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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff Mom Never told you?

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Speaker 1: From housetop works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Caroline and I'm Kristen, and today is part two

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Speaker 1: of our Summer Reading series. Last time, we talked about

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Speaker 1: banned books, challenged books, books that people want out of libraries,

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Speaker 1: and why books that poisoned children's minds. Today, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about a more specific angle. We're talking about erotica. So

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Speaker 1: your moths for some of you out there. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna keep this conversation PG, but we are going

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Speaker 1: to talk about erotic fiction because it is all the

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Speaker 1: rage this summer um. I promised in the first episode

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Speaker 1: that I was gonna keep fifty Shades of Gray mentions

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Speaker 1: to a minimum, and he or I go again, It's

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Speaker 1: like I can't stop talking about E. L. James and

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Speaker 1: fifty Shades of Gray. Yeah, I I've learned a lot

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Speaker 1: about fifty Shades of Gray in the last hours. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: me too. But you know what we should talk about

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Speaker 1: Before we briefly mentioned where fifty Shades came from and

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Speaker 1: like what it is and all that stuff. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the classics of erotica, because erotic fiction started long

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Speaker 1: before we had kindles to hide what we're reading. Yes,

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Speaker 1: erotic fiction came about long, long, long before kindles came

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Speaker 1: way back to like d with it's the Tiricon, or

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Speaker 1: you've got the Comma Sutra, or that the Cameron. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it actually does give very specific instructions about the

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Speaker 1: But one book that's a little bit more modern, but

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Speaker 1: not not very modern, actually is Fanny Hill Memoirs of

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Speaker 1: top erotica book lists. It's by John Cleveland. It came

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Speaker 1: there's also a Lean and valcour or the philosophical novel

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Speaker 1: And then there's the classic nineteen book that we mentioned

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Speaker 1: into their hands until the nineteen sixties because of censorship laws,

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Speaker 1: and it's D. H. Lawrence's Lady Chatterley's Lover, Lady Chatterley's

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Speaker 1: for The Guardian came up with some more suggestions. He

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Speaker 1: actually recommends the Bible. Yeah, Song of Solomon. I saw that,

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Speaker 1: and I have read Song of Solomon. I was quite

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Speaker 1: to the good stuff, and being like, what does this mean? Interesting, Well,

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Speaker 1: Avid It's the rs Amatoria Uh, it actually lead to

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