WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Help I Need Somebody 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:05.840 Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thank you for 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:12.600 downloading the Bengals Boot podcast The help I need somebody addition, 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:15.960 as we discuss the return of the red Rifle Andy 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.960 Dalton to the Bengals starting lineup heading into Sunday's game 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.080 against the four and seven New York Jets. Coming up, 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.720 we'll have a very candid conversation with Andy about how 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.280 he handled his benching and his hopes going forward. Then 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.320 Dave Lapham and I will discuss the quarterback switch and 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.080 with the three game sample size taught us about the 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.840 future of Ryan Finlay. My locker room conversation this week 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:42.519 is with Bengals cornerback Darquez Denard, and in our Know 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.760 the Faux segment, we'll talk to Rich Samini, who covers 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.120 the Jets for ESPN. All of that is straight ahead, 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.680 but first, here's a quick reminder that you can have 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.760 the latest edition of this podcast delivered as soon as 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.200 it's recorded, right to your phone, tablet, or computer by 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.000 subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest thing 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:09.319 since the ability to remember names. Aren't you jealous of 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.160 people who have an uncanny ability to remember names? I 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:18.880 consider that a superpower right up there with invisibility in flying. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:23.319 So if we've met before and I don't remember your name, 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:30.280 I apologize. Unfortunately I do not possess that superpower. Now, 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.280 let's get to football. The last time the New York 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.479 Jets came to Paul Brown Stadium back in twenty thirteen, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:41.280 Andy Dalton through a career high five touchdown passes. Nobody 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.600 expects that this Sunday, but the Bengals hope that he 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:46.800 plays well enough to give them a chance to win. 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:52.360 Simply put, Ryan Finlay didn't. In three starts. The rookie 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.360 completed forty seven percent of his passes and had a 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:59.520 passer rating of sixty two point one. Nobody wants to 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.480 be part of an Owen sixteen team, and it was 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.600 hard to envision a Bengals victory at this stage of 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:10.200 Finley's development. So Andy Dalton is back, and if he 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:14.240 throws one touchdown pass on Sunday, he'll become the Bengals 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:18.200 all time leader. He's currently tied with Kenny Anderson. Andy 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.400 sat down with Dave Lapham and me to discuss his 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.120 return to the starting lineup following the game on Sunday, Andy, 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.320 did you wonder in the back of your head if 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.520 Zach might go back to you in the starting lineup. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.880 You know, I didn't think it was going to happen. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.919 I think I've I've had so many conversations with Zach 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.160 and even after the decision was made where I wasn't 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:44.359 gonna be starting anymore. And yeah, I guess maybe in 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.560 the back of my mind that there's a possibility, but 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.000 I didn't. I didn't think it was going to happen. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.519 So you're a man of faith and a family man. 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.840 How important of those two components to your life been 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.200 in dealing with what you've been dealing with here. Yeah, 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:02.560 it's been the biggest thing for me. You know, I think, Um, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.840 I was saying earlier when when it first happened, I 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:09.560 was just bitter. Didn't like I was wanting to not 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.000 be the same person that I've been wanting to choose 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.480 to you know, uh, not help out, just sit in 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.079 the meeting and get through the rest of the season 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.639 and then let it go on. But it's like, that's 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.640 not who I am, that's not who I'm called to be. 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.880 It's um, now, I'd be choosing to be somebody that 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.920 I'm not. And so you know that weighed on me 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:32.399 heavy and um and and for then, I was just like, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:37.040 just be yourself. You know, God's gonna honor whatever. If 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:38.960 you handle this the right way, God's gonna honor you. 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.600 And um, you know, I felt like that's how I 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:43.440 had to I had to be. I know, I told 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.600 everybody well right when it first happened in the team meeting, 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.680 like I'm gonna be the same guy I'm you know, 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.400 don't don't feel awkward around me. It's gonna be It's 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.640 gonna be okay. You know, I'll get through it. Um. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.880 But uh, you know, and I felt like I was 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.280 that way even on game day. I felt like I 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.040 was giving suggestion and trying to help right out as 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.160 much as I could, and uh, you know, trying to 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.000 help this team win. Yep, we're visiting with Andy Dalton. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.000 There's an old saying you don't appreciate someone or you 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.720 don't appreciate something until it's gone, and you haven't been gone. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.080 But after you were taken out of the starting lineup, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.720 it seems to me there was an outpouring of appreciation 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.440 and respect that I'm not sure that you got when 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.520 you were leading the team to the playoffs five years 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.359 on a row. Did you feel that long overdue? Yeah, 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:31.840 you know, I have received a lot of support and so, um, 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.400 you know, it's it's kind of a weird spot to 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.800 be in, you know when you're uh, you know, felt like, 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.760 you know, I didn't deserve to to not be playing, 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.800 but you know, I guess I understood a little bit 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.600 what Zach was trying to do, but I mean I 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.119 didn't agree with it and all that kind of stuff. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.679 And then m yeah, a lot of people have supported 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.200 me through it, and um, yeah, I think that's it's 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:55.720 it's been cool to see, you know, there's people that 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.120 gave to our foundation and in different things like that, 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.360 and um, I mean will always take that and we'll 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.120 be able to help so many kids and families with 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.560 with that kind of stuff. But it's always nice when 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.920 you have to support of the city around you. Let's 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.719 get to the football game itself. Your strengths, or one strength. 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:18.120 One of your strengths, in my opinion, is diagnosis. Confident 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.800 in your diagnosis. Get it out. And Greg Williams is 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.320 the master disguise. He's got every pressure package in the book. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:29.240 He's got players to utilize to fit his schematic M. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:30.920 Do you feel like you have a good plan, you 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.160 feel like you're really ready to just tear this thing 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.680 up on Sunday. Yeah, that's the goal, you know, I 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.400 feel like and I've I've I've watched a lot of tape, 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.480 a lot of film, and I mean, they are a 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:44.279 very disguised defense, and um, you know, guys start in 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.200 one spot, run out to two different areas, and so 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.320 you got to be ready for it. And yeah, I 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.919 feel like I've played enough football where now I understand 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.599 how teams are trying to play and when what they're 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.240 trying to do. And there'll be some new stuff on Sunday. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.760 I'm sure that they will get But yeah, I feel 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.080 I feel confident with what we got going. The team 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.640 really struggled to run the ball the first eight weeks, 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.799 and over the last several weeks they've tweaked the scheme 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.440 a bit. Things are going much better, averaging far above 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.760 one hundred rushing yards a game over the last three games. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.440 How much do you think that can help you lead 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.120 this team to a victory. Yeah, obviously we knew the 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.760 run games struggled early on, and while I was playing it, 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.440 it got tough of times because we had to be 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.560 one demential and so you know, hopefully we can get 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.440 this thing going and uh, you know, keep keep the 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.200 momentum that we have running the ball because I mean, 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.520 anytime you can run the ball, I mean it sets 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.920 up your whole offense. There's three phases to every football game. 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.280 Special teams coming into our last week's game number one 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.240 in the NFL, I mean, they've really done a good 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.599 job defensively, not on top of the running game, offensively 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.080 for complimentary football within that phase of the game. Defensively, 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.919 seventeen sixteen points. That's that's winning football, you know, on 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.520 that side of the ball. So the running games improved, 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.680 the defence has improved. I mean that's going to give 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.200 you a lot of a lot of confidence going into 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:05.880 this football game. I think if you look at the 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.360 best teams out there, their defense is playing really well 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.640 and they can run the ball, and so, um, you know, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.680 if you if you're playing well in those phases of 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.120 the game, I think it you know, allows you a 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.200 chance to to win each week. And so you know 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.240 that's our goal this week. Hopefully we we we play 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.320 the kind of way we've been playing on defense and 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:26.520 the same as special teams, and you get the run 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:30.720 game going real quick. I know, um, your your situation, 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.520 that the conversations you have with Zach so and I 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.480 know you know you weren't real happy. There was even 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.880 talk about just go ahead and trade me. So in 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.600 your mind right now, you're not just playing for the 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.520 Cincinnati Bengals evaluation, you're playing for thirty one of the teams. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.280 To take a look at what Andy Dalton's all about. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.720 After having been sat down, come back? What's you got? 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.320 I mean, what kind of what kind of intestinal for? What? 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.320 What's this guy all about? All the way around? Is 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.440 that pretty accurate? Yeah, I mean I understand the situation 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.280 that we're in and and everything, and so you know, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.960 I'm I'm trying to put the best stuff out there 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.120 that I can. You know, if if that's for here, 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.400 then great, If that's for somewhere else, I mean, that's 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.720 it's all to be determined to going forward. But you know, 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.680 my whole goal is to win and win right now 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.080 and win some of these last games. And you know, 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.800 I think that's the most important thing right now. How 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.800 frustrating was it because players were coming up to me 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.200 and stay lab four teams and we win these last 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.560 two games. How frustrating was it to you to be 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:32.559 on the sideline thinking if I was in the football game, man, 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.640 I mean, can you let that kind of enter your 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.560 thoughts or do you have to kind of keep them out? Now? 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.320 I think for any competitor, you want to you feel 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.160 like your skill set should be able to help the team. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:49.520 And you know, for me, regardless of the situation, I'm 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.720 going to be confident in myself and know that, Okay, 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.760 there's some little things that I feel like I can 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.280 do that that they can help us win. And you 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.360 only get that through experience. So for Ryan, Ryan was 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.040 getting great experience in those those three weeks and this 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:03.520 stuff that he's gonna take with for the rest of 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.360 his football career. And he's gonna understand like he went 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.840 against some really good defenses. I mean, you go against 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.720 the Ravens, the Steelers and uh you know some of 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:16.679 the blitz stuff that that that apology can do in Oakland. Uh, So, 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.880 I mean he's gonna just the best. Um, the best 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:21.760 thing for you is experience and playing in the game. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.560 So you know, when you've played for nine years and 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.480 you understand and you've seen so much. I felt like 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.920 there's little things that I can do to definitely help 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.480 this team and help this team win. We've kept here 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.480 for one more minute than promise. This is my last question. Lap. 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.520 You're not allowed to have anything. I got one more 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.760 good one. I think you're tied with Kenny Anderson all 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.040 time touchdown passes. I know you don't play for numbers. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.360 You're trying to win championships, but it felt to me 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.640 like your Cincinnati story couldn't end the way it did. 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.680 You know, having your starting spot take and being tied 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.160 in the record book, there's there's a chance here for 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.360 a happy ending. Yeah, you know. It was one of 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.080 those things. It's like, well, am I gonna get in 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.920 that last game? Let's get one more touchdown fast, just 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:10.440 so I have bragging rights over Kenny. Yeah, but you know, 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.319 who knows what's gonna happen. I think that's one thing 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.240 that through these last several weeks, I truly have had 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.520 to trust in God's plan for for my life, for 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.080 my career, my my family and all the stuff that 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.240 goes into it, and so um, you know, hopefully we 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.120 can score a lot of touchdowns and uh and hopefully 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.240 that record gets broken. Here we have one more quick 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:35.160 quick yeah. No, in you're mentoring and you're a hell 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:36.720 of a mentor. I can't think of a better mentor 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.560 for young quarterback. But you're mentoring Ryan Finley and he 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:45.080 went through some some knocks really, I mean hard lessons. Ultimately, 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.960 you know, if for him to come out now and 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.920 you do your thing, I know he's probably not happy. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.079 No competitors happy when it's taken away. But in the end, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.080 when he cools down in hindsight, it might be the 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.200 best thing that ever happened to him, because if he 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.760 goes out there and get torn apart by Greg Williams 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.360 and the Jets, I mean, at some point in time, man, 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.000 there's that fine line where you're breaking a young guy's 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.400 confidence to the point where he'll never recover. I mean, 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.840 is there something to that When you're mentoring a young 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.960 guy like that, it's got to be part of it. 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.280 But as a as a quarterback and in the way 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:19.720 you have to play the game, you have to forget 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.640 about what's already happened to you. You can't focus on that, 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:27.160 and so um, you know, yeah, is there could there 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.680 be a confidence issue with that? There could be. I 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.840 don't think Ryan's built that way. I don't think he's 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.720 He's gonna ever ever lacked confidence in himself. That's just 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.680 kind of the person he is and so m But 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.800 you know, it's one of those things where Zach obviously 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:46.160 felt like I could help his out, and I'm glad 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.720 he didn't. Now time for my weekly podcast visit with 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.720 Lap as we cover the quarterback switch, the return of 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:57.040 Corty Glenn, and previews Sunday's matchup against the Jets. Lap. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.960 Ryan Finley is out, Andy Dalton is back. Why did 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.719 Zach Taylor go back to the red rifle? Well, as 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.600 you so aptly found out in your research that Andy 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.240 Dalton was getting the ball out of his hand in 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.600 two point two eight seconds, second best in the NFL 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.840 when he was playing, and Ryan Finley two point eight three, 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.240 second worst in the NFL when he was playing. So 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.040 going against the Greg Williams defense, that's going to be 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.319 showing you everything under the sun in terms of pressure packages. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.880 I think you know the experience that Andy Dalton has 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.440 with those kind of defenses that he's played against over 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.120 the years in the division and outside of the Division, 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.840 I think he just felt like got to win a 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.880 football game, and he gives us the best option. The 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.240 week before, he decided to play Corty Glenn left tackle 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.640 is stabilize that position, and the reason was players that 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.840 he talked to. Coach. You know, we know it's a 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.280 tough pill maybe for some people to swallow, but we 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.800 got we got to win a football game. So making 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:52.520 the decision to go back to Andy Dalton, he gives 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.280 them their best chance to win a game against teams 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.920 you know that have a coordinator like like Greg Williams, 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.959 I Bill Belichi at coach defense with the Patriots, and 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.560 I mean they're going to change looks on a snap 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.240 by on a series by series basis. So experience counts 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.959 in some of these games down the stretch. Lap three 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.960 games as a small sample size, But based on what 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:15.679 we saw of Ryan Finley, what do you think his 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.200 ceiling is? I think that's hard to say, hard to 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:25.079 call right now because you know, not having the best 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.640 receiving corps available to him, I think that's tough. I 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.560 think it's it was tough for Andy not to have 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.440 the two best receivers that the Bengals have as options 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.160 out there. So I think how much more difficult. It 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.400 must be for you know, a rookie quarterback. And you know, 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.840 sometimes I couldn't tell if he didn't see the field 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.360 or if he didn't like what he saw when he 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.200 was seeing in the field. In terms of guys winning, 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.800 you know, making the adjustment from the college level of 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.000 the NFL level. Is the windows closed so much faster, 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.559 and when you're out there in an NFL regular season game, 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.000 not a preseason game where there are backups. That's more 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.360 like probably what he saw in college. Now see an 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.080 NFL regular season action, and man, those windows are closing, 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.360 so you're you're thinking, should I cut it loose? Should 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.000 I do it? Man? Is that enough? Because you're evaluating 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.160 your arm strength with the window And he's smart enough 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.680 maybe to think should I or shouldn't I? And you 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.200 can't be in a should should I or shouldn't I? 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.680 Position in the National Football League. That's that's a losing proposition. 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.120 And his numbers showed that, you know, forty seven percent 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.960 and didn't didn't get done when he needed to get done. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.320 So I think, I think is great at this point 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:35.280 is incomplete um, but it's it's not It's not a 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.640 passing grade at this point in time, it's incomplete. What 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.080 about arms strength? Pro Football Focus had the stat were 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.000 on passes thrown more than ten yards down the field 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.640 and outside the hash marks, he was three for eighteen. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.920 Seemed like some of those passes were floating dangerously close 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.320 to being intercepted. Would that be a huge concern in 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.800 your opinion? I think that's the that's the biggest thing 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.080 that uh, that you have to be starting about looking 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.600 at it. Um even the touchdown pass the Tyler Boyd waffled, 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.120 you know down the football field, it wasn't it wasn't 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.320 a tight Uh. You never saw a frozen rope. You 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.040 never saw it on a string or clothesline, which I mean, 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:17.400 it was in there. And you know, honestly, I'm looking 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.840 at Andy Dalton's arm strength and Ryan Fielding's arms strength. 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.760 There's no doubt in my mind that Andy Dalton has 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.640 a has more arm talent in terms of strength arm strength, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:28.520 you know. And so I think there have been guys 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.400 though over the years, and you know, you can go 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.280 back in the wayback machine and there are plenty of 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.680 quarterbacks that have had successful careers in the National Football 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.800 League that don't have a howitzer hanging off of their 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.800 right shoulder. But they do throw, you know, with anticipation 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.080 and accuracy, and that was the thing on him coming 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:51.240 in anticipation, accuracy, pocket presence, slidestep, climb the pocket when 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:52.720 it got the heat of the battle. A lot of 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:56.600 that stuff was not was not there for him. Again, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:02.720 small sample size three games, but arm strength, you know it. 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.720 Throwing the football through a wall is not the only 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.520 requirement to playing quarterback in the National Football League. But 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.800 if you have all the other things, that's the that's 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.440 the tiebreaker, man, that's the difference maker right there. The 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.640 conspiracy theorists are out. I've seen a lot of people 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.280 suggest that Mike Brown was pulling the strings when Zach 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:28.800 Taylor went back to Andy Dalton byatt No, I don't. 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.880 Mike Brown, I'm sure was in full support of it. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.160 But Mike Brown realized that Andy Dalton when they were 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.040 oh and eight, that he was getting beaten up and 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:42.120 that that Zach wanted to evaluate Ryan Finley, and he didn't, 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.000 you know, disallow it. I mean, he said, okay, if 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.160 that's what you want to do on I'm okay, I'm 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:51.200 with you. And when Zach, in my mind, when they 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:52.920 met said, you know, I think we need to go 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.640 back to Andy Dalton because we want to win football 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.560 games here. I mean it's like you don't want to 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:02.440 you don't want to make a statement in Courty Glenn 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.520 at left tackle distasteful. I mean that's like, that's like 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.120 swallowing the bitterest pill there ever is to go back 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.000 to Courty Glenn with all that went down, I mean 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.320 a lot of water over that, damn. So if you 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.560 do that, and when you pulled players, it's like, coach, 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.840 you know, we understand their issues, but we got to 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.320 win a game. If he's our best left tackle, let's 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.440 play him. So I'm sure that I know I was 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.119 hearing it from players. Hey, we would have won that 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.240 game with fourteen in there. We would have won both 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.280 these games with fourteen in there. So I know I 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.440 know Zach had to be hearing it if I'm hearing it, 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.479 so to me, you can't send a mixed message. You 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.520 can't say. What coaches look for in players is consistency 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.159 in their performance, in their effort. They don't want it 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.480 peaks and valleys, ups and downs. Players look for consistency 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.840 from coaches too, So if you make a move to 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.639 solidify your left tackle position. Quarterbacks a hell of a 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.560 lot more important than that. Make the move back to 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.480 solidify the quarterback position. And I think Zach realized he 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.399 had to do that or he was in danger of 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:08.480 losing team because Dan nobody wants to be on Owen sixteen. 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.720 Team that stays with you forever. How about a first 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.960 year head coach. Do you think he wants that to 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.320 be the thing that people will remember him for. Everybody 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.840 remembers the Cleveland Browns won Owen sixteen, but they want 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.359 one in thirty one. They were one in fifty. Nobody 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.560 thinks about the one in thirty one. It's just man 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.439 Owen sixteen. That's the scarlet letter, you know, in the 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.919 in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Detroit Lions, the 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.359 Cleveland Browns, and that stays with you. You're always a 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:38.320 member of that football team. Geno Atkins on Pro Football 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.560 Hall of Fame possibility. Don't want that mark of Owen 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.720 sixteen on your resume. You know, nobody nobody wants that 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.160 that type of thing. So I'm telling you, with five 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.359 games left, the pressure is going to start to mount. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.199 These guys want to and feel like they have to 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.840 get a win. They do not want to join the 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.720 scarlet letter club. Getting back to what you were saying 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.920 about what players look for out of coaches, they want 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.960 to see that consistency. How about the fact that, to me, 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.359 the number one thing that a player wants from the 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.760 coach is to put you in the best possible position 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.720 to win, right, no doubt, absolutely no doubt. I mean, 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.560 you know people are that are like, you know, all right, 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:20.760 just just lose all the rest of your games and 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.480 get the first pick of the draft. It's not fantasy football. Yeah, 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.280 and it's if you're if that's your DNA, you're not 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.199 going to last in the NFL. You shouldn't even be 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.280 in the NFL that that can't be your DNA. So 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.800 it's easy for the fans to say, because you're right, 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.520 it's not fantasy football. But you know you're you're getting 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.600 evaluated on game tape every week, not just by the Bengals, 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:46.360 by all thirty one teams, because if your situation ends 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.960 in Cincinnati, who's going to be looking at you all 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.879 thirty one other teams? Did this guy tank when they 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.760 were losing games and they're on eleven? How did he play? 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.840 Oh Man? He's playing his tailoff. Let's take a look 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.639 this guy. He put it neutral. He's I see seven 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.360 loaves out of the out of the forty plays. Don't 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.560 want that guy. So you're talking about your career, You're 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.359 talking about your livelihood, you're talking about feeding your family, 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:15.199 all those things. They're not in a mindset. Players and 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.480 coaches are not in a mindset to say, let's lose 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.159 them all and get the number one pick in the draft. Ludicrous. 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.240 You're also playing a sport that puts your short term 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.840 and long term health in jeopardy, let's face it, and 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:31.679 people expect them to go out there and intentionally lose. Seriously, 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:37.480