1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,599 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Saga and Crystal here. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 2: Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: and we are so excited about what that means for 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: the future of the show. 5 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: This is the only place where you can find honest 6 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 7 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: not exist anywhere else. 8 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: So if that is something that's important to you, please 9 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: go to Breakingpoints dot com. 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He was in a meeting in the Oval 18 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 3: Office yesterday with NATO Secretary General Mark Rutta and made 19 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: some comments about get us a one hundred percent tariff 20 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: potentially on Russia. 21 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 4: We can go ahead here and roll see one. 22 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 5: We are very unhappy, I am with Russia, but we're 23 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 5: very very unhappy with him, and we're going to be 24 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 5: doing very severe tariffs if we don't have a deal 25 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 5: in fifty days. Tariffs said about one hundred percent. You'd 26 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 5: call them secondary tariffs. As you know, we've spent three 27 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 5: hundred and fifty billion dollars approximately on this war with 28 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 5: Russia and Ukraine and would like to see it end. 29 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 5: It wasn't my war, it was Biden's war, and we 30 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 5: want to see it end. And I'm disappointed in President 31 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 5: Putin because I thought we would have had a deal 32 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 5: two months ago, but it doesn't seem to get there. 33 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 5: So based on that, we're going to be doing secondary 34 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 5: tariffs if we don't have a deal in fifty days. 35 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 6: It's very simple, and they'll be at one hundred percent. 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 4: Okay. 37 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 3: So that seems to be Donald Trump acknowledging or realizing, 38 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: not acknowledging, but realizing Crystal that he is losing leverage. 39 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: What did he say to Zelenski? You done have the cards? 40 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: It seems like Trump is walking head first into what 41 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: many of his critics said earlier was just the reality 42 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: that Putin is so determined to continue the war that 43 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: for Donald Trump to come to the table on this 44 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 3: and get a deal within twenty four hours, but even 45 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: within a month, two months, three months, four months, five. 46 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: Months, six months is where we are right now. 47 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: There will likely have to be significantly more concessions from 48 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: Ukraine than the Trump administration right now is willing to entertain. 49 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 50 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: No, it would be a bitter pill to swallow. I mean, 51 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 2: there's no doubt that ending this conflict will be difficult 52 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: and would require really forcing Ukraine to accept, you know, 53 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: significant annexing of their territory by Russia. And that is 54 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: a bitter pill to swallow. There's no doubt about it. 55 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: It may be an unacceptable pill to swallow for you know, 56 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: I think I think a. 57 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 7: Lot of Americans would object to that. 58 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: And that's part of why you have these wars go 59 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: on and on and on, because it's easier to sustain 60 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: them and kick the can down the road than it 61 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: is to actually bring them to a ugly messy which 62 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: it would be conclusion. And you know, Trump came in 63 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: incredibly arrogant, never was really pressed on how he would 64 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: bring about this magical end of the conflict. Before he 65 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: even was in office, in twenty four hours, he would 66 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: have this ended. And you know, I think he was 67 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: arrogant and foolish enough to believe that he had that 68 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: kind of relationship with Putin where he could just call 69 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: his buddy on the phone and be able to work 70 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: something out and do a deal the way that he 71 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: is accustomed to doing. And obviously reality has hit him 72 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: in the face right now, and so he's swinging now 73 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: in the other direction and going hard neocon. I mean, 74 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: in some ways now we're getting a preview of a 75 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: policy that will mean more hawkish than what the Biden 76 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: administration did. Between this, you know, the hawks like Lindsay 77 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: Graham have been pushing additional aggressive sanctions on Russia, which guys, 78 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: we already had. Russia's already the most sanctioned country on 79 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: the planet. Like the idea that additional sanctions are going 80 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: to further do anything, I mean, I think it's I think. 81 00:03:58,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 7: It's far fetched. 82 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: We should skip a C four then, sorry to go 83 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: out of order, control room. 84 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 4: But to your point, let's put C four up on screen. 85 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: The Russian stock market actually went up two point four percent, yeah, yesterday, which, yeah, 86 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: it goes to exactly the point that you were just making, 87 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 3: making like they've maybe actually what Trump could have said 88 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: at this Oval office pressure yesterday with Mark Ritta could 89 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 3: have even been worse. Maybe stocks went up because there 90 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: was an anticipation that Trump could have done something that 91 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 3: wasn't related to sanctions, or that was in some ways 92 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: worse than a one hundred percent. I mean like there's 93 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: they've been sanctioned to hell already. There's there's not much 94 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: you can do on that front to make things worse. 95 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: Well, in addition, we don't have an element for this 96 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 2: because we're just seeing it. But Financial Times published a 97 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: scoop that Trump asked Zelenski if Ukraine could hit Moscow. 98 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: According to people who are briefed on the call, Trump 99 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: has privately encouraged Ukraine to step up deep strikes on 100 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: Russian territory, even asking Zelenski whether he could strike Moscow 101 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: if the US provided long range weapons, which we know 102 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: now we are going to provide. Corn of people briefed 103 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: on those discussions. The conversation took place during the July 104 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: fourth call between the US and Ukrainian leaders, marks a 105 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: sharp departure from Trump's previous stance on Russia's war, and 106 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: his campaign promised to end US involvement in foreign conflicts. 107 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: Remains unclear whether Washington will deliver such weapons, but it 108 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: appears that their sort of cope is like, oh, well, 109 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: NATO's going to pay for it, but first worshipping the 110 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: weapons and we'll see if we get reimbursed on the 111 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: back end. I guess the discussion underscores Trump's deepening frustration 112 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: with Putin's refusal to engage in cease fire talks. So 113 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: you remember how we talked on the campaign trail, and 114 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 2: I think justifiably so his desire to end this conflict, 115 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: as articulated at times during his campaign, I think was 116 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: one of the appeals certainly with the Republican base, but 117 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: I think more broadly with the American people as well, 118 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: was part of a key to him creating this impression 119 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: that he would be an anti war president. And he 120 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: talked about how we were flirting with World War three, 121 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: that under Kamala Harris, we would get world War three 122 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: because of this conflict with another nuclear armed superpower. And 123 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: so now here you are, fast forward to July fifteenth, 124 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 2: and he's encouraging Ukraine to strike Moscow and strike Saint 125 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:25,559 Speaker 2: Petersburg as well, with weapons provided by US. I mean, look, 126 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: I get that we've gotten this far and there hasn't 127 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: been a nuclear blow up. That's good, but that doesn't 128 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: mean that a catastrophic escalation isn't still something that we 129 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: have to concern ourselves with. 130 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: That's a really good point about how he was criticizing 131 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: potential Harris administration, and when we look back on the 132 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 3: Biden administration, the bluster was so dangerous. 133 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 4: The attack comes. 134 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 3: It really really was dangerous, and Republicans capitalized on that. 135 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: And one of Donald Trump's most important arguments from his 136 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: perspective about how he approaches Latin with Putin is that 137 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: he doesn't needlessly antagonize Putin. And this is what Neo 138 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 3: CON's critics said all along was foolish about Trump's strategy 139 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: towards Putin. How many American presidents have gone in and 140 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: said they, you know, saw Putin's soul. 141 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 4: I think that was George W. 142 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 3: Bush in his eyes, and they have trusted Putin. 143 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 4: And the neo Khan said, it always happens. 144 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: You always get the rug pulled out from under you 145 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: by by Vladimir Putin, et cetera, et cetera. Well, it 146 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: doesn't undermined, undermined Trump's point that it's better not to 147 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: be antagonistic towards Putin, but it does start to make 148 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 3: it look like Trump had carried with that some genuine 149 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: naivete about his relationship with Vladimir Putin to your point, Crystal, 150 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: that it is not panning out the way that he 151 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 3: thought it would, where essentially he was like, well, we 152 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: can just pick up the phone, I'll send Steve Whitcoff 153 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: and we'll make a deal. Did not go quite that way, 154 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: and we can sense his frustration. I'm gonna play this 155 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: this moment that Trump had with a reporter in that 156 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 3: meeting with the Native Secretary General Yester. 157 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 4: This is C two. 158 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 6: I want to get the war settled. 159 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 5: They're not Americans that are dying in it. And you know, 160 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 5: I have a problem and JD has a problem. It's 161 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 5: a stance that he's had for a long time. They're 162 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 5: not Americans dying, but there are a lot of people 163 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 5: dying and on something that should be able to be settled. 164 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 6: And we all agree with that. 165 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 5: But I am very disappointed with President Putin. 166 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: I thought he was somebody. 167 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,479 Speaker 5: That meant what he said and so beautifully and then'll bomb. 168 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 8: People at night. We don't like that, thank you everybody. 169 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: So, Crystal, I know that Trump, and this actually I 170 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: do understand, doesn't like to telegraph exactly how far. 171 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 4: He might go. 172 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: But now we pretty honestly have to ask ourselves a 173 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: question if it's as as far as the Biden administration 174 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: was willing to go and in ways that really were 175 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: gambling with potential nuclear Yeah. 176 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: I mean, at this point the policy is pretty indistinguishable 177 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: from the Biden administration, and he seems prepared to push it, 178 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: continue pushing it forward, which was the effective trajectory of 179 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: the Biden administration because it was, you know, the sort 180 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 2: of we sort of drew lines around Okay, well we 181 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: considered these defensive weapons, and then okay, we want these 182 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: longer range things, and over time you give. 183 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 7: More and more and more and more, and. 184 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: There were always these you know, operations that were occurring. 185 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 2: Pretty quickly, we got to operations that were quite inflammatory 186 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: that were occurring within Russia, and we just sort of, 187 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: you know, turned a blind eye to that, even though 188 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: we had said originally that we wanted to keep the 189 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: conflict within Ukraine and not have these attacks within Russia. 190 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: And so that trajectory of continued step by step by 191 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 2: step escalation at this point appears to be followed by 192 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 2: the Trump administration as well. And you know, the thing 193 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: that frustrated me under the Biden administration. The thing that 194 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: frustrates me now is I just don't think anyone could 195 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 2: explain or really has a pl for how this is 196 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: brought to an end. Like, okay, so they and then 197 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: they strike within moskt what then, Like, there's no sign 198 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: that Russia is just one Moscow or Saint Petersburg strike 199 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: away from say, you know what, you're right, we we capitulate, 200 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: we want to come to the table, we want to 201 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 2: strike a deal that's going to be acceptable for Zelenski. 202 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: There's no sign of that, so, you know, I just 203 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: it's one of these incredibly foolish and idiotic but very 204 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: typical American foreign policy situations where there's just sort of 205 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: like it takes on a logic of its own, and 206 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: there's really no plan or no feasible plan for effectuating 207 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: any kind of a you know, a positive or beneficial 208 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: or least bad of all options sort of an outcome. 209 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: It's just I guess we're going to do this now 210 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: and see what happens. 211 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 4: Well, let's yeah, And that it frustrates to no end. 212 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 3: Obviously, people like Albert Colby, who caught all kinds of 213 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: strays in the press last week for trying to some 214 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 3: of these weapons, because the United States at any given moment, 215 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: whether or not you or I agree with the policy, 216 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 3: could find itself in a kinetic conflict over Taiwan, and. 217 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 4: Trump over ruled that. So those frustrations are just. 218 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 3: Going to be I think stronger and stronger among the 219 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: people who were I don't know that anyone has the 220 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: ability to do anything about it. 221 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 4: I mean, this is clearly Trump is driving the show 222 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 4: on this. 223 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter to some extent that there were people 224 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 3: brought in who disagree with the hawkishness here, but that 225 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: frustration from hawks and just from regular people like that, 226 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: that's a pretty significant concern. I want to roll this 227 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: clip from Fox News. This is Lisa Booth reacting to 228 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: Trump's comments. 229 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and roll this as C three. 230 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 9: See the business guy in President Trump. Well, I have 231 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 9: concerns similar to what Paul expressed about. You know, is 232 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 9: this war never ending with Russia and Ukraine? Will it 233 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 9: ever end? You know, Russia has a larger military, they 234 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 9: have more people to sacrifice at the altar of this war. However, 235 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 9: I think President Trump deserves her deference. 236 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 7: He's always right. 237 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 9: When has he been wrong about foreign policy, as naysayers 238 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 9: are the everyone said there was gonna be a World 239 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 9: War three three after you know, sending those bombs to 240 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 9: Iran and taking out some of their nuclear facilities or 241 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 9: at least badly damaging them. That didn't come to fruition, right, 242 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 9: So he's repeatedly been or you know, moving them messy 243 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 9: to Jerusalem. Everyone was worried about that, right, So everyone 244 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 9: has been wrong, He's always been right, so he could 245 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 9: he deserves our difference. 246 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 4: Christ I was thinking about this. 247 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: It reminds me of like if you have a friend 248 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 3: who's playing blackjack and like hit me, hit me, and 249 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 3: they make the most irrational call and they end up winning, 250 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 3: and then. 251 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 4: They turned to you and they're like, see, you were wrong. 252 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I wasn't. You shouldn't have done that. 253 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 3: I'm glad it worked out really well, but you shouldn't 254 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: have done that. 255 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 4: This is this is not the right. 256 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 7: Strategy right well. 257 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 2: And I mean with the Iran thing, that presumes that 258 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 2: that's all all over and done, which we're about to 259 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: talk about Israel, it's not a good assumption whatsoever. So yeah, 260 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: but I mean, you know it speaks to this broader 261 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: conversation about MAGA disappointments with Trump, and certainly the most 262 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 2: up said i've seen any portion of the magabase is 263 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 2: over Jeffrey Epstein, although already in real time you see 264 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: the influencers trying to gather everybody. You know what, We're 265 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: going to trust Trump, We're going to move on. But 266 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: you know, you would think that on a matter of 267 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 2: Warren Peace, this really was a central promise of how 268 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 2: he would be different than a potential Kamala Harris administration. 269 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 2: And now you've got a complete one to eighty where 270 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: it's just an embrace effectively of the Biden policy. And 271 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: you know the line here, at least from this individual 272 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: in Fox News. But I think, you know, I don't 273 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: think we'll see much upset over this from the MAGA 274 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: influencer world or the MAGA faithful as well. He knows 275 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: what he's doing, so we'll just trust Trump. That's what 276 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 2: it always kind of comes back to. 277 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I think that sounds rather naive 278 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: to put it nicely, I suppose or charitably, I think. 279 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: You should trust anybody like That's what I was just 280 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: gonna say. Yeah, I mean, I don't care how much 281 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: you like the guy or feel like whatever, like no, 282 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: And you know, I think there were a lot of 283 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: people on the Democratic side who fell into this trap 284 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: under the Obama administration where it was like, well, we 285 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: love this guy, so sure he's like upping the Druid 286 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: war and doing these you know, like getting a list 287 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: of people to assassinate and going forward with and committing 288 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: all the wait, you know it's Obama, so he must 289 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: be doing it in a responsible way, and you know 290 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: it's I think it's even more so under the trumpet 291 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: with Trump, because he has such a strong force and 292 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: culture personality that this this idea of just like, well, 293 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: he must know better, so we're just going to trust 294 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: him on this. We're just going to trust him on 295 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: a run. We're just going to trust him on Epstein 296 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: and whatever. That is a place where I think it 297 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: is always safe for MAGA influencers to land, you. 298 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 3: Know, like, I know, we're both in the same boat 299 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 3: on this. But however, this war, like this war is 300 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: a meat grinder. It is a tragedy every single day. 301 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: So if if Trump pulls this off, if he says 302 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: hit me and it works, then I think that would 303 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: be wonderful. But we are six months in and he's 304 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: even testing the patience of. 305 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 4: Fox News on the Ukraine question. 306 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: So not a time for optimism as it relates to 307 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: finally getting it into this. 308 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: All right, well, let's talk about our great ally in 309 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: all of this, Israel. Maybe Nannahum making some pretty interesting 310 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: comments on his reflections about the very fronts of this war, 311 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: saying that actually the eighth front in his many wars 312 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: that he's started is disinformation. 313 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 7: Let's take a listen to that. 314 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 10: This is the eighth front. The disinformation campaign is amongas 315 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 10: you know, takes a second for a lie to circulate 316 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 10: the world, and then you have to battle it with 317 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 10: the only weapon you ad, which. 318 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 4: Is the truth. 319 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 10: And truth is slower than lies and more difficult to 320 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 10: ask because you have to get the facts. You have 321 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 10: to When you lie, you can say anything and it's instantaneous. 322 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 10: When you tell the truth, you have to ascertain the facts. 323 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 10: And until you do that in the electronic age, boy, 324 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 10: that like it encircle the earth, you know, a thousand times, 325 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 10: so it's a handicap. But we'll fight the information war two. 326 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 10: And you know, basically you have the weapon of truth. 327 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 10: We just have to be more efficient at disclaiming, and 328 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 10: I think we have to shame the media that does this. 329 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: I have to think that this is a reaction to 330 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, there's just a sense that 331 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: they've lost control of the narrative. And yeah, after now, 332 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: we're coming up not too long from now in two 333 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: years of all of us seeing like bombed and you know, 334 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: obliterated babies and bombed tents and hospitals and schools and 335 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: mosques and churches and everything else in our timelines. That 336 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: guess what, some of that is going to break through 337 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: despite your best efforts. It's interesting, of course that he 338 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: thinks in these explicit terms. It's interesting that this front 339 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: of the war, like all of the other fronts of 340 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: this war, this you know, assault, requires the assistance of 341 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 2: the United States of America, where I'm sure he would 342 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: love to see even more censorship than has already been 343 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: put in place on the domestic population in service of 344 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: his atrocities. So, you know, I think it's I think 345 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: it's very interesting and revealing comments. And I think of 346 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: the trays Emily, a sense that you know, of a 347 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: loss of control of the narrative, and you know, the 348 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: democratic base is basically gone I mean, there's some eighty 349 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: percent that are disgusted with what Israel has been doing 350 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: in our support of Israel on the democratic side, but 351 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: you had a turning for USA just on display, especially 352 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: among young Republicans, increasing discuss there as well that in 353 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 2: the sense that this is not in this is not 354 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: America first, it is not in America's interest to constantly 355 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: be you know, catering to this one client state. So 356 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: you know, it seems to me that he has some 357 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: concerns about the way that American attitudes on both sides 358 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 2: of the Aisle have really shifted against them. 359 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I imagine, and I think you're right that 360 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 3: we can sense this in creeping into public view. There 361 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 3: is something close to panic in Lahoud when they look 362 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 3: at American polling and when they look at on the 363 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 3: American right, and this gets it manifests in the grossest 364 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: way of just trying to weaponize anti Semitism, charges of 365 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 3: anti Semitism very bluntly to rather than actually, I mean, 366 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: a much more constructive way, if you're Natanyahu to deal 367 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 3: with all of this would would not be to accuse 368 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 3: people of believing false information or peddling disinformation or anti 369 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 3: Semitism or Natanyahu's allies like a Mike Huckabee. The constructive 370 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: way is to deal with the substance of people's questions 371 00:18:55,080 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 3: and concerns. But the I think fear and panic is 372 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: just inducing this impulse to to lump people into awful 373 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 3: categories and to dismiss things. Disinformation it is. It goes 374 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 3: without saying, of course, but it is very rich to 375 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: hear a lecture on disinformation from Nets and Yaku. I mean, 376 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: it's the incredible stuff. Yeah, it's just incredible stuff. And 377 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 3: that's part part of what has I think shifted opinion 378 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: on the right is people sort of looking around and 379 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 3: realizing that their beliefs about Israel were sort of a 380 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: house of cards to some extent, or their beliefs about 381 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 3: your sort of deference to Nets and Yahoo, not about 382 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 3: Israel itself. You know, I think broadly you would probably 383 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 3: still have support for the concept of Zionism on the 384 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: American right, but for American continued American support and for 385 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 3: Nets and Yahoo's ongoing war. No, you have like creater 386 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 3: and support, especially among young Republicans, which bodes very poorly 387 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 3: for their ability to keep America in Israel's corner. Decades 388 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 3: into the future. 389 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you look at the polling, basically 390 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: the one group that is still firmly in the Zionist Yes, 391 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: we support Israel no matter what camp are like Boomer Republicans, 392 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 2: young Republicans are pretty evenly divided. And so I think, 393 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: you know, for Bieb, he was probably because he's part 394 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: of making it a more part of like making it 395 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: more parts when he came to Washington under Obama and 396 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 2: he was advocating against the JCPOA whatever. 397 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 5: I think he's. 398 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: Probably kind of okay with the Democratic Party shifting away 399 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 2: from Israel as long as he's still got the Republicans 400 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: and as long as he still has you know, obviously 401 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: at the elite Democratic level, they still have plenty of 402 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: influence there. 403 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 7: But to see the. 404 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 2: Bubbling discontent on the Republican side as well, and Israel 405 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 2: becoming a real fault line within the Republican Party in 406 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: the same way it's a huge schism between like the 407 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: base and the elites and the Democratic Party, but it's 408 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: become a real schism in the republic Party as well. 409 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: As talking to Saga about this yesterday, because in the 410 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: same way on the Democratic side, Israel exposes a hypocrisy 411 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 2: of a supposed commitment to human rights on the Republican side, 412 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: it exposes the hypocrisy of a supposed commitment to America first. 413 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: So it really has become this sort of central dividing line. 414 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 2: And you know, at the same time, also you have 415 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: and this also speaks to that America forest orientation. 416 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 7: Put D two up on the screen. 417 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 2: You had an American from Florida who's just murdered by 418 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank. He's visiting front, 419 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 2: visiting family in this village when settlers beat him unconscious 420 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: and then blocked an ambulance from reaching him for hot 421 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: wors so they beat him nearly to death, and then 422 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: when medics attempted to respond, they blocked those ambulances from 423 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 2: being able to come and provide medical assistance to this 424 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 2: again American citizen who was there visiting family, and he died. 425 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 2: In addition, Emily, I don't know, I think you probably 426 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: saw this. CNN's Jeremy Diamond, who is there like Jerusalem 427 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: based correspondent, was traveling out with the team to try 428 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 2: to cover this story, and their vehicle was attacked by 429 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: violent illegal settlers as well. So you know, in what 430 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 2: way is it America first? I guarantee you want to 431 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 2: hear from any Republican But Donald Trump isn't going to 432 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: be concerned about this American who was beaten to death 433 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: by settlers who are enabled and supported by our great allies, 434 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: the Israelis. You want to hear about it from this 435 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: Republican administration that is supposedly quote unquote America first. 436 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 4: Well, in this conflict is obviously it always has been 437 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 4: a swirl of disinformation. That's hard if you're on the 438 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 4: other side of the world to know immediately what's true 439 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: and what's false. But for Netsan Yahoo in this case, 440 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 4: or actually, let's just take the Jeremy Diamond post, he 441 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 4: says that their car was attacked by settlers. What was 442 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 4: CNN doing? 443 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: Just getting to the disinformation claims that often come up 444 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 3: here and have in the case of the American who 445 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 3: was killed. And I don't know the truth of that, 446 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 3: But I can look at the case of CNN and say, 447 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 3: I don't think CNN was throwing rocks at the settlers. 448 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 3: I don't think CNN did anything to warrant this attack. 449 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 3: And so often we are told that there are not 450 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 3: unprovoked attacks. 451 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 4: That the attack was. 452 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 3: Any attack that we're considering must have been provoked in 453 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: some way or another. But that's obviously not the case 454 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 3: with the CNN crew, who was just trying to do 455 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 3: their jobs. So it's just like here you go an 456 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: example right there to refute any claims that you know, 457 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 3: say that, say the CNN crew had just been Palestinians, 458 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: you know, you would you would probably hear all kinds 459 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 3: of things about provocations. 460 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 7: And you wouldn't even hear about it. 461 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 4: Only well if you did, you would. If you did, 462 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 4: you would hear that they were throwing rocks or something. 463 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's their Hamas. They would be Hamas for sure, 464 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 2: But it hard to hard to say Jeremy Diamond is 465 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: Hamas in this instance. 466 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 7: You know. The other thing I. 467 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: Think about is like, imagine it was a Jewish American 468 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: who was visiting family in Israel and was beaten to 469 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: death by Palestinians. How do you think that that would 470 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: be treated by the news media. How do you think 471 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: it would be treated by this administration? I mean, just 472 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 2: the absolute blatant double standard is so glaring and so 473 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: grotesque at this point that you know, to take it 474 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: back to be there concerned about the disinformation front in 475 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 2: his eight front apparently you know war that he's that 476 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: he is committing here. His ability to keep a lid 477 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: on things that are so obdos, like the fact that 478 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: you know, there's this blatant double standard when it comes 479 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: to Palestinians versus Israelis, is part of the loss of 480 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 2: his control, like he can no longer keep all these 481 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 2: things together in the age of social media, and just 482 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: with how brazen it all is at this point. So 483 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't surprise me that part of what 484 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: he and his allies in the US and the Trump 485 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 2: administration has been happy to go along with is this 486 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: intense censorship campaign against Americans and against foreign students as 487 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: well who have come here. 488 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: Christ I just wanted to see me such an important 489 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 3: point about social media and then losing their grip because 490 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 3: if we go back to the shirinapu Accula case, also 491 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 3: an American and in that case, the Israeli government put 492 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: out statements that I think they thought would hold but 493 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: because the media had access CNN I think initially did 494 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 3: along and thorough investigation into this. They had access to 495 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 3: all of these different social media posts or people had 496 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: taken videos with their smartphones and all of that, and 497 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 3: because of Google Maps and their ability to sort of 498 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 3: piece these things together, they were able to have audio 499 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 3: experts listen to different snippets that have been recorded, and 500 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 3: everything sort of fell apart when you were able to 501 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 3: kind of with free information string or put different pieces 502 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 3: of the puzzle together. And so you can't just put 503 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 3: out a statement and expect the American government to swallow 504 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 3: it whole cloth anymore, because the American media is not 505 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: always going to swallow. 506 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 4: Its whole cloth. 507 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 3: Now, American media is obviously going to be more concerned 508 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: about does of journalists than people who are visiting family. 509 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 3: So that's sadly true in the case of shrin Abu Bakla. 510 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 3: But it's much much harder to just say this is 511 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 3: our story, this is the story, and then get the 512 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 3: United States and the US media to go along with it. 513 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: Let's go and put D three up on the screen, 514 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: because this is just this picture says so much. So 515 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: this is when NETANYAHUO was in town, and you've got 516 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: a bipartisan group of senators there and members there who 517 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 2: are meeting with him, and that's Corey Booker try and 518 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 2: hide so and it's just so perfect, and I think 519 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: it speaks to the moment so much where it's like 520 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: Corey Booker is still all the way in with Israel, 521 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: but he's smart enough to realize it's not a great 522 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 2: look at this point, so he tries to have it 523 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 2: both ways by being at the photo op with Netnaho 524 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: but also trying to hide Gretchen Whitmer style during the picture. 525 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 2: It's just to me, it's a perfect encapsulation of the 526 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: cowardice a Democratic Party elites, the culpability of Democratic Party elites, 527 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: and of Corey Booker himself. 528 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that picture for Corey brutal is Corey 529 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: Booker is brutal? Yeah, brtal Corey Booker is brutal. And 530 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 3: you asked Congressman Conna about this a little bit earlier 531 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: in the show, Crystal. But the sentiments of Democratic voters 532 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 3: have shifted so significantly that it's very possible this is 533 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: a picture that follows Corey Booker throughout his, oh his 534 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 3: political career, and is a problem for him. 535 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I would say so. 536 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: Last piece I definitely want to get to here because 537 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 2: it ties back to the Iran conversation we were having 538 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: put D four up on the screen. Phoebe has apparently 539 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: told Trump that Israel will go back to war with 540 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 2: Iran if the quote nuclear threat resumes, and apparently, Emily, 541 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 2: we are in the business of just taking Israel's word 542 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 2: for what is going on in Iran. So if net 543 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: Yahoo down the road tells Trump, hey, they restarted the 544 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: nuclear program, now they may well. In fact, what we've 545 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 2: done has made it much more likely that they actually 546 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 2: pursue a nuclear weapon. That created a logic that would 547 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: make it much more likely that they would pursue a 548 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: nuclear weapon. But you know, I think it's very likely, 549 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 2: I would say possible to likely that we come down 550 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: the road a little bit and that now who says sorry, 551 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: trying to like, look there, they restarted their nuclear program. 552 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: You can trust our intel doesn't really matter what the 553 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: US intel community says. Apparently, and we're going to be 554 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: right back in the situation that we saw unfold before. 555 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 4: So net Yahoo's in town last week. 556 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 3: We mentioned this earlier in the show, and the New 557 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 3: York Times publishes a single anonymous Israeli source saying that 558 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 3: not all of the enriched uranium was moved, which Chris 559 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: what We talked about this on Friday show. I think 560 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: we all believe that sounds very plausible, that that may 561 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 3: well be true. But the reason that you put it 562 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 3: out that way is you're trying to plant the seeds 563 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: for escalation once again. And that was never I mean, 564 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 3: I think that was that was never out of the 565 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: question at all as soon as the twelve day wore. 566 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 3: And that's where you know, there's a lot of victory 567 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 3: laps being taken like, oh, you guys were you guys 568 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 3: were wrong that World War three would start. 569 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 4: It's like, well, it's been a or what it's been 570 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 4: like ten days. 571 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: I hope to goodness that we were wrong I don't 572 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: know that that's the case yet. 573 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 4: And examples like this are. 574 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: Why well, and I don't think any of us ever 575 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 2: said it will leave you world War three, right. It's example, 576 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 2: you're playing with fire and they were and continue, Yeah, 577 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 2: they continue to play with fire, and BB knows what 578 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: he wants and is going to continue to plant those 579 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: seeds and push in this direction. And so you know, 580 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: one step was that article saying hey, they kept their 581 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 2: own uranium, and the next step is him informing Trump like, look, 582 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: you know, we don't want to do it, but if 583 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: they go back to if they restart the nuclear program, 584 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: we're going to have no choice. 585 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 7: And it also ties into the Epstein thing because hey, 586 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 7: if there's there there with regard to. 587 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: Trump, then we all know he's going to go along 588 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: with whatever the Israelis ultimately want him to do. 589 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, what choice would he have? Now? 590 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 3: Obviously you always have a choice not to get Black Mount, 591 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 3: but it's if that's what's happening. 592 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 4: But yeah, there's significant way in all likelihood. 593 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: All right, Emily, I'm going to let you go for 594 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: the day because I know you have some other things 595 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: to tend to. 596 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 7: But thank you as always. And is it you and 597 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 7: Ryan tomorrow? 598 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 4: I think Ryan's in Ireland. 599 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 7: Well that's you and me tomorrow. 600 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 4: So I do like when we have to do this 601 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 4: on air. I think it's all right. 602 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: Well, I'll message you later and we'll work it out. 603 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll make Sager be in from it. We can 604 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: have all magat show again. People people may enjoy that. 605 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 2: All right, you later, lady, see. 606 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 6: Yeah. 607 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: Really excited to be joined this morning by Joshua Aaron. 608 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: He is a tech entrepreneur and he is the developer 609 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: of an app called ice Block that allows users to 610 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: report where they've seen ice in the vicinity. 611 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 7: Joshua, it is great to have you. 612 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 4: Welcome. 613 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me Crystal. 614 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, so we can put a little bit 615 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: of a view up on the screen of what this 616 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: app looks like, so people can kind of get a 617 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: sense of it. You can see, you know, maps showing 618 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 2: location that has been reported of ice. Agents just talked 619 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: to us a little bit about why you decided to 620 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 2: develop this app and what you hope that it accomplishes. 621 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 8: Sure, so you know, when I saw it was going 622 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 8: on with the first Trump administration and then of course 623 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 8: his rhetoric on the campaign trail for his second you know, 624 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 8: reading Project twenty twenty five and just kind. 625 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 6: Of seeing the forest through the trees, I guess. 626 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 8: I knew what was coming down the pike, and I 627 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,959 Speaker 8: wanted to do something to help fight back. So, you know, 628 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 8: growing up in a Jewish household and being a member 629 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 8: of that community, I had the opportunity to meet Holocaust 630 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 8: survivors and learn all about the history of Hitler's rise 631 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 8: to power and Nazi Germany. And so when we see 632 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 8: five year olds in courtrooms without representation, when we see 633 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 8: college students being disappeared for their political beliefs, and even worse, 634 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 8: when we see babies being ripped from their mother's arms 635 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 8: with their screening for their children in the name of patriotism. 636 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 8: You know, we're kind of seeing history repeat itself. And 637 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 8: this was the best way that I could use my 638 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 8: talents to help fight back. 639 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: Tell people just specifically how the app works and what 640 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 2: it actually does. 641 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 8: Sure, so it's a crowded source app, and basically what 642 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 8: it does is akin to something like Ways or Apple Maps, 643 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 8: where when you're driving down the road and you get 644 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 8: an alert that says, hey, there's a speed trap reported ahead, 645 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 8: what do you do? 646 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 6: You slow down? You avoid the situation. 647 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 8: Sort of the same concept with ice block, where users 648 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,479 Speaker 8: can report sightings of ice that they see in public. 649 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 8: You know, so they see an ice rate going on, 650 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 8: or they see trucks pulling off, they can report that 651 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 8: location and all users within a five mile radius get 652 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 8: an alert and it comes up in the list on 653 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 8: their device within. 654 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 6: The app, and the idea is informed, not obstruct. 655 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 8: So let's have them avoid that situation, turn left, turn around, 656 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 8: go home, and protect themselves and their families. 657 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: It will not come as a surprise to you that 658 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: this is very controversial. Can put E three up on 659 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: the screen. In fact, you've come under fire sort of 660 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: directly from the administration. 661 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 7: Wrote an article about about. 662 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: Ice block and the response here from the ICE Acting 663 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 2: director Todd Lyons said, CNN's promotion of an ICE spotting 664 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 2: app is reckless and irresponsible. Advertising an app that basically 665 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 2: paints a target on law enforcement officers backs is sickening. 666 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: My officers and agents are already facing a five hundred 667 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 2: percent increase in assaults and going on live television to 668 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 2: announce an app that it goes on from there. But 669 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 2: basically you get the sense of their position here. And 670 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: what's your response to this allegation that you're painting a 671 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 2: target on law enforcements backs. 672 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 8: Well, let me say this, first of all, Crystal, welcome 673 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 8: to the party, because now you're helping, you know, kind 674 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 8: of get the word out as well. And I do 675 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 8: appreciate that as far as painting a target on ICE's back, 676 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 8: that's that's not what this is at all. And just 677 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 8: you know, to my point that I just explained, this 678 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 8: is informed not to obstruct. No one is boxing agents, 679 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 8: No one is obstructing justice as far as like what 680 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 8: we're purporting to do, right, this app just simply says, hey, 681 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 8: this is where ICE has been seen avoid the situation. 682 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 8: So you know, as far as they're five hundred percent 683 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 8: rhetoric with assaults, it was four hundred the week before, 684 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 8: and now it's you know, it was five hundred then 685 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 8: now it's seven hundred to you. 686 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 6: Tomorrow to be five thouts. 687 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 8: And the reality is these assaults are are ridiculous for 688 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 8: the most part. I mean, it's as innocuous as brushing 689 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 8: your arm up against an ICE agent and patting them 690 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 8: on the back. 691 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 6: And now what we're. 692 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 8: Seeing is if a US citizen gets rounded up in 693 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 8: these raids, they figure out their US citizen and then 694 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 8: they charge them with assault so that they don't look bad. 695 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 6: So you know, it's just all fear mongering and hate rhetoric. 696 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 2: I recall earlier in this administration, Congressman Akasia Korte has 697 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 2: was doing informational sessions just for immigrants to know their 698 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 2: basic rights, and she came under fire from this administration 699 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 2: and has been threatened with being charged or Tom Homan 700 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 2: went after her directly. Are you concerned of similar legal 701 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 2: jeopardy because of your development of the ice block app. 702 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 8: You know, I got to be honest, I'm not really 703 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 8: concerned about it because this is a protected speech under 704 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 8: the First Amendment. It's very clear, and I had multiple 705 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 8: constitutional and criminal attorneys look at this before the app 706 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 8: was launched, and all of them agreed that this is 707 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 8: protected speech. So much like any authoritarian regime spreading fascism 708 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 8: throughout their nation, anytime anybody opposes their mission to basically 709 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,479 Speaker 8: hurt people and take control, they're going to push back 710 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 8: and they're going to demonize that person. They're going to 711 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 8: come after what they're doing, and that's exactly what they're doing. So, 712 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 8: as I've said before, they can continue to come after me, 713 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 8: they can continue to demonize me, they can continue to 714 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 8: demonize the app all they want, but none of their 715 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 8: arguments hold any water, and all it serves to do is. 716 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:57,959 Speaker 6: Energize their base. 717 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 2: Joshua, what have you thought about the alliance between the 718 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 2: many of the large tech companies and this administration. Obviously 719 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 2: you have some major tech figures who elon Musk previously 720 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 2: as a major part of this government, Peter Thiel with 721 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 2: significant influence, Mark and Drees and David Sachson, active part 722 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 2: of this government. Jane Vance seems to have been handpicked 723 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 2: by these tech right figures. 724 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 7: What do you make of this alliance? 725 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 8: I think it's terrible. I mean, I guess that's it's 726 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,439 Speaker 8: the best way to put it. But you know, these 727 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 8: are people who have their priorities mixed up. You know, 728 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 8: I would say, look, we understand that you have employees 729 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 8: to take care of. We understand that you have stockholders 730 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 8: to report to. But at what point do you say 731 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 8: enough is enough? Like when are you going to grow 732 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 8: backbone and start going I don't think this is the 733 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 8: right thing to do, and hurting people may not be 734 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 8: the best path to longevity for my corporation. You know, 735 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 8: people have said, well, you're released it on the Apple platform. Well, 736 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 8: Tim Cook it donated a million dollars in Trump's campaign, 737 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 8: and I've countered that by saying, you know, I think 738 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 8: what he did was donate that money to avoid tariffs 739 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 8: on his products, because if those tariffs went into effect, 740 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 8: people would be paying four thousand dollars or something for 741 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 8: an iPhone. I don't think Tim supports this at all. 742 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 8: I don't think Apple supports this. They are very much 743 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 8: a for lack of a better way to say the 744 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 8: Dei company, they support the LGBTQ plus community, they support 745 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 8: all walks of life, and those are the people that 746 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 8: we want to align ourselves with. And to the people 747 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 8: like Elon Musk, really, dude, that's all I'm gonna say. 748 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 2: Well, and I would also say to the Apple point like, 749 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 2: I don't know what's in Tim Cook's heart, but you 750 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 2: sort of have to exist in the world as it exists. 751 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 2: And so if you were going to not put the 752 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 2: SAP on the Apple platform, I'm not sure how people 753 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 2: would be able to find it and utilize it. 754 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 7: Joshua, thank you so much for joining us. 755 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 2: Anything in particular you want to you know, a place 756 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 2: where people could find you or more information about the 757 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 2: app you want to put out there. 758 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 8: Sure, so, the official website is iceblock dot app and 759 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 8: you can find me on blue Sky. I'm Joshua at 760 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 8: our Joshua dot stealing Heather dot com. 761 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 6: And of course the official. 762 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 8: Ice block account is on blue Sky and it's at 763 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 8: ice block dot app. 764 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,879 Speaker 7: All right, Joshua, thank you so much. Great to me too. 765 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 6: Thanks Gray, We'll bye bye. 766 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 7: All right, guys. 767 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 2: That does it for us here today. I hope you 768 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 2: have a fantastic day, and we will see you back 769 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 2: here tomorrow