Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast it's fresh out of Sunny Drops.
Speaker 2: No from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It is around
Speaker 2: the NFL. I am Dan Hansis I have heroes here
Speaker 2: because there is no off season for around the NFL.
Speaker 1: We're so, We've been told Mark.
Speaker 2: Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, and yes, because God damn it, we
Speaker 2: need it right now.
Speaker 1: One more person. Chnie Shannie's the queen queen.
Speaker 2: She is the queen of NFL media.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Great to be here.
Speaker 2: A lot of competition for queen of NFL media, but
Speaker 2: well maybe not, but you are absolutely the queen of
Speaker 2: around the NFL and and really all areas where you roam.
Speaker 3: Wow, thank you so much. That's great.
Speaker 4: I love being, you know, a regal member of society,
Speaker 4: and this is great.
Speaker 5: We've asked Patrick Claibon, who has a host of songs too,
Speaker 5: like if he and we've encouraged him because he doesn't
Speaker 5: do this, like to blast these like anthems suggesting how
Speaker 5: great he is, how some how statuesque like inside his
Speaker 5: house so that his significant other understands the weight of what.
Speaker 1: She's been given in what she's scored.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and like so Gonzo at this point, it's
Speaker 5: about eleven forty four am, probably in a bathroom, wandering
Speaker 5: around at your compaly does he need to be reminded?
Speaker 5: And would you willingly do that?
Speaker 4: Or I just have it as my ringtone, so I
Speaker 4: just walk around everywhere unless people know efficient.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg, how are you, Bud? I'm great? Good, good show,
Speaker 1: big show coming up.
Speaker 2: It is the return of the around the NFL Glossary
Speaker 2: of terms because this off season just because right now,
Speaker 2: well OTAs kicked off, so in a lot of ways, football's.
Speaker 1: Football is back back.
Speaker 6: In some ways Monday they started throwing the pigskin around yep,
Speaker 6: in some ways, Mark, in some ways, I will go
Speaker 6: that far.
Speaker 2: So to celebrate the return of football, why not open
Speaker 2: up the glossary and give the people you know a
Speaker 2: real above the tree tops view of what the current
Speaker 2: landscape of the NFL.
Speaker 1: That's what today is all about.
Speaker 2: And I feel like Colleen, that's a public service that
Speaker 2: we can offer that I believe will connect with the audience.
Speaker 3: I think so too.
Speaker 4: This is one of my favorite episodes that we do.
Speaker 4: I love all the off season episodes and I'm happy
Speaker 4: to help provide the service.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Yeah, all right, you want to get into it,
Speaker 1: Let's do it. We're going to try to get through it.
Speaker 1: We did it in two parts last year. We're going
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 3: And I I'm just sorry over under on time for this.
Speaker 5: I will say, we flippantly, flippantly, with very little discussion
Speaker 5: cited just to pack it back into one episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see last year.
Speaker 4: Last year Mark said we were on like letter D
Speaker 4: and we were forty minutes.
Speaker 5: That was two years ago, and then last year we
Speaker 5: decided to cut it into two.
Speaker 1: But it's back into one big cake. But here it is.
Speaker 1: Here it is, here's your face, Here's where it goes. Greg.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, the conversation will dictate, like unless we want to
Speaker 2: do a two hour show, which we don't typically want
Speaker 2: to do. Mark, and I know you don't want to
Speaker 2: do so, but the conversation will dictate.
Speaker 5: Whatever it takes. But are control and yet we have
Speaker 5: no control.
Speaker 2: You can say that again, brother, all right, let's get
Speaker 2: into it. Let's start. I'll get it going. We all
Speaker 2: got tagged with a certain amount of letters and I
Speaker 2: got a so A in the glossary of the terms
Speaker 2: announcing retirement, announcing retirement, and who was announcing their retirement.
Speaker 2: David Johnson, All Pro running back with the Cardinals, he
Speaker 2: has announced his retirement after eight seasons in the NFL.
Speaker 2: He wrote Sunday in an Instagram post that he is
Speaker 2: quote looking forward to the next career path in life.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know what it will be, but he hopes
Speaker 2: it brings him the same passion, excitement, and love.
Speaker 1: As football debt.
Speaker 2: Drafted by the Cardinals in the third round of the
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen draft, he is in the And then this
Speaker 2: will get to my second point, the around the NFL era.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite players when he was at his peak,
Speaker 2: and his peak wasn't very long. He was a true
Speaker 2: do it all guy. He got first team All Pro honors.
Speaker 2: When he is at his peak in twenty sixteen, led
Speaker 2: the league reggie three hundred and seventy three touches, twenty
Speaker 2: one hundred yards from scrimmage, twenty touchdowns and also, like
Speaker 2: from everything we hear an a plus dude, great teammate,
Speaker 2: and an underdog who turned into a superstar.
Speaker 1: So part one of this is David Johnson retired.
Speaker 6: An absolutely ridiculous dominant season, like up there with the
Speaker 6: best seasons we've seen at running back or almost any
Speaker 6: position since we started doing the show. I remember how
Speaker 6: much Wes loved David Johnson as a rookie where he
Speaker 6: was a big part of that twenty fifteen team that
Speaker 6: we kind of fell in love with with the Cardinals,
Speaker 6: and then he was even better the year after that.
Speaker 6: There really haven't like there hasn't been a season since
Speaker 6: then of a player that put that many yards from
Speaker 6: scrimmage in that many touchdowns together in the same season
Speaker 6: since Like, that's how good he was then. And unfortunately
Speaker 6: he's like everyone thinks like injuries don't matter anymore. You
Speaker 6: just assume thirty nine year olds off torn achilles are
Speaker 6: going to be fine, Like sometimes injuries do matter.
Speaker 1: He was never really the same.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it kind of reminds me a little bit of
Speaker 5: like the career arc of Terrell Davis, who, you know,
Speaker 5: minus injuries, could have done eight to nine years of
Speaker 5: what he did, but he was so dominant in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5: You mentioned the numbers, and I do recall West just
Speaker 5: like like West could see running backs before other people, like,
Speaker 5: especially in the preseason.
Speaker 1: Be the one thing that he watched the preseason.
Speaker 3: It's like one of his superpowers.
Speaker 5: It really was, and it was like it was based
Speaker 5: on health. It's based on a lot of things. It's
Speaker 5: like I can't think of too many like ap like
Speaker 5: level all pro type players that were taken away by
Speaker 5: injury the way he was, because he never was the same.
Speaker 4: I just remember what a big deal it was when
Speaker 4: he was traded to Houston for DeAndre Hopkins in Arizona.
Speaker 4: That was, like, I feel like I can remember where
Speaker 4: I was when that trade happened for some reason, and.
Speaker 2: I remember being at the All or Nothing documentary premiere downtown.
Speaker 2: Jay Zumwalt was with me, you know, a diehard Cardinals fan,
Speaker 2: and I'll always.
Speaker 1: Remember that moment.
Speaker 2: He's in the theater with us amongst all the other
Speaker 2: luminaries of that Cardinals twenty fifteen Cardinals team that was
Speaker 2: documented on that series. And there's a scene where their
Speaker 2: running backs coach Stump Mitchell tells Johnson that he should
Speaker 2: be a Hall of Famer once his playing careers were over,
Speaker 2: so people who knew saw the talent that he had.
Speaker 2: He fell short of that. Obviously his body didn't quite cooperate.
Speaker 2: But my other point I was going to make I
Speaker 2: think of fun off season activity and I've mentioned a
Speaker 2: few times, but I think this is the year we
Speaker 2: do it. We either make an ATN all time team
Speaker 2: like twenty thirteen to president, who's the greatest?
Speaker 1: The roster of the ATN all timers'd be fun.
Speaker 2: Another idea, because I thought it'd be fun, we could
Speaker 2: like reference and sit during the season if we made
Speaker 2: an at and one hundred or eight and fifty top
Speaker 2: players in the game right now where they rank on
Speaker 2: our list, either or something that kind of celebrates that.
Speaker 2: Second idea is more like the current landscape. But I
Speaker 2: do like looking back and would David Johnson be in
Speaker 2: that conversation?
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not. It's not a career thing.
Speaker 5: It's like we let our group fell in love with
Speaker 5: a collection of players.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I like that, just workshop and some some things for
Speaker 4: the future.
Speaker 3: That's fun.
Speaker 1: We do like the team. I like the ATN all.
Speaker 2: Right, ATN All Time team coming up later this summer.
Speaker 1: Mark, I like that are your research? I will now
Speaker 1: all right, all right, I'm up here we go.
Speaker 3: B B.
Speaker 4: Colleen b is for blurred, as in the relationship status
Speaker 4: between a player and their team. So T Higgins who
Speaker 4: requested a trade, who hasn't signed his tag yet who
Speaker 4: skipped voluntary workouts but said that he'll play for the
Speaker 4: Bengals this year. You have Trey Hendrickson who returned to
Speaker 4: the team after requesting that trade because he wanted the
Speaker 4: long term deal. There's plenty of examples of this. Justin
Speaker 4: Jefferson another one.
Speaker 3: I talked to t J.
Speaker 4: Howkinson last week on the schedule release show and he
Speaker 4: was saying, because you know the JJ McCarthy is there, now,
Speaker 4: there's multiple JJ's on the team, So Justin Jefferson will
Speaker 4: now be known as just Jets, which could be confusing for.
Speaker 2: Some Dan that feels like doesn't solve the problem, it
Speaker 2: just creates a new one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but hey, I mean, I guess there can only
Speaker 4: be one JJ perteam. But the whole situation with the Cowboys,
Speaker 4: how murky that is right now with Ceedee Lamb not
Speaker 4: knowing where his contract is because he's waiting for the
Speaker 4: DAK contract to go down, and obviously Michael Parsons needs
Speaker 4: to be paid. There's plenty more, but a lot is blurred.
Speaker 6: Blaird lines a classic that really hasn't held up either
Speaker 6: as the singer. Has any trade request ever been summarily
Speaker 6: like ignored and disregarded as much as Trey Hendrickson's great question.
Speaker 6: They did not care about it. And he was back immediately,
Speaker 6: and he just was like, well, I love this team.
Speaker 6: I gotta admit I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: It was just like it was.
Speaker 2: A I see your Trey Henderson. I raised you Austin
Speaker 2: Eckler last summer.
Speaker 1: It was like a story. It was like a story.
Speaker 1: And he stayed away. We gave some attention.
Speaker 6: Hendrickson was just like, hey, I tried, and then showed
Speaker 6: up like five days later and everything.
Speaker 3: He gave up a little too soon.
Speaker 1: We camped in.
Speaker 5: But yeah, even Burrow was like, that's fine. If he
Speaker 5: wants to get traded.
Speaker 1: He's a player. He deserves to him.
Speaker 6: If he wants to. But then nothing comes of it. Jefferson,
Speaker 6: is it under the radar here? Something to keep an
Speaker 6: eye on, Jefferson.
Speaker 3: Hayward too, you're on it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, See we're moving fast here.
Speaker 1: See so you just jinxed it, all right? My word
Speaker 1: is cod piece one of the grossest things medieval.
Speaker 6: It was a piece of me.
Speaker 1: Were you wearing a cod piece of the Renaissance? Didn't
Speaker 1: I just it does feel like it would be of
Speaker 1: a piece. I don't know if you can just go
Speaker 1: purchase one at a it was. I did some research.
Speaker 6: It is a piece of material worn by men in
Speaker 6: the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries to c.
Speaker 1: It's mentioned in Shakespeare like sixter. I mean, think about
Speaker 1: it too, like the cod piece.
Speaker 2: It you know it it makes you look enormous, you know,
Speaker 2: and I feel like that's a good thing.
Speaker 6: To Okay, So back then, I think it was before.
Speaker 1: There was like the miracle bra, there was the cod piece.
Speaker 1: It was just fabric.
Speaker 6: In modern times, for our purposes, the athletic Cup sort
Speaker 6: of functions as the cod piece. And I just wanted
Speaker 6: to point out the off season is a no cod
Speaker 6: piece necessary environment. Oh, TA phase three starts today, as
Speaker 6: you mentioned, so many teams, uh, and there will be takes.
Speaker 6: Is I brought this around to having some sort of
Speaker 6: an alza. There will be takes based on whatever happens
Speaker 6: in the next ten practices of OTA Phase three, but
Speaker 6: there shouldn't be. No live contact is allowed, no tackling.
Speaker 6: There was a point even since we were covering the game,
Speaker 6: that there was life contact, that there was way more
Speaker 6: there used to be seventeen or eighteen o d's there
Speaker 6: used to be too, Minnie camps, two of them. They
Speaker 6: could have six days of like hitting and stuff in
Speaker 6: the off season that was in the oughts. But I
Speaker 6: remember none of that is allowed, and that's fine. I
Speaker 6: think it should be a teaching period. But it also
Speaker 6: means no evaluation necessary. It's just teaching, and you know learning.
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams could throw a meatspirer now no take Well,
Speaker 2: we've got to ignore those things.
Speaker 1: And I think if a codpiece necessary?
Speaker 5: Right, People that have listened to this show for a
Speaker 5: long time, yes have are they're up on this. I
Speaker 5: think they realized there are portions of the off season
Speaker 5: that you just glanced beyond and get to the next.
Speaker 6: It's a perfect pay just to make that public service announced.
Speaker 1: I think we have to this.
Speaker 3: I'm in a cod piece rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: Well, they're on the company laptop. We'll check back with
Speaker 2: you later. Let's move to the letter D with Mark Sessler.
Speaker 2: All Right, I did these my way, so it's gonna
Speaker 2: just be what it is.
Speaker 3: Oh, I love this.
Speaker 1: All right, D is for Doma. You don't have to
Speaker 1: give us that we know. Can I get three sentences
Speaker 1: in a row. That's why I am the g I'm
Speaker 1: just letting you know. You don't need to know it.
Speaker 5: His favorite part of that he is for Dom De
Speaker 5: Sandro Yes Okay, Senior Advisor to the GM and Chief
Speaker 5: Security Officer for the Philadelphia Eagles East Coast Jesus. Big
Speaker 5: Dom is more like Buddha, though anyone close to him
Speaker 5: with a sense of the beyond sees that clear as day.
Speaker 5: Sit in place, in peace and cast off anger from
Speaker 5: the jealous. Sit in silence and feel the world burn
Speaker 5: into your beautiful body. Big Dom has hired a local painter,
Speaker 5: Jose Wiggins, to paint full portraits of Dom as he
Speaker 5: sits in his small Philly based garden around him or
Speaker 5: sunflowers and wind of the willows. In each portrait, Jose
Speaker 5: Wiggins has been instructed to include the image of Howie
Speaker 5: Roseman's standing beside Big Dom in the garden, Howie Roseman
Speaker 5: in deep prayer.
Speaker 1: They are one with the gods.
Speaker 5: When seven large pizzas arrive along with five kegs of
Speaker 5: domestic beer, Dom treats Jose Wiggins as a treasured guest.
Speaker 5: Jose Wiggins gets the first pick of meat Lover's pizza.
Speaker 5: He is allowed to rest in the garden of sunflowers.
Speaker 5: Then Big Dom paints Jose Wiggins in acrylic on a
Speaker 5: canvas that sits in the shade by KEG number two
Speaker 5: large glasses of chilled beer or drank all afternoon as
Speaker 5: Dom and Jose Wiggins celebrate what is to come, fourteen
Speaker 5: regular season wins for a team whose religious centerpiece will
Speaker 5: be crucified no more Big Dom.
Speaker 3: I mean that was gorgeous. That was amazing.
Speaker 1: I think it's huge of these back.
Speaker 5: I think it matters more than people realize. Inside the building,
Speaker 5: it's massive. I ate the security guy on the.
Speaker 2: Sideline, I'm trying to get wins.
Speaker 1: Here we come.
Speaker 6: He's more than that. He's the senior advisor to the
Speaker 6: general manager slash chief security officer entering its twenty fifth
Speaker 6: He got a big the lifeblood of that team, Dan.
Speaker 6: So it was funny at the Sixers.
Speaker 4: Game waiting for a response from him, Babe about East
Speaker 4: Coast Jesus.
Speaker 1: He was out of the Sixers.
Speaker 6: They introduced Dom, and they introduced the recent draft picks.
Speaker 6: They were both watching a Sixers playoff game. Dom got
Speaker 6: bigger Pops.
Speaker 3: That's the most is he forever has been fits the town.
Speaker 1: There's nothing else to say, what else is there saying?
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a whole lot more to great
Speaker 1: job Mark. Everything just funnels into the same place.
Speaker 3: I would like to.
Speaker 4: See some of Wiggans work too. Like portfolio is our portfolio.
Speaker 2: This is kind of an extension of your first one.
Speaker 2: He is for extension drama, the Jared Goff contract, extension
Speaker 2: of Detroit. It's going to reverberate across the NFL landscape,
Speaker 2: but perhaps the tremors will be felt most in South Beach.
Speaker 2: It's to a situation, is interesting situation, it's a certified situation.
Speaker 2: This is Diana Rassini's reporting. Dolphin's QB two Tunga Bai
Speaker 2: Looa is in the building for the start of Dolphins
Speaker 2: OTAs per source, the QB is slated to become the
Speaker 2: next quarterback to receive a big payday, but the sides
Speaker 2: are in negotiations. Tuas said he was planning on attending
Speaker 2: the workout, so that's good. You don't want to have
Speaker 2: that thing where the quarterback is out in the media
Speaker 2: fighting battles. He is one of the five quarterbacks selected
Speaker 2: in the first two rounds of the twenty twenty NFL Draft,
Speaker 2: along with Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurtz.
Speaker 2: He's the only one that has not signed a second deal.
Speaker 2: And then you look at the money and you see
Speaker 2: that Burrow and Herbert signed deals worth two seventy five
Speaker 2: and two sixty two million, respectively.
Speaker 1: Hurts two fifty five million.
Speaker 2: Love is kind of in a different bucket obviously, but
Speaker 2: he signed that one year deal worth thirteen and a
Speaker 2: half and guaranteed. But that was only one season as
Speaker 2: a starter so far, but total guarantees are big. It's
Speaker 2: around two hundred million, give or take twenty million for
Speaker 2: all the guys, and they have to make a decision
Speaker 2: obviously around two whether he is worth that type of investment.
Speaker 2: I think it's a total flash point around the history
Speaker 2: of the Dolphins. I think it's the if they buy
Speaker 2: in on Tua as their long term guy and he
Speaker 2: has a big, big run here and becomes a true
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback, which they're already calling him one, but I
Speaker 2: don't see it yet. He's going to prove a lot
Speaker 2: of people wrong. But if you invest heavily in the sky,
Speaker 2: that can only get you to a certain place and
Speaker 2: give you some stats and he ends up being an
Speaker 2: albatross on you. It could set the franchise back quite
Speaker 2: a way. So big decision for Miami. I want to
Speaker 2: do it, but I think they're going to I.
Speaker 6: Think they've made their decision. I think they're probably far
Speaker 6: enough in negotiations whatever their offer has been, that he's there,
Speaker 6: that it sounds like they're making some progress. I do
Speaker 6: think him and Goff are in a quite similar situation
Speaker 6: where you can reasonably say the situation around them, the
Speaker 6: system elevates them. For Goff to get all that money,
Speaker 6: and Gof's you know, done a great job as agents
Speaker 6: have done a great job getting a lot of money.
Speaker 6: Maybe it sets a little bit of a groundwork here
Speaker 6: for Tua, and I think they'll end up doing it.
Speaker 6: Goff's deal was really like a three to four year deal,
Speaker 6: depending on how you look at it. The fully fully
Speaker 6: guaranteed money was like one fifteen. It was a little
Speaker 6: less than some of those big time quarterbacks. But you're right,
Speaker 6: like that's a lot of money for a guy that
Speaker 6: most people, including myself, would not have in like the
Speaker 6: top eight.
Speaker 5: I'm with you, though, like I just can you be
Speaker 5: convinced if you're running Miami's front office that if Tyreek
Speaker 5: Hill went down for eleven weeks and you lost Jalen
Speaker 5: Waddle or whoever that too, is just still the same
Speaker 5: guy that's gonna make it work with whoever's around it,
Speaker 5: because like the top quarterback money should go to the
Speaker 5: realistically five or six guys that you know can do that,
Speaker 5: and there's a lack of there are some tiers. You
Speaker 5: know you've got the contract, but it's like there should
Speaker 5: be more tiered contract quarterback scenarios and to it, to
Speaker 5: me needs to be tiered because I don't care about
Speaker 5: the numbers so much, Like I don't know what it is.
Speaker 5: It's just the football fan of me, like I'm a
Speaker 5: little suspicious of who he is minus the system and the.
Speaker 6: Effect Daniel believes in him, which it really feels like
Speaker 6: he does. Then that's gonna be the key part of it.
Speaker 4: But then like the domino effect too from if he
Speaker 4: if he doesn't get the long term deal, like how
Speaker 4: do some of the other quarterbacks in the league proceed
Speaker 4: with their own situations with their teams, Like whether it's
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, whether it's your love.
Speaker 6: Right, I'm curious because Love did get a second contract,
Speaker 6: but it was this weird sort of in between contract.
Speaker 6: I think he's going to get paid this offseason too,
Speaker 6: and that that's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2: And even though Goff and Tua are kind of bedfellows
Speaker 2: and that I think everyone agrees they're not superstars, but
Speaker 2: they're you know, really kind of locked in and loaded
Speaker 2: in trench starters. Goff has had pretty incredible durability. Has
Speaker 2: he missed games in his career? I don't even know,
Speaker 2: and that that factors into No.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 2: Had got through his first season healthy, but the rest
Speaker 2: of his career also has been check mark with serious issues, including.
Speaker 1: Not to be fair. No, that's what I said.
Speaker 2: I mean he got through this year, but that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean now that's not an issue anymore. I mean that
Speaker 2: means he got he was healthy for one year.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: That's part of the reason why it has a tough
Speaker 2: decision up next Glad, I'm not making it up next
Speaker 2: the letter F with colin Es.
Speaker 3: Fastidious is the word.
Speaker 4: It's so fun to say, but as in the detailed
Speaker 4: approach that certain players will take to their off season preparation.
Speaker 4: Players like Kirk Cousins, who has weekly notes from every
Speaker 4: game he's played in as a starter, and he catalogs
Speaker 4: them and folders and tiny little bins, and his whole
Speaker 4: situation has been very detailed. He's learning some new things
Speaker 4: under offensive coordinatornator Zach Robinson, who was the passing game
Speaker 4: coordinator and quarterbacks coach for the past two years, with
Speaker 4: Sean McVay, who obviously has the ties in Washington where
Speaker 4: Kirk was before. So I wonder how many of the
Speaker 4: concepts are going to be that new to him. But
Speaker 4: also he's recovering from the Achilles so he won't be
Speaker 4: active during OTAs anyway, And there's the Michael Pennix junior
Speaker 4: of it all.
Speaker 3: It's not like he's going to immediately.
Speaker 4: Take that job, but if he does pop during these workouts,
Speaker 4: he'll add some flare an additional f word for you
Speaker 4: to the off season.
Speaker 6: I love that good word, and I do think when
Speaker 6: you think the word fastidious, I just imagine Kirk in
Speaker 6: his office in his lab getting and already yeah, being
Speaker 6: oh absolutely, And although to be fair to him, he's
Speaker 6: done a good job adapting. He's always landed with these
Speaker 6: coaches that kind of coach that sort of system, but
Speaker 6: he has had a lot of different coaches, and he
Speaker 6: adapted fairly quickly to Minnesota when he got there.
Speaker 5: Guys think it's like a huge benefit to roll into
Speaker 5: a system that at least like you have some understanding
Speaker 5: of and can be shaped around you versus being thrown
Speaker 5: into something, because I think that delays you a year
Speaker 5: depending on who you are.
Speaker 2: All Right, Letter F was done just now Letter G
Speaker 2: with h G. That's right, triple G.
Speaker 1: So that makes four g's. That's a quadruple G. Very rare.
Speaker 6: And I'm adding one G to the mix here, and
Speaker 6: that is Genghis Khan, who at one point, and this
Speaker 6: is you know, exposing a bit of maybe a flaw
Speaker 6: in our setup here that we had this topic before,
Speaker 6: but this will be a different spin on it. At
Speaker 6: one point, Genghis Khan was the perfect player comp for
Speaker 6: David Johnson, who we mentioned announced his retirement. So for this,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna throw to an audio clip from October of
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen, a week six T and F recap of
Speaker 6: Cardinals forty nine ers, which Wes and I traditionally tacked
Speaker 6: to the top, or at least that year, tacked to
Speaker 6: the top of our preview episode. Back then, one bit
Speaker 6: of context before you listen to it. Randy and started
Speaker 6: Wes and Mark had spent that night watching the game
Speaker 6: together at an unknown location.
Speaker 7: Let's hear it, which brings us back to all or
Speaker 7: Nothing when Honey Bidger's on the sideline saying, that's a
Speaker 7: bigger version of Marshall fulk And what Mark Sessler would
Speaker 7: like everyone to know tonight is David Johnson is like
Speaker 7: Genghis Khan running with the horse and the wind is
Speaker 7: blowing the main and he is taking the Mongolian steps
Speaker 7: while the forty nine ers linebackers are little prairie soldiers
Speaker 7: hiding behind trees hoping David Johnson doesn't trample them.
Speaker 1: And with that over to you, that was they wrapping up.
Speaker 1: So wow, there you go.
Speaker 5: What I wish I could remember what preceded that speech.
Speaker 5: I do know the Genghis Khan has populated half of
Speaker 5: one percent of the entire earth, which is not from
Speaker 5: David Johnson, but would be if David Johnson were healthier.
Speaker 6: Perhaps now that night, I believe David Johnson had about
Speaker 6: one hundred and ninety yards from Scrimmage. There was a
Speaker 6: stack because I ended up you know, listening uh to
Speaker 6: this recap here that him and Fitzgerald had combined for
Speaker 6: ninety two percent of their offense. Yeah, I think he
Speaker 6: had one hundred and ninety four yards. He was doing
Speaker 6: that on the regular. But I do remember that night
Speaker 6: West came in laughing and he had written it on
Speaker 6: his phone in the notes, and it showed it to me.
Speaker 6: So that's why I even was That's why I was
Speaker 6: even laughing before he said it, because I knew. I
Speaker 6: knew what was coming up, Genghis.
Speaker 3: Khan, Prairie Soldiers.
Speaker 2: That was incredible that I could by the the inflection
Speaker 2: in his voice. I'm gonna guess. Was that recorded at
Speaker 2: Culver City Culver City.
Speaker 6: Studient, Yes, and usually we would watch the game there,
Speaker 6: but that day he had gone off with Mark I think,
Speaker 6: and watched it and then come back.
Speaker 5: I would imagine there is a place in Culver City,
Speaker 5: which I believe still exists, called the Garage, which we've
Speaker 5: all been to.
Speaker 1: I would have that was a TNF hangout. Yes, I was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had.
Speaker 2: I had narrowed it down to the cozy Joxers Daily
Speaker 2: or the Garage. Those all were options where televisions were plentiful, excellent,
Speaker 2: great to hear Wes also David Johnson getting Amazing Pop
Speaker 2: set Love.
Speaker 3: It was the David Johnson episode.
Speaker 2: All Right, let's take a break and then we will
Speaker 2: continue on with the glossary of terms. All Right, we
Speaker 2: are back. We are off and rolling here. Let's move
Speaker 2: to h with Mark Sasla.
Speaker 1: All Right.
Speaker 5: H is for Holly Hobby, an innocent children's doll discovered
Speaker 5: during a modern day pirates raid at the Gulf of
Speaker 5: Guinea in March of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Her child owner thrown overboard days ago. She gone poor.
Speaker 5: Holly Hobby is taken from port to port by unhitched pirates.
Speaker 5: Our little doll friend dreams of escape. She knows in
Speaker 5: her belly that some pirates are kind pirates, more aimed
Speaker 5: at human entertainment than modern day raids on ships filled
Speaker 5: with offshoot heroin and stolen crates of fungions. She believes
Speaker 5: the Las Vegas raiders are kind pirates. Here for our
Speaker 5: enjoyment are Sunday thrills. She dreams of Gardner Minshew saving
Speaker 5: her and saying, as he carries her little cloth body
Speaker 5: away from a twenty two person raid vessel, you are
Speaker 5: protected now. Minshew then tells her this we are a
Speaker 5: sneaky nine win team that will be made fun of today,
Speaker 5: but the giggles will cease when Autumn becomes a crucible
Speaker 5: of the damned.
Speaker 3: Oom Holly Hobby.
Speaker 1: There she is, Yeah, that's her. If you're watching, if
Speaker 1: you've ever she's been through.
Speaker 6: Should we subscribe to the YouTube channel or not? This
Speaker 6: is the biggest Give her some fingers, Give her.
Speaker 1: Some fingers in a big spot. That's what I would say.
Speaker 6: Do you feel like Mark is very fascinated with the
Speaker 6: dolls and child equipment or toys from his you know, childhood.
Speaker 5: If I recall them, I I guess that it pop
Speaker 5: when it pops up during the day job.
Speaker 1: You'd have to question that. Greg.
Speaker 6: You're also sneaky supportive of the Raiders in the off season,
Speaker 6: which is very anti where you were a year ago.
Speaker 5: At this year ago, I listed like the four to
Speaker 5: thirteen AFC teams that were better than them and lacerated online.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that.
Speaker 5: I think that they're a little bit of a sneaky
Speaker 5: under the radar operation.
Speaker 2: That what let me ask you a question, what do
Speaker 2: you what is it about them that gives you that
Speaker 2: sense that they're.
Speaker 5: I am more statistically looking at the league in general
Speaker 5: and thinking that every year there's a team that, like
Speaker 5: somehow in their regression candidate the minute the season ends,
Speaker 5: sneaks out nine wins, but they aren't nine win worthy
Speaker 5: and so it doesn't make a lot of logical sense,
Speaker 5: but they keep coming. I was kind of meditating on
Speaker 5: a which team is going to do something we don't
Speaker 5: expect because this happens, And I just kept coming back
Speaker 5: to the Raiders, and it could be as nonsensical a
Speaker 5: take as I have in the entire offseason, but I've just.
Speaker 2: That feels like you are locked and loaded. When we,
Speaker 2: hopefully with Bill Barnwell again, when we do over unders, Yeah,
Speaker 2: well I went under Greg. I think it's six and
Speaker 2: a half. I went over four trying to be logical
Speaker 2: a year ago. So I'm going to go in a
Speaker 2: different You know what, you were logical.
Speaker 6: You weren't off too much about that they weren't better
Speaker 6: than many teams in the FC. Even though they won
Speaker 6: eight games, only three teams four teams had a worse
Speaker 6: record than them, which is strange marks all eight and nine.
Speaker 3: And Abovemo Ballerina, No, but.
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone about Dolly Pops.
Speaker 3: If you recalled dollypops. No, my Prima Ballerina was like
Speaker 3: the ultimate. I wanted one so bad.
Speaker 4: I got it for Christmas, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: my Prima Ballerina disappeared and my parents said that they
Speaker 4: put it down the basement. So I spent I don't know,
Speaker 4: as a child, maybe a year and a half searching
Speaker 4: the basement for my Prima Ballerina.
Speaker 1: Why was it put away?
Speaker 3: They took it back to the store, they.
Speaker 4: Returned it, and they just said that it was down
Speaker 4: in the basement.
Speaker 3: So maybe one day I'll find it.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Holly be kind of brought back some come up with
Speaker 3: the the Suzanne.
Speaker 1: I haven't.
Speaker 3: Well, I've moved on from Suzanne. Now I'm with Andrea.
Speaker 1: You let you let Suzanne.
Speaker 6: You're a psychiatrist go yeah, my therapist therapist.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it seems like emotional to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I did in a text I need I
Speaker 3: needed to move on.
Speaker 1: I was Andrea doing.
Speaker 4: He is great, love Andrea, honestly, lovely, wonderful.
Speaker 1: I'm writing the Stamach.
Speaker 4: She has a vespa that she showed up on before
Speaker 4: our appointment the other day, and I was like, well,
Speaker 4: this is it.
Speaker 1: This is party she does how she comes to your boot?
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I was early. Yeah, so good times.
Speaker 2: All right, well, Andrea, welcome to the Around the NFL team.
Speaker 2: Let's move to uh I.
Speaker 1: Key nambler. I is for indictment prior regimes.
Speaker 2: This is a and you know, shout out to Nick
Speaker 2: Shook who wrote this article on NFL dot com, and
Speaker 2: Gordon and everybody else on the desk that's just hammering
Speaker 2: out this content in the off season.
Speaker 1: We've been there.
Speaker 2: It's sometimes it's it feels like you're comb in the desert.
Speaker 1: Here is a Nick Schuk story. Here's the headline.
Speaker 2: Falcons tight end Kyle Pitts tabs himself quote super rookie
Speaker 2: as he learns new offense hit the the trope alert
Speaker 2: big funk. Because I hope this becomes one this idea
Speaker 2: that you can just wave your entire career and say
Speaker 2: I'm starting over and then say I'm a super rookie.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: It is an indictment, obviously, of everything that the Falcons
Speaker 2: have done. Here's the exact quote. I would say I'm
Speaker 2: a super rookie. I'm not a rookie rookie, but we're
Speaker 2: all in this new offense, new regime, new schedule. We're
Speaker 2: all in this fresh which sure, okay is true. Glad
Speaker 2: he read that. He also said that, you know, we
Speaker 2: talked about was he healthy? Has he been healthy? He
Speaker 2: said that that knee injury that ended his twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two season prematurely lingered throughout twenty twenty three and what
Speaker 2: was a really rough season for him statistically. I'll add
Speaker 2: that I don't see anywhere in this story in this
Speaker 2: may write up any did he have an additional procedure?
Speaker 1: Did he do anything to make the knee better? Now
Speaker 1: do I?
Speaker 2: How do I believe on face value that the knee
Speaker 2: is now fine even though it wasn't fine more than
Speaker 2: a year after the injury that you said you couldn't
Speaker 2: get over throughout last season. So keep an eye on
Speaker 2: the health of Kyle Pitts and whether his knee is
Speaker 2: gonna let him be the athlete he was coming out
Speaker 2: of college. But anyway, the Falcons three the last three
Speaker 2: years never happened.
Speaker 1: It's super rookie season.
Speaker 5: The only thing about it is that I can't think
Speaker 5: of a team that you know, you were part of this, Dan,
Speaker 5: and so were others like more frustrated with how that
Speaker 5: offense was run two years running, but especially last year,
Speaker 5: Like there's a lot of potential stars they're not used correctly.
Speaker 5: Like could you make the argument that Pitts and the
Speaker 5: rest of them feel like we're let out of jail
Speaker 5: at this point?
Speaker 6: Right, he got a thousand yards his rookie year, and
Speaker 6: he had moments his rookie year where he did look
Speaker 6: like that dude. He has been a big reason why
Speaker 6: he hasn't lived up to his billion though the last
Speaker 6: couple of years.
Speaker 1: It's not just about the people, like you can even
Speaker 1: with like.
Speaker 3: A run heavy scheme and Desmond Ritter like he.
Speaker 6: Just isn't moving the same way. He just said it
Speaker 6: to Dan mentioned it like he just wasn't moving the
Speaker 6: same way. He wasn't as explosive, he didn't win as
Speaker 6: many like you jump ball type of situations, fifty to
Speaker 6: fifty balls like Drake London is the perfect reason why
Speaker 6: I think it's fair to criticize Kyle Pits. You look
Speaker 6: at Drake London and you say that is a dude,
Speaker 6: Like that guy might already be one of the ten
Speaker 6: or twelve best wide receivers in the league. That was
Speaker 6: a I think like a home run pick or a
Speaker 6: triple pick, like he is that guy and you can
Speaker 6: see that despite the surroundings and Kyle pits I don't
Speaker 6: think you can.
Speaker 3: I wonder if they'll a maze.
Speaker 6: He's not that old though, he's like Sam Laporte's age.
Speaker 6: He's Yeah, he came out so young that.
Speaker 3: I think he's only I mean twenty three.
Speaker 6: He's twenty three right now. Yeah, you're in twenty four
Speaker 6: in October.
Speaker 4: So that's I wonder if they'll make him more of
Speaker 4: a focal point, because he felt like he was just
Speaker 4: always sort of in Drake London's shadow, which is impossible
Speaker 4: because he's such a big dude, like physically, but it
Speaker 4: just feels like all of the because I had this
Speaker 4: later Dan, So now I have discribed situation, but the
Speaker 4: amount of puff pieces that will be written about the
Speaker 4: Falcons offense and where they can go from here. It
Speaker 4: could be a ran new offense with a new head
Speaker 4: coach and just like a complete renaissance for everyone there,
Speaker 4: but especially Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: You could keep it.
Speaker 6: You don't have to pivot. I stuck with mine. I
Speaker 6: had a sound drop, you know.
Speaker 2: I think it's a good challenge it. It will probably
Speaker 2: happen to all of us.
Speaker 5: We can find new ways to discuss the topic if
Speaker 5: we if we wish, and maybe we don't wish.
Speaker 2: So just and just to revisit in general, Atlanta's draft
Speaker 2: strategy at the top of these drafts.
Speaker 1: They took Kyle Pits fourth overall in twenty.
Speaker 5: Twenty one, so yeah, but no one was No one
Speaker 5: was killing him for that at the time.
Speaker 2: At four overall. I feel like that was seen as
Speaker 2: earlier than it expected.
Speaker 3: That was like generational talent. He's like a he was here.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he went fourth overall in twenty one.
Speaker 6: A lot of people, I think sort of thought he was.
Speaker 6: Is he the best player in this draft other than
Speaker 6: you know, Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I guess Jamar Chase is in that draft too.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you took Drake London eighth overall in twenty two,
Speaker 2: you took Bijon eighth overall in twenty three, and you
Speaker 2: took Pennix eighth overall in twenty four, So you took
Speaker 2: in the top eight. You took a tight end, a
Speaker 2: running back, and a backup quarterback. In the last four
Speaker 2: years three or the last four years. It's just it's
Speaker 2: an interesting way to build your out your future quarterback.
Speaker 2: You kind of need you kind of need one of
Speaker 2: these guys to really hit and become what you thought
Speaker 2: they were. Maybe both all right, up next Jay with
Speaker 2: Colleen h Okay.
Speaker 3: So Jay, I'm already trying to work on my new
Speaker 3: V word.
Speaker 2: Here we go as in anxiety creeping in calling Andrea speed.
Speaker 4: Dial jaunt, as in Dave Canalis's appointment in Carolina. Will
Speaker 4: it be long term or will it be just the
Speaker 4: latest in a recent line?
Speaker 3: So under Tepper be talking.
Speaker 4: The coaches have been Ron Rivera, there was the interim
Speaker 4: Perry Fuel, Matt Ruhle, Steve Wilkes had a moment interim le.
Speaker 4: We had Frank Reich and then his table took over
Speaker 4: last year for a bit. And so now it's Dave
Speaker 4: Canalis's turn. And what does that mean for Bryce Young?
Speaker 4: Because Canalis was credited with all of the help that
Speaker 4: he got that Gino Smith got in Seattle and Baker
Speaker 4: Mayfield and Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3: They brought in Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 4: They drafted Xavier Laguette at the wide receiver position, so
Speaker 4: they jouj the offensive line as well, so what does
Speaker 4: that mean for Bryce Young and Dave Canalis because now
Speaker 4: they will be linked forever in this season ahead.
Speaker 6: I think Dave Canal I love that we're talking about
Speaker 6: because I think he's under the radar, is going to
Speaker 6: be like a big figure, yeah coming up, because he
Speaker 6: has an interesting vibe, a ton of energy. It totally
Speaker 6: makes sense to me that he's extremely close with Pete
Speaker 6: Carroll and he looks at Pete Carroll as like his
Speaker 6: greatest life mentor and coaching mentor, because he feels to
Speaker 6: me like kind of a younger version of the vibe.
Speaker 6: Pete Carroll gives off incredible positive ventage I think brings
Speaker 6: people with him and it's just like a lot, and
Speaker 6: I think he's done a good job, Like he's done
Speaker 6: a good job maximizing his guy. So if Bryce Young
Speaker 6: is gonna get to like average this year, which I
Speaker 6: think would be a good outcome, if he's just like
Speaker 6: a solid enough quarterback, then I think Canais is the
Speaker 6: guy to do it.
Speaker 5: It was like no better resume builder than like two
Speaker 5: years in a row reviving quarterbacks. Everyone falls for that.
Speaker 5: This is a team because some teams get backed in
Speaker 5: this situation. You can't make any personnel moves for years.
Speaker 5: You got to just let these guys do it. You
Speaker 5: can't recycle again. What the guys need attempting. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: you're just like are you're arguing together?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 6: How hot is Dave Canalis? That that's how it started.
Speaker 6: But ironically looking guy, it.
Speaker 2: Is his hotness that has been his undoing in his past.
Speaker 2: Breaking news, bunk, breaking ass news from the New York Post.
Speaker 1: How many years ago. It's late January, but for us
Speaker 1: it's breaking news.
Speaker 2: New Panthers coach Dave Canal has had a quote secret
Speaker 2: life of porn addiction and binge drinking.
Speaker 1: We wrote a book on it. Yeah, Oh, how was
Speaker 1: the book, mister know it all? Oh, he wrote a
Speaker 1: book on it. Like he talked about this at ISA
Speaker 1: and found out seconds ago he wrote a book.
Speaker 6: He talked about it as opening press conference. He literally
Speaker 6: has a book that I think it was.
Speaker 1: I wrote a book on it. His faith.
Speaker 6: His faith helped him work through his problems with infidelity, and.
Speaker 3: That was part of the right.
Speaker 1: It was third on the list.
Speaker 2: The book has got to start meeting every Wednesday night.
Speaker 6: The book is called This Marriage Question Mark, the question
Speaker 6: that changed everything?
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's interesting.
Speaker 6: Cool?
Speaker 3: What letter were you again?
Speaker 1: That is wild?
Speaker 6: I did?
Speaker 1: I was this up? This? Wait, it's this marriage?
Speaker 2: Yeah, question mark, big time question mark and a big
Speaker 2: this marriage the question that changed everything.
Speaker 1: He said he wrote the book to help other couples.
Speaker 5: Struggling with marriage, a question the author was asking himself
Speaker 5: and then answers with the with the book and what
Speaker 5: happened since.
Speaker 3: How about he also used to be a cowboy boot salesman.
Speaker 1: Well that's cool. Wait?
Speaker 2: Or is it this marriage or is it this marriage
Speaker 2: that really matters? Like like this marriage?
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's the reader. The reader can decide.
Speaker 1: How do you think he intended? I guess is what
Speaker 1: I'm s I.
Speaker 5: Don't remember you've given what were the example number two
Speaker 5: of sound pretty similar?
Speaker 1: Like great art.
Speaker 6: I think you want to leave some room open for interpretation.
Speaker 1: With your book title, though, I don't know. I'd stress this.
Speaker 1: It's not any marriage, it's this marriage. Stress this best marriage.
Speaker 6: This marriage. Yeah, like that kind of like ours. Yeah,
Speaker 6: while we're talking keep pounding. I don't know if you
Speaker 6: guys knew. Last week was actually keep Pounding Day in
Speaker 6: North Carolina and a number of events in communities, you know,
Speaker 6: giving back to the community keeps did that?
Speaker 5: I like that panthers oriented element comes up later in
Speaker 5: the show. I just we just gloss right by it.
Speaker 5: We don't okay, we don't discuss it after.
Speaker 2: They have so the Todd Downing offensive coordinator of the Titans.
Speaker 1: What book did he write?
Speaker 2: Well, he has the they use his poll quote right
Speaker 2: on top of the cover and he ends it with Lizzie. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, but that is exactly what Lizzie and Dave
Speaker 2: have provided with this marriage.
Speaker 1: But then it's not a question mark there. It's tough.
Speaker 1: And that's a tough one.
Speaker 2: Because technically it should it should end with a question
Speaker 2: mark there too.
Speaker 1: Well, that's on the editors.
Speaker 4: But unless he doesn't have a question about it anymore,
Speaker 4: that's your guy, now, Todd down and.
Speaker 1: Then we got him locked them in. All right, who's next?
Speaker 6: I believe?
Speaker 1: Are we at kakay with Greg Rose? Okay?
Speaker 3: That was I have regrets all of a sudden.
Speaker 6: K is for or catalog gphobia K A T A
Speaker 6: G E l ophobia, catalgophobia, which is the fear of
Speaker 6: being ridiculed or laughed at. And you know, sometimes this
Speaker 6: sort of phobia, this sort of fear.
Speaker 1: It starts in childhood.
Speaker 6: Just people that are exposed to criticism, maybe tough, and
Speaker 6: they have a right and offended psyche. Whereas if you
Speaker 6: have like a better foundation, maybe you're not a victim
Speaker 6: of this. If some teams I think experience catalegophobia, they're
Speaker 6: more sensitive, you know what I mean, You can probably
Speaker 6: guess who they are. Like it often goes along with
Speaker 6: like a history of little success. But I thought I'd
Speaker 6: flip this around and name my three figures or teams
Speaker 6: that would be least likely to have this who are
Speaker 6: just so secure in their own secin Number one would
Speaker 6: be or number three rather would be the Cowboys. Just
Speaker 6: as an organization, you can say a lot about the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: They will invite criticism if anything they like almost seem
Speaker 6: like sometimes they seek it out in a way. I
Speaker 6: remember when we were at training camp and there was
Speaker 6: like a crazy story about a contract hold out, and
Speaker 6: they make their players available to all the media so
Speaker 6: that it can become a big story, even though they're
Speaker 6: getting criticized in those stories. So I think in the
Speaker 6: end they're kind of fine with whatever said about it.
Speaker 2: I think they are very very confident to your point
Speaker 2: in the cowboyness of it all and that that will
Speaker 2: see them through the darkest of right.
Speaker 1: So they're confident.
Speaker 6: And since I three to one, yeah, Number two would
Speaker 6: be Mike Tomlin. I don't know if we have that
Speaker 6: old sounddrop's a good entry where he just was like,
Speaker 6: I do not care, we do not care.
Speaker 1: Now there it is good child funk and.
Speaker 6: I believe it, Like I just believe when when coaches
Speaker 6: say like, we don't care about what they're saying on
Speaker 6: the outside. When Mike Thomas says that, I do believe it.
Speaker 6: Whatever he believes, he believes, I don't think he's getting bothered.
Speaker 6: And then number one, I would guess it would just
Speaker 6: be Jim Harbaugh. I mean I just feel like he's
Speaker 6: he's rolling with whoever Jim Harby is could be on
Speaker 6: this list too, But Jim, like he is who he is.
Speaker 1: He's not going to make any day it's two day.
Speaker 6: He's very he's very confident in who he is. I'm
Speaker 6: scared of, not worried about the criticism.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I think also the teams that have when you win,
Speaker 2: that makes you feel your above outside. Like I'm sure
Speaker 2: Andy Reid feels pretty confident in himself. A lack of
Speaker 2: cattle phobia like a phobia, had like a phobia, what was.
Speaker 4: The other phobia that we always talk about.
Speaker 2: That's a tough one to People with cattle like a
Speaker 2: phobia may experience symptoms such as burning cheeks, desire to
Speaker 2: look away, awkward half smile, feeling like everyone is staring
Speaker 2: at you, and goosebumps.
Speaker 3: That sounds terrible, it's I feel.
Speaker 1: Have we not all experienced that?
Speaker 6: It's It's some It's a very human yeah, feeling some
Speaker 6: some level, I think, but like maybe to the phobia level.
Speaker 6: All right, mark Elle, okay, Ell is for Lauri Meda
Speaker 6: catillog phobia at the door.
Speaker 1: Here we go. Ell is for Laurie Metcalf. Do you
Speaker 1: have anything else to say? You want to? I said,
Speaker 1: check your ca. Elle is for Lauri Metcalf. Do you
Speaker 1: remember her?
Speaker 5: The hardworking Hollywood actress who played Jackie Harris, the issues
Speaker 5: laiden sister to Roseanne on Roseanne, a nineteen nineties runaway hit.
Speaker 5: Metcalf also starred as Kevin Costner's loyal aid female assistant
Speaker 5: Da Susie Cox and Oliver Stone's nineteen ninety one film JFK.
Speaker 5: Before appearing as a landlady in Leaving Las Vegas, a
Speaker 5: Nick Cage Meg Ryan hit, released on October twenty seventh,
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety five, Right during the Cowboys bye week, Dallas
Speaker 5: was six and one.
Speaker 1: There was a zero question on our earth.
Speaker 5: To Greg's point about their power, we didn't need hollow
Speaker 5: speeches or self loving statements to help us understand their
Speaker 5: vice grip over the week, over the strong, over everything
Speaker 5: in sports.
Speaker 1: Now we're in the dumb days? Or are we?
Speaker 5: Has Jerry Jones finally found the special sauce the Dream Tonic,
Speaker 5: a team with a handful of stars and a coach
Speaker 5: playing for their contracts and NFL lives? How about Lori
Speaker 5: Metcalf playing behind the scenes heroin Charlotte Jones in the
Speaker 5: twenty twenty six Hulu funded drama How about Them Cowboys
Speaker 5: colon Daddy's Home?
Speaker 1: That would be great.
Speaker 6: I'd watch it following up the documentary, but i'd watch for.
Speaker 1: A team like the Cowboys. You can't get up.
Speaker 6: I mean, the Lakers have had docs and they've had
Speaker 6: series and they just keep cranking them out.
Speaker 1: I don't love the title too.
Speaker 2: I don't get the feeling that the Cowboys are gonna
Speaker 2: be a buzzy pick right now.
Speaker 1: Isn't that good for once? Maybe?
Speaker 2: But I don't think is gonna be a reason for
Speaker 2: it because I think we almost saw the best of
Speaker 2: this Cowboys nucleus already and it wasn't good enough.
Speaker 5: And what I was wondering because I was like, I went,
Speaker 5: I wrote, is like going on the road and just
Speaker 5: killing them. I was like, no, no, no, what if
Speaker 5: it's flipped where it's like he's got them or they've
Speaker 5: got them into a situation where it's like it's not
Speaker 5: that the vice grip is on because that never feels
Speaker 5: the way to some degree, but it's like all of
Speaker 5: you could be like I could completely blow up this
Speaker 5: team and start it over an off season from now
Speaker 5: if I wanted to, if I wanted just to completely
Speaker 5: nuke this thing, because everyone's kind of at the end.
Speaker 5: So it's like, does that do these players on this
Speaker 5: team respond or to that we don't care about critique
Speaker 5: or anything? Are they just floating along? As they float
Speaker 5: along all the time, We'll see.
Speaker 6: Great job by Laurie Metcalf and Ladybird. That scene I
Speaker 6: love Ladybird when driving her to the airport, That like
Speaker 6: rated apparent and almost impossibly.
Speaker 1: I believe she still plays.
Speaker 2: Jackie Metcalf on a television show that airs on ABH.
Speaker 1: Yes there's a spin off. Yes, I noticed that. I do.
Speaker 2: I do a pretty good Roseanne laugh impression.
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear it? Oh? No, you don't
Speaker 1: want to hear it. I won't know. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say it.
Speaker 3: I would like to hear it.
Speaker 1: You want to hear it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, I Shan does that a lot.
Speaker 1: That's also like every evil clown from North America.
Speaker 2: But if those who know the opening credits of Roseanne,
Speaker 2: I think that was good.
Speaker 1: And then I also have a kind of.
Speaker 2: A running joke with my wife when uh, you know,
Speaker 2: we're you know, it's the middle of the week and
Speaker 2: you know, we got two kids and I got a
Speaker 2: busy house, like and hey, what's the dinner plan for tonight?
Speaker 2: And then sometimes it will just like slip through, like
Speaker 2: we don't have a plan, and at six point thirty
Speaker 2: and then I'll do a joke where if Emily's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'll be like, I go into my
Speaker 2: Roseanne impression.
Speaker 1: Like I'll go get them some hamburger, helper and junk.
Speaker 1: She loves it. She loves it. Yeah, that seems like
Speaker 1: a healthy way to approach that.
Speaker 3: What a window into your week.
Speaker 2: Now we're talking about the sauciage gets mad, I don't
Speaker 2: know and junk. All right, that is my Roseanne Up
Speaker 2: next is this is kind of hard the way it's
Speaker 2: it's graft out. So you just went right.
Speaker 1: Mark I went, Oh no, no, Mark went and that
Speaker 1: was Flory Metcalf.
Speaker 2: There we go, all right, So let's move to M
Speaker 2: and it will be four. Mister Raider M jim Otto
Speaker 2: a Pro Football Hall of Fame center. Those who know
Speaker 2: know he wore double zeros and he was in the
Speaker 2: pivot of some of the great Raiders offensive lines and teams. Ever,
Speaker 2: he died at the age of eighty six over the weekend.
Speaker 2: He was known as the original Raider, the dominant center
Speaker 2: of his era.
Speaker 1: He had a singular goal. Now here's a quote.
Speaker 2: This was this mantra that he repeated over and over
Speaker 2: again and John, never will they kick my butt?
Speaker 3: That's the quote.
Speaker 1: That's the quote. Never.
Speaker 2: And he did a lot of butt kicking, starting in
Speaker 2: the AFL through the merger and seventy.
Speaker 1: Retired after seventy four. He starred as a center.
Speaker 2: We want to talk about whatever happened to Gary Cooper
Speaker 2: when men were men?
Speaker 1: Otto started two hundred and.
Speaker 2: Ten straight regular season games two twenty.
Speaker 1: Three including the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Twelve time Pro Bowler, there was talk that he should
Speaker 2: be the face of the Raider on the logo with
Speaker 2: the iPad eyepatch, he said, but with a broken nose.
Speaker 1: Whatever happened to Gary Cooper? He played center for the opener.
Speaker 1: Started his career.
Speaker 6: With eleven straight All Pro teams and only one of
Speaker 6: those was a second team.
Speaker 1: Started out.
Speaker 6: I can't imagine there are many players in the history
Speaker 6: of the NFL that started their career with six straight
Speaker 6: first team All pros. Wow, as a rookie. Then he
Speaker 6: had a second team for one year. I don't know
Speaker 6: who beat him out in sixty six, and then he
Speaker 6: he racks up another four. That's that's on the short
Speaker 6: list of like all time, all time greats.
Speaker 5: When you go to like Pro Football Reference and you
Speaker 5: can see like, oh, you know, Kyle Pitts, like he
Speaker 5: started nine games and fin like when you go to
Speaker 5: Auto's page, like you said, it's just fourteens head to toe.
Speaker 1: He never missed.
Speaker 5: It's a different era, but also to say that he
Speaker 5: was the face of the Raiders, because I'll never forget.
Speaker 5: When I covered that final Raiders game, I did a
Speaker 5: separate piece talking to like eight or nine like dudes
Speaker 5: from that era, and a lot of them mentioned him,
Speaker 5: And there was a lot of competition to be the
Speaker 5: face of that Raiders team, from the coaching world, to
Speaker 5: the players, to some of the legends like and he
Speaker 5: was that dude, and so yeah, there's not a lot
Speaker 5: like him.
Speaker 4: I like that he talked about the hardest hit that
Speaker 4: he ever received it a game was from Ray Nichkei
Speaker 4: and that he broke his face mask and that's what
Speaker 4: broke his nose and said it the way that it
Speaker 4: was mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Broke my cheekbone, my zygomatic archbone.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 2: It attached my retina and my left eye. I was
Speaker 2: blind for six months and my left eye it was
Speaker 2: really bad. It all swelled up and I couldn't see,
Speaker 2: but I kept playing.
Speaker 4: I never went out of the game with a detached retina.
Speaker 2: But Kyle Pitts's knee is sore, guys, Oh, that is unbelievable. Anyway,
Speaker 2: a true warrior of the game passes away. Jim Otto
Speaker 2: at the age of eighty six. Let's take a break
Speaker 2: and we will continue onward. All right, we are back.
Speaker 2: We are moving on, Colleen. You are in the pivot now.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: The letter n N is for nascent, as in Detroit's
Speaker 4: reconstructed secondary and it's nascent phase. Woo. They needed a rebirth,
Speaker 4: hon me, after only Washington allowed more yards passing yards
Speaker 4: per game last season. They used their first two draft
Speaker 4: picks on corners, traded up for terry On Arnold, got
Speaker 4: Ennis Rakestrawl at sixty one, and then they traded their
Speaker 4: third rounder to the Bucks for Carlson Davis. So all
Speaker 4: three of those draft picks are potential Week one starters
Speaker 4: in their secondary.
Speaker 6: They addressed They looked at what their biggest issue was
Speaker 6: last year, and they couldn't have like addressed it any faster,
Speaker 6: any more aggressively.
Speaker 1: They tried to do it a year ago.
Speaker 6: To be fair, there was actually a little bit of like, hey,
Speaker 6: they've improved their secondary year ago at this time and
Speaker 6: those guys are no longer on the team. But having
Speaker 6: Brian Branch to begin with, like hitting on that draft
Speaker 6: pick and then adding you would think Arnold feels like
Speaker 6: a pro ready type of guy in Carlton Davis has
Speaker 6: already shown he's a good start.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think a team like the Lions too,
Speaker 5: where it's like, don't have any lips on the radar
Speaker 5: and you you kind of don't have too many weaknesses.
Speaker 5: They've done that, They've done a lot in two or
Speaker 5: three off seasons. But you keep Aaron Glenn the defensive coordinator,
Speaker 5: you keep Ben Johnson the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: It's like, it is there.
Speaker 5: You could have rolled the dice that one of those two,
Speaker 5: if not both, could have been somewhere else right now,
Speaker 5: and you're kind of starting over with new phraseology and
Speaker 5: new coaches knew everything. That's like this team is so
Speaker 5: much about their coaching staff, and I love that they've
Speaker 5: kind of kept it all together and it's like, what's
Speaker 5: the weakness here? I know you could pick, you could
Speaker 5: nitpick a little, but not They've.
Speaker 2: They thrived under higher expectation last year, as we know,
Speaker 2: starting right in week one when they knock off Kansas
Speaker 2: City in the opener, they what are they finished with
Speaker 2: twelve wins last year where they land last year and
Speaker 2: five twelve and five and you know, make it all
Speaker 2: the way to the NFC title game.
Speaker 1: Damn near win that game against the Niners.
Speaker 2: So I can't sit here and then say, well, how
Speaker 2: will they handle expectations this year?
Speaker 1: I think they'll be fine.
Speaker 2: However, now it's a it's a bird of a different color,
Speaker 2: like you have to get over the hump. You have
Speaker 2: to Anything short of getting out of the NFC now
Speaker 2: is maybe not failure but a disappointment. So it's the
Speaker 2: Detroit lines as we knew them are totally transformed. But
Speaker 2: it's very hard to get over the hump. And there's
Speaker 2: still a lot of big time competition in the conference.
Speaker 2: So we'll see what they can do. This is gonna
Speaker 2: be it's gonna be a battle, and we'll see if
Speaker 2: they can get over the hump.
Speaker 3: They're set up so well.
Speaker 4: And I also love the Terry On Arnold and Brian
Speaker 4: Branch played together at Alabama already, so that's kind of
Speaker 4: nice that they already have that probably energy.
Speaker 6: Then all right, Greg the letter, Oh all right, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna go with a great word obedient, complying with or
Speaker 6: submissive to authority. I like when a word just sounds
Speaker 6: like it should obey me. Obedience I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They call uncomfortable, but we're gonna keep moving.
Speaker 5: Greg was saying this exactly at this time Yesterday is
Speaker 5: Sunday in his house.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 6: I don't think if the Raiders and the Saints come
Speaker 6: out to Southern California for training camp and they are
Speaker 6: that they're fan, that they should be obedient to this
Speaker 6: NFL rule that because of marketing rights in the Southern
Speaker 6: California area that they don't necessarily have the rights to
Speaker 6: have fans at their training camp. Now, the Raiders have
Speaker 6: been more out in front saying we're having conversations with
Speaker 6: both teams about the logistics of it. Talks are still ongoing,
Speaker 6: so it sounds like they're pushing for it. The Saints
Speaker 6: aren't really answering questions. And I just feel like going
Speaker 6: to a training camp is such a outstanding way to
Speaker 6: grow the support of your team and have young fans
Speaker 6: go there for you know nothing and just be around
Speaker 6: football that having training camps without fans like doesn't feel
Speaker 6: like training camp at all. And yes, I know it's
Speaker 6: the Saints in Southern California, how many people are really
Speaker 6: going to be showing up there every day? I'm sure
Speaker 6: people would be showing up and so I hope they
Speaker 6: they pushed to make that happen. I hope it's not
Speaker 6: something where like I don't know that either the Rams
Speaker 6: and Chargers don't allow or that the teams really don't
Speaker 6: even want it. I don't I don't know, Like to me,
Speaker 6: that's that's not training camp. Don't be obedient in this way.
Speaker 6: And if and if they do try to keep fans out,
Speaker 6: like fans should let them know, Like you're trying to
Speaker 6: grow your your brand. The Raiders have done a great
Speaker 6: job over that Saints, Like you're trying to grow fans,
Speaker 6: don't don't keep them out.
Speaker 5: It feels like a weird NFL thing in general that
Speaker 5: like some of these stipulations kind of get like maybe
Speaker 5: why they were cooked up, but like what they went to?
Speaker 5: What was it Greenbrier for like years of it's right
Speaker 5: like secret compounds. I don't know what it is, but like, uh,
Speaker 5: like why would you have any fan base?
Speaker 1: Not I would just promote it everywhere, So I'm with you, Like.
Speaker 2: It just sort of feels like this is just California here,
Speaker 2: Well it did.
Speaker 6: The rule would apply I guess everywhere, but it only
Speaker 6: matters because everyone's trying to come to southern California. Yeah,
Speaker 6: because they're technically in the Raiders. I mean they're the Raiders,
Speaker 6: and the Saints are coming into the Chargers and Rams
Speaker 6: area and they either need to get some permission, but
Speaker 6: there's questions like about whether they even want the permission
Speaker 6: and how they're going to do it. The Raiders do
Speaker 6: say that they're they're trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2: Saint Steam president Dennis Lauschia explained that on site logistics,
Speaker 2: not NFL marketing rules, are.
Speaker 1: A bigger hurdle for the team.
Speaker 2: He believes that finding room for fans that you see
Speaker 2: Irvin's campus is going.
Speaker 6: But the okay, I read that too, But I went
Speaker 6: to multiple great training cramps with the Rams, Like my
Speaker 6: kids had a blast the day they went, and that
Speaker 6: was the same facility.
Speaker 3: So just saying and they had like food trucks and stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, it was all happened. You said cramps and just
Speaker 1: trying to.
Speaker 6: Move past that, I'm out there are a lot of cramps.
Speaker 2: Then good one, good one, all right, Well, hopefully that
Speaker 2: all works out.
Speaker 1: Gregy up to Mark Sasser, the letter.
Speaker 5: P all right, here is where some crossover occurs, and
Speaker 5: I don't give an f p is for Pennix Comma
Speaker 5: Michael Kama Junior in our news from I listen to
Speaker 5: dense white noise on earphones, hail and rain and chaos
Speaker 5: in the woods while banging out alphabet narratives. As an
Speaker 5: adult male pressing question, how will humans react when Michael
Speaker 5: Pennix Junior takes over as QB one for Atlanta? As
Speaker 5: early as week six, the two and three Falcons crumbling
Speaker 5: inexcusably twenty three to ten to the Carolina Panthers. A
Speaker 5: sense of dread hovers beloved Kirk Cousins hasn't been himself
Speaker 5: all season. Five touchdowns, ten picks, including a pick six
Speaker 5: just before the half. Raheem Morris recalls a tweet from
Speaker 5: Michael Pennix Senior issued on June twenty seventh, twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: You see my boy, He's coming into his zone. I
Speaker 5: can feel it and tweet. Morris decides be his own man,
Speaker 5: throw chatterbox media types into the circular file, and bring
Speaker 5: Pennix Junior into the fire. Four touchdowns later, the Falcons
Speaker 5: thirty eight to twenty three victors over Carolina are reborn
Speaker 5: as a new creation of the elegant South.
Speaker 1: Wow that is quite a scenario.
Speaker 6: It's giving up on Kirk quite quickly, although he's struggling.
Speaker 6: It's two and three. It's a tricky situation. It's early enough.
Speaker 6: Could you trade him, Probably not with all the cap
Speaker 6: hit that you would get, but maybe the next offseason.
Speaker 6: People like myself that say, okay, they're locked in the
Speaker 6: Kirk for two years. I mean there is a crazy
Speaker 6: scenario where if this happened, for instance, that they could
Speaker 6: trade Kirk next offseason with that guaranteed.
Speaker 5: Haven't they set up a sort of a dangerous situation
Speaker 5: where if Kirk, let's say it did struggle.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this happens. This is a bit four fetch.
Speaker 8: But we've created a dangerous Yeah, like your fan base,
Speaker 8: if he lights it, Pennix is like whipping the ball
Speaker 8: like they say he will, like during training camp, Like
Speaker 8: your fans, it just's lodged in their minds, like, wait
Speaker 8: a minute.
Speaker 1: This just misses a game.
Speaker 6: Happens to the quarterbacks, especially on Achilles.
Speaker 1: Not him until last year. But yeah, yeah, but pre
Speaker 1: season too.
Speaker 4: We've seen it so many times where like the rookies
Speaker 4: come in, they light it up.
Speaker 3: It's preseason.
Speaker 4: They're not playing like great competition, and that's when everything starts.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think of Lamar like everything if
Speaker 1: you that's certainly Michael Penas could be a star.
Speaker 2: You don't know that, but it's like, but then everything
Speaker 2: keeps for me going back to the same question, but then,
Speaker 2: why did you sign Kirk Cousins. Why did you put
Speaker 2: this roadblock in front of him and the kid and
Speaker 2: create this hyper awkward situation that could undermine the entire operation.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of the courl Never that Howie Roseman
Speaker 4: talked about when they drafted Jalen Hurts and they had
Speaker 4: Carson Wentz in place, and he was like, the Eagles
Speaker 4: are trying to be a quarterback factory.
Speaker 2: Okay, but they I'm not. There was a different situation
Speaker 2: than this is. This is a totally unique situation. We
Speaker 2: haven't really seen before. And we'll say I would imagine
Speaker 2: Cousins plays one year and they trade him, right.
Speaker 6: I think, I think if he plays well, he plays
Speaker 6: two years. Kirk had his first press conference in front
Speaker 6: of the Atlanta media. Handled it all well, I thought,
Speaker 6: really embraced pen X. But the one key moment where
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, that was kind of the real
Speaker 6: answer was you know when they when they asked about
Speaker 6: the like, well, if you had known they were going
Speaker 6: to draft pen X, and he was just like, well,
Speaker 6: I don't deal in hypotheticals. It's like because he was
Speaker 6: trying to be feel at least a little real in
Speaker 6: that moment.
Speaker 2: Yet it was an all time rug pull on a
Speaker 2: player too to to give him that contract, promise him
Speaker 2: in the world this is your team now, and then
Speaker 2: without any notice, draft the replacement before he ever played
Speaker 2: a game. It's it's unreal. It's it's it's crazy. We're
Speaker 2: going to see how it all plays out. Tell me
Speaker 2: more about this white noise, Mark.
Speaker 5: I don't need to use it anymore. But back when
Speaker 5: our newsroom I did this morning just because there was
Speaker 5: a there were people shouting like something or other. So,
Speaker 5: but like when our newsroom was crazy, it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: like everyone's just chat and like, you know, eating sandwiches
Speaker 5: and throwing food arounds, like, oh, but breaking news just happened,
Speaker 5: and you have to write three graphs in four minutes.
Speaker 5: Like I was like, f the surrounding noise because it
Speaker 5: does bother me more than something so I would I
Speaker 5: found because I also had a babies, like a baby
Speaker 5: or two babies at the time, Like a lot of
Speaker 5: white noise happening in the house, Like this sounds helpful
Speaker 5: to a baby to sleep, Like I can write with
Speaker 5: this where I can hear nothing but intense like nature
Speaker 5: sounds that were consistent.
Speaker 4: It's the only way that I can concentrate on anything.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it's but I use brown noise.
Speaker 4: That's like a different frequency and it's much better.
Speaker 3: I use it for sleeping.
Speaker 4: Music is a nice music, I'm too distracted by the
Speaker 4: lyrics and everything else, Like I just need nothing.
Speaker 3: Almost it got.
Speaker 1: You to a place of nothing, nothingness.
Speaker 2: So the old newsroom there was not only food being eaten,
Speaker 2: but being thrown around.
Speaker 1: I don't know, everyone's like everyone know, but you know,
Speaker 1: you know how it was.
Speaker 5: It was like a cartoon, but you were like the
Speaker 5: one person writing the story, and it seemed like everyone
Speaker 5: everyone else is just giggling and dancing and running around
Speaker 5: and like ses.
Speaker 1: Acually in the damashek era right.
Speaker 6: And then that you had that Tuesday sandwich tosses. You
Speaker 6: had that happened Thursday sandwich toss and it's the Friday
Speaker 6: pizza toss.
Speaker 4: I will cover my ears like sometimes because I could
Speaker 4: not concentrate.
Speaker 3: We are the same, Mark, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I cranked out the story though I got to you.
Speaker 1: Sure did? You got it done? What's the other alternative?
Speaker 1: Take a walk? It is? It's Mark's mind.
Speaker 3: It's great if.
Speaker 1: You really turn it up like in your ear, like,
Speaker 1: it removes all.
Speaker 2: I could actually I could picture you writing a Rex
Speaker 2: Grossman three hundred order right now.
Speaker 3: It's really nice.
Speaker 1: It's peaceful.
Speaker 6: But if you just like turn the dial like seven percent,
Speaker 6: it's like the start of a horror movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Or you here, you see Mark focusing and then you
Speaker 2: look down and you see the headphones aren't actually plugged
Speaker 2: into anything?
Speaker 1: All right? Que que right? Is that right? Que me? Q?
Speaker 2: Is for question? Colon nailed it? Will you watch the
Speaker 2: latest version of Hard Knocks?
Speaker 3: I will, yep, company woman, absolutely.
Speaker 6: I haven't watched all the NFL offerings with Hard Knocks,
Speaker 6: and I didn't even watch the first in season one
Speaker 6: for long, but I'll give you this one a shot
Speaker 6: because of when it's coming out in the calendar. I
Speaker 6: actually think it's a perfect time. It is when you're
Speaker 6: it's I think early July when it's why they drop
Speaker 6: the Netflix show. Then you're you're hankering for a little
Speaker 6: football and just that it's different and it's off season
Speaker 6: and it's draft stuff, like I'm curious how deep they
Speaker 6: go into the front office stuff. I'll check check it
Speaker 6: out once, you know, I'll check it out this season
Speaker 6: or a few episodes, and if it's good, you stick
Speaker 6: with it.
Speaker 5: And I don't think we talked about it on our
Speaker 5: schedule release show. It's the New York Giants covering what
Speaker 5: from the end of the off season until essentially when
Speaker 5: it comes to.
Speaker 2: Hard Knocks colon off season with the New York Giants.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it.
Speaker 6: I would imagine a lot of it is the draft.
Speaker 1: How could it not.
Speaker 3: I want to see the Saquon fallout, right, I.
Speaker 5: Guess like you, but like I also, my one thing
Speaker 5: is because I think the one thing about Hard Knocks,
Speaker 5: even though Hard Knocks is like what happened in the
Speaker 5: past week, like the training camp one, you're tied to
Speaker 5: those storylines and you find out new stuff. I want to,
Speaker 5: like if it's going to be an hour about why
Speaker 5: the Giants signed Brian Burns, like, okay, I want to
Speaker 5: really learn about how front offices work.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 5: I like, the news itself is from four to five
Speaker 5: months ago, and we've been talking about the Giants at
Speaker 5: that point for four to five months, so like you
Speaker 5: got the challenges make that fresh, and I mean they
Speaker 5: must think they can do that.
Speaker 2: And there's a reason why those that know the Hard
Speaker 2: Knocks history and Connie, we've done the podcast the last
Speaker 2: exactly if you know the history, and the history is
Speaker 2: rich Rich. The Giants have never done the show. And
Speaker 2: the Giants are one of those Tiffany franchises that distance
Speaker 2: themselves from things that are quote distractions. This is something
Speaker 2: they can control, so it's like this is an in
Speaker 2: house operation where they could work on the edit of it.
Speaker 2: Part of what makes the original and still greatest iteration
Speaker 2: of it the Training Camp version for sure, And why
Speaker 2: I wish they would just honestly focus on The Hard
Speaker 2: Knocks and less about being a brand and just like
Speaker 2: that show, because I think that show is special as
Speaker 2: you can't as a team totally control it because happening
Speaker 2: in real time week to week, you have control of
Speaker 2: the edit, of course, and they can and you've seen it.
Speaker 2: I feel like more in recent years than try to
Speaker 2: filter out things that maybe they don't want focused on
Speaker 2: when it comes to hard knocks, but still, the way
Speaker 2: a training camp moves along, you're kind of flying, you're
Speaker 2: a little bit vulnerable, and teams like the Giants don't
Speaker 2: like that. So this to me feels like an in
Speaker 2: house NFL Films operation that the Giants signed off signed
Speaker 2: off on. It's safe, and Giants fans will like it.
Speaker 2: If I was a Giants fan, i'd watch it, And
Speaker 2: if you're not a Giants fan, maybe you will, or
Speaker 2: maybe you'll.
Speaker 1: Wait for the original version. That's all I can say.
Speaker 4: I mean, as soon as I hear the music, I
Speaker 4: want to watch though, So I'm like, there's drawn to it.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a different count of characters, though, it's
Speaker 5: not gonna be funny players talking about the REATA stores.
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of front office people, right, It'll be different.
Speaker 6: The reason why I have some I have more optimism,
Speaker 6: I think, is that these team and ultimately look NFL
Speaker 6: Films were all one big company NFL. It is always
Speaker 6: an in house operation when it's NFL Films. These team
Speaker 6: videos that they make of behind the scenes for the draft,
Speaker 6: which is even more explicitly like they're not going to
Speaker 6: put anything that puts the team in a bad light.
Speaker 6: Have been pretty informative and a lot of times like
Speaker 6: does have stuff I'm interested in and those are created
Speaker 6: by the team. Now those are quicker, you know, and
Speaker 6: this is a longer format, certainly, but I think that
Speaker 6: that's why and I am interested. And then when they
Speaker 6: show when they have good team inside ones that are
Speaker 6: made by the team, often it's pretty good. I like
Speaker 6: Hard Knocks a little dangerous. Yeah, it's like when we're
Speaker 6: at the.
Speaker 2: Brown's Hard Knocks and you see the head coach and
Speaker 2: offensive coordinador battling for the control of the team in
Speaker 2: front of the coup to the Browns credit, like they're like,
Speaker 2: you know what, we agreed to do this, this is
Speaker 2: what's happening.
Speaker 1: This is going out there.
Speaker 2: Like I just the more you take away from that world,
Speaker 2: I just I like the idea of like, oh, I
Speaker 2: want to see what happens here? How are they going
Speaker 2: to handle this? Like are they going to spin it
Speaker 2: or not it? And just show us the unvarnished truth
Speaker 2: of the situation. You know what, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'm watching that, but you know what, I am always
Speaker 2: checking out the latest edition of Walking with Giants.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys.
Speaker 2: This is, of course the great Christopher Walking, Oscar Award
Speaker 2: winning actor, I believe, native New Yorker and obviously a
Speaker 2: huge fan of the New York Giants.
Speaker 1: So he started his own podcast.
Speaker 2: And one thing we haven't really touched on is Tommy DeVito,
Speaker 2: quarterback of the Giants, became a cult hero at the
Speaker 2: end of last season.
Speaker 1: Tommy cutlets and all that.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, it's like, we don't really hear
Speaker 2: about Tommy so much anymore, even though they didn't draft
Speaker 2: the quarterback, so hopefully he is a He was just
Speaker 2: at the.
Speaker 3: Draft with me. We did a pizza contest.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 2: So he's still in the mix and Italian American ways.
Speaker 1: But what's his NFL future? He said.
Speaker 2: Apparently there's an article he had as a chip on
Speaker 2: his shoulder, and I had to hear what Chris Walkin
Speaker 2: had to say about it.
Speaker 1: Here's Oh, here's an excerpt from that.
Speaker 9: It's time once again for Walking with Giants with me
Speaker 9: your host, Chris Walkin. Change has come to my beloved
Speaker 9: football team, the New York Giants, Big Blue, the g Men.
Speaker 9: We all go through it change. My neighbor is now
Speaker 9: a woman, or in the polance of the times, she
Speaker 9: was always a woman. She's now just living her truth.
Speaker 9: Hold for a fact, now that you've done a plotting,
Speaker 9: let's talk about someone going through change.
Speaker 1: On the Giants.
Speaker 9: Homegrown talent Jersey Boy done good.
Speaker 10: The entire nation got behind his Italian mannerisms and Guido
Speaker 10: good looks. Tommy DeVito, he feels slighted, cast aside. He
Speaker 10: feels as if he's yesterday's news and he has something
Speaker 10: to say.
Speaker 9: He's not going away the same way we all do
Speaker 9: one day.
Speaker 1: Enough for the rhyming.
Speaker 9: Well, I got news for you, Tommy.
Speaker 1: It's going to be hard.
Speaker 9: It's going to be had.
Speaker 1: The best quarterback who's ever lived, man.
Speaker 11: Myth, the legend, Eli Manning, Mike drop walking off.
Speaker 1: He is a huge eife and we've heard that man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's like that was the full episode and like
Speaker 5: the you know, the ability to take the football analysis
Speaker 5: and link it to our own lives.
Speaker 2: I mean, thank you for Chris, who is from a
Speaker 2: story at Queens by the Way, so a New York
Speaker 2: native to the book.
Speaker 6: Hopefully he can fall in love with Drew Locke. That's
Speaker 6: what I hope for Christopher Walker.
Speaker 1: Good call, good call the letter R with Colleen.
Speaker 4: Wolf okay R for recop Wow, recuperation. We're recouping, and
Speaker 4: so is Anthony Richardson. Thegotten rookie had four starts last
Speaker 4: year and now we're all just sort of waiting for
Speaker 4: him to come back with that throwing shoulder. He's playing
Speaker 4: for the right coach and Shane Steichen, but everything we
Speaker 4: heard was that and saw was he's an athletic freak.
Speaker 4: And it was so exciting when he came out and
Speaker 4: he was able to back it up. And then we
Speaker 4: only got a month of football from him. So now
Speaker 4: he has ad Ni Mitchell there that they added in
Speaker 4: the draft, obviously Michael Pittman Junior who the Colts locked
Speaker 4: in as well, and they drafted two offensive linemen early
Speaker 4: that also.
Speaker 3: Help with him up front.
Speaker 4: So I feel like the fact that he looks like
Speaker 4: he's all the way back from surgery right now, he's
Speaker 4: going to be a huge storyline. The Colts are going
Speaker 4: to be a huge storyline. And is it going to
Speaker 4: happen to me again? Am I going to be like
Speaker 4: front and center on the Colts?
Speaker 1: You? I know?
Speaker 4: But this is kind of like we're watching all of
Speaker 4: the recuperations for guys like Joe Burrow as well, but
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson and Joe Burrow at the top of the list.
Speaker 2: I like the division they play in, Connie, I think
Speaker 2: it sets up well for them to make a run
Speaker 2: here potentially, and so much of it as Ken Richardson
Speaker 2: stay healthy and grow as a player. But I think
Speaker 2: they're a fun team to get behind. Again, I don't
Speaker 2: think you're in the wrong here. I think it's funny.
Speaker 6: So I was quite high on the I did the
Speaker 6: projected Starters series for the AFC last week, and I
Speaker 6: looked at that roster as like, Chris Ballard's done it again.
Speaker 1: I like him.
Speaker 6: I kind of liked them as a sneaky division winner,
Speaker 6: and I went, we watched this college tape and stuff
Speaker 6: during the draft season. It's like, whenever I'm watching that,
Speaker 6: I know I'm not a real draft knick, because all
Speaker 6: I'm thinking is like, wouldn't it be nice to just
Speaker 6: watch them professional football where they're better? Oh dang, So
Speaker 6: I watched some Anthony. I went to some Anthony Richardson
Speaker 6: because he really only played two games that he'd survived.
Speaker 6: It was so short and it's electric. It's also a
Speaker 6: little more inconsistent. I think then people realize, like his
Speaker 6: accuracy issues definitely showed up. But I think he made
Speaker 6: good decisions and it's just the good throws and the
Speaker 6: good runs that he made were just so good that
Speaker 6: you want to see more.
Speaker 1: And the year that you jumped on.
Speaker 5: They're not bandwagon, but just generally their operation, like running
Speaker 5: back goes down, the offensive lineup like just crumbled, everything
Speaker 5: fell every I mean, it was like an apocalypse. But
Speaker 5: where they are now two years later, there's a lot
Speaker 5: to believe in, and I think a lot of it
Speaker 5: is like Anthony Richardson's at the center of it, but
Speaker 5: the Ballard's defense and what he's built up and what
Speaker 5: he believes in. It's like it's been a slow process.
Speaker 5: But like I believe in their defense. I did last year,
Speaker 5: and I think, like, you're gonna need to be able
Speaker 5: to get to the quarterback in this division and there aren't.
Speaker 5: The Cults to me also have a really interesting coaching staff.
Speaker 5: I think it begins right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just two years early on it, so
Speaker 4: I'm I never left frame it that way.
Speaker 2: I think what they lacked last year was like a
Speaker 2: big time difference maker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in their offense. Now they potentially have it.
Speaker 2: They don't want to put too much on the shoulders
Speaker 2: of the kid, but hey, they brought him in to
Speaker 2: be the franchise and let's see if he is.
Speaker 1: He might leave the league.
Speaker 6: Maybe Kayleb Williams will in the the OTA videos that
Speaker 6: are just oh, that's awesome, like the Cold Showed one
Speaker 6: where he throws at eighty five yards or something.
Speaker 1: Bonkers. I thought I was he's great for that.
Speaker 2: I thought I was stealing my Fantasy league last year
Speaker 2: when I took Richardson high. Not high, but it was like,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be my QB two. That shocks the word.
Speaker 2: But I would do it again this year. I think
Speaker 2: we're rolling the dice on all right. Next it's me
Speaker 2: with we got one more break to take. Actually, it's
Speaker 2: take one more break and then we'll close this out. Alright,
Speaker 2: We're back, Greggie, Take us, baby, take us where we
Speaker 2: need to go.
Speaker 6: The letter S is for super Chargers, which will make
Speaker 6: more sense when we play the following clip from the
Speaker 6: twenty fifteen season.
Speaker 12: Hmm, Sandiego super Chargers, San Diego Super.
Speaker 1: I gotta remember that.
Speaker 5: That just felt it was important, I mean sorry, attached
Speaker 5: to an earphone with that is a rugged way.
Speaker 1: To go out?
Speaker 6: What attribute by you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wes and this show twice, Greggie, good work.
Speaker 6: Jag may or may not have just heard that well
Speaker 6: looking up for the other clip and thought that would
Speaker 6: be fun to just play on the show.
Speaker 1: Oh the San Diego.
Speaker 2: Charge Look, I just did that with myself for you Mark, Now.
Speaker 3: For you Mark.
Speaker 6: The context for that was we thought it was the
Speaker 6: Chargers last game in San Diego. It actually wasn't remember that.
Speaker 6: We thought it was they were gone and then they
Speaker 6: ended up putting, so that was one more year.
Speaker 1: But that that was why you sang the safety laying
Speaker 1: on the field after the game? Was it that game? Yes,
Speaker 1: that was twenty fifteen. That's right. Let's see if the
Speaker 1: falsetto still holds all these years later.
Speaker 5: Super charm juice, you've got it, super chim.
Speaker 2: Well, I was younger, it was only thirty five then, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't hold the notes forever.
Speaker 6: Great job by Big Funk just having that, like ready
Speaker 6: that the cut up version.
Speaker 2: Hey, let's give it up for Big Funk. Who's listen,
Speaker 2: let's hear you. Let's hear your music.
Speaker 1: Funk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quiet around here right now, and there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of staff to say the least.
Speaker 3: And uh, this is my favorite theme song is big
Speaker 3: Funks and.
Speaker 1: Yet one man could do it all big funk on
Speaker 1: the walls and two having that baby maybe funk wheel
Speaker 1: two you got an so right now funk.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I've been dating for seven whoa yeah, crazy right seven?
Speaker 1: Legally married. I believe partner. We all domestic partners. I
Speaker 1: think they just took away that law the grandfathered in though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: clock sticking, she's expacting.
Speaker 13: It doesn't help that Eric's my neighbor too. I was
Speaker 13: gonna say a double date. Yeah, we had a few times.
Speaker 2: Because Eric got engaged, married and now child.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's crazy it all happened at once because funk
Speaker 13: feeling I hate.
Speaker 1: Well, we can't assume that his significant other wants a baby.
Speaker 1: We can a lot, Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 13: We're kind of the same mind where it's like we
Speaker 13: want to be able to afford one before we have
Speaker 13: one or open that discussion. But it doesn't help that
Speaker 13: Eric's wife will be walking around and like lately the
Speaker 13: conversation has been like, oh sheoks so pretty she's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: You know that's a sign.
Speaker 13: And I'm like, you know, I'm watching TV. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 13: that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Seven years is two thousand, five hundred and fifty five days.
Speaker 3: Give Lee just Google.
Speaker 1: All right, good job though, funk behind the glass. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: That was his girlfriend pulling him out of the studio
Speaker 2: to go down to the city courthouse.
Speaker 1: All right, let's see where else? What do we got left?
Speaker 1: Where are we?
Speaker 6: Mark t T tea.
Speaker 5: Is for too many, too many long reads by matter.
Speaker 5: Here's a quick one. I know, well, we we learned
Speaker 5: the lesson, but we unlearned it.
Speaker 3: It's streamlined this.
Speaker 1: I think we've done a good job. It is moving.
Speaker 5: I do have a quick one for you, though. I
Speaker 5: have four playoff teams not returning. In my little world
Speaker 5: of worlds. I looked at the standings from last year, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Miami,
Speaker 5: and the Rams. If I'm wrong, replace one of the
Speaker 5: teams with someone else, because my sports lock of the
Speaker 5: week is that four new playoff teams will emerge, as
Speaker 5: they have every year since Hillary Clinton first discovered the
Speaker 5: magic of a pants suit. Go okay, Pittsburgh Miami, Who Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Miami.
Speaker 5: The Rams, Okay, I think the Rams stay in so well,
Speaker 5: first of all, it's funny.
Speaker 1: Gets behind Rams news at eleven's's.
Speaker 6: Funny that you're taking the Browns out when you've been
Speaker 6: unhappy that they're not getting enough pop this offseason.
Speaker 5: As a I was, I was suggesting that they aren't
Speaker 5: not unhappy, but they aren't. And I think there's a
Speaker 5: regression elements there. But I'll take out the Bucks just
Speaker 5: for the Rams.
Speaker 1: Therey Bucks. Well, that's sensible. Rams. I felt was a
Speaker 1: little edgy, but like, I think you got it right. Yeah, really, Job,
Speaker 1: you're right? Are we just moving this segment along? Well, I.
Speaker 5: Don't think Pittsburgh is crazy, Altho, I think they've got better.
Speaker 5: Cleveland's not crazy.
Speaker 1: Rams.
Speaker 6: Okay, I got another one. I'm taking out the Cowboys
Speaker 6: and putting in the Packers. Whoa the Packers were in
Speaker 6: the playoffs?
Speaker 2: All right, you want to go, I'll see are crazy
Speaker 2: and razy. I'm taking out the Texans and putting in
Speaker 2: the Cults.
Speaker 6: Im the idiot that was I'll take out I'll put
Speaker 6: in someone else. I don't know who I'm putting in,
Speaker 6: but I'm taking other Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Well, you gotta put it you're gonna put in the Raiders,
Speaker 1: they're gonna I might, I haven't gone.
Speaker 6: I haven't done that part making these predictions because we're
Speaker 6: just gonna foo.
Speaker 1: Sorry Mark, Ye, it's been deemed too early, but put
Speaker 1: the Packers into the playoffs.
Speaker 6: But yeah, because like where they could have won the
Speaker 6: super Bowl last year?
Speaker 1: That was all right, good one, Mark, good luck to you.
Speaker 2: Well no, because I know you don't want to be
Speaker 2: right on that, but maybe you will be.
Speaker 1: We shall see you unfair. That's what it stands for.
Speaker 2: Hey, this new schedule, you know, we have moved, We've
Speaker 2: not so quietly started to shift away from a traditional
Speaker 2: Sunday schedule, uh to more.
Speaker 1: This is like the NFL's primetime era. And and the.
Speaker 2: More streamers that have that are involved, the more mouths
Speaker 2: there are to feed, the more days of the week
Speaker 2: that are being used. That it's it's creating schedule havoc
Speaker 2: that we've never seen before because the schedule makers. And
Speaker 2: maybe that helps us to explain why the schedule, based
Speaker 2: on what we heard with some reports, ended up being
Speaker 2: delayed a week because they're like, how do we make
Speaker 2: this all work anyway? Warren't sharp of short football Puts
Speaker 2: had this little data point since nineteen ninety four total
Speaker 2: a total nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 1: How long ago was that thirty years ago?
Speaker 2: A total of three teams over thirty one years played
Speaker 2: at least seven games where their opponent had over one
Speaker 2: week to prepare three and thirty one years. This year alone,
Speaker 2: there are two teams who play seven games versus opponents
Speaker 2: who have over one week to prepare. Two teams with
Speaker 2: seven plus games. The Patriots are on the other side,
Speaker 2: greg they play zero. The Chargers. Here we go six
Speaker 2: games versus teams with extra rest and prep for them,
Speaker 2: zero games versus teams with short prep. The Patriots zero
Speaker 2: games versus teams with extra rest and prep for them.
Speaker 2: Three games versus teams with short prep. So my point being,
Speaker 2: I get it. Listen, the NFL is here, They're making money,
Speaker 2: and everyone loves the primetime games, but it feels like
Speaker 2: it's adding in in terms of look at my Jets
Speaker 2: for it, and they have six primetime games in eleven
Speaker 2: weeks to start the season, and they're flying all over
Speaker 2: the place to do this. It is a major challenge
Speaker 2: for the schedule makers and your boy Mike North to
Speaker 2: try to figure out how to make this fair because
Speaker 2: it's quite simply not as simple as it used to
Speaker 2: be the way the schedule is laid out.
Speaker 5: I like I think number one, there's they're already were
Speaker 5: costs to all this because like it's just a it
Speaker 5: just inched up by derivations, more so this season. But
Speaker 5: like players, I listen to what the players say about it,
Speaker 5: and it's it's their the health. It's like the rest
Speaker 5: is not just like someone's going to get there and
Speaker 5: like strategize their way to a win. It's like the
Speaker 5: players of an extra two or three days to rest.
Speaker 5: I think that matters so much towards the end of
Speaker 5: the season. And yet it's like asking like a seven
Speaker 5: thirty seven to suddenly stop in mid air and turn
Speaker 5: around and go the other way.
Speaker 1: Like it's not changing.
Speaker 5: It's just not going to change because at least not
Speaker 5: anytime soon, because it's the money. It's like, oh, no matter,
Speaker 5: we can put a schedule release out on the same
Speaker 5: day as the NBA playoffs and blow them.
Speaker 1: Out of the water.
Speaker 5: So it's like why stop, And like I don't think
Speaker 5: there is a lack of care for certain like people involved,
Speaker 5: namely the players and coaches.
Speaker 1: In their lives.
Speaker 4: But there's also no way that they're going to be
Speaker 4: able to make this completely fair for every single team
Speaker 4: with all of the different iterations, like they try.
Speaker 2: They have to give up something to get something right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but to give up some of this the competitive balance.
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, you're getting millions upon millions of dollars in
Speaker 2: primetime victories.
Speaker 6: It kind of it reminded me as you were discussing it.
Speaker 6: It's a good point to raise of the NBA because
Speaker 6: in the NBA, there's so many what they call schedule
Speaker 6: losses where one team's on the fourth on a back
Speaker 6: to back, on the road, third night in four games,
Speaker 6: and the other one's been resting for like three days
Speaker 6: and just waiting for it. And like, being an NBA fan,
Speaker 6: you almost have to have this context of like where
Speaker 6: your schedule is and where the other one is, and like, oh,
Speaker 6: that's a fine lot. Like some losses aren't real losses
Speaker 6: because it's just like you were in such a tough
Speaker 6: spot you can't overcome it. You know, you hope that
Speaker 6: that all evens out over the course of an NBA season.
Speaker 6: In this case, there's so few games. I don't know
Speaker 6: if it evens out. We need a little more research
Speaker 6: on like how much does this affect these teams and
Speaker 6: on the records versus the rest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the NBA also they and it's an issue because
Speaker 2: fans paid top dollars to go to the games and
Speaker 2: then Lebron's.
Speaker 1: Not playing it's a rest day.
Speaker 2: And it's like you could do that because it's a
Speaker 2: you know, eighty two game season or whatever in the NFL,
Speaker 2: like every game, even now that we're at seventeen, it's
Speaker 2: so precious these games.
Speaker 1: So it is it's something, all right, v Connie, Okay,
Speaker 1: football is completely different than basketball.
Speaker 2: Good that's a nice final point to put on it, Mark,
Speaker 2: good work, Colleen.
Speaker 4: All Right, so you grabbed my Kyle Pitts one earlier,
Speaker 4: so I had to pivot off of volu and we're
Speaker 4: going with vicissitudes instead, and the many vicissitudes.
Speaker 3: That former Jets quarterbacks have made.
Speaker 4: And in this exercise, it will be watching two in particular,
Speaker 4: so a competition in Minnesota between Sam Darnold and JJ
Speaker 4: McCarthy and then the competition between Jared's Didham and Zach
Speaker 4: Wilson and Bo Nix in Denver. Now that one isn't
Speaker 4: exactly a heated one. But still, these quarterbacks have been
Speaker 4: through a lot on their journey, not always the best situations,
Speaker 4: but they've dealt with some adversity, and now we'll see
Speaker 4: if they're able to weather the storm and come out
Speaker 4: on top.
Speaker 2: The cistitude a change of circumstances or fortune, typically one
Speaker 2: that is unwelcome or you.
Speaker 1: Just rewrote that during the show.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean in the very impressive the changing topic
Speaker 6: sort of has you know a good example of a
Speaker 6: vicissitude of my topic here, I believe because it's sort
Speaker 6: of related.
Speaker 1: I I do have a vital for w Yeah for w.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my w is wanton, which is a It's a
Speaker 6: versatile word. It can mean a lot of things. I'm
Speaker 6: not talking about the soup, right, you know, the dumpling.
Speaker 6: It can mean like with wanton disregard like you're just
Speaker 6: totally wanton. Yeah, like like it deliberate. It's say it
Speaker 6: either way. You were saying vicissitude is all crazy too.
Speaker 1: We were just we're blowing it. We're blowing it.
Speaker 6: I thought you saidudes, I think just vicissitudes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no tea in the middle.
Speaker 5: There is there is a t wanton.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but one of the one of the definitions though
Speaker 6: on Yeah, that was ahead. One of the definitions is
Speaker 6: kind of is lustful that you know, you have that
Speaker 6: wanton like desire, libidd inness, wanton desire, lavicious. You know,
Speaker 6: there's a lot of words like that. And that's how
Speaker 6: the Vikings fan base is going to be about JJ
Speaker 6: McCarthy by the time we get to meet week one,
Speaker 6: much less by the time he plays I found.
Speaker 5: A sentenced Greg to help you. Her peeks burned as
Speaker 5: she recalled how forward she had been.
Speaker 1: How wanton. Yeah, do you understand the context now, Dan? Oh? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Well I know the word okay, And.
Speaker 6: So when you're ordering like a medium wanton.
Speaker 1: That was a bad job.
Speaker 2: You have a medium wanton soup. That's what I do. See,
Speaker 2: I have it wrung the other way.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about a fortune cookie this whole time.
Speaker 3: I was just totally different too.
Speaker 1: I blew it.
Speaker 6: These Vikings fans they're gonna they're just gonna be hot
Speaker 6: for this kid.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 6: If you think about quarterback history with the Vikings, haven't
Speaker 6: had a ton of homegrown guys. They had cull Pepper
Speaker 6: for a minute, it was hot. They had Teddy. They
Speaker 6: were very excited about Teddy. But other than that, since
Speaker 6: like nineteen seventy seven, Tommy Kramer was the only first
Speaker 6: round pick I could find it, he was like a
Speaker 6: late pick that had to wait two years. They've all
Speaker 6: be always been cycling through these older guys like Culpepper
Speaker 6: wasn't old, but like for rat at one point in
Speaker 6: his career of Farv Post Packers, Cousins, Post Washington, Keenum, Bradford,
Speaker 6: it's like, now we got our own guy.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be They're just gonna be feeling. I agree.
Speaker 1: That's why I was. I was bummed out. They're gonna
Speaker 1: be ordered some.
Speaker 2: One JJ playing. I think he's gonna play Week one
Speaker 2: most likely.
Speaker 1: I would think, well, yeah, I mean it just makes it.
Speaker 1: It's really more on Sam Darnold to completely if he could.
Speaker 2: Do anything unless JJ really like bottoms out in training camp.
Speaker 1: It's a great situation though.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that could help Bradford to that way that maybe
Speaker 6: he looks so good in camped up they're like, all right,
Speaker 6: let's let's see if his ceiling right now because he
Speaker 6: has the experience, feels a little higher.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll start out with him, but we'll see.
Speaker 2: All right, very good We are coming near the end
Speaker 2: of the line.
Speaker 1: Right now, up next, Mark toughy x X is for
Speaker 1: your ex lover from eleventh grade. Well, that's ex, I know,
Speaker 1: but it's the X in ex. Got it? And Randy,
Speaker 1: you're gonna to figure that out. A little bit of
Speaker 1: a cheat.
Speaker 5: We're just going to move forward, and I am willing
Speaker 5: to acknowledge I did well. Little did she or he,
Speaker 5: depending your choice, Little did this person know that you
Speaker 5: adored the National Football League? You quietly huddled away on
Speaker 5: a desktop computer in your room, creating statistical reports long
Speaker 5: before a pack of nerdlings cooked up EPA and various
Speaker 5: dense nonsense to describe beauty. Of course, this was a
Speaker 5: bad move. You should have hitched like to the fields
Speaker 5: beyond the community center where said love interest was drinking
Speaker 5: out of a solo cup with Matt Troy and fill
Speaker 5: in the blank while you watch Clash of the Titans
Speaker 5: on VHS. As you become more concrete in your desire
Speaker 5: to track the prowess of Warren Moon, she becomes more
Speaker 5: unhinged and lost to the wind. You call her up
Speaker 5: and her dad answers, and it's like you're on the
Speaker 5: phone with Mause tongue do you think today she or
Speaker 5: he depending on who you are understands And we're cycling
Speaker 5: back that Bryce Young will unanimously when comeback player of
Speaker 5: the Year, while Dave Canalis nabs Coach of the Year
Speaker 5: for a Panthers team that carves out nine wins.
Speaker 1: Tepper be tingling.
Speaker 3: Great end and.
Speaker 5: We've already discussed the topic, so we don't necessarily need to.
Speaker 6: One topic that we that Dan and I especially like
Speaker 6: to hit on repeatedly is Mark's strategy with these crazy predictions.
Speaker 6: This is even for him, is in this show where
Speaker 6: it's not really about predictions, for him to sort of
Speaker 6: drop in five predictions that no one will ever remember
Speaker 6: in less one of them hits, and then he'll bring
Speaker 6: it up.
Speaker 5: So that's like what you've done thousand times. You've gained that.
Speaker 1: I respect it.
Speaker 2: Well, good luck to you on that one. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: you're spamming like.
Speaker 6: I am, because by by August these will not be
Speaker 6: your predictions.
Speaker 1: No, he'll go the other way. Well, life changes.
Speaker 2: But if Bryce were kidnapped, but if they're seven and
Speaker 2: four in November, there's.
Speaker 1: A lot of narrative.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of narratives behind that if, but but
Speaker 5: if in that case, and to be clear, you're talking
Speaker 5: about the nineteen eighty one version of Class of the Titans,
Speaker 5: not the twenty ten no VHS, neither.
Speaker 1: Of which old school.
Speaker 5: It's like the first thing that I saw on VHS
Speaker 5: back in the day when.
Speaker 1: I was in middle school. I lost to a girl
Speaker 1: in wrestling. Ew.
Speaker 4: I was just trying to think the whole time who
Speaker 4: my boyfriend was in eleventh grade?
Speaker 3: Can anyone remember boyfriend?
Speaker 6: Of course you remember who I did eleventh year, June
Speaker 6: your year, you can't remember.
Speaker 3: I don't really remember my childhood.
Speaker 1: Wow, toughy. You got have to talk to Andrea about
Speaker 1: it that.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm really high.
Speaker 1: On live All right, let's go to letter Why uh.
Speaker 4: That you?
Speaker 1: It is? It is? Oh? Why for?
Speaker 2: This is from the movie John Wick or maybe the
Speaker 2: sequel Why is For? You leave me no choice but
Speaker 2: to declare you ex communicado. Yeah, yeah, we can't have
Speaker 2: Harrison Bucker in the Kicker Club anywhere we got. He's
Speaker 2: gotta go, he's gotta go. We're gonna We're gonna slide
Speaker 2: him out of the club.
Speaker 1: That's all. He's excommunicado.
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's fighting you on that.
Speaker 2: Well, you'd be surprised. But we're gonna move him out.
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to do a penance. He's on the
Speaker 2: outside of the velvet ropes moving forward.
Speaker 6: It's a great honor and it's a privilege, and it's
Speaker 6: up to you.
Speaker 1: More than anyone who gets in and row.
Speaker 2: You're the bouncer, right, And it brings me a note
Speaker 2: because he's in a tremendous kicker, but get him out.
Speaker 2: It makes me think of the old Peyton Manning SoundBite
Speaker 2: from the Pro Bowl those years.
Speaker 6: Ago about Mike vander Jack. The old Mike vander Jack
Speaker 6: line reminds me of that one key going.
Speaker 1: Which takes us to letter.
Speaker 4: Z z z is it out Connie z is for
Speaker 4: zeal As In how Brock Party is approaching this off season.
Speaker 4: He finally has a full off season as the starter.
Speaker 4: His rookie season, it was Trey Lance that was there.
Speaker 4: He was just learning the playbook when OTAs began in
Speaker 4: year two, he was still recovering from the UCL And
Speaker 4: now here they are fresh off of a Super Bowl
Speaker 4: loss but Super Bowl appearance, and now he gets the
Speaker 4: full off season healthy to get everything in line.
Speaker 5: For this year, and they did not trade Brandon Ayute,
Speaker 5: they did not move on from Deebo Samuel Like he
Speaker 5: also brock Party has bulked up. I think it's like
Speaker 5: for a lot of these quarterbacks, like you need a
Speaker 5: couple off seasons to figure out exactly. And he already
Speaker 5: was kind of thick like in general, but like he
Speaker 5: is bulked up. And like I like any quarterback three
Speaker 5: years running in Shanahan's offense.
Speaker 6: And I do like if he's gonna be my avatar,
Speaker 6: you know, as an NFL quarterback, that he's bulking up.
Speaker 6: That were not just these little little children.
Speaker 3: Bulking season.
Speaker 2: Is not a trope that quarterback x beefs up for
Speaker 2: biggest year ever.
Speaker 3: I mean, unless you unless're Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, Like I think the losing it was
Speaker 6: a trope for him though two years ago it just
Speaker 6: didn't worry out. Yeah, he just decided to bring it back.
Speaker 6: He's also coming off you know, probably his worst three
Speaker 6: game stretch of the season happened to be the playoffs.
Speaker 6: I think he played well enough in the Conference championship
Speaker 6: and title game, but he I mean in the Conference
Speaker 6: championship in the Super Bowl. But I think he wants
Speaker 6: to play at a higher level than he did.
Speaker 2: And if this is, if this is who he is,
Speaker 2: which is good, that wouldn't be surprising either. I mean
Speaker 2: he is he was a you know, mister irrelevant for
Speaker 2: a reason. It's not like we should expect him to
Speaker 2: now keep developing into.
Speaker 1: The next Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: Like maybe this just is Rock Party who's a good
Speaker 2: quoest quarterback, and especially when he's in the system, but
Speaker 2: he's not going to be the guy that's special. And
Speaker 2: is that enough for these Niners to finally get over
Speaker 2: the hump?
Speaker 6: I have some optimism that he can continue to improve
Speaker 6: because I think if he was drafted in the second
Speaker 6: round or the first round and like Tuahead put up
Speaker 6: the two seasons that he just put up, like we
Speaker 6: would look at a guy entering his third year who
Speaker 6: improved a lot from year one to year two, which
Speaker 6: is easy to forget, like he was a lot better
Speaker 6: last year overall, and that he can continues keeping it
Speaker 6: going and he's in the best situation maybe in the
Speaker 6: entire NFL.
Speaker 5: I was like, if he hit the ground like running
Speaker 5: the way he did, like I think it can improve
Speaker 5: because like to do that that quickly like tells me that, like,
Speaker 5: we don't know what else he can do, right. I
Speaker 5: think it's only because of the draft stock in a
Speaker 5: situation that we're kind of like punching holes, are looking
Speaker 5: for something that might be fool's gold, and it's like
Speaker 5: we are in fairness.
Speaker 2: It's also play which there have been you know, it
Speaker 2: hasn't always been incredible. There have been moments where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: is this the guy? Is this truly the guy they
Speaker 2: hope he can be. I don't think he's been flawless.
Speaker 2: I don't think he was flawless wawless.
Speaker 5: But it's also like I could point to like ten
Speaker 5: first round picks that have had streets.
Speaker 1: No, he's already a hit. I mean he's a huge
Speaker 1: hit for them regardless. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not even arguing anything other than this idea that
Speaker 2: he has to continue to get better and better, that
Speaker 2: maybe he is like Jared Goff level good, and if
Speaker 2: he is is not enough, It's.
Speaker 6: Funny how different we would look at him if, like
Speaker 6: they the protection was better on that third and four
Speaker 6: play where Chris Jones just got in fresh And the
Speaker 6: more I've watched that, it's like that's really not on
Speaker 6: pretty in any way. It just was a tough spot
Speaker 6: that like if he hits that throw, then he just
Speaker 6: and granted it was the drive is mostly about McCaffrey anyway,
Speaker 6: so it's it's always tough to pull out. But either
Speaker 6: way he would have come up with a touchdown, you know,
Speaker 6: winning drive.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He I think you were pointing out that he had
Speaker 2: a terrible game on Christmas against the Ravens, you know,
Speaker 2: lit up a terrible Washington team at the end of
Speaker 2: the regular seat and then in the playoffs the three
Speaker 2: games that were you know, three games of sub ninety
Speaker 2: passer rating.
Speaker 6: Cockers game was bad, Like they should have lost that game,
Speaker 6: and then that would have been a different narrative that
Speaker 6: people would have been blaming him.
Speaker 2: Right, So he didn't light it up in January and
Speaker 2: into February. But listen, huge hit for them that this
Speaker 2: guy kind of saved their butts in so many ways
Speaker 2: when they whiffed so badly on Trey Lance.
Speaker 1: And and let's see if you can build on it.
Speaker 1: We did it his life.
Speaker 6: You know what, we're only doing two shows a week.
Speaker 6: We're gonna give him a nice meaty sandwich that you
Speaker 6: can throw around the office.
Speaker 1: They'll be tossing it around all right.
Speaker 2: Any final thought, Colleen, you've said a visualization unnecessary.
Speaker 3: The food fights in the.
Speaker 6: The meaty sandwich. Most people hear that and they like
Speaker 6: get hungry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm starving.
Speaker 1: It's the way I am say it right, unrewarded.
Speaker 5: You didn't like the actual the inflection of it. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: I didn't dislike it. I just think it takes you
Speaker 5: to a certain place.
Speaker 1: I asked Colleen if she had anything else to ask.
Speaker 1: She said yes. So now the floor goes to Colleen Wolf.
Speaker 3: Do you guys want to get a sandwich after this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, Okay, I would love to. Mark.
Speaker 3: Mark has something he has to do.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 3: I already know Mark's answer.
Speaker 1: This sounds like if Colleen has never asked this in show. Hey,
Speaker 1: do you want to get a sandwich afterwards?
Speaker 3: I'm starving? Yeah, I'm so hungry.
Speaker 1: Dame, think about Colleen. This could be an important conversation.
Speaker 5: It's not a'm a I'm considering it right now.
Speaker 1: Fuck hit it. That seems like it's going in the
Speaker 1: right direction. We're up to you.
Speaker 3: I'm considering how do I say it vicissitudes.
Speaker 4: Is that not Rightsitude wanitudesitudes he the call