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Speaker 1: hosts The Next Revolution with Steve Hilton on Fox News.

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Speaker 1: He has a brand new podcast We're Gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: This was on Morning Joe on MSNBC this morning. The

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Speaker 1: this has been happening for some time. But we also

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Speaker 1: new podcast is California Rebel Base and Steve, when you

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Speaker 1: All of it is corrupt. That's why coming back to

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Speaker 1: there's the argument I'm made in more human and positive populism.

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Speaker 1: And actually the most incoherent on this is Elizabeth Warren,

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Speaker 1: who actually I think makes a pretty good case about

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Speaker 1: I agree with her about that, but in the same

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Speaker 1: So she's all for breaking up power in the private sector,

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Speaker 1: and I'm with her on that, but in the public sector,

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Speaker 1: be consistent and say we want to put power in

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Speaker 1: people's hands right across the board. Steve Hilton's podcast is

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Speaker 1: California Rebel based. Steve, you've been generous with your time,

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Speaker 1: Talget or a couple of guys. We couldn't get into

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Speaker 1: but really enjoy the conversation. I hope we can do

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Speaker 1: it again. Fantastic was a great pleasure season. It is

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Speaker 1: remarkable the extent to which people who grew up under communism,

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Speaker 1: Are there practically a hundred percent conservatives. I think that

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Speaker 1: speaks volume. Is there a name for that accent? I

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Speaker 1: mean we all just called an English accent, but in America,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've got all kinds of different accents, Northeastern, southern, Midwest.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a name for it, but

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Speaker 1: Fisher anything like that. Right now? No, not, what are

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