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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkam. I'm a mother of four,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On

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Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our

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Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun. From figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and fourteen. Today,

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Speaker 1: Sarah and I are going to be interviewing Cassie Joy Garcia,

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Speaker 1: who is the brains behind the Fed and Fit blog

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Speaker 1: and also the author of a new cookbook called Cook Once,

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Speaker 1: Eat All Week, which, as we all know, is sort

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Speaker 1: of the goal in cooking is to spend less time

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Speaker 1: on it and still have fresh, healthy dinners. So I

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Speaker 1: know a lot of our listeners are going to be

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Speaker 1: very excited to listen to her story building her business,

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Speaker 1: building this brand, solving problems for busy parents, and how

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Speaker 1: she runs a business as the mom of a toddler.

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Speaker 1: There may also be a little bit about what she

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Speaker 1: feeds the toddler. We were pretty impressed by better than

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Speaker 1: what I feed my kids. But so, yeah, what are

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Speaker 1: you eating these days, Sarah? Yeah, so I thought it

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Speaker 1: would be fun to kick off with Well, you guys,

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Speaker 1: you know we we we outsource these food episodes because

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Speaker 1: Laura and I vote do a lot of outsourcing of

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Speaker 1: our own meals at home, and we know that you

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Speaker 1: all are looking for information if you're more doing it

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Speaker 1: be fun to kind of share what we're doing currently,

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Speaker 1: and I wrote down what we ate last week so

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Speaker 1: that you could get kind of a real flavor. Pardon

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Speaker 1: the double on tong, sorry. So, our nanny still does

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Speaker 1: the shopping ninety percent of the time. Sometimes we'll pick

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Speaker 1: We tend to shop at both Whole Foods and Public's

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Speaker 1: on a weekend. I will say since Genevieve was born.

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Speaker 1: That's happened less and less I miss it. Unlike Laura,

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Speaker 1: I actually really do enjoy cooking. I used to really

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Speaker 1: on music. Now i'd probably be putting on a podcast

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Speaker 1: we ate salmon, sweet potatoes and green beans, which is

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Speaker 1: Tuesday we had salmon. Our nanny cooked a big piece

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Speaker 1: feedback we got was by the time when rolls around,

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Speaker 1: they're sick of it. There's a stick of their food,

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Speaker 1: they're sick of just reheating, and they're ready to order

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Speaker 1: take out pizza anyways, And so that was one of

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Speaker 1: the riddles on the table. Also family friendly and versatile

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Speaker 1: depending on dietary needs. And so we have all of

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Speaker 1: these little parts and pieces, and I thought, there's got

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Speaker 1: to be a way, there's got to be a way

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Speaker 1: we can make all of this work. And so that's

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Speaker 1: that's really how we honed the concept. So we do

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Speaker 1: we take we focus on a protein, a vegetable, and

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Speaker 1: in most cases of starch, sometimes it's a second vegetable.

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Speaker 1: So three components, and your prep day is then cooking

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Speaker 1: those components. So if it's chicken, sweet potato, and broccoli,

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Speaker 1: then you would roast the chicken or birotissory if you're

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Speaker 1: in a pinch, if you would cook the chicken and

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Speaker 1: then deconstruct it. You would bake the sweet potatoes, all

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Speaker 1: of them. Get a whole bag of sweet potatoes. Just

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Speaker 1: go ahead and bake the whole thing. And then the broccoli.

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Speaker 1: Let's say we're gonna steam half of it and the

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Speaker 1: other half we're gonna roast. Okay, so it gives you

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Speaker 1: two different treatments, and that chicken. I'm going to walk

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Speaker 1: you through how to shred the breasts, but keep the

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Speaker 1: legs and the thighs and the wings intact because we're

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Speaker 1: going to turn that into something different. So and then

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Speaker 1: maybe also on prepday, you whip up a couple sauces,

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Speaker 1: but that's it. So we're aiming for an hour, hour

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Speaker 1: and a half max. Then when it comes time, you're ready.

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Speaker 1: Monday night, everyone's home from school, you get home from work,

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Speaker 1: and you want to spend that time with your family

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Speaker 1: or doing whatever it is you want to do. You

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Speaker 1: can spend ten to fifteen minutes. Then assembling these components.

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Speaker 1: Let's say it's into a buffalo chicken casserole. The baked

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Speaker 1: potatoes go on the bottom, the shred of chicken on

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Speaker 1: the top, some broccoli sprinkled in there for nutrition, and

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Speaker 1: then we put one of the sauces you made a

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Speaker 1: buffalo sauce, and then bake it and the oven cooks it.

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Speaker 1: But it's like a fresh meal, it's not a leftover.

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Speaker 1: It's enough to feed. But the way we've written it

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Speaker 1: is for a family of four. And when I wrote

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Speaker 1: these portions was I thought four husbands just to make

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Speaker 1: sure that nobody went hungry. So if you have, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I think my husband eats quite quite

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Speaker 1: a lot, so that informs some of the large serving sizes,

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Speaker 1: so that could be enough for dinner and lunch the

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Speaker 1: next day if you want. And then you get to

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Speaker 1: do that two more times, and they're totally different meals.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's a taraiaki chicken bowl one of them, so

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Speaker 1: it's a very different meal. And the last one maybe

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Speaker 1: is some sort of a Greek sheep pan dinner. So

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Speaker 1: hopefully you're not bored. It doesn't feel like leftovers, but

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Speaker 1: it's easy and quick to assemble. I think that's so

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Speaker 1: cool because I mean, the freezer meals were definitely are

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Speaker 1: definitely a big trend as well, and people love that.

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Speaker 1: But like Laura has pointed out that, you know, it

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Speaker 1: can take a really long time to thought out a

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Speaker 1: freezer meal, so sometimes it doesn't save you as much time,

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Speaker 1: whereas if you've prepped stuff, whipping it together theoretically could

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Speaker 1: be faster and have more of a fresh taste to

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Speaker 1: it than something that's been sitting in the freezer. Nothing

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Speaker 1: against freezer, but yeah, no, but I mean we've definitely

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Speaker 1: investigated this, and you know there's ones we've looked at

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Speaker 1: of like, you know, you can cook one day and

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Speaker 1: eat all months, and I'm like, well, okay, by the

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Speaker 1: last time you're pulling out that chicken casserole from the freezer,

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Speaker 1: you may be wishing to move on from the chicken castle.

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Speaker 1: But just to give our listeners an idea, you know,

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Speaker 1: Cassie was mentioning some of this, like you shred a chicken,

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Speaker 1: like she's got three recipes here in a row from

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Speaker 1: it that you'd make barbecue chicken and rice casserole, white

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Speaker 1: chicken chili, and then chicken and broccoli fried rice. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so you have basically like three different kind of ethnic

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Speaker 1: profile flavors even in a row. It's not the same

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Speaker 1: meal at all, which I think and I can honestly

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Speaker 1: say though sound pretty kid friendly, like your kids are

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Speaker 1: pickier than mine, Laura, but my probably eat all of those, yeah,

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Speaker 1: or even just thinking about something like ground beef for

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Speaker 1: ground port. You know, these things can be assembled as

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Speaker 1: components with sauces in a lot of different ways, so

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of cool variety and it's different. Cassie,

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Speaker 1: I feel like you came up with like I haven't.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen something like this really, so you should

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Speaker 1: feel proud. I am proud, you know. After I wrote

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Speaker 1: Fed and Fit, I felt like I left everything on

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Speaker 1: the table. It's like I said it all. I don't

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Speaker 1: ever I have to write another book. You can write

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Speaker 1: another book of the same sort of thing, because I

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Speaker 1: can tell you people will keep coming back to this topic.

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Speaker 1: I think we've talked about meals a number of times

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Speaker 1: on this podcast, and get we get in trouble because

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Speaker 1: neither Laura nor I really do our own cooking. So

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Speaker 1: we need people like you to come on and explain

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Speaker 1: that there are strategies that can work for very busy

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Speaker 1: families in addition to outsourcing, which can also be great.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I'm all about it, you know. And that's

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Speaker 1: why it came down to you. I thought this is

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Speaker 1: something that I think the word they need, the world needs,

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. I signed the book contract two days

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Speaker 1: before my daughter was born. Well, she was two weeks

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Speaker 1: past her due day, and I was bored. Yeah, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go make a book contract. Why not'll

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Speaker 1: that's why I'll fill my time. This makes sense. It

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Speaker 1: was meant to be that's why she waited so long exactly.

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Speaker 1: So I'm really really glad we did it though, and

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Speaker 1: definitely have plans to expand it. Yeah, okay, I have

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Speaker 1: two more questions for you. One is, do you have

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Speaker 1: a favorite week, a favorite ingredient combo that you can

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Speaker 1: share from your cookbook. I will throw out that I

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Speaker 1: saw a recipe on your insta for Hawaiian instant pot chicken,

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Speaker 1: was like, Oh, my kids would be all over that.

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Speaker 1: But I was curious if you had like a favorite

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Speaker 1: that you liked to showcase. Oh I'm so excited. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what week number it is off the

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Speaker 1: top of my head, but the ingredients are it's a

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Speaker 1: beef roast and kale and polina. There's a polento week

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Speaker 1: in there, and now that we're coming, we're almost peaking

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Speaker 1: in the fall, it's almost the right time for it.

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Speaker 1: But there's this like rustic beef polenta castle role in

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Speaker 1: there with caramelized onions and a balsamic reduction. And there's

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Speaker 1: another one that's these stuffed poblano peppers with barbacoa flavoring

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Speaker 1: on that seasoned beef. That is so good, you guys.

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Speaker 1: That does sound perfect for fall We're going to hit

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Speaker 1: Fallen in South Florida in about November, but for those

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Speaker 1: of you further north, December, possibly December. And that sounds amazing, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: totally cool. Okay, So our last thing is that second

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Speaker 1: to last thing. Maybe we would love to hear a

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Speaker 1: day in the life of Cassie. Now, I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: have a lot of variability to your days given what

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Speaker 1: you do, but you are someone who has really built

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Speaker 1: a company, and you do have a toddler at home,

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Speaker 1: and everyone's always curious to how those pieces are put together.

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Speaker 1: So we would love you to go through a typical

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Speaker 1: day in the life. So it is, man, I wish

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Speaker 1: it was, I wish it were Rinse and repeat an

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Speaker 1: ideal day. I'll start there is wake up before my

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Speaker 1: daughter wakes up, Right, isn't that always the goal? Yes,

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Speaker 1: wake up at least an hour before, have coffee, hammer

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Speaker 1: out a few emails, and then when Gray wakes up,

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Speaker 1: we cook breakfast together and our whole family goes on

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Speaker 1: a walk. We have a great Pyrenees named Gus who's

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Speaker 1: very red. His schedule must be abided by and so

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Speaker 1: we all go for a nice long walk as a family.

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Speaker 1: In chit chat about our day, which is something awesome

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Speaker 1: and I've been doing since we've been since we dated.

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Speaker 1: And then I will well, Grayson just started school air

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Speaker 1: quote school right for a one and a half year old,

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Speaker 1: and so she'll go to school now for the first

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Speaker 1: half of the day, and then we'll pick her up

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Speaker 1: and bring her home for a nap. But she goes

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Speaker 1: and she plays with other kids and learns some fun

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Speaker 1: songs and things, and then I work in the morning,

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Speaker 1: and then as soon as she wakes up from her nap,

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Speaker 1: I'm off the clock. And that was really hard for

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Speaker 1: me because I don't know if I'll dug into any

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Speaker 1: of the Enneagram stuff ever, but I'm an Enneagram three,

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Speaker 1: which means I'm essentially addicted to constantly doing things. It's

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Speaker 1: very easy for me. So I have to time block

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Speaker 1: and Mommy starts exactly when she wakes up from her nap,

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Speaker 1: and that's a firm i'll get back to you tomorrow

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Speaker 1: kind of way that we have to do it. And

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Speaker 1: then I'm just with her all afternoon. We'll go to

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Speaker 1: splash parks in the summertime and go run errands, and

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Speaker 1: then we do dinner together. That sounds like you made

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Speaker 1: it work, and I guess it's because you've built so

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Speaker 1: much kind of ahead of time that you're now able

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Speaker 1: to have enough of things going. So your worktime's a

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Speaker 1: little bit truncated, but you probably get a good four

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Speaker 1: or five hours in there and then maybe one to

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Speaker 1: two more during the nap, so you're able to kind

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Speaker 1: of keep things going. Yes, exactly, I would say right now,

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Speaker 1: when Gray is at this stage, I'm probably putting in

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Speaker 1: a computer time with my computer open, maybe twenty five

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Speaker 1: ish hours a week. And then, as y'all know, you're

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Speaker 1: also working whenever you're on your phone, answering emails and

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Speaker 1: firing off messages to team members, and so it definitely

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Speaker 1: rounds out to a good full time effort that I

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Speaker 1: do in the margins. Yeah, and I have a question

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Speaker 1: about you building it as a business. So you mentioned

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Speaker 1: that you had learned to delegate more, which is great.

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Speaker 1: That's an awesome skill for business owners to develop. I'm

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Speaker 1: very curious how you scaled that up. What were the

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Speaker 1: first things that you started delegating As you realize, okay,

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Speaker 1: fed and fit is not just me anymore, it's got

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Speaker 1: to be bigger. What were the first things that you

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Speaker 1: decided to send out the easiest ones. I went with

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Speaker 1: the easy one easy ones first. So I'm not a

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Speaker 1: gifted baker. I am. I can cook anything savory all

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Speaker 1: day long, but dealing with chemistry and coming developing baking

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Speaker 1: recipes is a challenge for me. I remember, I put

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Speaker 1: together this perfect paleo pie cress is what I called it,

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Speaker 1: because it took me twelve iterations. Just I'm a slow learner.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of pie. There's a lot of probably

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Speaker 1: a lot of bad pie the first few times, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is nothing to be jealous of. It was a

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Speaker 1: lot of bad pie. So I delegated developing some of

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Speaker 1: those more persnickety recipes to folks. One team member in particular,

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Speaker 1: her name is Amber, who's very gifted at that, and

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Speaker 1: so it was a really obvious one. And then as

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Speaker 1: time went on, realizing the team's skill sets and what

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Speaker 1: everybody could really contribute and really enjoyed just happened to

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Speaker 1: really compliment what I wasn't good at and didn't enjoy.

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Speaker 1: And so that's how we started. And then just developing

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Speaker 1: programs and ideas. I want to offer a lot of

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Speaker 1: autonomy to my team, members and help so that they

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Speaker 1: feel real ownership. So they have an idea for a

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Speaker 1: free e course, go for it, go develop it, do

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Speaker 1: the research. We'll work on it together and then we'll

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Speaker 1: plug it into the content calendar. So just slowly and

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Speaker 1: surely through that kind of effort. Cool. Well, we always do, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: Shall we do our love of the week? Yes, we

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Speaker 1: always end with this, and it can be anything. It

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Speaker 1: can be a food item, it can be a concept,

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00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: it can be a weather pattern, or it can be

641
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: some specific product. Would you like me to start? Yeah,

642
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: why don't you start, Sarah? I actually changed it so

643
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: with me change. It was going to be sheet masks,

644
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: but and then I decided that they were making my

645
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: face too cold. So I will share another beauty product.

646
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: This is called Kosa Sport and it is a clean

647
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: beauty line and they like it's from Sephora, but my

648
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: friend Amy gave it to me and they make these

649
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: really amazing tinted lip bombs. Because I'm not a lipstick person,

650
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: but these just are really kind of subtle colors. And

651
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: this one's called Pulse and I really like it. So

652
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: that's my lovel Yeah, So my love of the week

653
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: is my cross pen, and I think someone must have

654
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: given it to me because I never would have bought

655
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: it on my own, so it must have been given

656
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: as a gift, like speaker swag type stuff. But it's

657
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: really nice. Like I had been using those ink Joy

658
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: paper mate which are also very good. This kind you

659
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: can just get a target, but this is a step up.

660
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: I've apparently now upgraded my pen experience entirely, which could

661
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: be the start of a rather expensive habit life. It's

662
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: too short for bad pens. I guess life is too short,

663
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: so I need to sort of savor this pen experience.

664
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I got to say that I hide this one,

665
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: that I'm not letting anyone take this one off my desk.

666
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: So I'm enjoying my cross pen. Cassie, how about you? Okay,

667
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm so glad y'all went first because I was noodling

668
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: while you were talking. I can, I say an audiobook? Yeah,

669
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: of course, of course, So yeah, I and I am

670
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 1: a voracious audio book listener, and the one I'm on

671
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: right now is so what I needed. It's called Radical

672
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: Candor by Kim Scott. Have y'all read it by chance?

673
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: I've heard of it? Okay, so it is. It's it's

674
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: like medicine that I need. It's not going down very easy,

675
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: but it's really good information for me, especially if you're working,

676
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: if you work with people in a professional setting that

677
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: you just want to figure out how can I how

678
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: can I really tell them? How can I say the unsaid?

679
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: And or even if it's just friends, or if your

680
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: book you're working on building a team, or heck, if

681
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: you have any sort of a public facing business, you know,

682
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: like how do I communicate to my clients and my

683
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: readers and my customers. I think it's a really great download.

684
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: It's an actual book if you like to read real

685
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: books too, But I'm a I like I prefer the

686
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: audiobook versions. And when do you listen to audiobooks? So

687
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: do you have a lot of time in the car? No?

688
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: I listen to them. Well, I listened to them whenever

689
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm house cleaning house, so sometimes that overlaps when my

690
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: daughter naps. I'll listen to them when I'm folding laundry

691
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: and gosh one else. And then when I'm driving in

692
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: the car commuting to places, if I'm headed to go

693
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: meet a team member for a coffee or something like that,

694
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: it's my audio book Time great way, is that time

695
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: what we love? Well, Cassie, Yeah, yeah, Cassie, thank you

696
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. And again everyone can check

697
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: out her book Cook once, Eat all week, and you

698
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: really will cook once and eat all week in a

699
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: way that's very efficient. You're still getting fresh meals, so

700
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: we really appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much

701
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: for having me. Well, that was an awesome interview. And

702
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: now we come to the question section, which Sarah labeled

703
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: this one as juicy. So I guess that's our transition

704
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: from food because this is not food related at all,

705
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: all right, she said. This listener writes in that after

706
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: seeing it mentioned on your blog, I started listening to

707
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: the Marriage, Kids, and Money podcast. A recent guest who

708
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: was a fire or enthusiasts that remember that means financial

709
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: independence retire early described his family as fifty percent savings rate. Now, Sarah,

710
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: I know your goal is to make smart money decisions

711
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: and not explicitly aim for fire, but and I'm making

712
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: an assumption here, presuming you don't save at an ultra

713
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: high rate with super low spending, how do you avoid

714
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: feeling guilty or less than for the choices you make

715
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: is part of it a numbers game. So for instance,

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00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: if you're a fire family taking home eighty k annually

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00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: and saving forty K, and I'm a dual career couple

718
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: making two hundred k annually and saving forty k, our

719
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 1: savings rates look a lot different, but our actual money

720
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: in the bank is the same. My family, as much

721
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: I seem like yours is. My husband and I both work.

722
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: We are in a very comfortable living but spend a

723
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: lot on childcare and a not insignificant amount on conveniences.

724
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: And without the childcare and other conveniences, we wouldn't be

725
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: able to have the higher ending careers that we do.

726
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: Perhaps the lesson here is you do you? But people

727
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: are so reticent to talk about money in any way

728
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: that vague generalities she's saying don't work. It seems so

729
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 1: unsavory to acknowledge that one both earns and spends substantial sums.

730
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: I feel very unmoored from the conventional conversation. So how

731
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: do you wrap your head around the unique financial situation

732
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: you are in? Although thinking about it's probably not that unique.

733
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Speaker 1: I mean, there are lots of people that are probably

734
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: in a similar conversation, and I will go ahead, and

735
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: she said it's unsavory to acknowledge that one and earns

736
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: and spends substantial sums. You know, we earn and spend

737
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: substantial sums. There you go. And I'm not going to

738
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: give very very specific numbers, but I feel comfortable sharing some.

739
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: So I wrote her back, and I'm going to kind

740
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: of read my response because I think I said it

741
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: more eloquently than I'm going to prattle on right now.

742
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: So I wrote, I guess I don't feel terribly guilty

743
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: because I don't see fire as dogma, just a collection

744
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: of ideas. I know that we are in a very

745
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: expensive period of life right now, especially as it relates

746
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: to childcare, and I accept that, and I try to

747
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 1: mitigate that to some extent by living below our means.

748
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: In other ways, we were saving a close to the

749
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty percent mark, but are currently around ten percent. Yes,

750
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: our financial expert would not approve. That is mostly due

751
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: to our house issue, because we are sort of bleeding

752
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: into the one we are still trying to sell in

753
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: a market that's not fantastic. I hope that someone buys

754
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: it by the time this airs. It really is a

755
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: lovely house. And a wonderful place to live, and I

756
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: think whoever buys it will be happy. But it is

757
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: still on the market, so anyway, I'll feel more comfortable

758
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: once we're back up to around twenty percent, which is

759
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: our goal. Looking at what we spend, I just guess

760
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: I don't think we need huge amounts of money in

761
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: retirement in terms of like the amount that is outflowing now,

762
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: because more than half of our money inflow goes directly

763
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: to child related cost and by retirement, I don't think

764
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: that will be the case. I'm not counting college since

765
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: we have separate savings for that, and again, so I

766
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: know nobody likes to give out numbers, but those are

767
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: kind of the ones we have right now. It is

768
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: a lot in and a lot out, but it is

769
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: a reasonable amount saved too, and we're all happy, eating

770
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: good food, taking some nice vacations, and enjoying life. And

771
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: I will add that our now did take the kids

772
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: while we were on call this past weekend, and I

773
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: said to Josh, like, oh, you know what, like when

774
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: your kids are out of the house, work might be

775
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, less stressful in a way than it

776
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: even is now. Like maybe I'll even want to work more.

777
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, you don't know what your health

778
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: is going to do and what your you know, maybe

779
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: your efficiency is going to go down as those gen

780
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: Z kids, you know, get so fast with technology, and

781
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: maybe I won't be able to keep up. I don't know.

782
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: But the idea that like, let's say all my kids

783
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: are adults and then I'm just working like nine ten hours,

784
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: even like that's so much free time, like more than

785
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: I can even imagine right now, free time to maybe

786
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: outsource less things, and free time to you know, enjoy life.

787
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: So I guess I'm really not aiming for fire, and

788
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: I think that's okay. But I still find those ideas

789
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: really interesting and valuable, Like it's just a different perspective

790
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: of looking at the world, just like I still think

791
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: sometimes it's interesting to read about people who are vegan

792
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: or paleo, even though I don't do those things either. Yeah,

793
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: I mean all that, I'd add to that because I

794
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: agree entirely. It's what Sarah said. You know, if you're

795
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: saving fifteen twenty percent of your income, that's great, and

796
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: most people don't hit that, and certainly if you're saving

797
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: percent of a larger income that's going to be a

798
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: pretty high amount, and as your expenses will probably go

799
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: down over time, there may be other sources of income

800
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: as well over the years, whether that's pensions or employer

801
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: contributions or social security if that's around. I mean, but

802
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's stuff that's there. I have a funny

803
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: thought about I've been somewhat obsessed with the fire people too,

804
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: just because it's like, you know, it's so interesting a

805
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: community that it really gets into this. But I find

806
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: there's so funny definition. So I've been listening to the

807
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: How to Money podcast. I know Sarah listens to that too.

808
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: They had a lady on as a guest who had

809
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: just written a book about growing up in rural China.

810
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm very little and now she's a millionaire in Canada,

811
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: and that's awesome, traveling the world, lovely life, great story.

812
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: But she said something really funny about the whole finance

813
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: independence thing. She said, well, you know, you're trying to

814
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: get to this number quickly, and so you're trying to

815
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: earn a lot of money to get there. She's like,

816
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: but you know, if you have a passion project on

817
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: the side that you'd like to do in retirement and

818
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: this brings in some amount of income, Well, this is

819
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: less money that you have to have in your portfolio.

820
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: And she said something like, well, you know, so if

821
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: you have five, you know, five thousand dollars a year

822
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: that you're making on your side passion project, well that's

823
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars less you have

824
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: to have in your portfolio. And I found this so

825
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: hilarious because I'm like, well, what if you're supporting yourself

826
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: already in a job you love, like, then that means

827
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: your portfolio could be zero and you'd be financially independent

828
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: by that definition, which is clearly not the case. But

829
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: so much of the FI movement defines work as something

830
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: you don't want to do, and I fundamentally disagree with that.

831
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: I think that work can be awesome, it can be wonderful,

832
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: it can be a huge source of joy and meaning

833
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: in your life, and so I'm not against financial independence.

834
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: I've definitely prioritized building up savings. You know, I think

835
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: probably we could retire in the next few years if

836
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: we wanted to. We're not going to because we both

837
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: love what we do, so why on earth would we

838
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: do that? So anyway, That's that's my little thought on that.

839
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: I think for many people, aiming to have a couple

840
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: years at least of expenses built up will give you

841
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: a lot of the same mindset of freedom that actually

842
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: having you know, twenty five x expenses in you know,

843
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: treasuries or something ridiculous that is some of the hardcore

844
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: financial independence people believe in. You'll still feel a lot

845
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: of that same level of freedom. Like if I do

846
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: want to try a different job, if I do want

847
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: to start a business, you know, as long as I

848
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: know my family has expenses to live on for a

849
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: couple of years, like, most likely we'll find something else

850
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: in that time, particularly if you have professional skills that

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Speaker 1: are in demand. So that's a good goal to aim for.

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Speaker 1: You know, retiring at age thirty five is up. Well,

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Speaker 1: that ship has sailed. That ship has sailed. Oh my gosh, no.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating. And actually the number of physicians

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Speaker 1: that are into FI has been a very funny and

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Speaker 1: interesting thing to explore. And I guess some part of

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Speaker 1: me is a little sad because I feel like more

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Speaker 1: energy needs to be going into career crafting and fixing

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Speaker 1: these careers rather than figuring out ways for people to

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Speaker 1: end them at age forty two, because that was a

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Speaker 1: lot of specialized training. Now each person is allowed to

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Speaker 1: do whatever the whatever they want, so that I'm not

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Speaker 1: like judging any one person, but it is symptomatic of

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Speaker 1: maybe a problem in the industry and the healthcare system

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Speaker 1: overall that hopefully at some point we'll get addressed before

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Speaker 1: everyone leaves where everyone quits at forty two, because that

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Speaker 1: would be a problem. All right, Well, this has been

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Speaker 1: best of both worlds. We've been interviewing Cassie Joy Garcia

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Speaker 1: and then talking a little bit about financial independence at

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Speaker 1: the end. We'll be back next week with more on

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Speaker 1: making work in life I fit together. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com

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Speaker 1: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can

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Speaker 1: find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has

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Speaker 1: been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us

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