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Speaker 1: I gotta thank Dana Pump. I've been knowing Dana since

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Speaker 2: And he called me like a week and a half ago.

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Speaker 1: He's like, hit this lady, and I hit Lisa and

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Speaker 2: Barry Bonds. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm seven times MVP, fourteen time All start, eight Gold Gloves,

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Speaker 2: When you hear that, what comes to your mind.

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Speaker 3: I don't really talk about it. I let my peers

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Speaker 3: You don't need to say anything. So I don't really

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Speaker 3: You know, if you want to be really good at something,

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Speaker 1: Well obviously very humble about your success, but do you

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Speaker 3: And so I look back at ways of how for

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Speaker 3: You know what it's like to have somebody that good,

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Speaker 3: That wasn't happen. I mean, I love Mike, but that

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever had those computer guys that do all

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Speaker 4: But in nineteen ninety two slam Dunk Contest visit Deon Sanders,

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Speaker 3: No, people need to know the truth, because that's a

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Speaker 3: So the truth is, Dion Sander could out jump me

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Speaker 4: They need to bring that back. I think that they do.

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Speaker 1: I've seen a highlight of that somehow. That came across

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Speaker 3: Those high jumpers man.

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Speaker 3: My dad was a hitting genius in his head, I mean,

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Speaker 3: He educated on learning their flaws, learning things. And then

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Speaker 3: And it was the best. He's the best hitting coach,

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Speaker 3: No? With me, it was different. I accepted him for

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Speaker 3: not he's not at home. We're not at home where

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Speaker 3: Why is he pushing me? I didn't realize it untill

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Speaker 3: I didn't care about it. It was none that had to

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Speaker 3: My godfather's here right, My father's in right field, my

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Speaker 3: My son was born? Nineteen eighty nine? Okay, when I

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Speaker 3: room to talk to Leland, the only thing he says,

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Speaker 3: since I already know what you're in here, and don't

434
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 3: you say a damn word to me. You're my number

435
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,399
Speaker 3: five hitter, sink or swim kid. Because he knew they

436
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 3: wanted to trade me, but he believed in me. I said, Coach,

437
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to spend my whole life and that's the

438
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 3: year I wont MVP. And then after that I started

439
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,360
Speaker 3: training with Roder Craig Jerry Rice, and all I just started.

440
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 3: I just went off the deep end. And then I

441
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 3: wanted to be better training wise, and all I did

442
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 3: was trading. And I've been doing that for the rest

443
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 3: of my life.

444
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,439
Speaker 1: Speak to that training, because I mean, Jerry Rice is

445
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 1: known synonymously for his off season. He'll runs and train.

446
00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 1: So you jumped on that boat all that hard? That's hard?

447
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean where we I'd run in the mornings,

448
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 3: lift in the morning after running, and then go hit

449
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 3: after that. I mean it was from like eight in

450
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 3: the morning till twenty afternoon. And it's every day except

451
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: the weekends. Every day.

452
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 1: Baseball is known for a lot of unwritten rules. When

453
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 1: you first came in the game in eighty six, were

454
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: some of the unwritten rules.

455
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,919
Speaker 3: Depends what on written rules you're talking about.

456
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 2: What you can talk about.

457
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 3: I can talk about anything you want. This is twenty five.

458
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 3: People say whatever they want now to day. You know,

459
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 3: back when I was there, people didn't say would do

460
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 3: it they want? Nowaday you say whatever you want, you

461
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 3: get kudos for it. Now you get followers, I guess,

462
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 3: and social media you just say. All you gotta do

463
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 3: is say as everybody wants to see you now, you

464
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 3: know so.

465
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 4: I mean, but.

466
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: What I wish the game was still today is there

467
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 3: was a respect level at that time, a veteran level

468
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: where you earned your stripes, you worked for it, and

469
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 3: when you were a rookie coming up, you had to

470
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 3: go through initiation. Yeah, you paid your dues. Damn sure.

471
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 3: Back in those days where you know, I didn't have

472
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 3: a locker when I first came in, you know, Lee

473
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 3: Mozilli had Lee Mozilli was my locker mate, which and

474
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: he was the coolest cat ever too. But he would

475
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 3: sit his locker in my locker right here, and he

476
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 3: put his ashtray right in front, in the middle of

477
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 3: my locker, and he smoked. My locker was on the

478
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 3: floor with on little hangars, you know, a little rollout things,

479
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 3: and you sit on the floor and you have to

480
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 3: earn your locker, so you have to get a hit.

481
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: You got to steal a base or score run or

482
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 3: hit a home round something before you can get in

483
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 3: that locker. So when I first came in, they had

484
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 3: my uniform sitting down and I already knew the remooks.

485
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 3: My father's here and you know, and leaves like, how

486
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 3: you doing, kid, I'm good, fair, And you respected the veterans,

487
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 3: and you sat in the front of the bus like

488
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 3: all rookies had to sit in front of the bus,

489
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: all three of us, you know. And then we didn't

490
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 3: have charter fights. We took commercial fights where you had

491
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 3: to sit on the plane with other people at the

492
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: same time. We didn't have that in Pittsburgh when I

493
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 3: first came out. And then you had to go down

494
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 3: to the They sent me down the baggage claim and

495
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: I didn't even know the stuff didn't go to the

496
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: baggage claim. They said, bing, you got to go to

497
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: the baggage claim and get all the stuff. And I'm

498
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,239
Speaker 3: sitting in bags claim like this and nobody's there and

499
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: I'm going, this is crazy. And then somebody comes and

500
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: the bus already left.

501
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: You know what.

502
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: Everybody knows that's.

503
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: Kind of stuff.

504
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: And then you know they got and then you had

505
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 3: to then you know, you had to go wait for

506
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 3: everybody's luggage. And we had to walk up with the

507
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 3: bellman to all the veterans rooms and to give them

508
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 3: their luggage to like four in the morning. We had

509
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 3: a lot of things you had to do as a

510
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 3: as a young player, but you appreciate it and you

511
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 3: earned your stripes to where when your time came, it

512
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 3: was there there your time to be able to take

513
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: that initiative and stuff, and you know, the veterans tell

514
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 3: you shut up, you shut up, you know, And that

515
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: was just the way it was. And it was fun,

516
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 3: I mean, not a good time.

517
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 4: It's like that in basketball now. It ain't no better

518
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 4: than present.

519
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: There's zero man, these kids are like br I'm like,

520
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 3: I have never gone over to my godfather Willie or

521
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 3: Hank Aaron and said bruh are hey Hank. I was like,

522
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 3: mister Aaron, how you do? I mean, there was a

523
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: different appreciation for what that person did in your career.

524
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: You know, It's just different nowadays. They walked by you

525
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 3: like you exist, you don't even know anything, but just

526
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 3: I mean, let's fine, it's their game. Doesn't bother me none.

527
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: You know.

528
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: Sometimes you got to hit rock bottom to come over here. Yeah, right,

529
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: because God's gonna bring you wherever you need to get

530
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: right right. Sometimes they'll walk by me and stuff this

531
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: and then be like, hey, Barry, what do you see

532
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: And I'd be like, oh, you must be two for thirty,

533
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: you know. I go like this, I'm like, you must

534
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: be two thirty. You need a little you need Lord

535
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: in your hand, you need you need some church right

536
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 3: now right. And then when they get it, then you

537
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: don't hear from them again, and then you go back.

538
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: But it's it's part of the process, and it's all good.

539
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: I mean, like I say, I'm only there for this

540
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: information if you need it, and that's all I'm there

541
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: for I know, anything else is your path. And I

542
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 3: always tell them you've done this before you even met me.

543
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: And the athletes have to understand, I don't care what

544
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 3: sports you're in, you did this before you ever met me.

545
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 3: You may have known about me, but you never met me.

546
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 3: You have to understand how good you already are. Just

547
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 3: to be here, right, There's always gonna be somebody a

548
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: little bit better than you, even no matter what team

549
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 3: you're on, even when you're in high school litle league,

550
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: there's always somebody better, or you were the best either

551
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: or it's gonna full circle itself. But you just gonna

552
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 3: understand your talent and then get the best of your

553
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 3: telling you, you know, I used to. It's like a

554
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: lot of players when I was coaching with the Marrow

555
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 3: and stuff, they're like, well, I'm not you. I'm like, well,

556
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: that's the first thing you got right, because that's you,

557
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 3: ain't me. But let's be the best version of yourself,

558
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 3: you know, right, Let's be the best verse yourself. I'm

559
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: only here to help you. I'm not trying to challenge you.

560
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: I can't do that anymore and I'm too old for that.

561
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: So take this information and if it works. We're just

562
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 3: gonna throw darts at a wall all day and we're

563
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 3: gonna do this, and something's gonna stick, and let's just

564
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: keep throwing these darts and whatever. You don't like what

565
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 3: I say, thrown in garbage. I don't care. It's your journey.

566
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 3: It's not my journey, right, I'm just here to help

567
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 3: you get to that journey you're choosing. And if I can,

568
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: I can. If I can't, kick me to the curb

569
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: and go somewhere else, you know, I mean, it's okay.

570
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: You ain't hurt my feelings, you know what I mean.

571
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: So that's it. It's alid.

572
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: There's some younger guys that you really enjoyed working with,

573
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: did you want? You know, wouldn't mind sharing that? Like

574
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: soaked it up?

575
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: And you know, I love working with all of them.

576
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: I never have a favorite. I have a challenge of

577
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: each individual. I never have like a favorite because I

578
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 3: could do so many things out there. I'd love the

579
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 3: challenge of getting you right or fixing a puzzle, because

580
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: that's what I did in my head all the time.

581
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: In my own personal career, we were always you know,

582
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 3: you're always having to revamp yourself right, and it's taken

583
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 3: on the challenge of I don't care if it's weighed.

584
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 3: I don't give a credit if it's Mookie Betts. I

585
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: don't care who it is that I've talked to or

586
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: work with, or Dexter Fowler back in the days and

587
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: stuff like that. It doesn't matter. Alex Rodriguez I worked with.

588
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: It's that puzzle that I enjoy. It's not a favorite.

589
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 3: Alex was easier because he's already the lead of the league, right.

590
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: We don't Our conversations are different, and understanding that each

591
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: conversation I have with each person is different. You can't

592
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: this one method is not going to work with this guy.

593
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: He doesn't I can sit there and say, you know,

594
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: you need to hit off your front leg a little

595
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 3: bit because you're too backsided. Well, may not work with

596
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: this other guy. He doesn't understand that. He's like, he's

597
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 3: leaning so far forward. I'm like, no, man, he like this,

598
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? I have to tailor tailor

599
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: it to what works for them, right, And it's just

600
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: creating the mind it's changing the mindset. What does a

601
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: man hate to do if you're really good at something,

602
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: it's telling him they can't do something they going to

603
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: show you they can do it, right, What did I

604
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: just It's just a mind ship, right, it's a mind

605
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: shift because he already has the talent to do it,

606
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: and saying, well, you're gonna tell me that you're a

607
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: professional athlete. You just can't hit the ball right there?

608
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: Who you talking to? Well, then you know what. I

609
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: mechanically didn't do anything for you. You already fixed it

610
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: your damn self, so you don't really need me, you

611
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So sometimes it's just redirecting the

612
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 3: mind for great athletes, and all of them are great.

613
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 3: If you're in if you're in a professional sport, you're great,

614
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: no question, because there's so little of you there. Come on, brother,

615
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 3: remember you are good. You gotta work with.

616
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 4: That ten a hundred mile fastballs pissed to you today

617
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 4: you're hitting any.

618
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: Of them out one hundred. That's easy right now. Today,

619
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: I don't care how hard you throw a baseball, they're gone.

620
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: There ain't no way you can throw a baseball six.

621
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: So I can't just do like this. If there's a

622
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: catcher behind home plate that sits like this, what a

623
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: glove and you throw a hundred mind, don't he just

624
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: go like this, boom boom. All I did was change

625
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: this object to a bat boom boom. I ain't got

626
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: to change nothing. I just change the object. Now, if

627
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 3: you're asking me to do something spectacler, that would take

628
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: time for my body to get used to it at sixty.

629
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: But to go up there and hit it, I don't

630
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: care how hard do you think. As long as I

631
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 3: can see it, I hit it.

632
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

633
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 4: When you're great, you just great, though.

634
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: Don't Willie could do it back, you know, and even

635
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: when is it sixties? Him and my dad and them

636
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: would come and hit all the time. They were did

637
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: all the time.

638
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: There's a rich history of racism in baseball. When you

639
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: first got into the game, did you feel it, see it?

640
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: Did you hear a story from your dad or Willie

641
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: or Hank or anything like that.

642
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: The problem with that question is that it's it's a

643
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: fuel for the media to run with he said, questions, right,

644
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: he said, he said, he said, we already know that answer.

645
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: We don't need to. You know, I kind of stay

646
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: out of it only because if you want the truth,

647
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: it's an industry that needs to come together to make

648
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 3: it happen, and the industry starts up here. Okay, I'm

649
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: down on the bottom floor. So we as an industry,

650
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: we hear bottom and top have to find a way

651
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: to come together to balance it. Right for me to

652
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: sit there and say is there racism? Yeah, I mean

653
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: I could say yes, that's true. We all know that.

654
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 3: I mean, as black people, we know what's going on.

655
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 3: We're not blinded by any of that. Right, We're not

656
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: a threat to anyone. We're not trying to pose a

657
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: threat to anyone. We're trying to be relevant or equal

658
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: or valued. Right, Well, the industry has to come together,

659
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: and how do we do that. People need to sit

660
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: at the table and figure it out.

661
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 4: That's simple. That's a conversation. You have to decline in

662
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 4: black payers in baseball. Is it because of the love

663
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: and black kids not loving baseball? Or is it because

664
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 4: other races are just dominating game.

665
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: The other racer. If we're going to be technical, white

666
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: races always dominated baseball. I mean it's it was there

667
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: since they won until Jackie Robinson broke the color bearer.

668
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: If you want to be honest and true about it,

669
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: how many star blacks are in baseball? You got star Latinos,

670
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: star Asians, you got star whites. When I played baseball,

671
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: you had me King Griffyth Junior, Eric Davis, Ozzie Smith McGee.

672
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: I can go on and on and on and on,

673
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: Andre Dawson. I mean, I can name a ton of

674
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: inspiring black athletes on the field to inspire other black

675
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: kids to want to play right. So what is that

676
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: an industrial problem? The industry needs to fix it.

677
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: I went to school with a lot of white kids

678
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: in high school, and travel baseball was expensive. It was

679
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: almost priced out of my community. Although I went to

680
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: school with kids that can afford it, I feel like

681
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of priced out of the black community at times,

682
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: and I think that kind of hinders the opportunity for

683
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: some of these kids to come up and really have

684
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: an opportunity at it.

685
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: It is very expensive. I mean, that's what five hundred dollars.

686
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: It's like crazy. I mean, I do something else. I mean,

687
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: gloves are three hundred dollars. I mean you're you're at

688
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: almost two thousand dollars right now just to play baseball

689
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: with sky equipment, just equipment. We're talking about just with spikes,

690
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: you know, and stuff like that. And it's hard. But

691
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: it still comes back to if you don't have enough.

692
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: Like the NBA, there's so much equals or football, it's balanced.

693
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: Baseball it is not as balanced. So why am I

694
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: chasing baseball when I'm not looking at Okay, I can

695
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: name Mookie Betts, I can name a few, but I

696
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: can't name enough to say, Mom, go buy me a glove,

697
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: or Mom, I'll go get a paper out, Dad, I'll

698
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: go do this and play baseball. There's not enough of

699
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: us and they'll see it. I'm retired. Yeah, you know,

700
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: I'm retired, Kenny. We're all retired now. It's either industrial

701
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: we all have to get together and start communicating and

702
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: talking and trying to find a balance, or you take

703
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: the younger group and six three percent you got and

704
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: try to balance it because you have to give the

705
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: kids need something to see, somewhat to see. I mean

706
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: you have to see it to want it. I mean,

707
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: you probably have more black kids want to play tennis

708
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: because it's serena and restlingly there out there, because you're

709
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: seeing it and it's like a tennis racket and just

710
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: some tent. I'm gonna go. You know, I could do that,

711
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: you know, but there's not enough of us to inspire

712
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: our community.

713
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: There's been an influx in Japanese players coming over and

714
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: have success Cine Miler in the NBA with European players,

715
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: and there's a debate, and I feel like with European

716
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: players it's more work, more practice, more skill.

717
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: Training, and then the game is the reward.

718
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: I feel like with au basketball, one practice and the

719
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: game is everything. Why do you feel like there's the

720
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: Japanese players are successfully transitioning into the Major League so

721
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: much at a higher rate these days.

722
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: Japanese baseball it's always been huge. I mean, it's always

723
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: been good, and we've always as Americans have gone over

724
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: to Japan and played in these All Star tournaments with them,

725
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: and they have very talented athletes, same as the Hispanics,

726
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: very very talented athletes. And then you have the Koreans

727
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: are now producing pictures and stuff and players as well.

728
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: But you have a culture there in a country that is,

729
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: like I say, industry bound to make it happen. Well,

730
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: we're the United States and the equal we're good, even

731
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: less with blacks, we're still good. Industry, we're the best,

732
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: we are the best. But the equality of it has

733
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: to stay balanced. For me, I mean, it needs to

734
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: be balanced, and the Japanese have always always have been

735
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: very very good. It's just we're bigger, stronger, you know,

736
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: we have. They're starting to catch up. You can see

737
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: it in on Tani and stuff like that. They're starting

738
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: to catch up. But at the time, we were always bigger, stronger,

739
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: you know, and our game and it's just always been

740
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: like that. But you know, now you can see that

741
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: it's starting to transition over and and it's okay. I

742
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: mean we as a married we don't care. It's just

743
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: like when we get to the World Classic, what side

744
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 3: you're gonna play on them? That's that's the time we care.

745
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: You over here playing our league. You better staying. Don't

746
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 3: go back over the pan now and start beating on us.

747
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: You know, we have fun in that way. But and

748
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: that's the competition. It's it's it's fun.

749
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: Thoughts.

750
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he came in, has taken MLB

751
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: by storm and then signed a monster contract. Thoughts on

752
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: just his ability to do hit the ball the way

753
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: he does and also pitch, and just the versatility of

754
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: his game.

755
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 3: The pitching and hitting has been outstanding. For what he's

756
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: done in base running stuff like that, he's a complete player.

757
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no doubt about the type of player

758
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: he is and what he's accomplished in his career. The

759
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,959
Speaker 3: game has just changed. I mean, the game is way

760
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: different than it is than when I play the same

761
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: way Michael talks about it or anyone else. Oh Tani

762
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 3: is not gonna hit two home runs without seeing one

763
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: goal right here in my generation. I don't care what

764
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: he does. He's not going to steal two bases. About

765
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: somebody decapitating his kneecap and slow him down because it's

766
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 3: a different game back then today's game. They take batting

767
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: practice all day. They take batting practice at one, two, three, four, five,

768
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: all the way up. These guys hit more than I've

769
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: ever seen my entire lifetime that we didn't do, and

770
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: they should be better than us. It's hitting wise because

771
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: they can hit a home run, flip their bat up

772
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 3: in the air, run around, get a taco, come back down,

773
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: have a limo, drive around, you know, all these antics

774
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: that we weren't allowed to do. If I did anything

775
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: like that, there's no way I'm going to see a star.

776
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 3: You know, I'll see the hospital, but I ain't gonna

777
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: see baseball. And so as a hitter. We had to

778
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: hit in a way to where if I hit a

779
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: home run, I know what's coming in next set back

780
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: our possibility. So my thing is I have to be

781
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: a little more defensive and be more of a contact

782
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 3: hitter to get out of a problem than it's. Well,

783
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: they can just do and hit, hit, and sometimes I

784
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 3: think it could be a disadvantage. But O Tony dude

785
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: boy can play. There's no question about who he is.

786
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: I just my opinion. I just hope he just stays

787
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 3: at the hitting category because his hitting ability is off

788
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: the chart. Pitching, I just think might tire him out.

789
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: I think he should come out of the bullpen here

790
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: and there, like he has because he's dhing. He come

791
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: out of the bullpen and throw an inning or two

792
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: here and just because he's so good as a reliever too,

793
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: like he could be one of the dominant relievers and

794
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: dominant starters. I think as a starter, man, I think

795
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 3: it might get wear a tear a little bit and

796
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 3: tire him out. Why fix something that isn't broken, because

797
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: that's like I couldn't me. I be like, no, I

798
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 3: fix broke.

799
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 4: This is good.

800
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 3: I'm good piece, this is great. But I think coming

801
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: out of the bullpen. He could really dominate.

802
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 4: Current day, you got your daughter with you and you

803
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 4: talked about working out what brings you joy today.

804
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: My kids taking over everything I wouldn't. I don't do interviews.

805
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 3: I've never done hard.

806
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: We appreciate it.

807
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 3: And my daughter is like, took over and she just said, Dad,

808
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: you need to step back and let us do this.

809
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: So I'm learning to shut up, learning hunch your cart

810
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: a little bit. I'm learning to allow them to dictate

811
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: this new generation that I'm not overly comfortable with, but

812
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: at the same time I need to adapt to. And

813
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 3: so I'm I'm allowing them to take over and say, Dad,

814
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 3: you need to be here.

815
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna start seeing more on social media and that's

816
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: already started.

817
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: They got this stuff going crazy and I'm just like,

818
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: what are you doing? I don't even understand this. What

819
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 3: are you like him? Why are you tagging him? I

820
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: don't even know him. I'm like, I don't want anybody

821
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: on my phone.

822
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 4: You know.

823
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: It's like I'm always like, what are you doing? It's like,

824
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 3: so they took it. Like because I ride my bike

825
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: all the time. I cycle a lot, so I have

826
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: Strava and you know, my swift and stuff, and we

827
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 3: give likes on to each other for working out and training.

828
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: So my daughter had to explain to me it's the

829
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: same thing. It's like, Dad, you're you're appreciating what he's

830
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: done by the same thing. So think of it like

831
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: when you're riding your bike on Strava and you're giving

832
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: your likes and stuff and things like that. Think of

833
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: it like that, and I'm like, oh, okay, now I

834
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: get it. But at first, I'm just thinking people got

835
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: all my information. I'm not doing I ain't in all that,

836
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 3: you know.

837
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: So if you guys need help on the social media side,

838
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: let us know. We just launched that side of the

839
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: company and we're doing really well. Oh that's good.

840
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: If you guys need some help with some ideas, we

841
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: got it.

842
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 3: She's the boss.

843
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk to the head of the Yeah.

844
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. When you get six, you got to learn to

845
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 3: step down. And I think it's like it's my time,

846
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 3: as my kids are at the point where they're old

847
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: enough to do it, you know, and it's time for

848
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 3: me to just say it's dad. I got to step

849
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: to the side a little bit. I stok at one

850
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: leg in it it's it's scary, but you know, but

851
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: so far it's been I mean it's been a blessing.

852
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 3: I mean when you can have your family do stuff

853
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: and know that they're doing it right and the best

854
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: that they can and as a parent, it's pretty gratifying.

855
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 4: Bay Area it isn't doing too good right now. We

856
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 4: were here, We were here, we did a lot of

857
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 4: community work. I actually uh donated accurd in April twelfth

858
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 4: is actually my day here. But you have you do

859
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 4: a lot of foundation work here and what are you

860
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 4: up to around the city and how can we help

861
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 4: you know with what you're doing.

862
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 3: Here right now? I think the city right now, all

863
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: of us are in the transition stage right now to

864
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: find out what I mean, now, when you lose the

865
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 3: Oakland A's is very tough Oakland's, it's going to be

866
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: tough there. I mean, you know, protecting that city is

867
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 3: very very important because crime is is not great here

868
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: right and we're in this transition to where we need

869
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: to put more and more value into our kids, and

870
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 3: more and more value into our education system, and just

871
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: in our leadership has to change. It's like things have

872
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: to start changing where we need to demand this from them,

873
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: not ask them. We need to demand this a long

874
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: time ago. We're giving I understand the youth of things,

875
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: but you're not ready to take over. I mean we

876
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: as the elders are even older than me or whatever.

877
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 3: We need to demand that respect from them, and we

878
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: need to demand it the right way and allow them

879
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 3: to take over it and do it the right way.

880
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 3: And once we do that and we can transition back.

881
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: We need to transition back a little bit. I think

882
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: we're trying to go too far sou forward, and we

883
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: need to come back and say, hey, wake up.

884
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: First thing to come to mind, let us know guilty.

885
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 3: Pleasure my dog, my black miniature snauzer. Yeah, cycling, working

886
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 3: on the gym, being happy looks great.

887
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: You're sixty, you're sixty, you're about to be sixty.

888
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: No, I'm sixty. I'll be sixty one in July.

889
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 2: Looks so you're aging backward.

890
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: Benjamin Button, All right, I'm gonna take you a little

891
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: bit outside of your comforts right here, build your perfect

892
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: baseball player. Discipline. Who would you put for discipline? Feel

893
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: free to use yourself.

894
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: No, that's too easy. The perfect it would be a

895
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: combination of people. Because I love so many like Ken

896
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 3: Griffy Junior is the key. I mean, Ken Griffy Junior

897
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: was if he never got hurt the way he did

898
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: would just be phenomenal. But you've got people like Corbera,

899
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: Albert pool Holds, Larry Walker, Todd Helton. I can go

900
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: on and on with just all around, Eric Davis, Barry Larkin,

901
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 3: Andre Dawson. I mean, there's so many of my general

902
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: Bobby Bene, yeah, I mean, my best friend and things

903
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: like that. I would, But if I had to pick

904
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 3: like the elite, I mean, I'm gonna go with Junior

905
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: because Junior was eighteen years old as a kid. He

906
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: came in and just electrified everything. Fortunately he just got

907
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: hurt during the times. But a kid that can do everything,

908
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 3: Vladimir Guerrel, I mean, if he could ever not swing

909
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: at everything, there's no one who beats that guy. He

910
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: can throw a ball from the fence all the way.

911
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: Hay and Larry Walker too, he had speed. He can

912
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: do it every I mean, there's so many players of

913
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: my generation that the competition level was so high amongst

914
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: us all that it's hard to just pick one individual,

915
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, sure, did some of us stand out? Yeah? Okay, right,

916
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not gonna knock myself down. Did I

917
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: stand out? Yeah, But if you're saying not choosing myself,

918
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 3: I have to choose King Griffy.

919
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: We lost Ricky Anderson this year.

920
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 3: And about Ricky, oh, we were tight from day one.

921
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you guys understand, my dad played baseball, so

922
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: all of most of the players that came up admired

923
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: my father. So we all were friends at points even

924
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: when I was younger. So Ricky and I, you know,

925
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 3: been boys ever since I was little, just like mc

926
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: hammer and I've been friends ever since I because he

927
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: was in Oakland when my dad was going over there

928
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 3: and we were all friends. So there is there is

929
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: a but there's you know, the who I think would

930
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: have been probably you know, people talk about bo Jackson

931
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: and being in bo Jackson was a specimen he if

932
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: he never not heard either. But I'm never going to

933
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 3: deny Dian Sanders ever there. I mean, anybody can say

934
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 3: whatever the heck they want, but if you can play

935
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 3: two professional sports professionally and do it well, and he

936
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 3: played baseball well, and he played football great, okay, and

937
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: I think if he had time to play baseballs as

938
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: all the time. He would probably be there too as

939
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 3: a leadoff Hitterick sir Son, Who's then, who's the greatest

940
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: athlete when you can play two professional sports at the

941
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 3: highest level. I ain't in that category. Deon Sanders in

942
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: that category. Bo Jackson's in that category. There's players that

943
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: you know did did two sports professionally and trying to

944
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 3: play one hard enough to have to try to to Dion,

945
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think he was All Star, but

946
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: he all. I mean we were teammates. I saw Deon

947
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: Sanders hit the ball centerfield were in Florida. He had

948
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: a ground ball up the middle. It just got through

949
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: the centerfielder's leg, and Dion would staying on third base.

950
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: I went in the dugout in the back of the

951
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: clubhouse and I said, hit that. Rewind tape, please, because

952
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 3: I missed it. That's how fast he was. I mean,

953
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: just you know, when you're even me as good as

954
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: I was base running, the way he cut those bases,

955
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa. And then all I want to

956
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: do is imitate it, you know, because that's my brain, right.

957
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: But I was never gonna be fast him, not even close.

958
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: I can look at you backwards and just man like,

959
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 3: that's crazy. When Meg can talk to you behind you go, come.

960
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: On, seventy three home runs. What was your favorite part

961
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: about that journey that season?

962
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: Consistency I was. I was consistent that year. That was

963
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: I felt it in I didn't feel it in spring

964
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 3: to I gotta tell you a story behind this. I

965
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: bet against myself, to be honest with you, because it

966
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: was really the worst year of my life because I

967
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 3: bet Sean Dunston the Mercedes and I lost. And in baseball,

968
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: we have a rule. If you and I have a

969
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: bet one on one and nobody hears it, then you

970
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 3: can reneg or do whatever you want, and then you

971
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 3: can be mad. But if you call you dude out

972
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: in front of the team, you have to honor that

973
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 3: bet or you get the beat down. Right, This is

974
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 3: my generation. When so Sean was, I was hitting balls

975
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: in spring training and I just felt locked in like

976
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: I had never felt in my entire life. I just

977
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: felt like, Wow, and Sean goes, You're going to break

978
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: the record. I'm like, you stupid. No one in the

979
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: planet's going to hit seventy home runs just because I

980
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: had a few good days of BP and I was

981
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: hitting home runs all over the place, and it's like,

982
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: you're nuts. And I always wait till this fall down,

983
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: you know, because good athletes and good hitters, we always

984
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: know we're going to come down. It's just how far

985
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: can we stop the fall? Right? Those are the good players, right,

986
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 3: because you're always going to fall. I don't know what happened,

987
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: I really, I really can't even explain it. I was

988
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 3: just so consistent and locked in to where I could

989
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 3: see things like this, and I could see it happening fast.

990
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 3: I mean I could tell you what pitch was coming.

991
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: It's like this, And it's not that I knew what

992
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 3: Pitt's coming. I could just calculate the situation like I

993
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: can read it as I like, you're going to do what?

994
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: And it's just you know how you have that feeling

995
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 3: and you know everyone has that moment. Mine just lasted

996
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 3: a long time and that was just it mean to

997
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: you home. It's been my home my whole life. I mean,

998
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: it's my hometown. So I think it'd be different I

999
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 3: played a different city or saying like, what's you know,

1000
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: like Cleveland would be to me if I wasn't from

1001
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 3: there something it would be different. But I was raised

1002
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: here my whole life for since I was a baby.

1003
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: I don't know anything else. So it's just home. Everyone

1004
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 3: I knows, friends of mine, politicians, and we went to

1005
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 3: high school together, the sheriff, you know, we together.

1006
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: We get in some ship. We gotta call it.

1007
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: That's all right, I called There's always there someone I

1008
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 3: know or my family new or so it's just always

1009
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 3: been home. I've never I don't know anything different.

1010
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: Right well, Barry Man, we appreciate you, We love you.

1011
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: There's a lot of us who love you out here

1012
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: and would love to start seeing you do more of

1013
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: this and share because there's so much greatness and we

1014
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: all look at you at the top of the total falling.

1015
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate you just giving us a little bit of

1016
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: time today.

1017
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 3: Man, Thank you, very appreciate it.

1018
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: And that's a wrap. The Legendary the Goat Barry Bonds.

1019
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: You can catch us on DraftKings Network and all the

1020
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: Smoke Productions YouTube.

1021
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: We'll see you guys next week.

1022
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 4: M hm.

1023
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm

1024
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm mmm.