1 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: Hello, Renee. 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: How has this British summer you've found you? 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 3: Oh? 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 4: Gooday, Well, the fine British summer hasn't quite found me yet. 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 4: I was literally walking back from dinner tonight and I 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 4: thought to myself, how do people live in this place? 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 4: The weather here just sucks? What explains to me when 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 4: you know, like when I'm in obviously, when I'm Australia, 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 4: or if I'm in the US and there's a beautiful 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 4: day right and you just see you just know the 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 4: English tourists because they're the ones that have literally like 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 4: third degree burns on them because they are so happy 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 4: to finally see sun that they just lie there for 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 4: hours or just walk around for hours because they never 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 4: see the sun in this country. And I'm not kidding you. 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 4: I've seen the sun very minimally since I've been here. 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 4: So I don't want, you know, anyone from the UK 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 4: to start like bagging me on Twitter. But you've got 19 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 4: to admit the weather kind of sucks here, but the 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 4: people are nice, so that's what makes up for it. 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I think, for whatever reason, every time I've 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: ever been over for Wimbledon, it seems like the most 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: amazing thing happens, and the weather's incredible and it's funny, 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: and it stays nice until nine pm and there's like 25 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: a tiny hint of it, like a little bit of 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: crispness in the air. 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: That's perfect. 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: And so maybe it's just that the weather cooperates, it's 29 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: for the fortnite, and then after that it doesn't because 30 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,279 Speaker 2: I've never experienced bad weather there during the summer. 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: In the winter, foggy and gross and nobody likes it. 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 4: When are you getting over here then, because you know, 33 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 4: an h over here, because clearly you're now staying that 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 4: every time you're over here the weather's good, So get 35 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 4: your ass over here. And I know you're coming over 36 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 4: because we're having a great Racket magazine event at Wimbledon. 37 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 4: But I'm hoping I have heard that the weather is 38 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 4: going to be fantastic this week, so hopefully fingers crossed 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 4: happens good. 40 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: Well, I'll get there for a middle weekend and I've 41 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: already gotten DMS, and if you are lucky enough to 42 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 2: be in my good graces, I will include you on 43 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: the invitation, so you know, reach out if you are 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: going to be there, and I'll make sure you get 45 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: a spot. So let's get right to it. What an 46 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: amazing interview you have this week. This is somebody we've 47 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: wanted to talk to for a really long time. This 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: is the number one player in the world, Fantec's friend 49 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: and essentially mentalist. This woman is, by a lot of 50 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: people's understanding, really truly responsible for a lot of the 51 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: success that EGA has had as a person, not only 52 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: a tennis player, but as a human being, really grappling 53 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: with success and fame. What can you tell us about 54 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: going into this conversation. I know you guys were trying 55 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: to have it for quite a while. Yeah. 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 5: So Daria Abramovich, who is Egish. 57 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 4: John Tech's therapist, sports psychologist, whatever you want to call her, 58 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 4: you know, was a very good sailor in her own right, 59 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 4: growing up wanting to sort of go to the Olympics 60 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff, and a terrible injury 61 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 4: happened to her when she was eighteen, and so she thought, 62 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 4: you know, how do I stay in sports? And she 63 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 4: went into psychology and got a master's degree in psychology 64 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 4: and is now you know, is working with a number 65 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 4: of sports athletes, not just Eager, but obviously her main 66 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: focus now is on Eager because she's traveling a lot 67 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 4: with Eager, but she has a number of people that 68 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 4: work underneath her as well. So Daria is just a 69 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 4: fantastic person. I've spent a lot of time talking to 70 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 4: her through the years, and you know, one of the 71 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 4: things that I really appreciate about Daria and Eager is 72 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 4: that you know, they're willing to sort of be curious. 73 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 4: And you'll hear that in the podcast about being curious 74 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 4: and about wanting to know more information. And you know, 75 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: the bottom line is, you know, her goal is to 76 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 4: make and get Eager show on tech to be in 77 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 4: the best mental place that she can be to play 78 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: her tennis. And clearly she has done a fabulous job, 79 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 4: along with obviously Thomas Wookearowski, who is her current coach, 80 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 4: in getting her to be in a place in a 81 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 4: space where she feels really comfortable, really good, and clearly 82 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 4: the results are showing. 83 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: One of the things that I like so much about 84 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: this conversation is I feel like one of the things 85 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: that you're so great about is using these conversations with 86 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: these exceptional people who are in and around the tennis 87 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: world to really kind of create lessons for all of 88 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: us and I feel like that with Daria in particular 89 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: is something that I'm listening for too, which is just 90 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: this idea that you know, happiness, balance, preparation, but also 91 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 2: being in sort of like a flow state is something 92 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: that's accessible to everybody, you know. 93 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons I like so much when 94 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: we talk about doubles. 95 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: Or legends or things about the game that feel like 96 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: somebody else can sort of walk into, whether they're an 97 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: elite athlete or not. And I think for me, I 98 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: hope that everybody's seeing the results that EGA has seen 99 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: in the last couple of years, and not only that 100 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: sees how happy she is. And I'm thinking a lot 101 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: about the couple of Grand Slam winners that we've had, 102 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: especially on the women's tour, like you know, probably with 103 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: the exception of Ash Barty, like not a lot of 104 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: them have looked super pumped to be there. Maybe, And 105 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: I think, you know, one of the things that I 106 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 2: love so much about watching Ega is she just so 107 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: clearly is enjoying herself and enjoying your time and seems 108 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: to have the right perspective. And I have to I 109 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: have to think that Daria is and this approach is 110 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: a lot has a lot to do with that, Oh. 111 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 4: One hundred percent, There's no doubt about it. And one 112 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 4: of the things that we've talked to and she actually 113 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 4: brings it up a few times in the podcast, but 114 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 4: you know in talking to me, is that she even 115 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 4: brings up when I say, one of the things that 116 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 4: I am always very cognizant of with my players that 117 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 4: I work with and even clearly myself as a player, 118 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 4: is that you've got to have joy for what you do, 119 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 4: and you have to have passion. But really the most 120 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 4: important thing is if you don't have joy in your 121 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 4: as you said, in your life, in your relationship, in 122 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 4: your job, it's hard to imagine you'll have a tremendous 123 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 4: amount of sets in whatever it is. So that's sort 124 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 4: of like where we touch upon. Throughout the part. You know, 125 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 4: you'll hear her talk about the importance of finding joy 126 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 4: and what you do and you know, and always bringing 127 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 4: it back to the human interaction being a good person. 128 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 4: When's the losses don't define you, happiness to find you. Yeah, 129 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 4: I think that's really important. It's very hard to get 130 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 4: to that space, I have to tell you, as a 131 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 4: professional tennis player, as a professional anybody who's in a 132 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: highly strong environment. But I think she's helped Eager with 133 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 4: finding that joy in what she does in an everyday way. 134 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: Something truly for all of us. All Right, without further introduction, 135 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: here is Renee's chat this week from Birmingham with Daria abrama. 136 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 4: Bit Birmingham, Yes, did I say right Birmingham? 137 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 5: Yep? You did? 138 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: Practically British? All right, Well, hold on to your hats 139 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: the UK. I'll be in you soon. 140 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 4: I want to welcome Daria Abramovich. Did I get that 141 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 4: name right? 142 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 6: Perfect? 143 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 5: All right? 144 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 4: That's that's important because you know, Polish names are not 145 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 4: easy to say. 146 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 7: But I want to say thank you, Daria, say Tom Viktor. 147 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, Thomas, not bad, Daria, Thanks for joining me today. 148 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 4: It's been quite the well let's say, three months, well 149 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 4: almost two years really for you. But first of all, 150 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 4: I want to introduce you. You, of course, are the 151 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 4: sports psychologists or psychologists for Eager Shiantech, as well as 152 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 4: many other great sports people over the last few years. 153 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 4: But the first question I always ask people that come 154 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 4: onto my podcast is why tennis? 155 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 5: Right? 156 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: But you are a whole different story. So first of all, 157 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 4: a little bit about your background as a sports athlete 158 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 4: before we get into what you're. 159 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 6: Doing now, Oh, how much same do you have? 160 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 5: Oh as long as you want. 161 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 6: I I was. 162 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 7: I was born at a in the small city in Poland, 163 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 7: at the longest lake in Poland. And my first sport 164 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 7: and my love of my life in sports is sailing. 165 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 7: I was sailing since I was six and I had 166 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 7: my own competitive path in sailing. I won't say career 167 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 7: because well, I stopped when I was eighteen. I got injured. 168 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 7: I fell from a trailer, broke my wrist. And then 169 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 7: I thought I was eighteen, and I thought, maybe there 170 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 7: is a way to you know, still be in sports 171 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 7: after the twelve or so years, maybe like use this experience, 172 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 7: do something about it. So a kind of a natural transition. 173 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 6: At this time was to become a coach. 174 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 7: So I was very young, I still was, you know, 175 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 7: just before college. A lot of a lot of things happening. 176 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 6: I was. 177 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 7: I was coaching in sailing for ten years or so, 178 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 7: and then figuring it out that maybe that there's something. 179 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 6: More in sport. 180 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 7: I felt that even when I was still sailing. And 181 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 7: then I want to talk about sports a little bit differently. 182 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 7: See this that I'm seeing kind of from different angles. 183 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 6: I see it in a different way. 184 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 7: And I decided to after studying sport, I decided to 185 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 7: pursue psychology, and so here I am right now working 186 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 7: as a sports and performance psychologist, but having this i'd 187 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 7: say a lot of experience in many different roles in sport. 188 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, so. 189 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 4: You know, it's I want to get into a little 190 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 4: bit of your performance as a as a high level athlete, 191 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 4: as a sailor, and then your injury comes. 192 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 5: How did that. 193 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 4: Past for you help you today understand the mindset of 194 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 4: an athlete rather than sometimes sports athletes or sports psychologists 195 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 4: really just study psychology and then they go into. 196 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 5: The sports world. But you we're. 197 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 4: In the sports world prior. How does that help you today? 198 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's it's it helps tremendously. It's just 199 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 7: something that I think on many occasions makes me really 200 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 7: reliable in my work. And I kind of, you know, 201 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 7: see this when athlete or coach or a parent is 202 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 7: actually approaching me and we're talking and someone says something 203 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 7: to me, and I just say, I understand. In like 204 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 7: ninety percent situations, I really understand because either I've been there, 205 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 7: I saw this I've experienced it before, but it only 206 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 7: and I think that the thing that I'm going to 207 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 7: say right now is very important for any coach or parent, 208 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 7: or psychologist or even athlete. The most important thing here 209 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 7: is it's only a tool once you work through it. 210 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 7: Because injury in sport, ending career in this in this 211 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 7: way might be disturbing as well. So what I did, 212 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 7: I went to a therapy first. 213 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 6: And this is. 214 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 7: Something that everyone who's working in sports should remember. That 215 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 7: experience might be an asset only when it's a closed 216 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 7: chapter for us, when it's you know, down deal. 217 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 4: So you're saying that once you finished your career because 218 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 4: of a severe injury, you had to get mental help 219 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 4: for that to process the next life for you. 220 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 7: More, I'd say I understood that if I want to 221 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 7: be a good coach or later a good psychologist potentially 222 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 7: and do ethically and professionally what I'm doing, it's necessary 223 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 7: for me to be on the same page with all 224 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 7: of my experiences, you know, to get them sorted out 225 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 7: and to feel comfortable with my past and everything that 226 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 7: has happened. 227 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 6: And that's what I did basically. 228 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, so how did you therefore get involved with eager 229 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 4: Shrian Tech and her coaching crew. 230 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 5: How did that come about? 231 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 7: Well, it was twenty nineteen, I think it was February 232 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 7: or so, and one of the people who were at 233 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 7: the time part of her management team approached me and 234 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 7: told me that there's this athlete, displayer who saw was 235 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 7: very challenging in terms of working with that. I remember 236 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 7: this vividly, like this person said that she's tough, Like 237 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 7: what doesn't mean that she's tough in terms of approaching 238 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 7: her or something, But that was it, and I said, 239 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 7: well immediately that of course I know who she is 240 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 7: because I was following her career as one of very 241 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 7: promising Polish athletes at the time, and I agreed. I 242 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 7: flew to Budapest she was playing the tournament. She says nowadays, 243 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 7: she says that she was surprised and glad that someone 244 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 7: was willing to fly somewhere to meet her, and that's 245 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 7: how it started. 246 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 4: What surprised you immediately about her? Other than the fact 247 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 4: that she was already grateful that you took the time 248 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 4: to come and spend time with her, And how does 249 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 4: that shape her as a person? 250 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 7: Well, I'd say two things, and one i'd say from 251 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 7: more like psychological perspectives. So I was impressed by how 252 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 7: open minded and aware of what she wants she is 253 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 7: in terms even of you know, including mental preparation. And 254 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 7: she was immediately kind of curious, and in the following 255 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 7: months she agreed with my philosophy in my approach to 256 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 7: the of things that we could we could do together. 257 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 7: And then as an athlete or a coach. I'll tell 258 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 7: you this once I saw her for the first time 259 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 7: in court, and I think you probably will agree with 260 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 7: me on that, is that this fire impressed me that 261 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 7: she has in her It's amazing. It was always and 262 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 7: I still I love watch her on court. 263 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 6: Still. 264 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, as a psychologist, but also as a 265 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 4: human being, is curiosity one of the most important things, 266 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: certainly as a young player that you feel that they 267 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: want to know more about how they can get better. 268 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, but I don't think that it's only for young players. 269 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 7: I think it's for everyone, even you know, the great champions. 270 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 7: If a great champion is still curious of what's going 271 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 7: on and what might you know he or she might 272 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 7: be doing differently or better or maybe something new, I 273 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 7: think that's one of the best factors that you can 274 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 7: have in sports. 275 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 4: Is it important for you because one of the things 276 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 4: that I talk about with my players that I coach is, 277 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 4: you know, I often say to them, how are you 278 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: feeling today? And you have to be honest with me 279 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 4: because I can't help you if you're not honest with me. 280 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 4: So is that one of the things that you are 281 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 4: very adamant with IgA is tell me how you're feeling 282 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 4: today for me to be able to help you. And 283 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 4: also not only from a psychology standpoint, but from a 284 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 4: coaching standpoint. 285 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 7: First things first, you know are working with top sport nowadays. 286 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 7: From my standpoint, it's a lot about building a relationship 287 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 7: between coach and the player, physio and the player, psychologist, nutritionist, 288 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 7: anyone who's involved with the process manager. And this is 289 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 7: the part of building a relationship being you know, well 290 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 7: curious in terms of being a coach or a psychologist 291 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 7: of how. 292 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 6: A player feels. 293 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 7: But also I'm asking a lot of questions like what 294 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 7: funny or what interesting happened to you today, what's the 295 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 7: best thing that you've achieved today? 296 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 6: Did you learn anything? 297 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 7: This is something that happens, you know, for example, once 298 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 7: the kid is the kid comes back from school and 299 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 7: a parent that's how was school And the kid says 300 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 7: good but okay, fine, But also this parent can ask 301 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 7: a completely different question, did you learn anything new? What 302 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 7: was the most interesting thing that happened to you today? 303 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 7: And it makes and it just shifts conversation completely and 304 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 7: something in something very similar happens in sports. I think 305 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 7: it's a very fundamental part of building a healthy relationship 306 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 7: and it really helps coaches, parents, sometimes psychologists or I 307 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 7: don't know, managers to address expectations and needs players expectations 308 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 7: and needs better. 309 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, what on tour in surprises you the most about 310 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 4: a lot of the personalities that you see? And I 311 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 4: know you you and I talk quite a bit, but 312 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 4: you know, sometimes you'll just talk about certain other players 313 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 4: and what you're seeing, what you're feeling, what's the what's 314 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 4: the thing that surprises you the most out here on tour? 315 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 7: Hmhmm. 316 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 6: Stubbornness, I'd say. 317 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 5: In what respect. 318 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 7: In a different matter, it's it's not the same as 319 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 7: grit and determination. I'd say being a little bit stubborn, 320 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 7: as some is sometimes repeating the same patterns all the 321 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 7: time and maybe not being so open minded to change 322 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 7: some things or trying to be focused more on solving 323 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 7: problems and not on the problem itself. 324 00:17:54,640 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 8: So in in this area, I'd say. 325 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 2: As anyone who's been following along this show knows, Renee 326 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: and I both went pretty hard in the paint in March, 327 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: not necessarily eating our best or living our post healthy 328 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 2: balanced lives. 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So what would you tell a parent 355 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 4: or a young kid who's coming up trying to be 356 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 4: a good tennis player, Like, what would you tell them about, 357 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 4: you know, the mind and how important that is to 358 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 4: work on as a young kid. 359 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 7: Probably the same thing that you're texting me from time 360 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 7: to time. Enjoy fun, I was asked. I was asked 361 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 7: the same question a couple of days ago during a 362 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 7: conference and lecture with business High Performance Business, and that 363 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 7: was the same question, what would you say these people 364 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 7: or you know, at the at the end of the day, 365 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 7: when they are so focused on their performance, And I'd say, 366 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 7: enjoy find this. 367 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 6: This is something that at the end of the. 368 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 7: Day will help to to learn better, to create proper 369 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 7: your patterns, better routines better, but also navigate through challenges 370 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 7: and crisises potentially, because in high performance sports, this is 371 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 7: something that that's a you know, this is a circle 372 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 7: of life. It's just happened. It just happens sometimes, the crisis, 373 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 7: the struggle, the challenge. So I'd say, yeah, find the joy. 374 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 5: So how do you help Ega in that respect? 375 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 4: Someone so young, someone with so much ex expectation on 376 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 4: her shoulders. She had that tremendous win a few years 377 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 4: ago winning the French what's the difference. What do you 378 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 4: feel the difference is between her winning the French Open 379 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 4: a couple of years ago and today. 380 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 6: This is such a good question. 381 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 7: We've been talking about it the other day, you know, 382 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 7: and I myself, like personally, it makes me so happy, 383 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 7: this one so proud because in twenty twenty we knew 384 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 7: and we had this goal somewhere right a long term, 385 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 7: that she's able to win this sort of tournament, the 386 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 7: Grand Slam. But it still was surprising in many areas, 387 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 7: right it was. Yeah, but this time it was all work, work, work, work, 388 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 7: and just so you know, like everything, we tried to plan, accept, 389 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 7: execute everything, and embrace it. And I sensed that we 390 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 7: were we managed to do that, we were able to 391 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 7: work through it. She was number one, she was clear favorite, 392 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 7: She had a lot of pressure on her. There was 393 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 7: a lot of things around and we were all as 394 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 7: a team because that was tremendous team work here. 395 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 6: We were able to do this. 396 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 7: So it makes me really pride because I sense work 397 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 7: through it, you know. 398 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 399 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 4: So the first time she won, obviously zero expectation. Crazy 400 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 4: that she was able to win the French Open, you know, 401 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 4: three years ago or two years ago, no crowd, right, 402 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 4: very different sort of smaller crowd, mask wearing during the 403 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 4: pandemic and this time. 404 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 5: Wow, all the pressure. 405 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 4: So what do you think she learned about herself then 406 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 4: over these last you know, particularly three months, but really 407 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: the last two weeks of winning the French because that 408 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 4: was totally different. 409 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 7: Well, definitely a lot about you know what Miikayla's cheffer 410 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 7: in offenses, low expectations, high standards. So definitely that implementing 411 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 7: this philosophy makes all the friends that being solowly focused 412 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 7: on her strengths and and keeping high standards in a 413 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 7: lot of areas that are crucial to maintain high performance. 414 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 7: This is something that is that is the key. And 415 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 7: also you know, during the tournament itself, I think it 416 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 7: was more about recovery and keeping all the tanks filled 417 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 7: up and their energy level on the proper level done 418 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 7: then like practicing and doing other things. 419 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 6: So basically there is that too. 420 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I wish I could bottle a 421 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 4: lot of you know, the conversations that you and I 422 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 4: have sometimes, and also you know, I hear from parents 423 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 4: and I see how intense they are with their kids. 424 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 4: How how do you think, you know, how why is 425 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 4: eager able to at this age really sustain this now 426 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 4: week in and week out? So so well, And I 427 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 4: mean this is somebody who's talked about she can cry easily. 428 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 7: She was. 429 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 4: I mean I saw her the day that she knew 430 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 4: that she was going to be number one in Miami. 431 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 4: Remember she had that scared look on her face because 432 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 4: it was like, well, this overwhelmingness. 433 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 7: But because over a one hundred people are processed in 434 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 7: Miami and since you know, you could you could feel 435 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 7: it that the world is turning on its axis. 436 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 6: It was. 437 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 7: It was so surprising and so so weird at the time. 438 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 7: So that's why she had this placet. 439 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 5: So what was the first what was the most important? 440 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 4: Do you feel the conversation that you had with her 441 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 4: in those moments when you knew that was going to happen. 442 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 4: What was super important for you to get across to 443 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 4: her becoming number one? 444 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 7: Yes, focusing again, being focused on the thing that we 445 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 7: can control and she can control, so her performance, her recovery, 446 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 7: being good to herself, being mindful, keeping things very simple, 447 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 7: and you know she was she she actually said that publicly. 448 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 7: She was she was so sad. She was so sorry 449 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 7: for Ash at the beginning. That was her instant reaction. 450 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:06,239 Speaker 2: Uh. 451 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 7: And a lot of conversation actually was about helping understand 452 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 7: why Ash might made this decision because I don't I 453 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 7: don't know write the details, but I remember you talked 454 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 7: a little bit eager about it too, so it helped 455 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 7: a lot. But we had a lot of conversations about 456 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 7: that too, so she'd understand what happened, because Ega is 457 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 7: this type of type of person who wants to understand. 458 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, curious again, right, yes, right, yeah, So where's 459 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 4: the mindset? Well, before we get into the mindset, now, 460 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 4: I want to know what one of your what's your 461 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 4: favorite memory? I think probably about a week ago might 462 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 4: have been one of your favorite memories. But what's one 463 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 4: of the favorite memories that you have from your time 464 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 4: with EGA that you sat back at night and went, 465 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 4: I made a difference to life. 466 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 7: There was this one practice in twenty twenty in Paris 467 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 7: jan one second day I think, so like five days 468 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 7: before the first match of the tournament, and there was 469 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 7: this conversation. Obviously I won't say the details, but that 470 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 7: was a mindstone for me and I and I have 471 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 7: this in my mind and I'm getting to it many 472 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 7: many times. I was so impressed. Also when I loved 473 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 7: the moment last year. I think it was Indian Wells 474 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 7: October tenth because it's my birthday and she decided to 475 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 7: donate some money for mental health organizations. It's not like, 476 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 7: you know, sports memory, but that's also one that it's 477 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 7: important for me. And yeah, maybe even winning Rome this 478 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 7: year for me because that was the tournament when she well, 479 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 7: you know, was met with this incredible pressure being number one, 480 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 7: being defending champion. You're like just walking through the tunnel, 481 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 7: you know, and you saw this huge photo of you 482 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 7: holding the trophy previous year. Enormous pressure a lot of 483 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 7: Polish people, a lot of Polish fans understands. And then 484 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 7: she still was able to deliver very good performance and 485 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 7: again control the controllables. That was something that really will 486 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 7: stick with me. 487 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 6: For a long time. 488 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot of these memories, you know. I 489 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 7: think every single day we might make a difference if 490 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 7: we tried to do our work just simply stick to it. 491 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 4: So I was gonna ask you what you know to 492 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 4: talk me through how you balance winning and losing? 493 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 5: I mean, she hasn't lost for a long time. 494 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 4: So you haven't actually deal with I mean I haven't 495 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 4: had to deal with that for a long time, but 496 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 4: clearly she's lost before. How does she accept that? And 497 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 4: how do you, as a psychologist try and balance because 498 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 4: you know how hard it is out here. I know 499 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 4: how hard it is out here to balance the winning 500 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 4: and losing. 501 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 7: You know how it is when they think that they're 502 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 7: as good as their last match, right, It was always so, 503 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 7: even when I was a sailor, you know. And in 504 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 7: saying there is completely different system with like points like 505 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 7: places and winning losing. And when I was watching tennis 506 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 7: as a teenager, I remember finals and the player who's 507 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 7: actually losing the final, Like, what are the very first 508 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 7: emotions that happened to be there? It's frustration and sadness, 509 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 7: it's anger. Sometimes it's not thinking I'm second in the tournament. 510 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 7: So basically, I mean, at the end of every single tournament, 511 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 7: there is only one person who might be like fully 512 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 7: happy and satisfied. And it's tough having so manys on 513 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 7: tour every single year with this sense and this feeling, 514 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 7: if you'll think about it from other sports perspective for example. 515 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 7: So what I'm trying to do is to show this 516 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 7: different perspective that the player is a human being, and 517 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 7: the player doesn't mean that he or she is her 518 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 7: performance winner or a loser. It just means that he 519 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 7: or she won or lost a match, a tennis match 520 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 7: that happened. That it happens that you know, he or 521 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 7: she'll have like so many so many more in the 522 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 7: season throughout the season. It might be a lesson or 523 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 7: it might be a burden. It's just the matter of perception. 524 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 7: So and the other thing that I really try to 525 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 7: implement is to show that tennis it's just it doesn't 526 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 7: disturb a life, a person's part of life, or sometimes 527 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 7: it helps to run fun a little bit different adventurous life. 528 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's really hard. Obviously, I know how it feels. 529 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 4: Because I did it for twenty two years. Is that 530 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 4: you really feel like I loved the line that you said, 531 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 4: you feel like as good as your last match and 532 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 4: most of the time you're losing. You know, not everybody 533 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 4: wins every week. You know, they're a very rare specimen. 534 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously IgA has had that enjoyment of not 535 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 4: losing a match for a long time, but she will 536 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 4: lose a match at some point. It's not letting it 537 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 4: define you as a person, but it is so hard, 538 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 4: and to pull people off the floor sometimes when they've 539 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 4: lost a match is very different. You talked about in 540 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 4: an interview the human anchor. Can you explain that to 541 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 4: me and how important that is for a tennis fuyer 542 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 4: or just anybody in general. 543 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 7: Mm hmm Again Mikaila Schifferent. She says that an athlete 544 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 7: shouldn't be a lonely person. That the being in sports 545 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 7: and doing this it's so challenging. 546 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 6: It's so hard. 547 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 7: And with tennis I think, you know, constantly changing times obviously, 548 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 7: I mean tour level right, constantly changing changing time, zones, surfaces, space, places, courts. 549 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 7: It's so important from you know, our human point of 550 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 7: view to to have the social support network that is 551 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 7: able to anchor you, so you're able to have the score. 552 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 7: The other metaphor that I was like using, you know, 553 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 7: is once you have a tornado or cyclone, is that 554 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 7: there is always the center of a tornado or a 555 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 7: sitement that's there is very very it's very calm there. 556 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 7: And having the score this home space inside everything. 557 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 6: That might be like you know, there might be a 558 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 6: whirl wind around you. 559 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 7: It's something that just helps to be anchored. Yeah, this 560 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 7: in this challenging world, they think, and it actually is 561 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 7: connected not only to tennis, but also to other sports 562 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 7: or other professions that we're doing in our lives. 563 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 4: One thing about that, you know, I've spoken about you 564 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 4: and I've spoken about it as also coaching and how 565 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 4: important it is to have the right coaches around you, 566 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 4: ones that are not negative, ones that are not abusive. 567 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 4: We see it all the time on tour. We see negative, 568 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 4: you know, people kind of screaming and yelling at their players. 569 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 4: Something a little bit on Thomas and the difference that 570 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 4: he's made with Eager and bringing his experience and how 571 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 4: you guys work together and how that has helped Eager 572 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 4: because you're saying you need an anchor. You need a 573 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 4: good team, you need a positive team and one that 574 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 4: you really. 575 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 5: Feel safe with. 576 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 4: So what was the difference between because she obviously worked 577 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 4: a long time with Petro, who was a really lovely guy. 578 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 4: But so where's the difference and what's been the difference 579 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 4: with having Thomas with Kski? 580 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 5: Oh? 581 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 3: That was that was a good one, actually, I you know, 582 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 3: I think all of us we embraced this, this experience. 583 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 7: Really being really again curious and and open minded and 584 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 7: Thomas with his enormous experience, uh, but also his his 585 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 7: confidence and also he's uh very calm demeanor, you know, 586 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 7: like he's so solid and he's he's giving a lot 587 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 7: of a lot of sense of a lot of security 588 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 7: and uh and an expert expertise. I think this is 589 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 7: something that really, uh that that really resonates and and 590 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 7: it's a very and it's a great value the team, 591 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 7: not only EGA, but so for for a lot of us. 592 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 7: And we were able to to start on a very 593 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 7: good note with communication and work on our internal communication 594 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 7: since day one and we talk a lot actually we 595 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 7: I think that's something that is really also you know, 596 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 7: extremely relevant in terms of creating healthy sports teams. So yeah, 597 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 7: and I think that, and I think that Ega and 598 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 7: Thomas they are or they are both like analytical, like 599 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 7: very rational minds, and they are actually clicking pretty good 600 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 7: on this human level. 601 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 6: So yeah, that's it. There's that. 602 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 4: I think what I hear in this is you, Thomas, 603 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 4: of course, the physio, everybody in your team. The main 604 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 4: goal is how do we make our player the happiest 605 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 4: and best and take our own egos out of it. 606 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 5: And I think that's very important for any team that's getting. 607 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 4: Built around a really young, goods solid player, like someone 608 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 4: like an ego. So many right, I mean, you know, 609 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 4: just to bring up Emma Radicano for example, who won 610 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,479 Speaker 4: the US Open last year. You know, it's talk about 611 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 4: a tornado. I mean, it's like a tornado all around. 612 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 4: And I mean you and I see, you know a 613 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 4: lot of dysfunction with these players of not having just 614 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 4: a solid team all the time around them, and how 615 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 4: important it is. 616 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 5: It's super important. 617 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 7: I think we can, you know, see in many sports 618 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 7: how important the team is, even in a very individual 619 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 7: or even solitary sports. I think drives to survive. You know, 620 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 7: Formula one is a proper example. You could see in 621 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 7: the background basically how a lot of people are operating 622 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 7: behind the scenes to create the proper environment for a 623 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 7: driver so he's able to like obviously optimize the potential 624 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 7: in a stressful situation during the competition, during the race. 625 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 7: And also in other sports alpine ski again, so many 626 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 7: people around, you know, cycling, especially roadside. I think this 627 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 7: is so interesting how individual sports becomes the team sport basically, 628 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 7: and I do think that there is this tendency and 629 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 7: we will observe in the following years, we will observe 630 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 7: a little shift on how we will, you know, create 631 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 7: sports teams. And I think tennis is a is a 632 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 7: good example, and you know, yes, I mean we're trying 633 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 7: to create the best possible environment for Ita so she's 634 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 7: able to optimize again her performance and use her potential. 635 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 7: But also we try to be aware that tour is long, 636 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 7: that the career is a marathon, not a sprint, so 637 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 7: we try to complimentarize. We try to close some drawers, 638 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 7: open on other and sometimes shift some stuff and just 639 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 7: have fun at the end of the day, because sport 640 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 7: is challenging. 641 00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 6: Life might be tough. 642 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 7: Even if you think that they're obviously there is a 643 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 7: completely different reality out there when you see like outside 644 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 7: of sports, but for them, for the players, for the coaches, 645 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 7: for the teams, the sport is the most important thing 646 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 7: that they have in their lives. So let's make it 647 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 7: more enjoyable and fun. 648 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 5: That's right. 649 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 4: So how's the enjoyment and the fun going to go 650 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 4: on the grass? 651 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: I hope? 652 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I'm so excited with Thomas's experience 653 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 7: and everything that he'd experienced working with AGA, and he's excited. 654 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 7: We're excited. I hope. It's so nice to have player, 655 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 7: you know that happens to be number one in the world, 656 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 7: and then being aware how much you can how much 657 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 7: you can improve in so many areas. 658 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 6: It's so exciting. I can't it. 659 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 5: That's actually a great way of putting it. 660 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 4: And that you know, as I've spoken about you and 661 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 4: I have friends and eager and I and I've talked 662 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 4: to Thomas, and one of the things that I said was, Wow, 663 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 4: how awesome is that she hasn't lost a match in 664 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 4: like four months, but yet she's got so many things 665 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 4: she can improve on still as far as her game, 666 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 4: you know, the serf, the volleys, and improvement moving into 667 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 4: the net. So it's all an exciting period of her life. 668 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 4: How do how do you keep her so grounded at 669 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 4: this moment? 670 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 7: Oh, she has this from her, you know she it's 671 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 7: I think the thing that we don't talk enough about 672 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 7: is you know, family environment. I think a Niga is 673 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 7: so grounded because of her family. That's something that is absolutely, 674 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 7: absolutely great. And also we talk a lot. 675 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 4: We talk a lot about. 676 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 7: In and not only Igaan and I, but also you know, 677 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 7: with within. 678 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 9: The team about you know, sometimes socialment, political matters, sometimes 679 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 9: sports and what's happening in sports and other things. 680 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 7: And as I said, IgA likes to know. She's curious, 681 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 7: but also she has this approach when before she expresses 682 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 7: her opinion, she wants to educate herself and she wants 683 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 7: to understand. So she wants to know. That's why she is, 684 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 7: you know, reads so much. That's why she's searching for 685 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 7: the knowledge. And it's sometimes you know, challenging because you 686 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 7: have to keep up with her. But I really happy 687 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 7: and excited because that's that's how my mind works too, 688 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 7: So we. 689 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 6: Are able to discuss a lot of things. 690 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 5: Do you keep her off social media? 691 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 7: She? I actually am asked this question a lot, and 692 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 7: I say, you know that we don't want to create 693 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 7: this bubble or cloth our player in a golden cage. 694 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 7: But I want her to be aware. So if she 695 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 7: wants to be off social media because she feels, for example, 696 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 7: that she's overwhelmed or. 697 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 6: That she has too. 698 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 7: Many factors and her nervous system is overloaded, then I 699 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 7: can see that she's Yeah, I will say off social media. 700 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 7: And that's something that you know, is my goal. I 701 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 7: don't want to be the the you know, the person 702 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 7: who says, now it's you have ten minutes and now 703 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 7: you're off, because it just doesn't help us to help 704 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 7: to teach and raise an awareness. This is actually the opposite. 705 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I guess how many calls have you had 706 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 4: to help other people? I'm just curious, you know, do 707 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 4: people make calls to you to want to help them. 708 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 4: Not as far as tennis, because i'd imagine you're off 709 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 4: limits for any other tennis player, but any other sports 710 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 4: approach you. 711 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 7: I actually work with a lot of different athletes. I 712 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 7: mean about twenty or so, so there's a lot of them. 713 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 7: But I run a team, you know, so I stopped 714 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 7: counting the calls. But I have a team, and my 715 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 7: team is awesome, and we try to deliver the best 716 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 7: possible quality. 717 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 4: So you're going to pass on your knowledge to all 718 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 4: these parents today that hopefully listen to this podcast that 719 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 4: it's very important to let your child have a world 720 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 4: rounded life, but also listen to what they say to 721 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 4: you and sometimes don't push them too hard. 722 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, be curious, have fun. 723 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 5: Be curious and have fun. 724 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,879 Speaker 4: Well, you and I always have great conversations together, and 725 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 4: I hope it continues for a long time. It's so 726 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 4: great to see Eager doing what she's doing and the 727 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 4: happiness of the team. And you're also so nice, you know, 728 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 4: from top to bottom. I want to just end on 729 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 4: a little story here that and I want to do 730 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 4: this when I. 731 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 5: Get Eager for the podcast. 732 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 4: But I do want to tell people how nice she 733 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 4: is because she she didn't lend them to me. She 734 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 4: gave me some of her clay court shoes because I 735 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 4: had to play in the old farts and she went 736 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 4: into the locker room and cleaned them for me before 737 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 4: she gave them to me. And I told you the story, 738 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 4: and you said, that's who Eager is. 739 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 6: That's who she is. 740 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, she's just a good kid. 741 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks for saying that I'll tell you. 742 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she was very concerned that there was smelly, 743 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 4: but they weren't smelly. 744 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 5: They were fine. 745 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 4: I've been in many tennis shoes that have been smellier, 746 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 4: So as far as I'm concerned, all I want is 747 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 4: to make sure that the footwork from the shoes has 748 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 4: passed through into my body because I have to play 749 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 4: the legends at Wimbledon as well. So you know, maybe 750 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 4: I'll come to her for some grass court shoes. 751 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 7: I'll tell her to to take a prepare for her 752 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 7: for you. 753 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, just make sure they're smelly. Make sure they're smelly, 754 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,240 Speaker 4: all right, Daria, thanks so much for joining me. Today 755 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 4: has been really enjoyable. I could sit here and talk 756 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 4: to you, you know, you and I could talk for 757 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 4: hours and hours about the philosophies of the mind and tennis. 758 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 4: But I do think over the last I would say, 759 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 4: four or five years with you know, biance and rescue, 760 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 4: you and yourself and a lot of players starting to 761 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 4: talk about the importance because players don't talk about how 762 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 4: much they talk to psychologists, and I think it's vital 763 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,280 Speaker 4: that they talk about it more because it will only 764 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 4: help the younger generation get better, and also happier in 765 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 4: their lives to find that. 766 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 7: Joy. I think the change is here and I'm so 767 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 7: happy to you know, have the opportunity to to speak 768 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 7: myself too, So thank you for having me and hope. 769 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 6: Please see you on the grass. See you in the 770 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 6: next week or so. 771 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, well I won't tell we won't tell anybody where 772 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 4: she's starting, but we'll just tell you she'll definitely be 773 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 4: at Wimbledon, so I'll definitely see you there, my friend. 774 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:26,879 Speaker 6: Thank you so much. 775 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 5: All right, you have a great day. 776 00:43:28,480 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 4: Thanks, thank you, Bye bye bye.