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Speaker 2: Welcome to Draft week on the Drive. It's Dale Lolly
Speaker 2: and Matt Williamson and it is the week of the Draft.
Speaker 2: Matt and as such, Mike Tomlin Omar Kahn held their
Speaker 2: pre draft press conference today. No information was passed.
Speaker 3: So this is our favorite guy in the old draft,
Speaker 3: We're trade up for him. Yeah, yeah, none of that.
Speaker 3: How that went, Yeah, although they did once again.
Speaker 2: Omar con said once again that they have internal options
Speaker 2: at the center position. You know, he was asked specifically,
Speaker 2: you know, specific questions about about that position. He says, Look,
Speaker 2: we have internal options at the center position.
Speaker 3: No one seems to recognize that. You know, Daniels, Herbig
Speaker 3: Anderson are all center capable. I guess, yeah, right, you
Speaker 3: know that they all can do it and not just
Speaker 3: on the side. You know, maybe they could major in it,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean that's a possibility. And I do
Speaker 3: think a lot of people who overreact to the center situation.
Speaker 3: It makes me a little crazy. It's almost like if
Speaker 3: the Steelers don't use a twentieth pick on Barton or
Speaker 3: powers Johnson or get Frasier in the second round. The
Speaker 3: season's over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's there's quite going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like there's other positions. I look at
Speaker 3: the wide receiver and be like, there's not internal options there?
Speaker 2: Tell me where the nickel corner is? Right right right?
Speaker 2: There's there are situations, there are spots on this team
Speaker 2: that I look at and go, yeah, but that's a
Speaker 2: bigger need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that, you can't really run it back with
Speaker 3: what you got now. I'm sure they will address an
Speaker 3: inter your alignment. I mean, sure that's going to happen.
Speaker 3: But the town's god given right to have dirt Dawson
Speaker 3: Webby to me or Pouncy is a little mind boggling,
Speaker 3: like anytime I put out of the mock draft or
Speaker 3: the thought of using the twentieth pick on a tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but who's going to snap the ball? Someone's going to
Speaker 3: snap the ball, like put a dis way like that.
Speaker 3: The offensive doesn't start until the ball snapped, which it doesn't,
Speaker 3: but someone's going to do it.
Speaker 2: Whatever they do at center this year, is it going
Speaker 2: to be worse than what they did last year at center?
Speaker 3: Probably not?
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 3: I mean at least the plan will be better. I mean,
Speaker 3: they could have five injuries there, of course, but right,
Speaker 3: I mean, to me, worst case scenario is calling Mason
Speaker 3: cole back and running it back. Yeah, you know, but
Speaker 3: that competition.
Speaker 2: That would lead down to the question, well, why didn't
Speaker 2: they make that move last year? If Coal was so bad,
Speaker 2: why didn't they move herbig to center? Last year? And
Speaker 2: you don't make those aren't moves that you make in season.
Speaker 3: That's what you know. You and I talked about Connor
Speaker 3: Williams a lot, and that's another option, right, it's one
Speaker 3: more part of the equation. But you don't want to
Speaker 3: make a center change in the middle of the season either.
Speaker 3: I mean a guard change would be easier. Still, continuity
Speaker 3: on the O line is unbelievably important. You had young
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in there. It wasn't like Ben. You know that
Speaker 3: he'll make up for the new center or whatever. Center
Speaker 3: is really an important job. I say this all the time,
Speaker 3: saying this for twenty years, and I talk as cheapause
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's true, but I've bet I
Speaker 3: bet if you bet against a team that's lost their
Speaker 3: starting center, whether he's good or bad, I bet you
Speaker 3: make money in the betting community. I mean, they're really
Speaker 3: important from more than just blocking and snapping, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, just right, right right, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But but it rocks the whole apple cart when you
Speaker 3: have a new center.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they have something up their sleeve there.
Speaker 3: I bet they've thought about it to some day.
Speaker 2: They've got they've got a pretty good idea of what
Speaker 2: their what their plan is going to be. Because here's
Speaker 2: here's the thing about the draft. Chicago controls what it's
Speaker 2: going to do with the first pick right.
Speaker 3: Right, and if we assume Williams is off the board, Washington,
Speaker 3: Washington controls a pretty good they have a pretty good
Speaker 3: idea of what they're going to do right this time.
Speaker 2: At this point, they probably know what they're going to do.
Speaker 2: I would hope after that everybody else is there. You're
Speaker 2: kind of at to wait and see. Yeah, you have
Speaker 2: to wait and see what's available to you. Yeah, even
Speaker 2: at three, the Patriots don't they don't know what Washington's
Speaker 2: gonna do.
Speaker 3: No, or Minnesota is even a better example, Like we
Speaker 3: would love to make this trade now to get up
Speaker 3: and get our quarterback, but I have to know which
Speaker 3: guy I'm getting you right, I mean I have to
Speaker 3: wait until the clock.
Speaker 2: You're not just moving up to get a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And to be honest, I think Washington and the
Speaker 3: league as a whole have done a really good job
Speaker 3: of not letting secrets out this year. I know that
Speaker 3: the league is stressed that they want people to watch
Speaker 3: be tuned in for when the big trade happens. Like
Speaker 3: they don't even want the Niners trade when they trade
Speaker 3: up for trade lance, like that happened well before, yeah,
Speaker 3: because you know, was it mac Jones or Lance? But
Speaker 3: the trade had already happened. You know, you already knew
Speaker 3: that they had moved up. They are taking a quarterback.
Speaker 3: They weren't as much intrigue as possible. And it's new ownership,
Speaker 3: new GM and Washington, and to their credit, they've up
Speaker 3: their cards really close to the vest, you know. So
Speaker 3: now we're all waiting on that.
Speaker 2: It gives your I mean, if you're the franchise, you
Speaker 2: want some intrigue, you know, you don't want you want
Speaker 2: fans to be excited about who you're going to pick.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, and talking about it, because if
Speaker 2: they're talking about it, especially if you're a franchise, like
Speaker 2: Washington that's been a little downtrodden. Oh yeah, people are
Speaker 2: actually talking about the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna buy that jersey a second comes, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go get my season tickets. I'm not selling
Speaker 3: them this year or whatever. I mean, that team has
Speaker 3: been in the duldrums in a big way. Now, none
Speaker 3: of that really affects the Steelers. I mean by a
Speaker 3: matter of Drake may goes two or four, or if
Speaker 3: Daniels goes two or three, or McCarthy goes three or four.
Speaker 2: But in a way it does.
Speaker 3: But in a way it does because then Minnesota's got
Speaker 3: their picks in front of that they move up or not.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's talking about the Raiders wanting to move up.
Speaker 2: There's somebody want one of the other quarterbacks, you know,
Speaker 2: and there's there's all kinds of dominoes that have to
Speaker 2: fall there. And so when you're picking at twenty, you really,
Speaker 2: you know, you're at it. You don't know what you're
Speaker 2: gonna get.
Speaker 3: You're just you're gonna get. And we did mine last week.
Speaker 3: You know, my top twenty. You said you had fiddled
Speaker 3: with one too, Yes, you know, so that's like worst
Speaker 3: case scenario, like your twentieth player, things have to that
Speaker 3: has to be the most disastrous.
Speaker 2: Guess, things had to go really bad. You get your
Speaker 2: twentieth player when you have the twentieth pick.
Speaker 3: If you're the twentieth pick. I mean, so if you
Speaker 3: look at it through that lens of I'm going to
Speaker 3: get this guy or better, you know, like okay, or
Speaker 3: if I trade down three spots, I'm still going to
Speaker 3: get this guy or better, you know. I mean, like.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, as con said today, they're not going
Speaker 2: to trade away. It's gonna be awfully difficult to trade
Speaker 2: away from a good player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally get that. I mean, if Fatanu for Waga.
Speaker 2: Unless you've got five other guys on your board, you're
Speaker 2: trading down to twenty four and you know you're going
Speaker 2: to get one of those guys.
Speaker 3: Simple math. Yeah, as long as you're board that you
Speaker 3: trust your board, it's simple math.
Speaker 2: You want to go you want to go over to listen? Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, So I got Harris should do it kind
Speaker 2: of the same way I did. I mean, did you
Speaker 2: include the quarter I didn't include the quarterbacks. I got
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison, Malik Neighbors.
Speaker 3: They were my top two non quarterbacks rom okay, Joe
Speaker 3: Alt four, Okay j C.
Speaker 2: Latham five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would did you even kick that around about
Speaker 3: maybe even swipping them, swapping them maybe?
Speaker 2: But if All was there, he's just he seems so
Speaker 2: he's a left tackle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, to play right and everybody.
Speaker 2: Be happy, right Telasi Fuaga six, Troy Fatanu seven, okay
Speaker 2: O eight, And I would play him at left tackle.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he's the one you have to play
Speaker 3: at left. Yeah, I mean Fatan who they've obviously had
Speaker 3: a conversation. Would you go to right if you were
Speaker 3: pittsfordh Steeler? The answer is yes or no. I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you just try him and yeah, who's better?
Speaker 3: You don't have to set it in stone you first
Speaker 3: day of mini camp either.
Speaker 2: At nine, I have Terry and.
Speaker 3: Arnold And this is when it starts to get sticked.
Speaker 2: I have Arnold at nine ahead of the other cornerbacks,
Speaker 2: or at least I had a Quenya Mitchell there because
Speaker 2: I know he can play the slot.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I figured that was a tiebreaker for you, like
Speaker 3: in a vacuum. I think I'd rather Mitchell than Arnold
Speaker 3: if I'm team right, you know that doesn't I don't
Speaker 3: care about needs. He's my first pick, you know, in
Speaker 3: a vacuum. But I get that point, you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: and I also think Arnold would fit here really well. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's beginning his career as a slot maybe still never
Speaker 3: come off the field, right, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I have Mitchell next, then I have the Gene.
Speaker 3: Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2: That was how I you know, I just that's the
Speaker 2: way I felt about it. At twelve, I have Amarus Mims.
Speaker 3: Okay, Jeene versus Mems has always been tough for Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh. At thirteen, I have Graham Barton after Mems.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've been fiddling with my list and I've been
Speaker 3: moving the centers down a little bit. See I could.
Speaker 2: I'm going to have Barton there because I think he can.
Speaker 2: He can play right tackle for you if you had
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: People don't think about this stuff too. I mean, and
Speaker 3: we've tried to lay it out, but even like Fatan,
Speaker 3: who fits this mold too. With Barton is they're gonna
Speaker 3: be here for four or five, eight years or whatever.
Speaker 3: They may not be a center the whole time. They
Speaker 3: might not be a right tackle.
Speaker 2: Though Connor Williams wasn't a center exactly right, exactly. I
Speaker 2: have Brian Thomas at fourteen, Donnie Mitchell at fifteen.
Speaker 3: I had them next to each other, but Thomas clearly
Speaker 3: above Mitchell. Do you agree with that? Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean they have similar usage and all that. I just
Speaker 3: trust Thomas more.
Speaker 2: I had Jackson powers Johnson at sixteen. I put brock
Speaker 2: Bauers in at seventeen, even though I just I would
Speaker 2: just figure it out. Oh and I probably should have
Speaker 2: had higher, but again that's a weird problem, and I
Speaker 2: don't think they're gonna have it. I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 2: but if it so happened that he lasted the year.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't run to the podium if Fluaga or Latham
Speaker 3: was there over Bowers, but I would over Dejene and
Speaker 3: Mims and the receivers. And but it probably won't matter. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At eighteen, I have Tyler Goyiton nineteen, kool Aid McKinstry
Speaker 2: twenty eight. Wiggins gotcha, And I think that's because McKinstry
Speaker 2: is a better fit for their defense than I believe
Speaker 2: Wiggins is.
Speaker 3: So we basically were very similar.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I had four quarterbacks mixed in there, so guys like
Speaker 3: McKinstry were twenty four or twenty five or whatever. I
Speaker 3: didn't include any edge, so any edge I didn't need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean no edge, no defensive line
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: I put Newton and Murphy in. There's a point where
Speaker 3: I would take them over. I think I take both
Speaker 3: over McKinstry right now.
Speaker 2: See, I just don't know where they I don't know
Speaker 2: how they fit in the defense.
Speaker 3: I don't either.
Speaker 2: Somebody we did the triple take last week where we
Speaker 2: did our three round mock draft. Yeah, Steelers dot Com
Speaker 2: and somebody put on the there. They have to take
Speaker 2: a defensive lineman. They need the next cam Cam Hayward.
Speaker 2: So why wouldn't they take Murphy from from Texas. I'm like,
Speaker 2: he's six foot tall in two hundred and eighty five pounds.
Speaker 2: He's not a Cam Hayward replacements.
Speaker 3: No, see. I I try to be as transparent as
Speaker 3: possible with him and Newton because Newton's a little bigger,
Speaker 3: but they're both the same style. They're not Dick Lebo
Speaker 3: has no use for those guys, right, you know, I
Speaker 3: just don't know if the twenty twenty four Steelers do
Speaker 3: or not and how much do they value them, because
Speaker 3: I don't think Ogunjobi would have been on a Dick
Speaker 3: Lebo defense. I know Leal would not have been, you know,
Speaker 3: but it's hard to find them, you, I mean almost
Speaker 3: have to draft them.
Speaker 2: I do know that I want to spend a first
Speaker 2: round pick, though, on a guy who's not Leel was
Speaker 2: a third round pick exactly.
Speaker 3: Joby was late in free agency he got them. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: after a cheaper deal, right yeah, in the perfect world.
Speaker 3: I think they want noses in d ND. Still, I
Speaker 3: just don't know it one hundred percent. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I think that's becoming.
Speaker 2: I mean, if they still had stuff on to it,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't have Larry Ogunjobi right now.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, of course, So an interesting one
Speaker 3: to me too is again I agree with everything you
Speaker 3: said ninety eight percent of it what he said like,
Speaker 3: but like Wiggins is interesting to me, Like I know
Speaker 3: they need a slot, but I just know six to
Speaker 3: one corners that run four to three and are shut
Speaker 3: down coverage. Guys don't grow on trees, you know, I like,
Speaker 3: I hear you, Like, if if any team took that
Speaker 3: guy at seventeen eighteen, nineteen twenty I would just be like.
Speaker 2: I would get it. Yeah, I would get it.
Speaker 3: They're hard to find.
Speaker 2: But he's also one hundred and seventy three pounds exactly,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Exactly, you know. I mean, I I worry because we
Speaker 3: talked through this stuff so much that I get too
Speaker 3: much in the mindset of they need this, this, this
Speaker 3: and this, but they need a circle, they need a square,
Speaker 3: they need a diamond or whatever. But then there's this
Speaker 3: beautiful hexagon that you can't find anywhere else. And you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, So that this time of year,
Speaker 3: I try to take a step back again and be like,
Speaker 3: am I rutted too much in my Steeler needs here
Speaker 3: or not? You know? But now I hear you one
Speaker 3: hundred percent. Yeah, So I.
Speaker 2: Just you know, to me, I think you're looking at
Speaker 2: an opportunity for the Steelers more than nikely to get
Speaker 2: a chance to pick somebody it picks being at fifteen
Speaker 2: let's say seven, seven to fifteen, somewhere in that range
Speaker 2: on that list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which again I always get a kick out of
Speaker 3: any GM doesn't be the Steelers comes to the podium
Speaker 3: and be like, we had him really high on our
Speaker 3: list and they took him twenty fifth overall, well, they're
Speaker 3: not lying to you. I mean, if their list is
Speaker 3: constructed like this, which I think every team should do
Speaker 3: to as many as you feel comfortable, whether it's twenty
Speaker 3: or even more. You know, if there's a just mis guy,
Speaker 3: make it twenty one, there's two just miss guys, make
Speaker 3: it twenty two, you know whatever, and you take your
Speaker 3: seventh guy on that board, which would you say, seven
Speaker 3: or eight was like Fogga or I mean somebody that.
Speaker 2: Six was Foega, seven was Fatano?
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean that could happen. Yeah, I mean, like
Speaker 3: if you ended up at twenty with or even if
Speaker 3: you trade up to eighteen and you took your sixth
Speaker 3: rank guy.
Speaker 2: You know, if four quarterbacks go or five quarter let's
Speaker 2: say five quarterbacks go.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: Let's say both defensive linemen.
Speaker 3: Go, and I'm sure Dallas Turner's have be gone to
Speaker 3: let's say.
Speaker 2: Two of the edge rushers going. Now you're already up
Speaker 2: to like ten players.
Speaker 3: I said, I think it's safe to say six to
Speaker 3: eight not on your list will be named before number twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, including the quarterbacks. Certainly four quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, you know it's it becomes one of
Speaker 2: those guys that is on this list will be a
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steeler Thursday night. I'm sure I don't think that
Speaker 2: they're going to draft somebody who's not on this list.
Speaker 2: I bet not, and I would be perfectly comfortable with
Speaker 2: any of them.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. Not every year can you get the
Speaker 3: twenty Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there'd be a lot of years you'd be like, ah, man,
Speaker 2: who these last five?
Speaker 3: I hope it doesn't go that Wayeah boy, I hope
Speaker 3: you know, some some position that we're not into gets
Speaker 3: hit a little heavier than we needed, or you know,
Speaker 3: something like that. And then, frankly, that's probably happened many
Speaker 3: times through Kevin Colbert's career. When you're picking twenty five,
Speaker 3: eight thirty right right right, and you're in the second round.
Speaker 1: World.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The crazy thing is is two of their best
Speaker 2: draft picks in the last you know, since twenty ten
Speaker 2: came at the end of the first round.
Speaker 3: What Hayward?
Speaker 2: They are just complete another steals like nobody talks about it.
Speaker 2: They talked about them. Oh they missed on that guy
Speaker 2: they got You got t J. Watt and Cam Hayward.
Speaker 3: You got t J. Watt in the same draft. That
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett went first. You got what at the end
Speaker 3: of the round twenty five picture players, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 2: Thirty picks later.
Speaker 3: Thirty picks later. Yeah, and Cam Hayward worked out all
Speaker 3: right too, Yeah as it you know, of course, no,
Speaker 3: but I think that exercise is great and I urge
Speaker 3: everyone to do it. It's hard and you can really
Speaker 3: rack your brain. Degene versus Mims versus Brian Thomas.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's it's not easy.
Speaker 3: I could make a huge case for any one of
Speaker 3: those three. Yeah, you know, without question, they're very, very different.
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas would be really hard for me to pass on.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of day two receivers that are
Speaker 3: awfully attractive, right, Yeah, I mean that's it's a fun conversation, it.
Speaker 2: Really is, and that that's why, you know, I understand
Speaker 2: why they do it. And you know, you know, if
Speaker 2: you get to your you get to your pick. Let's
Speaker 2: say you're picking at twenty and you're at twelve on
Speaker 2: your list. Yeah, now you're feeling pretty good. Hey, we
Speaker 2: can we can move back.
Speaker 3: We can move back, I like, And there's certainly spots
Speaker 3: on that list that you'd rather hit than the end
Speaker 3: of course. But you're never gonna get to the end
Speaker 3: of twenty. I mean we know that. I mean, you're
Speaker 3: never gonna get to the twentieth.
Speaker 2: Guy, even if you trade it back to thirty two,
Speaker 2: you probably don't get off this list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get twenty yeah exactly. That's like. Boy. Now
Speaker 3: the Bills are a good example. They were they picking
Speaker 3: twenty seven. Yeah, I think they're even later. There might
Speaker 3: be twenty eight. If they offer you an unbelievable deal,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get one of those names.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean you're gonna end up with kool Aid or
Speaker 3: something like that. Okay, okay, because I got so much
Speaker 3: other stuff, I can get it. And I'm sure when
Speaker 3: you do these lists it's probably smart at some point,
Speaker 3: maybe draw a line under Vashanu or something like that.
Speaker 2: Like if one of these guys is there were picking, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like this is you stick and pick you're happy with.
Speaker 2: This is the area where if somebody offers me an
Speaker 2: extra second round draft pick, no, I'm interested.
Speaker 3: I'm in yeah, And that's all the conversations teams are
Speaker 3: having right now because that's it to do in day
Speaker 3: two and stuff. But you also kind of get pockets.
Speaker 2: We've done. I don't know, one hundred mock drafts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's always good to have that extra pick. That's where
Speaker 2: you get to, you know, that that defensive lineman that
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because yeah, you know, you've been back to the
Speaker 3: comments section. I went back to the comments that I
Speaker 3: always get about centers. You know, don't go giving me
Speaker 3: the South Dakota State dude because he's guard and last
Speaker 3: time they tried it was Kendrick Green. That's never gonna work.
Speaker 3: You got to use a first round pick on a center, Well,
Speaker 3: then you're not gonna have a corner like you're then
Speaker 3: you're not gonna have something. You know. You said something
Speaker 3: about they have to get a D lineman this year. Okay,
Speaker 3: well you're gonna be short something important.
Speaker 2: Would you rather have a defensive lineman this year or
Speaker 2: a wide receiver or a.
Speaker 3: Wide receiver that plays almost every snap? Yeah, you know, I mean, hey,
Speaker 3: I mean there's a point where I would take the
Speaker 3: D lineman, don't get me wrong, if that guy's that
Speaker 3: much better. But that's a balancing act. And our mocks
Speaker 3: are great. But we never trade up in round two,
Speaker 3: three before five, right, and we certainly could after acquiring
Speaker 3: more picks too. Oh yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like we never use Sometimes people criticize you guys trade
Speaker 3: down too much. Okay, that's fair. I mean because the
Speaker 3: real world you don't trade down every time. But we
Speaker 3: never take advantage of the second part of that and
Speaker 3: then trade up for the guy that goes two picks
Speaker 3: ahead of us around three.
Speaker 2: We've talked about it. We would have traded up for
Speaker 2: spots to get that guy or.
Speaker 3: At least made it the call. Yeah right, and hey,
Speaker 3: we'll give you future picks. We'll give you something.
Speaker 2: We just picked up what we're doing these on radio,
Speaker 2: and get to do it. That's fast and if we
Speaker 2: if we did it slowly, if I'm sitting at home,
Speaker 2: I've done that, you know, and done is slow and
Speaker 2: just okay, I'm going to trade up here and go
Speaker 2: get that.
Speaker 3: At least poke around in this neighborhood. Yeah. See, you
Speaker 3: have to get extra picks. Yeah, so no fun.
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Speaker 2: Matt Jordan Reid has put together his seven round mock
Speaker 2: draft for this for this thing.
Speaker 3: Every year there's more seven rounders. I mean it's fun
Speaker 3: that way. Yeah, I guess. I mean everyone's super into it,
Speaker 3: which is really cool. But man, I would never want
Speaker 3: to do a seven.
Speaker 2: We'll buzz through the first round here and then we'll
Speaker 2: hit the Steeler picks after that. Caleb Williams at one,
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels at two, Drake Mayott three. At four, Marvin
Speaker 2: Harrison to the Cardinals they stay, stick and pick. At five,
Speaker 2: the Chargers stick and pick.
Speaker 3: Really they take Joe All Betake Alt. I could see
Speaker 3: horribad just loving Alt. Yeah, you know it's six. The
Speaker 3: Giants take Malik Neighbors. Di'd be pretty happy about that.
Speaker 3: McCarthy didn't go yet though, No, well, I don't know
Speaker 3: if they'd pass on the quarterback.
Speaker 2: At seven, the Titans take Roma Doun Jam.
Speaker 3: I'm glad they didn't take Joe Old at least for something.
Speaker 2: Well, he was gone.
Speaker 3: I know. That's the only mok I've never seen them
Speaker 3: take all at eight.
Speaker 2: The Vikings trade up with the Falcons to come up
Speaker 2: and get McCarthy. They give up eleven one O eight.
Speaker 2: That's the Falcons for pick eight. Did you only move
Speaker 2: on up three spots in it?
Speaker 3: Minnesota? That's good stuff. Yeah. So side note, I heard
Speaker 3: Michaelmbardi talking about this a couple of days ago. There's
Speaker 3: still a penalty to come down for Atlanta on the
Speaker 3: tampering charges. Yes, cousin, and some of the speculation is
Speaker 3: they're just going to swap eight and eleven as a penalty.
Speaker 3: How crazy would that be?
Speaker 2: That would be pretty cool. I can't imagine that happening.
Speaker 2: The league doing that get something for it, yeah, because
Speaker 2: they haven't done that before.
Speaker 3: Benefit.
Speaker 2: The Eagles are also looking at some kind of penalty
Speaker 2: for tampering with Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3: So both those are going to happen before Thursday.
Speaker 2: It's more likely that they lose a pick. You don't,
Speaker 2: They don't always, they don't typically give the other team
Speaker 2: a pick.
Speaker 3: I know, that's the one thing I thought was odd too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know. So they come up to get Jay McCarthy,
Speaker 3: I mean at that price. Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah. At nine, Chicago takes Dallas Turner.
Speaker 3: That's not so bad for them, right yeah.
Speaker 2: At ten, brock Bowers to the Jets. Okay, it just
Speaker 2: makes it just makes so much sense, it does, it does.
Speaker 2: At eleven, the Falcons take after trading down layout too
Speaker 2: lay two.
Speaker 3: Right, assuming his neck checks out, I think that's where
Speaker 3: he should go.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh. The Eagles then trade up to twelve.
Speaker 3: I think they could be a trade up team.
Speaker 2: They give up to go to twelve for a corner
Speaker 2: twenty two fifty and one sixty one, and that goes
Speaker 2: to the Broncos, who should be trying to collect as
Speaker 2: many picks as possible, and they take nicks. At twenty
Speaker 2: two or something, they come up to take Terry and Arnold.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think they could be aggressive for a corner.
Speaker 2: At thirteen, the Raiders take to Laici Fauaga.
Speaker 3: Stick and pick and you're happy butte. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At fourteen, the Saints take oulu Fashanu or fashion. I
Speaker 2: can't get you the same fashion. I'm At fifteen, Brian
Speaker 2: Thomas to the Colts.
Speaker 3: I think that's possibility to Pierce has not quite worked
Speaker 3: out and all the loaded boxes they would see with
Speaker 3: Richardson and Taylor.
Speaker 2: And he's different from Michael Pittman.
Speaker 3: Exactly and downs and yeah, right.
Speaker 2: At sixteen, we have another trade the Steelers coming up.
Speaker 2: How about that? The Steelers give up twenty and eighty
Speaker 2: four to come up to sixteen and take J. C. Latham.
Speaker 3: That's a guy I would consider trading up for. Yeah,
Speaker 3: although in this situation Fortanu and are still there. But
Speaker 3: that's four picks. You got to keep your fingers crossed on.
Speaker 2: And this is probably I don't know if Jacksonville is
Speaker 2: gonna want to trade with you because they've got since
Speaker 2: he won't. Since he's not going to trade with you,
Speaker 2: the nineteen doesn't doesn't do any good, right, Yeah, So
Speaker 2: that's really that's the team that I would target.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who was the team again? Who's sixteen Seattle? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I guess there's not somebody that Patanu could be their guy?
Speaker 3: Maybe Murphy, like, there's not someone they have to have? Yeah, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so they moved.
Speaker 2: They come up to give up one of their two
Speaker 2: third round picks to come up and get late.
Speaker 3: The crazy price. Yeah, so you move up twice to
Speaker 3: get bookend tackles.
Speaker 2: You hope for that, and I think both times will cost
Speaker 2: you a third round pick, yeah, mid a mid round
Speaker 2: pick both times.
Speaker 3: One just one that's not too bad.
Speaker 2: That's not bad at all. At seventeen, Jacksonville takes Quinna Mitchell.
Speaker 3: I can see that. Yeah, second corner is really rough.
Speaker 2: At eighteen, Cincinnati takes Byron Murphy.
Speaker 3: Makes sense. I think he's a go earlier in that
Speaker 3: he could.
Speaker 2: I think they need to go defensive tackle.
Speaker 3: That's their number one need in my opinion. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At nineteen, the Rams take year a Verse.
Speaker 3: Makes all the sense in the world. Latoo's already gone. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At twenty the Seahawks, after trading down, take Troy Fatanu.
Speaker 3: Good for them. Yeah, and if you knew that as
Speaker 3: a stealer, I would have stayed put, but it might
Speaker 3: not have gone now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know what the bankers are gonna do.
Speaker 3: Or maybe somebody else was gonna trade trade up ahead
Speaker 3: of Yeah.
Speaker 2: At twenty one, the Dolphins take Amarius Mims.
Speaker 3: I would think they're more win now than that, but
Speaker 3: you could throw them in a right tackle and.
Speaker 2: Let them say be worse than what they've been playing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lineman for them on either side makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense.
Speaker 2: At twenty two, after trading down, the Broncos take bo Nicks.
Speaker 3: Perfect. I mean, if they are that high on them
Speaker 3: and you could get him later. Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they also traded for Zack Wilson today. Oh they did.
Speaker 3: I didn't see that.
Speaker 2: You didn't see that. No, Yeah, they traded for Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2: That doesn't change any They still don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Because I thought Zack Wilson trade I didn't see the details.
Speaker 3: Might end up like a brock osswater trade where they
Speaker 3: give you stuff to take them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, he'll look into that. Yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 2: We have another trade here at twenty three. The Cardinals
Speaker 2: coming up. They get twenty three. The Vikings get twenty
Speaker 2: seven and ninety. Okay, the Cardinals came up to get
Speaker 2: Nate Wiggins.
Speaker 3: Wow. Nice, So they get Wiggins in uh Harris Junior. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and Minnesota recap some picks by going backwards after going up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got another projected trade here at twenty four.
Speaker 3: This is a fun draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if the Cowboys come up or I'm sorry, the
Speaker 2: Chiefs come up to twenty four, the Cowboys get thirty two,
Speaker 2: ninety five and one fifty nine.
Speaker 3: Cowboys have a lot of needs. They did nothing in
Speaker 3: free agency, moving back would make sense.
Speaker 2: For them, and the Chiefs came up to get a
Speaker 2: Donnie Mitchell.
Speaker 3: I thought it was gonna be Worthy, but I would
Speaker 3: I'd rather Mitchell. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At twenty five, the Packers take Grimburton solid Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2: Then at twenty six takes Chop Robinson. That's getting old shockey,
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: They use high pics on d Lineman there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. At twenty seven, after moving down, the Vikings take
Speaker 2: jers On Newton Ay.
Speaker 3: Bad to get a quarterback and you go detackle.
Speaker 2: Okay, Buffalo at twenty eight take Xavier Worthy. I don't
Speaker 2: like that fit.
Speaker 3: I don't love the fit either. I might rather take
Speaker 3: mconukey if I were then I would rather much rather
Speaker 3: have mconukay. Yeah. I think they need guys to catch
Speaker 3: a lot of balls.
Speaker 2: At twenty nine, the Lions take Cooper Dejen.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a would bargain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that works out, although they already have Brian Branch true.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe they would rather have a kool aid.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe where they could just say we got all
Speaker 2: these movable pieces in them back. We could we could
Speaker 2: do a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, here's his temperament, fits the line. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh. Then we have the Commanders trading up into the
Speaker 2: first round, Baltimore trading out. The Commanders get number thirty,
Speaker 2: the Ravens get picked thirty six and seventy eight, and
Speaker 2: Washington came up to get Tyler Geyton.
Speaker 3: I said it has to be a tackle. I would think, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 3: I guess Guyton's kind of the last of.
Speaker 2: A group of the yeah premium guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Thirty one, San Francisco takes kool Aid McKinstry.
Speaker 3: That would work. He's given this draft a lot of thought.
Speaker 3: Well done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at thirty two, after trading down, Dallas takes
Speaker 2: Jordan Morgan.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean they could use the center, a guard,
Speaker 3: could move Smith out to left tackle. They need two linemen. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Thirty three the first pick of day two, Jackson Powers.
Speaker 2: Johnson goes to Carolina.
Speaker 3: I think that's very possible.
Speaker 2: Keyon Coleman in New England. Christian Haynes to Arizona. That's
Speaker 2: as high as I've seen Christian Haynes go solid. Baltimore
Speaker 2: moved down and took Darius Robinson at thirty six.
Speaker 3: It might have been who they took there, right.
Speaker 2: Lad McConkie at thirty seven to the Chargers. That's a
Speaker 2: nice pick.
Speaker 3: That's nice pick. Yeah, Old Maconkee.
Speaker 2: Kingsley saw Mattia goes to the Titans at thirty eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they need lineman and they had a
Speaker 3: good line coach to work with them.
Speaker 2: Xavier Lagett at thirty nine to the Panthers. Let's see.
Speaker 2: Chris Jenkins goes at forty two to Houston. Rakestraw goes
Speaker 2: at forty three to the Falcons. Michael Pennix at forty
Speaker 2: four to the Raiders.
Speaker 3: Wow, I think he's earlier in that.
Speaker 2: Let's see here. TJ. Tampa at forty seven goes to
Speaker 2: the Giants. Troy Franklin at forty eight goes to the Jaguars.
Speaker 2: His teammate or I'm sorry, teammate conference mate, Jalen Polk
Speaker 2: goes to the Bengals at forty nine. Denver takes Chris
Speaker 2: Braswell and it puts the Steelers up, and the Steelers
Speaker 2: take at fifty one. Roman Wilson, Okay, I don't love it.
Speaker 3: He's a slot. He's a good player doesn't. He's not.
Speaker 3: He struggles against man a little bit. I think he's
Speaker 3: strictly a slot, which is what worries me. But a
Speaker 3: receiver in this neighborhood after trading up makes all sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pearsall was still there. I prefer Pearsaw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but okay, I get it.
Speaker 2: Wilson would work.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Max Melton is the next pick to the Rams.
Speaker 3: Or good Players board though too.
Speaker 2: Junior Colson goes at fifty three to the Eagles. Brayden
Speaker 2: Fisk goes to the Dolphins at fifty five. They could
Speaker 2: certainly use him, Yeah. Jonathan Brooks at the Cowboys fifty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Fifty seven, Tampa Bay takes Zach Fraser. Would Steeler fans
Speaker 2: be going nuts?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: If they passed on Zach Fraser at fifty one.
Speaker 3: Unless they take Barton in round one. I think the
Speaker 3: answer to that question.
Speaker 2: Is yes, they will lose their minds.
Speaker 3: What. Yeah, I would right now rather have Wilson or
Speaker 3: Fraser than Wilson if you said I could have one
Speaker 3: of these two to my team right in the second.
Speaker 2: But would you rather have a Fraser than Pearsall?
Speaker 3: No? No?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Cole Bishop at fifty eight to the Packers. Mike
Speaker 2: Sandastril at fifty nine to the Texans.
Speaker 3: That's a playing the meetah too.
Speaker 2: Ricky Piersall goes at sixty one to the Lions. At
Speaker 2: sixty two, Malachi Cora Ley to the Ravens.
Speaker 3: H receiversarting to fall, but already have one in this
Speaker 3: yeah regard.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sixty three Roger Rosengarten goes to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we want tackles and receivers to fall though,
Speaker 3: so that's fine.
Speaker 2: Dominic Pooney at sixty four finishes off the first round.
Speaker 2: He goes a ca as a city.
Speaker 3: I heard some people thinking he could play center.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, I saw some of that, more and
Speaker 2: more of that.
Speaker 3: I guess he's super smart, and that's an interesting one.
Speaker 2: He has a big body, sound done something in the past,
Speaker 2: has a little bit of experience with it. Kicking off
Speaker 2: round three, Jonah Ellis the edge rusherd of Utah goes
Speaker 2: to Carolina sixty six. Ruke Roor Hero at sixty six
Speaker 2: goes to the Cardinal.
Speaker 3: I was gonna mention him at fifty one was a
Speaker 3: crossed my mind, Yeah, you know right.
Speaker 2: Kamari Lassiter at sixty seven goes to the Commanders.
Speaker 3: Four six five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Massan Smith at seventy to the Giants.
Speaker 3: That's seeming pretty chalky that he's probably third round. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Blake Fisher at seventy two to the Jets.
Speaker 3: That would be a nice consolation prize since he went
Speaker 3: Bowers in round one. Yeah, a little bit of you know,
Speaker 3: tackle insurance.
Speaker 2: Jalen McMillan at seventy five to the Bears. Andrew Phillips
Speaker 2: goes at seventy six to the Broncos.
Speaker 3: Been nice if he was still hanging around, But Steelers
Speaker 3: only a one third round pick now, right.
Speaker 2: Bernardo Green goes at seventy seven to do the Raiders.
Speaker 3: This is a good corner neighborhood right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the sweet spot.
Speaker 3: I think it might be what you give up if
Speaker 3: you'd move up for Latham, isn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, quality you're going to be picking, Yeah, you'll be
Speaker 2: picking from the bottom of that Beryl as opposed to
Speaker 2: who you want. Peyton Wilson goes at eighty one to
Speaker 2: the Seahawks. Cam Hart at eighty two to the Colts.
Speaker 2: He doesn't really fit with the Steelers need there, I.
Speaker 3: Mean they love size of the Colts. Corners. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler at eighty three to the Rams.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to go on day two. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: especially if those other two get high him go up
Speaker 3: in this neighborhood.
Speaker 2: At eighty four with that pick that they got from
Speaker 2: the Steelers, the Seahawks take Jatavian Sanders.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's not who the Steelers would have taken, I'm sure,
Speaker 3: but there are quality guys out there to pick from.
Speaker 2: The Browns take Javon Foster at eighty five.
Speaker 3: I guess it's time to start addressing that airline a little. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Kyrie Jackson goes at eighty eight to the Packers. Mason
Speaker 2: McCormick at eighty nine to the Buccaneers.
Speaker 3: I think that's the neighborhood. I mean, if he's gonna
Speaker 3: be a Steeler, it's probably with one of those third
Speaker 3: round picks.
Speaker 2: Brandon Coleman goes at ninety to the Vikings.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Chris Abrams drain at ninety two to the Buccaneers.
Speaker 3: I'm fond of him as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Kaylin Carson at ninety three goes to the Ravens out
Speaker 2: of Wake Forest.
Speaker 3: Another one. Yeah, that's that neighborhood for corners.
Speaker 2: Leonard Taylor goes at ninety four to the forty nine Ers,
Speaker 2: Cedric Gray at ninety five to Dallas. Any linebackers line
Speaker 2: with them now, Christian Jones at ninety seven to the Bengals.
Speaker 2: That's always seemed some of these boxer were like, he's
Speaker 2: still sitting there in the fifth round. That shouldn't happen.
Speaker 2: He's probably gonna be a start athletic tackle like that
Speaker 2: was forty eight. Career starts right right that.
Speaker 3: It's still a tackle, and tackle are still hard to find.
Speaker 2: At ninety eight, he has the Steelers taking Cedric van
Speaker 2: Prin Greener.
Speaker 3: Kay probably wouldn't be my choice at center, but center
Speaker 3: there makes all the sense of.
Speaker 1: The word to me.
Speaker 2: I would go nickel corner back there, and he's still
Speaker 2: have Josh Newton out of a TCU. He's a pretty
Speaker 2: good little player. Then you're looking at Elijah Jones still there,
Speaker 2: another good player there at the cornerback position. Malik Mustapha's
Speaker 2: there could play the slot for you. We can run.
Speaker 3: We talked about corners in that third round. Neighborhood, you're
Speaker 3: right there. You're kind of picking the not the bottom
Speaker 3: of the barrel, but.
Speaker 2: You don't have your choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot as many to.
Speaker 2: The camera. And Richardson is there from Mississippi State. He's
Speaker 2: a little bigger though.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Ben then picked one nineteen. He has the Steelers taking
Speaker 2: DJ James cornerback out of Auburn.
Speaker 3: Okay, So they went tackle receiver, center, center, corner.
Speaker 2: Those are the positions they need to hit. Yeah, we'd
Speaker 2: all agree with that.
Speaker 3: That could be their order.
Speaker 2: But the first four picks, had they waited it, pick
Speaker 2: one two, the Bears take Hunter nors Ad. I would
Speaker 2: rather take the corner back at ninety eight instead of
Speaker 2: Ryan and then think thinking that I could get Norz yeah,
Speaker 2: or someone Ordelini or Limber. Yeah, yeah, one of those guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Those fourth round center aren't.
Speaker 2: Bad, No, not bad at all. I think they're and.
Speaker 3: Especially if they truly do have a plan in place
Speaker 3: at home, you know, with on the team already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Bordolini goes two picks later to San Francisco at.
Speaker 3: One twenty four, maybe a good fit for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see here. Jarvis Browne was still there as well,
Speaker 2: another good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I go corners, these corners, the third and fourth
Speaker 3: round would be useful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, moving on to the fifth round, of course, the
Speaker 2: Steelers don't have a pick there, so we just kind
Speaker 2: of breezed through this one. I see who jumps out
Speaker 2: of me?
Speaker 3: And after trading back in round one, instead of maybe
Speaker 3: taking Rome and Wilson at fifty one much like they
Speaker 3: did last year, maybe they moved down to fifty eight
Speaker 3: there and back up a fifth or a third or
Speaker 3: something that.
Speaker 2: And then take the Piers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, McKinley Jackson goes to the Eagles at one seventy two.
Speaker 2: Did you see the McKinley Jackson stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the mcginnon stuff. Yeah, I mean, tough as nails.
Speaker 2: But both of his parents were in jail. Yeah, said
Speaker 2: he loves he loves football. Both of his parents are
Speaker 2: I've been in and out of prison.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It basically said, like he's the last dude you
Speaker 3: messed with in the locker room. Tough guy. I mean
Speaker 3: there's some of that background stuff's really interesting. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 3: But it doesn't mean he's a bad kid.
Speaker 2: No, No, absolutely not interesting a rough Yeah. Round six
Speaker 2: it pick one seventy eight. The Steelers take Fabian Lovett,
Speaker 2: senior defensive tackle, out of Florida State. He's he's big
Speaker 2: enough to ride to ride. He's like six four three fifteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's about all I know about him, to be
Speaker 3: honest with you.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's one pick after Xavier Thomas. Thomas linebacker empsen Quantes.
Speaker 2: Stiggers is the next pick at one seventy nine.
Speaker 3: Have we talked about him? He did? Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 3: thought so. I'm not sure if you even know he is.
Speaker 3: But he didn't play college football. No, he's a CFL guy.
Speaker 3: He was a CFL Defensive Rookie of the Year this year.
Speaker 3: He's a corner.
Speaker 2: Played in the also played in the Arena League. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then went to the EXF he went.
Speaker 3: He went to that goofy league I think where fans
Speaker 3: call the plays for you. Something weird like that too.
Speaker 3: So he's had an interesting road. He's to get drafted
Speaker 3: in the mid rounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got he's good size, and he's got trades. Huh,
Speaker 2: he's got trades.
Speaker 3: There's different type of film to watch on him than others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see Matt Gonkhalave's I know I'm not pronouncing
Speaker 2: I know, always pronounce it wrong. He goes at one
Speaker 2: ninety one to the Colts.
Speaker 3: I think he's hiring that.
Speaker 2: I think he goes hirding that too.
Speaker 3: Even if he's just hard. The other thing I'm hearing
Speaker 3: about him is good.
Speaker 2: The Steelers at one ninety five with their last pick,
Speaker 2: then take Javon Solomon edge Rusher out of Troy.
Speaker 3: A little bit of work on him, he's okay, yeah
Speaker 3: for that pick.
Speaker 2: And that's that's a pick that, Yeah, you could certainly
Speaker 2: use a guy there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I special teams will being a media contributor. It's
Speaker 3: not gonna beat out her big for the three, you know,
Speaker 3: but cheap guy. He could even still bring Golden in
Speaker 3: if you want it or somebody like him. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's that's not a bad option there at all.
Speaker 2: So that's I mean, I don't I don't mind that draftcess.
Speaker 3: I like the style of it. Yeah, I might switch
Speaker 3: some of the names, even with the la.
Speaker 2: Positions that they hit them.
Speaker 3: That's the tackles the spot that you kind of gave
Speaker 3: up with the trade up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of what you say.
Speaker 2: And that could be next year's.
Speaker 3: It could be you know, absolutely could be you know idea.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I've been kind of leaning towards maybe
Speaker 3: it should be next year's first round pick slash project. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think cams can still give you a lot and
Speaker 3: interested to see what some of the other younger guys
Speaker 3: can do too. Yeah, but if there's a good one,
Speaker 3: take them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was Jordan Reid's seven around Lockham. What he had
Speaker 2: the Steelers coming out of that with and a lot
Speaker 2: of trades in the first round. I expect that to happen.
Speaker 3: I did too, he gave a lot of thought to that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I forgot what the number was today, but I heard
Speaker 3: something about you can bet on how many first round
Speaker 3: trades are going to be and it's been higher this
Speaker 3: year than any other year.
Speaker 2: That doesn't surprise.
Speaker 3: That surprise me. Yeah, I mean a team like the
Speaker 3: Bills in the back seem like they could come up.
Speaker 3: The Eagles came up, you.
Speaker 2: Know, talking about uh the early I think the record
Speaker 2: for offensive players selected in the first round is nineteen
Speaker 2: and it's been done like five times. I bet it
Speaker 2: gets broken this year.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think where I heard today too, because
Speaker 3: the over under in Vegas on defensive players, I think
Speaker 3: it's ten and a half. Yeah, so they're expecting it.
Speaker 3: They're respecting it to day nine and a half or
Speaker 3: ten and a half. That's a really low number for
Speaker 3: thirty two picks. But there's been a ton of receivers,
Speaker 3: a ton of tackles.
Speaker 2: Five quarterbacks, I think at least five. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think five.
Speaker 3: If the over under was five, you'd go over.
Speaker 2: No, they never said it at I know that's all.
Speaker 3: You could push. Yeah, Like, I think if it's four
Speaker 3: and a half, you'd take the over.
Speaker 2: I'd take the five and a half.
Speaker 3: You'd go on to go under. That's why I said
Speaker 3: at five. Yeah, I think I'd go over, but I
Speaker 3: bet I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Go I'm gonna go over five and a half.
Speaker 3: No, right right, I think he'll probably be five.
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Speaker 3: Be flying off.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of stuff happening at after
Speaker 2: Sure Stadium this weekend. Oh okay, I get a little
Speaker 2: get the fan fest down there that goes on during
Speaker 2: the draft on Saturday. Get maybe the chance to meet
Speaker 2: a couple of the draft picks down here.
Speaker 3: You should bring him in the day after getting picked
Speaker 3: and all that.
Speaker 2: Stopped by the the stadium store there at the Acrocure Stadium.
Speaker 2: Lots of fun stuff. Cam Hayward is doing his his
Speaker 2: podcast down there. Yeah, so lots of good stuff happening
Speaker 2: down there.
Speaker 3: Sometimes we sit down with the draft picks too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I know. I'll have an opportunity on Friday and
Speaker 2: we'll play that back later in the day to sit
Speaker 2: down with whoever that number one draft pick is. Oh nice,
Speaker 2: So you get a chance to do that. Some other
Speaker 2: interesting notes and tidbits for this draft, and we mentioned
Speaker 2: the nineteen offensive players selected in the draft that that's
Speaker 2: the record right now is nineteen sixty eight, which a
Speaker 2: long time ago two thousand and four, in two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine, sixty eight.
Speaker 3: Didn't know you even have thirty two picks, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: right as a heavy offensively running back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of Yeah, there's probably seven running backs eight.
Speaker 2: The Bears have two of the draft's first nine picks
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 3: This is a schefter stuff came out today. There's some
Speaker 3: really interesting notes in there.
Speaker 2: Uh. Then they have two more picks in the top
Speaker 2: two forty nine. That's it, right, Like they should trade back, yeah, somewhere.
Speaker 3: I mean nine is the only spot. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: they're gonna take quarterback at one. I think if a
Speaker 3: done days there at nine, they're gonna take them. But
Speaker 3: if not, they should be heavy trade down and maybe
Speaker 3: even entertain offers at that point.
Speaker 2: They do have one nine seventy five and one twenty two,
Speaker 2: so they're they're not yeah the top one twenty two, Yeah,
Speaker 2: which isn't bad.
Speaker 3: And they've done a lot in free agency and they
Speaker 3: have a ton of cap space. I mean, their needs
Speaker 3: have shrunk.
Speaker 2: But in this draft, I mean, going from nine to
Speaker 2: seventy five in this draft, you're gonna be sitting there
Speaker 2: a long time. Gome boy, there's a lot of good
Speaker 2: players going off the board.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and people are probably like, well, the
Speaker 3: front office doesn't have to pay much attention to those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they do do. They're gonna be free wiking them just
Speaker 3: as much as every you can play. And yeah, with
Speaker 3: due diligence. If you're not ranking those guys, how about
Speaker 3: this one.
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley could become the first college head coach in
Speaker 2: the common draft era, which is since.
Speaker 3: It was funny as they could, he's going to, yeah.
Speaker 2: To produce three number one overall picks. And whether you
Speaker 2: think these guys should have gone number one overall, that
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Kayleb Williams, Kyler, Murray Baker Mayfield. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: pretty crazy interesting. Marvin Harrison Junior, this is interesting too.
Speaker 2: Will be the fifth son of an NFL Hall of
Speaker 2: Famer to be a first round draft pick.
Speaker 3: First round pick. The others, I know the answer. Okay,
Speaker 3: I did read. I read through these actually right before
Speaker 3: I drove here.
Speaker 2: You got twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: Jake Matthews.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jake Matthews, who's the son of Bruce Matthews. H
Speaker 2: Then you got Kyle Long that was in twenty thirteen
Speaker 2: or twenty fourteen. Twenty thirteen was Kyle Long, son of
Speaker 2: Howie Long. Two thousand and eight it was Chris Long,
Speaker 2: son of Howie Long.
Speaker 3: Brother of Kyle.
Speaker 2: Yes, and in two thousand and four of the ill
Speaker 2: fated Kellen Winslow, the second by the Brown.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Pretty good dads, though, good dads. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of legacy picks coming up in this draft of
Speaker 3: Hall of famers, but their sons aren't going to be first, right,
Speaker 3: That's the that's the difference McCaffrey's and you know, right,
Speaker 3: and really, of those of those players, Jake Matthews is
Speaker 3: a pretty good player. Oh yeah, I mean it's been
Speaker 3: a solid the Matthews never missed time, which is unbelieve unbelievable,
Speaker 3: robo every one of them, and I kind of forget
Speaker 3: Bruce was the same way, and Jake's been really steady.
Speaker 3: You'd be happy. I've been football player for the last decade.
Speaker 2: Really good football player. The other one, I mean, Cole Long,
Speaker 2: Chris Long, they were okay, Yeah, both had injuries. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Kellen Winslow, same thing. Injuries.
Speaker 3: Injuries. Yeah, I remember watching Winslow for the first time
Speaker 3: going holy smokes, and then after he wrecked his bike,
Speaker 3: he was not close to the same physically, and he
Speaker 3: had some.
Speaker 2: Other issues maybe mentally too.
Speaker 3: Mentally was never his strength or maybe wouldn't erect his bike.
Speaker 2: How about this one, Quinny and Mitchell expected to become
Speaker 2: the first first round pick from the MAC since Corey
Speaker 2: Davis in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: You think, but I guess guys transfer out now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: There's not gonna be Ben that just sits there the whole time.
Speaker 3: I mean he had opportunities to leave, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and stayed and stayed. Yeah, you know where like Jared
Speaker 3: Vers went to Floor State and yeah, right right, and
Speaker 3: a lot of guys transfer.
Speaker 2: Those guys, those guys leave, you know, even the Western
Speaker 2: Michigan guys. Fisk left this, you know, Marshaw Kneeland stayed.
Speaker 2: Fisk lest I guess.
Speaker 3: He Nland could sneak in the Hey could, Yeah he could.
Speaker 3: But Mitchell will I wonder if it was we less
Speaker 3: and less of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Probably, So, I mean.
Speaker 3: That good you come out early or you get an nil.
Speaker 2: And somebody, Yeah, somebody offers to pay you more money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: It will be the third mac defensive back to go
Speaker 2: in the first round in history, joining Ron Johnson seventy
Speaker 2: eight and Jimmy Ward in twenty fourteen. Where Jimmy Ward
Speaker 2: to school Jimmy Ward went to It doesn't matter. I
Speaker 2: think Southern Illinois, Okay, I believe, Yeah, Okay, it's either
Speaker 2: southern or Northern Illinois. One of the Illinois one of the.
Speaker 3: Directions, some directional school that I get mixed up.
Speaker 2: U c LA Edge Rusher lay Off too late too
Speaker 2: is expected to become UCLA's first first round pick since
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: It's a long time for a big school, for a
Speaker 3: school like that. Yeah, I mean that's a hotbed. LA's
Speaker 3: got great kids. You should be recruiting first round pit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: some regularity there. And I hear it's like one of
Speaker 3: the most beautiful campuses ever too. Yeah, you would think
Speaker 3: you should be. Even back in my recruiting days, people
Speaker 3: would say, why doesn't UCLA recruit better than as well
Speaker 3: as anyone in the league.
Speaker 2: They should recruit at least as well as USC you'd think, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you would think it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: Doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: Uh. And at twenty eighteen draft, they had two guys
Speaker 2: taken in the first round. Do you know who they were?
Speaker 3: I know, Colton Miller was one.
Speaker 2: The other one was Josh rosen Ouch.
Speaker 3: Easy to forget.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what the school that produced Tommy Maddox as
Speaker 2: well touchdown Tommy. Alabama offensive tackle jac Latham expected to
Speaker 2: become the ninth offensive lineman and probably last under Nick
Speaker 2: Saban since two thousand and eight, to be first round
Speaker 2: draft pick. No other school has produced more than five.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, a lot of them don't hit. They have been
Speaker 3: really bad hit rate. I mean now that I don't
Speaker 3: hold that against Latham, but when there's that long a list,
Speaker 3: it's a little scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people with better ones. Yeah, people talk about the oh,
Speaker 2: don't take on Ohio State quarterback or don't take a
Speaker 2: big twelve quarterback. Yeah, those things have getting Those things
Speaker 2: get shattered.
Speaker 3: They do, and you can't scout the helmet. It's certainly
Speaker 3: a mistake you make. But you wonder, did Nick just
Speaker 3: beat the crap out of these old linemen? And they
Speaker 3: played more games than everybody else, so they just a
Speaker 3: little more beat up when they get to the league
Speaker 3: than other teams. I don't know. I mean some of
Speaker 3: these Georgia guys aren't quite living up to the expectation.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, all these guys have been drafted super high
Speaker 3: on defense.
Speaker 2: Uh. Speaking of the Georgia guys, Amarus Mimes had the
Speaker 2: largest wingspan and this year's calm by eighty six and
Speaker 2: three quarters inches.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean anything. The most are listeners. You're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's long.
Speaker 2: That's only a quarter of inch smaller than that of Giannis.
Speaker 3: And I can never pronounce the Greek freak.
Speaker 2: The Greek freak, Yeah, who is like seven too.
Speaker 3: It takes like four strides get out of the court
Speaker 3: and dugs or bat court right with the crazy long arms.
Speaker 3: That's the Mims plus a lot of weight plus quarter
Speaker 3: inch different wingspan than that.
Speaker 2: In about one hundred and fifty pounds.
Speaker 3: Now, Mims' chest is way bigger than the Greek freak. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, like his arm length isn't insane, but that's
Speaker 3: still that wingspan is bonkers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he'd call him the Georgia freaking.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean part of me hopes the Steelers take
Speaker 3: him just so I can see him in perfect I
Speaker 3: just want to see be next to him, like holy smokes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, he's a large human being.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he doesn't have a lot of fat on
Speaker 3: his body, and he's got shoulders and muscles, and.
Speaker 2: You know I would get it and get it. He
Speaker 2: just scares me. He just scares me, But I would
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 3: No, no doubt. Both arguments are very strong for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he may be a better pro than
Speaker 2: he was a college player. I think there's almost I
Speaker 2: think there's several players in this dreads. You know. I
Speaker 2: think the defensive lineman out of LSU is the same way.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, you would hope.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, yeah, I think he'll be a much
Speaker 2: better pro than he was.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of examples. We could come
Speaker 3: up with long lists. I think, yeah, either injuries or
Speaker 3: something held them scheme wise, or I mean, is behind
Speaker 3: a really good player. I would hope Geyiton would be
Speaker 3: a beaut you know, guys like that just didn't get
Speaker 3: a chance to play.
Speaker 2: A lot of those Michigan guys, you know, well he
Speaker 2: didn't have any stats. Well he's on a defense with
Speaker 2: ten other NFL players.
Speaker 3: Maybe just you know those Michigan defenses too, or do
Speaker 3: your job. I don't need get freelancing to get sacks,
Speaker 3: and it works. They win games, you know. Yeah, frankly
Speaker 3: McCarthy could be a better yeah, pro.
Speaker 2: Than if somebody that takes them forth in the top ten.
Speaker 3: He'd better be, especially statistically, Yeah, I mean his winning
Speaker 3: percentage won't be as good, but right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think that he's lost like three games is
Speaker 2: a quarter back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's.
Speaker 2: Like he's like thirty eight and two in high school
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 3: Think he lost one game in Michigan's something like that's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and somebody said for it, No, there definitely is.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think winning is contagious, and I think
Speaker 2: guys are winners. You get guys who were winners.
Speaker 3: And he's young, and I like him more now than
Speaker 3: when this process started. I looked at it like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, they ran the ball a million times against
Speaker 3: Penn State, well part of us, because they couldn't block
Speaker 3: drop Robinson.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, so this ran at him. Then Penn
Speaker 2: State also couldn't stop it.
Speaker 3: And it couldn't stop it. So that's not you shouldn't
Speaker 3: hold that against McCarthy. Yeah, Also because they ran so
Speaker 3: much they were in third and medium and third and
Speaker 3: long a lot, and he was really good on third down. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's that part of it too. Let's get
Speaker 2: to another break that's going to do it for our
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