WEBVTT - The Perfect Trainwreck

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<v Speaker 1>Wind Down with Jamie Kramer and Michael Coffin and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>her radio podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the holiday season. How hearted it that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? That was last week, Hickory Dick. Another good show

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<v Speaker 1>coming your way, and we don't have any guests, but

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<v Speaker 1>we have some very interesting topics to talk about, some

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<v Speaker 1>current events, topical relational information, and we have Mark and

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<v Speaker 1>Easton and Becky and the whole crew here. So we

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<v Speaker 1>want you guys to chime in today since we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any guess because they know people don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to us for the next hour.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know though, because I was just about to say,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you need guests? And we're the perfect train wreck.

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<v Speaker 2>People love to listen to the I mean someone had

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<v Speaker 2>said to me on Instagram just recently, I love listening

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<v Speaker 2>to your podcast. It's like the perfect train Like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to train wreck, like you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>look away.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, great, thanks, We're like a car crash.

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<v Speaker 1>You just want to rubberneck ads. You drive by and say,

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<v Speaker 1>at least that's not me.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you say when you see a crush?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I more so pray for them and hopefully everyone's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would like to start off as the producer

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<v Speaker 2>Mark and be like, where's the energy today in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you're annoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>You feel like I'm annoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome Mark, like I'm gonna I'm trying to get the goods.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I feel like you've been frustrated with

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<v Speaker 1>me this morning for whatever reason. Okay, a little on

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<v Speaker 1>the edge, and then I'm not annoyed. It's just so

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<v Speaker 1>I have to remind myself that, you know, swipe ups

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff that Janna does is basically why we're able

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the house that we're in. But being

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<v Speaker 1>in the room while she's posting those and having to

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<v Speaker 1>type of things, and she has the slide the sound on,

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<v Speaker 1>so you just hear the same thing over and over

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<v Speaker 1>and over and over again for like ten to fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>minutes as she does the stuff that she has to do. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Fortunately Janna calls herself out and she's like, shut up, Jana,

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<v Speaker 1>I do, but you have the sound on, which which

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<v Speaker 1>I need. Which, yeah, I have more empathy towards now

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<v Speaker 1>after doing Mike Monday than having to do some of

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<v Speaker 1>those myself. I get why you need the sound on.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get why you need it all the way

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<v Speaker 1>up to eleven, but I get why you need it on.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm sitting here ready to do our podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just here for five solid minutes. Get it

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<v Speaker 1>your head? What was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Hell a body, which, by the way, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Love I love Hello Botty too. Get your body right

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<v Speaker 1>now before Christmas. Swipe up, swipe up. And I'm just like, okay, like,

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<v Speaker 1>any any minute now, she's gonna be done. And then

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<v Speaker 1>another five minutes. Any minute now, she's gonna be done.

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<v Speaker 1>Another five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the exaggeration. It took me five minutes to post it.

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<v Speaker 1>Which if you sit there in time and sit here

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<v Speaker 1>and listen that for five solid minutes, it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot longer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry for providing for but other than that, I'm great.

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<v Speaker 1>Other than that, I'm fantastic. So what about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you though?

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<v Speaker 1>I am because I felt like this morning, you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta move this tree in our room. We got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the kind of person when it's when there's clutter

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<v Speaker 2>in my way at one like I let it go.

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<v Speaker 2>I let it go, I let it go, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this fucking tree needs to move like it's

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<v Speaker 2>been in and you're like, it's not in your area.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it's halfway in my side table, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>just want it back to where it's at, like the

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<v Speaker 2>original place. And so I just kind of I I

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<v Speaker 2>let things go until I just snap until I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>like I want it in its right place.

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<v Speaker 1>For the record, let's just say include that it could

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<v Speaker 1>be your stuff too, that you'll just let go, let go,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you'll just snap at your own stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, I gotta put this away.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, absolutely, yeah, I mean most times it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I beg to differ. Okay, do you leave

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<v Speaker 1>more stuff around the house than I?

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<v Speaker 2>I leave shoes and them in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 2>room though in every room in this house, right, I do, granted,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do not leave them in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the room. They are placed nicely in the corner of

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<v Speaker 2>every room. Like my white shoes are in the corner

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<v Speaker 2>by the thing. Now I gotta and I move the

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<v Speaker 2>other pairs. But at least I don't leave them in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the room, Like I'm not tripping over

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<v Speaker 2>the shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you trip over shoes?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you're stupid. Sandals I pep over them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad we have couples therapy after this, Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to chime in a are you just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>let this train go for a bust?

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<v Speaker 1>You know there's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Balance there because a lot of times I need to

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<v Speaker 3>be quiet and let it play out. But I will say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you and Mike, you have a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>issues on this podcast that are major and make us

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<v Speaker 3>fear for you future. This is none of those things,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's good. I think I think this is positive.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know what, I'll second that was saying Jane

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<v Speaker 1>and I dreamed about the day that we would have

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<v Speaker 1>normal marriage arguments, and we're we are there, We're having

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<v Speaker 1>normal marriage arguments.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes three.

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<v Speaker 2>I just love it that Mark even's like we all

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<v Speaker 2>fear your relationship, but this one's actually like normal.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I tell you something that I think you might

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<v Speaker 3>get a kick out of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, please.

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<v Speaker 3>We got an email from you guys saying we're running

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<v Speaker 3>ten minutes late every time we get.

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<v Speaker 2>That even we're like, uh oh, I totally hear you

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<v Speaker 2>on that. That makes so much sense.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes all the world, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And granted, because you know, a married couple working together,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have.

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<v Speaker 1>Your It's it's hard, man, It's hard when, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>you have to put on a face and come on

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>No, really, though, this time running ten minutes late was

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<v Speaker 2>just because Mike was annoyed because I was doing slipe ups.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it was because you ran longer on the treadmill

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<v Speaker 1>that he expect. You really went after it today. You

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<v Speaker 1>took a shower and you wanted to do that post

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<v Speaker 1>before we podcast it, and he said, we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any guests today, so can I finish this before? I said, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll email the team.

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<v Speaker 2>And meanwhile the team's like, oh crap.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in for it today. Make sure Mark's on here.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got to produce this shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark will really get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark will really get it out of him, exactly the conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>And really, what it is is I want this tree

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<v Speaker 2>to move. He wants me to put my shoes away.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants me to turn down the volume of my Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>What else, honey? Is there anything else?

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<v Speaker 1>I just it goes back to this over the underlying

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<v Speaker 1>topic or really the big the big picture here of

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think men say as much to their significant others.

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<v Speaker 1>Female significant others about that stuff, like, because I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you a benefit of doubt, she'll move that once she's ready.

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<v Speaker 1>And but one it's the other way around when we're like,

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<v Speaker 1>was ISHO, you gotta move it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, but I've done a I've done

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<v Speaker 2>a test. I've been testing you on something.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not triggering. I love being tested.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's like a stupid test.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about exactly what you were saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have left a bag in the bathroom for

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<v Speaker 2>the last month. Now, granted it's on my side. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>have you noticed it all?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the bag has been sitting on my side

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<v Speaker 2>of the shower, not really in my way, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>still in our communal area. And I'm like, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to leave it there until he says something. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, it's been driving me mad like bunkers. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a month and he still has yet to

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<v Speaker 2>say something.

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<v Speaker 1>The defense rests.

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<v Speaker 3>So is he passed the test or failed the test.

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<v Speaker 1>I've passed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you passed right, But he's passed in the

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<v Speaker 2>negative sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So now I'm supposed to write her ass and say

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<v Speaker 1>something about it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but it where my case rests is that I'm like, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>just don't care. That is laying everywhere. You don't care,

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<v Speaker 2>and that bothers me.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have my breaking point with like my stuff

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<v Speaker 1>too that's laying around or things that are cuttered. I

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<v Speaker 1>have my breaking point too. But for you, that bag

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't affect me in any way, shape or form. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't walk over on that side of the shower. It's

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<v Speaker 1>on your side. I have nothing in the linen closet

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<v Speaker 1>that it's by, so really it didn't bother me. And

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<v Speaker 1>I keep seeing. I'm like, well if she I know

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<v Speaker 1>how she is, if she wants to move it, she'll

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<v Speaker 1>move it. And you know, I've I feel as a

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<v Speaker 1>guide too, because maybe I'll leave more things laying around

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<v Speaker 1>if I say something. My fear is that you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be You're not going to take it receptively, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be like, well you got to move your shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, damn, okay, Yeah, you've given him a test.

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<v Speaker 3>It's impossible for him to pass.

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<v Speaker 2>I do I do hear you now that? Like you

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<v Speaker 2>say that, I understand that, and I can empathize with

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<v Speaker 2>that because I'm like, you know, and actually I think

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<v Speaker 2>I would be upset if like you said something, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, well, why don't you move the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>next to your table? But I think the point is that,

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<v Speaker 2>like you don't like men just don't care that there's

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<v Speaker 2>stuff not in the right place. And I think, as

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<v Speaker 2>a woman, that drives me mad because I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>would love to move this stuff that's been next to

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<v Speaker 2>your like table for a while and find its place.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you can look around now and find things in

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<v Speaker 2>their room.

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<v Speaker 1>But the time is notoriously filthy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hear it. Like the most random

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that just stays on the nights. I'm constantly

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<v Speaker 2>cleaning the nights.

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<v Speaker 1>No you're not. I mean, oh my Lanta.

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<v Speaker 2>This is I will say.

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<v Speaker 3>Though.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were having a girl's night the other night,

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<v Speaker 2>and every single woman there was like, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>say something to our husbands, like it's just a part

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<v Speaker 2>of our And I was like, and I went to

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<v Speaker 2>therapy going why do I always have to say something

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<v Speaker 2>like what what part of me?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is what am I needing? What am I looking for?

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<v Speaker 2>Why am I always wanting to say something, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she really brought it around and made me understand it

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more. And you know, at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day too, it is just like a woman

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<v Speaker 2>man thing, like we just want things put away and

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<v Speaker 2>we are more we have we are more inquisitive, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have more questions and like it's just a man

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<v Speaker 2>versus woman, like we just not we don't care about things,

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<v Speaker 2>but we just I don't know, is it hitting the

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<v Speaker 2>effort in or I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think there's something underlying for women where it's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>not to generalize, but I feel like most women tend

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<v Speaker 1>to see how we handle a certain situation and mimic

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<v Speaker 1>that to maybe what we feel about y'all. Well, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, well, if he doesn't care about this bag,

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<v Speaker 1>that means he doesn't care about me. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>care about keeping this house clean, does that mean he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't care about this family and care about me and

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<v Speaker 1>care about what I need? And so it's like, y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you get on me about taking things personal. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like those kind of things, the day to

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<v Speaker 1>day things women tend to take more personally as a

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<v Speaker 1>reflection on how we feel about y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's something my therapist said. She's like, what's

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<v Speaker 2>really underneath the question? Like why are you really asking it?

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<v Speaker 2>Like is it because that you feel like he doesn't care?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is it because you know? And there's there's there

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<v Speaker 2>was different answers for different questions, and some were just

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<v Speaker 2>like and but it's funny though, because every single woman

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<v Speaker 2>at that girl's night was just like, Oh, I do

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<v Speaker 2>that all the time. Like, for example, when her husband

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<v Speaker 2>came home with too many groceries, why do you have

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<v Speaker 2>to get more groceries than what I you know, why

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<v Speaker 2>do you have to get double of that?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have room? It's like, well, why does she

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<v Speaker 2>have to say that? But it bothers her that he

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<v Speaker 2>gets more groceries and like she has no room to

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<v Speaker 2>fill in her pantry and she likes things order and neat,

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<v Speaker 2>and and he's like, why who cares? I got an

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<v Speaker 2>extra peanut butter? You know. But it's it's just yeah't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just interesting, like why we always have to say something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I genuinely do give you benefit of a doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm just like, okay, if she'll put that away.

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<v Speaker 1>She's an adult, you know. If it was something sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the room. Yeah, it's one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's it's not something affecting me, you know, directly.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're an adult and you'll put it away, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. It's like my closets. My side

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<v Speaker 1>of closet is a mess right now, and I got

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<v Speaker 1>to put those clothes away, and it's like, yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>it was like that for a long period of time,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you would say something. Anybody would.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen your side of the closet clean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like as soon as I do, it gets dirty again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's never I mean the last house that we were in,

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<v Speaker 2>thank God, we had different closets and I was just

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<v Speaker 2>able to shut it. But now our closets are together.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very and it's a small closet. It's way

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<v Speaker 2>smaller than any closets minus the La home. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a small closet and it is I have to

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<v Speaker 2>purposely not look left because it just gives me anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>Jana has made comments before, Hey, you know the dishwashers

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<v Speaker 1>like dirty. You know it's empty.

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<v Speaker 2>You can throw stuff in there, Yeah, because you've been

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<v Speaker 2>leaving them just in there. And I will say this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me finish. Oka Jana will do the same. At times,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never said anything. I've either left them there or

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<v Speaker 1>I've just put them in the dishwasher. But I don't say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I yes, I'll put your plate in the dishwasher. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just do it. It's just there, you know. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the why say something it's a dirty dish. If

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<v Speaker 1>it was an everyday thing that was constantly happening, that's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. But you and I share the dish's responsibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've just got a little lazier lately with not

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<v Speaker 2>putting it in. I'm just saying, like you have like

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<v Speaker 2>a little I've been emptying the dishwasher so much and

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<v Speaker 2>you've just been like leaving your plates there. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>it takes two seconds to put it in the dishwasher.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you we empty an equal amount, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was about a week there where it was

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<v Speaker 2>just like babe, right, see.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what happens. A week goes by, and it

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<v Speaker 1>happens a couple of times, and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>it's this big, not big, it's like pandemic that's happening, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>within our household. Pandemic within a pandemic, the inception of

0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.600
<v Speaker 1>a pandemic in our household. That whoa. You know, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>he just really leaves his plates around.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, I need to take a break and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go up to the dishwasher. Go ahead, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you got for us?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? So Dancing with the Stars, that's your squad.

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<v Speaker 1>Chrishelle stous is dating your boy ko I love Q.

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<v Speaker 2>I texted him the other day and was like, you

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<v Speaker 2>finally found your queen because when I was on Dancing

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<v Speaker 2>with the Stars, he was always and he's got that

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<v Speaker 2>accent and he's just like, you know, I always said,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm trying to find my queen. That's not his

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<v Speaker 2>accent at all. But I'm just like, he just he's

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<v Speaker 2>the most lovable. I loved him so much. He was

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<v Speaker 2>probably my closest dancer guy friend there. And he I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just so happy for him, like I truly am. Because

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<v Speaker 2>and he was just like, oh here, I'm gonna tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what he said back. I think it's fine, he goes.

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<v Speaker 2>He said to me. I texted him cue Yeah, I said, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>you finally found your queen. Happy freebabe, the most deserving

0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.040
<v Speaker 2>And he goes the queen. I will cherish forever. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>my hon. I'm just like, it's so sweet and she

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<v Speaker 2>deserves love because I mean, we had her on our

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<v Speaker 2>podcast and she was so sweet and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what happened with her and Justin, but it seemed like it.

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<v Speaker 2>She was kind of shocked by it all. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that they last and they they work out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it worked for Artam and Bella Bella.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that her name? Niki Nikki bell Nikki Nikki.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they were partners but no first kid, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean these Krishelle was partners with Gleb and I

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<v Speaker 2>felt bad because gled Got is getting divorced and and

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<v Speaker 2>so everyone thought like that was right. So I felt

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<v Speaker 2>really bad that she got looped in again into like.

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<v Speaker 1>Drama of that, right, So well, good for them.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an age difference though, because Keyo's younger.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I mean, what eight years?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like she's older eight years. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I kind of like, I feel like if

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<v Speaker 2>it's an eight year difference, like that man's gonna tweet

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<v Speaker 2>treat her like a total queen or there could be

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<v Speaker 2>a maturity. But I don't think he was immature.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean he's in his thirties, right, Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one. She's thirty nine. So I think when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in your into your thirties, you've matured enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man, I did some older dudes that

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<v Speaker 2>were like twenty years older, and they were not mature.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure, we're still I mean we're still big kids.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean I'm happy for them, though. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>do you got anything else for us?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? How about this? So this was an article on

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Post. Okay, an Instagram model helps women

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<v Speaker 1>catch cheating men by sliding into their dms.

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<v Speaker 2>Genius. Trust me, I've thought of I thought of trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>There was this one thing. It was called like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, what was it called. There was some company

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<v Speaker 2>where basically a it's a like a catch of cheaters.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was called something, and it was almost what

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to do, like before, like I found

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<v Speaker 2>out about things. It's like you hire someone to basically

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, my husband's at public's go and you

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<v Speaker 2>hire this woman to go and basically try to like

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<v Speaker 2>slide in and see what they're going to do. It's

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<v Speaker 2>genius having said that it's fire, because what dude isn't

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<v Speaker 2>going to be I mean, this model's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know, I was reading it and she

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<v Speaker 1>actually said she actually said only a few lied and

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<v Speaker 1>said they're single. She said that actually most of the

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<v Speaker 1>men either didn't answer, they said something mean to her,

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<v Speaker 1>or informed them or informed her that they had a

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend or were together. So I wasn't couraged to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>Say that happens in a new relationship and someone does

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<v Speaker 1>that from like early on in the relationship, what does

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<v Speaker 1>this say? You know, a new relationship does this. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they have some reasons or maybe maybe a person that's

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<v Speaker 1>insecurity does Like has someone try to catch their partner

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<v Speaker 1>and you're the partner and you find out about it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like do you think they could recover after that? Like

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<v Speaker 1>if there's no infidelity at all, no cheating at all,

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<v Speaker 1>been together six months to a year, still new relationship

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<v Speaker 1>and your significant other sets you up like that but

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<v Speaker 1>there isn't anything to be found and you say no

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<v Speaker 1>and deny it and you find out that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if I got set up like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would think for the guide too, if they got

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<v Speaker 2>like I would, that's sneaky and that's crappy, like to

0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.399
<v Speaker 2>randomly set someone up, I would be I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>f you man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Not cool, Like I would be like bye, now was

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<v Speaker 2>it a genius?

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<v Speaker 3>Just like five minutes ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Only if they're like a cheater, like if to see

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<v Speaker 2>if they would cheat again, that's why I would do it. Sorry,

0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess I miss I misspoke there. It's only if

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<v Speaker 2>it was if they were like that makes sense, have

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<v Speaker 2>already cheated, right, let's see if you do it again.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you most people are like I won't stay with

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<v Speaker 2>you if you do it again, like if you did

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<v Speaker 2>if you know, if you had an Instagram or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>If I had this person come out to you and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, all right, I just want to see

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<v Speaker 2>and see what you do and you go forward with it,

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<v Speaker 2>there's my answer. I can't be with you, right because

0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.240
<v Speaker 2>some people just need to know, like will it happen again?

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<v Speaker 2>And to be able to control that, to know, like personally,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that it'd be easy to be like, Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>done because you were that quick to like catch.

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<v Speaker 1>The bait, right, But if someone there's no been if

0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.200
<v Speaker 1>there's been no issues of infidelity in a relationship and

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<v Speaker 1>someone does that.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I don't think it's genius. I think that's you're

0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.960
<v Speaker 2>just playing with fire first of all, and it's rude.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would have a hard time honestly staying with

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<v Speaker 1>the person if they did that to me, Like that

0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.439
<v Speaker 1>would be like you said, it's so sneaky, It's like

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<v Speaker 1>why not just come talk to me?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I'm sorry, but you're gonna find like it's

0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:37.760
<v Speaker 2>it's not it's not smart, Like if they've not done

0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:40.119
<v Speaker 2>it before, you probably don't want to know if they would.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a very close friend of ours had her husband

0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.080
<v Speaker 2>was a sex addict, and she's like, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>know if he'll do it again, And so she had

0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:51.679
<v Speaker 2>created this like fake email and was like meet me

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<v Speaker 2>at this hotel and he bit and he showed up

0:21:55.720 --> 0:22:00.240
<v Speaker 2>and she she was there and yeah, and so was

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<v Speaker 2>like you're done, Like I can't do this with you anymore,

0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.680
<v Speaker 2>you know. So it's just one of those things. It's

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.199
<v Speaker 2>like you just gotta be careful what you're what you're

0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:13.800
<v Speaker 2>putting out there, because most likely if the person's already

0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:15.119
<v Speaker 2>done it, they might bite again.

0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sticky situation.

0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:22.960
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna find the bait regardless, I can't like, you know, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to have boundaries so that he won't

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<v Speaker 2>see a lot of bait. But at the end of

0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:29.320
<v Speaker 2>the day, if he wants bait, he's gonna go get bait.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean, both both are accurate. You don't

0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:36.879
<v Speaker 1>want to throw, you know, meet in the lion's cage,

0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.840
<v Speaker 1>and you also don't want to you know, and if

0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:41.959
<v Speaker 1>you really wanted to find it, then you'd go get it.

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<v Speaker 1>So both are both are definitely accurate. Let's take a break,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I want to touch on something we talked

0:22:48.160 --> 0:23:01.840
<v Speaker 1>on earlier. So we were talking Dancing with the Stars. Earlier,

0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about Artam and Nikki and they were

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 1>having a conversation. I think Artem's uh, I guess now

0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:18.560
<v Speaker 1>brother in law, Nicki's sister's husband was asking him about

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 1>sexter and pregnancy and he was saying, like, it felt

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<v Speaker 1>weird at first, and it is a mental thing and

0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:30.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, but then Nicky was saying, I mean, you

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:32.439
<v Speaker 1>guys are dealing with this hormones, so you guys are

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:35.119
<v Speaker 1>hornying and rowed up, and I want to have more sex.

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<v Speaker 1>And then guys, at first it is a mental thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a weird concept to get around like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you know your baby's in there.

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<v Speaker 2>You ain't poking them in the eye though, But.

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<v Speaker 1>Still I get what Artam's saying that it is weird

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<v Speaker 1>at first, Like you get over it, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>weird at first.

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<v Speaker 2>Why I felt the sexiest when I was pregnant. I

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<v Speaker 2>love like having hyperemesis and terrible pregnancies. I loved being pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>I I empathize that. Of course y'all would take it

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<v Speaker 1>that way, take it personal and stuff, but it is you,

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<v Speaker 1>just you, just like Mark was saying, you're sharing that

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<v Speaker 1>canal and your baby's in there, and it's just But

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<v Speaker 1>once you get past it, you're past it.

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<v Speaker 2>So to the men out there that are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to the wives, So don't take it personal.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, don't take it personal. Don't give up, like, just

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<v Speaker 1>stay with it, both of you, like you know, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>get there, you'll get to the comfort level and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't just take your time.

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 2>It'll be okay, and think about not your baby, not.

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<v Speaker 1>Poking your baby, not poking Jason.

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<v Speaker 3>And after after a couple of weeks, you're gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>ready and you're not gonna care as much.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you got for us? What's next?

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<v Speaker 1>We got any emails? Mark?

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<v Speaker 3>As a matter of fact, we do all right. This

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<v Speaker 3>is from Brittany. How do you go just feel about

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<v Speaker 3>your significant other looking at provocative photos of other women

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<v Speaker 3>or men, whether it's porn or just from Instagram or

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<v Speaker 3>websites like Chive that have these types of photos and gifts.

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<v Speaker 3>Does it make you feel insecure or take away from

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<v Speaker 3>your relationship at all? My boyfriend says every guy looks

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<v Speaker 3>at some form of this, and if he says he isn't,

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<v Speaker 3>then he's lying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not answering this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she wants your perspective on it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was ignorant like this boyfriend in my younger

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 1>years and thought it was normal, and thought every guy

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 1>looked at this kind of stuff. And I did. And

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, Jane and Hiatus ues even in the past

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:43.400
<v Speaker 1>four years of that kind of behavior coming back up,

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<v Speaker 1>and it took, you know, I had to change my

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<v Speaker 1>mindset around it because before, you know, before I was

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<v Speaker 1>in a twelve step program for addiction and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just kind of wrote it off as guy

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<v Speaker 1>doing guy stuff, a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what.

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Some guys are able to do that, and that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Some guys, some relationships can, some women can. Some guys can,

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<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't take anything from their relationship. And that's fine.

0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 1>For me, learning the hard way multiple times, it did

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<v Speaker 1>take away from my relationship. It took away from my

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<v Speaker 1>connection with Janna. It and it just you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was finally able to realize and empathize that objectifying

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<v Speaker 1>another woman is harmful not only to my relationship, but

0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:37.920
<v Speaker 1>it's disrespectful to Janna, you know. And that's the way

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<v Speaker 1>I look at it now. Now Brittany needs to come

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<v Speaker 1>to him in an approachable way and be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>open to things and having a discussion and just sharing

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<v Speaker 1>her heart with him and sharing how she feels about

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:58.200
<v Speaker 1>it and you know, sharing that make up that the

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>way she takes it is like he's using the other

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<v Speaker 1>things over her.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the end, Brittany, like you'll find someone that

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 2>won't put importance in that or care. Yeah, they'll care

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 2>more about you and be like, oh my god, I'm

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 2>so sorry. Yeah, Like I don't need to look at this.

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<v Speaker 3>Next email, Jessica says, my boyfriend and I have been

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:19.959
<v Speaker 3>together for two and a half years, and hasn't been

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<v Speaker 3>a perfect fairy tale.

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<v Speaker 1>To say the least.

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<v Speaker 3>This week, I find out that he cheated early in

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.359
<v Speaker 3>our relationship, sometime within the first year of his dating.

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<v Speaker 3>He refused to tell me if it was once or

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<v Speaker 3>more than once, or what he did or what exactly happened.

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<v Speaker 3>He swears that for the past year since we started

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<v Speaker 3>living together, he has been totally faithful. Where do we

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<v Speaker 3>go from here?

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<v Speaker 2>That's so tough because you're going to feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>entire last few years are a lie. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>first advice is just going to therapy, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if he told you, or if you found

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<v Speaker 2>out and he didn't tell you, I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>he needs to be honest and come forward and say

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<v Speaker 2>you know how many so you have the full knowledge

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:15.199
<v Speaker 2>before you step forward together. Because if he doesn't, you know,

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.159
<v Speaker 2>since he didn't come forth and be a man and

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:21.400
<v Speaker 2>tell you up front, then you know and you found

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 2>this out, well, I think it's important to if he

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 2>really cares and values the relationship, he should now be

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 2>honest about what it was, because then you have the

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 2>full knowledge and the full facts before you can make

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.760
<v Speaker 2>your decision on if it's something you can move forward

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 2>with or not, because what if it was like ten

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 2>something girls or whatever, like you need to know if

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 2>it was just one time versus it's there is different

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 2>there are and I always say it's not different. There's

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 2>times that I'm like, oh, you know, it's one time

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>or thirty like what. But it's silly, like you need

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 2>to know the facts and have it sit where you

0:28:57.760 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 2>feel like it would sit for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And unfortunately, Jessica, you know the fact that you

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 1>had to find out. Chances are this isn't one hundred percent.

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Chances are he is minimizing the past, minimizing what happened

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>so he can brush it under the rug and move forward.

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Because as someone who's been that my entire life, that

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>is what I did every single time, minimized, rationalized, justified,

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and compartmentalized and then try to move on. So that's

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>probably what he's doing again, not for certain, I don't

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 1>want you to hold that against him from Jump Street,

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:56.959
<v Speaker 1>but I think Janna is right. You know, it's up

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>to you whether the number amount or what happened is

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:06.080
<v Speaker 1>a variable in the equation, because yet therapists will tell

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you later down the road whether it's one or a hundred,

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Like the betrayal is still there regardless, so that the

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>big picture of that is still there. But it is different,

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>not to justify a drunken mistake, but if it was

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>this one time thing that he regrets and he's never

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>had communication with him and he hasn't done it since,

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>that is different than, like Jana said, being with ten

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:32.120
<v Speaker 1>other women or being with someone on a regular basis.

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<v Speaker 1>So try to find.

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<v Speaker 2>Out the facts because you're entitled to him.

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you are entitled to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, don't ask for all the facts. There's certainly I

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 2>was going to say, find the number and find you

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 2>know when and that's when and how many? Is really

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>only the details that anyone needs to know, because trust me,

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 2>there's so many things I wish I could burn out

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 2>of my memory for asking.

0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're hurt. Your pain is going to want you

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>to ask every question of the sun, and you're not

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna want to know the answers to everything.

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Agreed.

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>It's always tough. Yeah, it's always tough. And the end

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of the day, we just we empathize with you, Jessica

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and sorry that you have to be going through this,

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it's it's your decision and we know it's

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to know where to go from here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, on a side note, Michael and I get to

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 2>go do couples therapy now. So here's to good times ahead.

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be a great.

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<v Speaker 3>Credit for get credit for time served after this hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's what we talked about. All the fluff on here.

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Now we're gonna get to the good stuff. Mark, And

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>you can't be anywhere insight, oh man.

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Mark can't produce our couples therapy sessions. See this is

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>where I get. I get fearful because I'm going into

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the session, like, man, we've actually been pretty good. I

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>don't really have anything on the top of my plate.

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>And then we go in and I did blind decided

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<v Speaker 1>by a mac truck.

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<v Speaker 2>That was like the last week, Like last week, you

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 2>like got on me about something which I can't remember

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 2>now what it was, but I was like, I thought

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 2>we were good. Do you remember what that was about?

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Like something so out of the blue where I was like,

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>what I thought we were good? You had some complaint

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 2>about me, and it was just it was seemed so big.

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 2>And then I was just like I it's like like you.

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like I thought we were good, like we

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 2>haven't fought, Like, do you remember what it was?

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Is it when I felt taken advantage of?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was after that, it was something else.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, See, isn't that crazy. It was because we got

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 2>into it because I got really defensive about it, which

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 2>my work was bad because I was like, I got

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 2>really frustrated because I was like, where is this coming from?

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>And I wasn't. I wasn't even trying to like make

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 1>a big deal about it. I was just expressing what

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>was coming up. I don't remember. It's not so funny

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>that we forget. Yeah, I mean, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>What's our email mark? Because I really would love more

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>people to email us.

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 3>It's a great question. Wind down at iHeartRadio dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Wind down at iHeartRadio dot com. You guys email us.

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 2>We'd love to talk about other people's stuff.

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I love to talk about your your in a

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 1>good way because we all have some we all deal

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<v Speaker 1>with it and we have different ways of going about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a nice fight, have a good fight.