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Speaker 1: Smell off now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain

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Speaker 2: Time on Thursday January thirtieth. That's not right. It is Thursday,

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Speaker 2: February sixth Who were Thursday January thirtieth. Steve will still

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Speaker 2: be in Old Mexico.

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Speaker 1: And you're not reading a script. No, this is not script.

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Speaker 2: It's good because Steve refused to read that portion in

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Speaker 2: last week's episode, so just covering up his tracks. As

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Speaker 2: I said, we are live. If you can't tell by

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Speaker 2: that live error. I'm your host, Randall Williams, and I'm

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Speaker 2: joined today by Seth Morris and Jannis to tell us.

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Speaker 2: And we also have the pleasure of having Ryan Callahan

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Speaker 2: join us for a little bit in today's episode. We've

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Speaker 2: got a great show for you today. We're going to

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Speaker 2: go all in on our recent Mexico cous deer trip.

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Speaker 2: We've got a little show and tell planned with our

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Speaker 2: bucks or whatever Giannis brought to share. We're going to

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Speaker 2: talk to Phil Kramer, a guide with more than seventeen

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Speaker 2: years of experience hunting cou's deer in Mexico. We're going

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Speaker 2: to chat with friend of the program and Meat Eater

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Speaker 2: contributor Jim Heffelfinger, who literally wrote the book on deer

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Speaker 2: of the Southwest. And we're going to play a delightful

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Speaker 2: little game called two Truths and a Lie. But before

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Speaker 2: we get started, if anyone out there in the audience

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Speaker 2: has questions for Jim or Phil, we have two experts

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Speaker 2: that'll be joining us today, so you can get any

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Speaker 2: of the questions you want answered about KU's deer cous

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Speaker 2: deer hunting. Uh, just add him into the chat and

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Speaker 2: we'll try to get those guys to answer them. And Yeah,

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Speaker 2: looking forward to talking with those gentlemen who we just saw,

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Speaker 2: you know, less than a week ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were eating Sonora and hot dogs with them.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I think I had three.

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Speaker 1: In the in total and our total time down there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I had three and one sitting.

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Speaker 2: Well we we I think we each started with two

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Speaker 2: and then got a third.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we only went to one dog place.

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Speaker 1: We missed it on the way down.

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Speaker 2: Cal insisted on tacos on the way down, which was

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Speaker 2: not a mistake, but it also wasn't hot dog.

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Speaker 3: Oh I got a tripe burrito. Can't find those up

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Speaker 3: here in Bozeman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that one guy got tattoos all over his

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Speaker 2: face and neck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: It was an interesting crowd.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim hooked us up, I feel like with our

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Speaker 1: new favorite Mexican joint in Tucson. Oh place, well you

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Speaker 1: never went to Alguero Canelo, but that was kind of

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Speaker 1: hard standby. Yeah, and it's good. But we talked to

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Speaker 1: a couple of police officers that came into our new favorite.

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Speaker 1: What was it called La Cardietta, I don't remember, however,

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Speaker 1: you say cart in Spanish is the name of this place,

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: Or something Carreta del ra. There you go, we'll get

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Speaker 2: gym on it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I like their dogs better. And then we

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Speaker 1: had that tasty little taco that was like two small

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Speaker 1: flower tortillas with a poblano chili I believe splayed out

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Speaker 1: across both of them, some carnea sada and then melted

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Speaker 1: cheese on top of that. Very simple four ingredients, and

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Speaker 1: then you'd have to cut the poblano in half and

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Speaker 1: you get two little mini tacos. I think I like

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Speaker 1: that better than the dog.

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Speaker 3: That's the best Sonarian dog I've had.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very tasty. Thank you to our friends

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Speaker 2: at Carreta del Rora.

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Speaker 4: Uh oh, before we get started, some exciting announcements to

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Speaker 4: get to uh you can pre order The Mountain Men

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Speaker 4: audiobook Mediaters American History The Mountain Men eighteen oh six

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Speaker 4: eighteen forty pre order now.

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Speaker 2: It is released on Tuesday of this coming week, so Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: February eleventh. So if you pre order it now, it

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Speaker 2: will just download automatically and show up wherever you get

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Speaker 2: your audio books the morning of its release. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's like eleven twelve bucks. I think it's a great deal.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna get your money's worth on content.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about the new new project.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy with it. I think it's great. It's uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's like no shortage of wild Mountain Men stories,

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Speaker 2: and we tried to cover as many as we could.

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Speaker 3: Would would you mind just promoting the book as if

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Speaker 3: you were an old mountain man in the same parlance

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Speaker 3: and verbiage.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, You know, for all the research that I did,

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Speaker 2: I didn't work on a character.

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Speaker 3: You've read a good jillion journal entries, though, so you

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Speaker 2: Guess, Hey, come on down and get the old Mountain

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Speaker 2: Man audiobook. I'm hungry, I'm tired before the spring, before

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Speaker 2: the spring thaw. It'll it'll keep you occupied in your

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Speaker 2: winter quarters before we go out and chase Bieber again

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Speaker 2: in the spring. Don't you know. That's just my Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: And we also thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thank the expert, so I can't argue with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're also going on a little mountain Men tour.

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Speaker 2: Steve and I are heading out on the road and

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Speaker 2: we will be here in Bozeman at MSU on February eleventh.

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Speaker 2: We'll be at the University of Montana in Missoula on

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Speaker 2: February twentieth, and we will be at the University of

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Speaker 2: Wyoming and Laramie on the twenty sixth of February. That

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Speaker 2: is the only evening where there are still seats left.

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Speaker 2: The other two are sold out. So if you got

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Speaker 2: your seats reserved, we look forward to seeing you and

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Speaker 2: talking mountain men and talking history. And if you're in

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Speaker 2: the greater Laramie area where you feel like making a

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Speaker 2: little road trip, you can still go on the.

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Speaker 1: Me's not far from Denver.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, we're actually flying into Denver. Yeah, avoid

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Speaker 2: that long drive down.

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Speaker 3: So my little sister pick you up. That'd be rightly

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Speaker 3: plastic seats in the back of the cop car. It's

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Speaker 2: Oh, that would be the longest ride I've Yeah, probably

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Speaker 3: What I like about it is I was very excited

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Speaker 3: to make eye contact with other motorists. You know, during

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Speaker 3: Denver traffic doesn't happen. Nobody looks at you. Oh, but

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Speaker 3: it's a fun game. Maybe weren't making enough of a scene. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we got like a hundred seats left in Wyoming. I

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Speaker 3: think we we have like a space that holds eleven hundred,

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Speaker 3: and we got one hundred left. So if you like

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Speaker 3: make an old drive and learning about the mountain men,

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Speaker 2: Y're honest. I understand you have a announcement you like

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just saw that too, and I wasn't quite prepared.

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Speaker 1: But it's a bummer to have to give this announcement.

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Speaker 1: But it's in regards to the seven hunters that were

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Speaker 1: Clay did a trip. Steve was going to missed one.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we did our three media experiences over there,

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Speaker 1: prayers go out to everybody involved and associated with them.

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Speaker 1: But if you'd like to help out the families that

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Speaker 1: GoFundMe page that is I think the title is help

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Speaker 1: Southern Maryland Families after Flight five three four to two crash.

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Speaker 1: They've already raised This is awesome. They've raised two hundred

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Speaker 1: was two hundred thousand dollars, so awesome. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: everybody's donated so far. If you wish to help them out,

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Speaker 1: you can. And there's another way you can help them out.

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Speaker 1: There's a all inclusive three day goose hunt at Foul

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Speaker 1: Planes that they're putting on. Southern Oak Kennels is involved.

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Speaker 1: I believe you get some puppy training along with this.

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Speaker 1: They've sold nine hundred and seventy of the tickets. There's

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Speaker 1: nine days still remaining to buy tickets. It's like a

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Speaker 1: raffle deal, I'm guessing. So if you wish to help

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Speaker 2: With that and cal It seems we also have announcements

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Speaker 2: from you, Oh, you have some fun events coming.

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Speaker 3: I'm coming real quick. If anybody's planning on heading over,

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Speaker 3: or if you're not planning on heading over, but you're

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Speaker 3: in that big Nashville area during the National Wild Turkey

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Speaker 3: Federation get together, we are going to host, in conjunction

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Speaker 3: with NWTF Friday Night, a big series of giveaways. It's

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Speaker 3: like an after party to the big banquet that they have.

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Speaker 3: the door, raffing off a bunch of really great prize

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Speaker 3: playing music. Spencer Newhart and Clay Newcomb are gonna put

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Speaker 3: some live trivia for everybody. We're gonna help MC And

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Speaker 3: one of the big draws is if you've never got

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Speaker 3: a Gould's Turkey, you can put your name in the

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Speaker 3: hat for Gould's Turkey Hunt. Same with Miriam's easterns Rios,

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Speaker 3: you know, so it can help you complete your Turkey Slam.

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Speaker 3: help another super awesome habitat organization n WTF. So you

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Speaker 3: So you don't have to be a member to show up,

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Speaker 1: I'm going just so dan Isabelle shows me a picture

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Speaker 2: So if you're not in turkeys, there's also.

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Speaker 1: There's that I was supposed to be playing music. I

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Speaker 1: of Luke Coolm's promo Horn Hunting, they were both there

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Speaker 1: and uh Reid sang a little bit for me, like

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Speaker 1: Just I don't know one of his songs that he

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Speaker 1: he it was not a love song. I don't believe.

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Speaker 1: It was just a country song, but beautiful voice. And

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Speaker 1: so I'm really happy to see that he's back in

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Speaker 1: some music for us.

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Speaker 3: So in your average country songs like three and a

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Speaker 3: So if you want to have the buck conversation, you're

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Speaker 2: Good drop, and then the night after the big party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you can't make it to Nashville to hang out,

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Speaker 3: Party for public Lands. Utah BHA is doing the heavy

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Speaker 1: Yep. Come show me a picture of your big buck.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me, bigs, dear buck, make it, make

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Speaker 1: Show and tell you say please Manie the show out.

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Speaker 3: Mane Shot.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're missing out, cal Man show.

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Speaker 2: But there was a moment in time when Cad and

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Speaker 1: Oh right, that was exciting.

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Speaker 2: And that's probably the closest I've ever come to having

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Speaker 1: It was close.

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Speaker 2: And Cal had a couple other close encounters with deer

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I did have a buck and dough

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cute little deer. Lots of stories, lots of fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: We went to a walk. Yeah, but made it up

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Speaker 2: One of his sides, the picture doesn't really capture it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So that was that was super awesome.

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Speaker 1: And uh man, sweet shooting gun.

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Speaker 2: Very cool.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with everybody, like we're not hiking

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Speaker 3: You got to get someplace high and see a ton

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Speaker 1: I'm jealous of yours. Mine was shooting good, but yours

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, not with a ton of bags and stuff, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: Here we have a photo of Seth's buck.

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Speaker 1: What is that weird photo?

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Speaker 6: Well, Phil, you.

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Speaker 2: Click to the artist.

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Speaker 1: That's any photo?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, picture boy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So my I don't know how many days into

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Speaker 1: Day after my day after years.

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Speaker 2: So whatever nonspecific answer I gave for that, just add one.

441
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: And Randall's buck plus one.

442
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 5: So this so we're pretty sure that you guys saw

443
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 5: this buck the day before, but got a quick little

444
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 5: glamp glimpse of it and it disappeared, like who's deer do?

445
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 5: Next morning, I found myself looking at the same hillside

446
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 5: and yeah, it just happened to pick this buck up

447
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 5: on the hillside. He kind of rolled over the ridge

448
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 5: with a smaller buck, and then he betted down in

449
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 5: the wide open and I was like, oh, this is perfect,

450
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 5: Just gonna go down there. I was like eight hundred

451
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 5: in some yards at this point. I was like, I'm

452
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 5: just gonna run down there and kill him. Well, I

453
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 5: go down there and can't find him. He's like, Kay,

454
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 5: our one guy that we're with, he was watching him

455
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 5: the whole time while I I was like making a

456
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 5: move on him, and he's like, hey, he's still still there,

457
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 5: but where like where I was, you just couldn't see

458
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 5: him on the hillside. So I kind of moved around

459
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 5: and ended up like getting on this little knob at

460
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 5: the base of the hill and just sitting there waiting

461
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 5: for him to move. And then he did get up

462
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 5: and move, and then Caid lost him, and we just

463
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 5: like lost this buck, and I was kind of getting

464
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 5: ready to just give up and go look for a

465
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 5: different buck because I thought he like just got out

466
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 5: of there without a scene, and Cad ended up finding

467
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 5: him again. And it turns out that I had ended

468
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 5: up about one hundred and twenty yards from this buck,

469
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 5: not knowing it. So I actually had to pick all

470
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 5: my stuff up and like very quietly backtrack and go

471
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 5: from about one hundred and twenty yards to three hundred

472
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 5: yards where I ended up shooting him, just so I

473
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 5: coud get a shot at him because where I was

474
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 5: sitting I couldn't see him. So yeah, it was kind

475
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 5: of a bit of a screen amble to get there,

476
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 5: set up on a tripod, and uh, the Restless History

477
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 5: shot him at three hundred and ten yards.

478
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 2: Lovely, lovely. Yeah, we got some some photos here from

479
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: seth Oh.

480
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's Randall putting his boots on in Mooying.

481
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: I Uh.

482
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 5: The photos I shared here were not much of the hunt,

483
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 5: just because we were kind of playing with a bunch

484
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 5: of unreleased SIG products that I had a bunch of

485
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 5: photos of, so I couldn't really.

486
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: Share those yet.

487
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 5: By the fireplace, Yeah, it's just just kind of our

488
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 5: environment down there, what we experienced some some quite a

489
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 5: few of those authentic Mexican food.

490
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 6: We've had a few questions about the taste difference between

491
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 6: cows deer and white tail up here. Is there any

492
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 6: anything noticeable there.

493
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 3: I've been eating cows deer NonStop since since we've gotten back,

494
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 3: and it's fantastic. Just I mean, so you're aware a

495
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: lot of cowboys on the ranch, uh, and they absolutely

496
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: love the this meat.

497
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: Uh.

498
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: It's highly sought after, so we typically do give some

499
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 3: meat away. We ate a whole ham while we were

500
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: down there, which is great. And then yeah, I took

501
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 3: the loins tender loins and and parted out the front

502
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: shoulders and took those home and then gave give the

503
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: rest to the to the kaby eros on the place,

504
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 3: and Uh, it's good, it's really good. I think it's

505
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: very tender. Uh, super awesome.

506
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: There.

507
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: I got a little tub of front leg curry down

508
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: there that is fantastic and eating you know, several little

509
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: backstraped steaks and they're they're awesome, really good, really good.

510
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: Is it distinct from the rest of your North American

511
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: white tails? I think you're gonna have, like like, these

512
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: are non GMO white tails, right, They're not getting anywhere

513
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: near corn, soybeans, et cetera. So I think there's gonna

514
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 3: be a different flavor to to this deer versus like

515
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: your your Iowa corn patch deer.

516
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 6: And we have a question for Yannis. Let me see

517
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 6: if I can find it here. Okay, this is from

518
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 6: Attack the d Point, he says. So I heard that

519
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 6: Yanni's eight eleven burritos one day on the Mexico trip.

520
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 6: Is this true?

521
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: Yes? Am, I even gotten to twelve the next day.

522
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 7: Uh.

523
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: They're small burritos, though, they're not like the one burrito

524
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: you buy for ten dollars for lunch and it fills

525
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: you up. These are depending on bite size, you know,

526
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: three to four bite burritos.

527
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: Would you say I made some made you made?

528
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: You made some greeno of burritos. So did I. So

529
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: that day that I set this record that stands at

530
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: that ranch. I think for breakfast, I had two or

531
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: three big gringo breakfast burritos. Then I had five.

532
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: For lunch, I.

533
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: Think I had eight. Oh, I had my four, plus

534
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: I brought four more from the guy that wasn't eating

535
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: his burritos. But I get you away to you right, yeah? Yeah,

536
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: So what does that bring me up to? That's nine?

537
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: And I think I had two or three at dinner.

538
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you had a you had just one.

539
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: You had a dessert burrito too, yeah.

540
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: Straight, yeah, that's how I like my dessert.

541
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: Down there, all the meals, all the meals were the

542
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: exact same except for the protein. Like breakfast and dinner

543
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: and lunch were tortillas, uh, tortillas, free hols, cheese, some

544
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: hot sauce or salsa, and then a big pot of

545
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: either eggs or bo or. I think there's beef one night,

546
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: there's pork one night.

547
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: I mean it was in Sonora. No matter what, there's

548
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: going to be a pot of free holdays at every

549
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: meal and it's the.

550
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: Same pot of free holdays. It just gets added to

551
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: throughout the week. Delicio, very delicio.

552
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: So the refried beans I like to point out too,

553
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: it's more like gravy consistency. Well here, I feel like

554
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: you get refried beans on your plate and it's it's

555
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: a lot drier, there's more consistent, more like a mashed potato. Yeah.

556
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can eat it with a fork.

557
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: You could down there. Those beans you can't eat with

558
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: a fork. You have to have a spoon.

559
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic, Phil. We got a couple of the other

560
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: thing we did on this trip was Jannie, you're testing

561
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: some some materials on some breeches. I didn't get that video,

562
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: but we have some other we have that I couldn't

563
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: find it, But we do have some other videos here

564
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: of some oh yeah, yeah, sure, product testing and promo.

565
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean in the spirit of the Super Bowl

566
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 6: coming up. You know one thing everyone talks about the commercials. Yeah,

567
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 6: and First Light actually commissioned you guys to shoot some

568
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 6: stuff just for I think they're gonna do a big

569
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 6: ad blitz inspired. Yeah, let's take a look at these here.

570
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: Can you render your.

571
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: Can you rein gear? Do this?

572
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: Can I do this omen storm shelter.

573
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: Huh.

574
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 6: Yep, that was a good That was a good use

575
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 6: of money from First Lights. There's a few more we

576
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 6: didn't get paid.

577
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: I'll give that one like a five. Okay, how about

578
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: this one?

579
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: Need some tough brush busting pants, but you don't want

580
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: to lose all your mobility saw buck pants by First

581
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: Light Yep, okay, we're improving.

582
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: Who directed that one?

583
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 2: We need a warm hat that will also protect your

584
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: dough when you're moving through brush. Ah whatever hat this is.

585
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: Okay?

586
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: And then this one is is uh. Shows sort of

587
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: the adaptability of some of the First Light line here

588
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: do you want to look good on the streets but

589
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: still need to be active? First Light throughweight pants. Wow,

590
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: that was a trip back from the old McDonald's there

591
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: first stop once we hit free soil mm hmm.

592
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a mediator tradition. When you get back to America,

593
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: we like to go to make to the Golden Arches

594
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: to celebrate freedom. The first First Light doesn't know that

595
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: we made those.

596
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 6: No, No, I'm sure you'll thrilled.

597
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: Now my phone ring watch out for those. When you're

598
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: watching the Super Bowl. You might be able to vote

599
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: on your favorite. Phil like the High Kick, one of

600
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: the best that really shows off you're Oh, I like

601
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: the Urban parkour.

602
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish we'd gotten the first one when we're

603
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: going to McDonald's and I fell off that wall and

604
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: did a somersault unintentionally.

605
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 6: We've got We've got a bunch of people saying who

606
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 6: Randa looks like in those videos. We've got John Wilkes booth.

607
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 6: That's a good one.

608
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: I've got three words for you there, six semper taranna.

609
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 7: They're all.

610
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 6: We've got. You know, Doc from Back to the Future.

611
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 6: I think we've heard that one before. Dwight, Dwight shrewd.

612
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 6: I think that's kind of rude.

613
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: M hm vibes, though not appearance, just vibes.

614
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 6: His hair looks like Bill, Bill Murray and Kingpin.

615
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: We've got but that fella and that fella says I

616
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: got to get those pants.

617
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 6: So yeah, it works.

618
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: Success.

619
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 6: You're welcome first light.

620
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: Oh that's good stuff. That's good stuff. Do we have

621
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: anything else to share from our trip or should we

622
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: move on to our guest?

623
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: I will say, you know you've heard the buzz. We've

624
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: all heard the buzz about the sig Zulu six binoculars.

625
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: The image stabilized this trip like hands down made it

626
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: made me a believer of that binocular. It blew the

627
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: first five out of seven days. I'd say, what average

628
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: the wind. The wind blew, not the binocular, twenty twenty

629
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: miles an hour with gusts well into the thirties all

630
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: day long. It wasn't until the last two days where

631
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: we had like a nice sonor in morning where it

632
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: was quiet and just and just clear and you could

633
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: get sun burned. The rest of the days it was

634
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: just honking. And those imag stabilized binoculars mean the difference

635
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: between that and non on a tripod now not just

636
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: hand holding, but on a tripod regular bindo is still

637
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: shaking the you know, the image is shaky. You're trying

638
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: to find a deer that's eighty to one hundred pounds,

639
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: very hard. Image stabilized seth, huge difference.

640
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: We heard coyotes yup in one day and Seth freehand

641
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: with the image stabilized binoculars, like, oh there they are

642
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: and he's like, no, no, no way out in that

643
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: flat and I ranged them at almost sixteen hundred yards.

644
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: Yep, that was what the twelves.

645
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty impressive.

646
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I ain't A twelve are my favorite?

647
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 5: These were, I you know, even though it was windy,

648
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 5: these fifteens, this is why I spotted my buck with

649
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 5: this exact pair. But these on a tripod, we're just phenomenal.

650
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, those little thing Yeah yeah.

651
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 6: All right, I think we've got a guest waiting for us.

652
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 2: Let's talk some more Mexico. Oh yeah, good, good friend,

653
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: Phil Kramer. Phil, welcome to the show. How are you?

654
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 8: I'm good, gentlemen, how about yourselves?

655
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: Oh well great, Well, we're a little sad that we're

656
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: not in Mexico hunting anymore, but we're slowly making our

657
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: way back to reality.

658
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 8: You go through that little depression when you first get home.

659
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 5: Yes, especially since it's been snowing NonStop since we've gotten home.

660
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 3: So those little deer i'd be able to see is

661
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: the top of the racks right now in Bo's angelus here?

662
00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Phil, we just had the pleasure of spending

663
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: a little over a week with you down south of

664
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: the border. But could you tell our audience a little

665
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: bit about who you are and what you do and

666
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: what your experience is.

667
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 8: Absolutely, but I must say I almost didn't recognize you

668
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 8: Rojo Grande with a haircut.

669
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: Oh thank you. You're the first person to mention it.

670
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: Everybody else has just sort of brushed it off. I

671
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: was really excited to abue the new do here. But

672
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: thank you, Phil, I appreciate that.

673
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 8: You bet you bet well. Guys, my name's Phil Kramer.

674
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 8: I live in Arizona, born and raised here, moved off

675
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 8: to a couple of different states throughout school and my career.

676
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 8: I grew up on the back of my dad in

677
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 8: a backpack run a trap line and that kind of

678
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 8: instilled a love for the outdoors and I've never been

679
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 8: able to shake it, and God willing, I'll have it

680
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 8: till the day I die. So with that being said,

681
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 8: I've always been in the outdoors. I've always hunted. I've

682
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 8: always found any excuse I could to get outside, and

683
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 8: that has kind of led me to Jay Scout Outdoors

684
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 8: and gold S Turkey Hut. And that was a combination

685
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 8: of timing with Jay looking to expand the business and

686
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 8: grow it, as well as me making a full time

687
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 8: career change. Prior to that, I worked in the drilling industry,

688
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 8: which fortunately left enough time for me to be in

689
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 8: the outdoors and chasing my passion when I wasn't on

690
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 8: a drill rig, so everything kind of worked together, and

691
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 8: now it's full time. I spend the majority of my

692
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 8: time down in Mexico looking at ranches, scouting new ranches,

693
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 8: going to some of our existing ranches, and making sure

694
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 8: everything's good there. And then as I got to do

695
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 8: with you gentlemen, I get the guide and that's when

696
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 8: the real fun happens, is getting to interact with you

697
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 8: guys and seeing what we can put on the ground

698
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 8: and battling the winds when it happens.

699
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: Yes, we did our fair share of that over the

700
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 2: past week or so. I don't know if you guys

701
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: have questions, but this was a first time trip to

702
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: Mexico for me and my first time hunting out of

703
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: the country. I wonder if you have just like a

704
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: few thoughts on for those who have never done this.

705
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: What if people need to know about Mexico and what

706
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: sort of what can they expect, because I think there's

707
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 2: a for I've talked to a lot of people since

708
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: I got back and said, oh man, that's always been

709
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: a bucket list trip for me, but it's a little

710
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: intimidating to leave the country and go hunting in a

711
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: place where you don't speak the language. So can you

712
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: just share a little bit about that, you bet?

713
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 8: And I think the first thing to remember is any

714
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 8: time you leave the country, you know, make sure you

715
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 8: have your passport, make sure you do your research, make

716
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 8: sure you're going with a trusted outfitter and or person

717
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 8: that knows the ins and outs of where you're going.

718
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 8: A lot of people are intimidated, and there's a lot

719
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 8: of stuff in the news that makes people think it's

720
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 8: not safe. However, this is my seventeenth year doing it.

721
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 8: I think it's jays twenty eighth or twenty ninth year,

722
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 8: and we're very fortunate that we've never had a bad experience.

723
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 8: We can say. There's a lot of things to that,

724
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 8: and the main thing is is we do our research,

725
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 8: We work with the local people, we make sure that

726
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 8: all of our PaperWorks in order, we work with licensed

727
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 8: Mexican outfitters to make sure that everything we're doing is

728
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 8: above board. We're not traveling to spots that are unsafe,

729
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 8: and we're doing everything right. So my first and foremost

730
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 8: advice to anyone looking into doing a trip like this

731
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 8: is make sure you go with a repudle outfitter, do

732
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 8: your research, get references. If they can't provide references, then

733
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 8: it's probably a red flag. But don't be afraid to

734
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 8: go because, as you guys saw, and most of you

735
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 8: guys have been down there quite a bit, it's a

736
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 8: trip of a lifetime. I mean, you get to experience

737
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 8: true Mexican culture, true authentic food, and best of all,

738
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 8: when you're out on those hills most of the time,

739
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 8: your phones don't ring, it you don't have cell service,

740
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 8: and you get back to the way life should be.

741
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: Amen. How would you compare this year's deer season? You're

742
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: you're back at home in Arizona. How would you compare

743
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: this year's dear season to those you've experienced previously in

744
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: terms of bucks and weather and all that. What are

745
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 2: your takeaways from your twenty twenty five season.

746
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 8: As you guys witness first hand, the weather was horrendous.

747
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 8: Normally you'll get a day or two of winds that

748
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 8: will gus twenty thirty miles an hour. For whatever reason,

749
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 8: this year, especially during your trip, the wind did not

750
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 8: let up. It never blew itself out at night. Every

751
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 8: morning we're agreeded with just a blast of air right

752
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 8: in your face, and that made it difficult. As you

753
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 8: guys mentioned, you're looking for a little animal and anytime

754
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 8: you have that wind, everything around you's moving, your optics

755
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 8: are moving, and it makes it difficult. The other thing

756
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 8: is cous dear or cows dear, depending on how you

757
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 8: say it is they're small animal and they hate the wind.

758
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 8: It dolls their senses. It makes it harder for them

759
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 8: to smell, predators to hear, so they don't move near

760
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 8: as much. And with the drought that we've been having

761
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 8: for the last two years and it made it double tough.

762
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 8: We were very fortunate. We were able to dig out

763
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 8: some really good bucks and a lot of our hunters

764
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 8: had experienced great success. And all I can say is

765
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 8: we're looking forward to some rain and some good moisture

766
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 8: and God willing the weather cooperating a little bit. But

767
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 8: one thing about it is, no matter what the weather is,

768
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 8: we can't do anything about it. Just go down and

769
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 8: hunt hard. And we're very fortunate that we have good properties,

770
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 8: good genetics, and we can scratch out some good dear.

771
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: Love it. Yeah, I mean, despite the weather, we were

772
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: out there in the dark in the morning and hunting

773
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 2: till dark in the evening, which is I think always

774
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: the mark of a great trip.

775
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 5: That one windy day, I think it was the second

776
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 5: to last day, or might have been the last day.

777
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 5: We watched that dough just standing there in the sun

778
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 5: for an hour and a half and not move. Yeah,

779
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 5: it's just when it's windy and cold like that, those

780
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 5: things you can just tell you just look at them

781
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 5: and they're like I just don't want to do anything.

782
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: And not a lot of body fat on them to

783
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: keep them warm.

784
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

785
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: Phil, we got a question for you, and I don't

786
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: mean to put you on the spot here, but yes,

787
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: you do. You know you talked about references from clients

788
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: and how important those are to check out. I was

789
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: wondering if you could provide some references for the four

790
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: Mediat crew members who had the pleasure of joining you.

791
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: If you just have a couple of words, you know,

792
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: reviewing your experience, you know, whatever comes to mind. We're

793
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: all here, we're all listening, we're all trying to improve

794
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 2: as hunters.

795
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: So why does Pete from SIG sour get a free out.

796
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: He's not here to defend himself.

797
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 2: I mean, we can talk whatever we want about Pete.

798
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: That's right, you got a word or two.

799
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: No, I don't, but I thought, you know if Phil did.

800
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Phil, what do you say? I can take any

801
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 2: order that you'd like to please.

802
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 8: Well, i'll tell you what, Randal, I'll start with Rojo

803
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 8: Grande aka wonder Boy. You know there's a lot of

804
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 8: names we got for you, but it was an absolute pleasure.

805
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 8: I was greatly surprised you told me first time coups hunter.

806
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 8: I go, oh boy, he's not gonna see it deer.

807
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 8: And I tell you what, Randall, you did very good.

808
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 8: I was very impressed with your glass and ability. Not

809
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 8: only that. You know, as I well as I do.

810
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 8: A lot of times we'll spot something and then trying

811
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 8: to walk someone else in on that same animal, so

812
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 8: you know you're looking at the same spot can be

813
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 8: very difficult. But you and I, for whatever reason, seemed

814
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 8: to click on that we were able to find the deer,

815
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 8: get each other in the same perspective, and evaluate the deer. So, Randall,

816
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 8: I gotta give you props man that that was impressive.

817
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: I appreciate that it always seeks a dare two to

818
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: like you get your lingo on the same page. You

819
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 2: know what somebody calls a knob and what somebody calls

820
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: you know this or that? So yeah, I feel like

821
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: we became simpatico is that in our in our glassing?

822
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: Uh?

823
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 2: Lingo, you bet? You bet?

824
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 8: And Seth is just calm, like I had to ask

825
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 8: him two or three times, Seth, you okay.

826
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 5: You.

827
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 8: Never heard anything just in the game, you know, yeah,

828
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 8: just quiet, like just going with the flow. And I

829
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 8: was like, oh, that's still here. I never knew he

830
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 8: was around until it was go time and time to shoot.

831
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 8: So uh, really enjoyable, aw awesome, awesome, awesome. I didn't

832
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 8: get to hunt much with col but we talked a

833
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 8: lot on the radio because normally we were not on

834
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 8: the same page. We could not figure out where each

835
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 8: other was looking. I didn't know there were two mountains

836
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 8: at one time. But as a pleasure, we got to

837
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 8: spent a lot of time together in camp and I

838
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 8: learned a lot, very interesting in a wealth of knowledge

839
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 8: that I never knew existed. There was a lot of fun.

840
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 8: Uh and then Yannie, I mean, we we hunted together

841
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 8: just about it day because we're the only stubborn fools

842
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 8: that doesn't think one hundred and five inch bucks a

843
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 8: big enough buck. So we got to spend a lot

844
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 8: of time together, a lot of laughs, a lot of knowledge,

845
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 8: going back and forth. He constantly proved me wrong on

846
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 8: things that I thought I knew was a holy grail,

847
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 8: to the point where videos he's like, Phil, you were wrong.

848
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 6: Again.

849
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: Well, you know you're talking about how it's so important

850
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: to have the same nomenclature right when you're out there hunting,

851
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: because you are communicating with each other through radios to

852
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: be like, hey, are you looking at this century plant

853
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: or this akat or whatever, and so it's very important

854
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: to know which ones. And we had I had I

855
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: think last year a couple of years ago, through that

856
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: picture of this app figured out which ones were the

857
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: century plants. Well, it turns out it's the ones that

858
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: we also call a gave. It's one of the same.

859
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: It's just that every whatever, seventy five or one hundred years,

860
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: they shoot out that stock and it has the flowers

861
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: and all that. And then Phil was like, yeah, but

862
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: it's all that purple one that has the skinnier leaves.

863
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, that's great. I'm glad I learned that.

864
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: And then the next day I'm walking around, I'm like, well,

865
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: hold on, that one with the fat leaves also has

866
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: a stock coming out of it. So yeah, but again

867
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: it's I'm not trying to prove anybody right or wrong,

868
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: but it's just so that all of us can be

869
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: on the same page next time. And you're like, yeah,

870
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: you see that sentry plant. Yeah, that's where that buck is.

871
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

872
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: Word of advice for first time Kuzdiar hunters. If you

873
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: don't know anything about plants, there aren't a whole lot

874
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: of other landmarks out there to like direct people in

875
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: a lot of those hillsides are pretty.

876
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta know your sphoring floor.

877
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very uniform. And so it's like below the yucku,

878
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: above the red oak, there's a dead juniper, and then

879
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 2: there's a dead oak. And it's just like, unless you're

880
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: dialed in on what you're looking at, you're gonna be

881
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: your head's gonna be spinning.

882
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, you spend a lot of time down there trying

883
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 5: to tell people landmarks that like will walk someone into

884
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 5: a deer, And when everything looks the same, it's tough

885
00:46:59,600 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 5: to do that.

886
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you're saying, like there's three there's three yukas.

887
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 2: Two of them are a little higher. The third ones

888
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: offset a little bit to the right. Below that is

889
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: a red oak, you know, And it's just like you

890
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: got to be able to recognize that stuff and not

891
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 2: scratch your head because otherwise everybody else can be looking

892
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: at that deer and you're gonna be looking at the

893
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 2: wrong mountain. Sometimes you end up looking at the wrong

894
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: mountain anyway, right cow.

895
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 3: And working really hard at it.

896
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that people folks are wondering too, why we

897
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: all went and guided this year with you know, Jay

898
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: Scott's crew and Phil and Kate, And if you are,

899
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: I'll try to explain it quickly. The logistics of going

900
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: to do it, d I y. You have to have

901
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 1: your own bring down your own truck, own trailer, owned

902
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: side by side. Steve and I have hunted down there

903
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: with outside by sides. It's doable. I don't know if

904
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: you've ever done one with that side by side with us, Yeah, yeah,

905
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: you've done one. Two. A lot of hiking. You're just

906
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: not covering the amount of ground that you wish you

907
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: could be covering, So there's just much less it's less

908
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: efficient hunting. In years past we've paid people to drive,

909
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: you know, trucks and side by sides from Montana. We've

910
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: had friends come from Colorado and bring side by sides

911
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: to make it easier to cover all those logistics and

912
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: it you know, for those of you that haven't experienced

913
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: the other you won't know. But for me, being the

914
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: guy that's usually worried about all that, it was really

915
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: nice just to land in Arizona, meet up with these guys,

916
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: and boom across the border. You know, next thing you know,

917
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: we're sighting our rifles and then we're hunting, you know,

918
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: And they took care of all that that aside. It

919
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: was awesome for me to go to hang out with

920
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,959
Speaker 1: a couple of real coups deer guides for a week.

921
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: It was a real confidence booster for me to know that, yes,

922
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: they definitely did glass up more deer than I did,

923
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: but not by the ratio that I thought they would.

924
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: So I'm feeling like I'm ready to go coups deer

925
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: hunting again, and I'm confident that I can find a

926
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: couple here.

927
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 6: Yeah.

928
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: No, it was a great trip, and I think like

929
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: part of it too, is just having someone with the

930
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: amount of experience that Phil does telling you what what

931
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: cous do you like, what they don't like, what you've

932
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: seen him do, I mean, and like predicting what they're

933
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: going to do, which is something that like, even if

934
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 2: you've been down there a couple of times, you don't

935
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: have that depth of knowledge.

936
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 8: So well and just sheer eyes on the mountain, you know,

937
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 8: guys helping your glass because a lot of times you'll

938
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 8: get up on your glassing point and it's almost overwhelming.

939
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 8: And when you can share that with other people that

940
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 8: you know are putting in the work and they're able

941
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 8: to find animals, it helps a lot. But one thing

942
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 8: I was going to say on the little review there,

943
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 8: I will say, honest doesn't quit. I mean on the

944
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 8: last night till I was like it's dark, we're done

945
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 8: you Honest was like, I think I got five more

946
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 8: minutes left. No quit. It was just a great time.

947
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like to hunt, and you know, so I

948
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: like to hunt right until the end.

949
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 8: Make sure you're on the same page with identification of

950
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 8: the plant. So we did a little I don't know,

951
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 8: show and tell basically as you say, when we were

952
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 8: on there and getting ready to cite the guns in

953
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 8: it's like Okay, this is juniper. That's a red oat. Yeah,

954
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 8: that's a central plant. That's a yuka, that's a mesquite,

955
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 8: that's an ocatillo. So that way, when it came down

956
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 8: to the nitty gritty, when it was time to find

957
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 8: some deer, we were all on the same page. And

958
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 8: I think that went a long way through the week

959
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 8: we spent together.

960
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's great.

961
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: And uh, I gotta say, like, even when your butt

962
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: cheeked a butt cheek on the mountain, you cannot take

963
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 3: your eyeballs off a deer. So oh yeah, even if

964
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 3: it's a whisper not over radio to the person next

965
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 3: to you, like, you have got to walk them in.

966
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: And sometimes the deer that you're seeing it's because it

967
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 3: is only because they moved, and it takes a long

968
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: time for the person right next to you in the

969
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 3: exact same spot to stare at that spot and be like, oh, yep,

970
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 3: that weird shadow line is part of a deer's butt

971
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: cheek laying down underneath and behind whatever. So that communication

972
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 3: can get really frustrating. So once you lock in, it's

973
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: an incredible benefit.

974
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: Yep. For sure, Phil really appreciate your time and really

975
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: appreciate your hospitality last week. I know I speak for

976
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 2: all of us when we had a tremendous experience, and

977
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 2: I hope we can hunt again very soon.

978
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but before Phil goes, are there any listener questions

979
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: or questions?

980
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: Also, Phil, I want you to talk about the Google

981
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 3: hunt that you're donating for NWTF.

982
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 8: Absolutely absolutely so. As I mentioned, also director of operations

983
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 8: for Gould's Turkey Hunt, and we run a approximately two

984
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 8: hundred and fifty UH hunters down through Mexico and Sonora

985
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 8: and Chihua wherever year after chasing the Gold's turkey. So

986
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 8: what we did is actually were approached and donated a

987
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 8: Goulds turkey hunt that you'll get to come down and

988
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 8: hunt with us either in Sonora or Chihuahua and hopefully

989
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 8: knocked out Gould's turkey. It off your bucket list and

990
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 8: go one step further to your Royal Slam or World Slam,

991
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 8: whichever it might be.

992
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you honest, we did have one question for

993
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 6: Phil that someone actually someone else in the chat already answered,

994
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 6: and I'm assuming Danach or someone asked what the Boon

995
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 6: and Crockett minimum was for Cow's deer, and Lance answered

996
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 6: one hundred inch for typical, one five for non typical.

997
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 6: If that's that's accurate, Phil, I don't know if you're

998
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 6: if you if you know or not?

999
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure not.

1000
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 8: I believe it's one ten actually for a typical. But honestly,

1001
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 8: there's some deer that we kill that just score doesn't

1002
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 8: do justice. You know, we we try not. We use

1003
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 8: score as a descriptive tool, right because that's what everyone

1004
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 8: wants to get and gives us a good tool to

1005
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 8: actually measure. However, there's some deer that we kill that

1006
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 8: score just doesn't do justice. Even though it might be

1007
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 8: one sixteen, that buck should be one hundred and thirty

1008
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 8: just depending on where the mass measurements lie. And you know,

1009
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 8: the blading just like Col's buck out at the end

1010
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 8: of the beams, I mean broomstick and just didn't get

1011
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 8: credit for it except for the one measurement. So I

1012
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 8: believe it's one ten though for book minimum.

1013
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: Fantastic, Well Phil, again, pleasure seeing you, and maybe we'll

1014
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 2: run into each other at the Hunt Expo next week.

1015
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 8: Well, Jan I'll definitely be at the NWTF, so anyone

1016
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 8: out there can look us up. I'm sure I'll run

1017
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 8: into Janni and Cal out there, and I'm not sure

1018
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 8: about the hunt expo, but if we can get out there,

1019
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 8: definitely look forward to running into you guys.

1020
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 3: And your hunt is being auctioned Saturday night or Friday.

1021
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 8: Night, Saturday night at at the Dinner, Yes, sir?

1022
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: Cool?

1023
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think I think you can bid on

1024
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 3: those online as well. So if you want to go

1025
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: on a Killer Gould Turkey hunt and support an awesome

1026
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 3: habitat organization, check check that one out.

1027
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 2: All right, thank you Phil, Thanks Phil, good to se

1028
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Uh Phil, should we take listener feedback now?

1029
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: Or should we? Uh?

1030
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: Should we? We've done a.

1031
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 6: Couple, I'll fire off a couple and then we'll move

1032
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 6: on to Jim, who's being very very.

1033
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: Very patient with us.

1034
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 6: Yes, thank you, Jim Finger.

1035
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: Jim's got nothing better to do.

1036
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 6: Devin asked, Hey, Seth, how's it going? Just curious who

1037
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 6: ended up with that sweet Alluma craft boat. You and

1038
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 6: Chester did the Walleye fishing tour in if you if

1039
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 6: you remember.

1040
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I still have it. Who ended up with it?

1041
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 3: Uh?

1042
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1043
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 5: Still use it all summer long. Love that boat. Put

1044
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 5: a lot of fish in that boat. Yeah, I'm gonna

1045
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 5: use it again this summer right.

1046
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 6: On Leland is asking Randall, did you come across any

1047
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 6: mountain women in your research.

1048
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: That's a good question. So during the air of the

1049
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: mountain men question, there weren't a ton of uh, like

1050
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: Euro American women who came out with the trapping brigades.

1051
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 2: But interestingly enough, a lot of mountain men married into

1052
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: tribes and had relationships with indigenous women, and that was

1053
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: like a huge part of mountain men culture. Like a

1054
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: very significant percentage of all mountain men marriages were two

1055
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: Indigenous women, and I think Bridger was married to three

1056
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 2: different Indigenous women. So in the book, we have a

1057
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: chapter about of all the different facets of mountain men

1058
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: tribal relations, and in that chapter we do get into

1059
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: sort of the unique history of mountain men marrying Native women.

1060
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: And we also have a segment of the wife of

1061
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: a missionary who attended rendezvous and was horrified at the

1062
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 2: behavior that she witnessed. So, yeah, look forward to that.

1063
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 6: Great a question for Seth, how did you find your

1064
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 6: place in Alaska? Was it a Zillo thing or just

1065
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 6: word of mouth?

1066
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 5: I was up at Steve's place one summer just for

1067
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 5: vacation and it's right next door to his and there

1068
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 5: was a for sale sign on the front porch.

1069
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 2: Good old fashioned way, Yeah, yeah, hippie homebrew.

1070
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 6: This is kind of a general question, but it's dumping

1071
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 6: in Wisconsin. He says, while he's stuck inside, what's the

1072
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 6: best way to get out and start prepping shooting lanes

1073
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 6: during the winter? Anything to do during the spring. I mean,

1074
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 6: he's just asking about prepping shooting lines during every season

1075
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 6: of the year. But you can if there's any think

1076
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 6: you can get a head start on when it's during

1077
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 6: the winter. I don't know if you guys have any.

1078
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 2: General winter land management principles for a Wisconsin landowner. I

1079
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 2: think we have someone who could speak to that.

1080
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: Is he asking specifically about shooting lanes.

1081
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 6: I mean this I was directing this at at U

1082
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 6: Janni's just about when Yeah, Randall summed it up, well, what.

1083
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: Are you doing? What are you doing with your proble?

1084
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: What are you thinking about right now? With your with

1085
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: your response?

1086
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: Man, what am I not thinking about? But I mean,

1087
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: I guess to answer the shooting lane question, I mean,

1088
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 1: I don't think it'd be really much different in any

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00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: season other than your leave. You know, coverage might be different.

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00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: So the winter is a great time to do it

1091
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: because it's gonna it looks most like what it looks

1092
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: like in November now versus you know once that you

1093
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: get new leaves coming out. But yeah, just get out

1094
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: there with a chainsaw man and go to town.

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00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

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00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: But you know, if I could get to with constant

1097
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: any time I wanted to, I'd probably be thinking about

1098
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: maybe doing some frost seeding if there was anything. You know,

1099
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to do a big like native grass

1100
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: and for restoration, and we'll be applying it through just

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00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: frost seeding, which is basically means that you're going to

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00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: add it when there is some snow on the ground

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00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: and then let the freeze thaw cycle bring those seeds

1104
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: into the ground versus trying to plant them. There's that

1105
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, herbicide. There's probably not much it's really gonna

1106
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: do well because the folier applications won't work because there

1107
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: is no foliage and I don't think that the plants

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00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: are really still sedessing, so they're not really going to

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: bring in much herb beside. So that's probably out. But

1110
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: TSI timber stand improvement, which is basically walking through the

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00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: woods with a chainsaw and knocking down trees that you

1112
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: have deemed that aren't you know, worthwhile for the wildlife

1113
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: in your area. Uh, that's probably that's like an every

1114
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: day of the year thing.

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00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, this time of year puts a lot of

1116
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 5: buds on the ground for deer to like.

1117
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 6: That's right, if you need to knock down some trees.

1118
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: Homework Hebrew, they are.

1119
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 6: All right, let's get Jim have hefflefinger in here. How

1120
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 6: about that?

1121
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: Let's do please.

1122
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 2: Jay, guys, thank you for your patience.

1123
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: Jim probably has a thought on what you might do

1124
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: this time of the year in Wisconsin for to improve.

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00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 7: Dear, I'm going to be there in a couple of weeks.

1126
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 7: In My suggestion is spotted Calum bloody murrays and find

1127
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 7: it a nice.

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00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 3: Tab for some deep thinking.

1129
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, right, for thinking about what you might do

1130
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 7: with your land. Yeah, I have I have your randall.

1131
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 7: If you're interested in Gools turkey restoration Southeastern area, I

1132
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 7: want to go to Jay Scott's podcast and find the

1133
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 7: podcast where I talked about bringing Gools turkeys back to

1134
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 7: the US from restoring the populations.

1135
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: Excellent, there you go, Excellent, there you go. Uh, Jim

1136
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: as a first time Cou's deer hunter. Uh, speaking for myself,

1137
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: you know, this is an animal that you hear a

1138
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: lot about and for someone living in the in the

1139
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: Northern Rockies, it's kind of this far away exotic creature.

1140
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: Can you just tell, uh, tell our listeners a little

1141
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: bit about COO's deer. Uh, like the differences between whitetail

1142
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 2: and Cou's deer, and maybe what how KU's deer are

1143
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: doing little State of the India.

1144
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 5: Jim, real quick before you do that. Coos or cows.

1145
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 5: We've heard it both ways so far. Now Jim's Jim's

1146
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 5: the main I know.

1147
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: I know. That's why I talked.

1148
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 7: I have I have an article I wonder if you

1149
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 7: can link that in the show notes where I talk

1150
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 7: in detail about the subspecies is named after Elliott Cows,

1151
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 7: really naturalist and army surgeon, and that was his name,

1152
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 7: and it was named after him. So it's it's Cow's dere.

1153
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 7: There's no doubt that it's Cow's deer. Elliott in a

1154
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 7: footnote and one of you is a bird guy and

1155
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 7: one of his bird Maggot, one of his bird articles.

1156
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 7: He wrote a footnote and said my name is pronounced

1157
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 7: cow z. I mean he actually tells us himself how

1158
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 7: it was pronounced, so there's no question how I was pronouncing.

1159
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 7: I try not to be at a denunciation nazi, and

1160
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 7: I don't correct anybody, but you know that's how it's pronounced,

1161
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:14,919
Speaker 7: So that's how I pronounce it.

1162
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: Do you feel like cows is gaining any traction whatsoever

1163
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: in your neck of the woods.

1164
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 7: I would say there's probably an increase in one percent

1165
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 7: in the last decade the people using cows instead of coups.

1166
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: Okay somewhere that's it counts as forward movement. Yeah.

1167
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 7: In fact, what I'm surprised at is the residence that

1168
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 7: people dig their heels in and they get angry about

1169
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 7: how you pronounced the deer, and I'm just pointing out

1170
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 7: the correct way. You can say it any way you want.

1171
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: Well, Jim, what so if you're explaining to someone what

1172
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: the no matter what you call it, what these things are?

1173
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 5: Uh?

1174
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: What are some of your main takeaways as far as uh,

1175
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: differentiating a coups deer cow's deer from your average white tail.

1176
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 7: So there are subspecies of white tail deer, They're not

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01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 7: some different kind of white tail they're just like there's

1178
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 7: there're about thirty eight subspecies of white tail in North

1179
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 7: and South America. They're just another one. But they are different.

1180
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 7: And we'll look in a minute. Here's a South Texas

1181
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 7: white tail, much bigger, of course, and if we put

1182
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 7: a cow's white tail next to it, you can see

1183
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 7: the difference. Not okay, not really, not really, here's here's

1184
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 7: a So there's a comparison of the skulls of a

1185
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 7: cow's white tail versus the Texas white tail. So think

1186
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 7: about this. This isn't even just a big borealis Minnesota,

1187
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 7: Wisconsin whitetail. This is from South Texas. So just like

1188
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 7: another kind of a Southwestern white tail, but dramatically dramatically

1189
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 7: different in.

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01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 3: But you found a real nice cows deer skull to

1191
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 3: show off.

1192
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 7: Yes, this is about one hundred and seven. So you

1193
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 7: were talking about minimum score. It is one hundred and ten,

1194
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 7: so that doesn't make it. But that's pretty close to

1195
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 7: minimum Crockett score. And in a couple of years of

1196
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 7: each other. I mean, they're they're not dramatically different in age,

1197
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 7: so it's a valid comparison, especially of skull because they're

1198
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 7: they're adult adult. There phil If you can put that

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01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 7: map up, let's look at where cows deer are distributed

1200
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 7: in the southwest. Just the map from my book Deer

1201
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 7: to the Southwest, and that red is colored what we

1202
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 7: call cow's whitetail distribution. So you can see that it

1203
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 7: doesn't touch any other kinds of white tails out species

1204
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 7: on the west or the north. There's no white tails

1205
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 7: in northern Arizona, and northern New Mexico doesn't touch any

1206
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 7: white tails on the east because of the Chuahuan Desert.

1207
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 7: It's a big grassland and there's not really white tails

1208
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 7: out there until you get over into the Carbon Mountain

1209
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 7: white tail in West Texas and then the Texas white tail,

1210
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 7: and so there's a physical separation on three sides. Now,

1211
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 7: if you go south into Mexico, the cow's white tail

1212
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 7: just blends into all those other smaller white tails. In

1213
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 7: South Texas. There's a whole bunch of Mexican subspecies of

1214
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 7: white tail. None of them are scientifically valid or scientifically

1215
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 7: supported by real physical differences or genetic differences. When you

1216
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 7: look at the genetics of all those Mexican sub species,

1217
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 7: they just kind of overlap in a kind of a

1218
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 7: scattering and we did early on about fifteen years ago.

1219
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 7: I worked with funding from Bonaicrocket Club, worked with some

1220
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 7: geneticists that I know and I've worked with for a while.

1221
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 7: I collected with some friends a bunch of white tail

1222
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 7: samples from eastern white tail, from cow's whitetail in the

1223
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 7: US and also in Mexico, and we had geneticis apply

1224
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 7: a whole bunch of different genetic markers and fine tune

1225
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 7: a set of markers that really divided animals that are

1226
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 7: known cow's whitetail deer from animals that are known not

1227
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 7: cow's whitetail deer eastern white tail, and those came from

1228
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 7: Canada and from Wisconsin and from all kinds of different

1229
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 7: places that were not cow's white tail deer and phil

1230
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 7: If you put that scatter diagram, you can see what

1231
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 7: we came up with with a test. So those blue

1232
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 7: the blue squares are cow's white tail deer clustering in

1233
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 7: one neat little cluster. The white is a whole diversity

1234
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 7: of different white tailed deer from eastern North America that

1235
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 7: are not cow's whitetail deer. We had one deer. Then

1236
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 7: this is the value of the test. That someone comes

1237
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 7: up with a deer. And in this case, the guy's

1238
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 7: last name was Lay and he had this deer from

1239
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 7: the attic and his grandfather said he shot it in

1240
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 7: southern Arizona. And so he says, if this is really

1241
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 7: a cow's white tailed deer, this is the new world

1242
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 7: record cow's whitetail deer. So that's an example of us

1243
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 7: applying this genetic test. Taking that unknown deer that someone

1244
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 7: says as a cow's white tail deer, running it through

1245
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 7: the genetic markers, you can see it lands right in

1246
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 7: the middle of regular eastern white tails. So the Bundaicrocket

1247
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 7: and the Pope and Young Club are using that genetic

1248
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 7: test we developed a long time ago to keep the

1249
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 7: record book categories clean and separate and make sure nobody's

1250
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 7: got a brand new world record white tail that's really

1251
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 7: not a role record, cow's whitetail that's really not a

1252
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 7: cow's white tail, and sneak one ofs. And so we

1253
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 7: can use genetics now to keep those record categories separately.

1254
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 7: So they do different genetically, mostly because they're physically separate

1255
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 7: from other white tails everywhere except when you go south

1256
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 7: into Mexico.

1257
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: Jim I see. We had a question in the comments

1258
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 2: section about obviously CWD is a big concern for your

1259
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 2: average white tailed deer hunter. Are there any known instances

1260
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 2: of KU's deer being affected by CWD and sort of

1261
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 2: what's the prognosis there. Do you think it's a risk

1262
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 2: spreading down into that environment.

1263
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 7: Arizona has not detected CWD, and we've been testing really intensively,

1264
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 7: and we're testing to the on the eastern border of

1265
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 7: Arizona because that borders New Mexico, which has some positive deer.

1266
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 7: We're testing on the north and the northeast because of

1267
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 7: Colorado and Utah having positive deer. We have not detected it.

1268
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 7: It's not really being tested that much in Mexico, but

1269
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 7: there hasn't been There hasn't been any evidence of it

1270
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 7: in Mexico, So the answer and in southern New Mexico,

1271
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,479
Speaker 7: I don't. I think it's all mul there that they've

1272
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 7: had some positives in south central New Mexico. So I

1273
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 7: think the answer is no, Cow's whitetail deer has not

1274
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 7: been hasn't been detected, And maybe the geographic separation and

1275
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 7: the lack of people driving back and forth with Cow's

1276
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 7: white deal and trailers might help kind of isolate that

1277
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 7: a little bit.

1278
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 2: M pill any other questions there in the chat we

1279
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: can throw a jim Yeah.

1280
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 6: Sure. We had a couple Marty's asking do the coastal

1281
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 6: cows in Mexico show any differences from the rest of

1282
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 6: the population. I don't know what differences he's referring to,

1283
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 6: but if you have any.

1284
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 7: Insight, probably talking well, he must be talking about the

1285
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 7: western border, the western coast of Mexico, by the Gulf

1286
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 7: of Mexico there the Sea Cortes, And no, there's genetically

1287
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 7: cow's whitetail are pretty genetically distinct until you go down

1288
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 7: and we did sample a lot of white tailed in

1289
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 7: Mexico until you get down into Mexico and then it

1290
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 7: just starts getting a blend of genetics. They're not so

1291
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 7: distinct there because they don't have that physical separation. And

1292
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 7: it's unique that in Sonora and Sineloa even you have

1293
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 7: these little white tails that are probably Cal's white tail

1294
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,799
Speaker 7: living really in some really low desert country, whereas in Arizona,

1295
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,799
Speaker 7: New Mexico that would be mule their habitat. But in Sonora,

1296
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 7: for some reason, we've got white tails really low down

1297
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 7: into the desert all the way out to the Zeo Cortes.

1298
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 7: But they're not different. Those white tails in the state

1299
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 7: of Mixing state of Sonora, which is southwest of Sonora,

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01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 7: and along the southwest of Sonora in the state of Sineloa,

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01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 7: those have been designated as a different subspecies. But that's

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01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 7: one of those deals where there really isn't any physical

1303
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 7: differences or genetic differences that anybody has determined to be

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01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 7: real differences.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha. Other listener questions Phil a couple.

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01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 6: However, we're getting a few Zach's asking what the typical

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01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 6: home range radius and elevation is for cal He says

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01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 6: he's seen them from fifteen hundred feet all the way

1309
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 6: up to five thousand in Arizona.

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01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:10,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, you certainly can see him in those The probably

1311
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 7: the most of that distribution though, is going to be

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01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 7: from three thousand feet up to about six about seven

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01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 7: thousand feet. Once you get seven thousand feet, you start

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01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 7: getting more into the open ponders of pine forest, which

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01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 7: isn't as good as that mid elevation with shrubs. And

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01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 7: a friend of mine did his master's degree a long

1317
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:31,520
Speaker 7: time ago in southeastern Arizona and found that the distribution

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01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 7: of the shrubs is what really governed the distribution of

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01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 7: white tails, and that was highest in that four thousand

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01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 7: and five thousand and six thousand foot elevation range. It

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01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 7: seems like there was another part of that question. Did

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01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 7: I miss something besides elevation? Oh?

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01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: Home, homerangeh about radius?

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01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 7: So we don't talk so much in terms of radius,

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01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 7: but some of the work we did in southern Arizona

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01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 7: showed that it's about a square mile. This country so

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01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 7: rugged from an aerial and white tails being white tails

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01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 7: a lot of places, about a square mile is what

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01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 7: they'll spend most of their time in.

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Speaker 6: What about during the rut, Jim, do you know how

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01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 6: far they're traveling?

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01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 7: I don't know, but because we haven't done a lot

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01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 7: of like GPS colors attract some of that stuff in Arizona,

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01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 7: but they definitely will move. They're not staying in their

1335
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 7: square mile at that time. And so when you're out there,

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01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 7: you're seeing a lot of bucks on the move and

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01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 7: they're not necessarily in the home rangeury using the rest

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01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 7: of the year they're out, they're out just looking for

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01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 7: for doughs that are close to asters.

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01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 2: Yep, Jim, did you get out and hunt coups yourself.

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01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 7: This year, I didn't. I hunted meal there. See when

1342
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,799
Speaker 7: I when I did my master's degree in South Texas,

1343
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 7: my my research was on trophy white tails in South

1344
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 7: Texas and kyle predation after the rut. With trophy white tails,

1345
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 7: because those bucks are at close to a one to

1346
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 7: one buck to dough ratio old age structure, there's a

1347
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 7: lot of competition for doughs, a lot of fighting, and

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01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 7: those bucks will lose twenty twenty five percent of their

1349
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 7: body weight during rut in South Texas because of that, Afterwards,

1350
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,839
Speaker 7: they're all worn out. They just want to find someplace

1351
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 7: and hang out and recover. And also you've got dense

1352
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 7: kyote populations in South Texas, so we were finding packs

1353
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 7: of coyotes almost acting like wolves ecologically taking down these

1354
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 7: post rut mature bucks, where normally you wouldn't think of

1355
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 7: a coyote taking down a mature buck, but it was

1356
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 7: a unique circumstance, so we knew that was happening. So

1357
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 7: my research focused on could you control kyotes on part

1358
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 7: of the ranch and have so many mature bucks that

1359
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 7: you saved from kyle predation that you would have more

1360
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 7: bucks to hunt, and the answer in the end was no.

1361
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,839
Speaker 7: The answer was we saved a few bucks from Kyle predation,

1362
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,799
Speaker 7: but in the grand scheme of things, population wise, ranch wise,

1363
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 7: it wasn't worth all the money and effort you put

1364
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 7: into controlling coyotes. You didn't get that much benefit in

1365
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 7: terms of number of bucks that you saved. So that's

1366
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 7: to say those those buck to dough ratios after the

1367
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 7: rut or during the rut in South Texas are different

1368
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 7: than you see in a lot of places in the West.

1369
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 7: Although we were going to talk about the status of

1370
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 7: cow's whitetail and Arizona and it's it's surprisingly well. Our

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01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 7: harvests and survey data shows a pretty good steady increase

1372
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 7: for the last ten years overall in hunt success, the

1373
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 7: hunt successive hunters we try to manage in Arizona for

1374
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 7: in terms of hunt success, we try to manage between

1375
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 7: fifteen and twenty five percent of the hunters being successful,

1376
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 7: and statewide it was forty six percent hunt success.

1377
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

1378
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 7: Buck to door ratios we try to manage between twenty

1379
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 7: and thirty bucks per hundred dos, so twenty per hundred

1380
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 7: dozs is one to five ratio the thirty bucks per

1381
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 7: hundred dos is about a one to three ratio, and

1382
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 7: our average is twenty five bucks per hundred dough state

1383
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 7: wide last year. That's a one to four buck to

1384
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 7: dough ratio in mostly public land hunting. It's controlled with

1385
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 7: a lottery style draw, so we control the harvest that way,

1386
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 7: but not a bad buck to door ratio for public

1387
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 7: lands in the West. For col's white tailed deer.

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01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: Is that forty six percent success ray? Is that a

1389
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,560
Speaker 1: spike from previous years? And if so, what do you

1390
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: think that's attributed to.

1391
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,759
Speaker 7: It's the end of an increasing trend. And then also

1392
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 7: important point is we have a couple alternative management units

1393
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:18,520
Speaker 7: in Arizona where we manage for more mature buck h structure,

1394
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 7: higher buck to dough ratio, lower hundred densities, and so

1395
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 7: those are much harder to get drawn, but when you

1396
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 7: do get drawn, you've got a better experience and a

1397
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 7: chance to shoot a more mature buck. And that statewide

1398
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 7: total includes a handful of those units that run higher,

1399
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 7: So that's not the average of some of the places

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01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 7: outside of those alternative funds, and that's at the end

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01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 7: of kind of an increasing trend, so not really I

1402
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 7: guess it may be a spike, but it's definitely an

1403
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 7: increasing trend of hunt success for the last five to

1404
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 7: ten years.

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01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 2: Really gotcha? Guys, have any other questions for Jim here? Jim,

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01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 2: I think we were running over time here. I apologize

1407
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 2: we didn't get you sooner, but before we go, I

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01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 2: did want to thank you for a few months ago

1409
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 2: you sent me an email about Sonor and hot dogs

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01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: and received a wonderful recommendation, and then we had the

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01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 2: we had the privilege of joining you for a lunch

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01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 2: at Carreta del Rojo, Aurora. Still not good on my

1413
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 2: Spanish despite my immersion experience last week, but you you

1414
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: not only did you recommend these dogs, you bought me

1415
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 2: one or several, and so I did want to publicly

1416
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 2: just thank you for a wonderful lunch and a tremendous

1417
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 2: experience talking all things deer and hot dogs with you.

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01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: For those that don't know what a Sonoran hot dog is,

1419
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: can you describe it?

1420
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 2: How about we let the local expert describe it. Because

1421
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 2: there's so many ingredients, I'm afraid I might leave one out.

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01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and there's a lot of diversity. Yeah, it

1423
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 7: was I recommended the best place in two to get

1424
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 7: snore and hot dogs, and by happenstance, I live a

1425
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 7: mile away, so I was able to scoop down and

1426
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 7: join you all. But it comes in a larger kind

1427
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 7: of a football shaped bund normally that's cut on the top,

1428
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 7: not a regular hot dog bun. The hot dog is

1429
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 7: usually wrapped in bacon, and then the bacon is fried

1430
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 7: so it's crispy on the hot dog. And then there's

1431
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 7: pinto beans, there's mayonnaise, there's mustard, onions, and then usually

1432
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,759
Speaker 7: served with a couple of peppers. I think that's probably

1433
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 7: the basis, but then you can have cherizo and cheese

1434
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 7: and all kinds of things added to that, but pretty delicious.

1435
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 3: I did manage to snap a picture of the schematic

1436
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 3: for Lockeratus. It's jalapeno sauce, mayonnaise, mustard, grilled onion, bacon, tomato,

1437
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 3: hot dog, beans, steam bun. I thought the grilled bun

1438
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 3: was one of the hallmarks of the snore in hot dog,

1439
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 3: but that's not correct. That's an extra.

1440
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 7: Yeah. Steam steam bun is what I consider the more typical.

1441
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 7: It's steamed so it's warm and a little softer.

1442
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 3: That was a huge upgrade in the world of snoring

1443
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 3: hot dogs.

1444
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: So thanks Jim, Thank you, Jim, appreciate it. Thanks Jim.

1445
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 2: All right, Phil, we're a little over time here, but

1446
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 2: I wonder.

1447
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 6: Are you guys okay, I mean, yeah, wherever time? I

1448
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 6: don't still have a segment left.

1449
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 2: Corey crossed that one out. I think we're gonna keep

1450
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 2: that one.

1451
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: We can rip through it quickly if we haven't fought

1452
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: you guys.

1453
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 6: Busy.

1454
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's mean. I see to have to get some

1455
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: lunch in me before whatever is happening at one. Oh, sure,

1456
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: this will be fast.

1457
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 2: I think, do you have a jingle? I do have

1458
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 2: a You should have led with that. We wouldn't have

1459
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 2: even questioned skipping the segment.

1460
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 6: Okay, let's hit it. Well, do do you want to

1461
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 6: say the name of the segment first?

1462
01:16:53,080 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 2: This segment is two truths and a Lie. Fun said

1463
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 2: to truth a lie?

1464
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,839
Speaker 1: Do you think can ballunt lie.

1465
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: To truth and a lie?

1466
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 1: You know, Calvi must be really having a great time

1467
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: because before the show started he said he told you

1468
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: he was going to give you five minutes of his time,

1469
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: and here we are an hour.

1470
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 2: He's a company so.

1471
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: Much so that he didn't even prepare for this.

1472
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 2: He's a company man through.

1473
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 3: Having a great time. But I was also told like,

1474
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,719
Speaker 3: these are the things that you're here for, and we didn't.

1475
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 3: We didn't get to them, so I was we never confused.

1476
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 3: Well one of the things was supposed to be two

1477
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 3: three percent a lie.

1478
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: Oh okay, great, that's what Corey.

1479
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 2: For this fun new segment, We're going to go around

1480
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 2: the room and each tell two doesn't mean lord, each

1481
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 2: tell two truths and a lie about ourselves Meat Eater Edition,

1482
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 2: while the other two hosts try and figure out which

1483
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 2: one is a lie. And this we we have a twist.

1484
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 2: It's gonna be the other three hosts because Cal is

1485
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 2: still here. Be honest, Would you like to lead us sidon?

1486
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 1: Sure, kim Mine. It's very simple. I didn't have anything

1487
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: prepared an hour ago or two hours ago, and Corey

1488
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: gave me this idea. Is just to give you guys

1489
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: some scores of some animals that I've killed. Figure out

1490
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: which one is true, which two are true, and which

1491
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: one is a lie. So my biggest white tailed buck

1492
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: scores one hundred and thirty seven inches. My biggest bull

1493
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: elk scores three hundred seventeen inches. And my biggest mule

1494
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: deer buck scores one hundred ninety five inches. Which one

1495
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: is a lie?

1496
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 3: The elk, Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on the elk.

1497
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say the mule deer.

1498
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: These boys are correct. My biggest bull elk is around

1499
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: three hundred five inches. I have killed a one hundred

1500
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: and thirty seven inch white tail in Nebraska with our

1501
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: buddy Brody Henderson. I almost felt bad for a quick

1502
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: moment when I shot that buck, but it was one

1503
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: of those instances that someone had to do some shooting.

1504
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: This shooting and my biggest mule deer buck I actually

1505
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: killed with our buddy Callian here and it scores roughly

1506
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: one ninety five.

1507
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 3: That was the most excited I've ever seen, honesty. After

1508
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 3: he pulled the trigger.

1509
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:23,520
Speaker 2: Fantastic.

1510
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:27,839
Speaker 3: He was sprinting erratically across the mountain side.

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01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: I like to make sure they're dead cal but it was.

1512
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 3: Without properly knowing where the buck ended up. He was

1513
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 3: that excited. He was like off this side of the

1514
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 3: mountain and over there and just like bird dogging around.

1515
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 3: It was cute as a button. Back back when we

1516
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 3: were all younger.

1517
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 1: He had extra points, you know. It was one of

1518
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 1: those kind of deals where like you look at him

1519
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: and you go, Cale's like, what do you think about

1520
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 1: this one? And all I saw was a couple kickers,

1521
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, yeah.

1522
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 2: Cal, do you have two truths and a lie prepared

1523
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 2: for us? Should I move on to Seth? No?

1524
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 3: I can whip one out, all right. I do have

1525
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 3: to say that the other there's a good quote. There's

1526
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 3: like it was a one dough or two does on

1527
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 3: this slope, and it's like, you know, a good mule

1528
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 3: deer hunter would just keep staring at these dos and

1529
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 3: that buck's gonna show up eventually. Did So that was cool. Okay.

1530
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: I have.

1531
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 3: Bagged over time, a black bear, a mountain lion, and uh,

1532
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 3: you know, a white tail.

1533
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: So we need to pick one of those animals that

1534
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:41,839
Speaker 1: you haven't bagged.

1535
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 2: YEP.

1536
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: I feel like because of our conversation yesterday, I know

1537
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 1: the answer. I'm gonna say, mountain lion.

1538
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say lying me too.

1539
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 3: Corey is not even talking. Yeah, I haven't killed them,

1540
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 3: been on quite a few huntsome.

1541
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: Are you packing a lion tag this year in your pocket?

1542
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1543
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 3: I always always buy them.

1544
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 5: Well, Seth, all right, I've killed one book animal, meaning

1545
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 5: it scored enough to hit the record books. I poked

1546
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 5: a cow ouc in the butt with my gun barrel,

1547
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,799
Speaker 5: and I killed a turkey in my crocs.

1548
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 2: It's not the turkey and the crocs.

1549
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: Hold on the when you poke the cow this I'm

1550
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: assuming she was still alive.

1551
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, real live, wild out there hunting. Poked a

1552
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 5: cow in the ass.

1553
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say number one, even though I don't remember

1554
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 2: what that is.

1555
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: You think that he has or has not killed a

1556
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: book animal.

1557
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 2: I think he hasn't killed a book animal because he's

1558
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 2: from Pennsylvania. No, because I think the the croc thing

1559
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 2: is true and the poking cow with the gun barrel

1560
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 2: is oddly specific. But he could just be really good

1561
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 2: at this game.

1562
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: Uh huh. I agree with you about the turkey, the

1563
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: croc turkey in the crocs. Oh body, has he killed

1564
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: a book animal? I think I would know about that

1565
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: if you did, so. I'm going to go with say

1566
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: that Seth has not killed a Boon and crocket book animal.

1567
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:17,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Pope and young antelope is pretty darned achievable,

1568
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 3: But I don't think he shot an antelope with your

1569
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 3: bill have you. Yeah, we'll go with the book book critter.

1570
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. Unfortunately, Yeah, you're right. That's pretty cool

1571
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: that you've poked a cow in the butt. Yeah.

1572
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 5: This past hunt season, I was doing it was an

1573
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 5: opening day a rifle and had a cow elk come

1574
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 5: running past me and I just gave a little poke

1575
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 5: and the asses went by so it didn't run me over.

1576
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 3: And you were dressed as a cow elk at the time.

1577
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it smelled like one too. Yeah. I was gonna

1578
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: ask if you did it in a little bit of

1579
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 1: a motion of self defense, and it sounds like it

1580
01:22:58,840 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: that was the case.

1581
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just like it was just did it to

1582
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 5: keep it moving, you know. I thought it was just

1583
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 5: gonna stomp me in the dirt.

1584
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, Randall, I'm doing a little improv because

1585
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 2: I feel like some of my clues. In fact, I

1586
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,719
Speaker 2: know that cow knows one of my clues is false,

1587
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 2: that it's.

1588
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: True, it's true.

1589
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 2: Something to go with. Uh, shot a deer with my

1590
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 2: pants at my ankles, caught a fish on a jug,

1591
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 2: or shot a deer with a pistol.

1592
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the pistol. That's a lie.

1593
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I caught a fish with the jug is just

1594
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:47,679
Speaker 3: not very fun.

1595
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 6: So what would be the point that it's from Ohio?

1596
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 1: So well, unless he's trying to fool you, that's the point.

1597
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's no money on the line.

1598
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 1: What was the first one?

1599
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: Shooting a deer with my pants at my ankles and underwear?

1600
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:11,759
Speaker 1: Well, from our little our time spent together in Mexico,

1601
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: I know that Randall is often in that position. So

1602
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: that's that's a high probability that you've done that. I'm

1603
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: gonna go with the pistol.

1604
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 6: Pistol.

1605
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with pistol.

1606
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 2: Well, it's catching a fish on a jug, son of

1607
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 2: my gun. Yeah, yeah, shot my first deer with my

1608
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 2: pants around my ankles.

1609
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:38,719
Speaker 1: Okay, and tell us about the deer that you shot

1610
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: with a pistol.

1611
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 2: See, I started with that as a lie, but then

1612
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: I remembered I had shot a deer with a pistol

1613
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 2: because I left I I shot it and it was

1614
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 2: still alive, and I walked out to go drag it

1615
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 2: back to the truck and it was still alive. So

1616
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:51,679
Speaker 2: I shot with a pistol.

1617
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: That doesn't count. Shooting a deer with a pistol.

1618
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 2: All right, two lies and the truth. And I was

1619
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 2: to go with eating iguana, but Cal fed me that iguana.

1620
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, sorry, gang, I guess I screwed that game up.

1621
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 6: No, it was good. You said my.

1622
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 2: One truth didn't count?

1623
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. Yeah, it's a great line.

1624
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 5: It's a great I should a deer with a pistol

1625
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 5: before too, but it was after hitting it with my

1626
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 5: pickup truck.

1627
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 6: Oh so would that? That probably wouldn't count either.

1628
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 3: For those of you listening, if you have access to

1629
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 3: a bunch of iguana tails and hind quarters super Bowls

1630
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 3: coming up, they make pretty awesome buffalo wings.

1631
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 6: Yes, oh hey, well that was one of the questions

1632
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 6: I was going to ask, asked, what's your favorite super

1633
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 6: Bowl snacks to make with game meat?

1634
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the iguana that same super Bowl. You also

1635
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 2: made a giant chicken wing out of an elkshank. Yeah,

1636
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 2: a buffalo chicken wing out of an elk shank.

1637
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 3: Which is quite tasty, real tasty, classic like red hot. Yeah,

1638
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 3: like a Frank's red hot wing. So I soon vied

1639
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 3: the leg to where it was edible. Didn't have any

1640
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 3: Franks red hot? No yet, No, and then drop the

1641
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 3: whole thing in the deep fat friar, get her all crispy,

1642
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 3: and then you know, tumble it around with some butter

1643
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 3: and some franks. Red hot.

1644
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: Sounds good.

1645
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 2: It was real tasty. I'm a classic Nacho's guy. Like

1646
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 2: to get a big, big package of Elk burger, little

1647
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 2: the taco seasoning from the store as cheap as you

1648
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 2: can find it and spread out a big mess of

1649
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 2: tortilla chips, little sour cream, cheese, hot sauce, crap please palpinos.

1650
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you do for cheese? Oh?

1651
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 2: Just Western family fiesta blend like it? Why is it

1652
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 2: a large quantity?

1653
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: Why is it that the cheapest taco seasoning packets tastes

1654
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 1: the best.

1655
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 2: Food science MSG Yeah, I think it's just a mesogy.

1656
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: I'll accept those answers. I'm a rotel dip guy. Oh yeah,

1657
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, so I do a little you know, nice

1658
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: thing about when you buy that giant chunk of alvida

1659
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: that gets me three through through through three Super bowls. Wow,

1660
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't go bad. It's expensive stuff, you know, those

1661
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 1: bricks of food that don't go bad ever. But yeah,

1662
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:25,799
Speaker 1: a little alveda can of rotel and then you know whatever,

1663
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: half pound pounds of also taco seasoned ground meat, and yeah, lovely. Yeah.

1664
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 1: I like to eat enough of that until it gives

1665
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 1: me a little bit of a tummy ache.

1666
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 2: Now are you are you dipping like a free dough

1667
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 2: in there or a standard tortilla chip.

1668
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 5: Or what usually tortilla chips? Lovely if I have them.

1669
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 5: Squirrel hot legs are are always good. And then just

1670
01:27:50,320 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 5: your typical jalapeno popper with whatever I've done it with, doves, ducks, anything, yeah,

1671
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 5: anything lovely, white tail, backstrap whatever, yep, COO's dear backstrap.

1672
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 2: Phil, what do you got for us here?

1673
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 6: Well, just first, Brian says, he goes gator nuggets, so

1674
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 6: those are pretty good.

1675
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 2: Nuggets of any kind are welcome.

1676
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, deer and dove poppers what Chase, Chase likes pheasant

1677
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 3: nuggets for Phil's kids last time we had to get together.

1678
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: That's right, were a big hit.

1679
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:22,839
Speaker 2: Those are tasty.

1680
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's do one's wrap it up here. This is

1681
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 6: the longest episode of radio so far.

1682
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

1683
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,560
Speaker 6: Really quick. Multiple questions about the gaming stream for conservation.

1684
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 6: I've been given pretty much. I've been given a green light.

1685
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 6: It's happening. I'm very excited, but I also don't want

1686
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 6: a half asset, so TBD on the date. I want

1687
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 6: to make sure that we can. Even though I want

1688
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 6: to bullshit and play video games, I also want to

1689
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 6: raise a lot of money. Do you have a bead

1690
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 6: on the game Red Dead Redemption two? Okay, yes you can.

1691
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 6: You can do all kinds of cowboys stuff and hunt

1692
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 6: hunt animals in all kinds of ways. So nice, go

1693
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 6: fishing right.

1694
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 2: Skunk ape customs, Yes, I really want to know what

1695
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 2: he's customing.

1696
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,799
Speaker 6: It's with a K, so it could be anything. Anyway,

1697
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 6: let's call it.

1698
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 2: That was great, Let's call it.

1699
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning.

1700
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning everybody. This is delightful. We'll see you

1701
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 2: next week. Oh oh, before we wrap up, it is

1702
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 2: Steve's birthday next week, so we're going to have a

1703
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 2: very special birthday celebration for Steve live on Media Radio Live.

1704
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 2: You're not going to want to miss it. Steve's hosting.

1705
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 2: There might be some cake, there might be some singing.

1706
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: There might be a gift exchange. Probably not the gifts though.

1707
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 6: Okay on that note, Sorry really quick, I'm stretching out

1708
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 6: this show. At the very top of the show, Randall

1709
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 6: first of all, what do you mind sharing what date

1710
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 6: your birthday is?

1711
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 2: October third?

1712
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 6: Okay, Spencer's an sob because he wished you a happy

1713
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 6: birthday at the beginning of the show and everyone was

1714
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:55,600
Speaker 6: saying happy birthday to you.

1715
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 2: Randall, everybody knows it's October third, everybody does. Yeah, it's

1716
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 2: the same day that the first Peanuts cartoon was published,

1717
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 2: and it's one of the you know, landmark days when

1718
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:05,679
Speaker 2: the Berlin walks it came crashing.

1719
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 6: All right, well that'll do it for today's episode.

1720
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:11,640
Speaker 1: Thank you for turning in