1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Wa 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: wa wa. Welcome back to the show everyone, Wa. This 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: is stuff they don't want you to know. I'm Matt 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: and I'm Ben. Welcome back guys today. It's getting exciting. 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: You know, listeners can't see this right now, Matt, but 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: you have a you have a weird grin on an 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: air of mischief about and perhaps it's just the most 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: wonderful time of the year, which is what you want 11 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: to call Halloween on this show. Or maybe you got 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: something up your sleeves there. Maybe every time salmon comes around. 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: I feel a little bit that way us the correct pronunciation, 14 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: which we learned the hard way. Yes, uh, listeners out 15 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: there who also watch our videos, you know that Ben 16 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: and I have tried our hand at starting one of 17 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: those what do you call them? Cults? Um it went 18 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: pretty well, it did. You can actually see some of 19 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: the results in a video series that we did. One 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: episode in particular wherein Matt, you as the cult leader, 21 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: have sent me out to proselytize our coworkers. Well, I 22 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: will say that I was not self appointed. Well, you know, 23 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: sometimes the Godhead just finds your right. So we we 24 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: do have a video where we take a satirical look 25 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: at some of the some of the operations that cults. You, 26 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: some of the techniques would be a better work, right, 27 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: How occult begins, right, and how a cult grows, and 28 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: how it maintains loyalty, ideology and pushes people into increasingly 29 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: unusual decisions. Right. Sure, And Uh, you know, if if 30 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: you work in uh the law, or if you work 31 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: with logistics, then you're well aware of decision trees and 32 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: how with a little bit of forethought and with some 33 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: careful puppet stringing, you can place people, uh, very easily 34 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: into a situation that they would have never ever in 35 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: a million years thought they would do. And which brings 36 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: us to our next side of the story here. And 37 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: what's that meant? Well, we're asking an interesting question here today. 38 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: Do intelligence agencies run cults? Uh? What an interesting question? Yeah, 39 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: fascinating even now in the United States. When we say 40 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies, we're talking specifically in this sense about things 41 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: like the FBI and the CIA, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, 42 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: Central Intelligence Agency, and we know that these Alphabet agencies, 43 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: specifically those two and also the n s A and 44 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: several other of them, they are actively monitoring groups, all 45 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 1: kinds of individuals that they consider to be let's say, 46 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: possible threats to the national security. Can you guys hear 47 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: the finger quotations we just put around that the air quotes. 48 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 1: That's because national security is often vaguely defined and increasingly so. 49 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: So just for examples. Uh, what what's something that these 50 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: agencies would monitor. One that you are probably aware of 51 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: is the occupy movement that happened several years ago and 52 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: is still ongoing today. Um. You can look, there's um 53 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: a Guardian article that we looked at about how the 54 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: FBI coordinated the entire crackdown, well not the entire but 55 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: a large portion of the crackdown on the occupy movement. Um, 56 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: and that's by Naomi Wolf. You can check that out. Yeah, 57 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: we've got a quotation here. Part of this that we 58 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: pulled from this article for you guys to hear is uh. 59 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: In this article in the Guardian, Naomi Wolf talks about 60 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: the documents that emerged showing how closely the alphabet agencies 61 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: and private sector entities cooperated sometimes merging into a single 62 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: entity known as the Domestic Security Alliance Counsel. Here's a 63 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: quote and reveals this merge entity to have one centrally planned, 64 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: locally executed mission. The documents and short show the cops 65 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: and Department of Homeland Security working for and with banks 66 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: to target arrest and politically disabled peaceful American citizens. That 67 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: really happened, Yeah, yeah, yep, And we know that that's 68 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: not the first time it happened. We know that throughout 69 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: US history, other groups have been civilian groups, mind you, 70 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: have been monitored by the FBI in particular, but also 71 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: other government agencies, and the FBI in particular because it's 72 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: within the United States. That's why they're the agency looking 73 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: at it. And we've looked at this before with coent 74 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 1: tel Pro. When you look at the way that they 75 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: handled the FBI handled u MLK Martin Luther King Jr. 76 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: And how like how they monitored his phone calls, They 77 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 1: watched all of it, like all kinds of just spying 78 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: on this guy, went through his mail, yeah, manipulating sending 79 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: him threats. Very interesting and scary. Then you've also got 80 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, right, Yeah, the s c LC, 81 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: as well as m OKA and other members affiliated. Both 82 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: individuals and groups affiliated with the civil rights movement were 83 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: aggressively monitored and targeted. But they weren't the only ones. 84 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: There was also what would be called the New Left 85 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: or people pushing for Irish independence, an exile group called 86 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: Cuban Power uh, and people fighting for Puerto ricandependence and 87 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: so on. It even gets a little bit crazier than that. 88 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: We're talking about monitoring, right, Yeah, groups that you would 89 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: not think would be monitored and try me really okay. Vegetarians, Oh, 90 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: the isis of restaurants. Huh. They're dangerous, man, more dangerous 91 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: than you could ever know. Also environmentalists, and I can 92 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: see the angle with environmentalists because there is the uh 93 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: I don't I forget the term for eco terrorism? Yeah, um, 94 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: I mean that does exist, That is a real thing. 95 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: But vegetarians, I'm trying to think if maybe there's an 96 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: angle for on Santo to get involved. I wonder that's 97 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: not a bad question. We have a we have an 98 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: interesting story to point you toward. Check out the story 99 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: of an informant named Anna, and Anna was asked to 100 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: infiltrate things like vegan potlucks looking for eco terrorists, people 101 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: who would be a threat to h quote unquote national security. Right. 102 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: I watched recently a movie on HBO. I believe it 103 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,119 Speaker 1: is called The East. I think that's what it's called. 104 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: How about eco terrorists and this other independent agency that 105 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: sends people to infiltrate them? And I wonder where some 106 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: of maybe the story of Anna comes into play. Yeah, Now, 107 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: from what we understand, the informant Anna is came forward 108 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: because this person may or may not be female, but 109 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: clearly I think it's female. Uh, this person is disillusioned 110 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: with the strategies used by domestic intelligence agencies. If you 111 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: haven't checked it out yet, checked out our video about 112 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: whether the what whether these guys are on the up 113 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: and up and obeying the law when they do the 114 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: monetary and they certainly were not doing it during co 115 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: and tellpro which is why Congress changed some of the laws. 116 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: But how many of those laws got changed back A 117 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: little tidbit here in two thousand and two under the 118 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: Bush administration, some of those laws were rescinded in the 119 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: interest of, wait for it, national security. We better not 120 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: make that a drinking game, because somebody's going to get 121 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: alcohol poisoning um and you know this. We also know 122 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: that if we're just talking about monitoring a lot of 123 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: socialist leaning religious groups that were anti war, pacifist groups 124 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: have been targeted. In short, Matt, they could target pretty 125 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: much anyone they wanted. But did they actually infiltrate these groups? Well, 126 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: we're gonna find out really soon after a quick word 127 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: from one of our sponsors, and we're back and we 128 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: can answer this question. In the previous part of the podcast, 129 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: we talked about monitoring groups illegally, but now it's I'm 130 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: talking about something else, right, infiltration, Now that's another thing 131 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: that we've talked about several times video, But for this 132 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about civilian groups and religious groups and how 133 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: the FBI has infiltrated them before. Right, Yes, infiltrated them, 134 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: but not just to infiltrate and surveil, not just infiltrate 135 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: as an informant. There's a line that they crossed. So 136 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: if our question is to intelligence agencies run cults, we 137 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: know that they have certainly influenced religions and you and 138 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: I know, of course, and listeners you know if you 139 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: watched for video on cults, that the division between a 140 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: religion and occult is a little bit gray. Just as 141 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter, one person's 142 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: religion is another person's cult. So we know that the 143 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: FBI CIA have used informants to enter into Weather Underground, 144 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: which was a group active a few decades before our time. Listeners, 145 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: some of you may remember the days of Weather Underground. 146 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: We know that more recently and controversially, uh, the FBI 147 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: I has placed informants in mosques in the United States. Uh. 148 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: We covered this in our video. Is the FBI manufacturing terrorists? 149 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: Why do we use that title, Matt, Well, it's because 150 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: it has to do with entrapment in one way, and 151 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: then also sending informants in to try and rile up 152 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: a group. So in this guy's case, Craig Montiel, he 153 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: went into a mosque and while he was doing surveillance 154 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: on most of the people in one of these mosques, 155 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: he was also he was also talking to them about 156 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: jihad and trying to rile everybody up. And what they 157 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: did is they contacted Well, first of all, they've put 158 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: a restraining order. They said, don't come back here anymore. 159 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: This is not what Islam is about. Yeah, we are 160 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: not the people you're looking for. And then they also 161 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: called the FBI. Yeah, and they said, look, there's this 162 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: crazy guy who is trying to bomb aces and trying 163 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: to get members of our mosque in there, and he's 164 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: harassing people and the FBI. You know, I can't imagine 165 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: the phone call that happened between there when someone said, 166 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: someone said, yeah, there's this guy who is uh, we 167 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: got a report that there may be terrorist activity at 168 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: this mosque and who reported it the mosque and then 169 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: go okay, well, thank you for the call. They put 170 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: the phone down heavy sigh, They pick it up and 171 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: they ring and they go, Craig, the jig is up, 172 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: get out of there. I mean, but that that has 173 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: to be that that is such an important question, though, 174 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: and that goes to the question of infiltration versus running 175 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: or influencing occult because the the idea here that critics 176 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: of this would would site is just as you said, 177 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: matt entrapment, you know, exactly. And so let's let's look 178 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: at another place that they've infiltrated. Another topic that we've 179 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: covered heavily owned video recently are NGOs, non government organizations 180 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: and the c i A. And we we mentioned that 181 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: they send assets in to look at groups such as Oh, 182 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, Peace Corps US aid, right, Yeah, there 183 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: are a lot of them, and it is sometimes with 184 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: the organization's understanding that they will be sending in an 185 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: informant or an asset, and sometimes it's without that understanding. 186 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: It's just what who knew that John Doe wasn't really 187 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: from every town Kansas. It's so weird to me. It happens, 188 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, it happens. And it's also part of the 189 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: reason why we hear such a stink. When people who 190 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: are working for Western n GEO are detained in uh, 191 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: non Western country, often there's this implication, whether true or not, 192 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: and I think you have to go case by case 193 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: basis whether true or not, there's this implication from the 194 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: capturing country that these people were not you know, kids 195 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: work college kids working for the Peace Corps. They were 196 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: plants from the CIA or some other intelligence agency. I 197 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: can't imagine being in that position finding someone from an 198 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: NGO who's doing something extremely suspicious and they go, oh man, okay, uh, 199 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: this could be a CIA agent. Uh gotta handle this carefully. Yeah, 200 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: oh man, I see, Yeah, that's a really weird phone 201 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: call to get to and then they call the They 202 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: call the CIA. The guy goes, oh, what really, and 203 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: he hangs up. He says thank you, He hangs up 204 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: the phone, he lets out alongside, he picks it up, 205 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: dials the number and says Craig beautiful. As far as 206 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: we know, ladies and gentlemen, that did not actually happen. 207 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: But what does happen on a regular basis is that 208 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: foreign intelligence assets are also put in State Department in busses. Right. 209 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: We also know that there's very compelling evidence of c I, 210 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: A and FBI front companies and or dummy organizations, which 211 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: you and I covered in some our Gary web stuff. Right. 212 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: So these we airline companies with names that are just 213 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: so vague and boring, like Premier Executive Transportation Services. I 214 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: fell asleep just reading that out loud, uh, and intermountin aviation. 215 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: We also know that financial organizations also operate in foreign countries, 216 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: you know, a shell company for the purpose of funneling money. 217 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: So what does this all tell us? Well, to me, 218 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: it says that our initial question at the top perhaps 219 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: isn't all that crazy. Maybe a government agency or a 220 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: project really could involve some kind of front cult or 221 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: a dummy cult. Okay, So then let's go over some 222 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: of the illegal things, straight up illegal that the c 223 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: I A, n FBI, and or FBI have done proven. Yes, 224 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: oh okay, all right, um, let's see where to start. 225 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: There's a good one that I can think of. Okay, 226 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: hit me with your best shot. Almost started singing, MK ultra. 227 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: That's nothing to sing about, mk ultra. We've also done 228 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: some videos on that. Mk ultra, as you know, is 229 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: a blanket term for a series of related experiments which 230 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: involved everything from trying to create a real life Manchurian 231 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: candidate that would be brainwashed assassin on command two, uh, 232 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: seeing if LSD was a truth serum, and just looking 233 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: at how humans interact when they're on hallucinogens that way. 234 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: And I still think that one guy was assassinated. I 235 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: don't think Yeah, I don't think he just did acid 236 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: and jumped out of a window. Yeah. Again, that's my 237 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: personal opinion, folks. That is not that is not in 238 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: any way proven the official stories that he committed suicide. Yeah, 239 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: and he wouldn't. He wouldn't be the first or last 240 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: person to jump from a high building on some kind 241 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: of you know drug however, uh idee a lot of 242 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: force to propel yourself through glass. That's right, all right, Well, okay, 243 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: what uh what about the Tuskegee experiment right where a 244 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: group of people, I forget what state it was in, 245 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: but they were not given they were okay, they had syphilis, 246 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: but they were not treated, uh, to cure the syphilis. 247 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: They were just studied, right and given placebo medications. Uh. 248 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: These were African American men in a tremendously racist time 249 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: in the US past. I know a few of our 250 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: listeners will say, well, it's tremendously racist today, but uh, 251 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: that was very very openly institutionalized racism to the point 252 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: where it made it okay from a governmental standpoint to 253 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: experiment on these black men. And uh. While the us 254 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: IS official position is that the U S admits this 255 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: incident occurred over a very long period of time, but 256 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: they say that these guys started out with syphilis and 257 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: simply were not treated. However, other people, anecdotal reports of 258 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: people who were involved at the time, say that they 259 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: were given syphilis. Right. But we did we did a 260 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: correction when we first did that episode, and we came 261 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: back and we said, um, that according to the official 262 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: government standpoint, which I think is how we phrased it. Uh, 263 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: these people were not given syphilis. They had it already 264 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: and they were not treated, which is just as insidious 265 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: and unethical in my opinion. Wow. Oh yeah. And then 266 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: there's domestic chemical exposures. Speaking of that, that's proven as well, 267 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: so government agencies. We just go to the rooftops of 268 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: some poor neighborhoods and they did this more than once. 269 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: And uh, and chemicals, you know, to see what happened 270 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: to stimulate a widespread chemical exposure. Yeah, and just you know, 271 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: go to the local hospital and find out, well, who 272 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: came in with what, how many how did it manifest? Man? 273 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, excuse me, listeners, I'm meant to say simulate, 274 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: not stimulate. I believe I misspoke there. Um. And of 275 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 1: course we know that warrantless snooping hand or surveillance is 276 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: I would say de facto illegal, but other people would 277 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: say it's the fact illegal, being that some of the 278 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: interpretations of the law remains secret because of national security. 279 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: Oh man, please don't be drunk right now. Yeah. Uh. 280 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: And then of course how could we go without mentioning, 281 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: uh side ops such as impersonating someone's identity, anonymous harassment, 282 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: smear campaigns, and all that other stuff. This would be 283 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: stuff like you mentioned earlier, Matt. What would they do 284 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: with Martin Luther King's mail? Oh, well, all kinds of 285 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: one things with his mail. Um, they would intercept the mail, 286 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: check it out, see what's in there, if there's anything juicy, 287 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: make copies of things, then put it back in the mail. 288 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: They would send him threats and things like that in 289 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: the mail. Um, they'd impersonate people. That's what it is. 290 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: They would impersonate, like let's say a letter from one 291 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: of his close contacts that was just seething and mad 292 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: at him or um. I think there was one instance 293 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: where they tried to initiate some kind of affair. Oh yeah, 294 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: I had heard. I have heard that story, but I 295 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: haven't looked it up myself. I don't mean to give 296 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: out false information. I hope I am not, but it's 297 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: in my in the back of my head somewhere. Well, 298 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: we do know the am okay did have affairs, sure, 299 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: so it's not out of the realm of possibility. Unfortunately. 300 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: Uh what speaking of the mail, it's time for a 301 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: break and we'll be back after we're from a sponsored 302 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: and we're back so so far. For a quick recap, 303 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: we have looked at We've looked at illegal things the 304 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: government agencies have done in the past. We have looked 305 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: at things that they're monitoring activities, We've looked at infiltration activities. 306 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: And now it's time to get to the real Here's 307 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy part. Did a government agency ever 308 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: run occult? So here are some of the alleged examples been. 309 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: The first one is Jonestown. Now some people believe that 310 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: Jim Jones will We know that Jim Jones was running 311 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: a cult, the People's Temple, the People's Temple that moved 312 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: from several places. I can't remember the initial starting place, 313 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: but I know it moved to California, then to Guiana. 314 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: And the theory is that he was running a psychological 315 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: experiment of mind control on these people on behalf of 316 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: the CIA, or at least possibly related somehow to the CIA. 317 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: I see, and that that's an interesting idea which we 318 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: do explore in that video you mentioned earlier. Because the 319 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: People's Temple at the time was a bit unusual in 320 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: that it actively encouraged acceptance of all creeds and it 321 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: was a little bit left leaning, which would be otherwise 322 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that the US government would have 323 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: closely monitored at that time for possible descent or a 324 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: threat to national security. Well, it's strange to me that 325 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: that it would still be. I guess the reason why 326 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: it was under CIA, or why it's thought to be 327 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: under CIA, is because they moved outside of the country 328 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: to Guiana, which was a country in the U S 329 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: sphere of influence, but I guess not officially inside the US, 330 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: so it wouldn't be FBI, right, Yeah, But also you know, 331 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: in the evolution of occult, they may have just moved 332 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: to a more isolated place to further cement the leader's 333 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: grip on people. They had guards, armed guards, increasingly militarized. Uh, 334 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: there were people who wanted to escape. There are some 335 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: huge unanswered questions to this day, which you and I 336 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: deal with in the videos, about how stuff went down, 337 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: how the congressman was killed, how the people were killed, 338 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: who committed suicide, reports of additional people or assets, even 339 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: working to UH sanitize the operation and then later painting 340 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: it as a suicide when it may have been instead, 341 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: as as the theorist would advance a assacre, uh, of 342 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: a psychop gone wrong psy op. Rather, I think I 343 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: think that's fascinating. At this point, the evidence that you 344 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: and I could find in there, while tantalizing, was far 345 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: from certain. Sure. And but there wasn't a CIA agent 346 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: who was working with Leo or was it is his 347 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: name Leo Ryan, the congressman. Congressman Leo Ryan. And then 348 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: there is Dwire And you can hear on the recording 349 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: right that Jim Jones are out of here, get Wire 350 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: out of here. Yeah, that is true. Um, but at 351 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: this point that while that is one of the most 352 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: popular theories for an intelligence agut running occult, it is 353 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: ultimately at this point it doesn't have solid proof yet. 354 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: It just has troubling unanswered questions. Um. Can I tell 355 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: you about one of my favorites. Oh, I love this one. 356 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: All right. Uh, this is the idea that scientology and 357 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: we're not calling scientology occult, so lawyers, please don't get mad. 358 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: This is a theory that Matt and I did not 359 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: make up, that the Church of Scientology is somehow run 360 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: by an intelligence agency. And this is this is actually 361 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: a theory that is kind of more well known in 362 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: the x scientologist community than it is in the mainstream. Uh, 363 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: never been a scientologist part of the world. Uh. And 364 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: the the idea here is that the current head of Scientology, 365 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: David Miskevige, is working for the FBI or the CIA, 366 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: that he is an asset. And you'll see ex scientologists 367 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: who say that they left the organization because Miskevige somehow 368 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: changed it. And um, you and I of course are 369 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: not scientologist, nor have we ever been. We have read 370 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: about scientology, but we've also always read about it from 371 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: the outside end. Sure, Uh, a little background. You hooked 372 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: us up with an excellent book that you lent to 373 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: me earlier, right, yes, going clear, and I already forgot 374 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: the author. But it's fantastic. It looks at it from 375 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: an investigative reporter angle. Um, on all these different angles 376 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: and the uh, the author allowed Scientology to go in 377 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: and make footnotes and comment on the entire book. Right. Yeah. 378 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: The book itself is on the up and up. It's 379 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: a great piece of journalism. It does not address this theory. 380 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: It's more about the evolution of society, but it does 381 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: show the change of the church in Scientology. When David 382 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: Miskevige took over. Right. Yeah, it just makes no claims 383 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: about this being anything other than a change in leadership. Right. 384 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: So it's it's a popular theory in a in a 385 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: small segment of the global population, but it's it's a 386 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: fascinating one, especially when we consider that the Church of 387 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: Scientology in the United States government had historically uh adversarial relationships. Yes, 388 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: again detailed in that book quite beautifully. You can also 389 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: check out our video operations snow White. We've got got 390 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: one other. Of course, we've got to save this guy, 391 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: good old Charlie Manson. Yep, maybe nothing good about him, 392 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: but he is certainly old. The idea is that Manson 393 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: was groomed by aspects are assets of the CIA to 394 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: perform mind control experiments in the field. Yes, that would 395 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: be a good place to do some and of course 396 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: in this point, at this point, apparently uh, Matt and 397 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: I believe that these the c i A scientists are 398 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: evil Germans. Yeah. I didn't want to do a uncent. 399 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, that would probably that would probably 400 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: get us in some hot water. But we'll see what 401 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: We'll see what comes out of our cartoonish Indiana Jones 402 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: German accents. The the The idea here though, is fascinating 403 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: because this is one of those strings that when you 404 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: pull it unravels more and more and more stuff. So 405 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: we know that Charles Manson had some uh encounters with dianetics, 406 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: which was a precursor to scientology, during some of his 407 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: time in prison and during some of his time in 408 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: the hippie counter culture, when he also encountered a group 409 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: called uh was it's is it four pie? Or pie? 410 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: Is the alleged Ah, yeah, it's Pie not P two. 411 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: That's there, Okay, yes, yes, that's the one that David 412 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: Berkowitz talked about the Son of Sam killer and then 413 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: got his throat cut in prison. Everything used to speak again, right, 414 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: and there's uh, there's some I you know, I hate 415 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: to say it. I hate to say it, but there 416 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: is some really compelling evidence that the Son of Sam 417 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: did not act alone. Matt, that detective never gave up. 418 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: I think he's right. And uh, this this argument here, uh, 419 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: this goes into the idea that there was we first 420 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: found out about it with Son of Sam and Charles Manson, 421 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: but it ultimately expands into this idea that there is 422 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: some sort of serial killer cult or some sort of 423 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: um tacit agreement to turn a blind eye to certain 424 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: unethical experiments or criminal homicidal behavior. Now, of course, in 425 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: most cases, logically, it doesn't make sense to think that 426 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: so many people could keep that kind of secret, you 427 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean, That's a one ordinary claim. Yeah, 428 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: but fascinating. But Ben, is this conspiracy theory or is 429 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: it conspiracy fact? Ah? Yes? Okay, Well here's the thing. 430 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: It's unlikely that and eligence group, at least ones we're 431 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: talking about again in the United States, would manufacture an 432 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: entire cult. Yeah, I'm trying to come up with any 433 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: idea of why you would manufacture an entire cult. To 434 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: what end would you do this? I'm I'm honestly not 435 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: sure unless you you know, unless you wanted a whole 436 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: colony of mansuring in candidates you just keep in tiny, 437 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: darkened rooms. But you know which I could understand. But 438 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: it would be so much easier to uh influence an 439 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: infiltrated cult than it would be you know what I mean. Right, 440 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: It's it's a lot more plausible that that would happen 441 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: because you again, if we take the standpoint of one 442 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: of these groups c I, R FBI infiltrating them and 443 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: keeping tabs on them. That makes perfect sense to me. UM, 444 00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: controlling one ah, rising up the ranks and then controlling one, Now, 445 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: that's interesting. That's the angle that you and I would take. Yeah, uh, 446 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: not that we have considered that, but but we hope 447 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: that you guys have enjoyed this episode, and we hope 448 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: that we have provided uh enough fascinating things to to 449 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: get you going in different directions. And we want to 450 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: hear back from you when you come out of the 451 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: rabbit hole, especially Matt. I'd like to hear about this 452 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,479 Speaker 1: sort of idea in other cultures and countries, like we 453 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: know that China has an adversarial relationship with the Fallongong culture, 454 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: which I'm probably mispronouncing. We know that UM, the church 455 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: and the state in many cases often clash and in 456 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: some cases they start to become synchronous. UM. We also 457 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: know that UM some quasi religious groups have been involved 458 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: heavily in government, like P two, which we earlier UM 459 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: I mentioned it in the wrong spot, but P two 460 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: in Italy deserves a mention right, which would be a 461 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: Freemason associated group, associated lodge that has a lot of things, 462 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: had a lot of fingers and a lot of Italian pies. 463 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: I guess they were running you know, they had an 464 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: undue influence, is what I'm saying. 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