WEBVTT - Reality Bites 0:00:01.930 --> 0:00:05.370 Wind Down with Jana Kramer, an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:06.700 --> 0:00:08.310 Okay, ladies, headlines. 0:00:08.890 --> 0:00:09.280 Wow. 0:00:09.980 --> 0:00:13.000 First and foremost, I need to know if you guys 0:00:13.020 --> 0:00:15.740 watch Love is Blind. Katherine, I know I forced you 0:00:15.780 --> 0:00:19.420 when you were in Kelowna to watch some, the wedding part, 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:21.640 but have you watched anything? 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.419 I have watched everything up until the weddings. I'm like 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.980 so close. I don't think I can get behind this. 0:00:30.660 --> 0:00:31.140 Love is Blind? 0:00:31.650 --> 0:00:32.610 Yeah, I don't think I can. 0:00:32.870 --> 0:00:35.190 I love Love is Blind. And that's interesting because I 0:00:35.210 --> 0:00:36.050 really don't like reality. 0:00:36.190 --> 0:00:36.810 It's still what? 0:00:37.010 --> 0:00:37.229 How? 0:00:37.630 --> 0:00:40.790 This is what I need the answer to. How long 0:00:40.850 --> 0:00:42.229 is the entire process? 0:00:43.909 --> 0:00:46.100 I'm guessing this last season, I felt like they gave 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.500 us more intel on the back end. Like it sounded 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.320 like 30 days, like three weeks. 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:51.780 That's crazy. 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:54.060 But it sounds like they date in the pods for 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.660 like 10 days and then it's vacation and then it's 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.970 weddings and then they return to like the world. Okay. 0:01:01.090 --> 0:01:03.470 But anyways, I did enjoy it when I watched it 0:01:03.510 --> 0:01:03.889 with you there. 0:01:04.850 --> 0:01:11.030 So I will say this. So the headline is Love 0:01:11.069 --> 0:01:13.330 is Blind Reunion. So John Shannon admits he cheated on 0:01:13.370 --> 0:01:18.090 wife Sarah before divorce with graphic text to a stripper. 0:01:18.170 --> 0:01:22.780 So he went out. I mean, the reunion was wild. 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.020 I love, first and foremost, Sarah was my favorite of 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:27.319 the season. 0:01:27.340 --> 0:01:27.480 Same. 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:31.520 Same. She's just like, I just love. 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:31.920 Her so much. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:36.680 I think she's, her whole just like energy and demeanor 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.100 and how she speaks. And I just, I was just, 0:01:40.620 --> 0:01:44.640 she was a fan favorite. Like I loved her. And 0:01:44.660 --> 0:01:46.700 then I liked John. I did. I thought he was, 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.280 I mean, there was a few things that like his plays, 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:54.850 but you know, there's things that can maybe be, you know, 0:01:54.910 --> 0:01:57.490 work around a bit, but I, I, I didn't like, 0:01:57.510 --> 0:01:59.230 I thought they were cute together. I really did. Um, 0:02:00.510 --> 0:02:03.830 but apparently they exchanged, he exchanged graphic texts with a 0:02:03.850 --> 0:02:06.590 stripper who was also an escort. However, he claims that 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.760 nothing physical happened between them. So on the reunion, uh, 0:02:12.100 --> 0:02:14.920 and during the reunion, Sarah revealed that this cheating scandal 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:16.720 wasn't the only problem in their marriage. She'd say that 0:02:16.740 --> 0:02:20.440 John had a tendency to react harshly during disagreements and 0:02:21.050 --> 0:02:25.270 And often would use name calling and insult her. She's 0:02:25.290 --> 0:02:27.290 never been spoken to like that ever by a man. 0:02:27.389 --> 0:02:30.410 And I will just say that like how she was 0:02:30.430 --> 0:02:33.630 just so classy on that reunion. I just made me 0:02:33.669 --> 0:02:35.740 love her more, but also that how she put her 0:02:35.750 --> 0:02:38.350 foot down and she has such strong boundaries. And I 0:02:38.410 --> 0:02:41.160 wish I could have said the same back then. And, 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.560 you know, when a man spoke not nice to me 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.440 or did something that I could be like, you know what, 0:02:45.460 --> 0:02:47.460 I don't deserve this and I'm done, you know, and 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:52.139 I'm moving on. But, I mean, you guys didn't watch 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:53.980 the reunion, so we can't chat about that. But I 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.340 guess I'll go to, I mean, do you consider it 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:57.840 cheating even though it wasn't physical? 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.620 Well, first of all, I did see glimpses. I'm not 0:03:01.690 --> 0:03:04.950 a John fan and I haven't been. So I didn't 0:03:04.990 --> 0:03:09.210 like them together. I think he outkicked his coverage. I 0:03:09.250 --> 0:03:11.090 felt that way the whole time. So even when we 0:03:11.130 --> 0:03:13.050 were like chatting on the group chat and I was like, ah, 0:03:13.090 --> 0:03:19.020 don't spoil. I am actually shocked it was him. And 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:20.320 not that I thought it would be her. I just 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.760 am shocked that they even got that far because he's 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:28.410 just not my favorite. And I saw glimpses of the 0:03:28.450 --> 0:03:30.730 way he treated people when he took the call to 0:03:30.770 --> 0:03:34.570 pay the bill. Oh, yeah. He handled like the lost luggage, 0:03:34.669 --> 0:03:37.330 like all of that. I was like, this is like 0:03:38.150 --> 0:03:41.230 this is a character. This is a characteristic that's a 0:03:41.230 --> 0:03:45.720 little deep seated. And in my experience, if someone can 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.180 be that way somewhere, they can be that way everywhere. Yeah. 0:03:48.740 --> 0:03:50.260 I didn't like that. I didn't like that either. That 0:03:50.310 --> 0:03:51.940 was when I started to not love it. 0:03:53.250 --> 0:03:56.730 And so it's not shocking to me that that bled 0:03:56.790 --> 0:04:01.050 over into other areas of life. But I just think 0:04:01.090 --> 0:04:05.510 she's so wildly compassionate. The fact that he's been diagnosed 0:04:05.530 --> 0:04:08.370 with MS and that was no big deal to her. 0:04:08.630 --> 0:04:10.630 She just took it all on and was like, of course, 0:04:10.850 --> 0:04:13.430 we'll face it together. All of that. I just feel 0:04:13.450 --> 0:04:16.289 like she's so professional and so mature that. 0:04:18.110 --> 0:04:20.690 Shame on him, first of all. But I also do 0:04:20.730 --> 0:04:22.330 consider it cheating, to answer your question. 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.820 So you consider, even though it wasn't physical, him texting 0:04:25.860 --> 0:04:30.520 with her, like, would that be something that is a boundary? Yeah, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:31.559 so you would consider that cheating? 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:36.700 I do. Because I don't, I mean, what else is it, right? 0:04:37.260 --> 0:04:39.300 It's not acceptable. It's not appropriate. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:40.540 Yeah. 0:04:40.580 --> 0:04:44.860 So it is cheating. Especially when we're talking about strippers 0:04:44.900 --> 0:04:49.020 and escorts and exchanging information. Was it pictures as well? 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.140 I don't know. Yeah. 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.250 I mean, what's the point if it's not to go 0:04:54.310 --> 0:04:58.430 against your wife? You know, like what's the, you know, yes. 0:04:58.470 --> 0:05:00.150 You know, like guys, a lot of guys that will 0:05:00.170 --> 0:05:03.810 do that, it's for validation. You know, again, he says 0:05:03.870 --> 0:05:09.150 it wasn't physical, but I still think it's an emotional. 0:05:10.470 --> 0:05:10.990 Absolutely. 0:05:11.310 --> 0:05:15.750 I still think it's obviously trust, you know, that's, and 0:05:15.790 --> 0:05:18.900 it's still, I mean, I consider it cheating as well. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.419 But I know certain people have different opinions on, well, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.950 if it wasn't physical, then what really makes that cheating? 0:05:27.529 --> 0:05:29.310 But I think when you cross over a boundary, those 0:05:29.330 --> 0:05:31.270 are things that you have to for yourself. Like if 0:05:31.310 --> 0:05:33.490 it's a boundary for your relationship, clearly you shouldn't be 0:05:33.670 --> 0:05:35.090 talking to another woman like that. 0:05:36.310 --> 0:05:39.930 Yeah, but so, like, in my brain, it is cheating 0:05:39.950 --> 0:05:40.970 because what else can it be, right? 0:05:41.270 --> 0:05:41.990 That's what I'm saying. 0:05:42.029 --> 0:05:44.490 Like, what else is an indiscrepancy or something? 0:05:44.550 --> 0:05:47.430 It became really unclassy, in my opinion. The whole, like, 0:05:47.890 --> 0:05:51.800 everyone just, like, yelling at everybody. Well, it's a little Boston. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:52.460 We can't forget. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.120 Boston's a little heated. As, like, a viewer, I was like, 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.780 I can't believe I'm watching this. Like, this is getting, like, 0:05:58.740 --> 0:06:02.760 this is– I'm embarrassed. Like, the whole everyone's like, oh, yeah, 0:06:02.790 --> 0:06:05.180 you shut up. I'm like, okay, and you're right. So 0:06:05.220 --> 0:06:08.669 I'm just like, to a lot of people, like into 0:06:08.710 --> 0:06:10.490 his dad, he's like, it was a mistake. Like people 0:06:10.529 --> 0:06:13.170 make mistakes. And I'm not like, I'm also one to say, 0:06:13.190 --> 0:06:16.570 I do think, you know, and I'm literally talking to 0:06:16.589 --> 0:06:18.740 someone right now in my DMs, a girl going through this, 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:20.780 you know, her husband, she's like, I just found text 0:06:20.820 --> 0:06:24.800 messages between my husband and an employer that's inappropriate. And 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.200 I'm like, you know, I'm trying to like help her. 0:06:27.260 --> 0:06:28.900 And sometimes, like I said, I've, you know, I'll DM 0:06:28.940 --> 0:06:33.590 people and she's like, I'm broken, like, you know, blah, blah, blah. 0:06:33.630 --> 0:06:36.870 And I'm like, I still think that like guys make stupid, 0:06:37.490 --> 0:06:39.420 they do stupid things like that. And I do think 0:06:39.450 --> 0:06:42.779 that you can still work through that in your marriage 0:06:42.820 --> 0:06:45.919 if it wasn't like a physical aspect of it. Sure. No, 0:06:45.940 --> 0:06:47.900 like I still think you can, I'm still a believer 0:06:47.940 --> 0:06:51.300 that even if someone cheats, like they won't cheat again. 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:55.120 And I do believe that there's cases obviously like in 0:06:55.140 --> 0:06:57.620 mine where that's just who they are and they're going 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.200 to keep doing it. But I think sometimes like in 0:07:01.220 --> 0:07:05.330 the defense of, you know, Certain times where people do things, 0:07:05.370 --> 0:07:07.550 they're in a low spot, doesn't make any excuse for 0:07:07.570 --> 0:07:10.010 their behavior at all. It's a huge boundary. It's a 0:07:10.070 --> 0:07:12.510 huge betrayal break. But I do think if you're in 0:07:12.550 --> 0:07:14.910 a marriage and, you know, someone makes a mistake, we 0:07:14.930 --> 0:07:18.280 shouldn't just be like, well, it's done unless, you know, 0:07:18.340 --> 0:07:20.520 it's a big boundary that you can't get past. You know, 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.500 I think there are certain gray areas with a message sent. 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.940 Yeah. I also just think like for us, we had 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.550 to establish like, you know, Preston's in music, which is 0:07:31.390 --> 0:07:35.240 all inappropriate. Like, almost all of our industry, almost all 0:07:35.260 --> 0:07:39.400 of his job is not appropriate. There's no HR company 0:07:39.460 --> 0:07:41.920 there or HR department. There's no, you know, so like 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.850 calls at 11 calls at 1am, like it's all whatever. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.710 And I think we had to establish that if it was, 0:07:50.830 --> 0:07:52.450 and we do this even with, I do this with 0:07:52.470 --> 0:07:54.470 the kids. Like if it's not something you were say 0:07:54.570 --> 0:07:56.410 or do, if that person was next to you, then 0:07:56.430 --> 0:07:58.530 don't say or do it if they're not next to you. Yeah. 0:07:59.170 --> 0:08:02.930 I think that you can't, fault someone for staying in 0:08:02.970 --> 0:08:06.150 that situation, whether physical or not physical, but you also 0:08:06.180 --> 0:08:08.840 can't fault someone for saying, you know what, this was 0:08:08.900 --> 0:08:11.460 my line and you crossed it and I'm out. I 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.500 think that I think it's everyone has different boundaries and 0:08:14.540 --> 0:08:17.060 different things that they can handle. And I think sometimes 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.270 you have to recognize that what you can and can't take. 0:08:20.410 --> 0:08:22.630 I would think that you would have a harder time 0:08:22.710 --> 0:08:26.750 handling physical cheating now that you've been through that. And 0:08:27.130 --> 0:08:31.440 your line would probably be different after going through that. Right. 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:35.440 And let's just be real. You're doing maybe 30 days, 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:39.030 maybe 60, maybe a little bit more. And you can't 0:08:39.130 --> 0:08:42.600 see every part of someone in that time. things are 0:08:42.620 --> 0:08:45.370 going to show itself later, you know, and to the 0:08:45.410 --> 0:08:48.030 way he was speaking to her and maybe not knowing that, 0:08:48.050 --> 0:08:51.160 like that is pretty easy to hide for probably 30 days. 0:08:51.580 --> 0:08:51.840 Yeah. 0:08:51.940 --> 0:08:54.370 I think like for me, it's just the accountability. Like, 0:08:54.830 --> 0:08:56.450 It's one thing to make a mistake. And if you 0:08:56.490 --> 0:08:58.770 can't own it and continue to like. 0:08:59.010 --> 0:09:01.370 The reunion, he was like, he was very accountable. Like 0:09:01.410 --> 0:09:03.130 he was even like, dad, please be quiet. Like I 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.199 personally love the accountability that he brought. Where I don't 0:09:06.220 --> 0:09:09.860 think accountability was brought was Michaela's ex. 0:09:10.340 --> 0:09:13.280 And what's wild to me too. And like, listen, I 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:17.589 give some, I don't want to say some grace, but like, 0:09:18.230 --> 0:09:22.390 I started to fully understand Rob's issues when I could 0:09:22.429 --> 0:09:25.209 understand that he just lost his dad three months before. 0:09:25.630 --> 0:09:29.930 That's huge. And then he had lost two best friends. 0:09:30.170 --> 0:09:34.740 And so he's coming into this wanting a wife, but 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:38.740 not healed. He also, I mean, the guy's night, the 0:09:38.780 --> 0:09:42.520 guy's night situation with Rob and his friends, I couldn't 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.800 even process what was happening. It was happening so quick. 0:09:45.500 --> 0:09:48.489 But It also just felt like we're with a bunch 0:09:48.510 --> 0:09:51.100 of guys that don't, I mean, like still obviously enjoy 0:09:51.140 --> 0:09:54.220 partying a ton. Like it's zero to 60. It's just, 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.410 it was, that was really disheartening to me because I 0:09:57.450 --> 0:10:02.340 feel like Michaela is just a respectable professional. She was 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.500 in like, she was open. She was on that to 0:10:04.540 --> 0:10:05.200 find a husband. 0:10:06.179 --> 0:10:06.420 Yeah. 0:10:07.260 --> 0:10:08.080 And to own her stuff. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.680 Yeah. I think, I mean, listen, we're all the broken 0:10:11.740 --> 0:10:14.720 peeps coming when we go into relationships, but it's just 0:10:14.740 --> 0:10:17.069 really sad when boundaries get broken and you have to 0:10:17.110 --> 0:10:18.690 figure out what works for you and what don't and 0:10:18.750 --> 0:10:19.929 what you can forgive and what you can't. 0:10:20.700 --> 0:10:22.360 And what you can own. Yeah. 0:10:22.900 --> 0:10:26.679 And the accountability piece. So is is definitely huge. But 0:10:26.740 --> 0:10:29.420 I also will say I love how I just love 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.380 that these women are in their 30s and they're like, no, 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.739 I don't deserve that. And I'm like, I even told Kat, 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:35.620 I think I was talking to Pamela and I'm like, 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.360 we were talking about Michaela. And I'm like, the fact 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.740 that she's witnessed that and was like, I don't deserve that. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.620 I'm like, what I would have given of that in 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.599 my soul. in my early thirties, the first time I 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.600 got cheated on to be like, nope, don't deserve that. Now, granted, 0:10:51.620 --> 0:10:54.000 I have a very, you know, beautiful children now, but 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.750 I'm like, and even before, like everything led me to 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.190 where I am now, but I'm like, I'm like, I 0:10:59.270 --> 0:11:01.170 want some of what those girls have where it's like, no, 0:11:01.210 --> 0:11:02.690 I don't deserve that. And I'm not going to stick 0:11:02.730 --> 0:11:06.429 around for that. And, and I'm just like, wow, good 0:11:06.490 --> 0:11:06.950 on you girls. 0:11:07.870 --> 0:11:11.050 And you want your, your daughters to learn that, you know? 0:11:11.380 --> 0:11:16.190 And yes, it's easy to say like, forgiveness and all that, 0:11:16.230 --> 0:11:18.010 but like, would you want your daughter to have to 0:11:18.090 --> 0:11:20.030 go through that and continue to deal with it? 0:11:20.290 --> 0:11:22.890 I think again, it's very, it's a, it's, it's harder 0:11:22.929 --> 0:11:25.099 when you're married, you've got kids and someone who respect, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.140 you know, really honors marriage is cat. Like that's where 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:28.420 you're like, just give up one time. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:29.360 Like, right. 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.580 You know, like it's, that's two sides. 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:31.920 Yeah. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.560 Like for sure. You have to, you know. 0:11:35.740 --> 0:11:37.160 Yeah, absolutely. That's a hard one. 0:11:37.500 --> 0:11:40.890 Yeah. So They definitely just had beautiful standards. This round 0:11:40.929 --> 0:11:42.969 of women was like really, and I can't tell if 0:11:43.030 --> 0:11:45.110 it's maybe because there was more people in their thirties 0:11:45.270 --> 0:11:47.610 and less people in their twenties, this cast, it felt like, 0:11:48.390 --> 0:11:51.359 because I remember like I met Preston when I was 32, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:55.060 you know? So I think I just remember being like, 0:11:55.100 --> 0:11:56.439 I know what I like. I know what I don't like. 0:11:56.460 --> 0:11:58.940 I know what I'm falling for. You know, I do 0:11:58.980 --> 0:12:00.500 think there's just so much beauty in that. I just 0:12:00.540 --> 0:12:02.540 was really, and I also just felt like they supported 0:12:02.580 --> 0:12:06.790 each other so well, like less cattiness and more like 0:12:06.809 --> 0:12:08.150 girl support. Yeah. 0:12:08.250 --> 0:12:10.780 It would just be nice if like they could maybe 0:12:10.820 --> 0:12:12.540 do a little bit better on the casting on the 0:12:12.580 --> 0:12:17.260 men's side. It always seems like the girls are ready, 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.329 but the guys are not. But again, guys tend to 0:12:21.210 --> 0:12:40.370 say they're ready and then they're a little, then they're not. Right. Okay. 0:12:40.429 --> 0:12:43.350 Mormon wives, Jen Affleck explains why she decided to file 0:12:43.390 --> 0:12:47.270 for divorce from husband Zach. So Jen, um, is currently 0:12:47.290 --> 0:12:49.459 pregnant with her fourth child with Zach. She goes, I 0:12:49.500 --> 0:12:51.050 think I've known for a really long time. I think 0:12:51.100 --> 0:12:52.800 it sounds crazy to say, but because I'm about to 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.540 be postpartum, I knew that I needed to make the 0:12:54.580 --> 0:12:58.000 decision now not being postpartum because when you're postpartum, it's 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.000 the most vulnerable stage of having children. And I was 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.220 worried that if I waited until then, I wouldn't continue 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.800 the cycle. She also stated, um, that she has realized 0:13:05.830 --> 0:13:07.870 that she trained herself to forget. She says that seeing 0:13:07.929 --> 0:13:09.630 how she was treated by Zach on the show gave 0:13:09.670 --> 0:13:12.170 her more confidence in her decision to file for divorce. 0:13:14.730 --> 0:13:17.510 I mean, I feel like we all kind of saw 0:13:17.570 --> 0:13:18.510 that one come in a bit. 0:13:19.290 --> 0:13:21.770 There's so many of them divorced or divorcing. 0:13:21.790 --> 0:13:25.020 Well, I saw an interview with Jen where she was 0:13:25.059 --> 0:13:28.500 talking about like, look, you know, I would have come 0:13:28.540 --> 0:13:32.120 to this decision, I do believe at some point, but 0:13:32.420 --> 0:13:34.569 being on the show, when you sit there and you 0:13:34.710 --> 0:13:37.949 watch it, you know, and I'm like, how different that 0:13:37.990 --> 0:13:41.540 would be. like to truly like to just go back 0:13:41.610 --> 0:13:44.010 and go, okay, yeah, this happened, but then you move 0:13:44.190 --> 0:13:45.929 on or you forget about it or whatever, but then 0:13:45.950 --> 0:13:48.730 to have to go back and watch it some months 0:13:48.770 --> 0:13:51.550 later and go, Oh wait, that was terrible that he 0:13:51.590 --> 0:13:53.750 did that or what I did or what we did, 0:13:53.850 --> 0:13:56.309 you know? And so that's such a, like, I never 0:13:56.370 --> 0:13:58.510 really thought about that. You know, like I knew that 0:13:58.590 --> 0:14:01.650 it causes trauma when you're on, you know, and it 0:14:01.710 --> 0:14:03.270 makes it harder for them and all the things, but 0:14:03.290 --> 0:14:05.880 to actually have to go back and watch it and go, Oh, 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.770 that was inappropriate. Or, Oh, he really did treat me 0:14:08.809 --> 0:14:10.690 bad then. Like, what am I doing? 0:14:10.790 --> 0:14:11.050 You know? 0:14:11.110 --> 0:14:13.970 And like, I don't know. It's just, it's, I see 0:14:14.010 --> 0:14:16.230 where that would escalate. Oh, and why a lot of 0:14:16.250 --> 0:14:17.250 people do get divorced. 0:14:17.870 --> 0:14:18.070 Yeah. 0:14:18.210 --> 0:14:20.370 Again, I'm just feeling like, I don't know. Maybe I'm like, 0:14:20.850 --> 0:14:22.620 I'm just, I must just be like weak. And this 0:14:22.650 --> 0:14:24.720 is where I'm like in a self deprecate myself. But 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:27.840 because I'm like, you, you guys know when I was 0:14:27.860 --> 0:14:33.120 in Los Angeles, I had found out something again about 0:14:33.260 --> 0:14:38.830 an affair and I, almost something walking into something and 0:14:38.850 --> 0:14:40.930 I was like that's it I'm falling for a divorce 0:14:40.950 --> 0:14:42.430 I'll never forget I called Sarah Bryce and I was 0:14:42.450 --> 0:14:44.530 like I'm finally done I just caught him blah blah 0:14:44.550 --> 0:14:48.520 blah blah blah blah and I remember tasting like a 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.620 metallic taste in my mouth and I was like oh 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.300 my god I think I like I think I'm pregnant 0:14:53.060 --> 0:14:56.000 and I took a test and I was pregnant with 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:00.200 Jace And I remember going, calling Sarah and being like, 0:15:00.300 --> 0:15:02.140 I can't do this. Like, I can't do that. What 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.220 do I do? Like, I can't do this alone. Like, 0:15:04.260 --> 0:15:06.550 I'm like, I, how, like, how can you be pregnant 0:15:06.610 --> 0:15:08.610 and like have a kid? But I was like, I 0:15:08.650 --> 0:15:10.010 just was like, I was in that mode where I 0:15:10.010 --> 0:15:13.590 was like, I just can't do it myself. Um, and 0:15:13.610 --> 0:15:15.170 then in my mind, I was like, you know, and 0:15:15.490 --> 0:15:17.490 he was like, this is our, you know, start. And 0:15:17.510 --> 0:15:19.920 this is my, now I know, and not going to 0:15:19.940 --> 0:15:22.200 lose my family. And so I took it as that, 0:15:22.260 --> 0:15:24.360 but it's like, you, you, you see the writing on 0:15:24.380 --> 0:15:26.870 the wall. And I love that Jen was like, strong 0:15:26.910 --> 0:15:29.760 enough to go, no, like, this is not going to 0:15:29.820 --> 0:15:31.540 be good for my family. This isn't going to be 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.040 good for me. And I'm strong enough to walk away, 0:15:34.180 --> 0:15:37.160 even in that such a vulnerable position of carrying their child. Like, 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.340 I'm just like, girl, like how, like, again, so incredibly strong. 0:15:41.100 --> 0:15:45.490 Yeah. The only like negative that I don't love right 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:50.870 now is they keep both posting videos on social media. 0:15:50.970 --> 0:15:52.470 You know how that we always talk about how they're 0:15:52.510 --> 0:15:55.010 just crazy about social media. Yeah. but they're like both 0:15:55.110 --> 0:15:58.810 posting things to show the other people. And I'm like, okay, 0:15:59.610 --> 0:16:03.350 at this point we got four kids. This is social media. Like, right. 0:16:03.390 --> 0:16:03.570 Right. 0:16:03.610 --> 0:16:06.010 We just need to, we need to simmer down. I 0:16:06.050 --> 0:16:08.510 get it. You want to show, you know, all the things, 0:16:08.550 --> 0:16:10.260 but like, I just need that to simmer down a 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.740 little bit. Like we filed for divorce. We're going to 0:16:12.780 --> 0:16:15.800 be better off. Let's, let's move on and be a 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:17.020 little bit more mature about it. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:18.440 What do you mean? 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:23.450 So she posted a video of, that, and I think 0:16:23.470 --> 0:16:25.229 there's been more, I think they've both done it. They've 0:16:25.270 --> 0:16:27.220 gone back and forth, but she posted a video on 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:31.820 TikTok that basically was, she was filming something. It was like, 0:16:32.140 --> 0:16:33.980 it was going to go on social media or maybe 0:16:34.020 --> 0:16:36.140 it did. I don't know. And it showed him treating 0:16:36.220 --> 0:16:40.400 her kind of disrespectfully, like making her look stupid or 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.120 feel stupid. And it shows like his face behind her 0:16:43.140 --> 0:16:45.890 where he's like looking at her all nasty and like whatever. 0:16:46.470 --> 0:16:50.450 And so, I think it was her way of just like, see, see, 0:16:50.490 --> 0:16:52.510 he does treat me bad. Like, see, see, like this 0:16:52.590 --> 0:16:54.150 is what he does, you know? And then I, I 0:16:54.210 --> 0:16:56.960 believe I'm not, I did see that one. I believe 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.880 he came back with something as well. And I think 0:16:59.920 --> 0:17:01.880 it's just kind of been this bad. I can't watch 0:17:01.940 --> 0:17:03.980 it anymore because it's just got, it's just that stuff 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.000 gets so petty. Um, and that's where I'm going to go. 0:17:07.020 --> 0:17:07.240 Okay. 0:17:07.820 --> 0:17:10.080 You did this and you literally said you did this 0:17:10.540 --> 0:17:14.000 for your child because you, you want to stop the cycle. 0:17:14.060 --> 0:17:15.880 You do not want your children to think that this 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.230 is okay. You know, blah, blah, blah. So, this isn't 0:17:18.270 --> 0:17:20.230 okay either. So we're just going to need to like, 0:17:20.270 --> 0:17:21.949 and I love her and I'm so happy for her. 0:17:21.990 --> 0:17:25.830 And I'm like, I'm happy that she is making a 0:17:25.869 --> 0:17:28.410 decision to get happier. And I think both of them 0:17:28.460 --> 0:17:32.160 will be happier in the end probably, but I need 0:17:32.180 --> 0:17:34.120 them to just rein it back on the social. 0:17:33.940 --> 0:17:36.699 Media a little bit. I also just, I can't let 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.460 you say that you were weak BF, because I just don't, 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.300 I just don't think that's true. I mean, like I've been, 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:46.910 I just think there's, I think it's different for everybody, right? 0:17:46.970 --> 0:17:50.780 Like I can't imagine, I would have never had the 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:54.800 support to get divorced while I was pregnant. Like what 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.450 would have been for me in my situation, like the 0:17:58.490 --> 0:18:01.190 mature and responsible decision for me in that moment would 0:18:01.230 --> 0:18:06.390 be to just stay and again, if I'm safe, right? 0:18:06.470 --> 0:18:09.689 Like assuming I'm safe just to get like, it's everyone 0:18:09.730 --> 0:18:12.609 handles things at their own pace and at their own timeline. 0:18:12.670 --> 0:18:15.729 So I don't, I've never saw that part of you 0:18:15.820 --> 0:18:17.980 as being weak at all. I just felt like it 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.679 was like, we're just taking this one step at a time, 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.360 you know, like it's okay for everyone to make their 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.220 decisions in their own time and what they need to 0:18:26.260 --> 0:18:30.080 do and when their breaking point is. And I mean, hindsight, right? 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:34.169 Like There's a trillion things in all my relationships that 0:18:34.190 --> 0:18:36.310 I wish I would have gone, well, Kristen, you shouldn't 0:18:36.330 --> 0:18:39.040 have allowed that. Or Kristen, you shouldn't have done that. 0:18:39.140 --> 0:18:42.600 But hindsight is what it is. And we're all just learning. 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:44.740 And I think it's good to admire it in other people. 0:18:44.780 --> 0:18:47.900 But at the time, what felt like the sturdy decision 0:18:47.940 --> 0:18:51.500 for you was have your baby and stay married. And 0:18:51.540 --> 0:18:55.690 what feels sturdy for her is this isn't good. 0:18:55.770 --> 0:18:57.790 And I'm going to get divorced. Well, she's already done that, 0:18:57.850 --> 0:18:58.290 mind you. 0:18:58.369 --> 0:18:58.530 Right. 0:18:58.550 --> 0:18:59.109 Last baby. 0:18:59.130 --> 0:18:59.230 Right. 0:18:59.890 --> 0:19:02.810 They were already having issues and she decided to stay 0:19:02.830 --> 0:19:06.600 and all that. So, you know, she's essentially done this 0:19:06.670 --> 0:19:09.920