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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thank you for

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Speaker 1: downloading the Bengals Boot podcast The help I need somebody addition,

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Speaker 1: as we discuss the return of the red Rifle Andy

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Speaker 1: we'll have a very candid conversation with Andy about how

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Speaker 1: Dave Lapham and I will discuss the quarterback switch and

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Speaker 1: with the three game sample size taught us about the

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Speaker 1: is with Bengals cornerback Darquez Denard, and in our Know

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Speaker 1: the Faux segment, we'll talk to Rich Samini, who covers

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Speaker 1: but first, here's a quick reminder that you can have

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Speaker 1: subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest thing

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Speaker 1: since the ability to remember names. Aren't you jealous of

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Speaker 1: consider that a superpower right up there with invisibility in flying.

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Speaker 1: So if we've met before and I don't remember your name,

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Speaker 1: I apologize. Unfortunately I do not possess that superpower. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's get to football. The last time the New York

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Speaker 1: Simply put, Ryan Finlay didn't. In three starts. The rookie

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Speaker 1: So you're a man of faith and a family man.

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Speaker 1: How important of those two components to your life been

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Speaker 1: There's an old saying you don't appreciate someone or you

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Speaker 1: Bengals feel the trust was violated in their mind. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think by just a little bit. I think

429
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Speaker 1: it's a major breach of trust. So, you know, is

430
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Speaker 1: it a white lie? You know kind of thing can

431
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: you recover from a white lie. Yeah, you can recover

432
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: from a white lie, But man, did you did you

433
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: put together this big plot? You know that it was

434
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: more than a white lie. Can you recover from that?

435
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: So that that's to be determined. But bottom line is

436
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of things in the National Football League

437
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: that you wonder, how can they live with each other? Answer?

438
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: The dude can play. If you can play, you can

439
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: live with a lot of things. And if Cordy Glenn

440
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: shows you can play, and you saw what it was like,

441
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, when they didn't have somebody out there to

442
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Speaker 1: stabilize it the left tackle position. The biggest thing is

443
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Speaker 1: what will Jonah Williams be like? That's the key because

444
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: they were gonna move Courty Glenn into guard. If Jonah

445
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: Williams is fine and he can play the left tackle position,

446
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: all of a sudden that trust is a little bit

447
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: more of an issue. But if you have a guy

448
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: that can play it's not then it's a different kind

449
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: of trust issue. Let's look at the defense. They've given

450
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: up seventeen and sixteen points over their last two games,

451
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: the only two this year where they've allowed fewer than twenty.

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Speaker 1: Are they figuring things out under lou An Rumo or

453
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Speaker 1: was that simply a matter of playing a couple of

454
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: mediocre offenses in the Raiders and Steelers. I think it

455
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: is a combination, you know. I think, you know, the

456
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: talent level of those offenses wasn't. Let's face it, Lamar

457
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: Jackson's killing everybody and the Bengals played him twice and

458
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,479
Speaker 1: still haven't figured him out. I mean, he's he has

459
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: taken people apart. Look what he did to the Rams,

460
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: I mean embarrassed him, embarrassed him. He's going to put

461
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Speaker 1: up numbers that I mean, they're going to be freakish.

462
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Speaker 1: Like John Harbaugh said to him on the sideline after

463
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: during the course of one of the games, you're going

464
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: to change the quarterback position. I mean, kids are going

465
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: to be looking at this stuff for twenty years and thinking,

466
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: what the heck. I mean, you're you're changing, You're changing

467
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: everybody's definition of an NFL quarterback. I mean, it's remarkable.

468
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: So I think when you play a guy like that,

469
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 1: there's not only that game, but there's collateral damage you're

470
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Speaker 1: trying to recover, you know, from it now. I think

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Speaker 1: it I think it does set you back. And they did.

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Speaker 1: They did play him, you know, twice in a pretty

473
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Speaker 1: short time frame. But I do think you know, the

474
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers were hampered obviously with what they had out there.

475
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: Um skilled people weren't the same Oakland Raiders, you know,

476
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Speaker 1: they weren't. They had a really good running back, their

477
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: quarterback had been playing well, but heck he get benched.

478
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Gruden didn't waste any time he benched car

479
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: and when they get spanked by the Jets in the

480
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: third quarter. So I think it is a combination. But

481
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Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting. You a young quarterback that's

482
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: on a little bit of a role as team scored,

483
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: as team scored thirty four points three weeks in a row,

484
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: and they're feeling confident. How will they handle the Jets?

485
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: How will they handle Baker Mayfield and the Cleveland Browns

486
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: up there. They're starting to get it figured out. They've

487
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: got immense skill position talent. Will the Bengals. I think

488
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: the key is will the Bengals defensive line play the

489
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: rest of the season like they played the last couple

490
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Speaker 1: of games, Because, like lou Aneruma said to us earlier

491
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Speaker 1: in the week, it starts if the defensive lines disruptive

492
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: and people are having trouble blocking them, everything else falls

493
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: into place. So if the defensive line stays motivated and

494
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: makes as many players as they've made in the last

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Speaker 1: eight quarters down the stretch of the season, I think

496
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: that defense could play pretty solidly. The Bengals host the

497
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: Jets on Sunday, and if you look at their entire

498
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: season stats, the Jets offense stinks. They're next to last

499
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: in yards thirty if in rushing thirty first in passing.

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00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: They're averaging eighteen points a game. But over the last

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Speaker 1: three weeks they've scored thirty four points and each of

502
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: their last three games. What has gotten into the New

503
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: York Jets, I think a little bit has to do

504
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: with who they played, New York Giants, Washington Redskins, and

505
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: the Raiders. I mean, we saw the Raiders are vulnerable.

506
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: We just couldn't take advantage. I think of Andy Dalton

507
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: quarterbacking against the Raiders would have put up some points.

508
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying thirty four necessarily, but would have put

509
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Speaker 1: up some points. And you know, I think the thirty

510
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: three nothing slacking by the Patriots when you know you

511
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: have a young quarterback Sam Donald come out and say

512
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: I was seeing ghosts. You know, he's being honest. And

513
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 1: I think after that, they loose to Jacksonville by fourteen.

514
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: They lose to the Dolphins by eight points, and I

515
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: think at that at that point in time, was like

516
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: that's enough, you know. So obviously they're they're feeling better

517
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: about the way they're operating. And you know, they've they've

518
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: got some players we know about Levon Bell and Anderson,

519
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: this guy averaging over fifteen yards of catch, has a

520
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: ninety two yard touchdown catch amongst the three touchdown receptions.

521
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: That they've got some players, real good slot receiver and Crowder.

522
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: So Bengals defense has been playing better. Let's see if

523
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,479
Speaker 1: that holds up against this Jets offense that's kind of

524
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: finding their form a little bit. As the Bengals defense

525
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: is finding their form, who's going to hold their form?

526
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: The Bengals house the Jets this Sunday. The Jets have

527
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: twenty six sacks, number nineteen in the NFL. So that's

528
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: not great, but fifteen different players have at least a

529
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: half of sack led by their safety Jamal Adams, who

530
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: has six and a half. What does that say about

531
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Greg Williams. It says that he's going to

532
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: bring everybody from everywhere, you know, the kitchen, sink, the kitchen,

533
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: the whole house. Everything's coming. So Adams, though, that's the

534
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: interesting one. If I'm an offensive line coach, I'm saying,

535
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: when Adams, when number thirty three is in the box,

536
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: treat him like a linebacker. I designate him in my

537
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: rules protecting from inside out depending on where he is

538
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: that if he's if he's in the between the tackles,

539
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: he's a linebacker to me. If he's on the outside,

540
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to count guys more dangerous, you know, closer

541
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. But but he I have to find

542
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: thirty three. I have to find thirty three and communicate

543
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: him up and down the line of scrimmage like like

544
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: he's a linebacker in our protection. So six and a

545
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: half sacks the most of any defensive back in the NFL,

546
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: and he's in the top thirty in the NFL overall.

547
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got more sacks than the Bengal sack leader.

548
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: He's got more sacks than a lot of sack leaders

549
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: on individual teams around the National Football League. So, you know,

550
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: it's interesting. They just played a safety that was a

551
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: deep center fielder, you know, and all he was doing

552
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: was you know, coming downhill and make plays. This guy

553
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: is going to be right around the line of scrimmage

554
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: a lot of times in the box more so. And

555
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: they may be the two Pro Bowl safeties and the

556
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: Bengals are going to have him in back to back

557
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: weeks at a little bit different style of play. I'm

558
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: talking about Fitzpatrick, Minka Fitzpatrick, and this this young man

559
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: who is getting it done for the Jets is no,

560
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: there's no question about it. He's a big time player.

561
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: And their coordinator Greg Williams talk about aggressive. I mean,

562
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: the first blitz will be as they get off the

563
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: bus coming to the locker room. It's gonna be a blitz.

564
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: Craig to the stadium. Final crucial question, what's your favorite

565
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: part about the Thanksgiving feast? Oh man, I'm a I'm

566
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: a dark meat guy. I do I do like I

567
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: do like the dark meat. Um. I really enjoy turkey skin,

568
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: which is the worst thing you can possibly eat. It

569
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: is the best as long as it's cooked properly. Yeah,

570
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: it has to be crispy, you know, it can't be soggy.

571
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: Nothing worse than soggy, greasy turkey, you know, turkey skin,

572
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: but nice crisp turkey skin, man of chev It's And

573
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: I always always get the hairy eyeball when I, you know, partake. Sorry, Land, Yeah, sorry, Land,

574
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: I had to do it, But I mean that dog

575
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: will hunt right there. Give me some stuffing covered with

576
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: a really good gravy stuffing, the stuffing that we have

577
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: because I'm a corn of war, so it's got sausage

578
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: and beefing. Uh yeah, are you kidding me, dude? I

579
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: could make a meal just on the turkey stuffing. I

580
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I've got my real loose sweatpants that I

581
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: throw on for Thanksgiving and I roll. Baby. I can't

582
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: keep them up before I eat, but they're tight when

583
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Speaker 1: I'm done. Something for the Lapham family to look forward to.

584
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Speaker 1: Hopefully you enjoyed your Thanksgiving feast with a family as

585
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: much as lap did. Now time for this week's locker

586
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: room conversation as I visit with a Bengals veteran whose

587
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: return to the lineup has provided a boost to the

588
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: Bengals defense. We're in the locker room with Darquez Denard.

589
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: Over the last couple of games, you've held opponents to

590
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: seventeen points and sixteen points. And I don't think it's

591
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: a coincidence that you have been back in there for

592
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: more than ninety percent of the defensive snaps. How do

593
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: you think you've helped that's the thing by communicating and

594
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, adding a little hedge and you know, hipping

595
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: out with coverages and you know, communicating and doing my job.

596
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: Give me the feeling on the defense right now? It's

597
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: confidence growing based on how you've played the last few weeks. Definitely.

598
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: I think, uh it has shows. It showed on Sundays

599
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: as well. I think we're having great week comparatices and

600
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: making turnovers and forcing turnovers and practicing and showing up

601
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: in games and you know, and that's allowing us to

602
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: obviously play well and whole opponents and you know, to

603
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: under seventeen points and less. We're visiting the dar quest. Denard,

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00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: Can you take a lot of satisfaction from a great

605
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: defense performance even if the team loses? For me personally, no,

606
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: not really, uh, because I feel like it's always something

607
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: you can do a little bit more. Uh. You know,

608
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: it was to play here and there's you know, you

609
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: always had those those games and that you feel like

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00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: you could have done more if you did this, if

611
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: you did that. So for me personally, I feel like

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00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: you can play the best game in your life. But

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00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: you know, if you lose, it really don't matter. Dark

614
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: Qua is one of the things that's always stood out

615
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: about you since you've been here is your ability to

616
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: tackle in the run game. Is that skill or will?

617
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both, but majard

618
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: is will. It just kind of just want to think that's,

619
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, something that's you know, it was coaching me

620
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: and at Michigan State and just you know, follow me.

621
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: You are a couple of lockers away from Sean Williams

622
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: and you guys have been teammates your entire time here

623
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. He has gutted it out this year despite

624
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of injuries. Can you describe your respect for him?

625
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: You know, me and Sean uh pretty much like brothers.

626
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: Uh so Uh. I know what he deals deals with,

627
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: has been dealing with this year, and you know he's

628
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: a one tough guy. He plays with a lot of injuries,

629
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: don't complaining a lot, just you know, basically put a

630
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: band aid over whatever it was hurt. If it's broken,

631
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: if it's whatever it is, Uh, put a band aid

632
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: over and you know, tape it out, tape it up,

633
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: and you know he backed sort That was kind of

634
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: guy he is. He loved the game of football and

635
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: obviously shows on Sundays when you go out there and play.

636
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: Got a question. Your first two years here, the Bengals

637
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: were really good, including that twenty and fifteen season where

638
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: you opened eight no and finished twelve and four. How

639
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: difficult is it for you to be going through what

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00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: the team is going through right now? It's difficult. Uh,

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00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's crazy because I you know, I kind

642
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: of laughing, not really loud, but kind of just play

643
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: with the younger guys. It's kind of like Tenu and

644
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: you know Adam and Lee Un and you know Reggie

645
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: did with me as when I was a young guy.

646
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: You know they basically I was telling young guy earlier

647
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: today those guys like, hey, man, ain't always like this. Uh.

648
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: I always winning, you know, I was always winning games.

649
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: You just got a chairs these moments and you got

650
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: to really embrace him. And when you had the opportunity to,

651
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, make a run for a championship when you

652
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: have a good team, you gotta do whatever it takes

653
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: to to you know, basically do your job and get

654
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: it done. And I think that kind of plays back

655
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: in my head, especially the last couple of years and

656
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: about what those guys said to me, and it's really

657
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: hit home now. So it's just crazy. It's definitely difficult.

658
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: I felt like we had a good team. Obviously, you know, injuries,

659
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: of course happens, and that's the unfortunate part about this game.

660
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: And he kind of switch a whole season up, so

661
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: you know it. You know, it's definitely difficult. It's definitely difficult.

662
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: When you talk to the younger guys, do you give

663
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: them the opposite message. It's not always going to be

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Speaker 1: like this. We can be good again in a short

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00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: period of time. Definitely just tell them, I mean just

666
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: tell them like, man, were a few plays away, ball here,

667
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: ball there, Just how it rolls or you know, a

668
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: game changes, just like this whole season been because we've

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00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: been in games. It's not like we've been you know,

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00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: been losing my fifty points every game. We've been in

671
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: a lot of games, like a lot of games, and

672
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of just come down to the

673
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: last wire and you know, the ball just don't roll

674
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: all the way and just how football is kind of

675
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: like the game of life. So you have your ups

676
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: and downs, but you know, uh, you have more ups

677
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: if you keep working on it, keep grinding and just

678
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: staying patient and just trusting. A couple of questions about

679
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: this week's opponent, the New York Jets. Sam Donald has

680
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: been on a roll of like his last three games.

681
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: He's been terrific. What stands out when you look at

682
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: him on tape. You know he's a bigger quarterback and

683
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: his mobile uh stays trying to move the pocket and

684
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: and standing plays. Uh. He got a lot of great

685
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: whippers around him. Uh, you know you got leave On,

686
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: you got Robbie. Uh, you know, I got a champions,

687
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: and you got Demarrius and you know you got a

688
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: lot of guys just around him HIPing him. So, uh,

689
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: they're doing a really good job right now. We just

690
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: had to come out and you know, compete will I

691
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: noticed in their game last week, Leaveon Bell was lining

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00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: up a lot as a wide receiver and going down field.

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00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't the type of passes he used

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00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: to catch with the Steelers where he'd go three yards

695
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: and turn around and then look for yards after catch.

696
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: They're having him run down the field, right. It's kind

697
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: of not a surprise to me. You know, me and

698
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: Lebon was at Michigan State together, so I know the

699
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: type of player he is. H I was able to

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00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: watch up coach personal since we you know, we was

701
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: in the same recruiting class, so you know, I got

702
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: to watch him every day, so I know what type

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00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: of player he is and what are you capable? So

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Speaker 1: it's not a surprise to me at the things that

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00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: you're doing now. But he's definitely a you know, a

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00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: capable receiver as well as a running back, so he

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00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: definitely a tart to win. You know, he's out there.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time as always, Happy Thanksgiving, best a lot,

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Speaker 1: everything's giving me as well. Thank you. Last, but not least,

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Speaker 1: it's time for this week's Know the Folk Conversation is

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Speaker 1: we take an in depth look at the Jets with

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00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: long time beat writer Rich Samini. He joined Lapping Me

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Speaker 1: this week on the Bengals Game Plan Show, and I

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Speaker 1: started the interview by asking Rich the following question. If

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00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold had not missed several games due to mono,

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Speaker 1: would the Jets be in playoff contention. That's a great question, Dan,

717
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: really hard to say. You know, I would say, you know,

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Speaker 1: they played I'd say no, because they played three really

719
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: difficult opponents during that stretch that he was out, and

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00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: they played Philly, New England, and I'm missing one game

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00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: then they lost, So I don't even think they would

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00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: have beat them. With Sam. It was a new offense.

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00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: They were going through some growing pains anyway, and without

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00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: him they were just hopeless. I mean, they couldn't get

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00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: the ball in the red zone, let alone score. I've

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Speaker 1: never in all my years of covering the Jets, and

727
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: I've seen some really bad offenses that was as bad

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Speaker 1: as I've seen early in the year with Luke Falk

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00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: at quarterback. So the answer is no. But now they're

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Speaker 1: playing better and they're you know, kind of make it

731
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Speaker 1: interest interesting a little bit. Let me ask you about

732
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the football, my goodness, top ten

733
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: in a lot of categories, top five and many significant categories,

734
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Speaker 1: including stopping the run, number one in yards seventy eight

735
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: point one per game and three yards per carry, and

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Speaker 1: Greg Williams, the Master Disguiser. I watched the Dolphins tape

737
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: and he was playing Cover one. The Dolphins torched it,

738
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: so he went back to Tampa two and he said,

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00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna make it a job. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: make Jamal Adams's going to be a rush guy for him.

741
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: He's got six and a half sacks the last four games,

742
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: five tackle for loss. I mean, and he's still playing

743
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: Cover two behind it. I guess if he plays Coup

744
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: one against the Bengals, it'll be a true look testament

745
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: how people feel about the Bengals wide outs, because he

746
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: probably feels like they can't beat him. But I mean,

747
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: this guy has been doing some unbelievable stuff schematically and

748
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: utilizing his players to their fullest. He's unreal. Yeah, yeah,

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00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: he really has done a great job. And you know,

750
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: they've had so many injuries, and last week against the Raiders,

751
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: of the top sixteen guys on defense based on the

752
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: number of snaps in the game, seven of the guys

753
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: came into the league as undrafted free agents. So he's

754
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: been doing it with you know, replacement level talent. And

755
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: you're exactly right about the way they've dialed back the pressure.

756
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: They've been come more. But they cover two team in

757
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: recent winks and a lot of that is to protect

758
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: their corners. They're playing basically with two third string corners

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00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: and Arthur Mallet and rookie Bless Austin, and so instead

760
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: of putting those guys out on islands, they've been playing

761
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: more too safety looks. But like you said, they've been

762
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: using Jamal as a blitzer. That's not a weekly thing,

763
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: but I think it depends on the opponents more of

764
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: a game plan specific thing. But he's been racking up

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00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: sacks and so they've really found an identity on defense.

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00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: Rich Amini from ESPN New York is our guest. What

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00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: was the reaction in New York or in the Jets

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00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: locker room when they learned that Andy Dalton was coming

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Speaker 1: back to be the Bengals quarterback instead of a struggling

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00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: Ryan Finley. Yeah, I don't. I think they kind of

771
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: expected it. I think, you know, from the reaction I

772
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: got is, you know, they saw Finley struggles with turnovers,

773
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: and the Bengals have actually played a pretty good defense

774
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks they've been in these games,

775
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: and I think the Jets, at least in terms of

776
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, they had a pretty good idea that

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00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: it was going to be back to Dalton just because

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00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: they've been in some of these games and if they

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00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: could just minimize the turnovers, they could win some of

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00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: these games. And also you're looking at a coach who

781
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go out in sixteen and wants to

782
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: win some games here at the end of the year,

783
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: and obviously feels that Dalton gives them the best chance.

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00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: It seemed to me that Adam Gas was not really

785
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: trying to hide the fact that he thought overpaid for

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00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: Levon Bell. Did they Yes, they did. I mean, you know,

787
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: thirteen and a half million per year for a running

788
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: back is a lot, and Adam Gates has never said

789
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: that publicly. By the way, just for the record, you know,

790
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: I reported and other people reported at the time a

791
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: free agency that Gays was not keen on the idea

792
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: of spending that much for a running back. And he

793
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: has nothing against Bell. I think he really respects Bells

794
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: as a player. He just felt that philosophically, that was

795
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: just too much for one guy. And I think we've

796
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: seen that those feelings come to bear because he has

797
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: not having a good year. I mean, it's not all

798
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: on a labe on their offensive line has been a

799
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: mess with the most part. So he has not rushed

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Speaker 1: for more than seventy yards in a game this year,

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00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: and frankly, to me, he looks like a half a

802
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: step slower than what you guys have seen him a

803
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: lot more than I have. From the division. He looks

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00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: a little bit slow to me. And maybe it's the

805
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: year off, you know, maybe it's the offensive line, but

806
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: he just has not been the same. Lady On, we

807
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: are visiting with Rich some meaning long time reporter covering

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00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: the New York Jets. I mentioned this streak at the

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00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: beginning of our conversation Rich, how the Jets have scored

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00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: exactly thirty four and three straight games. How much is

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Speaker 1: that Giants, Redskins Raiders as the opponents, and how much

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00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: is that this is an offense that's finding its stride. Yeah,

813
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: mostly the schedule, I think, Dan, it's I mean, they

814
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: just hit it at the right time. I mean, it's

815
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: amazing how they work out. So the owner, they get

816
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: embarrassed by Miami. Down in Miami, they dropped to one

817
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: and seven. It was as ugly a loss as I've

818
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: ever covered. And so there's a lot of rumors about

819
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: Gays's job security. Could he get fired in the middle

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00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: of the season. The owner comes in a private meeting

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Speaker 1: with the players. The owner of that week says, you know,

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00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with Adam. He's my guy. And it's like

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00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: the old thing in baseball. You know, if you have

824
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: a team meeting, make sure you do it on the

825
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: day your ace is pitching. So the Jets knew that

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Speaker 1: they were playing the Giants, then they were playing the Redskins,

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00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: two really poor defensive teams. So they got their offense

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00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: rolling a little bit, they built some confidence, and they

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00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: went against the Raiders, you know who I considered more

830
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: of the middle of the road team, and they really

831
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: took it out on the Raiders and Raiders so now

832
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: they got their mojo. Sam Darnold's as hot as any

833
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league not named Lamar Jackson, right, and

834
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: so they're really feeling good about themselves offensively. Prior to

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00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: the three game win streak, the highest score, the most

836
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: points they scored against Dallas, and to me, that was

837
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: one of the biggest outliers of the season. The twenty

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00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: four twenty two victory over the Dallas Cowboys on October thirteenth,

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00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: what led to that what was the circumstance that football

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00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: game in your estimation, that's I'm still trying to figure

841
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: that way, right, j went in there and four and

842
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, it was Sam Darnold's first game back from mono,

843
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: and you were all looking at him like, you know,

844
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: if he gets hit in the spleen as he get

845
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: high on the field, you know, they're you know, there's

846
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people reporting that he's back too soon.

847
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: And so he goes out and he played out of

848
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: his mind, and I game he played a really good

849
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: game and they beat him. But now let me say this,

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Speaker 1: Dallas played without their two starting offensive tackles, and we

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Speaker 1: know those are very good players, and they played Amari

852
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: Cooper went out in the first series of the game,

853
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Speaker 1: and I truly think that if Cooper were in there

854
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: for the whole game, the Jets would have lost. But

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Speaker 1: he wasn't, and they won the game. And so then

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00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: you thought, Okay, they're going to start to go on

857
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of a role here. But then they

858
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: just went into like a tailspin, and Sam Darnold went

859
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: into a really bad tailspin, and then the season got

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00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: away from them. So the the I'm seeing ghosts that

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Speaker 1: was it after that Dallas game, you know, the New

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00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: England game. Yep, So you know that's a that's a

863
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: big deal. ESPN talk show hosts and Fox talk show

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00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: hosts go crazy over that, and I know the team

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Speaker 1: wasn't happy that that audio was used. To me, it

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Speaker 1: was like stating the obvious. That's what a young quarterback

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Speaker 1: experiences against a Bill Belichick type defense. So a really

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Speaker 1: good NFL defensive team was it. Was it a big

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Speaker 1: source of embarrassment for Sam Darnold or was it everybody else? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Darnold handled it really well. He didn't duck the questions.

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Speaker 1: He just admitted on numerous occasions. He because I always

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00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: try to be honest with my coaches when I get

873
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: to the sideline, and that's what I was feeling at

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00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: that moment. And he had just a horrific game. He

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00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: had four interceptions in that game, and he truly was

876
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,479
Speaker 1: seeing goes. I mean, he didn't know what was coming

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00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: at him. And unfortunately, you know, usually that's the NFL

878
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: films is responsible for that stuff at the game, and

879
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: usually they added out all the good stuff, and the

880
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: stuff that we get on TV is the very planned

881
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: soundbites from the bench and in this case, they let

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00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: it go through and you know, which was great for

883
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: TV viewers around the country, but bad for the Jets.

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Speaker 1: And you're right there. You know, the Jets were pissed

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00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: when that got out and my network aired it, you know,

886
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: after it received clearance from NFL Films. And it was

887
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: embarrassing for Sam because he went into Jacksonville the very

888
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: next week and at the end of the game he

889
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: had another bad game, three interceptions, and on the PA

890
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: in the stadium, they're playing the Ghostbusters team and showing

891
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: a montage of all his interceptions on the scoreboard, which

892
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: I really thought was bush league by going on about

893
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: two minutes left and they're playing the Ghostbusters theme and

894
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: so it's something that Sam has and one other stadium

895
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: played it too, I can't remember offhand, but he, you know,

896
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: it's something he's had to live with. But he's playing

897
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: really well for the last three games, so I think

898
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: he's come out of that. That's funk. Well, I know,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Finley saw a bunch of ghosts and you know

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00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 1: it's it's all he's saying is pre snap, I'm seeing

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00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: one thing post snap another, you know. I mean, yeah,

902
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: he's he's being honest. Yeah, the fans when they hear that,

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00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: the fact that it was Belichick too, you know, sure,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure he enjoyed a nice little smirk with

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00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 1: them when he heard that. But no, no doubt, no doubt.

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00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: Yeah they got he got validation, you know. Van Noy

907
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: basically said, oh, man, that's that's validation of what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: You know. I mean, it's my my final question, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for carbon time for us. You're great and appreciate

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Speaker 1: your patients. Frank Pollock, Uh, he had a tremendous round

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00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: amount of respect in this locker room by his offensive

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00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: line and other position groups. He really um made an

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Speaker 1: impression on the Cincinnati Bengals locker room overall. What's it

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00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: been like for Frank in New Jersey excuse me, in

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Speaker 1: New York with the Jets. Yeah, that's a man. That's

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Speaker 1: a weird you know. I thought he didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: I thought he did a poor job at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the year. I mean, their offensive line was just

919
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: which was really bad. I mean, Sam and the other

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00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: quarterbacks were getting a hit on a regular basis. And

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Speaker 1: they've started six different offensive line combos, so you know,

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00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: injuries have played a factor. But even when they had

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00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: Theirs in there, they were just missing assignments, turning guys loose,

924
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: they were sliding in the wrong direction. It was just

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00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: a really poorly coached unit at this part of the year.

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Speaker 1: And they have calmed it down a little bit, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I think Pollock has done a good

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Speaker 1: job of figuring out what's going on. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: I think a big part of it was, you know,

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Speaker 1: they signed Ryan Khalil out of retirement right before training

931
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Speaker 1: or actually right as training camp was starting, and of

932
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: course he was a five time pro bowler with the Panthers,

933
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: and the thought they were getting a coupe and he

934
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: just was not in shape. And he came in and

935
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Speaker 1: I think he just disrupted all the chemistry and they

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00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,959
Speaker 1: really struggled with him, and when they replaced him because

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00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: he went on IR. The last three weeks with Jonathan Harrison,

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Speaker 1: it's been a much smoother operation. So partly because of that,

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Speaker 1: and I think partly because Frank has figured out some

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00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: things that they've gotten better. But it was pretty bad

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Speaker 1: there for a while thanks to Rich Samite, and that's

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Speaker 1: going to do it. For this episode of the podcast,

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