1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and love. Michael 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Verishow is on the air. 3 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: I imploded all over the years that the group of 4 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: people that I get, the category of listener that I 5 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: get the most emails from, is truckers. 6 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 3: And I've told you my love affair being fifty five. 7 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: In the seventies, when I was a little kid, truckers 8 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 3: were everything. Man you had smoking, the bandit you had, 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 3: BJ and the bear you had, I mean, trucking and 10 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 3: truckers was it. And have had family members to do. 11 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: I mean it's and one of the things I've learned 12 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: over the years is truckers. And the crazy thing about 13 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: this is I will have guy call in that quit 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: school in the eighth grade, and he will he doesn't 15 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: think of himself as being very smart, and he will 16 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 3: start laying out his position on whatever the issue is, 17 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: and it will be a complicated, complex, multifaceted position, and 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 3: it's on a deeper level than most listeners will will 19 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 3: have because most people just spout out what comes in 20 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 3: and then you ask him what he did for a living. 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: What he does for a living, he's a trucker And 22 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: people are always surprised, like I think they think truckers 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 3: are dumb, and they all of a sudden, go, man, 24 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: that trucker, he's something special. Actually, that's typical. And I've 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,279 Speaker 3: come to this conclusion. Most people today are walking around 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: on their phone and they're living everything in three second bites. 27 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: They get a message a centebasi, get a messay centemys. 28 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: But truckers have time. So they're out there, they're listening 29 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: to talk radio, they're engaging, they're thinking. You have time 30 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: to structure an argument, to layer things, to be to 31 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: really think through things. Anyway, that's just a bit about 32 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: our love affair with truckers. So I heard about a 33 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: book called End of the Road inside the War on 34 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: Truckers by a fellow named Gordon McGill. So we endeavored 35 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 3: to track down Gordon McGill, and we have. He's a 36 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 3: third generation trucker, spent most of his time as a trucker. 37 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: He's been featured all over as a as an expert 38 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 3: on truckers. Because he ain't sitting in an office all day. 39 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: This guy's actually doing it. He has a sub stack 40 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: called Autonomous Truckers. He's our guests and he's the author 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 3: of the new book. We're honored to have you. Welcome 42 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 3: to program. 43 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 4: Hey, mister Barry, Hey, that's thanks very much for having me. 44 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: Yep, all right, So let's start with the title of 45 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 3: this book, End of the Road Inside the War on Truckers. 46 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: What makes you think there is a war on truckers? 47 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 4: Well, sir, I guess the title is a bit more 48 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 4: of a question. As I say in the uh introduction 49 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 4: to the book. You know, I've been asked by a 50 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 4: few people down here in the United States. I'm originally 51 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 4: from Canada. I went home to express solidarity with my 52 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 4: colleagues and fellow citizens at the Freedom Convoy you'll remember 53 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 4: form a few years ago. I remember it well, Yeah, 54 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 4: I've been writing about it ever since. And a couple 55 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: of people asked me, you know, like why truckers. There 56 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 4: must be something else to this. I can't just sit 57 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 4: you know, like why not some other group of workers. 58 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 4: Why did they take the lead on this? And it 59 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 4: always struck me that there was something much deeper going 60 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 4: on than simply Trudeau's capricious and unnecessary mandates. And you know, 61 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 4: I've been in the business my whole life, you know, 62 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: like you say, a third generation. My grandpa's a trucker, 63 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 4: both my uncle and my dad, and I've had quite 64 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 4: an interesting career in the business and I've just sort 65 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 4: of watched it change a lot over my over my 66 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 4: time behind the wheel, especially recently in the last decade, 67 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 4: it's really started to you know, circle the drain, as 68 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 4: it were. And so the question is, you know, uh, 69 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 4: why truckers and is this the end of the road 70 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 4: for them, because we've got you know, we're being told 71 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 4: that we're going to be replaced by robotic autonomous trucks. Yeah, 72 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: at the moment, we seem to be being displaced by 73 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 4: people from overseas. 74 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and all for a second there, Gordon, I want 75 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: to get to the autonomous trucks in just a moment. 76 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: I want to ask you about something that that you 77 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 3: have talked about, which is Delilah's Law and the effect 78 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: that these illegal alien everybody remembers the illegal Punjabi's uh 79 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: Punjabi Indians who were in the truck and didn't know 80 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: what they were doing and got the woman and. 81 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: Her kid killed. But what is Delilah's Law and why 82 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: is it important? 83 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 4: So Delilah's Law is a bill that's got partner legislation 84 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 4: in the Senate. It's sort of a combination of a 85 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 4: bunch of different issues. Basically, you know, English language proficiency 86 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 4: has always been a rule. It's been a regulation since 87 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 4: nineteen thirty seven that you must, you know, communicate effectively 88 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 4: in English to drive a commercial vehicle because there's just 89 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 4: a whole lot of communicating you need to do, and 90 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 4: you have to read communications on signs and from law enforcement. 91 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 4: And you know, you drive across Wyoming on Interstate eighty 92 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 4: and the wind picks up, and they have these big 93 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 4: information sides telling you you have to park or you 94 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 4: have to put your tire chains on going over the 95 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 4: various mountain passes in the winter, construction signs, you know, 96 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 4: directional signs, detour signs, there's always communications you need to 97 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 4: be able to understand. And you know, in twenty sixteen, 98 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 4: the enforcement of that regulation, it wasn't taken off the books. 99 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 4: They just stopped placing drivers out of service as a 100 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 4: matter of policy, and that sort of opened up a 101 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 4: loophole for what was already happening with you know, various 102 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 4: administration's problems with the Southern border and you know, mass 103 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 4: migration coming into the industry. It just allowed for more 104 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 4: of those people to sort of, you know, fly under 105 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 4: the radar and go trucking. And Delilah's Law seeks to 106 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, I guess it's already a regulation, 107 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: it's meant to strengthen it. And it's also meant to 108 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 4: deal with the fact that, you know, since that twenty 109 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 4: sixteen sort of loophole was created, and due to various 110 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 4: other policies and changes brought about, especially under the Biden administration, 111 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 4: we've seen a flood of all kinds of people into 112 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 4: the business. We you know, some people might argue, well, 113 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 4: they were given work authorization by Biden, that means they're legal. Well, 114 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we can talk about that, and 115 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 4: I argue about the minutia of issuing visus to people 116 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 4: as soon as they show up with some kind of 117 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 4: fake asylum claim, which is something our friends from the 118 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 4: Bunjob do with Gusto. And there's an entire network of 119 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 4: human traffickers and smugglers that are those people here to 120 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: do just that. But Delilah's Law is meant to clamp 121 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 4: down on this. And it's named after a little girl 122 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 4: named Delilah Coleman who was in the car with her 123 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 4: mother when they were rear ended by one of these 124 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 4: illegal immigrants from India who was issued a CDL. I 125 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 4: can't remember what state he got it from. But you know, 126 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 4: no training, no comprehension of English, you know, they just 127 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 4: the system that brings these people here. I want to 128 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: be fair. I don't want to just blame people because 129 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 4: they're punjabier from whatever country. But the system that has 130 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: developed to bring these people here to undercut American truckers 131 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: works on the fact that they get trained very quickly, 132 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 4: which is to say they're not being trained. The whole 133 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 4: system is corrupt, and Delilah's Law is one of these 134 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 4: first steps that's meant to correct it. 135 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's a good reminder for people 136 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: that there are real consequences to illegal immigration. When you 137 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: bring people and you set them loose. You know, all 138 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: the systems and structures that we supposedly erected to protect 139 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: our people, those are all gone. 140 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: And and you know. 141 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: We have these regular We're seeing this with importing illegal 142 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: alien or not illegal. 143 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: We're seeing this with importing doctors. And in the. 144 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: State of Texas, Greg Abbott, our governor, we'll get to that. 145 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: I don't care if somebody do restrikes, shoe, you can't shoot. 146 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: Our guess is Gordon mcgild has written a book called 147 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: End of the Road inside the War on Truckers, and 148 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: I was talking about he's talking about Delilah's Law, which 149 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: is designed to protect so we don't have what happened 150 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: with this little girl where an illegal alien truck driver 151 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: from India didn't know what he was doing. California put 152 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: him on the road and people end up hurt and 153 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: dead out of this. 154 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: And we've seen case after case of this. 155 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: We have restrictions and regulations in this country to protect 156 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 3: our people, and then we allow foreigners to come in 157 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: without following those rules because they want to empower these 158 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 3: voting groups so that democrats can be elected by them 159 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 3: and not need our vote. That's what this comes down to. 160 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 3: We were talking about Delilah's Law. Let me ask you, 161 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: Gordon McGill, how the Motor Carrier Act of nineteen eighty 162 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: as I understand it doing my research, it was described 163 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 3: as fundamentally rearranging the economics of the trucking business and 164 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 3: is the problem, the underlying cause of every problem we 165 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 3: have seen in the industry since then. The Motor Carrier 166 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: Act of nineteen eighty. First of all, is that true 167 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: and to what extent or in what manner? 168 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 4: Right, So, the motor carrier Active of nineteen eighty didn't 169 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 4: fundamentally rearrange the economics of the business, because what it 170 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: did was it was a necessary reform. The trucking industry 171 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 4: prior to that was a sort of cartel. It was 172 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 4: very difficult to start a trucking company and to get 173 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 4: an authority rates where expensive service was bad. And you know, 174 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 4: it was a sort of a drag on the economy. 175 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 4: And it was one of the one of a package 176 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 4: of deregulatory reforms undertaken by the Carter administration. The problem 177 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 4: is that the pendulum swung so far in the opposite 178 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: direction that they basically let anybody into the market with 179 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 4: a pulse and three hundred dollars remoter carrier registration number. 180 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 4: Over the years, many problems have begun because of that deregulation, 181 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 4: not necessarily, not because it wasn't necessary, but because some 182 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 4: of the people who demanded it did not want to 183 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 4: deal with the consequences. Right. So, what happens in the 184 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 4: mid nineteen eighties, early the mid nineteen eighties, as the 185 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 4: effects of deregulation take hold, trucking rates start to go down. 186 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 4: Those some drivers decided to check out, get another job, 187 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 4: move on to something else. You know, they want to 188 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 4: work for cheaper and instead of like doing the free 189 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 4: market thing of figuring out how to keep their drivers around, 190 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 4: many of these same free marketers came kap in hand 191 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 4: to the government saying, you know, hey, we have a 192 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 4: shortage of drivers. What they were doing and the system 193 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 4: that developed after this, starting in the late nineteen eighties, 194 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 4: was this claim that there was a shortage of truck drivers. 195 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 4: And what they've done is like they're misclassifying the problem. 196 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 4: They have a retention issue, So they take this shortage narrative, 197 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 4: They go to Congress, they go to states, and they say, hey, 198 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 4: give us money for training. Because a lot of these 199 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 4: larger truck companies, especially in the truckload carrier market, have 200 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 4: ninety to one hundred percent driver turnover every year, and 201 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 4: that driver turnover is being subsidized by the factspayer because 202 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 4: these companies don't want to pay their drivers correctly, and 203 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 4: their whole business model is built around the fact that 204 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 4: they're going to go through one hundred percent of their 205 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 4: drivers every year and that has permeated throughout the rest 206 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 4: of the industry by imposing a wage stealing on everybody 207 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 4: else when the whole. 208 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: Hold on the way hold on. 209 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: This is news to me, and I suspect it's news 210 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 3: to a lot of people. So if they have one 211 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 3: hundred percent driver or turnover, where is the driver going 212 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 3: when he leaves him? 213 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: Are they just? 214 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: Are they just? 215 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: Is this musical chairs? 216 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 4: Sometimes they go to other carriers, you know, thinking the 217 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 4: grass is greener. On the other side, some of them, 218 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 4: a small percentage of those new drivers that are produced 219 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 4: every year will stick with the industry, but the great 220 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 4: majority of them end up washing out and going and 221 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 4: doing something else. And this whole churn, again is in 222 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 4: part subsidized by the taxpayer. So I've referred to it 223 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 4: as a system of stealth corporate welfare masking itself as 224 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 4: a jobs program. Again because after nineteen eighty a lot 225 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 4: of people said we want a free market and trucking, 226 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 4: which is fine, They just didn't want the free market 227 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: and labor. Fast forward a few decades and this system 228 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 4: starts to break down. They try all kinds of scams 229 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 4: to like indenture people, right, so they have this lease 230 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 4: operator model or a trucking company will lease a truck 231 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 4: to a driver, you lease it back to the company 232 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 4: under this sort of crazy arrangement. They own the note 233 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 4: on the truck and all of a sudden, all the 234 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 4: hour and all the all the powers on the side 235 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 4: of the trucking company, and the risk is on the 236 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: guy who signed the lease. Very high washout rate. You know, 237 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 4: people come to find out because everybody knows the trucker 238 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 4: that you know, we're not getting a fair and decent wage. 239 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 4: Truck drivers wages have been sort of frozen in time. 240 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 4: A study was done in twenty sixteen that showed truck 241 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 4: driver's wages at that time were only fifty percent what 242 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 4: they were in inflation of justice dollars as in nineteen eighty. So, 243 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 4: you know, instead of doing anything to fix this, the 244 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 4: trucking industry just keeps trying to throw more bodies at 245 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: the problem. What happens now we have the immigration crisis, illegals, 246 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 4: various other people coming into the country, and there this 247 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 4: system that was built to turn through people all these 248 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 4: publicly funded CDL mills training schools. That system was sort 249 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 4: of replicated and went on steroids into the Biden administration. 250 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,479 Speaker 4: When they brought up this entry level driver training program. 251 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 4: The problem with that is that it looked like the 252 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 4: existing CDL MULL system, except it was self certified, so 253 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 4: nobody was keeping an eye on the store. And now 254 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 4: you have ethnic groups who run truck driving schools in 255 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 4: the United States that advertise to their co ethnics as 256 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 4: in people from not America, and tell them that they 257 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 4: can get their CDL in one week. There's ads for 258 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 4: this kind of stuff all over Facebook and Instagram. They 259 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 4: discriminate against Americans. There are trucking companies in the United 260 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 4: States run by people in Uzbekistan, Pakistan to other countries 261 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 4: in Central Asia, Serbia, Eastern Europe, and they actively discriminate 262 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 4: against American drivers because American drivers don't want to break 263 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 4: the law, don't want to run ragged and work for 264 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 4: even cheaper than they were already being paid. So the 265 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 4: system that was built up to turn through drivers and 266 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 4: treat them like crap before has now met this immigration 267 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 4: problem and it's got exponentially worse. 268 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 3: Well, it's not the only industry that's doing it, but 269 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: that does not in any way diminish how awful this is. 270 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: It is amazing to me how in this country, we 271 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: have allowed and people have chosen to treat our fellow 272 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:21,239 Speaker 3: citizens in such a manner and give business, jobs, money, investment, welfare, 273 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 3: you name it, to people in other countries to save 274 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: a dime, to skirt a law, to do all sorts 275 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: of other things. And it's sickening that it happens, and 276 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 3: that from a legal perspective it happens. But it's also 277 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: sickening that people think this is okay. I mean, I 278 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: go back to the call centers and the idea that 279 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 3: business has decided, you know what, it costs too much 280 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: to have an American answer the customer service call. We'll 281 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 3: ship it overseas, and yeah, they'll complain for a while, 282 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 3: but then they'll get used to it. If the American 283 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: consumer had refines use to tolerate that, now the American 284 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: consumer can't really refuse. What's happening to y'all. And what's 285 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 3: happening to y'all is important to us from a financial perspective, 286 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: but heck, it's also very important to us because you 287 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 3: you know, you move everything that we everything that we 288 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: use ends up, whether it comes by ship or rail 289 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: or all three, a truck's going to move it to 290 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: the end user we where we touch it, but also 291 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 3: they're out on the roads that were and that's dangerous. 292 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: Hang with me for just a moment. Gordon McGill is 293 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: our guest. The book by a truck driver is End 294 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: of the Road Inside the War on Truckers, as does 295 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: Gordon McGill g O R D M A G I 296 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 3: L L. He is a longtime trucker, a third generation trucker. 297 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: It's in his blood. He's written a book called End 298 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: of the Road Inside the War on Truckers. And to 299 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: put this into perspective, every product that you use was 300 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 3: trucked at some point. If it came here from China 301 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 3: or anywhere else, it came by ship. A few things 302 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 3: come by plane, but most things by ship. And then 303 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 3: it arrives at the port, and it was probably moved 304 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 3: throughout the country on rail, and then when it arrived 305 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: at that station by rail, it was warehoused and then 306 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: picked up by a truck, which is kind of the 307 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 3: rifle to the earlier shotgun. This is the precise location 308 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: destination transportation form, and a truck moved it. But a 309 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 3: lot of goods are moved east west, west, east, north 310 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 3: south across this country by trucks, if it's American made. 311 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: It's very important to our commerce, our trucking industry, I 312 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 3: would argue, probably more important than air, certainly in terms 313 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: of goods and services. But it's also important because these 314 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: people are on the road and you're driving your kid 315 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 3: and grandkids out there, and you don't know who's in 316 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: that massive thing that's as big as a house, and 317 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 3: whether they could speak English if needed, if there's an emergency, 318 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 3: whether they're trained, whether they're here legally, whether they're a 319 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 3: bad person, whether they know what the hell they're doing. 320 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 3: What if there's a sign up up in front that 321 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 3: says to do this, this, and this because there's a 322 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 3: road hazard or whatever, and they can't even read it anyway, 323 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: some of the issues we're talking to Gordon McGill with 324 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 3: you mentioned it earlier about the potential of whether whether 325 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: it's some sort of robotic replacement for the truck driver. 326 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 3: Why should that concern people not truck drivers themselves, that's 327 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 3: an obvious answer, but why should that concern us? 328 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 4: Well, I think if you look at the current problems 329 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 4: and trucking, you can predict the ones coming down the 330 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 4: track with autonomous trucks I mentioned the self certification of 331 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 4: CDL mills of surveillance technology that was imposed on truck 332 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 4: drivers in twenty seventeen, the electronic logging device. It was 333 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 4: mandated as part of the MAP twenty one Obama legislation 334 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 4: and then thought over in court for a few years, 335 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 4: and then you know, Elaine Chow finally brings it forward 336 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 4: under Trump one. And this this surveillance technology was supposed 337 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 4: to clamp down on tire truckers manager hours of service 338 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 4: and make sure he couldn't cheat. Because now every single 339 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 4: big truck in America, with a few exceptions, is now monitored, 340 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 4: you know, can be monitored and tracked by the government, 341 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 4: so you can't. It makes it easier, it makes it 342 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 4: more difficult, sorry to cheat. The problem with that is 343 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 4: is that they allowed companies manufacturing elds and the software 344 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 4: that run them to self certify that they complied with 345 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 4: the mandates requirements for that software. What ends up happening 346 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 4: is within a few years, as these you know, companies 347 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 4: start popping up across the United States, often run by 348 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 4: people from overseas or foreign nationals living in the United States, 349 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 4: they backdoor themselves into these electronic logging devices, and rearrange 350 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 4: the hours for the driver driving so that he may 351 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 4: exceed the hours of service limits and drive tired in 352 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 4: an unsafe fashion. This backdooring is only possible because of 353 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 4: the self certification process that you know, the government laid 354 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 4: out for ELD manufacturers into the trucking companies that use them. 355 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 4: Then you have the self certification of autonomous trucks. There, 356 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 4: the autonomous truck system companies are lobbying the government in 357 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 4: a number of ways. There's a gentleman in California, I 358 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 4: believe his name is Vince Song, a Republican maybe only 359 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 4: in name, who put forward a piece of legislation that 360 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 4: would prevent any state from regulating the imposition, testing, or 361 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 4: use of autonomous trucks on their highways. So much for federalism. 362 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 4: They're also trying to do this stunt where they would 363 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 4: also be allowed to self certify that their systems are 364 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 4: not hackable and that any problems that come up with 365 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 4: them will be managed correctly and to assuage the safety 366 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 4: concerns for the motoring public. Again, self certification. We have 367 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 4: seen with the last two pieces of technology, the aled 368 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 4: technology and then the self certification of CDL mills that 369 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 4: the opposite happens when it's self certified. The driver's hours 370 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 4: were not managed properly. Drivers were allowed to keep going, 371 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 4: mostly immigrant drivers working for their coethnic gangsters, and then 372 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 4: they get in all kinds of accidents. Then the CDL 373 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 4: mills are allowed to self certify, and they don't actually 374 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: train anybody. There's no actual training going on. They just 375 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 4: slap you know, they get you passed the test after 376 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 4: maybe a week of training, and now now you're going 377 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 4: down the road. So people need to be worried about that. 378 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 4: Another problem with the autonomous truck stuff is that you know, 379 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 4: I've been following these guys for a few years now, 380 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 4: and they're messaging changes depending on who they're talking to. 381 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 4: One company in particular is called Aurora Innovation, And if 382 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 4: you look at Aurora's public marketing, if you look at 383 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 4: what Aurora tells the government, and then you look at 384 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 4: what Aurora tells their investors, it's actually three different messages. 385 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 4: There's only one of those groups of people that are 386 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 4: not allowed to lie to, and that's the investors because 387 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 4: the Securities and Exchange Commission will come after you in 388 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 4: a heartbeat. So if you go and look at their 389 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 4: investor reports. There you will find the truth about what 390 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 4: they're up to. They will tell the public. They will 391 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 4: tell truck drivers, Oh, we don't want to unemploy you, 392 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 4: We just want to get you better jobs. They think 393 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 4: that truck drivers don't like driving. Both truck drivers got 394 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 4: into the business because they like driving. They like trucking. 395 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 4: Aurora wants to have us believe that they will get 396 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 4: jobs for all of us working in humpy yards, you know, 397 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 4: hooking the robotic trucks up the trailers and doing other 398 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 4: little maintenance and preparation tasks, or being a remote service specialist. However, 399 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 4: in one of their investor reports, they said that they 400 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 4: were going to have one remote support specialist for one 401 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 4: hundred trucks. So imagine being a drone operator having to 402 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 4: look after one hundred semis going down the road like 403 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 4: what what? Most people have a hard enough time looking 404 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 4: after one while they're right there driving it. How were 405 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 4: you supposed to execute a you know, an emergency safety 406 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 4: situation when you're babysitting ninety nine other trucks from afar 407 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 4: by a screen. I don't know, man, it sounds pretty 408 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 4: sketchy to me. 409 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: Will you paint a pretty depressing picture there. Gord Gordon 410 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: McGill is our guest. He's a third generation trucker with 411 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: a lot of experience. 412 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: Behind the wheel. 413 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 3: He's written a book about the industry as it relates 414 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: to truckers, as it relates to transportation, as it relates 415 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 3: to us as people also out on on the road. 416 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: The book is called In of the Road, Inside the 417 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: War on Truckers. We will continue our conversation with him 418 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 3: for one more segment, just a note of appreciation. Over 419 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: the years, I have received a lot of positive encouragement, feedback, advice, 420 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: commentary from the truckers in our listening audience. And that 421 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 3: is a vast audience that is out there carrying the 422 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 3: goods and sending it down the line. And I just 423 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: want you to know we do appreciate you. Maybe you're 424 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: never told that you appreciate it. It's a tough life. 425 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: It's long hours, especially long haul guys, you're away from 426 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 3: your family, and maybe ever so often it's nice to 427 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 3: hear a word of encouragement back. So to all of 428 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 3: our truckers out there, think Gordon McGill is our guest 429 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 3: and will continue from him. They remain scared the death 430 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 3: of you and they remain scared to death of true, Michael, 431 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: You're not going anywhere even if Trump does, You're not. 432 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 3: We are speaking with the young men by the name 433 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: of Gord GRD short for Gordon mcgil. Gordon McGill, his 434 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 3: third generation trucker. He's got a lot of trucking experience himself. 435 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 3: He's written a book called End of the Road, Inside 436 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 3: the War on Truckers. And I guess my next question 437 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 3: to you, and then I want to talk about the 438 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: Freedom Convoy, which we did a real fun parody on 439 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 3: these truck driving schools that are just handing out CDLs 440 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 3: like candy. You referred bringing in importing these folks. You 441 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 3: referred earlier to federal government funding being a problem with 442 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 3: all this, and you called it stealth corporate welfare masked 443 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 3: as a jobs program, which isn't the only thing operating 444 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: like that. But boy kind of made me think of 445 00:25:54,040 --> 00:26:00,719 Speaker 3: the Mogadishu daycare centers, the Leering Center in Minnesota. But 446 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 3: what happened there. It sounds to me like a program 447 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 3: that had a good intention. Hey, let's put people through 448 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 3: driving school. But you say they go get their driving 449 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 3: program license and then they don't make it in the business. 450 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 3: It's harder than you realize, and it's so the only 451 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 3: people I guess making money out of this deal are 452 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 3: the schools. Is We've seen this fraud with welding schools. 453 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 3: We've seen this fraud with all sorts of these vocational tech. 454 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: What started as a good idea ends up becoming a 455 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: waste of our taxpayer funds. 456 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: Is that what's going on. 457 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 4: That's exactly what's going on, sir. There's a lot of 458 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 4: new auces to this, and it's fairly complicated, but you know, 459 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, yeah, maybe they did 460 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 4: have good intentions. Another thing that the Biden administration did 461 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one, when the trucking market got real hot. 462 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 4: Everybody's at home getting their Biden bucks and shopping on Amazon. 463 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 4: So for a minute there, trucking was in high demand. 464 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 4: And you know, the people who started this corporate welfare program, 465 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 4: the American Trucking Associations, a corporate lobby group who does 466 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 4: not represent a single truck driver in America, came to 467 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 4: the Biden administration and said, we're having to pay an 468 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 4: extra seven to twelve percent premium on our drivers who 469 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 4: usually quit within one year. Anyway, and they're quitting sooner 470 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 4: because all kinds of guys are getting into the market 471 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 4: because the prices are hot. Right, So the market was 472 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 4: doing what the market was doing, and this corporate lobby 473 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 4: group demanded the government help them because their drivers were quitting, 474 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 4: and they didn't do anything themselves to try and keep 475 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 4: them right again. People who claim to be free market 476 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 4: don't want to free market in labor. Everybody is a 477 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 4: capitalist until the price of labor is good up, and 478 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 4: then they become a frigging greedy socialist looking for handouts. 479 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 4: So the Biden administration convenes something called the twenty twenty 480 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 4: one Trucking Task Force, which was supposed to come up 481 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 4: with an action plan to reinforce our supply chains have 482 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 4: to be esked again with the American trucking associations. However, 483 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 4: Biden and at the time Transportation Secretary people to Judge 484 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 4: and his friends in McKenzie Consulting sought input from other 485 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 4: actors and organizations in the trucking industry, you know, from 486 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 4: as far afield as the North Americans, DOUN job a 487 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 4: Trucking Association, real Women and Trucking, various academics and all 488 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 4: of those people two a group two A person told 489 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 4: the Biden administration, there's no such thing as a driver shortage. 490 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 4: The market works fairly well. There's studies done in the 491 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 4: University of Minnesota Morris on this. There's a whole school 492 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 4: up there that studies nothing but trucking. A gentleman from MIT, 493 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 4: a data scientist named David Carrell, submitted testimony to the 494 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 4: Biden administration saying the problem isn't that we don't have 495 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 4: enough drivers. The problem is the places they interact with, 496 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 4: shipping facilities, distribution centers, warehouses, fruit sheds, vegetable sheds, you 497 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 4: name it. Those places are terribly organized and run and 498 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 4: they waste a whole lot of truck driver's time. And 499 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 4: by their calculations, forty percent of the United States total 500 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 4: trucking capacity is wasted every single day by drivers sitting 501 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 4: around at docks waiting to get loaded and unloaded, for 502 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: which the vast majority of those drivers are not paid. 503 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: I hear that, Biden, go ahead. 504 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, no, it's crazy. So Biden takes 505 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,239 Speaker 4: all this information on or I shouldn't say Biden. I mean, 506 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: he was a walking corpse, but like the people working 507 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 4: with Buddha Jedge and McKenzie and the Department of Transportation 508 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 4: take all this information and instead of doing anything to 509 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 4: correct those problems, instead of telling the members of the 510 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: American Trucking associations to go pound stand and figure out 511 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 4: how to keep their own drivers or how to figure 512 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 4: out their own retention problem, they decided to flood the 513 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 4: market with more drivers. A year after the convention of 514 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 4: this Trucking Action planned Task Force, whatever you want to 515 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 4: call it, they bragged about how they had doubled the 516 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 4: annual production of commercial driver's licenses from roughly four hundred 517 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 4: to four hundred and fifty thousand a year are produced 518 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 4: every year again because we have a retention to turn 519 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 4: problem that people quit all the time, and they doubled 520 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 4: it to eight hundred and seventy six thousand. How did 521 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,479 Speaker 4: they do that? How did they do that? How did 522 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 4: they do that? How did they manage to just summon 523 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 4: an extra four hundred plus thousand truck drivers out of 524 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 4: the ether? Okay, when everybody's stay at home getting their 525 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 4: biden box. Where did they find these people? Some friends 526 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 4: of mine at an organization called American Truckers United out 527 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 4: of Arkansas did some studies on what states are issuing 528 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 4: CDLs and started looking into this question of like, where 529 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 4: did all these extra drivers come from? And over the 530 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 4: years and over their research and a bunch of other people, 531 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 4: including myself, looking at this, it has become extremely clear 532 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 4: that those extra that doubling of drivers included all of 533 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 4: these illegals, migrants, refugees, and that was done with taxpayer dollars. 534 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 4: Biden increased money to truck driving schools. They're also using 535 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 4: NGOs and nonprofits whose business it is to settle refugees, 536 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 4: asylum seekers of illegals and get them jobs. So these 537 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 4: do gooders think they're trying to help by putting all 538 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 4: kinds of incompetent illiterates into the truck industry, but what 539 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 4: they were doing was engaging in displacement. Because at that 540 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 4: same time that all this is happening, the market changed, 541 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 4: So from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty six, and 542 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 4: it's just starting to change here in the last couple 543 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 4: of months. But basically there was nearly four years of 544 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 4: freight recession. The market was flat, and so in that time, 545 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 4: something on the order of over eight thousand American trucking 546 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 4: companies have gone out of business. Was however, many thousands 547 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 4: of truck drivers losing their jobs, yet everything still keeps 548 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 4: getting delivered. Why they were displaced by all of the migrants, refugees, 549 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 4: asylum claimants, illegals. All these people swept into the industry 550 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 4: under these programs by the Biden administration that were opened 551 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 4: up in twenty twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two 552 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 4: and have been active ever since. 553 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 3: You know, Gord, what's crazy about this is this is 554 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 3: the kind of stuff that gets repeated. We have a 555 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 3: driver shortage, and there's a reason for that. Right if 556 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 3: I own the driving school and I want you to 557 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: spend money, I want I want to get government money. 558 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 3: Everybody wants government money. It's free money. You don't really 559 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 3: have a consumer You just get handed cash, you know, 560 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 3: cash for clunkers, the PPP. Everybody wants money from the government, 561 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 3: which means we're just shuffling our money amongst ourselves and 562 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 3: the people who are winning out of this, or the 563 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 3: people who get to redistribute it, and the people who 564 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 3: take more than they gave. But you hear there's a 565 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 3: trucker shortage, there's a trucker shortage, and you say no, 566 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: there's not. Let me tell you how I know there's not, 567 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 3: because every group that's a stakeholder in this process, every 568 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 3: group that's involved in this process, will tell you there's 569 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 3: not a trucker shortage. 570 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: Well, and then you. 571 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 3: Realize it's kind of like when they told you that 572 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 3: plastics were filling up the ocean. You are six feet 573 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 3: was a good distance during COVID. You realize somebody made 574 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 3: that up for a purpose, and it just gets repeated 575 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 3: because nobody has the time. 576 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: To stop and really really ask questions. Gordon McGill. 577 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 4: They could have asked questions. There's very basic questions. But 578 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 4: in the market economy, if there's a shortage of something, 579 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 4: you increase the price and then you get the thing 580 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 4: you want. Somebody ever asked. Nobody ever asked. After decades 581 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 4: of throwing money at CDL mills and training centers, nobody 582 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 4: bothered asking is the fact fair getting any value for this? 583 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 4: What's the matter with you jobs? And why do we 584 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,959 Speaker 4: have to keep putting money into this stuff? 585 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: Nobody ever asked the boy. 586 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: Heard against it break. 587 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 3: Thank you, my man, looking forward to visiting with you 588 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 3: more in the future. 589 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: You're a great guest. Gordon McGill. 590 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 3: The book is into the room inside the War on 591 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 3: truck ELSLI Name, thank you and good night.