WEBVTT - Conversation About Scotty Pippen 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.400 What's up and welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.520 Sealer's Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:17.079 loaw glasses Malone. So let me start this podcast going 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:21.560 on record. First, first thing being said is I agree 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:25.360 Michael Jordan would have never been a winner without Scottie Pippen. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.280 Never, I'm gonna just start there. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:35.080 I think Scottie Pippen is probably one of the most disrespected, insulted, 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:41.559 degraded greats to ever play basketball. Now the way I 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.400 look at basketball, because it's simple, right, I don't really 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.400 care about the All Star Game. Me and I didn't 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.680 been on houton Bruce with y'all a million times talking 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.680 about basketball. I've talked to y'all over and over again. 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:55.520 I tell you I don't care about the All Star Game. 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.440 That's a popularity contest. The All NBA is the only 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.440 true way to measure great players, because that's gonna tell 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.760 you who is the best player at that position. Right, 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.839 you got an All NBA, you got the All defense. Right, 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.280 All NBA is probably an offensive thing. It's pretty obvious 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:17.839 to see it's an offensive thing. All defensive defense. Those 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.959 are the best players in the NBA. The way I 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.319 just the game is where do the people rank on 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.959 your team. Michael Jordan was the first team All NBA 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:33.240 and All Defense for shooting guards probably for a decade. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:39.080 Probably for a decade. Scottie Pippen was the best all 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:43.240 defensive guy roughly for a decade and within the top three, 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.240 you know, first team, second team or third team All NBA, 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:51.000 right for just about eight nine years, So you had 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.200 the best shooting guard NBA and the best small ford 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:59.800 an NBA. I think he got some real weird takes 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:02.600 of about Michael Jordan, but he also knew Michael Jordan 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:06.320 better than everybody. And it's a whole fucking shit going 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.080 on where it's all slander Scottie Pippen, it's all disrespect 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.040 Scottie Pippen, and it's mostly coming from niggas who never 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.320 really watched basketball at that time. Niggas is just part 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.239 of the culture of the NBA now and they wear 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.840 Jordan's and Jordan Jordan Jordan. They don't know how basketball work. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.400 It's a lot of niggas to me, they even played basketball, 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.799 that don't quite understand how basketball fucking work. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:29.840 So I wanted to do. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.920 A podcast to where we could work through our issues 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.280 with the disrespect for fucking Scottie Pippen. 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.680 I don't know what happened, and when did this happen? 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.600 You know what the fuck happened. He happens, get out 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.400 of here with all of that. I don't nobody feel 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:47.760 sorry for that motherfucker. He been bitter since motherfucking the 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.320 middle of the nineties when he signed that ten year, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.400 thirty three million dollar deal and then he became a 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.000 shot up and became a superstar and wanted to renegotiate. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.440 And Jerry Rhynsdorf, who was the Chicago Bulls, the Cargo 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.320 White Sox owner, has been notorious for not for making 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.480 his players stick to their agreement. He tell them all 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.920 the time, if you sign your agreement, don't expect the 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.000 reup because I'm not gonna give you a reup. He 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.520 even told Scotty Pippen himself, this is a bad deal 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.520 for you. You probably should sign a cheaper deal. Scotty said, no, 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.880 I want to secure my family because he was one 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.680 of like thirteen children, and he said he was broke. 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.120 And then once Mike Profile had hit crazy, Mike started 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.600 making I think what twenty five million a year, which 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.120 was like the most at that point in time in 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.480 the NBA. Then Scotty want to go back to the 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.960 renegotiating table because he's like, oh, I'm worth as much 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.600 as Mike. And that's where it all started back, even 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.560 this bullshit smear campaign he'd been on for the past 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.480 couple of years, it's only because he know he not 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.920 Michael Jordan. And if Michael Jordan's son was fucking my 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.560 ex wife, I wouldn't fuck with him either. I think 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:51.280 that's where it goes from, because if you was Mike 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.640 and you was really my man's ain't no motherfucking way 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.800 your son should be fucking my ex wife. This is 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:00.320 a revenge too. I don't want to hear that ship. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.480 Scotty is a fucking sad individual and I feel sorry 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.040 for him. Honestly, I don't feel any debt of gratitude 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.440 to him other than for the championships, and I feel 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:14.280 sorry for me spent the past. Besides, I don't feel 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:18.440 no fucking you're a champion because of Scottie Pippen. No, 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:23.000 that's a motherfucking lie. You need to stop. How many 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:28.360 championships he got without us, Nigga. 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.120 How many championships I know I have without Scotty. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.719 How many does he have without the Chicago Bulls organization. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.200 You're not a part of the organization. Just listening. When I. 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.159 Asked you, you asked me a question. Answer my question. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.040 He would have zero, We would have zero, and he 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:43.760 would have zero. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:48.080 So again, right, so again, it's not now. Now, let's 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:49.520 let's unpack all of that stuff. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.599 It's hard to say that the Chicago Bulls would have 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.359 zero because you don't know what you're getting in instead 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:59.880 of him. Okay, you're speculating the presence of an athlete, 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.479 I guess the sheer absence of a player on the team, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.440 not against an alternative of athlete on the team. 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.400 Well, the point I talked your shit, Pete talked. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.279 The point I'm making Pete is you didn't have any 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:13.080 before or after. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.120 Sure, let's suppose that that in the same draft they 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.880 grabbed Reggie Miller, or in nineteen ninety one they traded 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.080 Scottie Pippen for somebody when he was an All Star 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:24.920 and had a lot of value. 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.120 You don't win with Regimiller, You do not regul you 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.040 don't play nowhere near the type of defense you need 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.360 to play to win the championship with Regimenter and Regi 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.039 Miller is a bad motherfucker. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:34.960 The same position. 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.799 Basically shout out to my nigga Regimenter because he's in California. 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.160 But you don't win shit with Regimenter. You get your 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.640 ass with no senters. Gl Man Pete in the spot. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.080 We're doing what we do. My brothers from Hoops and Bruce. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.000 Whenever I have a sports take, it don't matter if 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.200 it's basketball, it don't matter whatever's on my mind, whatever 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:52.880 part of heaven I want to explore. When I talk 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.520 about sports, I'm gonna go to my brothers because I 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.560 think they're rational people. 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:02.360 At least paths. Tom has been manic, but respect. 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.680 We're gonna work respectfully, respect respectfully. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:10.720 We don't work through it because that's what players do. Now. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.680 There's nothing Michael Jordan could say to his son because 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:14.520 about sucking. 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.359 This nigga wife. It's kind of Jordan's son is a 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:17.200 grown ass mother. 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:25.479 You mother you yeah, yo, Like, like listen. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.400 Grown man gonna tell his grown ass son. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.320 He ain't got to listen. But like, I honestly think 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:35.000 Mike said, sick, go get him, get him, boy, go 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:36.200 get him. He wanted to talk. 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:37.440 Don't want to believe that. 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.120 This motherfucker crazy since he want to talk ship go 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:41.920 fuck his wife. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.040 I don't. I hope that's not true. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:46.640 Michael all of that guy. 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:51.000 But like everything everything Scotty has said about Michael Jordan 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.800 in the past, I don't know, like year or two 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.480 like since like obviously with the last I feel him 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.960 like the last is in some kind of way did 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.400 make Scotty look away because of the fact I've said 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.000 many times the Last Dance was a Michael Jordan propaganda 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.120 piece largely. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:05.560 But everything in the. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.720 Past, like mine come from Hitler literally. 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:12.120 But everything in the past year is because his question 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.040 was a not in the first fifteen minutes of that 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.920 documentary series, did Michael Jordan I say I would not 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.280 have won anything without Scotty Pippin. I mean no, I 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.680 asked you a question, yes or no, So shut the 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:30.360 fuck up, saying when Mike said beginning of the documentary 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.000 without this motherfucker, I would it is it's like three 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.960 others here Man, you and Scotty episodes on Delusional, just like. 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.440 It's like three episodes straight in which nobody got mentioned 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:42.440 on the Chicago. 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.960 He Is Mikey Jordan. Bro, But just like watching a 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.480 documentary about the Patriots and being mad because Teddy Bruski 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.720 was the fucking highlighted. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:54.960 He's on Tom Brady. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.880 If we know, if we make a documentary about the 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.600 New England Patriots, Teddy Bruske, who played the supreme role 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:05.560 on the defense and those early championships, should be highlighted. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.120 If you name the documentary the Last Dance, which was 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.480 about all of them. It was all of them Last Dance, 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.640 not just Michael Jordans. We shouldn't go three episodes without 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.440 any human being being mentioned besides Michael Jordan's. 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.880 See you get on these tangents where you start speaking 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.720 in your opinion versus what the actual facts were when 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:30.800 the document no, stop stop stop. When the documentary dropped. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.680 We talked about this documentary at nauseum because you took 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.360 a position of this is a Michael Jordan propaganda piece, 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.880 and I'm like, bro, it's not a Michael Jordan propaganda 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.760 Who is the most famous athlete to ever watch? Who 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.800 is the most famous athlete off the face of propaganda? 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:51.160 Is it Michael Jordan's Listen? Is it Michael Jordan? No, 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:53.959 you're a liar, you know where you come from. You 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:54.640 know where you come from. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.080 Starting starting, you start going over them. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.800 Michael Jordan's is the most famous athlete in the history 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:10.920 of the world. Probably, no, probably him, Messi and Ronaldo. 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.720 Probably it's it's two names. It's it's it's Michael Jordan's 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:16.480 Muhammad Ali. 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:18.679 Yeah, I think I'm talking about soccer. 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.200 Guys, aren't even. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.400 I think Messi is up there. I think I think 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.080 Messi is up there. I don't think Messi is up there. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.160 Maybe not Ronaldo, but but but Messi is definitely one 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.120 of the most popular athletes in the history of the world. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:34.280 So let's stark. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.040 He's one of the most decorated and celebrated athletes in 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.160 the history of the world. So I don't I don't 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.840 understand this conundrum of like, oh, we're celebrating Michael Jordan, 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:44.560 what are we talking about? 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:49.679 It's not talking about Listen, nobody is. Michael Jordan is 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.800 the greatest shooting guard to ever play basketball, the most 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.600 accomplished and greatest shooting guard to. 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:56.560 Ever play basketball. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.720 But it is a cruel just to not mentioned that 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.280 he paid. He played next to the greatest small ford 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:06.000 at that time. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.160 That matters, It does matter. 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.400 That Michael Jordan never had a winning season before Scottie 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.080 Pippen came to the team. It's important to say Michael 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.319 Jordan probably never had a winning season without Scotty Pippen. 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:22.440 You know what, y'all y'all are enablers. Y'all enable him 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:23.640 to do this ship. That's why he does. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.840 It's not it's not enabled, it's not wrong. 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.199 Do I think he has some issues he needs to 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:29.440 work out with Michael Jordan? 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.080 I do. But do I think what he's saying is 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:33.400 totally crazy? I don't. 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.680 I don't what's he saying exactly? 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.120 Hold up, I'm sure if Tom got a list time 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:40.600 put to get compiler lists of things. 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:41.760 That's just crazy that he's saying. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:43.960 I thought he said something like this morning or whatever. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:45.200 It's just no, he's. 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.920 Been no, he had a he had an interview with 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.320 someone a week or so ago or ten days ago, 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.480 and basically he was saying, Michael Jordan is the great 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.560 isn't the greatest player? Michael Jordan wouldn't have won anything 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:02.040 had I not been there. Everybody Michael Michael, Michael Michael. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.840 It's funny how I hear him speaking more about Michael Jordan. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.800 And his greatness or lack thereof, than I hear him 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.920 speaking about his own greatness when he's because he's because 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:17.840 he's not Michael Jordan. That's true. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:24.800 That's like saying no, no, don't stop. Kobe and Shack 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.760 are on a similar level in terms of Kobe Kobe. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:30.440 I disagree with that. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:31.360 I disagree with that. 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.960 I disagree with that. I disagree with that one guy 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.280 was clearly the best player while they were on the 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.800 same team, and then when they left, one one two championships, 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.880 which is Kobe and the other than one one. That's 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.240 the only reason why you could pay Kobe above Shack 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:50.880 player player because he because respectfully, because he died Kobe 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.520 was still alive, we would not be having these Kobe 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.480 second but we would not. And I love Kobe no 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.160 disrespect to being shout out the being. I cried when 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:00.800 that man died, and I didn't even like it when 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.880 he played basketball. But let's keep it a bean. Him 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.440 and Shaq are on the same playing field. Michael Jordan 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.720 and Scottie Pippen are not in the same playing field. 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:10.280 They're not. 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.920 Would Mike have won without Scotty? We would never know. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.480 We would never know. We would never know, not on 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.559 the same playing field, because Michael Jordan was already an 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.319 established superstar before Scotty Pippen even arrived. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:24.080 What does that mean? 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:25.840 What are you talking about? 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:30.320 Listen, Kobe Bryant made All NBA First Team for a decade, 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:31.360 Shaq never made one. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.360 That that has made nothing to do with anything. They 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:37.840 ain't got nothing to do with the price of tea 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:38.360 in China. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.640 How if they're on the same playing field, how many 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.360 finals vps Kobe got? I don't know one or two? 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.000 Two exactly? 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:47.400 You know how many? 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.440 You know how many of the big fellas. 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:52.720 Dollar has. 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.000 And he didn't deserve it. And honestly, if you want 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.760 to say, oh, well, the All NBA means nothing, I'm 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:02.280 a reporter. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:05.199 One second. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.559 I'm a reporter. If I get into the Writers Guild 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.920 and they give me a vote, I can vote on 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:11.440 All NBA. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.760 That's why they never would because they know your ass 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.280 is crazy, that this man crazy a lot. 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.600 You have Mark Jackson, who's a media member, not voting 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.920 ton Kolea Yokich as a top five m VP candidate 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.559 this year. But you're gonna tell me that all of 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.599 these guys all of a sudden like their opinion for 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:34.240 first NBA All All Team doesn't matter, but their opinion 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.560 for Finals MVP matters, but the All Star Game doesn't matter, 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.360 but the defensive plague when the writers vote on all 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:41.599 of it. 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.560 We're not saying one thing or another thing doesn't matter. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:46.719 We're saying that we're not. 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.439 We're talking about something that you accomplished over eighty two seasons. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.960 We're sharing with you that the NBA Finals MVP Igwa 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:54.719 Dollar won it. 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.560 What does that mean? I'm telling you that that means 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.920 you So have a question for you? Then would the 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:06.400 words that we won that championship without Andre So you 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.480 know what, Steph Curry wouldn't want Ship without igodyon. 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:10.040 That's not what we're saying. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.280 Iggy won there. He wouldn't have won Ship. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:16.800 Steph Curry over, I'm not this, but you're you're exaggerating 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.440 because we're not saying Michael Jordan's greatness, right. What we're 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.760 talking about is how great Scottie Pippen is and the 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.320 fact that people constantly don't recognize how great he is. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:26.920 That's it. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.520 But you're conflating your opinion and your argument with what 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.040 you believe and not what the man himself has actually 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:36.400 said this. 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:37.840 Is not these words come out. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.720 I'm not putting these words in Scotty Pippens. 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:40.880 He's saying that's crazy. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:41.960 What do you mean? 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.120 Said, Michael Jordan wouldn't won a championship without me? And 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.160 you said, Michael Jordan's said you want to hold up listen, 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:48.520 I did hold up. 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.560 So then therefore he's not saying something crazy because Michael 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:52.480 Jordan agrees with him. 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.920 So then how is Scotty not getting no credit? Then? 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.400 And he's being maligned and and everyone that you're. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.280 Right now, you you are the problem. Michael Jordan's probably 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.040 not the problem. You are the problem. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.000 I started the conversation off by saying that Michael Jordan 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.440 acknowledged Scotty Pippen's greatness and said he would not be 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.920 as great without Scotty Pippen. What you quoted? 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:12.760 You quoted Michael Jordan. 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.840 Now we're asking Tom, we're not asking Tom to give 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.280 us Michael Jordan, and I said, you asked me. You 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.280 said how many championships they have without Scotty? Said zero? 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.800 And then you said answer the question. I said zero? 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.880 And then I said, how many these chips Scotty Pippen 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.200 have without Michael Jordan. What do you think about Scottie Pippen? 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:32.120 Jonas, how about that? 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.920 I think Scotty Pippen is the third, is the second 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:41.280 or third greatest power for whatever. He's arguably the greatest 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.800 perimeter defender to ever play the game. But I don't 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.680 believe honestly that he's a better defender than Mike. I 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.120 just think that if you, Michael Jordan, I got to 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:51.960 go out and drop thirty five and still be the 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.440 best defender on the other end, somebody else better be 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.760 playing some defense too. Mike was surrounded by dogs. Scotty 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.960 was surrounded by dogs. They all played defen. They all 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:05.120 were great guys that were around Michael and Scottie Pippen. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.080 Scotty Pippen is a is a great player, top thirty 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.600 player all time, but that's where it ends. He's not 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.840 Michael Jeffrey Jordan. So to equate a guy that might 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.640 be the thirtieth all time to the guy that's the 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.200 greatest of all time or arguable top three all Scotty's 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.240 not top fifteen, name name the guys them, name your 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.440 top fifteen right now. Line of the listening to this, No, no, no, 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.480 The people that's listened to your podcast, have heard it. 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:36.200 I'm asking you Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Tim Duncan, 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.200 Bill Russell Show Top five. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.400 Right, then you have Steph Curry. 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:45.000 Right. 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:52.360 Then you got Kobe Bryant. Right, then you have Larry Bird. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:54.600 Then you have. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.360 What was that, Dennis Robin. That's a whole, that's not 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.000 that's notine. No, no, no, no, it's fine, it's fine. 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.600 I'm not You're wrong, but I feel you. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:08.760 Okay, you. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:11.880 You got Robin over. 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:16.480 Kareem's going, he's going in teams with five he goes. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.240 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, as long as you're not 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.640 naming him mill order, because I was about because they don't. 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.280 Play one on one. If they played one on one, 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.240 then we could have a conversation. Basketball. 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.040 This ain't boxing, This is you. You got four more names. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:33.119 I'm waiting five more names, five more names, right, so 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:40.080 then you have you got my boy, the hardwood Hoodeni 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:42.320 Bob Coosey. 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.040 Gotta put cools right there. I know y'all don't white 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:46.840 people can't play sports. Let y'all tell it. 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.480 If he was playing basketball before doctor Martin Luther King 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.240 was assassinated. I don't give a fuck. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:54.880 That's your problem, that's your mistake. And they had don 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.000 before doctor Martin Luther King. That's why that's a whole 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:03.880 another track. Look, right then you have I'm a slay. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.320 I'm gonna say d Wade right now, but I'm thinking, 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:12.800 I'm thinking, I'm thinking about someone else. I'm just not 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.160 gonna do that. I'm gonna go Wade. Then I'm gonna 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:22.200 go Scottie Pippen. Then I'm gonna go Yannis. Then I'm 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:27.040 gonna go Yannis, and then I'm having an issue. I'm 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:28.639 gonna stick with dream for right now. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:36.240 Fair what. I love Dwayne Wade. He is my favorite 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.480 player of all time. But you have lost your mind. 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.320 I don't know why. I mean, there are there more 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.480 accomplished shooting guard than Dwayne Wade. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.200 We didn't say it, who was the most accomplished? I 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.240 asked you who was your top fifteen? I didn't say 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:50.280 who was the most accomplished. 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.919 I mean, shit, if you don't accomplish the most, then 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:55.080 how could I make you the top? 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.880 So you got d Wade over Shack. Yes, you're insane, 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:05.040 You're literally insane. I say, this is my part insane 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:06.960 and I love you, but you're gonna tell the same. 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.120 But I'm gonna tell you the problem, right, I'm gonna 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:13.000 tell you the problem when it comes to centers between 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:17.320 Shaq haw keem Olajawan and Will Chamberlain. I go through 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:21.000 these moments, bro, Sometimes I have Shaq right there at fifteen. 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.520 Sometimes I have Will there at fifteen. But the problem 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.119 is when I look at what Dream represented as a 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:30.320 basketball player. He was such an incredible defender and such 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.080 an incredible offensive player. He's the only person on that 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.680 list that won a championship without another Hall of Famer 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:37.879 on his team. It's just hard for me not to 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:41.879 put him at fifteen over Shack, even when you just 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.000 said that, and I'm glad you said. 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:45.440 That to open up the podcast where. 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.040 You have never laughed at your opinions before, but this 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:52.560 is the first laughing. Oh hello, six years, five years. 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.800 Then you tell me the most laughable You ask them here. 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.000 You said who finals MVP? Right, and when it was 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.200 Shack and Do Wade and they went to the finals, 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:01.960 who won the finals? 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:02.240 MVP? 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:07.800 Dwayne has one finals MVP glasses. I know he has 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:12.560 no regular season MVP glasses. He's going by positions. D 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.560 Wade is not even a greater player than Jokic is to. 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:25.920