WEBVTT - Fighting Back Against the Crazy People: Steve Hilton Talks to A&G 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.440 A guy who we've been wanting to talk to for 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:04.840 a long time. It's Armstrong and Getty extra large, because 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:09.840 four hours simply usn't enough. This is Armstrong and Getty 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:16.120 extra large. You know him, you love him. Steve Hilton 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.720 hosts The Next Revolution with Steve Hilton on Fox News. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:21.480 He has a brand new podcast We're Gonna tell you 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.920 about His shirts have no collars and he joins us, Now, Steve, 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.920 how are you. I'm great. I'm wearing a T shirt 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.760 just for you. That's what I was picturing you. Hey, 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.120 we we had something we wanted to play you from 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.000 another cable news channel and then discuss a little bit. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.199 This was on Morning Joe on MSNBC this morning. The 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:44.440 retail pharmacy Giant Walgreens is set to close the five 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.320 stores in San Francisco due to rampant shoplifting and organized 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.560 retail crime. It also makes me feel bad that things 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.680 are so bad for people that they have, that this 0:00:54.760 --> 0:01:00.480 is happening. It's no, it's not incredibly sad. They're criminals. No, no, no, 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.240 this has been happening for some time. But we also 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.480 want to be alpened and and and and charitable and 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.440 mindful that folks are out here hurting even as ninety 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.520 year old men are flying into space. So Steve Hilton's 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.560 new podcast is California Rebel Base and Steve, when you 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.839 hear that sort of commentary from Mika Bradzynski that people 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.000 are just steving stores to the point that the chains 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.919 are closing because they're in need, do you have any comment. 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.960 It's just insane, isn't it what. It's just so typical 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.360 of the lunacy that seems to have taken over the 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:41.240 way government works or doesn't work in California and all 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.120 the cities, and the lunacy with which people comment on 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.080 it and don't understand what's going on. What you've got 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.640 going on up and down the state is a bunch 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:54.240 of people in charge who are literally pro criminal. The 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:57.200 people running the criminal justice they are on the side 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.360 of the criminals. They are against actually doing what the 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.440 first responsibility of government is if you should basically keep 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:08.480 things safe, protect law and order, make it possible for 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.960 people to do business. But now it's so oh, we 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.359 have to understand that the criminals need to loot wal 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.040 greens otherwise how they can eat by the way in 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.840 a state where they spend so much on welfare, and 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.560 they said, spend sake so much money in tax and 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.080 waste it on all these services. And another part of 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.880 their plan, they they keep going on about the billions 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.359 that they're spending on homelessness. Obviously that isn't enough because 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.320 you've got the owners people robbing the sort. I mean, 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.440 it's just lunacy, all of it. And basically, this is 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.280 what you get when you have a one party rule, 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:43.600 when you have a bunch of people in charge with 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:49.000 no political challenge, there's no accountability, no one standing up 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.160 to them. They think they can get away with anything 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.560 to get then they can because that's what's been happening, 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.680 and then they let the criminals get away with anything. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.840 I mean, this is why people are so angry. This 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.680 is actually why I started the podcast us which is 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.200 called California Rebel Base, and the reason for their name 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.000 is that, actually, I think up and down the state 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.920 there are millions and millions of people fed up with this, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.000 rebels against this one party rule. But I don't know 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.880 what to do about it, because wherever you turn, the 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.359 crazy people are in charge. We've got to fight back 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:19.680 against it, and we've got to have a kind of 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.560 really concerted effort. We've got to get together, and we've 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.360 got to stick with it for the long term, not 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.320 just a quick thing with a recall or whatever. We've 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.120 got to really go for it, because you can't go 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.440 on like this in such a state that there is 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.920 one thing we love California. I love California. I live here, 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:36.600 I live in the Bay Area. I'm in the middle 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.440 of all this madness. But you know, we've got to 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.560 fight back. I can tell by your Valley girl accent um. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.720 So what I've been trying to figure out though, is like, 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.600 does the president or the California legislature do they actually 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:55.080 believe this nonsense or are they just play into the 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.680 Twitter crowd thinking that the Twitter crowd is much bigger 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.120 than it actually is. Because I just I find it 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.600 so hard to believe that there are grown ups that think, yeah, 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.440 the people robbing the Walgreens are just you know, they're 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.880 just they're struggling because of the COVID and because of 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:14.440 systemic racism in the the patriarchy and all the homeless people. 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.400 It's just because of the bad economy. So let's let's 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.000 try and be charitable, okay, And let's try and assume 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.799 good intent on their partner and trying to understand what's 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.080 really going on. That's underlying your question, which is they 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.400 can't just be crazy. Obviously the policies are crazy and 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.920 the outcomes are crazy, but these people are not literally lunatic. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.080 What is going on? What are they trying to do? 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.040 I think the heart of it is that they've been 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:43.880 completely kind of There's two things. Actually, there's the woke ideology, 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.279 and that is absolutely infecting what you see happening in 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.880 the schools with the curriculum and a bunch of other 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.359 stuff where we see that woke ideology. I've traced the 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.599 origins of it back on my show on Fox News 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:56.880 that it goes back a hundred years. This didn't just 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.920 show up with AOC and her Twitter account. That kind 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.039 a way of thinking about the world that is all about, um, 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:08.320 these kind of categories of identity that's been going on 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.279 for a long time, and it originated back in the 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.960 day in Europe with this Marxist school of philosophers, the 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:19.159 Frankfurt School, who were asking themselves the question, why did 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:23.160 the communist revolution that Marks and Angles predicted would take 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.720 over the world and the workers would rise up and 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:29.400 capitalism would be abolished. It didn't really happen, and in 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.640 Russia they did it with force, but it didn't really 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.720 take off anywhere else. Why was that? And their answer was, actually, 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.240 it's not just about economics, as Marks argued, there are 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.960 other things that keep the working class oppressed. And the 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:46.800 three that they focused on with faith, family, and culture, 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.880 and they said, those are the things that give the 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.560 working people this kind of false consciousness that they could 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.880 should carry on with capitalism. So we have to undermine 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.120 those things. We have to attack faith and religion and 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:03.000 organized religion. We have to undermine family because the family 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:07.039 unit is what keeps people attached to this oppressive, working, 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.240 oppressive capitalist system. And we have to seize the leavers 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.320 of power in culture and make sure that that's under 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.400 the control of our ideology as well. That's what they 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:20.479 all formulated back in the nineteen twenties in Frankfurt, and 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.120 over the last century that's been pushed forward and you 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.920 can see the fruits of that absolutely applied today. So 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.839 there's an ideology of work that says, actually, we do 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.359 want to undermine family and religion and so on, and 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.600 you can see that being played out there's another part 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.839 of it, though. The second part of it, I would say, 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.279 again trying to be fair to these democrats, is that 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:45.679 they are so consumed by the desire to appear compassionate 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.760 and be kind to people and have compassion for people 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.320 who are suffering, that they totally forget that real compassion 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.400 also includes an element of discipline. And you can't just 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.200 give people things and not expect anything in turn, um 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:05.279 and and not demand anything returned and expect a decent outcome. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.000 And so they just think it's all about being compassionate 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.560 and kind and virtue things. We love, you know, we 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.320 don't want to offend anyone. And as those two things 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.880 going together to produce these insane policies, right well, as 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.320 I've said many times, order without compassion is fascism. But 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.000 compassion without order is chaos and the dissolution of society. 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.040 And and that's what we're seeing, you know, just a 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.800 dovetail to that thought. We at the Arms Starring Getty Show, 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:32.840 we have never spent a lot of time talking about 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.760 the Koch brothers Boogatie Bogaty and George Soros Boogatie Bogaty, 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:40.000 because those aren't arguments. That's not a policy argument, it's 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.440 just citing a boogeyman. But it is worth observing that 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.440 George Soros and types like him, who are very smart, 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:54.160 hardcore far left idealogues, are very very good at manipulating 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:59.240 well meaning left leaning voters and people to the extent 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.280 that they get as Boordine elected as the d A 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.040 in the San Francisco area or what's his face in 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.880 l A, George Gascon exactly, thank you. Yeah. Um. These 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:13.040 people are hardcore Marxists. But there's nothing in the Carl 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.840 Marks or the modified Marks point of view that you 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.360 were describing that says we must at all times be 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.120 perfectly honest about what we're trying to accomplish. No, quite 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.680 the contrary. They're open with each other about we have 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.080 got to dupe the well meaning suburban bourgeoisie and to 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.480 going along with our plans. That's exactly right. And they 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.480 know that they can do that because that that's not 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.800 who they're going to for their votes. And as you say, 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:42.080 they're funded by people with unlimited amounts of money who 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.000 don't live in those places. They don't have to experience 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.840 any of this. This is what its enraging about all 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.480 of this. If you look at someone like George Soros, 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.560 for example, you know, we we talked about it on 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.360 my podcast, you know, the other the other week. He 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.240 lives in probably some mansion somewhere. He doesn't actually encounter 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:02.440 the consequences of this UM, this pro criminal ideology that 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:06.400 he is funding UM. And that's what's so offensive about it. Actually, 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.320 the people who suffer most, and this is true most 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.600 of this lunacy you see being pushed by the by 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:15.400 the Democrats in California, UM, the people who suffer the most, 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.400 the exact same people that they say they are standing 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:22.200 up for the poorest, the most vulnerable people who are 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:27.200 recent immigrants, black people and Latinos and Asian America. These 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:31.000 are the people who actually end up having to suffer that, 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.920 you know, the worst public schools, the worst impact from crime. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.480 And that's what I find so offensive about it. And 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.160 that's why, you know, it's time we said that clearly, 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:44.199 and don't let them paint people who reject these policies 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.240 as people who some are uncaring or cruel or not 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.160 interested in social justice. It's the exact opposite. They're the 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.320 ones who are cruel because it's their policies who hurt 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.880 with that hurt the most vulnerable. But enjoying your commentary 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:59.960 for a while, I think first became aware of you 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.120 whenever you'd be a guest on like the panel on 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.199 Brett Bear Show. But how did you come to your 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.400 political beliefs? Do you do you have any sense of 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:12.160 why you're this direction as opposed to the other direction? Yeah, 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:13.800 it's interesting. I mean, you know, I grew up in 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:18.239 the UK. My parents are both Hungarian. Um, my stepfathers 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:23.600 also Hungarian, So that's my family background. And obviously, you know, 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.200 and most of my family still is back in Hungary, 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.319 which obviously no longer has to suffer the oppression of 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.240 the communist regime. But I certainly grew up aware of 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.800 that and traveling to Hungary and seeing my family and 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.880 just being told that. I remember as a kid, it's 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.559 the weird memory that sticks in your mind. I'm running 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.520 around on the street. I didn't really know what I 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.959 was doing with my two cousins, And as a kind 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.360 of joke as a young kid, I remember um yelling 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.560 on the street the name of the lead yo car. 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.520 Dad was the was the Communist leader of Hunger at 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.360 that point. It wasn't, but it was. It was the 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.520 sort of softer end of the communist spectrum. It wasn't. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.320 It wasn't as bad as you got in some other countries, 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:03.680 but you know, it's still pretty bad. And and the 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:05.280 name of this lead. I yelled it out and said, oh, 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.319 he's an idiot. He's an idiot, and my most totally 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.600 to my cousins day, I don't say that. And then 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.760 I got back home and my aunt gave me this 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.480 stern lecture about how you can't say things like that, Um, 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.679 your cousins will get in trouble, will be punished as 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.080 a family. It was really interesting. I didn't know anything 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.240 back in those days about obviously these these concepts we 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.920 talk about now, like councel culture or whatever, but it's 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.920 stuck in my mind. There's this kind of absence of freedom. 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.000 You couldn't just say what you wanted. I think they are. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:35.959 The really formative thing in my life was the fact 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.920 that my my stepfather was was you know, he run 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.720 a small business. He was in construction. He did house 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:44.720 repairs and built small house and so and I spent 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.559 a lot of time with him on construction sites. Um, 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.120 you know, we grew up in a kind of you know, 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:51.680 we weren't poor, but it's kind of a sort of 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.840 classic kind of middle class family. And that that idea 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:59.240 of working hard and doing an honest day's work and literally, 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.360 you know, working that kind of blue college job that 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.760 so many people depend on. I think that really stuck 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.080 with me. Um And for example, when I you know, 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.640 I was lucky enough to get to Oxford University, but 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.559 before I went there, I took a year out and 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.480 I actually worked for a construction company in London and 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.719 learned skills as a project manage and so on. But 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.520 I think that whole notion of really understanding that kind 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.920 of basic hard work mindset. I think those two things, 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.320 the Hungarian background and then that culture of you know, 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.320 like working hard and climbing the ladder of opportunity that 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.120 in which I've been able to do. I feel so 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.160 lucky and privileged to be able to have done that myself, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.240 and now you just see it being taken away for 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.960 so many other people by these terrible policies. I think 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.480 that's where it comes from. We talk a fair amount 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.240 about whether it's possible to roll back some of the 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.160 policies and entitlements that are growing. You were director of 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.240 strategy for British Prime Minister David Cameron for a handful 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:54.440 of years, and it's so difficult to get an honest, 0:12:54.559 --> 0:13:01.200 even handed account of Britain's journey through postwar socialist uh. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:06.079 Growth of those programs and then the Margaret Thatcher era. Um, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:07.880 of course, you know, all of the media and the 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.880 pop stars and all portray hers far worse than the 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.559 wicked Witch of the West, just an oppressive, evil person 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.880 who was, to my mind, just trying to recapture great 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:22.320 Britain's greatness and agility as opposed to a giant, bloated 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:26.480 welfare state. Growing up, how did you see that that 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.880 rise and fall? Uh? What's your honest assessment of the 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.960 Thatcher years? Oh, I mean, I I couldn't be more 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.319 of I mean, I was so proud that I actually 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:39.120 got to meet her and and and and work work 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.800 in the for for while I was had a junior 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.840 researcher job in the Conservative Party when she was Prime Minister. No, 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.600 I I mean, and I actually growing up that was 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.520 part of that whole story for me because I remember, 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.400 you know, and I guess I absorbed this at the 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:56.880 kind of kitchen table or whatever. You know, my stepfather 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.640 and my family know, we it was very interesting. Again, 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.440 it's these things you remember, like Thatcher was on our 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:06.480 side because she was for working people and the Labor Party, 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.240 the socially equivalent Democrats. I remember this phrase that was 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:13.439 used all the time in our household there for the layabouts, 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.160 you know, which is a pretty kind of aggressive word 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.160 and whatever. I probably wouldn't use it now, you know, 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.200 But that's that's people are going to call layabouts for 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.440 the rest of my life. Now, the lay abouts maybe 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.520 that's the you know, the lay about. So look, she 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.480 did she I mean, she saved the country, there's no 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:32.480 question about that. And stop what was looking like a 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:37.040 really terminal decline for for Britain. And it was and 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.360 it was and it was focused on two things, which 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.120 is getting the government the government. I mean, it's an 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:45.000 insane level of central centralization of government power where the 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:49.280 government owned and ran pretty much everything in the country. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:53.200 I mean, you know, the airline, the railways, the phone company, 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:57.240 either all the utilities, energy, everything It was owned by 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.600 the government and run by the government and delivered with 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.520 no petition, no private sector investment. And everything was falling apart. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.160 And so the great innovation was the privatization program to 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:10.120 take those assets, put them back in the public sector, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.000 sell them to the people so people could be become 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.320 shareholders and get invested in the success of the economy. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:20.120 Is an incredible transformation. The second part was the union reform, 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.720 the trade union reform, and you basically you couldn't do 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.760 anything in the UK without the permission of the unions, 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.160 not just the government unions, but unions in the private 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.480 sector as well. So she enabled people who started and 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.520 run businesses as I have. You know, I've been an 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.840 entrepreneur in the UK and here in California, and you know, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.400 like that just that freedom to start your business and 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.840 and employ people, and and find a customer and find 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.120 customers for your your product or service, and that that 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.800 that whole enterprise culture is what she created and revived 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.160 the the economy and society in this in the process. 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.600 So she was a complete savior for the country as 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.320 far as I'm concerned. That's not to say we think 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.560 she said or did was perfect, but overwhelmingly, shoot, I mean, 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.480 she saved the country. I think that's the simplest way 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:09.000 of putting it. Enterprise culture. That's interesting case again back 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:10.760 to where do we get our world views? And I 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.480 don't even know where I got mine, really, But the 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.280 back when I was starting out in you know, after 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.840 college or whatever, and struggling like so many people doing. 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:20.880 I had three jobs and I was broken. I was 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.560 sleeping on the floor in this sublet apartment because I 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.960 didn't have a bed. I mean I didn't, But it never, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.640 it never crossed my mind that there should be some 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.640 government program or something, and just it never occurred to me. 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.160 And so we got you were somehow being cheated. Yeah, 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.040 I just thought I've made some bad decisions, which I had, 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.120 and uh, and I needed to make some better ones 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:40.760 or get a better job. And so we got this 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:45.480 five trillion, another five trillion dollars worth of programs staring 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.200 us in the face here in a couple of weeks. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.800 And how do you get people out of the mindset 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.080 that it's the government's got to fix my current woes 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:54.720 as opposed to me. I just I don't even know 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.440 how you do it. Well, there's a couple of answers 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.560 to that. I mean, first of all, and this this 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:04.199 is something that maybe isn't such a comfortable conversation for 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.040 conservatives or people on the right to have, but it's 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.080 important we have it. Why is there such an appetite 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.800 for this far left lunacy, as as we could characterize it. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.280 Why is it even being discussed? Why is it so 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.960 the norm actually for a lot of younger people to say, yeah, 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:21.280 of course we need this. Of course we need the 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.280 government to to help me with, you know, buying a 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.200 house or rent or whatever it may be, and and 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.320 and every aspect of my life to be subsidized and 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.840 supported by the government. One of the reasons for that 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.439 is that they look around and their experience of the 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:38.679 free market, free enterprise capitalist system over the last couple 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.880 of the last decade or so it has not been 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:42.800 very positive. And they said, well, hang on a second, 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.040 why should I buy into the market approach? Because the 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.960 market approach means that there's absolutely no chance are ever 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.840 earn enough, will be able to save enough to own 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.800 my own home. That's completely out of reach. Most of 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.120 these jobs that you look at, you know, they don't 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.400 pay enough to live on with all the taxes, and 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.760 and so they what's been going on, and they say, actually, 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.119 there's no opportunity, that's all just bs this idea that 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.359 if you work hard, you get on and so on, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.480 and that also feeds into these terrible social trends, like 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.280 people thinking, I can't afford to have kids, So what's 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.200 the point of actually thinking about starting a family because 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.520 it's never going to be possible. So we've got to 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.920 acknowledge that actually there are things that have gone wrong 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.600 with the way capitalism has worked. And this is actually 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.919 one of the things I argue in my in my 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.240 book Positive Populism was actually there is there is something 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.240 to that populous critique, um. And we've got to do 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.280 something about the fact that a lot of the rewards 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.679 in the pre enterprise system have gone to people at 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.960 the top, which I don't begrudge for a second. As 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.440 you know, if you start a business and you you 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.639 people love it and want to buy your stuff, then great, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.639 you know you're meeting a need. That's fantastic, and you 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.840 should get rich in the process as an incentive. No 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.719 problem with that. But we need to actually look at 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.560 the policies that, for example, have made housing so unaffordable, 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:00.679 um that people look at that and thing, I'll never 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.119 be able to afford a house. You've got to do 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.000 something about that. However, the answer to a lot of 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.439 these points is not to go in the kind of 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.520 government control left wing direction, but actually more in the 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.439 in the opening things up direction. And then the kind 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.200 of phrase that comes to my mind because I talked 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.040 about it all the time, is what to me, the 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.000 populist thing is all about is putting power in people's hands, 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.600 and that means taking it away from the government to 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.280 centralize and control and regulate everything. And a good example 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.720 in relation to housing is actually, the way you deal 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.720 with the problem of affordable housing is not to give 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.240 people more money so that you're subsidizing it, but actually 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.520 to to reduce the amount of regulation that makes it 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.879 so expensive to build a house in the first place, 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.119 and to get rid of some of these zoning regulations 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.160 that mean that it's impossible to to to create enough 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.320 housing to meet the demand. So the answers will often 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:52.560 be more conservative and libertarian, but we've got to at 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:56.199 least acknowledge that you know why there's this appetite for 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.000 this incredible march to the left, and give positive solution 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.760 and not just I mean I always condemn it as 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.960 craziness because it is, but you've also got offer something 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:08.560 positive this says, here's our plan to help you earn 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.320 a decent living and afford a home and so on, 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.960 not not massive compulsory government centralization and regulation. There's a 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:17.560 better way of doing I don't think the right has 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:19.280 been very good at that. I don't think Republicans have 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.000 been very good at that. They haven't been offering offering solutions. 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:23.720 And we need to get into that business as well. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.080 Oh absolutely, I think the right has been very lazy 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:31.119 about advocating for liberty. We've just assumed for many generations 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:34.760 that people understand it and value it about Yeah, that's 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:36.520