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Speaker 2: We'll get into that in just a bit.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Over the weekend, I read a

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Speaker 1: book that I found utterly fascinating and shocking in a

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Speaker 2: They didn't think I had the ability to be shocked anymore.

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Speaker 1: But boy, when you look at how expensive college has

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Speaker 2: It's like buying a franchise, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's like you should have a Burger King outlet for

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Speaker 1: the money that some of these places can cost. And

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Speaker 1: I went to college in the seventies, So a lot's

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Speaker 1: goott And it wasn't exactly like college was a pure

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Speaker 1: experience in the nineteen seventies. Let me promise you that

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Speaker 1: But that is nothing compared to what apparently is going

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Speaker 2: Not maybe all of them, we don't know.

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Speaker 1: Among the bros is the name of the book, A

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Speaker 1: fraternity crime Story. To talk about it right now? Is

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Speaker 1: the author, Max Marshall. Max, welcome aboard, Thanks for being well,

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Speaker 1: us appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: It's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: It's a great read. It's an eye opening read. And

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Speaker 1: here's I guess here's my question. This story is about

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Speaker 1: a drug ring that was centered at the College of

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Speaker 1: Charleston in twenty eighteen, and it involved a drug trafficker,

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Speaker 1: a kid who had pledged to the Greek system named

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Speaker 1: Mikey Schmidt that he got busted. And you heard about this,

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Speaker 1: and you went to the College of Charleston to kind

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Speaker 1: of write about this xanax ring and take the story

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Speaker 1: from there. Where does it lead from here?

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Speaker 3: Sure? So when I got to College of Charleston. I

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Speaker 3: had heard that the police had arrested three guys in

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Speaker 3: the cap Alpha order and two essays, and I know

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Speaker 3: they had confiscated something like, you know, a dozen pounds

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Speaker 3: But when I was doing some early research, I actually

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Speaker 3: it was closer to three million Sanax pills and the

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Speaker 3: police had just never publicized that. And then I learned

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Speaker 3: about a student who had been murdered, and some other

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Speaker 3: fraternity members who had died of drug overdoses and falling

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Speaker 3: off rus and the story just got bigger and bigger.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately what it was was a national drug trafficking

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Speaker 3: network with pills coming in from China, guys having their

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Speaker 3: using praternity pledges and the mail to ship really millions

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a seizure of twenty one million dollars worth

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Speaker 1: of black market xenix. Now I've heard of xan x obviously,

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Speaker 1: And when we hear so much about fentanyl and opioids,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's funny if you think about this sort

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Speaker 1: No, No, this is where you're wrong, Max. People were

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Max Marshall among the bros. A Fraternity

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Speaker 1: Crime Story is the name of the book, and it's

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Speaker 1: an excellent read. It's published by Harper by the way,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of no consequence, let's get into the Greek system,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely So, I mean, I think something people kind of

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Speaker 3: And it's always been like that. Like, fraternities were basically

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Speaker 1: Here's the part that I found shocking. And again maybe

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Speaker 1: But now the drug culture and the pill culture seems

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Speaker 3: I mean, there was a bit fraternity website called Total

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Speaker 3: different sororities. It was kind of a Barstool before Barstool.

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Speaker 3: And when they had a movie, the slogan was Greek

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Speaker 3: And so like all of the sort of or Animal

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Speaker 3: fraternities that have million dollars a year social budgets just

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of prestige in then and.

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Speaker 1: Very few consequences because that kind of money, it creates

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Speaker 2: In your book Among the Bros.

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Speaker 1: A fraternity crime story, you described this Mountain Weekend, which

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Speaker 1: and we maybe want to change the name to College

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Speaker 1: We're talking about David Vasse from our sister station LA

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Speaker 4: Well, Number one, Otani and his representative nes Balleo kept

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's in a town that loves stars. They've

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Speaker 1: write kill Roy was here because they fell into a

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Speaker 1: World War two time warmth and they wrote kill Roy

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Speaker 1: was here, or they wrote died you. Well, you're the

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Speaker 1: only Jewish person on the block. And that's spray painted

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Speaker 1: on the side of your garage. There's a whole different

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Speaker 1: magnitude of threat that that represents than graffiti. Then somebody

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Speaker 1: just you know, spray painting a mural or writing kill

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Speaker 1: Roy is here on the side of your house. And

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Speaker 1: that's what That's why hate law enhancements make sense because

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Speaker 1: all law is an expression of society's values. We pass

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Speaker 1: laws sometimes to encourage behavior. We want to encourage investments,

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Speaker 1: so we'll give text, you know, benefit, or we want

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Speaker 1: to encourage kids going to schools, so I'll offer tuition assistance.

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Speaker 1: And these are laws that are passed to encourage behaviors

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Speaker 1: that we think are positive for society. And then we

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Speaker 1: obviously pass a lot of laws to discourage behavior. But

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Speaker 1: you know, for instance, all traffic laws we have stop

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Speaker 1: those things are designed to create order on the roads

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Speaker 1: that it's not chaos because we value order on the roads,

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Speaker 1: and we largely have it.

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Speaker 2: We don't always have it.

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Speaker 1: LA still leads the league in hit and runs, and

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Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of reasons for that. But because

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Speaker 1: we value order on the roads, we have traffic codes.

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Speaker 1: And that's what hate laws are. They are an expression

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Speaker 1: of society's values, of society's morality. We don't want people

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Speaker 1: to be a tech others because they're a member of

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Speaker 1: a protected class, or any class for that matter, whether

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Speaker 1: it is. And we're saying if you intimidate and bully

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Speaker 1: and threaten somebody on that basis, there's extra enhancements. Well,

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Speaker 1: the problem is is that finding out what that line

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Speaker 1: is between an opinion, even an ugly opinion, and violation

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Speaker 1: of First Amendment rights to express that and crossing a

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Speaker 1: someone else's at the tip of someone else's nose. In

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Speaker 1: other words, you could say whatever you want, but once

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Speaker 1: you've said something that leads to a physical threat to

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Speaker 1: somebody else, now you're in We're in this gray area.

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Speaker 1: And that's what everybody's wrestling with right now. That's what

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Speaker 1: the colleges and universities are wrestling with, because, Okay, you've

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Speaker 1: got a lot of people who don't like the policy

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Speaker 1: of the Israeli government, and they have a legitimate First

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Speaker 1: and maybe even the conditions that they say were the

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Speaker 1: cause of the October seventh terror attack we had that

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Speaker 1: happen after the nine to eleven attacks. There were people

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Speaker 1: in the streets who was saying that we brought this

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Speaker 1: on ourselves. To totally disagree with that premise, as I

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Speaker 1: disagree with the premise of anything justifying what happened on

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Speaker 1: ten to seven in Israel. It's a horrific mass murder.

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Speaker 1: You got people with kalishnikovs coming in on motorized hang

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Speaker 1: gliders to shoot kids at a music festival. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear your story. I don't care what your

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Speaker 1: story is, what your grievance is. You forfeited any claim

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Speaker 1: to my concern with this horrific act. But protected speech

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Speaker 1: against political entities is signific. This is why the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: the United States Supreme Court, has time and time and

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Speaker 1: time again defended the right of people to burn the

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Speaker 1: American flag.

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Speaker 2: Now, I find burning the American flag to be.

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Speaker 1: A juvenile and irritating and personally offensive act, but it's

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Speaker 1: clearly political speech. The American flag is the symbol of America.

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Speaker 1: So if somebody's got a gripe with America for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: they choose to express it in that fashion, I don't

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Speaker 1: think they win any converts. By the way, I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody's ever seen that. The video of those dopes

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Speaker 1: on the field at Dodger Stadium trying to set fire

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Speaker 1: to the American flag and Rick Monday, it was with

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Cubs at the time, runs across the field

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Speaker 1: and snatches the flag away from them before they can

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody's ever seen the American flag burned and said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know now that, now that I've seen that, I

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Speaker 1: really changed my opinion about America. But whatever, it is

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Speaker 1: clearly protected speech. But it's not protected is when speech

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Speaker 1: can directly lead to violence. And now we're in a

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Speaker 1: really difficult epic of history because with social media and

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Speaker 1: the endless repetition and the ability of people to spread

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Speaker 1: toxic and horrific messages globally and relentlessly, we're into a

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Speaker 1: real uncharted territory and finding that line of where is

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Speaker 1: the First Amendment? And we know that the First Amendment

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Speaker 1: is specifically about government shutting down speech. Is why the

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Speaker 1: LA City Council saying that they want to ban hate

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Speaker 1: flyers is really problematic because that's directly the government's shutting

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Speaker 1: down speech. And that's true at public universities because that's

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Speaker 1: a public university, it's a government, it's a property of

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Speaker 1: the people and taxpayer supported. It's different issue altogether with Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Twitter's owned by Elon Musk. It's his baby, and he's

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Speaker 1: choosing to give Alex Jones a horrific, malignant presence, a

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Speaker 1: stain on humanity, in my opinion, a platform he wants

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Speaker 1: to take his He wants to take Alex Stone's business.

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Speaker 1: Whereas the local coffee shop as a sign that says

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Speaker 1: no shoes, no shirt, no service, they're setting a standard

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Speaker 1: of behavior to be in their coffee shop or to

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Speaker 1: be at the seven eleven on the corner. Alex Jones

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Speaker 1: apparently is welcome into Twitter. It certainly doesn't welcome me

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Speaker 1: with that policy.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: If you've ever wanted to see somebody nude, well now

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Speaker 1: there's an app for that. We'll get into that man.

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Speaker 1: Some of the technology, it's just amazing. And also we're

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Speaker 1: going to tell you about a place not to visit

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Speaker 1: here in southern California. I'm sure you've got your own list,

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Speaker 1: but this is official from Voters, the travel magazine, so

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Speaker 1: we'll get into all that as well, mister Conway at

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Speaker 1: four o'clock. Now, reminder again, I have this book that

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Speaker 1: I wrote that I'm very proud of, and if you're

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Speaker 1: looking for a gift for a reader on your list,

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Speaker 1: It's available at my website Doug McIntyre dot com. I

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Speaker 1: can have a personally inscribed copy out to you, or

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Speaker 1: you can get it at Amazon, of course, Barnes and Noble,

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Speaker 1: and all the good local bookstores like Romans and Pasadena,

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Speaker 1: great bookstore pages in Manhattan Beach, David K Books in

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Speaker 1: Woodland Hills where I was Saturday. I got to see

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Speaker 1: a bunch of you and a bookstar in Studio City

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Speaker 1: and just wherever.

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Speaker 2: You want to grab books. Frank's Shadow is the name

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Speaker 2: of the book.

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Speaker 1: Go Grab Buy in bulk as John Pitzarelli says, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So we talked a couple of days ago about electric

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Speaker 1: vehicles and how some people have what I think is

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Speaker 1: an irrational hatred of them, the way other people have

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Speaker 1: an irrational hatred of coal and gas, like they actually

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Speaker 1: hate a commodity, they actually hate a naturally occurring substance.

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Speaker 1: But this is an astonishing story that is a window

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Speaker 1: into a potential revolution when it comes to the elector

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Speaker 1: vehicle world. In Detroit, of all places, there's a company

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Speaker 1: called Elecion, and they have taken over a street in

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Speaker 1: Detroit called fourteenth Street, and they've buried in the asphalt

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Speaker 1: something called inductive charging coils, and they are testing electric

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Speaker 1: vehicles that have been equipped with receivers that allow the technology,

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Speaker 1: the inductive charging coils, to charge the cars while they drive.

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Speaker 1: In other words, the chargers are built into the actual

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Speaker 1: road itself, so you're driving along on your EV and

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Speaker 1: you don't have to stop at one of those places

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Speaker 1: to plug in. Your car is charging, just like if

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Speaker 1: you've got at home one of those things that Apple

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Speaker 1: sells us like a little disc and you can put

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Speaker 1: your phone down on top of it. You don't actually

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Speaker 1: have to plug it in, and it charges right to

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Speaker 1: the case, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: It would charge the car while you're using it.

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Speaker 1: And theoretically, if this is functional, the company says it works,

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Speaker 1: and this is the Governor of Michigan, Governor Whitmere is

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Speaker 1: pushing the pilot initiative and it's actually out there on

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Speaker 1: A bunch of years ago, I've been to Iceland a

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Speaker 1: bunch of times because it's my favorite country not called

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Speaker 1: the United States of America. So in seventy three, ninety three,

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, and Iceland, you know, they've

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Speaker 1: got volcanoes all over the places, one about to blow

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Speaker 1: up again. And it's a geothermal based industry Land because

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Speaker 1: they've got all this free geothermal energy under the ground.

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Speaker 1: And what they did was, because it's called Iceland, they

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Speaker 1: put pipes under the sidewalks in Reykivic that are heated.

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Speaker 1: They run hot water because the hot water is free.

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Speaker 1: They've got nothing but hot water because of all the

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Speaker 1: geothermal energy they're sitting on top of. And when it

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Speaker 1: snows in Iceland, it just melts and clears the sidewalks.

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Speaker 1: And I think they have it under some of the

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Speaker 1: roadways as well, so they don't have to plow. The

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Speaker 1: hot water melts it. Well, this is the same concept,

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Speaker 1: only instead of hot water to melt ice and snow,

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Speaker 1: it's essentially a charging station built into the asphalt of

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Speaker 1: the road itself.

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Speaker 2: Charging your ev as you drive.

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Speaker 1: Would this be something that could actually solve the problem

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Speaker 1: for people or reluctant to have electric vehicles because they

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Speaker 1: fear getting stuck somewhere and having to wait hours and

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Speaker 1: hours and hours to charge our VICA, which is really

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Speaker 1: not the case anyway. But obviously, if you're in West Texas,

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Speaker 1: you're out in the middle of nowhere, it's not practical

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Speaker 1: to have an electric vehicle. This would be perhaps a

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Speaker 1: solution to that problem going forward. The technological advances that

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Speaker 1: we're living in are astonishing, and we have to point

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Speaker 1: them out occasionally not to go mad, because otherwise you

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Speaker 1: just see nothing but bad news all the time.

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Speaker 2: It gets very, very depressing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the problem is that sometimes, especially into radio,

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Speaker 1: we tend to become the complaint department. But while we're

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Speaker 1: pointing out the things that are awful and need to

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Speaker 1: be fixed and we need to do something about, we

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Speaker 1: got to keep an eye occasionally out for some of

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Speaker 1: the stuff that's making the world a better place. And

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Speaker 1: there are remarkable technologies coming out and this is theoretically

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Speaker 1: one of the great ones.

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Speaker 2: All Right, ladies and gentlemen, we got another hour to go.

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Speaker 1: We're here till four o'clock when Tim Cameway Junior comes along,

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Speaker 1: and don't forget tomorrow the John Cobbolt Show will be

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Speaker 1: right here at KFI from one to four pm.

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Speaker 2: The debut performance. I wonder if John is nervous. He's

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Speaker 2: just he's so excited, he's ready for it. Do you

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Speaker 2: think he knows that Ken's not coming in tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, Okay, I think you know, he's just

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Speaker 3: going to go on like you know, it's his show,

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Speaker 3: and the only difference is there's no Ken.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to find out whether or not Ken

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Speaker 1: has ghosted him too, because clearly.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure Ken has ghosted John. Absolutely. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Well, then he can say anything he wants about Ken.

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Speaker 1: He can tell you the truth of how he really feels,

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Speaker 1: and he won't have to worry about Ken rebutting anything.

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Speaker 2: This could be very interesting Radio. Tell John that you

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Speaker 2: suggested that. Well, it's an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, all right, this is an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: go get the very latest from the KFI twenty four

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Speaker 1: hour newsroom.

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Speaker 2: And here is Deborah Mark