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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love twenty four year

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Speaker 1: old rookie quarterbacks. I'm Greg Rosenthal and beyond excited today

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Speaker 1: to be joined by my two friends, Mina Chimes and

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Speaker 1: for the first time on NFL Daily, Kevin Clark. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show. Guys.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Why are you laughing right off the bat? I think

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Speaker 1: I might need to change the intro music. If both

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Speaker 1: you and Colleen are just like laughing that, it sounds

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Speaker 1: like a war march. I thought I.

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Speaker 3: Heard like another song. That's why I'm me too, Me too.

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Speaker 2: I thought somebody was playing weird music, like from an

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Speaker 2: unspecified you felt like oldies, but it didn't feel like

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Speaker 2: it was a specific decade.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're off to read line and start here. Thank

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Speaker 1: you Kevin for joining us from your mother in law's house,

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Speaker 1: and thank you Mina. I've been excited about this show

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Speaker 1: for weeks. Here, we've done this exercise over unders for

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Speaker 1: a couple of years. I'll get into it more in

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Speaker 1: a minute, but I you know, I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: have you, two of the brightest minds over at ESPN,

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Speaker 1: to to bounce off ideas from.

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Speaker 3: I want to be clear, I was also smiling because

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Speaker 3: of the visual of Kevin Clark, who has a new haircut,

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Speaker 3: is wearing what appears to be a blazer in his

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Speaker 3: mother in law's house, looking a lot like you know

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Speaker 3: during COVID, when like public science professors would go on

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Speaker 3: CNN for the first time ever.

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Speaker 2: I do, I do, I do know what that looks.

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Speaker 3: Like, pologist. I think I said that wrong.

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Speaker 2: Okay, A couple things about it. Number one is I'm

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Speaker 2: here because we're doing construction to our house and it's

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Speaker 2: had to evacuate kind of quickly. But the most important

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Speaker 2: like the most mother in law thing that could be

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Speaker 2: within reach per a desk. It's a print out, of course,

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Speaker 2: of the electoral college. I don't know why that's here,

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Speaker 2: but they're not like super politically involved by any means.

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Speaker 2: It's just a map of electoral college. You just got

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Speaker 2: to know what the path is.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's time. It's time to start studying those

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Speaker 1: numbers and figuring out it's that week. And yes, I

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Speaker 1: do appreciate the blazer. You classing this up and the

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Speaker 1: new haircut I'm excited to get to the overrunners. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to that in a second. I did want to

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Speaker 1: just hit off the top. We had some news pop

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Speaker 1: out on Wednesday afternoon that Bo Nix is the official

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback of the Broncos. We don't need to go

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Speaker 1: too crazy because we've been assuming this year on NFL

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Speaker 1: Daily Mina on a scale let's say, of preseason performances

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Speaker 1: that are either misleading or not starting with let's say

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett's twenty twenty three is on one end of

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Speaker 1: the continuum, and Russell Wilson's rookie preseason kind of auguring

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Speaker 1: like what was a great, great career? Where do you

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Speaker 1: see bow Knicks's preseason?

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say somewhere in the middle. We talked

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Speaker 3: about this on my show a little bit, The Meantime

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Speaker 3: Show featuring Letty, and I was more optimistic than Ben Solek,

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Speaker 3: who was my guest, who, by the way, called Bo

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Speaker 3: Nix a young man. They're like the same age. When

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Speaker 3: you said he was twenty four, that really hitvy. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: the reason I'm more optimistic about it is because I

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Speaker 3: think bo Nicks in Sean Payton's offense, and I know

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Speaker 3: that sounds like a big nuss, you know, like I'm

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Speaker 3: hedging here, But I don't think it's hedging because we

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Speaker 3: are going to see him in Sean Payton's offense. And

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Speaker 3: I think what's been become very clear from the preseason.

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Speaker 3: regular season for a litany of reasons in ways that

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Speaker 3: tend to favor efficient quarterbacks who can get the ball quickly.

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Speaker 3: I think Peyton's going to get the most out of him,

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Speaker 3: and so I think it. I don't think like the

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Speaker 3: ceiling is incredibly high with offense Kevin, but I actually

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Speaker 3: think the floor has been is maybe higher than I

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Speaker 2: He's the most accurate passer in history of college football,

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Speaker 2: and that means something, and that means them to Sean Payton,

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Speaker 2: and Sean Payton loves him. Jeff Schortz is on my

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Speaker 2: when you mentioned twenty four year olds is one of

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Speaker 2: of football. Bow Knicks threw like twelve hundred more passes

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Speaker 2: and he was saying, like, we know, we can see

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Speaker 2: And you don't see that necessarily with Drake Man because

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Speaker 2: and so the fact that the floor is this high

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Speaker 1: I know they're they're over under five and a half

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Speaker 1: excited about that Week one Seahawks Broncos game. We talked about,

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Speaker 1: Mina Chimes from NFL Live, the Mina Chimes Show featuring

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Speaker 1: Lenny one of the best out there, and Kevin Clark

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Speaker 1: from This is Football and all the ESPN programs lately

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Speaker 1: around the Horn and they're sneaking you on NFL Live.

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Speaker 1: It's great. I wanted to have you guys on. This

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Speaker 1: I've done really well at it the last two years

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm seven to zero through the two years we did,

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Speaker 1: I know that's what I mean. I was surprised and

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Speaker 1: went back and checked Mina. You went two and one

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Speaker 1: Because I like it so much, so why don't we

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Speaker 2: Sort and a and a map electoral college.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Kevin. Then we'll go to Mina.

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Speaker 2: I have a question, can we conceive the way if

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Speaker 2: someone picks X team over, can we draft X team under?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I'm probably not gonna do that. I don't think that's

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Speaker 2: my big board here. It's deep, it's a deep board.

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Speaker 2: What what's funny is like this is why Vegas makes

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Speaker 2: So there's one team I'm real high on on that

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Speaker 2: I've gone over like Stephen Ruiz, like the Aaron Donald

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Speaker 2: and the offense is developing into a juggernaut. I really

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Speaker 2: NFL has a new product, NFL Plus providing it's called

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Speaker 2: and I was going through it this morning. I got

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Speaker 2: under play action, Well, it's Cooper Cup Like Sean McVeigh

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Speaker 1: I just don't see it and get it. Like our

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Speaker 1: Eric put up my picks from a year ago to me,

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Speaker 3: I'm very high on the bills. I had them in

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Speaker 2: I swear to god, a fax machine just went off

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Speaker 1: That's exciting. You've traveled back in time.

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Speaker 3: that fact because it might be from an old NFL

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Speaker 3: fan telling you Minshew as the it factor, which is

434
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Speaker 3: something I've been there in recent days. I stayed away

435
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Speaker 3: from this one because I'm scared of the defense, but

436
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Speaker 3: I agree with everything you said. I'm like this. You

437
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Speaker 3: called it a hostile quarterback couetition. It is hostile to

438
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Speaker 3: my eyes. I would describe it as depressing. And it's

439
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Speaker 3: depressing because I actually really like, I like kind of

440
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Speaker 3: everything else going on with this team, Greg, and that's

441
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Speaker 3: what bumps me out.

442
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Speaker 1: I did the thing where I did your af West

443
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Speaker 1: preview and I finished it and I was like, oh,

444
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Speaker 1: I was that guy that just was way too optimistic

445
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: about everyone just because it was fun to be. It

446
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 1: was August. I went to Raiders camp and I like

447
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: got convinced that their defense is going to be truly special.

448
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: Then again, they were you know, going against Adan O'Connell

449
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: and Gardner Minshew in practice. And you're right, Antonio Pierce

450
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Speaker 1: said after the game, like it would have been nice

451
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Speaker 1: if someone played well in this game and then the

452
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Speaker 1: next day he names.

453
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Speaker 3: He didn't win because of last night, is how we put.

454
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Speaker 1: It, right. But they do have potentially, they have continuity

455
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Speaker 1: on the offensive line. They have potentially an average maybe

456
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Speaker 1: even above average depending on how you squint at it,

457
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Speaker 1: offensive line, and pretty decent skill players so and a

458
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Speaker 1: good defense. So that maybe six and a half. That's

459
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Speaker 1: that feels about right in the AFC West to be there, right,

460
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Speaker 1: That could be things could go off the tracks and

461
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Speaker 1: they could trade you know him at some point, but

462
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Speaker 1: it would be surprising. Doesn't feel like he really wants

463
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Speaker 1: to be there.

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Speaker 3: All right, you go your second, Okay, I'm staying in

465
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Speaker 3: the division. Similar lines, Greg, you will not be surprised

466
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Speaker 3: by this one. Chargers are not winning more than eight

467
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Speaker 3: and a half games.

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Speaker 1: I knew you were taking Chargers under it.

469
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Speaker 3: Sorry, that is not a good football team. It is

470
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Speaker 3: a great quarterback, obviously. Jim Harbla is a good coach.

471
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Speaker 3: I'm excited about the jesse Menter high. I don't care.

472
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Speaker 3: I have looked at that depth chart, stared at it,

473
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Speaker 3: tried to figure out how you get to nine wins.

474
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Speaker 3: I don't see it. The skill player group is a

475
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Speaker 3: real problem. And you know I do the preseason, they

476
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Speaker 3: just play the Chargers, so you know, usually it's backups.

477
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Speaker 3: You got to like hedge their starters were on there, guys,

478
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Speaker 3: And I'm telling you, outside of Herbert, obviously it's not

479
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Speaker 3: It's not a good situation.

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Speaker 1: They need the defense to be good to have a

481
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Speaker 1: chance to be excellent. Mean and I have a friendly disagreement.

482
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Speaker 1: If the charge is finished in the top twenty in DVOA,

483
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Speaker 1: I win that on defense. I am a little worried

484
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Speaker 1: that Joey Bosa's missing all of training camp and he

485
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Speaker 1: might play Week one, and absolutely no one has talked

486
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Speaker 1: about that he's got a risk injury. Derwin James has

487
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Speaker 1: been out out lately. There's a lot of projection. I

488
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: usually overrate the Chargers that this is one of those

489
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: where the off season so long that now when I

490
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: looked at it was very hard when I'm making this long.

491
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Speaker 3: List, because oh my god, you're already backing off of it.

492
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Speaker 1: I feel it, I know, like so long but like

493
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Speaker 1: you make the case and then you make the case again.

494
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Speaker 1: By this point of the thing, I can see both

495
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Speaker 1: sid I'm not backing off the defense. I feel good

496
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Speaker 1: about that. They could be a top twenty DVO defense.

497
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Speaker 1: But I am with you. Under eight and a half

498
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: feels pretty good. The only thing that makes me feel

499
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Speaker 1: a little better other than it's just Jim Harbaugh and

500
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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, and Justin Herbert is back on the field.

501
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Is uh.

502
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Speaker 1: Everyone suddenly thinks it feels like the Chargers are one

503
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Speaker 1: of the worst teams in the NFL. But that number

504
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: is crazy high. I mean, it's a little weird that

505
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: everyone that it's eight and a.

506
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Speaker 3: Half like it's nine wins.

507
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Speaker 2: The one thing I have two things on that number. One,

508
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Speaker 2: I think the Chargers are gonna better than you think.

509
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: They have the second easiest schedule in the NFL according

510
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Speaker 2: to the debate.

511
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Speaker 1: That must be part of it.

512
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Speaker 2: That's part expectation things. That's that's part of it. The

513
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: second part is that Jim Harbaugh took a really mediocre

514
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: roster to the NFC title game the last time we

515
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: took over the NFL team, And we look back now

516
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: and we go, oh, those guys are studs if you

517
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: look at the roster now, he made them studs. Nobody

518
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: was saying that he was a sleeping giant at all.

519
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: In San Francisco. I know I was there. I watched

520
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 2: that team, and they got a lot better year over year.

521
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a credibility there. Normally that's fake, but

522
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: like a lot of times, like coaches don't even know

523
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 2: how to practice, like Jim Harbaugh knows how to hit

524
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: and toughness and then like evaluate, like there's just gonna

525
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: be a lot there. You mentioned the Joy Bosa thing,

526
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: how nobody talks about it. I've been thinking about this recently.

527
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 2: There's so many situations that are just hidden in plain sight,

528
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Speaker 2: and I don't know what the difference is between like

529
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Speaker 2: Brent Williams holdout, which no one is talking about, and

530
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Speaker 2: the Brandon Nyuk thing where we're just getting like every

531
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Speaker 2: thirty seconds there's a different meeting that we're hearing about,

532
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Speaker 2: and it's like, I just don't know how it got

533
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: so lopsided that there's just some situations we cannot shut

534
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: the hell up about. Another situations like Joey Bosa, nobody

535
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: talks about fantasy.

536
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Speaker 3: I don't know that, that's my guess.

537
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Speaker 1: And there's one where the principals, being the front office

538
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: of the San Francisco forty nine ers, think they can

539
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: ye skew the situation by talking to the media, and

540
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: the other one they're like, oh, yeah, we know Trent

541
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Speaker 1: Williams just wants to skip all of training camp, and

542
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: we're going to give him a raise and he'll be

543
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Speaker 1: there next week. I'm putting the over under on Trent Williams.

544
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Speaker 1: I don't know when their preseason game is, but thirty

545
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Speaker 1: six hours after their last preseason.

546
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: Game is when I that was the old Walter Jones move.

547
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Speaker 2: Walter Jones show up on September one and be like

548
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: time to make the All proteins.

549
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Speaker 1: He's thirty six years old. They don't need to see

550
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: more out of Trent Williams. It's doing what what am

551
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Speaker 1: I doing?

552
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Speaker 3: No, what's Trent Williams doing? How's he spending his time?

553
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: He would help you would staying in shape. I mean,

554
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: he is like the most fearsome athlete maybe in the

555
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: entire NFL. But yeah, it's a good question. All right,

556
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go.

557
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 2: I'm looking up to see if he has an Instagram.

558
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: I'll report back, all right, I'm gonna go with my

559
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: second pick, and then we'll take a little bit of

560
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: a break. This is where I'm already starting to wonder

561
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: what do I want to do? I want too many things.

562
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: I'm going back to the well again. I didn't realize

563
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 1: I was doing this. I've actually gone under on Bears

564
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: two straight years. I think it was six and a

565
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: half two years ago, it was seven and a half

566
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: last year, and when I saw nine and a half,

567
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: if it was, they're nine and a half at DraftKings.

568
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: That's the link I sent you, so just so that

569
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: we were going off the same one. I do think

570
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: you get a little like extra odds or whatever. I

571
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: work for the NFL and none of these are real things,

572
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: but it is the team. I think I'm furthest from consensus,

573
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: one of them under nine and a half. I feel

574
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: great about. There's a lot of reasons. Number one, the

575
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: second half defensive improvement last year, how reliant it was

576
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: on turnovers. Yes, like on paper, it's a great back seven,

577
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: but I still count the year and half that Matt

578
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: Eberflus coached before that as something that matters. So I

579
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: think they need to have a great defense, and I'm

580
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: just not sure they were average last year overall. If

581
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm looking for teams that are gonna underachieve, I want

582
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: to see, like who has a bad combined line play,

583
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive line. Like to me, they're below average

584
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: on balance offensive line and defensive line. Our guy Aaron

585
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: shats over at FDN, I always feel a little better

586
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: if he's on the same page. He protects him for

587
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: six and a half wins. And then I think that's

588
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: partly because of the schedule so improved. AFC South out

589
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: of division, NFC West out of division. They do get soft,

590
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, teams with the last play schedule they get Carolina, Washington,

591
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: New England, so that's big. And then the last thing,

592
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: and this is just an intangible what have you guys

593
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: thought about Matt Eberflus on Hard Knocks, like in his

594
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: one on one meetings with Caleb Williams. We'll start with

595
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: Kevin on this one. But that is contributing to my decision.

596
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: I said a clip to Mina, and I don't want

597
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: to I'm not going to put words in her mouth.

598
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: You can quote it.

599
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: So there was a clip earlier today. I'll just read

600
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: the text. There's a quickly one on another today of

601
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: Caleb arms folded, not taking notes in the one on

602
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: one head coach meeting. Now, these head coach meetings, especially

603
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: with defensive head coaches, are sort of embedded in football lore,

604
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: Like Belichick and Brady famously had them every Monday, and

605
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: I don't think like Charlie Weiss and then joshuf Daniel

606
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: and then Bill O'Brian were even invited. It was just

607
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: those two guys. And that's part of why Brady was

608
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: able to understand coverages so well, that he had the

609
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: best defensive mind of history, being like, here's what you

610
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: need to look for. So these are valuable. There's a

611
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: clip where Caleb Williams is in this meeting and I

612
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing, but he's got his arms crossed,

613
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: he's not taking notes. A couple of people made reference

614
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: to this. I, as a body language doctor, kind of

615
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: agreed with some of the folks who pointed that out.

616
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: But send this to Mina and her response is, god,

617
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: Ibraflus looks incredible.

618
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: Though it's true, though she's not wrong, He's looked great.

619
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Speaker 1: That's worth that's worth like half a win. That's worth

620
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: half a win.

621
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Speaker 3: Kevin, did you spot a lie in my response? That's

622
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Speaker 3: all I want to know.

623
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: I didn't spot a lie. You didn't address the arms

624
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: folded allegations. Though.

625
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm just getting like a little bit of a Shane

626
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: Joe Shane vibe where it's like I want more out

627
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: of these meetings and she's just like, hey, what do

628
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: you think and they're just I don't know. There's there's

629
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Speaker 1: something there. And he is in the third year of

630
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Speaker 1: his contract Mina where look, if they go nine and eight,

631
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: I win this one. And so that's the thing, Like

632
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: I think eight and nine with a tougher schedule or

633
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: nine and eight is a totally normal, good outcome for

634
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: this team, and that that's partly why.

635
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: I think that's totally fair. I will say about Ebraflus

636
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: to give some more substantive country. Yeah, something that's kind

637
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: of getting lost We did the NFC North this week

638
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: on my pod and something it comes out tomorrow that

639
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: gets a little bit lost in when we talk about

640
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: him is him taking over the defense in the second

641
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: half of the year after all the weirdness there and

642
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: how amazing they played, and there are numbers that are

643
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: a little. This is probably why there's like there there was.

644
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: There was a lot of turnovers, right, which can tend

645
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: to be a predictor for regression. But I think that

646
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: back seven is really good. I think it's really talented young,

647
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: the secondary, a really great linebacker.

648
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Speaker 2: Due.

649
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: I think pass rush is a question mark, but it's

650
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: an aggressive team. I think they're one They're going to

651
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: trade for a pass rusher at some point, so I'm

652
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: I'm I think the I actually agree with you, Greg,

653
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: I think that's a little bit high of a line.

654
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: But I am optimistic about this team generally, and I

655
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: think they're going to be fighting for a playoff spot.

656
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: I'd like to report I think the Bears are gonna

657
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: be fine. Trent Williams has not posted on Instagram since

658
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, and his last tweeting is a retweet from

659
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: two years ago in which chadou Jasinco ranks him as

660
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: one of the five most fashionable guys, Trent Williams behind

661
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: Steve Harvey.

662
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: How do I get like that?

663
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? I love love of life without any social media.

664
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm jealous. I'm already regretting this Bears pick. It's not fun.

665
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: I totally believe in Caleb, I could have picked more

666
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: fun ones schedule.

667
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: Yes, according to sharp analytics. Wait, they have a quarterback.

668
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't get that though. Yeah, it all depends on

669
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: different systems, different systems. NFC West, NFC North. They do

670
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: have those three games the like kind of the layups

671
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: I mentioned. They had Carolina Washington, New England on their schedule,

672
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: which that'll help. All right, We're gonna take a break

673
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: and then we will uh pick our last two teams

674
00:32:45,720 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: each right after we're back on NFL Daily. I've got

675
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: a big board, like Kevin, with about thirteen more picks,

676
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: and Bill not totally decided which ones I'm gonna take.

677
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: But I don't have to worry about that right now

678
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: because Kevin Clark from This is Football has come up

679
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: with two electric takes so far, and we're gonna hear

680
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: what his next one is.

681
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: I wish I could trade back because I had so

682
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: many teams I want to slander and I can't.

683
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: That's the thing with this staff. Every single pick is

684
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: literally fifty to fifty just about.

685
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, there's there's there's a couple of

686
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: can of worms I don't really want to open right now.

687
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kind of do what you do, which you

688
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: just go back to the well on a really bad team.

689
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: It's the New York Giants under staff. I only saw

690
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: cliffs from hard jocks, was not impressed with their operation there. Okay,

691
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: I do think like Molik.

692
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: Neighbors next past analysis, Yeah, I do.

693
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: Think Malik Neighbors Joe Shange, pretty good looking guy. Molakue

694
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: Neighbors is gonna be really good. But I don't think

695
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones is very good. I still think that they

696
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: have talent holes in a lot of different places, and

697
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: I just don't think. I think that they're a very

698
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: boom and bus team. They have some high level blue

699
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: chip guys, but boy, I just I don't see a

700
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: lot going on here with fallas. I don't see a lot.

701
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: Six and a half feels fair to be mean, not

702
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: Both the Giants and Commanders are six and a half,

703
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: Cowboys are at nine and a half, Eagles at ten

704
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: and a half. U there are cases for the Giants.

705
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: I think the defense could absolutely improve. I think the

706
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: offensive line could be the best offensive line Dania Jones

707
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: has played behind. Not good, but like it's it's always

708
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: been bottom three or four in the NFL. I think

709
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: it actually will be better this year, So I think

710
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: six and a half feel is fair. I feel like

711
00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: they're six.

712
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: To let me counterpoint that I think Daniel Jones very bad.

713
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: I think I've called him the Holy Trinity, which is expensive,

714
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: injury prone, and bad, the Big Three as I called

715
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: him bad. And Chris Canty was on my show yesterday

716
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: Former Giant played with a lot of great quarterbacks and

717
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: I said, we're talking about the like Daniel Jones, like

718
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: getting a check down and recepted, and like, you know

719
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: what's that like? And he was like, he's a well

720
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: he played with Romo and Eli and Flacco and guys

721
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: who won a lot of things. And he was like,

722
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: but there was one year Romo is hurt and we'll

723
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: play with Brad Johnson. I know he played with Brooks

724
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: Ball and jerkcause Brad Johnson was so bad. And he

725
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: was like, you see quarterback play and you just kind

726
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: of check out from it because it's so bad. And

727
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: I think sometimes I'm not saying it's gonna happen week

728
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: one with Daniel Jones. But he was like he was like, literally,

729
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: there becomes a point where the quarterback play gets so

730
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 2: bad it is Chris Canty talking where you just say,

731
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: I'm I'm just gonna get out of here happy and healthy.

732
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm all set, like let's just live to

733
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: fight another day. And I'm a little bit worried that

734
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones things. And I thought there was a really

735
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: great QB School breakdown of of Daniel Jones interceptions the

736
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: other day that I watched, and some of it is

737
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: just the vanilla scheme and he didn't have anywhere to throw.

738
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: Some of it was guys running the wrong route, but

739
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: he just seemed to not control the football. And I

740
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: think that that's just gonna it's not gonna get any better,

741
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: that that particular skill is not going to get any better.

742
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: He's not athletic enough to overcome that in any meaningful way.

743
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: He's able to do it for a game, but not

744
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: for seventeen Brian Dabole seems a little pre fired to me,

745
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: a little pre fired, slightly prefired.

746
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: How long was this QB School breakdown of the Daniel

747
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: Jones It was like forty minutes.

748
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 2: It was like forty minutes. I was locked down.

749
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: I don't know nearly as much as J. T. O'Sullivan does.

750
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: And I can't look at a play and tell you exactly,

751
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: you know, the right reads but in the way that

752
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: he can. But I want watch that first interception and

753
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: I could break it down for you just by going

754
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 3: do do do do do do do? What? Like That's

755
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: what it looked like to me. Yeah, I like, I

756
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 3: don't think Daniel Jones plays all seventeen games for them,

757
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: not because of injuries. I think that at some point

758
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: through luck baby uh which by the way, try to

759
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: drop the love that I wish she has did that more.

760
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: I love it.

761
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: I love it too, I will you know as a

762
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say I'm a Drew Daniel Jones defender,

763
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: but I did watch the entire first half, and he

764
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: threw more high level throws in that game then I've

765
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: seen Daniel Jones throw in any game in a while,

766
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: so I at least was like, Okay, I saw some

767
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: of those.

768
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: Those are broken down. This is what I saw.

769
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: I saw having friends in this industry over the course

770
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: of many years, because you have always been a Daniel

771
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: Jones defender. You're so fullish right now. You have always

772
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: I've always yours.

773
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: I've always said he's about like if he was protected

774
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: he would just be close to league average. That's all

775
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: I've said. So I thought he was vastly overrated after

776
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. But it's always been such a bad situation.

777
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: He was like, he can deliver it if you protected it.

778
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: But that's a lot of crapping on Daniel Jones. That's

779
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: too bad, Mina. What what give me your next one? Mina.

780
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't disagree with what you just

781
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 3: said about him. I just don't think that situation is

782
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: that it's It's not like he's dropping in it. I

783
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 3: don't think the offensive line is going to be that

784
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 3: much better. All Right, I've had two picks already, so

785
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: I'll spend my third on the Homer pick. I'm going

786
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 3: over Seahawks seven and a half. Yeah, I feel like

787
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: that's a pretty obvious one. Honestly, this is an offense

788
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 3: said I think finished either twelve or thirteenth in DBOI

789
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: at the top of my head, I think that we're

790
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: going to see some improvement this year, hopefully with better

791
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 3: offensive line play. That's the only thing I'm concerned about.

792
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: The right tackle situation is dicey, But everything else I

793
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 3: think will be good, and I'm really excited to see

794
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 3: what Ryan Grubb plays the table brings the table. Pardon me,

795
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: I'm still high on Gino the flip side. That is

796
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: why I'm making this bet. This youx dophense was defense

797
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: part me was got awful last year, and I think

798
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: that they played below their talent level. And I think

799
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: the addition of Mike McDonald on that side of the ball,

800
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: even if he can get them just to average, which

801
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: I think is totally plausible with the talent that they

802
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: have on that roster, that gets you over seven and

803
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: a half wins pretty easily.

804
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: I completely agree. First of all, Grub was really good

805
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 2: last year at spreading the ball around in Washington. He's

806
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: got those sort of targets in Seattle, Gino, I think

807
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: we're all junior defenders here. He's gonna be able to

808
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 2: spread the ball around. Mike McDonald is really freaking smart,

809
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: really freaking smart, and I think we're gonna see, like

810
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: I think Pete Carroll probably got a bit of a

811
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: raw deal, but I think we're gonna sometimes you just

812
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: need a little bit of a shot in the arm,

813
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: and Mike McDonald's about that.

814
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I this number surprised me as much as any.

815
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: If I was more strategic, I would have taken this

816
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: before Mina could have, because I definitely love it and

817
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: it would have been one of mine. I it's weird

818
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: that the you know, they've won nine games last two years.

819
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: I know the schedule is a big part of it.

820
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: They all have tough schedules in the NFC West, in

821
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: and out of division, and I know that's a big

822
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: part of it. But grub McDonald twenty twenty four, like that,

823
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: to me is the campaign I'm behind, I think, And

824
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: they're kind of if you picked I know I was saying,

825
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: like offensive line, defensive line, that that maybe would be

826
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: the question of, like are they better than average either

827
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: definitely not on offensive line, but they're elite wide receiver

828
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: cornerback combination, like and those are positions that are highly paid,

829
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: highly important. Like that is as good as a wide

830
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: receiver plus cornerback group as there may be is in

831
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: the league. I'm gonna I'm gonna go next because it's connected,

832
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: and I decided, you know this is you know, it's

833
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: for information, but it's an also an entertainment show, and

834
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: why not go big and get a little spicy or

835
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: have some fun and go under forty nine ers eleven

836
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: and a half. I thought to combine with it because

837
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: I've just been this is not a talent argument, because yeah,

838
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: that argument doesn't quite work, So that's dangerous. It's a

839
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: schedule and human nature argument. Great division. We mentioned the schedule.

840
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: They play the AFC East out of division, pretty tough,

841
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: NFC North out of division. They're extra games. The three

842
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: extra games are at Green Bay, at Tampa Bay, and Chiefs.

843
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: So if you were trying to come up with what's

844
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,959
Speaker 1: just about the toughest schedule possible, that's close to that. Okay,

845
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: so that's number one. Then they're in this situation where

846
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: they have all the trappings of a team that's won

847
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: repeatedly without the actual fun of having done it, like

848
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: the weight of it all. Like I could absolutely see

849
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: them winning ten or eleven games and this being the

850
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: year they win the super Bowl. Anyways, But I still

851
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: win this over under because it's a tough regular season

852
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: and maybe they don't win this division and maybe they

853
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: have to get in as a wild card. That There's

854
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: there's other reasons to it, but those are the main ones.

855
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: The biggest pitfall to me for the over is them

856
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: thinking October doesn't matter like January matters. So if they

857
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: need to experiment for two weeks, like they're they're gonna, hey,

858
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: we're gonna figure out, or hey, we're going to hold

859
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: a guy out for a couple of weeks, because all

860
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: that matters is January. If Brock parties banged up, do

861
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 2: we sit them in December? Like that's the biggest obstacle

862
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: to me. But they've got the talent, they got the coach,

863
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: and we know what's gonna happen. To me, it's it's

864
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: do they care about the regular season or do they

865
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: only care about January.

866
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: That's, by the way, what's kept me away from the Chiefs.

867
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: Same thinking. But another thing, I think they don't care.

868
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: They just like, yeah, I know, I know.

869
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, I'm just like, well that was

870
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 3: which is once.

871
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: On my show.

872
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: He was like, they'll just spend a year being like, hey,

873
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: let's just develop this one like part of our game,

874
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: and we'll lose two games and we'll see you in

875
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: this January when the Super Bowl.

876
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: We're gonna do all shovel passes for one game. Just

877
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: to see another point, I think.

878
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: We're told play in the NFL Tony took a Mister

879
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: Beasts video. We took Darius Tony and put him in

880
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 2: the NFL.

881
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: Uh. The Niners were the fourth healthiest team in football

882
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: last year, and that to me seems unlikely.

883
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: It's already.

884
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you can Drake green Law, there's McCaffrey. I

885
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: know they're saying he's fine, but he's been out. It's

886
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: just you know a little bit of history.

887
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: There, Debo history, Bosa history. Oh yeah, the the line

888
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: of dinner. If I wanted to get a little more

889
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: just tangible, Like they're really counting on this, Malik Collins,

890
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd. It's just not quite what it was, and

891
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: they don't Now I'm saying all that, thinking like, yeah,

892
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: there's still the odds on favorite to win division. Yeah

893
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: they're still amazing, but just eleven and a half. It's

894
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: it's the human nature thing. It's the regular season thing.

895
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: All right, we got one round to go. We're gonna

896
00:43:52,080 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: take one last break and then we'll be back. All right,

897
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: we've reached there our last round here, Kevin, this is exciting.

898
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: We have not flown through this. So you will not

899
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: have to prepare five picks. This will be your final

900
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: selection Kevin.

901
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: There's three teams. I'm staring at one over two unders.

902
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: You can just say him, because what does it matter.

903
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: Let's hear no, don't no, no, no, no, we know

904
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: we can do we can do yeah yeah yeah.

905
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: Watch at the end. I'm gonna it's crazy. This is

906
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: such a Homer pick because they have it just to

907
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 2: please you, Greg, because they have one of the hardest

908
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: schedules in football. The New England Patriots are going to

909
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: win more than four and a half games.

910
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 3: They're on mind to my list too. May stupid.

911
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 2: So, first of all, like Drake may look bad in

912
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: practice for two reasons. First of all, it's a different

913
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 2: sport going from college to pro because the hash marks

914
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 2: are different and teams don't disguise anything at the college level.

915
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: And you've never seen the complicated blitz in your life. Okay,

916
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: So he looks bad because he's going against the Patriots defense,

917
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: which learned ball from Bill Belichick and who currently works

918
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: under Draw Mayo, who also learned from Bill Belichick. There

919
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: are a talented defense that can make any of the

920
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: young quarterbacks life hell, especially a guy who have played

921
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 2: essentially two seasons at UNC in the ACC. And the

922
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: fact that he looked rough for the first couple of

923
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: weeks should be expected, and the fact that everybody was

924
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: so doom and gloom was surprising to me. Then you

925
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: have the floor of the offense top ten yards allowed.

926
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: There's still a lot of talent there. They're still a Belichick.

927
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: It's just Brian who's who's there. Draw Mayo is a

928
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: defensive coach. They're gonna be fine, and that's all you

929
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: need for over four and a half wins.

930
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, the schedule, it's crazy. I mean, I know it'll

931
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: end up getting easier, but when you look at their

932
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: first like seven or eight games, it's just there. It's

933
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: wild to see a team that's projected to have five

934
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: fewer wins than anyone else in the division. And I

935
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: heard you on the defense, but they did fatten up

936
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: last year, like on the on the easy QBS a

937
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: little bit. And it is a little worrisome that their

938
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: two most talented players in the front seven are either

939
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: not there or in Christian Barmore's case, out indefinitely with

940
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: this blood cott issue. So that they are they are,

941
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: I know a little bit, but I'm with you.

942
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: They were.

943
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: I wrote them down. I just wasn't going to pick

944
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: them because I'm it just feels like bad jujus.

945
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: Too many good players on this defense. Still, the bar

946
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: more injury loss really hurts me. That there makes me

947
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: nervous about them being top eight or whatever I had

948
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: them projected. But I think ke On White's gonna have

949
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: a monster season ouce contract year. I still feel good

950
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 3: about you, Anthony Jennings, just like a lot of players

951
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: are good too. I mean, the linebackers are good, corners

952
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 3: are good. You got Gonzales bag. Billy Yates, who's very

953
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: plugged into the Patriots, is a huge fan of DeMarcus Covington,

954
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: who they promoted to be the defensive coordinator. So I

955
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: just think this defense is too good to lose four games.

956
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 3: I just don't see.

957
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the defensive talent is actually better then it's

958
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: been at. One of the Eagles reporters, Bo Wolf put

959
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: it this way when he was watching This is more

960
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: comment on the Eagles, but he was like, if you

961
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: were ranking the wide receivers at their joint practices, it's like,

962
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: obviously j Brown and Vonta Smith one and two, but

963
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: then the next seven people were Patriots. They actually do

964
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: have like six number three receivers. None of them are

965
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: very good in terms of like elite players, but I

966
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: think it's better with Ramandre then it's been.

967
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: It's funny that the Packers have six number twos and

968
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: the Patriots have six number threes.

969
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: It's not really how you won a team build, but

970
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: I like that thank you, thank you for kissing up.

971
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: That was on my longer list as well. All right, Mina,

972
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: your last pick.

973
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: All right, I'm staring at the sun this one. I'm

974
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 3: touching the third rail. The monkey's pause about to curl.

975
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: I'm taking Steelers under eight and a half. I know

976
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: my talent doesn't lose.

977
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: Makes so much sense, man, This team, so the.

978
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: Last year they wont ten games. They had seven point nine,

979
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: but that Green thims which wins, which is twenty first.

980
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: They had a they ring twenty first. Also in points margin.

981
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: They were very healthy last year. I know TJ a

982
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: WoT missed some games, but they were seventh in adjusted

983
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: games lost. I don't I'm not overweighting the preseason here,

984
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: but I feel like a bet on this team is

985
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: that the defense continues to play at an elite level,

986
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: which they've got like a lot of aging players, and

987
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: that the offense is an improvement on last year, and boy,

988
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: I don't know about that offense.

989
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 2: Guys.

990
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 3: It's what do you call the Raiders quarterback competition? Hostile?

991
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: This one is, yeah, the hostile like hostile, hostile four,

992
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: hostile five.

993
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: So towards the sport hostile, saw It saw franchise. I

994
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: had that on my longer list. I completely agree. My

995
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: only concern I actually said this thought about this recently, Like,

996
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: you know, the reason jet liners don't crash usually don't

997
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: crash is because there's five hundred things that have to

998
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: go wrong, they say, and if one thing goes right,

999
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: the airplane stays in the air. Like that's kind of

1000
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: how the Steelers are built, Like the plane is always

1001
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: in the air because if they always have a good line,

1002
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: they always have a good front seven. There's not a

1003
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: lot of distractions the defense. The coaching is always sound.

1004
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: Mike tom Loan's really good at motivating his guys and

1005
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: just telling and telling them directly what they need to hear.

1006
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 2: And I kind of think I think a lot about

1007
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 2: the line from Seth Wickersham's book where Jimmy Johnson told

1008
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: Belichick that I think I think the phrase was twenty

1009
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: four teams. We'll just get out of your way. The

1010
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 2: Steelers are always in the eight, always, and that's why

1011
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: I just think they win more games than they lose

1012
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: every single year, including vision.

1013
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: The only thing you know Mike tom was not good at, though,

1014
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: is hiring offensive coordinators. It used to be and I

1015
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe Arthur Smith works and I have some

1016
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: optimism that it's an upgrade from Matt Canada, but he

1017
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: hasn't really been able to figure out how to construct

1018
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: an offense. And it's been it's been a minute, all right,

1019
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna man. I think I'm just gonna go for

1020
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: the one that's more fun because I have two unders

1021
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: that I feel pretty strongly about. I'll just say I'm

1022
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: Browns and Saints.

1023
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, I one Browns is one of mine.

1024
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: Maybe let's talk Browns after this. We'll just add it,

1025
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna do that. I want to finish

1026
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: feeling positive in one that I do fully believe in, too,

1027
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: which is the kind of the the most basic one

1028
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: on the board. Maybe Texan's over nine and a half

1029
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: to me, just just just like they're so freaking talented. Anyone,

1030
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: it's just crazy. Anyone that's gone through their training camp

1031
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: is always like when they leave their training camp, they're

1032
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, their players are just so

1033
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: freaking good Mina.

1034
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 3: The flip side of the Daniel Jones meltdown was holy,

1035
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 3: Texas defense is gonna be sick this year. Derek extanely

1036
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: looks like he's ready to have like a top three

1037
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 3: cornerback type season. Danille Hunter absolute monster opposite Willianers. I'm

1038
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 3: so geeked on that defense right now. And oh, by

1039
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: the way, they have the rookie quarterback who broke records

1040
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: and also looks un I mean, I feel like you

1041
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: can't be high enough on the twenty twenty fourth Houston

1042
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: Texas right now.

1043
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: So he had the best Depasser rating in history, and

1044
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: where he struggled, oddly enough, was short and intermediate. So

1045
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: you go out and you get the and believe, the

1046
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 2: third best intermediate receiver in football last year and Stefan Diggs.

1047
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: Pair of that with the normal growth, pair of that

1048
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 2: with the year or two with the offensive coordinator, They're

1049
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: gonna be awesome this year. Like truly awesome.

1050
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: They remind me so much of the Lions a year ago,

1051
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: where they were kind of that team and then everyone

1052
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: by the end doesn't want to seem too basic by

1053
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: the time the season starts, and like there was I

1054
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: don't know if there was Lions pushback by the start

1055
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: of that year, and it's like, no, they actually did

1056
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: show who they were at the end of the previous season.

1057
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: They really are that talented. The coaching is great, the

1058
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: division's interesting. We showed the over unders and like coult

1059
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: eight and a half, I'm not opposed to that either.

1060
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: And the Jaguars to me are just a tough team

1061
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: to talk about to figure out. I'm actually gonna be

1062
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: talking with John Shipley of Jaguars on SI dot Com

1063
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: on our next show because the Jaguars are a team

1064
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: that fascinates me. But man, CJ. Stroud, you're always betting

1065
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: on the quarterback. Drew Dinsik of NBC, who I think

1066
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: is really good with this stuff. He has this podcast,

1067
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: Bet the Edge, and he sees like Ravens nineteen twenty nineteen,

1068
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: and this Texans team kind of like second year quarterback

1069
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: that might compete for the MVP and that they have

1070
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: like a thirteen fourteen win upside, and I don't think

1071
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: that's crazy. So with these overs or unders. I want

1072
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: ones that like I think they have a chance to

1073
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: beat by three or four. I feel like the Texans

1074
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: do have a chance to beat it by by two

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Speaker 1: and a half or three. So that's my last one.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, to mention Browns, just to get it in there,

1077
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna count, not gonna count towards their draft.

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00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: It's the vibes. It's the defensive decline. Jim Schwartz. Here's

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00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: here's the more tangible reason. Jim Schwartz. I've been watching

1080
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: this now for twenty years. He just pops up every

1081
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: like five years with an absolutely electric defense. Go look

1082
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: to see what happens the next year. Like the other

1083
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen years he's had as a defensive coordinator have

1084
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: mostly been fine. He did get two in a row

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00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: at one point in Tennessee and that's what got him

1086
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: the Detroit job. But other than that, he has like

1087
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: four or five epic defensive seasons and the rest are

1088
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: just kind of in the middle. And so that's just

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00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: like the decline. And then also just injuries like Watson's

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00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: out of practice today with armswords.

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Speaker 2: Once, yeah, I was gonna say general armsord.

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm just saying I've talked so much about Watson,

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00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: I'm always leaving that out of it because Jamis might

1094
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: not be even a downgreade, but Dalvin Tomlinson, Denzel Ward,

1095
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: Jack Conklin, Jedrick Willis, Greg News Like, it's all these

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00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: guys going into the season. So that's a lot.

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00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's literally fifty two people are hurt and they're

1098
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 2: on the side, and then the only one to feeld

1099
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: are Mike Brable and Jameis Winston running sprints over and

1100
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: over and over again. That's the twenty twenty four Cleveland Browns.

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00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 3: Sorry they're eleven in Oh no, I must have I

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00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: must have clicked what they're They're.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, they're eight and a half, so it would be

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00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: under eight and a half. E and a half's fair enough.

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00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: It's just more. That's one where I could see the

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00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: wheels falling off a little bit. Maybe I'm overrating, and

1107
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm obviously like not a Watson fan, but but they

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00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: them and the Saints stuck out to me as like

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00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: teams that if they get off to a creaky start

1110
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: that it could.

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00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 3: Just I'm not touching the NSC South with a ten

1112
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 3: foot pole in.

1113
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: This in this exercise. Yeah, I thought about over Bucks

1114
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: was on my list, but I didn't.

1115
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: I didn't go there.

1116
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: Just that division.

1117
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: May I ask why I was surprised. There's a team

1118
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: that didn't come up either way, and it's the Vikings

1119
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: six point five. I had a disaster. Okay, I thought

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Speaker 2: about under Vikings.

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00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: Okay, oh really bad. No, that was on this If

1122
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 1: we had like eight picks, they would have been over

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00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: Vikings would have been one of my eight pick eight

1124
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: or nine picks. They were on my medium list. Why

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00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: under Kevin?

1126
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: That's cool? Well, because Sam Donald's been in the league

1127
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: for a long time, and uh, I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I pulled the stat up here. Since twenty nineteen, thirty

1129
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: nine quarterbacks have had one thousand dropbacks. Among that group,

1130
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 2: Donald ranks thirty seventh and EPA per play and thirty

1131
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: six in success rate.

1132
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Speaker 1: Yeah, those first those first couple of years, I remember

1133
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: bringing it up on the Round the NFL podcast with

1134
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: the historical comps that Sam Darnald had were always like

1135
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: the worst quarterbacks in the NFLS three, I think he

1136
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: can be fine.

1137
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: And then and then what happened in the ensuing years, Yes.

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00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: Yes, but Mina's with me on over Vikings. All right,

1139
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: let's let's recap. I know before I before I say goodbye,

1140
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: Kevin was wrong about the Vikings, but it's not going

1141
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: to count. We are going to keep track of this.

1142
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: Kevin went over Rams eight and a half, under Raiders

1143
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: six and a half, under Giants six and a half,

1144
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: and over Pats four and a half. So he did not,

1145
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: you know, really pick the best teams in the league.

1146
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: He kind of trolled at the bottom. And we'll see

1147
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: Mina goes over Broncos five and a half under Chargers

1148
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: eight and a half. I like that over Seahawks seven

1149
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: and a half under Steelers eight and a half. Those

1150
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: all make a lot of sense to me. I have

1151
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: to find chill. Just went down my spine, and then

1152
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: I went for a lot of the more premium teams here.

1153
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: I went over Bills nine and a half, under Bears

1154
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: nine and a half, under forty nine Ers eleven and

1155
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: a half, and over Texans nine and a half. To

1156
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: make my son happy, I wanted him to fill this

1157
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: out as an exercise. I thought maybe it could be

1158
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: part of the show. Even I gave him the list

1159
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 1: and he just went overs with like the four teams

1160
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: that made the championship game last year, and I just realized, like,

1161
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: you're not ready for this. You know, you're Jordan Love

1162
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: and your rookie season. That that's not good content. You're

1163
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: just taking overs on the four best teams.

1164
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: Who was on television talking about football. I think your

1165
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: son is ready for this because what the analysis he

1166
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 3: just provided, I think would would work in certain programming.

1167
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 2: You sound like Brian Flores and your son is Tua.

1168
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: You're just really giving him tough love.

1169
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: No I didn't, you know, I didn't. I didn't tell

1170
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: that to him, but I was just like, okay, this

1171
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: is I don't know if this is good content. You're

1172
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: just all all the teams that made the final four

1173
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: being over. That doesn't that doesn't get me going. But

1174
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: he's a Texans fan, so he'll like that pick.

1175
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: I mean, what if I rebranded next year. It was

1176
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: just one of those people who just tweeted how good

1177
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: a team's going to be every single day, like that

1178
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: be a crew move.

1179
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: What kind of format are we talking about? Kind of

1180
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: tweet format?

1181
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: Just just like I'll make a video and I'm just like,

1182
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: you know, everybody, everybody's sleeping, everybody's sleeping on the Raiders. Right.

1183
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: I did not do an entire offseason of NFL Daily,

1184
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: But next year that is my plan to go through

1185
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: every team and at one point give their fan base

1186
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: just a little a little something to chew on that

1187
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: they're that they're underrated, because who's gonna really of them.

1188
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: I feel terrible for saying this. There's a guy who

1189
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: does that in college, and I get really annoyed with him.

1190
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: And then one day he just sent me a random DA.

1191
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: He's like, every every team is like gonna be a

1192
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: problem this year. He just randomly sent me a DM.

1193
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: Never met them in my life, and he just said,

1194
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: thank you for all you do for the sport of football.

1195
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: And I was like, what a DM.

1196
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 3: I love this guy, and you felt, just like all

1197
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 3: those fan bases he was calling you underrated.

1198
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: Everybody's sleeping on.

1199
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Speaker 3: Kevin Clark.

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Speaker 1: You guys, you guys did do a lot. You do

1201
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: a lot for the sport. You're you're making us all smarter. Kevin.

1202
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: Can I quickly tell a Daniel Jones story that I

1203
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: wasn't able to tell earlier? Does anybody have to go?

1204
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: You can't, You can't know now, there's no there's no time,

1205
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: none of us.

1206
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: If the story sucks. If the story sucks, you can

1207
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: cut it. So I went to a Zach Bryan concert,

1208
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: which after Lenton at the Super Bowl, and uh, it

1209
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: was presented by a beer company, and I had a

1210
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: lot of the beer company. A lot of it was served,

1211
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: and I had a lot. And I was actually ironically

1212
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: going to afterwards meet up with the NFL Live crew

1213
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: at a different event. So I have so much and

1214
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: I I'm leaving and it's late and I end up

1215
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: not meeting up with the NFL Live crew and Darlington

1216
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 2: and I are just just having a blasted the Zach

1217
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: Brian concert. And I checked my camera roll the next

1218
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: day and I kind of remember this. It wasn't like

1219
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: I blacked out, but I took an uncomfortably close photo

1220
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: of Daniel Jones and Shane Gillis talking to each other

1221
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 2: just to look at the valet, just like a creep shot.

1222
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: And I don't know why I did it, Like I

1223
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: don't know if it was to send my Giants fan

1224
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: friends or whatever. But now I've been thinking, I've been

1225
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: horrified at this ever since. It is like did they

1226
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: look at me? And We're like, why is this guy

1227
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: taking a creepshot of us at the valet, which, by

1228
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: the way, I didn't valet a car. I walked down

1229
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: the veiggest trip. So now I've just got this creep

1230
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: shot on my phone and I now have been wondering

1231
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: if they looked at me, and we're like, this guy's

1232
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: a creep.

1233
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you, I don't think Daniel Jones

1234
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 3: sees that far away that well, corback.

1235
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: Brudo. I mean, we spend five minutes getting after Daniel

1236
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: Jones earlier, and then we end the show with that.

1237
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: I want you to send this, Kevin, and if you

1238
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: can send this picture to me, we could at it

1239
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: if you feel comfortable with that. But I'm with you.

1240
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: I did that same thing when I saw show on

1241
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: the on the field that the Rams game. I totally

1242
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: lost my mind because it was showed the show, Hey Tony,

1243
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: and then I realized, like, I'm being a total creep.

1244
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm like three feet away from this this man and

1245
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: bothering him, and so I regret it. I hope you

1246
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: don't regret that.

1247
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: I'm not like I'm not. And I was so close,

1248
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh my god, I was so look

1249
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: at this. It was way too close.

1250
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's weird. Gillis always with NFL players. He was

1251
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 3: at Christian McCaffrey's wedding.

1252
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what, I don't know.

1253
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: I I do appreciate what you guys do for football,

1254
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: Kevin though, I mean it. You're you're making us better,

1255
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: You're making us smarter with This is Football over at

1256
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: ESPN and obviously all the NFL programming around the horn there.

1257
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: Check out his podcast, check out the Mina Chaims Show

1258
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: featuring Leney and as I mentioned, yeah, I will be

1259
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: back with our last show of the week. I'm very

1260
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: into the AFC South this year, Texans and Jaguars, who

1261
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: are actually doing a bit of a deep dive Seth

1262
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: Payne who covers the Texans, John Shipley who does the Jaguars,

1263
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: and will recap the preseason games until then the next

1264
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: day