Speaker 1: How you doing, everybody?
Speaker 2: This is Freddy Rodriguez and I am Wilmer Valderrama and
Speaker 2: this is those amigos, those amingos.
Speaker 1: As always, we reflect on what we sipping on. What
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Speaker 3: I make a little tea.
Speaker 4: It consists of tumeric, ginger, cinnamon, a little bit of lemon,
Speaker 4: real lemon juice. I have a lemon tree in my
Speaker 4: front yard, apple cider, vinegar.
Speaker 3: It's it's a little concoction of it.
Speaker 1: Just kind of kept going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's about five different things in here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is pretty amazing for us.
Speaker 3: Good for inflammation.
Speaker 2: Have you ever done the cocau thing, like the drinking
Speaker 2: the you know, the rock cocow kind of tea?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 2: It's supposed to also help with that moot stabilizer supposed
Speaker 2: to be like really great for circulation and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: But the cocau, the rock cockw is think it's like
Speaker 2: a power a power drink.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It kind of.
Speaker 2: Tastes like hot chocolate, but a lot more rock a
Speaker 2: cow hot chocolate.
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Do you do it on a regular I used to
Speaker 2: do it almost weekly and then I ran Now I
Speaker 2: didn't never replenish it, But.
Speaker 3: You go back on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Like my my bro.
Speaker 2: Jonathan Tucker, who's an incredible actor, an amazing friend, and
Speaker 2: one of the most special individuals I know. He you know,
Speaker 2: he definitely, he's like he lives by it. It's like
Speaker 2: a you know, the co cow is his power drink.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a thing that kind of it's like
Speaker 2: a like a a caffeinated is. I think he has
Speaker 2: a little caffeination. But it's like it's it's it's a booster.
Speaker 2: It's it's really really magical. Actually, if you look at
Speaker 2: the properties and all stuff, it's very healing and circulation
Speaker 2: and you know, it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: I gotta check it out. Lines made remember we had
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I actually just bought some more you did.
Speaker 2: So maybe for the next episode, our listeners, we'll go
Speaker 2: into a trip, into a journey with us.
Speaker 1: We will be super focused. Yeah, I can show you.
Speaker 1: I want to show you what I what I got
Speaker 1: because I think you were like it.
Speaker 2: But but first and first and foremost, we took a
Speaker 2: couple of I guess maybe two weeks, three weeks I
Speaker 2: didn't see you.
Speaker 1: I text you. I was having sounds. Yes, dude, I I.
Speaker 2: I've grown emotionally dependent of our conversations.
Speaker 3: Because it's because you don't have any brothers.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what well I do now, Yeah, no, absolutely,
Speaker 2: but I was and I'm for those of you who
Speaker 2: are listening to this, and I'm doing the little googly eyes,
Speaker 2: uh you know, little anime googly eyes when I say
Speaker 2: what I do now.
Speaker 3: Thank you? Brother? I received that. Man.
Speaker 4: Uh, you have no brothers and I have no I
Speaker 4: have no younger brothers and my two brothers are a
Speaker 4: lot older than me, so I very much grew up alone.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Thus, thus the.
Speaker 2: Hey, Freddy, did you like sometimes like do you sometimes
Speaker 2: like like sometimes like you sometimes think of me?
Speaker 1: So uh speaking of you know, uh missing our conversations.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: What has been the feedback on the on the podcast
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Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: So incredibly positive. I had a cousin who I don't
Speaker 4: really speak to, not for any particular reason, but she
Speaker 4: lives in New York I live here, and she was
Speaker 4: saying that the podcast that we had on mental health
Speaker 4: helped her so much and it really resonated with.
Speaker 3: Her, and I thought that Wow.
Speaker 4: I thought, wow, here's someone who I barely speak to,
Speaker 4: who who felt the need to reach out to me
Speaker 4: and to tell me that. But people are having fun.
Speaker 4: You're having fun just kind of listening to it. I
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Speaker 1: Third chair to me, go here and yeah, there are
Speaker 1: dinner with us.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, man. So it's been pretty positive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, same same here.
Speaker 2: And I think that this is for those who are
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Speaker 2: You know, we made this for you, and uh, I
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Speaker 1: We we also wanted and needed this. But yeah, really
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Speaker 2: we we'd love to dive into it in future episodes. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: How does it work, Leo? How does yeah valiation work?
Speaker 3: What do you know about blunt?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Exactly. By the way, what is a blunt, yeah, Leo?
Speaker 5: A blunt is yeah, let me define.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming a blunt rotation is when somebody is sharing
Speaker 2: a smoking device and it goes around the room and
Speaker 2: every time someone holds it something is supposed to be said.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 6: Kind of, Yeah, it's more more or less just saying, like,
Speaker 6: you know, if you had a room full of people,
Speaker 6: who do you want there?
Speaker 5: Who do you want in that that circle?
Speaker 1: In that circle?
Speaker 5: Who and what are they bringing to the rotation?
Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of speaking of blunts though, I can actually,
Speaker 2: you know, this is hilarious because you know, on seventy show,
Speaker 2: we used to have this circle downstairs in the basement.
Speaker 1: And everyone was like, cool, so are you guys?
Speaker 2: You guys smoking, you know, and we uh and to
Speaker 2: be honest, like you never saw smoking.
Speaker 1: You know, there was this mysterious smoke in the room.
Speaker 2: We thought it was just a refrigerator overheating and to
Speaker 2: smoke downstairs, so we never we never addressed, uh, the
Speaker 2: smoke in the room.
Speaker 1: Yes, they say, uh, so I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: I also, uh, I hate to be the boring guy,
Speaker 2: but I've actually never I've never smoked in my life.
Speaker 3: You've never smoked? You never smoked?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never smoked greeds, you know, and nothing.
Speaker 2: Obviously I have nothing against it or anything, but it's
Speaker 2: it's just for some reason, I was too busy learning
Speaker 2: how speaking, and I think.
Speaker 1: I never dabbled on it.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: But but going back to the full circle of this thing,
Speaker 2: how many people should we pick three? Or we were
Speaker 2: like as many of people in the circle as we want.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna just throw off different archetypes of people and
Speaker 6: let's see who ends up passing that blunt.
Speaker 2: For those of you who are listening to Leo's Boys,
Speaker 2: he is a early producer. He's also the head of
Speaker 2: our podcast division, a WV A WV Sound, which is
Speaker 2: our podcast company. But anyways, Leo's So, I've never done it.
Speaker 1: So I've never.
Speaker 3: I can't smoke weed. I get paranoid.
Speaker 1: You do, Yeah, what's that like?
Speaker 3: PoID?
Speaker 1: Oh? Really?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What comes to mind? How does it?
Speaker 3: I just I don't relax. It's the opposite. You know.
Speaker 4: Some people smoke because it makes them relax. It does
Speaker 4: the absolute opposite. It makes me anxious. It gets me paranoid.
Speaker 4: I can't sit. I you know, I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 4: I'm a control freak.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe because I'm always hustling.
Speaker 4: I've you know, I've had kids at such a young age,
Speaker 4: so I always have to be responsible, and so my
Speaker 4: brain goes to this other place that.
Speaker 3: Is not comfortable. I mean, and no matter what, like
Speaker 3: I've tried.
Speaker 4: I've tried gummies to sleep, you know, because sometimes I
Speaker 4: suffer from insomnia and even anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, the cannabis are gummies.
Speaker 4: The cannabis, gummies, anything with THC, like whether it's smoking
Speaker 4: or like, it just doesn't affect me. It doesn't agree
Speaker 4: with me right. And I've had people say to me, oh,
Speaker 4: you're just smoking.
Speaker 3: The wrong strain.
Speaker 4: You're just it's sativa versus whatever the other one is,
Speaker 4: you know, And I've tried it on and it all
Speaker 4: affects me the same. So it's just my body doesn't
Speaker 4: agree with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I yeah, I can.
Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing that I can relate it
Speaker 2: to for me is if I have too much caffeine,
Speaker 2: I'm having this anxiety like something.
Speaker 1: Bad's gonna happen, something that's gonna happen, Like I can.
Speaker 3: How many cups a day do you drink?
Speaker 2: Let's see, I think not done many, but I like,
Speaker 2: for example, when I'm at work, I'll do one in
Speaker 2: the morning, I'll do one in the afternoon, and then
Speaker 2: in the evening I kind of crave a cappuccino after dinner,
Speaker 2: and I'll just sell a cappuccino and I'll still.
Speaker 1: Go to sleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm one.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: If I'm working.
Speaker 4: If I'm working like a fourteen hour day, maybe one
Speaker 4: after after lunch, but otherwise I'll stay dude.
Speaker 2: By the way, I did a movie in Italy and
Speaker 2: the whole entire crew was an Italian crew and it
Speaker 2: was exper It was an expresso festival on set.
Speaker 3: Like what do you mean, like how like that like the.
Speaker 2: Crafty where they would have all the snacks and you know,
Speaker 2: the breads and like you know, the chips or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, in every production, in every set,
Speaker 2: you know, when you're shooting, they have a designated corner
Speaker 2: where they have the snacks for everybody, you know on
Speaker 2: the sets. So while during the day you can make
Speaker 2: yourself a sand rich, you can grab a snack or whatever.
Speaker 2: In Italy they have straight up an express a machine
Speaker 2: like like.
Speaker 3: A cart or something.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, just like daddy can't express the machine
Speaker 2: not like a drip coffee or like a regular coffee
Speaker 2: drip or whatever.
Speaker 3: But is somebody making it or do you have to
Speaker 3: make it yourself?
Speaker 1: You can make it yourself.
Speaker 2: Mostly have somebody making you an expresso shirt and like
Speaker 2: they do the expresso shot and they put like how
Speaker 2: much how many? How many teaspoons of sugar and it's
Speaker 2: like the coffee this little like uh get one, I
Speaker 2: guess put the sugar. They like liquid candy. So I
Speaker 2: was shooting this movie and I ended up having like.
Speaker 1: Five or six of those a day. Damn is it
Speaker 1: like rocket fuel?
Speaker 2: It was more than rocket fuel. My performance in that
Speaker 2: movie is incredible.
Speaker 1: My performance incredible, incredible. The movie.
Speaker 2: The movie is called A Sudden Case of Christmas and
Speaker 2: it's from the direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah Hulu, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And the and the movie is directed by the director
Speaker 2: of Certain The Pity, And it was Danny de Vito
Speaker 2: and Lucy de Vito. Yeah, uh, Antonella and you know,
Speaker 2: it's an incredible cast and the McDonald and because Asuniga,
Speaker 2: and you know, just a bunch of amazing homies.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But my performance was so good and I also had
Speaker 2: to play the paranoid that it really really worked. But anyways,
Speaker 2: back to this, uh the passing so leo, So, what
Speaker 2: is a blunt rotation?
Speaker 1: Like, what is that? What is how does that work?
Speaker 1: What does that metaphor? What is that? What does that mean?
Speaker 5: You know, it's something those gen z rs are kind
Speaker 5: of trying to.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's on fire in the gens.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I don't know if blunds are back,
Speaker 6: but the saying is back.
Speaker 2: It's here saying wait ants blunts are back? Is that
Speaker 2: where the kids are doing that?
Speaker 1: Again? There it goes the.
Speaker 6: Neighborhood, but it's kind of like it's essentially just like
Speaker 6: a prompt of being like, oh, that person has the
Speaker 6: vibes that they would be someone fun I'd want to
Speaker 6: hang out with.
Speaker 2: So blood rotation is like like a hang the hangout
Speaker 2: with people that you want to share something with, right, So.
Speaker 6: Like exactly it could be like full like animals, like anything. Okay,
Speaker 6: so I'm gonna list off different archetypes of things.
Speaker 5: I get it, I get it, you get it?
Speaker 1: Cool?
Speaker 3: Yes, just do it?
Speaker 5: To start?
Speaker 6: Uh, which childhood TV character do you would you want
Speaker 6: at the circle?
Speaker 5: Would they be bringing snacks? What are they bringing? What
Speaker 5: are they bringing to the table? Why would you want them.
Speaker 1: Their childhood TV character?
Speaker 2: I would I would say, I hate to be this predictable,
Speaker 2: but if if I'm gonna go with childhood characters, I
Speaker 2: would probably say desier Nas because I feel like he
Speaker 2: would have so many crazy stories.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking about someone else, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like my, my, my childhood characters are
Speaker 2: super predictable, you know, I would say, I would say, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would say Dozier Nants, I bet you have some
Speaker 2: crazy stories and yeah, and I probably talk about his
Speaker 2: Cuba days, you know, and write that could be really
Speaker 2: interesting to me.
Speaker 4: Hmm, wow, that's a that's a really good question trying
Speaker 4: to think of like what shows when I was a
Speaker 4: kid resonated enough with me?
Speaker 1: God?
Speaker 3: What did I watch when I was a kid?
Speaker 1: Like Chips all the too?
Speaker 4: I just, you know, what's always fascinating to me whenever
Speaker 4: I meet those actors like in real life, Like I
Speaker 4: just always want to know what like like how was
Speaker 4: it for you back then?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: Like I just always want to know what their journey
Speaker 4: was and compare it to my journey. So I'd love
Speaker 4: to just have a bunch of old school like Latin
Speaker 4: guys who came before us, like like you said, like
Speaker 4: DESI right and go what was that?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: Man? I mean we kind of know.
Speaker 4: The surface stories, right, we know the but like what,
Speaker 4: like I want some inside stuff that I haven't heard yet,
Speaker 4: and I want to compare it to my own journey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been you know, it'd be cool Stallone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you talk about childhood, right, hero you
Speaker 2: know like that that dude is Yeah, Well, Stellone would
Speaker 2: have some cool stories, you know, a lot of studio
Speaker 2: fifty four stories, studio, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 4: What's interesting about Stallone is that, you know, because of
Speaker 4: the way he sounds right, for lack of a better term,
Speaker 4: I think that that people would be quick to write
Speaker 4: them off. But like, what's so amazing to me that
Speaker 4: I learned as I got older, was like he won
Speaker 4: an Oscar for writing. He stepped behind the camera and
Speaker 4: he directed and he acted in it, and he did
Speaker 4: it all. Yeah, right when everyone told him that he
Speaker 4: couldn't do it, and he was like, screw it, I
Speaker 4: am going to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would love to know, like what gave him the
Speaker 3: balls to do that?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Also speaking of courage and audacity, Ardnatwressanger, like his mentality.
Speaker 2: He's he's mental strength, you know, for competition, and and
Speaker 2: how he's always he never let competition died in his heart.
Speaker 2: It's still right now he's in Venice trying to outlift
Speaker 2: the other guy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think that that'd be a really cool one.
Speaker 4: You know who I would like on there. I'd like
Speaker 4: Anthony Hopkins. I just saw the remains.
Speaker 1: Of the of the day, that movie the other day.
Speaker 3: He's one of those few actors that.
Speaker 4: Just continually just blows me away by his subtlety. I
Speaker 4: remember I worked with Alan Rickman, did two movies with
Speaker 4: Alan Rickman, and he says something to me that was
Speaker 4: so profound.
Speaker 3: And he goes, yeah, you know, Freddy, you know.
Speaker 4: Like when you when you send that message from your
Speaker 4: brain to the body and then your body reacts. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, what message are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: And I wanted to get so much deeper into sort
Speaker 4: of his process, uh mentally and and and while he's
Speaker 4: in the moment right and and and I watch Anthony Hopkins,
Speaker 4: and I know that he's doing the same thing, you know,
Speaker 4: I know that he's sending those messages to his body,
Speaker 4: and he's so relaxed and his.
Speaker 2: To your point, he's so in tuned with the effort.
Speaker 2: How much effort does.
Speaker 1: He really really really need when he's leaning into conviction drive?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think he's doing nothing, but he's doing everything.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's increds and incredible. Look, we could sit
Speaker 4: here all day as actors and scream and do all
Speaker 4: that and.
Speaker 3: We're like, oh that was awesome.
Speaker 4: Take right, Like, you know, because then it gets in
Speaker 4: and he's like, yeah, you're like, oh my.
Speaker 1: God, all of us out the watery crazy.
Speaker 4: But people like that, I just want to know, like
Speaker 4: what makes them tick, like what you know, so to
Speaker 4: get them in the circle and to explain their secrets.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, all right, we're gonna add another person
Speaker 6: in the circle, a fictional villain. Fictional villain, like who's
Speaker 6: coming through? What are they talking about? Are they deep?
Speaker 6: Are they misunderstood?
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's like a few that come to mind.
Speaker 2: I would say, it depends what we want from that circle,
Speaker 2: you know, because it could be really messy. Fictional villain.
Speaker 2: I'd say that, Like, someone that I think will be
Speaker 2: really interesting is Heath Ledgers joker, you know, because because
Speaker 2: that's a conversation. It's not a villain that's just coming
Speaker 2: in tossing cars apart, and like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: And like it's like somebody will come in and and
Speaker 2: we'll sit down and talk about philosophy from an angle
Speaker 2: of righteousness, not an angle of just like pure foolery, right,
Speaker 2: I think he would he will give you a reason
Speaker 2: that you would almost buy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some some some heavy justification and yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: think the Ledgers Joker will be an interesting villain to
Speaker 4: to have their.
Speaker 3: Joaking Phoenix's Joker would be.
Speaker 1: I've seen that'd be an uncomfortable circle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but but like what what makes him tick?
Speaker 4: Like what because it's so different, right, it's so it's
Speaker 4: so much more rooted in reality, His relationship with his mother,
Speaker 4: all of that would be so interesting to just and
Speaker 4: and and again, all of it is justification. I think
Speaker 4: for what they do there that it's always justified by something.
Speaker 2: And I can also picture the two of us just
Speaker 2: sitting there and watching those two jokers talk to each other, right,
Speaker 2: I mean imagine that just those two guys just kind
Speaker 2: of reasoning on the where he went wrong, where he
Speaker 2: took a turn, Yeah, what happened that made them have
Speaker 2: the outlook online for most importantly, exercise their own version
Speaker 2: of justice, because none of them are just being evil,
Speaker 2: They're just they're performing justice in a different angle, in
Speaker 2: a different way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very interesting to think about that stuff to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so much resolve and so much belief in
Speaker 4: what they're doing, right, because that's what it takes to.
Speaker 1: Like go to those extents.
Speaker 4: You got to really believe in what you're doing and
Speaker 4: what you're trying to put out there in order to
Speaker 4: be able to do that, right, which is a lot
Speaker 4: of leaders in the world, right, they wouldn't be doing
Speaker 4: what they're doing unless they really believed.
Speaker 1: It is the Joker, the best villain of all time.
Speaker 1: I mean, who's character itself? Who's better? Who's better?
Speaker 2: I mean it has survived forty years or fifty years
Speaker 2: of pop culture, right, like, it's still one of the
Speaker 2: biggest threats any subliminal character or metaphorical character can go through.
Speaker 3: Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2: I think there, I think that that character, very early
Speaker 2: on taught tapped into a little.
Speaker 1: Bit of humanity's insanity.
Speaker 2: I think at some point it triggered an emotion and
Speaker 2: where humanity thought, maybe we all have a little bit
Speaker 2: of Joker inside of us, right, I mean, and.
Speaker 3: That's a superpower, right, Yeah, he doesn't fly.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have superpower whatever.
Speaker 2: It's a person could be like you and me, and
Speaker 2: it's the prince of chaos, right right. But it's but
Speaker 2: we all have these thoughts, right, like some of us
Speaker 2: were just we're never going to be villains, right, But
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think that psychologically, I think
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because it kind of tapped.
Speaker 2: Into something that what if humanity had chosen insanity, right right, Like,
Speaker 2: maybe there is this and none of us probably have
Speaker 2: the courage to go that fever, right like, and I
Speaker 2: know for a fact I will never be able to
Speaker 2: even think that way.
Speaker 1: But there is something about seeing it play.
Speaker 2: Out, you know, and the many stories of the Joker
Speaker 2: mean of that character kind of like creates this incredibly
Speaker 2: colorful look through a viewfinder, through a different lens of
Speaker 2: humanity that all of us never thought would be a
Speaker 2: perspective that we could even sympathize with. And the earlier
Speaker 2: renditions is like I just want to create chaos and
Speaker 2: you know, and try to kill the bat right But
Speaker 2: over time that character's philosophy for for that became probably
Speaker 2: a lot more overlayer, a lot more in depth. And
Speaker 2: I think that someone like you know, like like Keith
Speaker 2: Ledgard or you know, even the nineties Batman, that Mark
Speaker 2: Hamill voice joke, you know that that cartoon that the
Speaker 2: Mark Hamill which by the way, beautiful one of the
Speaker 2: best performances of all time. When it comes to a
Speaker 2: Joker character, Mark Hamill embodies something that was just so
Speaker 2: unhinged yet contained, and he the way he would use
Speaker 2: the words as the weapon that to me felt like wow.
Speaker 2: The way he would sing song it and use the
Speaker 2: words as the daggers, not the fist, not the weapon,
Speaker 2: you know, but the way he would poetically describe the
Speaker 2: chaos he was there to deliver was something something I've
Speaker 2: never been able to forget.
Speaker 3: Really, man.
Speaker 4: I remember hearing it a couple of times, but not
Speaker 4: enough to still have.
Speaker 1: That one of my favorites.
Speaker 2: I mean, in his laugh, everybody that does a version
Speaker 2: of Joker is trying to mimic his laugh, and oh
Speaker 2: really yeah, Mark Cameron, he definitely he was one of
Speaker 2: those guys that definitely a good job with it. Any
Speaker 2: other any other if you feel like Jokers feels like
Speaker 2: one of the most interesting.
Speaker 1: But I'm wondering if anybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, because the Joker is the most grounded one, right,
Speaker 4: Like I said, everyone else has like superpowers and so
Speaker 4: then so then once it it goes there, it's elevated
Speaker 4: into this sort of fantasy realm, right where the Joker
Speaker 4: is more grounded, and you're like, oh, something like that
Speaker 4: could potentially happen, right, I mean, all the all the classics, right,
Speaker 4: like Darth Vader, you know, like.
Speaker 1: My god, you know, hey, man, you knew you had
Speaker 1: a son somewhere. Yeah?
Speaker 2: My first question, how could you not know that you
Speaker 2: had a kid somewhere?
Speaker 1: Man, Hey, Darth, look at me in the eyes. Man,
Speaker 1: you knew? Right, come on, man, you knew, you know
Speaker 1: you had a son?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: Tofa cut his own version of Star Wars, and I
Speaker 4: haven't seen it, but was I mean, did it did
Speaker 4: it have a lot of heavy Darth Vader in it?
Speaker 3: Did it? Did it sort of weed a lot of
Speaker 3: the villains in it?
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because those movies didn't have Most of
Speaker 2: those movies didn't have Darth Vader in it, right, because
Speaker 2: he had the prequels.
Speaker 1: There was no Darth Vader.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It was Anakin becoming vad Right.
Speaker 2: So Anakin was like, was this young prodigy who was
Speaker 2: supposed to be a promising and and and.
Speaker 1: The right side of the forest, right.
Speaker 2: I think he was supposed to become this Jedi master
Speaker 2: and then he took a turn and chose the dark.
Speaker 2: Towards the end of the franchise, where you know, they
Speaker 2: pretty much ended with him wearing that suit, right, and
Speaker 2: then the old school movies began. So here's another flip
Speaker 2: on this game. You get a co from a agent
Speaker 2: and it says, Matt Reeves or James Gunn wants you
Speaker 2: to play the new Joker. Right, where do you begin
Speaker 2: in doing the homework for that?
Speaker 4: It's tough, right, because you're like Jesus Christ, that's such
Speaker 4: a massive responsibility.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's tough, right, because like what do
Speaker 3: you do do you watch everybody.
Speaker 4: Else's performance and then and then and then go okay,
Speaker 4: let me not do that, let me not do that, right,
Speaker 4: But as a.
Speaker 3: Human being, you absorb that as you as you watch it. Right.
Speaker 2: So it's and that's fans, they undeniably some some of
Speaker 2: that marked us so and then also like how much
Speaker 2: do you how much do you include in your process
Speaker 2: the expectation the fans have for that character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Like I loved I love that Joaquines was
Speaker 4: really grounded, right, it was really grounded, and he made
Speaker 4: very specific choices about who this guy was going to
Speaker 4: be and they went with it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, well so and so did that, so
Speaker 4: let me take that and build on that.
Speaker 3: He just kind of.
Speaker 4: Created his own thing, right. I felt like the only
Speaker 4: thing that was similar was like he had a laugh,
Speaker 4: you know, and that sort of that's been the through.
Speaker 2: Line, right, They all all those but even if their
Speaker 2: laugh was rooted over a condition.
Speaker 4: I thought that was so cool when he showed that
Speaker 4: card to like the kid and the bus, you know,
Speaker 4: I have this condition where I mean, that was just genius.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And but again that world was built to support the
Speaker 2: becoming of a joker, right, right, But they called.
Speaker 1: You and they're like, he's been badman for ten years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now here comes the Jokers being joker for
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, five of those.
Speaker 4: What an immense responsibility? Huh wow, how do you take
Speaker 4: that on?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I have the courage to go, I'm putting myself out
Speaker 4: there like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like Jared Leto did it right? Yeah? Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought Jared did a pretty great job. I think
Speaker 2: that he should give more credit for that. I was
Speaker 2: hoping that he'd go a little bit more hip hop
Speaker 2: if he played hip hop joker for that type of
Speaker 2: movie would have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had the gold.
Speaker 2: Teeth, he had the chains, like he just played it like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like riff raff or something like that.
Speaker 2: I think it could be really not that, But I'm
Speaker 2: saying like the tone could have been interesting thing. It
Speaker 2: would have been a different joker, in a really pop
Speaker 2: cultural one too.
Speaker 1: I mean, he did a phenomenal job. I think that
Speaker 1: if he would have made.
Speaker 2: A choice to go all the way hip hop dude,
Speaker 2: I chained this the soundtrack, that.
Speaker 1: Could have been crazy too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that would have been an interesting choice.
Speaker 3: What other villains? What other villains you know?
Speaker 1: I like, did you said Darth Vader? That's a very
Speaker 1: good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like what other villains you know? Like that?
Speaker 3: I've been so.
Speaker 4: Enthralled with right that I would want to have them
Speaker 4: around a blood tape.
Speaker 3: I mean real life villains? Are there? Real life villains
Speaker 3: that you know?
Speaker 1: That's that's there? Are their dictators? Are their serial killers? Maybe?
Speaker 3: You know? And asked the why of it?
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 3: Right? You know, I don't know man.
Speaker 1: In real life? I mean, so who in real life
Speaker 1: is there?
Speaker 2: Like is that one of the serial killers that kind
Speaker 2: of has caught your attention?
Speaker 1: You know? And like WHOA, this story is pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: Some of them are just too sick.
Speaker 3: To about Yeah, man, yeah, yeah I know that.
Speaker 2: What about what about Jason? He never talked, so like
Speaker 2: if that be the most boring invite, just be sitting there, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he'd just been sitting there, like, bro, Like the point
Speaker 2: is that you kind of like talk, you know, you're
Speaker 2: here to talk to us, you know, Yeah, Jason and
Speaker 2: uh and Freddy No, Freddy Krueger will be crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Freddy Krueger will be crazy for Also you listening to this,
Speaker 2: who don't know who Freddy Krueger is.
Speaker 1: Do yourself a favor.
Speaker 2: Watch that first movie and then yeah, and good luck
Speaker 2: trying to sleep that night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Is there is there anyone like around the
Speaker 4: around the circle? Like and and this is what you know,
Speaker 4: you're you're so good at right, Like you're so good
Speaker 4: at at at interviewing people and getting down to the
Speaker 4: nitty gritty of the of the aspects that interest you.
Speaker 3: Is there someone that you haven't met or interviewed.
Speaker 4: They don't have to be a villain necessarily, but but
Speaker 4: like someone that you've been like, I just want to
Speaker 4: like talk to this person and getting to the psyche
Speaker 4: of this person and ask very specific questions so that
Speaker 4: I could learn from this person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, past or president, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's
Speaker 2: a few people that I've been just kind of fascinated
Speaker 2: by their method of capturing stories. Like I've always been
Speaker 2: inspired and fascinated by the tool kid that Quantrarantino has
Speaker 2: for character building and as an actor. He's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite screenplay writers, just like he writes stuff that
Speaker 2: really is asking for.
Speaker 1: You to be free.
Speaker 2: You have to be ce liberated in order to sort
Speaker 2: through his content because you can be timid. You got
Speaker 2: to step all the way down and play those and
Speaker 2: there's a level. It's so funny when you watch the movies,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, this guy's make it look so easy.
Speaker 1: But his writing is very supportive of going that far.
Speaker 2: And it's not like a character makes all these crazy
Speaker 2: choices and the dialogue is not there.
Speaker 1: The dialogue is taking you there.
Speaker 2: As an actor, you know, it's actually leading you into
Speaker 2: these choices.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So I think that's one of the things that I
Speaker 2: think when has done just so masterful, you know, and
Speaker 2: especially when he casts people he really knows, I know
Speaker 2: their strengths.
Speaker 1: That's why you're here. Here's the dialogue.
Speaker 2: Go run with it, like go go you know, I
Speaker 2: mean you you can speak to that a lot better
Speaker 2: than me, for sure. I mean, I definitely work with Robert.
Speaker 2: And Robert is also very good about casting. You know,
Speaker 2: he knows how to put people on the right dialogue,
Speaker 2: you know, and those words you know you wear you
Speaker 2: know you wear.
Speaker 1: That stuff, you know. So I think I think Quinn
Speaker 1: would be one.
Speaker 2: I have so many questions about character bill, and especially
Speaker 2: as someone who's like developing and producing stuff, like just
Speaker 2: like how how do the like what are what are
Speaker 2: some of like step one into of building a character.
Speaker 2: The audience is going to go, that's either me or like, man,
Speaker 2: I want to be like that or I'm like whoa,
Speaker 2: I didn't know if person like that could exist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which he's got a talent for taking you there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: One of the most fascinating things I found by working
Speaker 4: with with Quintin was what a movie savant he was.
Speaker 4: I remember one time we're at a at a table
Speaker 4: read or something thing and Robert was trying to make
Speaker 4: a Robert Rodriguez by the way, I was trying to
Speaker 4: make a reference to something or a movie, and.
Speaker 3: He was like, he was like, oh man, it was
Speaker 3: this movie. He was trying to remember it.
Speaker 4: And then and then he says, quin remember that movie,
Speaker 4: that it was this and it was that, and he
Speaker 4: gave him like a few details, and Quentin said, oh,
Speaker 4: you're talking about this movie and it started this actor
Speaker 4: and it came out this year and this person directed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other actor was supposed to play the
Speaker 2: lead character. But then ended, I'm not making it. Like yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like that.
Speaker 4: I was so blown away by his He has this
Speaker 4: library and his brain of.
Speaker 2: Musage by the way, yea, because he can he literally
Speaker 2: goes to his vinyl collection.
Speaker 1: Man, yeah, this is the song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know I want this song to play
Speaker 2: when the Catallac is driving down the street.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And you know he's a big music fan too, right,
Speaker 4: So it's a combination of like him being this this
Speaker 4: absolute music buff music library with being a music efficient,
Speaker 4: right and knowing good music and and you know, being
Speaker 4: growing up in la and being around people where you
Speaker 4: heard people of other ethnicities and other languages and being
Speaker 4: able to incorporate all of that and just learning from
Speaker 4: the vast movies that you've seen.
Speaker 2: You know, we should figure out how to have a
Speaker 2: little bit of a deep die with with either Quant
Speaker 2: or Robert. You know, we should invite them to the
Speaker 2: show and just like say, hey, let's just riff on movies,
Speaker 2: let's talk about inspiration and stuff like.
Speaker 1: It'd be really great to have them on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, those guys working with those guys.
Speaker 1: Was it was. I was just talking to Robert today.
Speaker 1: So last week, Oh cool?
Speaker 3: Where in Austin at his house?
Speaker 1: All you went, oh that's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And we were talking about doing this other
Speaker 4: thing together and he was like, well, I'm in town, man,
Speaker 4: come through, And so I came to.
Speaker 3: So that's aweso there to go talk about this sort
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so him and I are also working on some stuff.
Speaker 2: Can we have to tell you about? But but yeah,
Speaker 2: it'd be great to have Robert here too. You know,
Speaker 2: Robert be such a great.
Speaker 3: Chat thinking man.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, Well, well we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Leo, what's the next thing? We got?
Speaker 5: Next? Up? Who from Game of Thrones do you want
Speaker 5: at this table with everyone else?
Speaker 1: Mmmm?
Speaker 3: From Game of Thrones?
Speaker 1: Wow? They're dragon? Absolutely Dragon.
Speaker 4: I get Brian Cogman around the table. Who is your friend?
Speaker 4: You were so gracious to introduce me to my brother,
Speaker 4: who was an incredible writer, and we're both HBO alumni,
Speaker 4: and I've had wonderful conversations with him about Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2: I told him the other day, we should set up
Speaker 2: a dinner with all of us together.
Speaker 1: I'd love to.
Speaker 2: And his wife is love so great, so talented too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like they're together. It's not fair, but yeah, that
Speaker 2: that would be a great invite because yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you also could learn so much about you know, the
Speaker 2: stuff that he did.
Speaker 1: He was the guy on set, you know, he was.
Speaker 1: He was he was the He's one of the reasons.
Speaker 3: The think of it. He was the thick of it.
Speaker 4: I told him this funny story I was doing. I
Speaker 4: was doing a movie with Sean Bean in the Ukraine
Speaker 4: around that time, and uh, and I was I was
Speaker 4: doing this other project at the same time, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I think it was on TV. And this
Speaker 4: was at a time when like actors were like, I
Speaker 4: don't want to do TV maybe, you know, And so
Speaker 4: I go, I go, hey, Sean, Man, you ever think
Speaker 4: about doing TV?
Speaker 3: I consider it if it's the right thing.
Speaker 4: And I started to tell him about the thing that
Speaker 4: I was doing and how I thought he'd be great
Speaker 4: in it, and.
Speaker 3: He goes, well, I just did the thing for HBO.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, it's supposed to have like dragons
Speaker 4: in it, and I don't know if it's going to
Speaker 4: be any good. But but yeah, i'd love to explore
Speaker 4: what but what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: I go, Oh, you just work for HBO. He goes, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I said I was there for.
Speaker 1: As we all are.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we're like, I don't know, man, I'm just happy
Speaker 2: to be at work.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't know it's going to be any good.
Speaker 4: We just shot the pilot, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 4: and then like a year later, a Game of Thrones
Speaker 4: comes out it.
Speaker 1: Takes over the planet quite literally.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, No, Brian is one of
Speaker 2: those very special voices and writers. You know, he's just
Speaker 2: ting to do so many great things. I would say
Speaker 2: for me from Game of Thrones, who who Yeah, that's tough, man,
Speaker 2: It's just.
Speaker 1: Tough because every character is so good.
Speaker 3: Or George R. R. Martin, like, you know what, it
Speaker 3: was the first show I've.
Speaker 4: Ever seen where they had like incest and I was like,
Speaker 4: what's the motiv where? You know, I never knew what
Speaker 4: the motivation was behind that.
Speaker 2: I know, so so there's two people, right that kind
Speaker 2: of came kind of went at the same time. Uh,
Speaker 2: Pedro Pascal, Yeah, and like, do you even know what
Speaker 2: was gonna what was gonna.
Speaker 1: Do for your career? Crazy?
Speaker 2: Like he just rolled in so handsome, killing it on screen,
Speaker 2: just doing his thing, and then all of a sudden boom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of amazing. Same thing with Jess Momoa was
Speaker 1: in the first season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, uh right, right right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so these individuals have come through this show and
Speaker 2: have just like, you know, the other thing.
Speaker 1: And Momo is also another great guy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Yeah, He's an amazing dude, really cool, good
Speaker 2: and I met him so many times and hung with
Speaker 2: him a few times throughout the years, and you know,
Speaker 2: we have a lot a bunch of friends in common,
Speaker 2: good friends with him, and you know, worked with him
Speaker 2: for a few times. So he's he's a really good dude.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so that that would be that for for
Speaker 2: us on that What what do you think next?
Speaker 6: Let's round it out with who do you want there
Speaker 6: to give you a good laugh?
Speaker 1: Oh, a good laugh? Like a funny person?
Speaker 5: Yeah, just to round it out.
Speaker 3: A funny person.
Speaker 4: I think that that Jim Carrey right, And this is
Speaker 4: just sort of like I think he's a once in
Speaker 4: a lifetime comedian actor totally.
Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to see another one.
Speaker 1: I love how you described him comedian actor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was able to translate his tone into
Speaker 2: an actual narrative storytelling right, like a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: A lot of times a comedy is stuck in a
Speaker 2: role where he's just doing the punchlines in the in
Speaker 2: the movie, yeah, and not technically telling the story.
Speaker 1: They always get paired up with somebody.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was one of those guys who who grabbed everything
Speaker 2: that was his strength and made it the actual character.
Speaker 1: And I think that was pretty brilliant.
Speaker 4: I just think I just think you you see what
Speaker 4: he does, and and I think he's light years, light
Speaker 4: years ahead of people who were just fun. A lot
Speaker 4: of a lot of really really funny people out there,
Speaker 4: but he's he's like an up, he's like in a
Speaker 4: category by himself.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: I like him a lot for a good laugh. I
Speaker 2: think Tom Hanks, Tom Hanks, he tells some really funny stories. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just like a pretty great But I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna go like community, like you went with someone
Speaker 2: that that prolific in comedy, I would probably say, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'll go with the comic. Like I think
Speaker 2: Kevin hard Is is really fun. He's a really good dude.
Speaker 2: I just appreciate him and love him so much. He's
Speaker 2: always been a solid, solid dude. So he'd be an
Speaker 2: amazing Hank because he's just such a good dude. I
Speaker 2: think Peters Tooters is hilarious. I remember he showed up
Speaker 2: to my birth one time. He grabbed the microphone from
Speaker 2: DJ booth and proceeded to roast everyone on my birthday,
Speaker 2: you know, and.
Speaker 3: It was just in real time, in real time hilarious.
Speaker 1: He goes, who are you guys? How do you know Wilmer? Alter?
Speaker 1: How you know Wilmer?
Speaker 2: Then he started, you know, going around the room. But
Speaker 2: Russell Recipeters is one of my dearest friends I went to.
Speaker 2: I went on a US SOL tour with him and
Speaker 2: we we went to a lot of countries together, we
Speaker 2: entertained troops and he did his sad and absolutely roasted
Speaker 2: everyone and it was hilarious. He's just and also a
Speaker 2: really great guy and super talented.
Speaker 4: Yeah you know how I met at your at your
Speaker 4: Christmas party? Uh, Damon Wayne's junior.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's my guy.
Speaker 4: I've been so impressed by his family man, and the
Speaker 4: stuff that his family has done collectively individually. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: just think they're so immensely talented.
Speaker 2: And Damon, uh, Damon Junior is going to work forever.
Speaker 2: He's also the next generation. He's like, you know, the
Speaker 2: new the next after for that family. You know, he's
Speaker 2: a producer. You know, he's a real comedian. He's out
Speaker 2: there at the all the clubs doing the comedy thing
Speaker 2: and oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't know who's doing Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, the laugh Factory. And he also tours
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: He goes to like, hey, I'm gonna be in uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Dallas, Texas, you know on Saturday, where I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be in like Jacksonville blah blah blah. You know,
Speaker 2: like he's out there traveling and doing the comic route
Speaker 2: and he's really growing as that. And then he's also
Speaker 2: doing all kinds of stuff and producing and start of
Speaker 2: his own shows. And he also has the first of
Speaker 2: CBS tutors for producing and it's you know, it's made
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: Of stuff over there.
Speaker 3: Oh nice man. Yeah, yeah, that show he had with
Speaker 3: his father, right, I mean house, How brilliant was that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just great.
Speaker 4: I just think his whole family is so immensely talented man,
Speaker 4: and and there's something about their energy and the way
Speaker 4: they carry themselves.
Speaker 2: Marlon is another great hang, He's a beautiful person, great guy,
Speaker 2: so supportive, so he he shows up. You know, he's
Speaker 2: just another really good one on the good ones.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: Robin Williams, right, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, planets Robin Williams, Like if you're gonna just invite
Speaker 2: one person, I mean Robin Williams.
Speaker 4: I think he's kind of like Jim Carrey, like in
Speaker 4: his own planet, you know.
Speaker 2: And he's on you know, he's just he's going in.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, rest in peace, Robin Williams. You know,
Speaker 2: no one did it better than him, right, I mean
Speaker 2: the dude was winning Oscars.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's pretty unbelievable. I would say Robin Williams,
Speaker 2: uh wins any of those. You know, I think he
Speaker 2: you know, he also played didn't he play a villain?
Speaker 2: And uh he did that movie.
Speaker 4: Oh, the Christopher Nolan movie uh with with Alpacino, yea Insomnia?
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, so he could be one of the villains, right,
Speaker 2: He definitely can be one of those comedy actors.
Speaker 1: And one hour photo he did's one hour photo. That's
Speaker 1: what I was thinking about. Yeah, so that's really great.
Speaker 2: But we love to hear you guys thoughts, right, We
Speaker 2: have like to hear everybody who listened to this story.
Speaker 2: If so, you know, come in in comments, send us
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Speaker 2: for sticking with us. On another episode of Dose Amigos.
Speaker 2: I'm Wilmer Valdorama, I'm Freddie Rodriguez, and I'll see you
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Speaker 2: Those Amigos is produced by Aaron Burleson and Sophie Spencer Zabos.
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Speaker 2: and mixed by Sean Tracy and features original music by
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