. And

0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:57.839
<v Speaker 4>I have something to say about her but I'm gonna

0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:01.840
<v Speaker 4>wait until another time for that on my list of

0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:04.200
<v Speaker 4>things thought of the day, because since she called for

0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:08.160
<v Speaker 4>a ceasefire, I don't see her as much as I

0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:10.920
<v Speaker 4>used to, and I'm gonna through some research to figure

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 4>out what happened. But I remember looking at her page

0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:16.840
<v Speaker 4>she was calling for a seaspire and her comment section, Baby,

0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 4>these people got the nerve to talk about hate and division.

0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:24.320
<v Speaker 4>I can't even I'm at the point where i need

0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:27.560
<v Speaker 4>a trap on my mouth like a censor because I'm

0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:30.040
<v Speaker 4>ready to say things that will probably just get me

0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:31.960
<v Speaker 4>black ball for the rest of my life. And I'm

0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:34.239
<v Speaker 4>already hanging off the black ball list.

0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:39.239
<v Speaker 1>So whatever. Anyway, So that's what they did.

0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:42.839
<v Speaker 4>It was masterful how they give you a little bit

0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:46.560
<v Speaker 4>of what you like or what's being the shiny thing,

0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:49.080
<v Speaker 4>and also make sure you get other things in the

0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:52.600
<v Speaker 4>midst of that. Now, BT will say, well, we did

0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:55.640
<v Speaker 4>that with Taraji. We let her do her political you know,

0:54:56.080 --> 0:55:00.520
<v Speaker 4>her political component of her posting, and that made the

0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:03.919
<v Speaker 4>numbers for research around Project twenty twenty five go up.

0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:07.960
<v Speaker 4>You know, it increased obviously significantly overnight because of what

0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:10.480
<v Speaker 4>she said. So they will say they do that but

0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:13.680
<v Speaker 4>with the talent piece, that balance is important and they.

0:55:13.560 --> 0:55:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Need to be intentional about that.

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 4>To be quite honest with you, I looked at I

0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:23.640
<v Speaker 4>went back and looked at the artists, all of the women, right,

0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:27.880
<v Speaker 4>because I wanted to see where they extremely naked as

0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:30.799
<v Speaker 4>I had heard. They really kind of weren't. If you

0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:34.239
<v Speaker 4>really go back and look at their outfits, they were

0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:40.080
<v Speaker 4>not completely, you know, undressed. Even Meg, her outfit is sexy,

0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:43.600
<v Speaker 4>very sexy, and very suggestive, but if you look at it,

0:55:43.719 --> 0:55:46.560
<v Speaker 4>she has on tights, she has on tights, she has

0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:51.560
<v Speaker 4>on all types of things that's covering her actual skin. Glorilla, Yeah,

0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:53.480
<v Speaker 4>she went out there and shook her little booty, but

0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:55.520
<v Speaker 4>she just had a little broad top on in regular

0:55:56.200 --> 0:56:00.120
<v Speaker 4>big pants. Like I really looked. Some of it was sexy,

0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:03.919
<v Speaker 4>but it wasn't all. It wasn't all overly sexy. It's

0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:09.360
<v Speaker 4>the content though, of what they're saying, and it's content.

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:13.000
<v Speaker 2>It's the overall performance and everything, right, So yeah, with

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:17.640
<v Speaker 2>the address, at some point there's working. There's sexually suggestive

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:21.520
<v Speaker 2>inside the music, inside the performance. And I'm just trying

0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:22.480
<v Speaker 2>to say there are.

0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Artists that just don't do that.

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:28.120
<v Speaker 3>Don't do that, I agree.

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:30.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I agree with you, and I think the standard,

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:35.440
<v Speaker 4>the double standard, it spans across many different areas. That

0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:39.000
<v Speaker 4>which you're speaking of, is not just in music. It's

0:56:39.080 --> 0:56:43.200
<v Speaker 4>in politics, it's in everything. It's in everything, it's in

0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:49.120
<v Speaker 4>social justice, it's in every world where people. It can

0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:53.880
<v Speaker 4>go both ways. It's either the super conservative is the

0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:58.360
<v Speaker 4>most popular or the people who are most off the

0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:01.359
<v Speaker 4>chain radical just saying anything, even if they don't know

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:06.120
<v Speaker 4>what they're talking about. That is what people get attracted

0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:09.560
<v Speaker 4>to because they're loud and they have the most impressions,

0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:13.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, And so people who actually think don't always

0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:17.760
<v Speaker 4>get the type of promotion and get to get the

0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:22.720
<v Speaker 4>awareness around them and their thoughts and ideas.

0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:23.840
<v Speaker 1>So I see it.

0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:27.520
<v Speaker 4>I see that the balance is definitely problematic, and it

0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 4>just has to be one of the problems that we

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 4>have because again, everybody's looking for the one hit wonder,

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:39.080
<v Speaker 4>looking to try to make the algorithm pop so that

0:57:39.120 --> 0:57:43.640
<v Speaker 4>their exploit of expression can actually make it to the mouth,

0:57:44.040 --> 0:57:47.360
<v Speaker 4>excuse me, can actually make it to the masses. So

0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:50.400
<v Speaker 4>I get that, But sometimes it's just a matter of

0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:54.480
<v Speaker 4>actually calling our people in right, like actually sitting down

0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:58.040
<v Speaker 4>and writing a letter to be et or making a

0:57:58.040 --> 0:58:01.520
<v Speaker 4>phone call to say, hey, this is what we see.

0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:04.240
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying, versus us getting on social

0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:09.440
<v Speaker 4>media and being like F b et, F Meg, F Lotto,

0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:11.840
<v Speaker 4>F CARDI F this one and that one.

0:58:11.920 --> 0:58:13.240
<v Speaker 1>That's really not it's.

0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:16.840
<v Speaker 4>Actually because I at all. I know that, I know,

0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:22.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm just speaking generally. There's so much right now.

0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:25.760
<v Speaker 4>There is so much divisiveness that is happening. Like, it's

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:28.240
<v Speaker 4>so much. I can feel it in my skin. You

0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:31.760
<v Speaker 4>can see it coming up the whether. Whenever the politics

0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:38.000
<v Speaker 4>of a country is array ariy excuse me, awry the

0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:41.440
<v Speaker 4>people you can see it as well, right, So you

0:58:41.560 --> 0:58:44.960
<v Speaker 4>got that you have so many different division points, and

0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:48.520
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I feel like we're in a place

0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:51.840
<v Speaker 4>in time right now where we we gotta do a

0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:55.760
<v Speaker 4>little bit more behind the scenes conversing so we can

0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:58.680
<v Speaker 4>try to bring our people along versus thinking that we

0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:00.760
<v Speaker 4>could just push them off a cliff because I don't

0:59:00.760 --> 0:59:03.360
<v Speaker 4>think that, you know, I just don't. I don't know

0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:05.400
<v Speaker 4>that that's going that's an effective strategy.

0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:06.600
<v Speaker 3>I agree with it, you know.

0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I want to hear from our viewers, like, what do

0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:12.200
<v Speaker 2>you think do you think that there needs to be

0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:14.680
<v Speaker 2>a balance or do you like the way it is?

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:15.720
<v Speaker 3>Is it? You know?

0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:18.320
<v Speaker 2>I just want to know because maybe it's just me.

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:20.760
<v Speaker 2>But I know there's so much talent and I love

0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 2>once again. I love man.

0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:24.280
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying. I love a lot of

0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:26.800
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of was dope. I think you

0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:27.400
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying.

0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:32.120
<v Speaker 2>So, but I also love Rhapsody, I love Lady London

0:59:32.200 --> 0:59:34.880
<v Speaker 2>like I want to see those type of artists highlight.

0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:40.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm not exactly. I'm advocating for balance. I am

0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:47.400
<v Speaker 4>not advocating to diminish these women who, through their own

0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:52.160
<v Speaker 4>art and expression, are doing anything because nobody was out well,

0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:54.600
<v Speaker 4>not nobody, because there was some people out there. But

0:59:55.960 --> 1:00:00.360
<v Speaker 4>so I mixed a lot David selling, Yeah, Luke, what's

1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:01.560
<v Speaker 4>selling KOUCHI.

1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:05.919
<v Speaker 1>Right, So don't tell me is different. Don't be different.

1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Too what I'm saying. But we had ours, we had

1:00:09.840 --> 1:00:10.280
<v Speaker 3>rock Ken.

1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:13.040
<v Speaker 4>Hey, that's what I'm saying. I'm advocating for a balance.

1:00:13.520 --> 1:00:16.200
<v Speaker 4>I'm not advocating because let me tell you something, I

1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:18.560
<v Speaker 4>love me. Lotto says she big mama.

1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:23.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm big Mama.

1:00:23.640 --> 1:00:25.440
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1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:01.880
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<v Speaker 2>always and I mean always be often.

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<v Speaker 3>It that soon so.

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<v Speaker 4>That that.

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<v Speaker 3>Check out the video version of TMO.

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<v Speaker 4>Every single Wednesday on Iwoman dot Tv.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how we