Speaker 1: What's up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealer's Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: loaw glasses Malone. So let me start this podcast going
Speaker 1: on record. First, first thing being said is I agree
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan would have never been a winner without Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 2: Never, I'm gonna just start there.
Speaker 1: I think Scottie Pippen is probably one of the most disrespected, insulted,
Speaker 1: degraded greats to ever play basketball. Now the way I
Speaker 1: look at basketball, because it's simple, right, I don't really
Speaker 1: care about the All Star Game. Me and I didn't
Speaker 1: been on houton Bruce with y'all a million times talking
Speaker 1: about basketball. I've talked to y'all over and over again.
Speaker 1: I tell you I don't care about the All Star Game.
Speaker 1: That's a popularity contest. The All NBA is the only
Speaker 1: true way to measure great players, because that's gonna tell
Speaker 1: you who is the best player at that position. Right,
Speaker 1: you got an All NBA, you got the All defense. Right,
Speaker 1: All NBA is probably an offensive thing. It's pretty obvious
Speaker 1: to see it's an offensive thing. All defensive defense. Those
Speaker 1: are the best players in the NBA. The way I
Speaker 1: just the game is where do the people rank on
Speaker 1: your team. Michael Jordan was the first team All NBA
Speaker 1: and All Defense for shooting guards probably for a decade.
Speaker 1: Probably for a decade. Scottie Pippen was the best all
Speaker 1: defensive guy roughly for a decade and within the top three,
Speaker 1: you know, first team, second team or third team All NBA,
Speaker 1: right for just about eight nine years, So you had
Speaker 1: the best shooting guard NBA and the best small ford
Speaker 1: an NBA. I think he got some real weird takes
Speaker 1: of about Michael Jordan, but he also knew Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: better than everybody. And it's a whole fucking shit going
Speaker 1: on where it's all slander Scottie Pippen, it's all disrespect
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen, and it's mostly coming from niggas who never
Speaker 1: really watched basketball at that time. Niggas is just part
Speaker 1: of the culture of the NBA now and they wear
Speaker 1: Jordan's and Jordan Jordan Jordan. They don't know how basketball work.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of niggas to me, they even played basketball,
Speaker 1: that don't quite understand how basketball fucking work.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to do.
Speaker 3: A podcast to where we could work through our issues
Speaker 3: with the disrespect for fucking Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened, and when did this happen?
Speaker 3: You know what the fuck happened. He happens, get out
Speaker 3: of here with all of that. I don't nobody feel
Speaker 3: sorry for that motherfucker. He been bitter since motherfucking the
Speaker 3: middle of the nineties when he signed that ten year,
Speaker 3: thirty three million dollar deal and then he became a
Speaker 3: shot up and became a superstar and wanted to renegotiate.
Speaker 3: And Jerry Rhynsdorf, who was the Chicago Bulls, the Cargo
Speaker 3: White Sox owner, has been notorious for not for making
Speaker 3: his players stick to their agreement. He tell them all
Speaker 3: the time, if you sign your agreement, don't expect the
Speaker 3: reup because I'm not gonna give you a reup. He
Speaker 3: even told Scotty Pippen himself, this is a bad deal
Speaker 3: for you. You probably should sign a cheaper deal. Scotty said, no,
Speaker 3: I want to secure my family because he was one
Speaker 3: of like thirteen children, and he said he was broke.
Speaker 3: And then once Mike Profile had hit crazy, Mike started
Speaker 3: making I think what twenty five million a year, which
Speaker 3: was like the most at that point in time in
Speaker 3: the NBA. Then Scotty want to go back to the
Speaker 3: renegotiating table because he's like, oh, I'm worth as much
Speaker 3: as Mike. And that's where it all started back, even
Speaker 3: this bullshit smear campaign he'd been on for the past
Speaker 3: couple of years, it's only because he know he not
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan. And if Michael Jordan's son was fucking my
Speaker 3: ex wife, I wouldn't fuck with him either. I think
Speaker 3: that's where it goes from, because if you was Mike
Speaker 3: and you was really my man's ain't no motherfucking way
Speaker 3: your son should be fucking my ex wife. This is
Speaker 3: a revenge too. I don't want to hear that ship.
Speaker 3: Scotty is a fucking sad individual and I feel sorry
Speaker 3: for him. Honestly, I don't feel any debt of gratitude
Speaker 3: to him other than for the championships, and I feel
Speaker 3: sorry for me spent the past. Besides, I don't feel
Speaker 3: no fucking you're a champion because of Scottie Pippen. No,
Speaker 3: that's a motherfucking lie. You need to stop. How many
Speaker 3: championships he got without us, Nigga.
Speaker 2: How many championships I know I have without Scotty.
Speaker 3: How many does he have without the Chicago Bulls organization.
Speaker 2: You're not a part of the organization. Just listening. When I.
Speaker 3: Asked you, you asked me a question. Answer my question.
Speaker 3: He would have zero, We would have zero, and he
Speaker 3: would have zero.
Speaker 1: So again, right, so again, it's not now. Now, let's
Speaker 1: let's unpack all of that stuff.
Speaker 4: It's hard to say that the Chicago Bulls would have
Speaker 4: zero because you don't know what you're getting in instead
Speaker 4: of him. Okay, you're speculating the presence of an athlete,
Speaker 4: I guess the sheer absence of a player on the team,
Speaker 4: not against an alternative of athlete on the team.
Speaker 2: Well, the point I talked your shit, Pete talked.
Speaker 1: The point I'm making Pete is you didn't have any
Speaker 1: before or after.
Speaker 4: Sure, let's suppose that that in the same draft they
Speaker 4: grabbed Reggie Miller, or in nineteen ninety one they traded
Speaker 4: Scottie Pippen for somebody when he was an All Star
Speaker 4: and had a lot of value.
Speaker 1: You don't win with Regimiller, You do not regul you
Speaker 1: don't play nowhere near the type of defense you need
Speaker 1: to play to win the championship with Regimenter and Regi
Speaker 1: Miller is a bad motherfucker.
Speaker 3: The same position.
Speaker 1: Basically shout out to my nigga Regimenter because he's in California.
Speaker 1: But you don't win shit with Regimenter. You get your
Speaker 1: ass with no senters. Gl Man Pete in the spot.
Speaker 1: We're doing what we do. My brothers from Hoops and Bruce.
Speaker 1: Whenever I have a sports take, it don't matter if
Speaker 1: it's basketball, it don't matter whatever's on my mind, whatever
Speaker 1: part of heaven I want to explore. When I talk
Speaker 1: about sports, I'm gonna go to my brothers because I
Speaker 1: think they're rational people.
Speaker 2: At least paths. Tom has been manic, but respect.
Speaker 3: We're gonna work respectfully, respect respectfully.
Speaker 2: We don't work through it because that's what players do. Now.
Speaker 3: There's nothing Michael Jordan could say to his son because
Speaker 3: about sucking.
Speaker 2: This nigga wife. It's kind of Jordan's son is a
Speaker 2: grown ass mother.
Speaker 5: You mother you yeah, yo, Like, like listen.
Speaker 2: Grown man gonna tell his grown ass son.
Speaker 3: He ain't got to listen. But like, I honestly think
Speaker 3: Mike said, sick, go get him, get him, boy, go
Speaker 3: get him. He wanted to talk.
Speaker 2: Don't want to believe that.
Speaker 3: This motherfucker crazy since he want to talk ship go
Speaker 3: fuck his wife.
Speaker 2: I don't. I hope that's not true.
Speaker 4: Michael all of that guy.
Speaker 5: But like everything everything Scotty has said about Michael Jordan
Speaker 5: in the past, I don't know, like year or two
Speaker 5: like since like obviously with the last I feel him
Speaker 5: like the last is in some kind of way did
Speaker 5: make Scotty look away because of the fact I've said
Speaker 5: many times the Last Dance was a Michael Jordan propaganda
Speaker 5: piece largely.
Speaker 3: But everything in the.
Speaker 2: Past, like mine come from Hitler literally.
Speaker 3: But everything in the past year is because his question
Speaker 3: was a not in the first fifteen minutes of that
Speaker 3: documentary series, did Michael Jordan I say I would not
Speaker 3: have won anything without Scotty Pippin. I mean no, I
Speaker 3: asked you a question, yes or no, So shut the
Speaker 3: fuck up, saying when Mike said beginning of the documentary
Speaker 3: without this motherfucker, I would it is it's like three
Speaker 3: others here Man, you and Scotty episodes on Delusional, just like.
Speaker 5: It's like three episodes straight in which nobody got mentioned
Speaker 5: on the Chicago.
Speaker 3: He Is Mikey Jordan. Bro, But just like watching a
Speaker 3: documentary about the Patriots and being mad because Teddy Bruski
Speaker 3: was the fucking highlighted.
Speaker 2: He's on Tom Brady.
Speaker 5: If we know, if we make a documentary about the
Speaker 5: New England Patriots, Teddy Bruske, who played the supreme role
Speaker 5: on the defense and those early championships, should be highlighted.
Speaker 5: If you name the documentary the Last Dance, which was
Speaker 5: about all of them. It was all of them Last Dance,
Speaker 5: not just Michael Jordans. We shouldn't go three episodes without
Speaker 5: any human being being mentioned besides Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 3: See you get on these tangents where you start speaking
Speaker 3: in your opinion versus what the actual facts were when
Speaker 3: the document no, stop stop stop. When the documentary dropped.
Speaker 3: We talked about this documentary at nauseum because you took
Speaker 3: a position of this is a Michael Jordan propaganda piece,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, bro, it's not a Michael Jordan propaganda
Speaker 3: Who is the most famous athlete to ever watch? Who
Speaker 3: is the most famous athlete off the face of propaganda?
Speaker 3: Is it Michael Jordan's Listen? Is it Michael Jordan? No,
Speaker 3: you're a liar, you know where you come from. You
Speaker 3: know where you come from.
Speaker 2: Starting starting, you start going over them.
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan's is the most famous athlete in the history
Speaker 3: of the world. Probably, no, probably him, Messi and Ronaldo.
Speaker 4: Probably it's it's two names. It's it's it's Michael Jordan's
Speaker 4: Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm talking about soccer.
Speaker 4: Guys, aren't even.
Speaker 3: I think Messi is up there. I think I think
Speaker 3: Messi is up there. I don't think Messi is up there.
Speaker 3: Maybe not Ronaldo, but but but Messi is definitely one
Speaker 3: of the most popular athletes in the history of the world.
Speaker 2: So let's stark.
Speaker 3: He's one of the most decorated and celebrated athletes in
Speaker 3: the history of the world. So I don't I don't
Speaker 3: understand this conundrum of like, oh, we're celebrating Michael Jordan,
Speaker 3: what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: It's not talking about Listen, nobody is. Michael Jordan is
Speaker 1: the greatest shooting guard to ever play basketball, the most
Speaker 1: accomplished and greatest shooting guard to.
Speaker 2: Ever play basketball.
Speaker 1: But it is a cruel just to not mentioned that
Speaker 1: he paid. He played next to the greatest small ford
Speaker 1: at that time.
Speaker 2: That matters, It does matter.
Speaker 1: That Michael Jordan never had a winning season before Scottie
Speaker 1: Pippen came to the team. It's important to say Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan probably never had a winning season without Scotty Pippen.
Speaker 3: You know what, y'all y'all are enablers. Y'all enable him
Speaker 3: to do this ship. That's why he does.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not enabled, it's not wrong.
Speaker 3: Do I think he has some issues he needs to
Speaker 3: work out with Michael Jordan?
Speaker 2: I do. But do I think what he's saying is
Speaker 2: totally crazy? I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't what's he saying exactly?
Speaker 3: Hold up, I'm sure if Tom got a list time
Speaker 3: put to get compiler lists of things.
Speaker 2: That's just crazy that he's saying.
Speaker 4: I thought he said something like this morning or whatever.
Speaker 4: It's just no, he's.
Speaker 3: Been no, he had a he had an interview with
Speaker 3: someone a week or so ago or ten days ago,
Speaker 3: and basically he was saying, Michael Jordan is the great
Speaker 3: isn't the greatest player? Michael Jordan wouldn't have won anything
Speaker 3: had I not been there. Everybody Michael Michael, Michael Michael.
Speaker 3: It's funny how I hear him speaking more about Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3: And his greatness or lack thereof, than I hear him
Speaker 3: speaking about his own greatness when he's because he's because
Speaker 3: he's not Michael Jordan. That's true.
Speaker 2: That's like saying no, no, don't stop. Kobe and Shack
Speaker 2: are on a similar level in terms of Kobe Kobe.
Speaker 3: I disagree with that.
Speaker 4: I disagree with that.
Speaker 3: I disagree with that. I disagree with that one guy
Speaker 3: was clearly the best player while they were on the
Speaker 3: same team, and then when they left, one one two championships,
Speaker 3: which is Kobe and the other than one one. That's
Speaker 3: the only reason why you could pay Kobe above Shack
Speaker 3: player player because he because respectfully, because he died Kobe
Speaker 3: was still alive, we would not be having these Kobe
Speaker 3: second but we would not. And I love Kobe no
Speaker 3: disrespect to being shout out the being. I cried when
Speaker 3: that man died, and I didn't even like it when
Speaker 3: he played basketball. But let's keep it a bean. Him
Speaker 3: and Shaq are on the same playing field. Michael Jordan
Speaker 3: and Scottie Pippen are not in the same playing field.
Speaker 3: They're not.
Speaker 2: Would Mike have won without Scotty? We would never know.
Speaker 3: We would never know. We would never know, not on
Speaker 3: the same playing field, because Michael Jordan was already an
Speaker 3: established superstar before Scotty Pippen even arrived.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Listen, Kobe Bryant made All NBA First Team for a decade,
Speaker 1: Shaq never made one.
Speaker 3: That that has made nothing to do with anything. They
Speaker 3: ain't got nothing to do with the price of tea
Speaker 3: in China.
Speaker 2: How if they're on the same playing field, how many
Speaker 2: finals vps Kobe got? I don't know one or two?
Speaker 3: Two exactly?
Speaker 2: You know how many?
Speaker 3: You know how many of the big fellas.
Speaker 2: Dollar has.
Speaker 3: And he didn't deserve it. And honestly, if you want
Speaker 3: to say, oh, well, the All NBA means nothing, I'm
Speaker 3: a reporter.
Speaker 2: One second.
Speaker 3: I'm a reporter. If I get into the Writers Guild
Speaker 3: and they give me a vote, I can vote on
Speaker 3: All NBA.
Speaker 2: That's why they never would because they know your ass
Speaker 2: is crazy, that this man crazy a lot.
Speaker 3: You have Mark Jackson, who's a media member, not voting
Speaker 3: ton Kolea Yokich as a top five m VP candidate
Speaker 3: this year. But you're gonna tell me that all of
Speaker 3: these guys all of a sudden like their opinion for
Speaker 3: first NBA All All Team doesn't matter, but their opinion
Speaker 3: for Finals MVP matters, but the All Star Game doesn't matter,
Speaker 3: but the defensive plague when the writers vote on all
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: We're not saying one thing or another thing doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: We're saying that we're not.
Speaker 1: We're talking about something that you accomplished over eighty two seasons.
Speaker 1: We're sharing with you that the NBA Finals MVP Igwa
Speaker 1: Dollar won it.
Speaker 3: What does that mean? I'm telling you that that means
Speaker 3: you So have a question for you? Then would the
Speaker 3: words that we won that championship without Andre So you
Speaker 3: know what, Steph Curry wouldn't want Ship without igodyon.
Speaker 2: That's not what we're saying.
Speaker 3: Iggy won there. He wouldn't have won Ship.
Speaker 1: Steph Curry over, I'm not this, but you're you're exaggerating
Speaker 1: because we're not saying Michael Jordan's greatness, right. What we're
Speaker 1: talking about is how great Scottie Pippen is and the
Speaker 1: fact that people constantly don't recognize how great he is.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: But you're conflating your opinion and your argument with what
Speaker 3: you believe and not what the man himself has actually
Speaker 3: said this.
Speaker 2: Is not these words come out.
Speaker 3: I'm not putting these words in Scotty Pippens.
Speaker 2: He's saying that's crazy.
Speaker 3: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Said, Michael Jordan wouldn't won a championship without me? And
Speaker 1: you said, Michael Jordan's said you want to hold up listen,
Speaker 1: I did hold up.
Speaker 2: So then therefore he's not saying something crazy because Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan agrees with him.
Speaker 3: So then how is Scotty not getting no credit? Then?
Speaker 3: And he's being maligned and and everyone that you're.
Speaker 2: Right now, you you are the problem. Michael Jordan's probably
Speaker 2: not the problem. You are the problem.
Speaker 3: I started the conversation off by saying that Michael Jordan
Speaker 3: acknowledged Scotty Pippen's greatness and said he would not be
Speaker 3: as great without Scotty Pippen. What you quoted?
Speaker 2: You quoted Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3: Now we're asking Tom, we're not asking Tom to give
Speaker 3: us Michael Jordan, and I said, you asked me. You
Speaker 3: said how many championships they have without Scotty? Said zero?
Speaker 3: And then you said answer the question. I said zero?
Speaker 3: And then I said, how many these chips Scotty Pippen
Speaker 3: have without Michael Jordan. What do you think about Scottie Pippen?
Speaker 2: Jonas, how about that?
Speaker 3: I think Scotty Pippen is the third, is the second
Speaker 3: or third greatest power for whatever. He's arguably the greatest
Speaker 3: perimeter defender to ever play the game. But I don't
Speaker 3: believe honestly that he's a better defender than Mike. I
Speaker 3: just think that if you, Michael Jordan, I got to
Speaker 3: go out and drop thirty five and still be the
Speaker 3: best defender on the other end, somebody else better be
Speaker 3: playing some defense too. Mike was surrounded by dogs. Scotty
Speaker 3: was surrounded by dogs. They all played defen. They all
Speaker 3: were great guys that were around Michael and Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 3: Scotty Pippen is a is a great player, top thirty
Speaker 3: player all time, but that's where it ends. He's not
Speaker 3: Michael Jeffrey Jordan. So to equate a guy that might
Speaker 3: be the thirtieth all time to the guy that's the
Speaker 3: greatest of all time or arguable top three all Scotty's
Speaker 3: not top fifteen, name name the guys them, name your
Speaker 3: top fifteen right now. Line of the listening to this, No, no, no,
Speaker 3: The people that's listened to your podcast, have heard it.
Speaker 1: I'm asking you Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Tim Duncan,
Speaker 1: Bill Russell Show Top five.
Speaker 2: Right, then you have Steph Curry.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Then you got Kobe Bryant. Right, then you have Larry Bird.
Speaker 2: Then you have.
Speaker 3: What was that, Dennis Robin. That's a whole, that's not
Speaker 3: that's notine. No, no, no, no, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm not You're wrong, but I feel you.
Speaker 2: Okay, you.
Speaker 3: You got Robin over.
Speaker 4: Kareem's going, he's going in teams with five he goes.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, as long as you're not
Speaker 3: naming him mill order, because I was about because they don't.
Speaker 2: Play one on one. If they played one on one,
Speaker 2: then we could have a conversation. Basketball.
Speaker 3: This ain't boxing, This is you. You got four more names.
Speaker 3: I'm waiting five more names, five more names, right, so
Speaker 3: then you have you got my boy, the hardwood Hoodeni
Speaker 3: Bob Coosey.
Speaker 2: Gotta put cools right there. I know y'all don't white
Speaker 2: people can't play sports. Let y'all tell it.
Speaker 3: If he was playing basketball before doctor Martin Luther King
Speaker 3: was assassinated. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: That's your problem, that's your mistake. And they had don
Speaker 1: before doctor Martin Luther King. That's why that's a whole
Speaker 1: another track. Look, right then you have I'm a slay.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say d Wade right now, but I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm thinking about someone else. I'm just not
Speaker 1: gonna do that. I'm gonna go Wade. Then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go Scottie Pippen. Then I'm gonna go Yannis. Then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go Yannis, and then I'm having an issue. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stick with dream for right now.
Speaker 3: Fair what. I love Dwayne Wade. He is my favorite
Speaker 3: player of all time. But you have lost your mind.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I mean, there are there more
Speaker 2: accomplished shooting guard than Dwayne Wade.
Speaker 3: We didn't say it, who was the most accomplished? I
Speaker 3: asked you who was your top fifteen? I didn't say
Speaker 3: who was the most accomplished.
Speaker 1: I mean, shit, if you don't accomplish the most, then
Speaker 1: how could I make you the top?
Speaker 3: So you got d Wade over Shack. Yes, you're insane,
Speaker 3: You're literally insane. I say, this is my part insane
Speaker 3: and I love you, but you're gonna tell the same.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you the problem, right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you the problem when it comes to centers between
Speaker 1: Shaq haw keem Olajawan and Will Chamberlain. I go through
Speaker 1: these moments, bro, Sometimes I have Shaq right there at fifteen.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I have Will there at fifteen. But the problem
Speaker 1: is when I look at what Dream represented as a
Speaker 1: basketball player. He was such an incredible defender and such
Speaker 1: an incredible offensive player. He's the only person on that
Speaker 1: list that won a championship without another Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: on his team. It's just hard for me not to
Speaker 1: put him at fifteen over Shack, even when you just
Speaker 1: said that, and I'm glad you said.
Speaker 2: That to open up the podcast where.
Speaker 3: You have never laughed at your opinions before, but this
Speaker 3: is the first laughing. Oh hello, six years, five years.
Speaker 3: Then you tell me the most laughable You ask them here.
Speaker 1: You said who finals MVP? Right, and when it was
Speaker 1: Shack and Do Wade and they went to the finals,
Speaker 1: who won the finals?
Speaker 2: MVP?
Speaker 3: Dwayne has one finals MVP glasses. I know he has
Speaker 3: no regular season MVP glasses. He's going by positions. D
Speaker 3: Wade is not even a greater player than Jokic is to.
Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, I don't know about that. That's silly. That's silly.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's too accomplished for us to even debate.
Speaker 3: That Jokic is actually more accomplished than d Wade at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 2: Yes he is. He's my favorite player of all time.
Speaker 3: I have never seen that man one MVP trophy during
Speaker 3: the regular season, let alone too.
Speaker 1: I'm not upset that you're saying that, but the Most
Speaker 1: Valuable Player is an offensive award, and I'm not mad
Speaker 1: that Joker is in that conversation. It's always been an
Speaker 1: offensive award. It's been an offensive award probably since.
Speaker 3: Eighty so A team won v because he was so
Speaker 3: dynamic offensively.
Speaker 2: He won Defensive Player of the Year the same year
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: He was also really good offensively too.
Speaker 2: He was like, fantastic off I know you, I know you.
Speaker 3: You don't hear words coming out of your own mouth.
Speaker 3: I know you, just know you don't hear the words
Speaker 3: coming out of your own mouth.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: That's why they gave him Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: They gave him the MVP because he was offensively dynamic.
Speaker 1: The fact that you're questioning that is crazy to me.
Speaker 3: No, the fact that you're saying that, it's crazy to me.
Speaker 3: He was the MVP because he was the best offensive
Speaker 3: and defensive player in the year in the league that year.
Speaker 2: He was the He was the also the defensive player
Speaker 2: of the year because he was the best.
Speaker 3: No, that's that's cap G. Even when Yahnis won MVPs.
Speaker 3: Half of his argument for winning MVPs because when he
Speaker 3: won his first MVP average I think twenty six, which
Speaker 3: he was like third or fourth in the league, and.
Speaker 2: Scool averaged like fourteen rebounds and like seven assists.
Speaker 3: Are you serious, G, y'all probably shot like fifty five
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 2: Or something. And he was still one of the best
Speaker 2: defensive and offensive players in the.
Speaker 3: League, which is of the year as well and one
Speaker 3: of the years.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: That's the point? Steve Nash's horrible defensively. He's won two
Speaker 1: m vps.
Speaker 3: There's a ton since the name all the offensive guys
Speaker 3: that won MVPs that didn't play no defense. Okay, one,
Speaker 3: no defense, Go ahead, keep going.
Speaker 2: You're a liar.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that. You know you didn't watch the Bulls.
Speaker 3: I can tell you didn't watch the Russell. You didn't
Speaker 3: watch the Bulls, I can tell you James harden Man, Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think is a terrible defensive player, though I
Speaker 2: never thought ward.
Speaker 1: It's been an offensive ward since the defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year award came across. Oh my god, and every
Speaker 1: now and then they'll make it a color for award,
Speaker 1: like when Derrick Rose defen Scotty one zero.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, but that's not He's also been ten times
Speaker 3: All Defensive First Team and zero times the best defender
Speaker 3: in the league.
Speaker 2: Yes, what does that mean?
Speaker 3: Because we're having conversations about greatness, right and again, Scotty
Speaker 3: top thirty, Mike top three on.
Speaker 1: Anybody's Lisotty top fifteen. No, he's not Scotty by far
Speaker 1: as the third best small for.
Speaker 2: No, Scotty's not even better than KG. And you ain't
Speaker 2: even put KG in your list. KG is not what
Speaker 2: do you mean? Of course he is?
Speaker 3: No, he's not.
Speaker 2: He's more complistentan KG.
Speaker 3: No, he No, he is not a better player than
Speaker 3: Kevin Garnet.
Speaker 2: He's more competent than KG.
Speaker 3: Y're also arguing different things. He's not more competent Kevin Garnet.
Speaker 3: Kevin Garnet won an MVP and Defensive Player of the
Speaker 3: Year award. I'm not knocking at but he also only
Speaker 3: won one championship. You gotta win, dog, you are This
Speaker 3: is see. This is why this motherfucker Scotty do this shit,
Speaker 3: because y'all play mental gymnastics. To make it fit. Y'all
Speaker 3: argument you have to have.
Speaker 2: You have to take into account he won six champions.
Speaker 3: And I have to take into account that he never
Speaker 3: won to MVP or Defensive Player number Yeah, So why yeah,
Speaker 3: yea yea yeah yah. Why Hondo ain't up there? Why
Speaker 3: you ain't getting Kevin McHale that irony? You ain't got
Speaker 3: Robert Parrish up there? Why sitting in your top twenty
Speaker 3: irony with Dwayne Wade out And was just thinking right
Speaker 3: now when I was saying it past you, was looking like,
Speaker 3: I was like, that really should be Hondo, But I'm
Speaker 3: gonna give it to Dwayne Wade.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at JA.
Speaker 3: I swear to God, you making me never want to
Speaker 3: do another podcast talking about basketball, which all again ever
Speaker 3: in life, y'all are sitting up here and you're spewing
Speaker 3: fucking Have you looked at numbers?
Speaker 2: The nigga he was coming off the bitch for ten years.
Speaker 3: In his career.
Speaker 1: Then he want a championship, Want a championship without being Russell,
Speaker 1: without Bob.
Speaker 2: Serious right now, Hondo top twenty all.
Speaker 4: Time ship coming off the bench because basketball was his
Speaker 4: second sport. He was an All American football player.
Speaker 1: And talk to him, talk to him, Peter about them
Speaker 1: white folk and you want to championship in the seventies
Speaker 1: without Bob Coosey.
Speaker 4: A couple out Bill, didn't he take down too?
Speaker 2: That's one. He did that too. He let that team
Speaker 2: to see that.
Speaker 3: That's the point. And this is the point too. Like
Speaker 3: the thing about talking to y'all young folks is you
Speaker 3: don't don't do that. Don't do that, don't know, don't
Speaker 3: do that. Don't little bro me, don't little child me.
Speaker 3: Don't little broke me because you brought me on the
Speaker 3: show to talk and have this discourse.
Speaker 2: Don't love you have no no you know.
Speaker 3: Rocket with that. Don't bro me. Do not little broke
Speaker 3: me right now when you brought me on that his discussion.
Speaker 3: Do not little broke me right now? Does you were
Speaker 3: born right now. No, I never said you don't think
Speaker 3: basketball the King got assassinated and that was before you
Speaker 3: was born.
Speaker 2: But don't load from me right now. Don't load. I'm
Speaker 2: not rocking with that.
Speaker 3: Otherwise, why you bring me on here that? Because if
Speaker 3: you just go to young to talk about it, I
Speaker 3: did say that.
Speaker 2: I did say that.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, y'all tend to think basketball has
Speaker 1: an expiration date.
Speaker 3: It don't matter before it is. It don't matter before.
Speaker 3: It does matter because you have to go dominate the
Speaker 3: guys that's out there with you. So even if we
Speaker 3: talk about before Martin Luther King got assassinated, right how
Speaker 3: many teams in the league.
Speaker 4: Is it fair to say that there is a that
Speaker 4: the game is a lot different and it's it's ironic,
Speaker 4: But I would say from about the last year of
Speaker 4: the Jordan era beyond because there the gap I feel
Speaker 4: nowadays between March basketball and May basketball is one hundred
Speaker 4: miles wide, and I don't feel like it was that
Speaker 4: way twenty five thirty year. I agree, and that changes
Speaker 4: the assessment of all these awards and all this other crafts.
Speaker 4: Because go ahead, Pete, I'm no saying for that reason,
Speaker 4: I mean awards.
Speaker 2: If we're doing that like I'm saying, and Pete, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry forgive me if I'm cutting you.
Speaker 1: To imagine saying before overseas players started playing basketball, because
Speaker 1: right now, right, let's say, it'll probably be We've talked
Speaker 1: about this, and I've been saying this for like the
Speaker 1: last four years, five years, It'll probably be ten years
Speaker 1: before another American born player wins an MVP, right.
Speaker 2: I think I think me and Path.
Speaker 1: Agreed probably a couple of years ago, three years ago,
Speaker 1: we was like, yo, it's probably gonna be at least
Speaker 1: a decade before an American born player wins the MVP.
Speaker 2: Right, we both agree with that. And right now we're
Speaker 2: five years.
Speaker 1: In, so we looking really good and it don't look close.
Speaker 1: The two guys that should have won that are both
Speaker 1: overseas players, right. So imagine us like right, as more
Speaker 1: overseas players coming to the NBA and they start to
Speaker 1: have significant roles and they're great players. Imagine us discounting
Speaker 1: the time when American basketball led the scene and said, well,
Speaker 1: that was before all the overseas players really came into
Speaker 1: the league because it was only so many overseas players.
Speaker 3: When you do that because it's pre the ABA merging
Speaker 3: with the NBA. You discredit the greatest players in the
Speaker 3: NBA history because that's all we're talking about.
Speaker 2: It's not fair when you do it, and you shouldn't
Speaker 2: do it, because.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you when you you know it's it's like
Speaker 1: when all the legends would tell me and rap, they
Speaker 1: be like, gee, wat's what you're saying. Because you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to eventually be a legend. You're gonna get older.
Speaker 1: You gotta be careful.
Speaker 3: So remember your point that you make if you start
Speaker 3: preaching all pre that's pre ABA. Look what's going on
Speaker 3: right now with these overseas players. They're coming in by
Speaker 3: the flocks. They're coming in better than americanayers. Been in
Speaker 3: the league for thirty years now, that's black players in
Speaker 3: the league. Nias been playing in the NBA for fifty years.
Speaker 3: Stop it longer than that system forties in the NBA
Speaker 3: the whole time. Who black players have been there? Okay,
Speaker 3: then what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: But you but you tend to discredit it because it
Speaker 2: was before the ABA merger.
Speaker 3: I discredited because it was twelve fucking teams in the league.
Speaker 3: How many changes in the play and there was no
Speaker 3: free agency. There was many changes in the playoffs. One
Speaker 3: would argue with that, hold on, wait, wait real quick.
Speaker 5: One would argue with you that the talent pool was
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna tell you to get the out of
Speaker 5: the team.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't that spread out. What would argue with
Speaker 3: you and one of them fucking teams in the fifties,
Speaker 3: sixties and dominating that because they have.
Speaker 4: Man like they didn't have weights.
Speaker 3: Then it's not the same thing we call the evolution
Speaker 3: for a reason, weren't even fair. Don't say it. Then
Speaker 3: if it's not fair, it's not not being legit to No,
Speaker 3: y'all not being legit because y'all want to because you
Speaker 3: love to argue on the side of anarchy, and Patty
Speaker 3: just don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: I don't have idianarchy. I'm just a very good keeper
Speaker 2: of history. I care about history, and I care about
Speaker 2: domination no matter when it happened.
Speaker 3: So why you don't care about your examination?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: I think I don't care about I told you listen,
Speaker 1: I just put Janni's in the top fifteen already.
Speaker 2: So Helen is not there, but you have Jis has
Speaker 2: not accomplished the thing that.
Speaker 3: How about this, we have this conversation again in a
Speaker 3: week I met you, that's two weeks, and then your
Speaker 3: list again. When he got a championship of two MVPs.
Speaker 2: Now we got to talk about it. But he probably
Speaker 2: still wouldn't be top fifteen. He'd probably still be like.
Speaker 3: Your nuts, your nuts.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean at that point, how Chamberlain, who you
Speaker 2: have d Wade in your top fifteen?
Speaker 1: But you're missing the point, right, You're missing the point.
Speaker 1: How do I put him over Will Chamberlain who has
Speaker 1: four MVPs and two championships?
Speaker 3: I don't know. You told me I don't. I won't
Speaker 3: you hold on, you don't hold him? You know how
Speaker 3: you put whoever who will over Yokic?
Speaker 2: Know? How do I put Joker over Whiled? I'm fine
Speaker 2: with that. I'm fine with it.
Speaker 3: I'm no, no, no, i'ma tell you why I'm flying
Speaker 3: with that argument. Because Wilt was Will set the precedent
Speaker 3: for all of the big men to follow him, even
Speaker 3: the ship Yoki is doing right now, Wilt was doing
Speaker 3: Doctor Martin Luther King got shot. After he got shot,
Speaker 3: he threwing the god damn merger he was and even
Speaker 3: when he was olderan wasted. He was still giving you
Speaker 3: twenty and ten and he had all this and he
Speaker 3: went to the finals with first championship.
Speaker 2: His first championship came from assists. And you know why
Speaker 2: he didn't win them championships too.
Speaker 3: I know why? Yeah, because you're playing a team with
Speaker 3: five Hall of famers on it.
Speaker 2: They was Hall of Fame because they whooped on your ass.
Speaker 3: No, they was Hall of Famous because they was Hall
Speaker 3: of Famers. They wouldn't Hall of Famer before your shit.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like when people say Lebron James played
Speaker 1: against five people that won Hall of Fame. No, you
Speaker 1: made them hall of famers. They're whooping on your ass.
Speaker 1: That's why they're in Hall of Fame. They wouldn't be
Speaker 1: in Hall of Fame. That's they're whooping on yours.
Speaker 3: If Will Champlanin would have stopped that, niggas, they wouldn't
Speaker 3: be in the Hall of Fame. Michael Jordan denied a
Speaker 3: lot of people think about if niggas just whipped.
Speaker 1: On Michael Jordan every year, they would be like Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer. So all I'm saying to you is we
Speaker 1: have to be fair. We can't discount the game pre
Speaker 1: you know, whatever, Martin Luther King, ABA merger or anything.
Speaker 1: You can't because the game is gonna constantly evolve. So
Speaker 1: you have to dominate the pool that's there.
Speaker 2: And it's like it's like one last caveat, one last caveat.
Speaker 3: Just to with your point, Will had already won a
Speaker 3: championship before Will, I'm sorry, Bill Russell had already won
Speaker 3: a championship before Will even entered the league. No, that's
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it right now. You're not gonna tell
Speaker 3: me that it didn't.
Speaker 2: Sixty what huh? Sixty one?
Speaker 3: I think Will Russell won a championship fifty No, he
Speaker 3: wanted to let me fucking say it. He won a
Speaker 3: championship in nineteen fifty seven. Will didn't make it to
Speaker 3: the NBA until nineteen fifty nine. It so again, Bill
Speaker 3: Russell came up and was already playing with Hall of
Speaker 3: famers and great NBA players before We'll even entered into
Speaker 3: the league. To you, you keep missing my point on purpose.
Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. How can you say that?
Speaker 3: Then? If you saying that, you you literally said Bill
Speaker 3: Russell was great because he was whooping Wilt Chamberlain asked
Speaker 3: so what so he won whooping ass before Will got
Speaker 3: in the league, when.
Speaker 2: He was a champion already he was out jumping people. No,
Speaker 2: that's not what I asked. I mean Bill Russell was
Speaker 2: a special athelete?
Speaker 3: He was Was he not a champion before Will Chamberlain
Speaker 3: came in the league?
Speaker 1: Listen, when it came to when it came to like
Speaker 1: like uh pro like, like what was it called revolutionary
Speaker 1: that Bill Russell was that?
Speaker 2: Nigga, that's a whole nother story.
Speaker 3: My nigga, I ain't asked you that. I asked you
Speaker 3: that was Bill Russell not already a champion before Wilt
Speaker 3: Chamberlain entered? Was So, how can you say that Bill
Speaker 3: Russell is a is so great because of Will? No,
Speaker 3: he's not. He was already great, great, team was already great.
Speaker 4: Grits engineering dilemma. It's not that Bill Russell Russell was
Speaker 4: great because of Will, just that Wilt was dimmed because
Speaker 4: of Russell. If Russell didn't exist, then Wilt would probably
Speaker 4: have ten championship game. A conversation, and.
Speaker 3: You went on some funny on that before We'll even
Speaker 3: got into the league. On that Celtics team, Bob Coosey,
Speaker 3: Tom Henderson, Bill Russell, Bill Sharmon all Hall.
Speaker 4: Of Fame, Casey Jones on that team for period of times.
Speaker 3: He's a little bit later on the on the on
Speaker 3: the team that won the championship.
Speaker 4: From Usfuh, there was like two or three guys from
Speaker 4: the college team that went back to back in c
Speaker 4: as they went to the Celtics because Red was the
Speaker 4: only guy really going hardcore after black players.
Speaker 2: Roberts made doll of fame. Bird made a lot of
Speaker 2: people Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: Oh, the point I was going to make is as
Speaker 4: far as the expansion of the league and the expansion
Speaker 4: of talent whatever, it's sort of like a parallel to
Speaker 4: like the way mining for old doesn't change because it's
Speaker 4: technology and cost of getting it improves, it remains fixed,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, like the supply expansion
Speaker 4: is the same as the cost of digging deeper and
Speaker 4: deeper into technology, digs better and better, all that kind
Speaker 4: of shit.
Speaker 2: So, like.
Speaker 4: The leagues expanded probably sort of on pace with the
Speaker 4: expansion of access to talent and the expansion of development
Speaker 4: of talent.
Speaker 3: FAY people also use it arguments to discredit And.
Speaker 2: This is one of those things that I do feel
Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen on.
Speaker 1: And it's not what it is is it's like my
Speaker 1: issues with like like like people think I don't like
Speaker 1: Lebron James, right, but it's not Lebron James.
Speaker 2: It's his fans. Like his fans are like delusional.
Speaker 1: And this is kind of Michael Jordan where people didn't
Speaker 1: really watch basketball at that time, so they didn't know.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at a thing in my Instagram that
Speaker 1: my homie six sent me six picks shout out to
Speaker 1: my boy six. It's said Jordan ends the Penny and
Speaker 1: Shack era. You see how they did that.
Speaker 3: They did say the bulls. They just said Michael, They
Speaker 3: just said not to mention what Shack and Penny Jordan
Speaker 3: and pippin Shack and Penny destroyed.
Speaker 2: Jordan and Pippen right them?
Speaker 4: What era?
Speaker 3: What era did they have?
Speaker 1: But you're missing I'm asking you what era did they have?
Speaker 1: It's not did they have an era? Your focused focus
Speaker 1: because now we're going into this magic. I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about that.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 1: The fact that they made him the guy that stopped
Speaker 1: Jordan and Penny, like Jordan and Penny didn't just bounce
Speaker 1: this motherfucker, and they had to go get another guy
Speaker 1: that's in my top ten to make sure they got
Speaker 1: past him. The greatest defensive presidence to play basketball and
Speaker 1: the minor era, one of the greatest possession guys ever.
Speaker 3: So one of the So Michael Jordan retired for two years.
Speaker 2: And shack, I'm tired of y'all with that lie.
Speaker 3: That's not why they lost. He actually retired for a
Speaker 3: year and a half.
Speaker 2: But okay, he retired for one year.
Speaker 3: No, he retired for a year and a half. He missed.
Speaker 3: He came back and played I think.
Speaker 2: Thirty for one year, tired closer to I disagree with.
Speaker 3: That either way. That's not why they lost that year.
Speaker 2: They lost.
Speaker 3: Shooting sixty, that's why they lost the series. And who
Speaker 3: and what team the horse played for it before he
Speaker 3: went to Orlando, his horse grant in the Hall of Fame. No,
Speaker 3: that's not what I asked you. That's why they had
Speaker 3: to go get somebody else. Stop to get somebody else.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, somebody else.
Speaker 3: It wasn't just anybody else. It wasn't just anybody else.
Speaker 3: It happened to be the nigga that you was just
Speaker 3: talking about. The two time Defensive Player of the Year
Speaker 3: two champion Savage guard off five positions. Mayniact that could
Speaker 3: literally remount the ball better than anybody in the.
Speaker 2: Last fifty years.
Speaker 3: So Robin made Shack leave Orlando.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, the Bulls made Shack Ornando.
Speaker 3: Okay, the Bulls, Okay, the Bulls. I have never seen
Speaker 3: a player like Michael Jordan be disrespected consistently because of
Speaker 3: the fact that he was great and popular. You know,
Speaker 3: it's some funny. We never have these conversations in terms
Speaker 3: of the lexicons of the greats when it comes to Tom.
Speaker 2: Brady, because football, don't nobody do that.
Speaker 3: I don't. I disagree right now. They don't. They don't,
Speaker 3: not in the same manner. Not in the same manner.
Speaker 1: Everybody tells me Tom Brady ain't. I don't even like football,
Speaker 1: and everybody tell me, man, tom Brady is cool. They
Speaker 1: just doing a bit too much. But he's a great
Speaker 1: quarterback and they're lying. I believe that.
Speaker 3: I've watched in my entire life. He was fucking phenomenal.
Speaker 2: He was great. I believe him.
Speaker 3: I believe had a great coach. And so without Thomas
Speaker 3: Wayne Brady, I believe that's his middle name the first.
Speaker 3: It's not happening.
Speaker 5: Also, I think people view footballs as a as a
Speaker 5: much more of a collective than people have.
Speaker 3: You view basketball, not of a quarterback position, not of
Speaker 3: the quarterback position. I don't know, because I think I've
Speaker 3: heard people say there are better quarterbacks, they're better passers.
Speaker 4: And that's the issue with with a lot of fans
Speaker 4: fans I think.
Speaker 1: I think, I think Tom Brady has the same things
Speaker 1: that Tim Duncan has, where a lot of people talk
Speaker 1: about certain things as far as it being system based,
Speaker 1: combined things, and they keep creating the same setup for it.
Speaker 1: But again that Tom Brady without that system, But again
Speaker 1: you just recreate the same system. Their offense was horrible
Speaker 1: that year, and I knew that for sure too, And.
Speaker 3: They still want a championship because.
Speaker 1: They have fantastic defense and Tom Brady doesn't play. That's
Speaker 1: not the takeaway.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't want to do that. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, we don't really have these discussions about
Speaker 3: white great athletes and and and spend all this time
Speaker 3: trying to diminish their greatness to put it on other ones.
Speaker 3: I don't see what's made Michael Jordan's the greatest shooting
Speaker 3: guard of everasball, What do you want you talking about
Speaker 3: a position? To make a position the lexicon of the sport,
Speaker 3: because it could be very easily I could say, well,
Speaker 3: Tom Brady was only the greatest quarterback to played football. Ok.
Speaker 3: People literally say that. They literally said, Yeah, they do
Speaker 3: say that.
Speaker 2: I thought that's what he knows.
Speaker 3: Wait, stop, they do say that, But you don't hear
Speaker 3: no fucking body at all say well, Michael was just
Speaker 3: a great shooting guard. Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 3: Man Lasson says.
Speaker 4: That the only guy.
Speaker 3: That also actually one of those guys who really break
Speaker 3: things down to the simplest point.
Speaker 1: I don't just say things because they sound sensational. I
Speaker 1: don't know Michael Jordan's basketball player.
Speaker 2: They ever played the game. That's stupid.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't have to play one on one.
Speaker 3: I would never know. I don't know who the fuck
Speaker 3: would Michael Jordan beat fucking one on one because he
Speaker 3: don't fucking play one. He's not a boxer. It's not
Speaker 3: one guy versus one guy. So why the fuck would
Speaker 3: you declare one player the best? Is literally because that's
Speaker 3: what we do.
Speaker 2: Because you're horrible.
Speaker 3: No, that's what we have to make you, that's what
Speaker 3: we do. No, no, no, you know what's horrible saying
Speaker 3: have the check is top fifteen all time. That want
Speaker 3: to even even even wanting to say that is horrible.
Speaker 3: It's not a bad argument. Delusion, it's not a bad argument.
Speaker 3: You all are delusional.
Speaker 2: Listen to me. You know what's crazy time, right is
Speaker 2: there are guys who I rate Dwayne Wade higher than
Speaker 2: that one m v P S and James.
Speaker 1: Is a shooting guard. I rate him higher because I
Speaker 1: think he's accomplished more.
Speaker 4: Why do you not rate like Clay Thompson higher?
Speaker 2: We haven't even got that far down the line. I
Speaker 2: have to have that conversation.
Speaker 4: Why isn't he above? Why are we Why is he
Speaker 4: further down the line than Wade? He should be higher
Speaker 4: than Wade.
Speaker 3: No, does he have any even the teams? For sure,
Speaker 3: d Wade got like four.
Speaker 2: D Wade is a bad motherfucker.
Speaker 1: D Wade might be the craziest mother fucking real life,
Speaker 1: but as a hooper, that motherfucker, bad motherfucker mother fucker.
Speaker 1: Three time NBA Champion Finals MVP, thirteen time NBA All Star,
Speaker 1: All Star Game MVP. He has made eight All NBA teams,
Speaker 1: He's made three All defensive teams.
Speaker 2: He's a scoring champion.
Speaker 1: He is really one of the most defining people for
Speaker 1: a position that you can see until you start talking
Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. There's probably not a shooting
Speaker 1: guard more accomplished like Alan Iverson if we put him
Speaker 1: in shooting.
Speaker 3: Guards, James Harden is more accomplished. If you're telling me champion,
Speaker 3: winning championships is a team game, yes, but you but
Speaker 3: you play don't So it does matter, right, it does matter,
Speaker 3: But all the other boxes need to be feeled. Is
Speaker 3: it Uchi Waally or is it one mic?
Speaker 5: Which one isn't win AP on a terrible team?
Speaker 3: Either, that's a lie. Russell Westbrook did.
Speaker 2: No, that wasn't terrible, and that wasn't a terrible team.
Speaker 3: You are not a terrible team, not a terrible team,
Speaker 3: but a terrible team. It wasn't a great team. It's
Speaker 3: not a rewriting.
Speaker 2: It's not as bad as the teams that Michael Jordan
Speaker 2: was balling on.
Speaker 3: Who was the second best player on that OKC team
Speaker 3: with I mean Victor was like seventeen boys.
Speaker 2: And he won All defensive. He was bad more at
Speaker 2: that time, wasn't terrible. They wasn't going championship.
Speaker 3: But he took off the very next year when he
Speaker 3: got to the Indiana He wasn't terrible.
Speaker 2: It wasn't terrible.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a great team, but it wasn't terrible.
Speaker 4: Didn't they just get didn't they get alsted in like
Speaker 4: the first round?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they got swept.
Speaker 4: So you got the MVP and you get in the
Speaker 4: first round. That's not a ringing endorsement.
Speaker 3: His team was fucking trash.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: It's no, no, no, let's be honest. K D.
Speaker 2: Leaves.
Speaker 3: You have a team that is built for Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3: Now you are the focal point of the team, so
Speaker 3: they have to replace Kevin fucking Durrant. I think all
Speaker 3: the leftover pieces from a team built for Kevin Durant
Speaker 3: without Russell Westbrook, that team probably win fifteen games.
Speaker 4: That year's distribution, it's the distribution MVP era is what
Speaker 4: that is. It's not the fact that it was a
Speaker 4: team great, was it not great? It's the fact that
Speaker 4: Russell west would played through four months of basketball when
Speaker 4: no one gives a flying fuck. That's the point.
Speaker 1: No, No, the point is we only cared about Okac
Speaker 1: and we talked about them because of Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 4: That's absolutely because he's going hardcore, burned himself out in
Speaker 4: the fucking.
Speaker 2: January, averaged a triple double and that had season.
Speaker 4: And nine guys around him just playing. Didn't give a
Speaker 4: fuck because it's Tuesday in Milwaukee on January eighth, But
Speaker 4: that gives a fuck.
Speaker 2: It's still hard for him to average a triple double
Speaker 2: four season.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it is.
Speaker 1: Nobody still s hasn't averaged a triple double like Joker
Speaker 1: was closed, but he didn't quite do it for sure.
Speaker 4: It's it's like it's it's regular season NBA basketball. NBFA
Speaker 4: aren't to like this is breaching preseason NFL football and
Speaker 4: it's standard.
Speaker 2: She's just getting out of fucking control.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not, so you're telling me.
Speaker 3: So, you're telling me a team with Victor oladipot Inez Canner,
Speaker 3: Steven Adams, Todd Gibson, Josh Houston, Andre Rovers and Doug McDermott.
Speaker 2: Back then cleaning on defense too.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: Roster was cleaning on defense too. He had the same injury.
Speaker 2: I had to. I like him as a defensive player, But.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, he having six points a game that year,
Speaker 3: could barely make a shot with defense, his assof shooting
Speaker 3: forty six and twenty five percent from three. That team
Speaker 3: was not a good team.
Speaker 2: Been his ass off he could.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a great team like it was a great
Speaker 3: We've seen what happen right now not having Steven Adams.
Speaker 2: What happened to Memphis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they star player was pulling glocks out on the internet,
Speaker 3: so he got suspended for eight games.
Speaker 2: But you see what happened to Steven Adams.
Speaker 3: I mean you probably they probably would have been way
Speaker 3: better had their star player another Bullard locks out on
Speaker 3: the internet and got suspended in the middle of the
Speaker 3: season when Steven Adams got hurt.
Speaker 2: They would have won with Steven Adams.
Speaker 5: They still could have possibly won without John morettough. But
Speaker 5: like when you don't have any of your bigs, is
Speaker 5: not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's just all stout.
Speaker 1: But the point I'm saying is back to Scottie Pippoy,
Speaker 1: tell me the thing he's saying that's incorrect.
Speaker 5: Not again, there are again, there are a lot of
Speaker 5: hurt in Scotty's comments for reasons that have nothing to
Speaker 5: do with basketball, I think. But when he does say
Speaker 5: things like Michael wouldn't have won without me, he's not
Speaker 5: really wrong.
Speaker 3: And all I would like to ask Scotty is what
Speaker 3: would you be without Michael Jeffrey Jordan. It's a team
Speaker 3: game other than an other than another fucking country, motherfucking
Speaker 3: basketball player that came to like I like, this is
Speaker 3: part of my problem with Scotty.
Speaker 2: Did he like?
Speaker 3: It's almost like a situation, what's a what's the famous
Speaker 3: rap where the star of it was like the motherfucking
Speaker 3: man and the second in line gut cast my.
Speaker 2: Boy, we're making outcast not outcasts.
Speaker 5: Everybody like that because the way people talk about three
Speaker 5: thousand is like big Boy never had a good verse ever,
Speaker 5: which is wild.
Speaker 2: This is just crazy.
Speaker 3: I disagree with that actually, and I do hate those people.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of.
Speaker 1: People that name Andre three thousand as a as A
Speaker 1: as like one of the greatest rap bro.
Speaker 2: There is no Andre three thousands. There is none.
Speaker 1: There is none, Like literally, there's only outcasts. Like he's
Speaker 1: literally going out his way to not release a solo album.
Speaker 1: At best, he'll team up with other rappers, so that
Speaker 1: means he's a permanent group member on purpose. And it's
Speaker 1: not a slight towards Andre three thousand, Like I'm a
Speaker 1: huge outcast fan, like Andre three thousand is part of
Speaker 1: my fucking child a coming into a fucking adult, Like
Speaker 1: he's fucking amazing and he's a fucking awesome guy and
Speaker 1: he's my partner, fucking girl. So I love Andre three thousand,
Speaker 1: but this to keep comparing him when he's going out
Speaker 1: of his way to not be just as a solo artist,
Speaker 1: but human beings with their silliness keep doing it the
Speaker 1: same thing I'm telling you. Now, this is what everybody
Speaker 1: got mad at the last time for Scotty Pippy. He
Speaker 1: said Michael Jordan was a horrible player.
Speaker 3: Just let me make my point. I've seen Michael Jordan play,
Speaker 3: and then he gave you context. I've seen Michael Jordan
Speaker 3: play before I came to the Bulls. You guys have
Speaker 3: seen him play. He was horrible to play with. That
Speaker 3: was a common theme throughout Michael Jordan's earlier career. When
Speaker 3: I was young, people talked about Michael Jordan as a
Speaker 3: fucking hot dog.
Speaker 2: I get that the narrative has been rerolled because horrible play.
Speaker 1: It's Okay, it's okay, it's old fucking ky because he
Speaker 1: still became Michael fucking Jordan's. But it's not like he's saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan can't play basketball. Michael Jordan is not the
Speaker 1: greatest shooting guard.
Speaker 3: He's saying. Y'all, dudes, keep trying to do this, but
Speaker 3: look at what's going on. You're undervowing, what undervaluing. It's
Speaker 3: crazy to say that Michael Jordan could be overrated, but
Speaker 3: it's really true. That's what you're saying, though, But it's
Speaker 3: true because you guys rate him. You guys rate him
Speaker 3: as if he can win with anybody. That's the belief
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan. It's like, no, he's saying that, though one
Speaker 3: said that, I'm not seeing Michael Jordan's saying that. Notice
Speaker 3: my issues with basketball players. It's never the basketball players.
Speaker 3: It's you.
Speaker 2: You know, when Dave Chapelle said that, ye, who does
Speaker 2: that sound like.
Speaker 3: It sounds like you?
Speaker 2: You do that, say Michael Jordan is the greatest player ever.
Speaker 2: You will do that, not Michael Jordan. Jordan's never said.
Speaker 3: I'm a greatest That's a lie. Never lie, that's a lie.
Speaker 3: You want me to find a video.
Speaker 2: I'm saying what you want me to find a video.
Speaker 3: It's a literal video of him saying, when I leave
Speaker 3: the game, I would like to think that I was
Speaker 3: the greatest.
Speaker 2: That's not the same as saying I am.
Speaker 3: Do you believe you're player? And he said when I
Speaker 3: leave the game, I would like to think that I
Speaker 3: was the greatest. He's that's his that's again being modest
Speaker 3: about a concept. He's never said there's only one player
Speaker 3: in history that said he was the greatest basketball player
Speaker 3: on the plane.
Speaker 4: That's a lie.
Speaker 3: That's only.
Speaker 4: Another lie.
Speaker 3: You just said the only one guy ever you telling lies.
Speaker 3: I've never heard another guy in my life say that,
Speaker 3: and I've been watching basketball for a long time, forty years.
Speaker 4: There's literally an interview in which when viral is fucking
Speaker 4: what Scottie Pippen said, Michael Jordan would never say that
Speaker 4: because he has too respect for history. That's out of
Speaker 4: Scottie Pippin's mouth is that Michael.
Speaker 3: Jordan is not the problem. Scotty Pippen is not the problem.
Speaker 3: These the times of the world are the problems.
Speaker 2: The problem is, listen, Lebron James is not a problem.
Speaker 1: I always say this, even like Lebron James. You cannot
Speaker 1: hate or love Lebron James. Lebron James is like hick
Speaker 1: him up. It's not over flavored. You just it's moist.
Speaker 2: So you just enjoy the wholeness of it all that
Speaker 2: the replenishment. You just enjoy it's happening.
Speaker 3: But when people start to talk about how great the
Speaker 3: flavory is of it, they go to fucking far. It's
Speaker 3: everybody else. It's not Michael Jordan's Michael Jordan's fucking He
Speaker 3: did what he had to do. It's up to you.
Speaker 2: But y'all get out of fucking control.
Speaker 3: And so, oh, Michael Jordan's great. They ever play the
Speaker 3: game positions, he's better than deal with. He's accomplished one, bro.
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up. No, he fucking didn't. I know this, motherfucker.
Speaker 3: I remember when my guy, my favorite player, Magic Johnson,
Speaker 3: they was the guys when he couldn't have shit. He
Speaker 3: had to wait till he got Scotty fucking Pippin.
Speaker 2: That's not a knot. That's not to say he didn't
Speaker 2: go on to become the great.
Speaker 3: What did Magic have to wait for when he came
Speaker 3: into the league as a rookie playing with the guy
Speaker 3: that won m v P the year before that ship
Speaker 3: don't matter that any nigga. They barely was making the playoffs.
Speaker 3: You don't want to pitch.
Speaker 2: Let me say my point, is Michael Jordan on the
Speaker 2: team when it came we do the.
Speaker 3: Same wall the way?
Speaker 5: Wait wait wait, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Not a king with Kareem. Put Mike on the team
Speaker 3: with Kareem.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work, all right, Mike, we never saw.
Speaker 3: To play with the big man's. I have no idea
Speaker 3: that wo work. By the way, I do what I do.
Speaker 5: I do want to say this because I have set
Speaker 5: up here and watched. I think it was Lakers Blazers
Speaker 5: seventy eight. Gee, the Lakers guards couldn't get the ball
Speaker 5: up the court.
Speaker 3: It was horrible. They literally couldn't get So Michael Jordan's
Speaker 3: coming into the list playing with Kareem wouldn't have been
Speaker 3: able to get the ball off the court the year
Speaker 3: after it's coming. No way, we don't know, bro. We
Speaker 3: never saw Mike acting like Magic. Johnson got put into
Speaker 3: some fucking bad situation. Magic was that nigga out of college,
Speaker 3: and so was Michael Jordan. Jacks Worthy was that Kareem
Speaker 3: jam James Worthy was that nigga to college Gee Magic
Speaker 3: came onto a team with James Worthy and Magic.
Speaker 2: James Worthy didn't even come to two.
Speaker 3: Actually he didn't. He didn't. You're right, you're right. It was.
Speaker 2: To listen to me.
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson was that nigga coming out of college and
Speaker 1: into the NBA. They literally wanted to make him the
Speaker 1: m v P of what gave it to Kareem, but
Speaker 1: they wanted to make him the m v P.
Speaker 3: It was like, we can't give it to a rookie.
Speaker 3: It has no presidents. That's actually a lot. They gave
Speaker 3: the award to Magic because Kareem wasn't. They gave him
Speaker 3: the finals MVP because they weren't gonna give him no
Speaker 3: fucking regular season. It was.
Speaker 2: That's how fucking awesome he was, Fucking Magic Johnson.
Speaker 1: The point I'm making, the point I am making to
Speaker 1: you is Michael Jordan was these things.
Speaker 2: Gott he Pipping was saying. That's how people looked at
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3: Because he didn't play with great players. To start, he
Speaker 3: had he had a thirty five year old George Gervin
Speaker 3: on his team when he was a fucking rig style.
Speaker 3: Kareem thirty. Did you really just name Orlando Wooden? It
Speaker 3: was solid, man, Get the fuck out of nigga. It's
Speaker 3: not that much compared to Kareem. I knew Jamar, Michael
Speaker 3: Jordan or Norm Nixon. He he better than Norm Nixon.
Speaker 3: Out of my house right now. Tell me, George, the
Speaker 3: situation would have been different. I don't know.
Speaker 2: All right, bro it is Magic Johnson.
Speaker 3: All right, brof this ischould have been different. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It is magic Johnson Brown before Mike got there. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you keep reducing Magic Johnson. Damn it is Magic Johnson,
Speaker 3: and it is Michael Jordan's and it was.
Speaker 4: Guard.
Speaker 3: It's the greatest point guard with magic.
Speaker 5: Was the thirteen game increase. They went from losing in
Speaker 5: the second round and five to winning the championship.
Speaker 3: I just want to say that with.
Speaker 2: Kareem hurt, Kareem wasn't hurt the whole year.
Speaker 3: What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: He got hurt when it mattered.
Speaker 5: They went from losing in the second round in five
Speaker 5: games to the Sonics and win it for his seven games,
Speaker 5: to win its sixty games and win the championship.
Speaker 2: Oh so, oh so cool.
Speaker 3: So magic came to a good team. Okay, that's on
Speaker 3: the way tv TV TV, No further tv tv TV.
Speaker 3: That's the Thunders record. That is the Russell Westbrook thunder
Speaker 3: teams record. What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: That is forty point forty seven and thirty five is
Speaker 5: the Russell Westbrook thunder seam.
Speaker 2: So it's a good team. What you mean?
Speaker 3: It's a good team?
Speaker 2: So Russell Westbrook played for a good team.
Speaker 3: What's Kareem not the star and won MVP that year?
Speaker 4: The difference is this area?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, my same no, it's the same
Speaker 3: point I'm making if Kareem was out there with essentially
Speaker 3: quote unquote nobody or solid team won forty seven games RUSS.
Speaker 3: Same thing, y'all told me RUSS team was good. Did
Speaker 3: y'all not just say that? So if you put Magic
Speaker 3: fucking Johnson on either one of them teams, they're not
Speaker 3: gonna be better.
Speaker 2: If you put Magic Johnson on that Bulls team their way.
Speaker 3: No, that's not what I just asked you. Why y'all
Speaker 3: answer questions?
Speaker 2: I just gave you a better answer.
Speaker 3: Why you can't answer question as better if you put
Speaker 3: Magic Johnson on that Ross team? Because you all are
Speaker 3: the one that just said that. Okay, see ship, I
Speaker 3: didn't just say that a second ago.
Speaker 1: If you put Magic Johnson on rough team in the
Speaker 1: NBA in history, they're much better team.
Speaker 2: Their playoff team. Pin on the team, any team in history.
Speaker 3: Pin on the team.
Speaker 2: There's not a team. He's not telling them. Tell him
Speaker 2: to go play with George Gervin and all them guys
Speaker 2: that might play. He makes them a playoff team.
Speaker 3: Was a playoff team, but they had a negative five record.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't have a negative file. They would have never
Speaker 3: had a negative five hundred one.
Speaker 2: Good Mike won.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 2: They still not saying Mike was it. We're not saying what.
Speaker 3: Player before I came there? Really, Scott, he was a person.
Speaker 3: I just listen to it. You want me to pull
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 2: I gave you the context of it.
Speaker 3: No, fuck the context actually whatever the man's saying. He
Speaker 3: said this as well, do you want to put it up?
Speaker 3: I literally was listening to it while y'all was talking.
Speaker 2: I remember it.
Speaker 3: Every No, no, we're not talking everybody. Everybody put up
Speaker 3: the first line. He said that what you said? He was? What?
Speaker 6: He what?
Speaker 3: He more? When said he was a horble player to
Speaker 3: play with.
Speaker 2: That's what he was talking about when he said he's
Speaker 2: a horrible player.
Speaker 3: It's just not player, it's just Scotty and he can't talk.
Speaker 3: So now you so now again, like I said, you
Speaker 3: gonna make Scotty say what he didn't say because you
Speaker 3: wanted to mean what you want to.
Speaker 2: Well, he'm so so you're gonna let me play the
Speaker 2: Clifton listen, just leave the Clion.
Speaker 1: He went further on his point to explain what he meant.
Speaker 1: It's all we're saying to you, Tom, this is the.
Speaker 3: Whole player to play with. That wasn't the crazyest, David?
Speaker 3: Can you add my share screen to the thing?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
Speaker 3: There was even a point in time which people said
Speaker 3: somebody could never lead the league talking. Let Scotty Pippin talk.
Speaker 6: Ron would be the greatest statistical guy to ever play
Speaker 6: the game or buy basketball. It's not wrong, and there's
Speaker 6: no comparison to him, none.
Speaker 2: And I don't even like that, so I disagree that's
Speaker 2: probably the worst.
Speaker 6: Greatest player to ever play the game. I leave that
Speaker 6: out for debatings because I don't believe that there's a
Speaker 6: great player. Because our game is a team game. One
Speaker 6: player can't do it like I've seen Michael Jordan's play
Speaker 6: before I came to play with the Bulls. You goys
Speaker 6: seen him play. He's a horrible player. He was horrible
Speaker 6: to play with.
Speaker 3: Thank you, stop fucking lying.
Speaker 6: He was.
Speaker 3: When he went further, he said he was able to
Speaker 3: play with. That's literally what he say. He was able player.
Speaker 3: He was able to play with. They cut it off.
Speaker 3: So what is a horrible player? Then you use the
Speaker 3: word horrible about him? He said he was a horrible
Speaker 3: player country with how the he know he wasn't playing
Speaker 3: with Michael times with three niggas open and everybody said
Speaker 3: that he had George Gervin on his team shooting the
Speaker 3: fucking ball on them times.
Speaker 2: Bro, do you not fucking old George govern wasn't that
Speaker 2: right now? Y'all give Lebron James right?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 4: What year did Gervin tell me how many points?
Speaker 2: He average?
Speaker 3: Was?
Speaker 4: Still early eighties?
Speaker 2: Girvin was nasty, Bro, You're not the man.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no, no like that.
Speaker 3: No, no, that's Kevin to sit up here and fucking
Speaker 3: lie George Gervin. We was thirty two years old, average
Speaker 3: sixteen points, two rebounds and one point eight six we
Speaker 3: talking about a guy that was Olf Desent's hell, bro G,
Speaker 3: he was not the same fucking guy he was God,
Speaker 3: he was over the hell. He would literally didn't play
Speaker 3: anymore after that year. This is last year in the NBA.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? He played eighty two games,
Speaker 3: and he played the next year, he played eighty two games.
Speaker 3: He played, he started seventy five of them. He played
Speaker 3: twenty five minutes. He shot the ball at forty percent,
Speaker 3: he shot eighty eight percent from the free throw line.
Speaker 3: He ever sixteen points of twenty five fucking minutes. He's
Speaker 3: not over the fucking hill.
Speaker 4: People are good at three throws.
Speaker 3: Then then why did he then? Why did he playing
Speaker 3: Italy the next year? Not playing the league because he
Speaker 3: wanted too. You want a nigga, because he wasn't fucking
Speaker 3: good no more, and it was over what.
Speaker 2: You mean, he wasn't good?
Speaker 3: Head teams, bro TV, you want you to cut on
Speaker 3: the fucking Bulls game from that season and watch George
Speaker 3: Gervin and tell me that's the same fucking George Gerdy.
Speaker 3: I remember that game as a kid. It's the iceman,
Speaker 3: bro I'm not talking about a game. Turn on any
Speaker 3: one of them and.
Speaker 2: Some of those A lot of the men come on TV.
Speaker 3: Back then, he was melted ice back then. He was
Speaker 3: not the iceman. He was defrosted back then.
Speaker 2: Bro George Gervin on line you up for that ship,
Speaker 2: let him line me up.
Speaker 3: Hen you know, he was defrosted back then. He wasn't nice.
Speaker 3: He was throwing the fuck out.
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan was a hot dog.
Speaker 3: It's okay, and everybody said it, and they were right,
Speaker 3: all right, he was that's fine, but don't but don't
Speaker 3: change the man.
Speaker 2: Words don't change the man.
Speaker 3: He said, he was over, you're horrible to play with.
Speaker 3: He shut it off, he said it, and then he
Speaker 3: tried to clean it up because he know he's scared.
Speaker 2: No, he he's hearing them.
Speaker 4: G G.
Speaker 3: Everybody just ain't eloquent with their words.
Speaker 2: Bro Nigga knocked, maybe knock like he's some tough ass.
Speaker 3: Maybe he should shut the fuck up. Then if he
Speaker 3: made the words, he didn't make a point. He did.
Speaker 3: He's saying, y'all saw him play. He was horrible to
Speaker 3: play with. He was a horrible player. And he's lying.
Speaker 2: He's not lying.
Speaker 3: It's videos of three niggas being open.
Speaker 2: Mike that nigga.
Speaker 3: Shoot, now, he might have made it, but what the
Speaker 3: fuck bro like, No, they're there.
Speaker 2: The big part is Mike playing eighteen games is rookie
Speaker 2: year anyways?
Speaker 3: No? No, no second year when he that's that's year,
Speaker 3: second eighty four, eighty five, second played.
Speaker 2: Let me make this man, We're gonna be this.
Speaker 3: That's all the fucking last days lie. Remember when they
Speaker 3: acted like fucking he just came back with the last
Speaker 3: five games off of broke foot. No, they worked him in.
Speaker 3: He played this minute, is this minute?
Speaker 2: Is this minute?
Speaker 3: It was a couple of with the last fucking line.
Speaker 3: So you want them to say, oh, well, Mike played
Speaker 3: eighteen games and we slowly brought him back on the
Speaker 3: bit and then the playoffs at yes, because they made
Speaker 3: me believe this.
Speaker 5: Nigga just came out with a broken foot forty played
Speaker 5: forty minutes.
Speaker 3: And if you want a manuscript of history, read a
Speaker 3: fucking book, not watch a documentary. And now a documentary,
Speaker 3: nigga put it in there. If you want a manuscript
Speaker 3: of the fucking bulls history, read a fucking book and
Speaker 3: not watch a documentary. The reason is there's a lot
Speaker 3: of documentaries that leave shit out that don't make dementary
Speaker 3: and valid because they left one point out. Fucking in man.
Speaker 1: The reason I've never got into the the Last Dance
Speaker 1: is because it is Michael Jordan's mind. Cast is really
Speaker 1: his propaganda to push his greatness, and you don't need
Speaker 1: it because you're Michael Jordan already.
Speaker 2: But that's fine. Look, that's not all that.
Speaker 4: It was. Let me go back to trying to use
Speaker 4: that and make a popularity piece for viewership. Greatness that
Speaker 4: already existed. They were trying to leverage greatness that existed
Speaker 4: for profits, so they amplified the point for marketing purposes
Speaker 4: in facts.
Speaker 2: Agreed. I agree, Yeah, that's exactly like like the Nazis
Speaker 2: were great, but they just you and you and ya.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that you.
Speaker 1: Listen, greatness is impactful. It's not you have to agree
Speaker 1: with it. It just means it's impactful.
Speaker 4: They had a good little military run there for a second.
Speaker 4: First that.
Speaker 2: It's not the point.
Speaker 3: Let me let me go back to something that he
Speaker 3: said right there. Let me go back to something he
Speaker 3: said right there, right He said.
Speaker 1: Lebron James is the greatest statistical basketball player.
Speaker 2: I hate when people say that.
Speaker 1: And you know why, They say that because they like, well,
Speaker 1: Lebron James is he's number one in scoring and he's
Speaker 1: top five in assists, Like, there are only a few
Speaker 1: guys to have top five and statistical categories. Until you
Speaker 1: look and you look at who has the most points
Speaker 1: in blocks, who has the most points in rebounds, there
Speaker 1: are guys in the top five of both categories.
Speaker 2: If we're being.
Speaker 3: Honest, Will is the greatest statistical player to ever play basketball.
Speaker 3: Who Wilt Chamberlain agreed. Yeah, yeah, if we talk about
Speaker 3: purely stats, he is like literally, one year he averaged
Speaker 3: let me see, we just literally just straight talking the stats.
Speaker 3: He averaged like fifty points a game, twenty five point
Speaker 3: seven rebounds, and two point four.
Speaker 2: Assists on fifty percent before they counted blocks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was way before they counted blocks and Will
Speaker 3: and Will has thirty thousand points and twenty three thousand
Speaker 3: rebounds and four thousand, six hundred assists. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 3: bad motherfucker. Will was tough. He would be tougher for
Speaker 3: Bill Russell. Bill Russells. Bill, we had discussion. Bill Russell
Speaker 3: was there before. We're not doing this right now exactly.
Speaker 2: He owns him.
Speaker 3: But it was the same way.
Speaker 4: Early and it wasn't anyway.
Speaker 3: It didn't count, Doctor King was he was still alive.
Speaker 2: Good looking.
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