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Speaker 1: and sixteen NFL Combine. I'm Brian brought us along with
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, CBS Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Jeff
Speaker 1: Kabanov one oh five three The Fan, my scouting buddy
Speaker 1: during the week and rival on the weekends when we
Speaker 1: argue about these players. And Kevin Turner also from one
Speaker 1: oh five three The Fan, a little bit more apologetic
Speaker 1: about why he doesn't like a particular player, unlike Jeff.
Speaker 1: So gentlemen, welcome to day one of the combine. Snowing outside,
Speaker 1: nice and toasty in here for some draft talk. Have
Speaker 1: the running backs, the offensive line, and the specialists on
Speaker 1: tap today. No workouts, all interviews. That's something we'll be
Speaker 1: talking about today. I want to get your feeling on
Speaker 1: those guys maybe what we could expect tomorrow. I want
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Speaker 1: at the Draft Show. For a question, I'll make sure
Speaker 1: the panel gets it. But Dan, I'll start with you
Speaker 1: offensive line. It started off initially okay, we got the
Speaker 1: specialist trickling through, and then then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: and we got a few other guy, a few offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Then there was some big time offensive lineman, Dick, some
Speaker 1: big time tackles that made an appearance in that room today, right,
Speaker 1: and the first day is always about the three ms,
Speaker 1: the medicals, the measurements, and then the media. That's when
Speaker 1: they all come strolling into the media room and we
Speaker 1: get to a chance to really pick their brain about
Speaker 1: how the process is going, and you know, just kind
Speaker 1: of get a feel for them as people. And for
Speaker 1: a lot of these players, these seniors, we've seen him
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl or some other all star events,
Speaker 1: but for the underclassman, it's really our first chance to
Speaker 1: talk to them of close and you know, kind of
Speaker 1: throw questions at him. And so that was the case
Speaker 1: with Laramie Tunsel, who at the projected number one overall
Speaker 1: pick the favorite to go number one overall, and he
Speaker 1: made a strong case why the Tennessee Titans should pick him,
Speaker 1: saying he is the best when you talk about the
Speaker 1: best tackles in this draft. So I thought he was convincing.
Speaker 1: He was great. Ronnie Stanley not as impressive. During his interview,
Speaker 1: kind of talked about someone asked him what do you
Speaker 1: hope to prove today? And he really harped a lot
Speaker 1: on the fact that there are some questions out there
Speaker 1: about his effort, his competitive fire, you know, does he
Speaker 1: have does he love football basically, and so he harped
Speaker 1: on that quite a few times, and so and there
Speaker 1: has been that question out there. So that's something that
Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley is aware of and something that he's going
Speaker 1: to try and prove to scouts and NFL teams this
Speaker 1: week during the interview process, Jeff, your thoughts though you
Speaker 1: you had you came in, you know, pre show talking
Speaker 1: a little bit about some of these running backs and
Speaker 1: really what you you know, we you know, the questions
Speaker 1: about Tunsil and Stanley and those guys. But you got
Speaker 1: a shot to talk to a couple of running backs today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I thought, for me, there was one guy in particular,
Speaker 1: because I think at the combine it's a great opportunity
Speaker 1: for a lot of these players where there's certain things
Speaker 1: you get to see on tape or that we get
Speaker 1: to see on tape when we watch these guys, and
Speaker 1: there's certain things that teams don't ask guys to do.
Speaker 1: So for Alex Collin is the guy from Arkansas who
Speaker 1: I think we all really like as a runner, right downhill, guy, decisive, powerful,
Speaker 1: not gonna quit. Like, really like him as a runner.
Speaker 1: And so he was up there on his podium and
Speaker 1: we're talking to him about the other facets of his game,
Speaker 1: and he talked about taking pride in the past protection
Speaker 1: and he talked about how excited he is to come
Speaker 1: out here and show off catching the football because that's
Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, we make notes
Speaker 1: on him when we first watched him, we're like, man,
Speaker 1: that's a really good runner. Really like the way he
Speaker 1: runs the football, but you don't really see him block
Speaker 1: a lot. You don't really see him catch the ball
Speaker 1: a lot. And he made the note He's like, I
Speaker 1: never dropped one. Yeah, And so for a guy like
Speaker 1: that to to sort of dispel something that people could
Speaker 1: have as a possible knock on him, I think that's
Speaker 1: a big deal. Yeah. And Kat, your first trip here
Speaker 1: to Indianapolis into the combine and all the experience that
Speaker 1: you had today, you know, and seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, we focus Dane, talked about Tunsa, and we
Speaker 1: talked about Collins and just anybody else. It's kind of
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, wet your appetitle because you've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of tape on these guys and this is
Speaker 1: your first experience to get up personal, hear him talk
Speaker 1: a little bit and see what they're all about. Well,
Speaker 1: it's fun to go get close to some of those
Speaker 1: guys who are later in the day, later in the
Speaker 1: draft type of guys. The day three guys so much
Speaker 1: to Denver Kirkland had started to kind of beating him
Speaker 1: down about hey man, you're moving back into guard right
Speaker 1: like that. You've got to move back into guard, right?
Speaker 1: He said, Oh yeah, everyone's talking to me about playing guard.
Speaker 1: He's a guy here, even though he had to play
Speaker 1: tackle last year. I know Denver Kirkland's a you know,
Speaker 1: a third day type of guy now. But I also
Speaker 1: there's a guy I didn't get to see today, and
Speaker 1: it's my second favorite running back in the draft. It's
Speaker 1: DeVante Booker, and I was hoping. I know he's not
Speaker 1: going to participate or anything because of his knee, but
Speaker 1: I did see that he put on a little bit
Speaker 1: of weight, which was something he was wanting to do.
Speaker 1: I think he got up to around two twenty, and
Speaker 1: I didn't get to talk to him because that we
Speaker 1: were so consumed with, you know, dealing with Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: and all that. And I don't even know if he
Speaker 1: even came out and did interviews or not. I didn't
Speaker 1: get a chance. You might see him tomorrow, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well hopefully we do get to Zeke too, because I
Speaker 1: did not come. Yeah. That's and that when when all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, when you don't start seeing guys and
Speaker 1: I wrote about this on Dallas Cowboys dot com this morning,
Speaker 1: kind of my my combined primer. You start when you
Speaker 1: don't see guys you wrong, Yeah, what medical information? What
Speaker 1: medical what? What team is holding my favorite running back
Speaker 1: up from coming in and visiting with me? You know,
Speaker 1: That's that's all of a sudden. So yeah, like Dane says,
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll catch up with those guys as they come through.
Speaker 1: Speaking of running backs though, you know, and we like
Speaker 1: to be a show that not only investigates but educates
Speaker 1: the fans out there. And that's our big thing. And
Speaker 1: you know, the Dallas Cowboys particularly, and we have a
Speaker 1: lot of fans out there, just not Dallas Cowboy fans,
Speaker 1: and you know, we love the ones we have, but
Speaker 1: we you know, we try and be a full service
Speaker 1: show here. But let's talk about maybe what we saw Henry,
Speaker 1: Derek Henry up there on the podium today, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and he was very kind of like the
Speaker 1: smile was someone asking well how much you weigh? You know,
Speaker 1: and here's a guy that we gamos gave you what
Speaker 1: he gave you two forty ninety seven. Yeah, So all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're sitting there to going. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're not a Derek Henry fan and all, I
Speaker 1: didn't think that he looked now he was in sweats
Speaker 1: and all that stuff like two and a half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's but you're thinking attributed. You're thinking about, you know,
Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty pound guy. Now, maybe this
Speaker 1: guy not for the Dallas Cowboys, and folks will go
Speaker 1: out there, they'll go, oh hey, Brian, why not for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. You know, I think that they're looking
Speaker 1: for a different type of back. I don't think that
Speaker 1: that Derrick Henry fits in his back. But we'll talk
Speaker 1: about him. What just you know, when you were standing
Speaker 1: there or you got the opportunity to see him with
Speaker 1: your own eyes, just he thoughts about Derrick Henry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's obviously the weight. He even surprises. He was surprised
Speaker 1: by that. He said he's been working to add some weight,
Speaker 1: get stronger, but even he wasn't expecting two forty seven.
Speaker 1: Now we'll see obviously, you know, is that going to
Speaker 1: hinder him at all with the different drills and things
Speaker 1: like that. But he reminded me a little bit of
Speaker 1: Cam Newton up there, just with a smile. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he was just happy to be there answer all the questions. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about it's forty yard dash. She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you guys, I have a goal, but
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see if I get there. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit then. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: I think a lot is going to be said about,
Speaker 1: you know, guys like that. We thought that tread Well,
Speaker 1: there's there's certain guys in this draft, and when we
Speaker 1: evaluate players, we're we're interested in seeing, Hey, what's what
Speaker 1: do we think this guy is gonna run? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm interested to see what the Notre Dame
Speaker 1: receiver is gonna run. Hopefully, Yeah, I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: how fast he really is. But I'm also I'm interested
Speaker 1: in Henry and I just because from a standpoint of, okay,
Speaker 1: is this a you know, the time that we were
Speaker 1: working with and scouts were working with going into the
Speaker 1: fall was four or five four, So I was kind
Speaker 1: of thinking, though, if he runs four or five four
Speaker 1: or better, you know, I think that's a that's a
Speaker 1: positive for him. But anything if he goes in that
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's two hundred and forty seven pounds,
Speaker 1: he runs four six eight. Then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: do people think about him differently or again? Is it
Speaker 1: I told you so and he's he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to do? You know, he doesn't create, he needs
Speaker 1: this needs that is Derrick Henry does. Does it? Does
Speaker 1: it hurt him in that? When you watch him one film?
Speaker 1: Would you think? What? What does forty time? Did you
Speaker 1: think he was a four or five athlete? Well, because
Speaker 1: there's times when he does separate. I mean you see
Speaker 1: him breaking second level and go, I'm not he's down
Speaker 1: on Derek Herry. I know that there's people out there
Speaker 1: that do like him. I know there's fans that ask
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. I'm oh, hey, who's not intrigued
Speaker 1: by a two hundred and fifty pound back? I round
Speaker 1: up in his case. But if he were to run better,
Speaker 1: does that Does that change your thinking about him at all?
Speaker 1: Or is that make any difference? Kate too, I feel
Speaker 1: like I know what I'm getting with Derek Henry. I
Speaker 1: feel really good about the evaluation on him because I
Speaker 1: don't know if the speed is gonna is gonna make
Speaker 1: too much of a difference. I feel like I know
Speaker 1: what he is and I think it people kind of
Speaker 1: freak out just beca as I'm you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people mate like a couple other running backs better
Speaker 1: than him. I think he's a third round guy, and
Speaker 1: I feel confident in that evaluation. A lot of people
Speaker 1: see him as a second round guy and that that's okay.
Speaker 1: But I don't see him as the best running back
Speaker 1: in the draft or anything. I think it's clearly Zeke
Speaker 1: and I've I like two other guys more than I
Speaker 1: like Derrick Henry. You know, I'm okay, Jeff, what kind
Speaker 1: of player you think somebody's gonna get it they draft
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry. I think it depends who gets him because
Speaker 1: for all of them, I mean, we we've talked about
Speaker 1: this guy a lot, and I feel like most people
Speaker 1: when I talk about him, feel like I'm being negative
Speaker 1: because I point out, yeah, dat hate why you hate him?
Speaker 1: I don't. That's it's very fair you hate him, Well
Speaker 1: hate Every hero needs a villain. Hey, boys, we're here
Speaker 1: all week. We get to talk about him all week
Speaker 1: long if you want so. So for Henry, every time
Speaker 1: that I talk about him, I do point out that
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna give him a clean route for
Speaker 1: his first two or three steps, Like, if you've got
Speaker 1: penetration in your backfield, Derrick Henry is in trouble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's in big trouble. He's not a guy that's going
Speaker 1: to get out of that. But once you get him going,
Speaker 1: I mean you see on a lot of his runs,
Speaker 1: once he breaks into the open field, the dude can go.
Speaker 1: He can run. And so for me, it's all about
Speaker 1: what team he goes to. So for all of the
Speaker 1: times that I point out the things I don't love
Speaker 1: about him as a player, I still realize that if
Speaker 1: he ended up with the Dallas Cowboys, I probably flip
Speaker 1: my whole opinion because they can give that to it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: give him those steps and then you're looking at You're
Speaker 1: looking at linebackers, safeties, corners, they just fall off the guy.
Speaker 1: The stiff arm is so long. It's just it's so
Speaker 1: hard to get a hold of him. And that's why
Speaker 1: I really don't care what Derrick Henry runs in the
Speaker 1: forty yard dash. I've seen him, you know, speed away
Speaker 1: from linebackers. I care. So you're higher on him than
Speaker 1: we are, though you're a little I mean I gave
Speaker 1: him at a mid to late second round grade. Okay,
Speaker 1: I care more about the short shuttle, the three cone drill,
Speaker 1: that short area, quickness, the change of direction, because that is,
Speaker 1: you know, with those longer legs, it is a little
Speaker 1: tougher for him when he's in the pocket, a constrained
Speaker 1: pocket to create on his own, when the hole's not
Speaker 1: there and he can't get to the second level. So
Speaker 1: the short, the short shuttle, the three con drill, that
Speaker 1: will tell me a lot more about Derrick Henry than
Speaker 1: the forty yard act. Just in my opinion. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get back to these, uh, the offensive tackles a little bit.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. I'm talking about a guy
Speaker 1: I was impressed with and I and I you know,
Speaker 1: I like i'ma I like Taylor Decker admitted I got
Speaker 1: him as a first round guy. But I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what I like talking to Jack Conklin today. I you
Speaker 1: know what I really and and what surprised me about
Speaker 1: Jack Conklin was he talked about a cowboy, a Dallas
Speaker 1: cowboy right now who's been making the news here as
Speaker 1: of late, is one of the most difficult guys that
Speaker 1: he's ever had to face in Randy Gregory right. You
Speaker 1: know when you talk about yeah, he's like, hey man,
Speaker 1: that first step, you know, and you're thinking, okay, where's
Speaker 1: that guy also mentioned who's been helping him. Yeah, prepare
Speaker 1: legendary former Cowboys offensive line coach. Yeah, uh so right,
Speaker 1: And so I think that's a couple of Cowboys connections there.
Speaker 1: But the thing that struck me with Conklin was, and
Speaker 1: I wrote about this today, was his praise for Connor Cook.
Speaker 1: Do you think that was an act? I don't. You know. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Conklin seems like a good, good dude. He's gonna stick
Speaker 1: up for his teammates. But I don't think he's going
Speaker 1: it's going to be he's just gonna stick up for
Speaker 1: him just for the heck of it. I think he
Speaker 1: meant everything he said, and now that it's not saying
Speaker 1: that other teammates might disagree, but I think Jack Conklin,
Speaker 1: you know what he's he's He called Connor a leader
Speaker 1: on our team, no doubt about it. Talk to anybody
Speaker 1: at Michigan State and you'll get the same answer. So
Speaker 1: positive praise for his quarterback. You know, all of Connor
Speaker 1: Cook's teammates are going to get the same question Obviously
Speaker 1: the negative rumors have been coming from somewhere. Um, they're
Speaker 1: not just made up, so they're still not gonna go
Speaker 1: way just because Jack Conklin says so. But it does
Speaker 1: help Connor throughout this process that he has his left
Speaker 1: tackle sticking up for him. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: good point, Dan, because it wasn't just a broad defense
Speaker 1: of Connor Cook. I mean the questions kind of there
Speaker 1: were a couple more about specific incidents or or you know,
Speaker 1: narratives that have taken place over the last few months,
Speaker 1: and he was he had his back the whole way.
Speaker 1: So I guess the you know, go ask Jack Allen
Speaker 1: the same thing and see if he takes gets Connor
Speaker 1: Cook's back too. But if you if you talk about
Speaker 1: I believe it happened though at the at the Senior Bowls,
Speaker 1: some of the buzz started coming down. And maybe I'm
Speaker 1: wrong about this, Dan, but Jack Allen kind of I
Speaker 1: think he started with some comments that were you know,
Speaker 1: maybe off the record that were made that the people
Speaker 1: got some people got a hold of that and they
Speaker 1: kind of attributed to you know, well, you know he
Speaker 1: is what he is, that kind of thing. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that depending on what you think about Connor Cook,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's nice to have teammates, but
Speaker 1: also that he had a couple of teammates, you know
Speaker 1: say hey, well you know and you know we and
Speaker 1: and scouts don't get to watch the practices at Michigan
Speaker 1: State as far as get to watch a lot of it,
Speaker 1: so you don't know what the leadership and all that is,
Speaker 1: you know, going on with it. And the fact that
Speaker 1: he wasn't voted to captain, he chose not to go
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl. I mean, they're just other contributing factors. Well,
Speaker 1: there were four games. I was talked to a Michigan
Speaker 1: State guy. There were four games though that he was
Speaker 1: elected captain. He wasn't a permanent captain. He was always
Speaker 1: a rotating captain of the sleet Calhoun, Jack Allen, and
Speaker 1: there was one more, Darien Harris, the linebacker I think
Speaker 1: were the permanent team captains. But another left tackle who
Speaker 1: had a lot of praise, first quarterback Joe Haigh not
Speaker 1: Dakota State. He had some interesting comments saying back in
Speaker 1: twenty eleven when when Carson was a red shirt along
Speaker 1: with Joe, both red shirts, they're on the scout team
Speaker 1: and when Carson was at quarterback, he was by far
Speaker 1: the best quarterback that that the North Dakota State defense
Speaker 1: would face. I mean he and look at some of
Speaker 1: these words that that Joe used to describe Carson amazing,
Speaker 1: a servant leader, a master of his craft. I mean,
Speaker 1: go on and on. I mean, Joe Haig was basically
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz's agent today with the words that he was
Speaker 1: coming coming up with to describe his quarterback. Uh So
Speaker 1: I think, you know, we see we saw today that
Speaker 1: left tackles protect their quarterbacks not only on the field,
Speaker 1: but also off the field. Yeah, that's and and I think,
Speaker 1: to me, though, it's really I love this opportunity to
Speaker 1: get to visit with it or at least they hear
Speaker 1: these guys talk. You know, I like that because I
Speaker 1: want to make sure I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: uh the uh that the you know that uh, that
Speaker 1: we get that evaluation not only from the tape, but
Speaker 1: you get to see a little bit. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that going back to Stanley a little bit, if
Speaker 1: there's questions about him being soft, you know what, I
Speaker 1: believe you, I believe him a little bit. His his
Speaker 1: personality and again, I don't have dr period in front
Speaker 1: of my name, But I'm just evaluating body language. I'm
Speaker 1: evaluating how, you know, his the confidence. That's why Jack Conklin,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him and I'm thinking, you know what,
Speaker 1: this this kid gets it. I'm watching Tunsel. This kid
Speaker 1: gets it, you know. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: if I'm a team and I'm interviewing Stanley and he
Speaker 1: has that kind of demeanor, and maybe maybe he's gonna
Speaker 1: be laser focused when he's talking to these teams, and
Speaker 1: maybe it's not like this is a kid from a
Speaker 1: lower school. It is not. But didn't his body language
Speaker 1: and his answers if you were a team, would you
Speaker 1: be concerned? Yeah? Absolutely, And especially because you see it
Speaker 1: on Tabe a little bit. Yeah, you see finesse. And
Speaker 1: today during the interviews, Tounsel and Stanley were back to
Speaker 1: back and it was just the complete opposite of each other.
Speaker 1: With a tunsl is up there, jovial and really projecting
Speaker 1: himself and he looked comfortable talking about himself, where Stanley
Speaker 1: he was a complete opposite, very reserved and very h
Speaker 1: scripted to a point, you know, like he knew what
Speaker 1: he wanted to say, and he made sure he hit
Speaker 1: on those you know, token points. So, uh, with Tunsel,
Speaker 1: you know, if you didn't think he was the best
Speaker 1: tackle in this draft before today, I think you know,
Speaker 1: it'd only reinforced what your thought. So you sound disappointed
Speaker 1: by that. What's that that you did that he came
Speaker 1: off that way? Uh? Stanley, Yeah, I was shocked. If
Speaker 1: you I was shocked. If you're gonna invest a top
Speaker 1: ten pick and a guy you want, you want a
Speaker 1: mean dude. You want a guy that's up there and
Speaker 1: commands the room and talks about how he's the best
Speaker 1: and how it talks about you just command. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was kind of the same. Tunsel was the best
Speaker 1: interview that I think we saw today, just listening to
Speaker 1: him talk about how he's the best, talking about how
Speaker 1: he wants to go up the road to Nashville and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, help Tennessee turn things around. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he was very confident, where with Stanley you didn't get that.
Speaker 1: And there the questions with Stanley go back to his
Speaker 1: basketball background. He was a top basket ball recruit out
Speaker 1: of the state of Nevada. As a senior year in
Speaker 1: high school, decided to go to the football route, and
Speaker 1: you see it on tape where you just see a
Speaker 1: little finesse, you see a little uh, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: where he's laid back. And I think Stanley knows this.
Speaker 1: He's hurt it, and so he addressed it today, and
Speaker 1: but he didn't sell it well enough to exactly the way.
Speaker 1: The way that he addressed it seemed to reinforce the
Speaker 1: question exactly. Yeah, because it was it was. It was
Speaker 1: night and day. Because like at the end of his
Speaker 1: media portion was the beginning of Laramie Tunsil's So you
Speaker 1: walked from Ronnie Stanley kind of standing there, almost kind
Speaker 1: of slouched like yeah, yeah, you know, people are questioning
Speaker 1: a passion and I'm gonna go show him how important
Speaker 1: football is. Then he turned the corner and Laramie Tunsil
Speaker 1: standing there confidently, he's leading smile. Yeah, I'm the best
Speaker 1: player in this draft. How you guys do laughing? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: he's leaning over it like he's in the he's in
Speaker 1: the crowd. They're trying to ask questions and he's leaning
Speaker 1: down into the crowd trying to trying to answer the questions.
Speaker 1: For you, I laughed three or four times. Yeah, listening
Speaker 1: to touns will talk about just different things. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was he was having fun with it. He was
Speaker 1: having fun. Okay, we're gonna take our first break of
Speaker 1: the day and then and then be joined by Dan
Speaker 1: Turner is going to come in and sit in with
Speaker 1: us for a little bit. We're gonna talk about some
Speaker 1: of the things that we will be able to look
Speaker 1: forward to Tomorrow. We're gonna have another group coming in
Speaker 1: through the interviews here, but we're gonna have a group
Speaker 1: that will be on the field doing some work. So
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with the draft show in just
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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft showy Clock.
Speaker 1: We are indeed on the clock here from the Indianapolis Combine,
Speaker 1: the two thou sixteen version of Indianapolis Combine. We're actually
Speaker 1: just known as the Combine. And I you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a segue down said that, you know, used to call
Speaker 1: it the Open Championship's call it the Open right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: Open best. So now that I was going to segue
Speaker 1: into that, I will bring our draft expert from across
Speaker 1: the pond, Internet international superstar for sure, and our buddy
Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft Zone dot Com, Dan turned Dan.
Speaker 1: So wonderful to have you here in Indianapolis, and thank
Speaker 1: you for all you do for us overseas and make
Speaker 1: us think about players in a different light. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you very much. I mean, it's an absolute honor to
Speaker 1: be on here, by the way, just because I've been
Speaker 1: watching this show for quite a while now and been
Speaker 1: on here with Brian and Dane, who I essentially learned
Speaker 1: to scout off. I mean I would I pretty much
Speaker 1: learned all I am all I know just from going
Speaker 1: through your scouting reports and Dane's draft guide and just
Speaker 1: highlighting words that and phrases that I didn't understand and
Speaker 1: googling them and watching film to try and find the
Speaker 1: to try and find what they actually means. That's pretty
Speaker 1: much how actually got started in this. So it's a
Speaker 1: it's a privilege to be on with you guys. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you for for being here, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see you. It was it was fun for
Speaker 1: me today and I've been coming to this combine since
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, and it was fun to see you
Speaker 1: have the experience of kind of going through and to
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to visit with the players. We all
Speaker 1: kind of shared a little story of something or two
Speaker 1: anything stand out to you today. You've you've watched these players,
Speaker 1: you've studied these players, but the chet the fact that
Speaker 1: you've now got to see him up close a little
Speaker 1: bit interestingly, I think the really the thing that stuck
Speaker 1: out in the most is actually how sami they are
Speaker 1: actually to what I expected of them. So to me,
Speaker 1: the combine is and always has been finding players who
Speaker 1: I was wrong about in my evaluations, my initial evaluations.
Speaker 1: So I basically I'll be right about ninety percent of
Speaker 1: these measurements and forty times and virtile jumps and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, because I feel like I have an idea
Speaker 1: of these players. But it's about finding the ten percent
Speaker 1: who I was, who I was wrong with in my
Speaker 1: initial evaluation. And I'm not Stubb, and I'll i'm might Stubb,
Speaker 1: and I'll admit when I'm wrong with these guys. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to do that. So but the initial impressions
Speaker 1: of today especially is that I don't really think I
Speaker 1: was wrong about any of these measurements or about any
Speaker 1: of this stuff. So it's actually a successful first day. Really, well,
Speaker 1: that's good. I mean, I'm excited again that you're here.
Speaker 1: So and but you now get to be a part
Speaker 1: of something a tradition here on the Draft show. We
Speaker 1: like to have to play a game because of of
Speaker 1: Ed K. Hill and it's called Twitter on the twenty
Speaker 1: even though we are a little bit behind the twenty
Speaker 1: right now. But I like to get in. I like
Speaker 1: to have the fan interaction here. I think it's really
Speaker 1: important that we be able to do that with the fans.
Speaker 1: They have plenty of questions here, h and you know,
Speaker 1: and I'll try and go through. I'll read them to
Speaker 1: me and and you see, you know, you guys take
Speaker 1: a crack at it on the answers. And Connor Diez
Speaker 1: wants to know. And this Dane, you can start us
Speaker 1: off with this one. Connor Diez wants to know. Are
Speaker 1: you concerned it all about Bosa off the field? It
Speaker 1: is something that needs to be addressed. Obviously, he was
Speaker 1: suspended for the season opener of twenty fifteen. And you know,
Speaker 1: the reports say failed marijuana drug task that that that
Speaker 1: was the reason. But I'm also encouraged by the steps
Speaker 1: he took after words moving out of his apartment. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, was Zeke Elliott and a few other guys
Speaker 1: moving into isolation basically, and you know, kind of he
Speaker 1: didn't want any temptation around him, And it's a little
Speaker 1: worrisome because you know, did he need to do that,
Speaker 1: you know, to see if there's temptation around him? Is
Speaker 1: that going to uh? You know, you have to worry
Speaker 1: about him because in the NFL, he's not going to
Speaker 1: be as closely watched us a bunch of money exactly,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a millionaire, So a little more tempt
Speaker 1: temptation might come his way, something something to address, but
Speaker 1: not something I'm worried about, and he more concerned. I mean,
Speaker 1: Dane spelled it out for You're right there, though, is
Speaker 1: this something again the Cowboys talk about case by case
Speaker 1: and you know Noah' spense as a guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like to me, there's a couple of defensive
Speaker 1: ends here that are gonna be very high people's boards
Speaker 1: that have concerns. Oh, It's interesting because there was some
Speaker 1: place to die, you who had some off the failed
Speaker 1: issues as well, and there was there was some who
Speaker 1: came out and admitted it and took accountability, and there
Speaker 1: was some who just tried to skirts over the subject.
Speaker 1: So I'm really interested to hear what joy Bosa has
Speaker 1: in his interview, because to me, the guys who skirts
Speaker 1: over it aren't aren't really admitting it, aren't taking the
Speaker 1: accountability that they should be. So I'm interested to hear
Speaker 1: what joy Bosa says, But on the face of it,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything serious here. I do believe
Speaker 1: he's a good team mate, and he just made a
Speaker 1: few minutes. I think he was just too much of
Speaker 1: a party go early on and he seems to have changed.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it sounds like something I had a problem
Speaker 1: I had at LSU. Scott Cody wants to know, guys,
Speaker 1: what are your favorite one techniques? Now you know me, Dane,
Speaker 1: I've got to bring this always back to the one
Speaker 1: technique that's my favorite position. At talk. The team never
Speaker 1: drafts and Garrett was even asked about that today and
Speaker 1: he kind of goes, it's a little early and we're
Speaker 1: just sending up okay, and then they don't draft one,
Speaker 1: and everyone else does, what are your favorite one techniques
Speaker 1: for rounds two through five? But you have one guy
Speaker 1: that you're kind of having on that you're kind of
Speaker 1: focusing on, and I we're the same one. Well, one
Speaker 1: of my guys I really really like. And then Dane
Speaker 1: is just going to DP him down. When I dropped
Speaker 1: the name Hassan Ridgeway out of Texas, that's what I
Speaker 1: was talking about. Okay, that's our guy. Okay, okay, then
Speaker 1: yeah we're agreed. Then, like watching him on tape was great. Okay,
Speaker 1: what round? What round? That's the thing you right, thirty
Speaker 1: four seems sort of high. But oh no, But here's
Speaker 1: the problem. I you can't play the game of is
Speaker 1: he going to make it to me? If you really
Speaker 1: want to upgrade that position, and that's the best guy
Speaker 1: on the board at the time, I could take him
Speaker 1: at thirty four. I think on tape he shows traits
Speaker 1: of both defensive tackles. He shows some quickness and some burst.
Speaker 1: He shows some power, He's so active, he plays violently.
Speaker 1: I really really liked his tape, and we're going to
Speaker 1: see probably some of these one techniques fall into that
Speaker 1: second round, and so that's the I want Andrew Bill
Speaker 1: does a drawn reed fall. Does you know some of
Speaker 1: these other talented defensive tackles that we really like in
Speaker 1: the end of round one sneak through to thirty four.
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then our brother at the
Speaker 1: end of the at the end of the table here though,
Speaker 1: he has some questions about Jeran Reid. Oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not that I don't like Jeran Reid. I just think
Speaker 1: that he's a guy who don't he doesn't stay on
Speaker 1: the field on third down, and I think there's there's
Speaker 1: just a certain there is there is a value in that.
Speaker 1: I mean, the third down is the money down at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, So I need I need
Speaker 1: someone who's gonna be able to stay on the field.
Speaker 1: So my my personal favorite is actually one of the
Speaker 1: guys who I one of the first guys I watched
Speaker 1: when starting this evaluations, and that was Vernon Butler. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting he was, like I said, he was one
Speaker 1: of the first I watched, and I've I've yet to
Speaker 1: find someone who actually does the job better. I just
Speaker 1: think he's extremely strong. I mean his ability to just
Speaker 1: handle double not just handle double teams, but actually dominate
Speaker 1: against them as well. He can push double teams back
Speaker 1: into the backfield. He can make an impact on passing downs,
Speaker 1: get knacks, balls down and stuff like that. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: extremely athletic, and I think this week he could really
Speaker 1: really put on a show in the Combine's he's gonna
Speaker 1: be He's gonna show himself. He one of the most
Speaker 1: explosive athletes in this entire clan. He's going to take
Speaker 1: our job. Brothers. Butler's a really good player. He spot on.
Speaker 1: There you go. Justin Bierley wants to know. And this
Speaker 1: might take a little thought, you guys, maybe you could
Speaker 1: come up this together. What do you think it would
Speaker 1: be most likely the top five picks? Something you're willing
Speaker 1: to bet on the first five picks of the draft
Speaker 1: start with number one. I think I think that's one
Speaker 1: I'd be. I think Ramsey's gonna be number one by
Speaker 1: the end, and I could yeah, I mean that if
Speaker 1: you're if and if the Titans stay at number one,
Speaker 1: I think those are the two guys that you know,
Speaker 1: we're looking at it at number one, Tonsil or Randy,
Speaker 1: depending on which structure they want to go. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: just say for sake, two to one, we'll go. We'll
Speaker 1: go Tounsil. Number one second pick belongs to the Browns.
Speaker 1: The Browns and you assume they go quarterback. You know
Speaker 1: who knows that they actually love one of these quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: But for sake of the argument, was Hugh Jackson telling
Speaker 1: the truth today. When Hugh Jackson said that hand size
Speaker 1: is really important to him, it is because the rumor
Speaker 1: is Jed said, let's be fair, we don't know Jerry
Speaker 1: Goss hand size yet. I sent the rumor. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a tiny head man. We will find out tomorrow what
Speaker 1: the hand size in it. Really the threshold is nine
Speaker 1: in a quarter. Yeah, he's had a chance to come
Speaker 1: over on my Lynch bandwagon. If you want well, no,
Speaker 1: I want a quarterback that's really good. Okay, I want
Speaker 1: a good quarterback. If if golf can hit that that benchmark,
Speaker 1: then you know he's going to be in that conversation
Speaker 1: to be the number two pick. I'll say golf as
Speaker 1: a pickup. Okay, we'll say golf it to you. You're
Speaker 1: okay with golf it too? Well. Again, I just think
Speaker 1: that small hand to quart buck, I actually honestly think
Speaker 1: that it could be packs the Lynch at number two.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. And I mean his stock is all over
Speaker 1: the place, So you could go as high as number
Speaker 1: two or as low as the second round in this guy,
Speaker 1: Packton Lynch. Three to five years from now, he could
Speaker 1: be the best quarterback from the class. It would not
Speaker 1: surprise me at all. Once he learns to play quarterback,
Speaker 1: he's just he's so young in quarterback years. He needs time,
Speaker 1: he needs reps and he checks boxes. Let's let's say,
Speaker 1: let's go golf. Let's go let's go golf. Okay, number
Speaker 1: three Ramsey. I like Buckner there three four right, San
Speaker 1: Diego defensive line, But Ramsey could be Ramsey. They need
Speaker 1: impact guy, especially with Wettle Uh it sounds like he's
Speaker 1: leaving San Diego. They need a new impact guy in
Speaker 1: the secondary. It could be Ramsey at three Ramsey but Ramsey.
Speaker 1: Basically they just need an influx of talent onto that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter where actual Yes, so I think that, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do this. I'll do this for you. Then I'll
Speaker 1: do this. They take Buttner at three. All right, now
Speaker 1: you got the board to Dallas bos Bosa, Ramsey, Jack, Jack,
Speaker 1: you know you've got the board. Yeah, you got the board.
Speaker 1: What do you think? What do I think they would
Speaker 1: do or what would know? What do you think that
Speaker 1: they're gonna do that? I think they would probably go Bosa.
Speaker 1: That would be my first guest because it's a it's
Speaker 1: an impact player at Out of those three, probably the
Speaker 1: most valuable position and they have a need there. Right.
Speaker 1: If I knew that the Cowboys are going to transition
Speaker 1: to cover three next year, I draft Jalen Ramsey making
Speaker 1: the corner back, and I think the Cowboys would also.
Speaker 1: But it's like the woman, because it's like the one
Speaker 1: scheme that they didn't really play last year. So all
Speaker 1: I would be tempted to say, it's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: boaster in that case. Okay, if they play that single
Speaker 1: high stuff, which they like to do, though, we're comfortable
Speaker 1: playing Ramsey down, yeah, and playing and they're gonna play
Speaker 1: Let's let's be honest, they're gonna play Byron Jones at
Speaker 1: say safety, he ain't playing corner anymore. It's gonna play safety.
Speaker 1: We're all okay with Ramsey playing down and being that guy, right, oh,
Speaker 1: absolutely right, as a hitter, as a physical football player,
Speaker 1: as a cover guy, all of it, yeah, putting him in,
Speaker 1: putting him down in the box, and asking him to
Speaker 1: cover different guys play the rock. Okay, all of that.
Speaker 1: We all, we all love Ramsey here, but okay, now
Speaker 1: making an argument for Bosa. It's a defensive end. He's
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. I don't understand how people don't like
Speaker 1: his tape. I think it's dominant. I think he's constantly
Speaker 1: doubled and triple teamed. He's not He's not that von
Speaker 1: Miller is gonna scream off the edge. He's not Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: where it's just you know, the lower body explosion is ideal.
Speaker 1: But he's so his hands, his leverage, his understanding of
Speaker 1: how to beat the blocker in front of him. Um
Speaker 1: and Taylor Decker mentioned it today. Yea. He was asked
Speaker 1: the question, who's the top defensive lineman you faced? He
Speaker 1: mentioned Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa and he made good
Speaker 1: teammate right there. Yeah. He mentioned about Bosa that you know,
Speaker 1: if you have a weakness or if you make a mistake,
Speaker 1: he's going to find it. You're to expose you. And
Speaker 1: so to me, I think that's why Bosa he's one
Speaker 1: of the top four players in this draft. He's there
Speaker 1: at four. I like to pick your is your buddy
Speaker 1: here speaking the truth? Yeah? I think so. I think
Speaker 1: Bosa is the best defensive end in this class just
Speaker 1: purely because he's the only guy in this class who
Speaker 1: generates consistent pressure. Ye is it? I mean, no, spense
Speaker 1: can get no sprints, wol can. We'll generate pressure when
Speaker 1: we would get sacks. But if someone gets the hand,
Speaker 1: if an offensive tackle gets their hands on him in
Speaker 1: the first three steps and the play is pretty much over,
Speaker 1: we're sleeping on my guys. Shack Lawson, Is that what's
Speaker 1: happening here? Well, Shack Lawson is good as well, but
Speaker 1: the fact is he's Yeah. But but Joey Bosa, I
Speaker 1: mean when I say consistent pressure, I mean that boast
Speaker 1: will get other people's sacks as well. Right, So okay,
Speaker 1: let me I think that he just painted a perfect
Speaker 1: picture of why I don't care about the sack number.
Speaker 1: I care about pressure and disruption. That's what Bosa brings.
Speaker 1: I don't care if he has four sacks or ten.
Speaker 1: It's about the pressure that he'll consistently bring. I think.
Speaker 1: I think that's the best point about Bosa too, because
Speaker 1: I've been saying the same thing about him begin a
Speaker 1: week out that I don't think he's the ten sack guy,
Speaker 1: but he's constantly separated. But if the pressure, if the
Speaker 1: pressure doesn't happen, if the pressure doesn't happen with him,
Speaker 1: are we going to look at him in a different light. Well, sure,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't do his job, then you know it's
Speaker 1: but you can tell about anybody. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: going to be the case, even as a rookie. I
Speaker 1: think he'll pay immediate dividend. Okay. Final final pick? Who
Speaker 1: do you got? Number five? Is the Jagua is No? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not known for the Cowboys screwed the Jaguars. WHOA.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that because we're a all
Speaker 1: service show. On this board, we've gone. I just told
Speaker 1: Golf no, no, no, I just want to know who
Speaker 1: the Cowboys Cowboys. Sorry about the Jacks. I would pick Ramsey.
Speaker 1: I think they picked Bosa. Okay, Jeff, I would pick Ramsey.
Speaker 1: I think they would pick Bosa, Bosa, Bosa all the
Speaker 1: way or Jack, you know what. I personally like Jack,
Speaker 1: and then I would pick Jack Ramsey. Then Bosa would
Speaker 1: be my three. I don't hate Bosa. I think that.
Speaker 1: I think you guys make interesting arguments. I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't have a I understand. I am not killing
Speaker 1: him like you guys think I am. Like I'm killing
Speaker 1: Golf too, I'm never killing him. I think that Greg
Speaker 1: gillis comparison kind of a lot of fans. I think
Speaker 1: Greg Gallis, they think, oh no, at four, I don't.
Speaker 1: He was a good player. He was a good player,
Speaker 1: played the run, am I right, played the run, got
Speaker 1: its occasional sack. He didn't put consistent pressure on the
Speaker 1: pocket like I think Bosa. I think you're overrating that
Speaker 1: with him, by the way, I think we all, I
Speaker 1: think we will see boasts are in the same way.
Speaker 1: It's just the fact that oh it's just no. But
Speaker 1: it's just a fact. You say, you say eight to
Speaker 1: the guy right now, but you say eight to eight
Speaker 1: to ten guy, and it's almost like a bad thing.
Speaker 1: But six to eight, six to eight is what I said.
Speaker 1: That's Greg Ellis, six to eight. Okay, what about what
Speaker 1: about Zeke? Is he somebody we got? Yes, you would
Speaker 1: take him over both of there, Yes, okay, Well you
Speaker 1: didn't mention him, so yeah, I mean I would. But
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of but they won't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know me, I'm not going to take anybody they
Speaker 1: want consider treadwell there you have to yea Tounsil? Who else?
Speaker 1: Anybody else? If he was there? Not? I mean, I
Speaker 1: love Tonsil's best player. In this draft. But your offensive
Speaker 1: line's already great, why you why not address another position
Speaker 1: that needs Oh I'm just trying to stir it up here, Dane,
Speaker 1: because you go from great to the best ever, you
Speaker 1: don't need the best. Why don't you want to be
Speaker 1: the best ever? Darren mcfan just ran for a thousand yards?
Speaker 1: Does he want fifteen d And that's why I'm not
Speaker 1: taking Zeke because I can take any running back. Okay
Speaker 1: about this? Rick Miller wants to know, will you compare
Speaker 1: Bosa to what can you do that they're different players?
Speaker 1: Not to mention watch two inches bigger, twenty pounds, heavier,
Speaker 1: stronger by nature of his size. Sure, I mean that's
Speaker 1: they're just they're better overall from body by nature of
Speaker 1: his size. They're they're different players, right, you want me
Speaker 1: to go on, Well, and that's why, sure, I'm not
Speaker 1: killing him. I'm not. No, I'm making you guys think, Oh,
Speaker 1: if we compare the post, then yeah, boast Of will
Speaker 1: sound like he's as an average NFL player. But that's
Speaker 1: why he shouldn't be compared to guys like J. J.
Speaker 1: Watt oh Keith, says. Jalen Ramsey adds more versatilities defense
Speaker 1: than Bosa. Is that true or false? If you want
Speaker 1: to key in on versatility, then sure, because Ramsey can play.
Speaker 1: He could you put him a linebacker if you wanted to.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he could play anywhere you want in
Speaker 1: the back seven. I don't care where you want to
Speaker 1: put him. He can play all those positions. So Miles
Speaker 1: jacket all those positions. Sure. Yeah, So if you want
Speaker 1: to talk about just versatility, then sure. But I'd also
Speaker 1: argue that you can talk about the secondary all you want.
Speaker 1: The pass rush will impact the secondary in a big way.
Speaker 1: I don't care how good you were as a corner.
Speaker 1: You can't cover for six to seven seconds. Where if
Speaker 1: my defensive in can get pressure, then my corners I
Speaker 1: can live with some soci corners out there. So I
Speaker 1: give me pressure. Give me guys, I get to the quarterback. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take one more question here and then we
Speaker 1: got to take a break. Uh let's see here, Oh, GT. Baker,
Speaker 1: I'd be George T. Baker, Dear Brian, would you take Bosa?
Speaker 1: Would you take him? In sixty seven? I might hand
Speaker 1: the card in then I don't know, now I I
Speaker 1: these guys are absolutely right. I'm not. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: just having fun with him. Not really, Okay, at the
Speaker 1: draft show, with the need of defensive players, do you
Speaker 1: see the Cowboys trading down to get extra picks for
Speaker 1: a defensive end, a defensive tackle due to the depth
Speaker 1: at that defensive line position. If you're going down, aren't
Speaker 1: how far? To me, it's probably not good business to
Speaker 1: trade away from the guys that you think are special players.
Speaker 1: If you group, thank you for listening what happened I
Speaker 1: said that. See, I'm glad you listened to this. Okay,
Speaker 1: You're welcome tune in all the time. Yeah, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get away from now for me, that
Speaker 1: includes a couple of different guys though, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to get away from a group that includes Ramsey
Speaker 1: jack Um posts at the end of it, I'm between
Speaker 1: Yeah and Zeke, Like, I can't go on right now.
Speaker 1: That time we're allowed to disagree. Absolutely, Eventually we'll look
Speaker 1: back and somebody will get to say, really, it'll be
Speaker 1: Dane hosting the Draft show and I'll be bagging groceries somewhere.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't want to
Speaker 1: get away from that group. Although a part of me
Speaker 1: does look at it, look at at it, and it's like,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna take Bosa at four and I could
Speaker 1: go down to nine and take Shack Lawson and have
Speaker 1: what can I get for that? I get an extra two? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Lawson in the two than Joey Bosa
Speaker 1: and that that is obviously a big part of this
Speaker 1: scenario is what are we getting back? You know, is
Speaker 1: it worth our while? And tradey back doesn't always is
Speaker 1: not always the best way to go. Danny, Can I
Speaker 1: interest you in something? Can I get you? Can I
Speaker 1: get you to pick at four and come back to
Speaker 1: the draft at twenty? Can I get you to come
Speaker 1: back into twenty and give me I talked to I
Speaker 1: talked to Mike mccagnan, the general manager for the Jets,
Speaker 1: and he's interested, He's very interested in and it's somebody
Speaker 1: he Mike wants. He wants picks, he wants picks. And
Speaker 1: Michael told me he thinks he's at the very end
Speaker 1: of maybe the first round run. We talk about those
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty names that people have on their board.
Speaker 1: Not everybody has thirty two first round grades. We all
Speaker 1: have somewhere between fifteen eighteen names, and Mike thinks he's
Speaker 1: at the very end. Can I get you to give
Speaker 1: up your two and your four to come back up
Speaker 1: in the distract at twenty? I think Cowboys fans massively overright.
Speaker 1: How many needs the Cowboys have this offseason? So honestly,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. It's the fact even if they traded down
Speaker 1: in the first round, I'm only I'm only trading down
Speaker 1: to get more picks. I can trade up later, and
Speaker 1: honestly I would take that deal. Because this could be
Speaker 1: controversial here, but the Texans pick, Oh, go ahead, we
Speaker 1: do it all the time on this show. Texans pick
Speaker 1: at twenty two. If you if you take a defensive
Speaker 1: player at four, then to me, Christian Hackenberg is the
Speaker 1: last potential franchise quarterback in this class, and I think
Speaker 1: you have to get the Texans to be able to
Speaker 1: get him. Or if Paxton Lynch falls that far, or
Speaker 1: if one of your first round as far as that
Speaker 1: fast I say, Zeke falls that far, you can get
Speaker 1: a franchise change of that, whereas I don't. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that you can get the same at thirty four.
Speaker 1: So I would. I would one hundred percent be interested
Speaker 1: in trading up. Can I get you to trade back
Speaker 1: in for two and a four? It depends on who
Speaker 1: we're trading up for. If we're treading back up for Zeke, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. If we're treading back up for a Lynch, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'd do that too. What if he was
Speaker 1: going after What if he was going after he's trying
Speaker 1: to get to pull up Carolina here and go back
Speaker 1: to back defensive ends? What if you draft both said
Speaker 1: four and then maybe you're going back in for Losson
Speaker 1: Would you go back in for another defensive lineman? Well?
Speaker 1: Why do you do? Why do you do that when
Speaker 1: you have Lawrence? Yeah? You I don't think you need
Speaker 1: to do though. Okay, I'm just trying to say, maybe
Speaker 1: you know the little you know you're not going to
Speaker 1: bring back hard Let's be honest here, I said, we
Speaker 1: gotta stack these up like club sandwiches. Yeah, stack up
Speaker 1: all that, you know. I'm just trying to make you
Speaker 1: think about something, because you're thinking about going back in
Speaker 1: for you know, a quarterback. You're thinking about going in
Speaker 1: for a runner. If you're treating up like that, you
Speaker 1: want an impact player, And I think there's going to
Speaker 1: be some guy. There's always a player that falls, whether
Speaker 1: you know it could be a quarterback like a Paxson Lynch.
Speaker 1: If Zeke does slip to twenty, I'm doing I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take Zeke at four, but at twenty
Speaker 1: I would. I would use my second in my fourth
Speaker 1: to go up and get what if what if Treadwell
Speaker 1: is a slider and yes, yes, yes, go get to it. Go.
Speaker 1: Maybe my loss and idea is a bad even though
Speaker 1: I like the second and third round receivers. He's trying
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Speaker 1: clock here from the twenty sixteen NFL combine from the
Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium here in Indianapolis, Indiana. Looks like the
Speaker 1: darkness has set in. I don't see it snowing it
Speaker 1: was earlier, but we'll sure enough be out there in it.
Speaker 1: Here in a little bit. Brian Bross joined here by
Speaker 1: Dane Bruegler, by Jeff Kavanaugh, and by Dan Turner. We're
Speaker 1: arguing all things NFL Draft, discussing all things NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: and try not to hurt me NFL Draft at this
Speaker 1: point in time. Hey guys, there were a couple of
Speaker 1: late questions that popped in that I just want to
Speaker 1: make sure that we maybe get a hold of and
Speaker 1: just just to kind of spur the conversation on a
Speaker 1: little bit further. And I appreciate these guys and in
Speaker 1: so I'll continue on a little bit. Maurice Kimbro wants
Speaker 1: to do you think Ellie will make make the biggest
Speaker 1: impact in this draft? Well, he make the biggest impact,
Speaker 1: you know, I get I get that question a lot
Speaker 1: from a lot of fantasy football uh fans, you know,
Speaker 1: and about quarterbacks and these receivers, and so much depends
Speaker 1: on fit, so much depends on where he ends up,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know how he's going to be used,
Speaker 1: you know. But Zeke is scheme versatile. I mean he
Speaker 1: transcends scheme. He can fit whatever your your offense wants
Speaker 1: to do. Um, So I think he'd be an if
Speaker 1: you want to tell me that Ze's going to be
Speaker 1: the most productive player from this draft. I won't argue
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, because Zeke's probably the best player from
Speaker 1: this draft class just in something because it's the ringing
Speaker 1: back position has got someone agrees with me. You can
Speaker 1: make an argument certainly he's that good. I mean, the
Speaker 1: fact is I didn't think he's even that fall Baha.
Speaker 1: Talk Girley was last year, and I would say, talk
Speaker 1: Girley than he used to have the third third running
Speaker 1: back from the Yeah, but you better be careful that guy.
Speaker 1: You're right right there. Might slap you for saying if
Speaker 1: he's better than Gurley, that's okay. Nobody nobody's gonna say that. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think if anybody said it, yes, I would,
Speaker 1: but no one's gonna say that. They'd be crazy. Dog,
Speaker 1: I got you, Okay, maybe maybe more complete And I
Speaker 1: think Gurley can catch and block too, but Zeke may
Speaker 1: hold the edge in other categories. He's not a better runner.
Speaker 1: Don't have the durability question either one. Yeah, Yeah, Eddie
Speaker 1: h wants to know who was his interview? Yeah, who
Speaker 1: will have the better career Bosa or Ramsey. I'll bet
Speaker 1: on Ramsey. It's it's tough. I mean, I like, we
Speaker 1: like both these guys. I mean we're splitting you know,
Speaker 1: which impact player is gonna be really good? Right all
Speaker 1: of them? Which impact player is going to make an impact?
Speaker 1: You know it's I mean, I've got MS Ramsey's three
Speaker 1: on my board, Boss four on my board. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you know it. We're splitting hairs. Ramsey has more upside
Speaker 1: in my opinion, so I think I don't think he's
Speaker 1: also quite a lot need to actually hit that side.
Speaker 1: It's just that boast I'd just say him is to
Speaker 1: say fit, We're gonna invite you back for making points
Speaker 1: like that that Bosa has. I don't want to say
Speaker 1: hit a ceiling. But it seems like he's more advanced
Speaker 1: than most college football players. Like he's winning with technique,
Speaker 1: he's winning with him, he's winning with all these things.
Speaker 1: And is he what he is? And are a lot
Speaker 1: of other guys do? They have more room to grow?
Speaker 1: And I'm surprised when people use it as a negative
Speaker 1: because he's more of a sure thing. He's more of
Speaker 1: a you know, because a lot of these guys with upside,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's more of a sure thing that
Speaker 1: Zeke is though, No, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: definitely agree there. But you know, we talk so much
Speaker 1: about potential and upside with these guys, it's it's unrealized
Speaker 1: potential at this point because they haven't reached that and
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee they will. But with bos So, you
Speaker 1: have a better idea of who he is. You know,
Speaker 1: there's more puzzle pieces put together with him as a prospect.
Speaker 1: Sebastian wants to know guys who are some possible later
Speaker 1: round defensive gems. Is there anybody you got on that
Speaker 1: third day that you're you know you want to You're
Speaker 1: gonna bang your shoe on the table and try and
Speaker 1: get everybody's attention there. There's always ran some of the
Speaker 1: place around them. I think if a guy like Xavian Howard,
Speaker 1: you know, slips a little bit, oh, I like him,
Speaker 1: would love to get a get my hands on him
Speaker 1: as a player. Uh, put him at corner. Um, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you a sleeper that I really like at a
Speaker 1: North Carolina Central Ryan Smith. Uh, he's a player the corner, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the corner. We'll see him here this week. That's a
Speaker 1: fluid moving dude. Yeah, and he's also a big time
Speaker 1: return man. So we'll we'll see him how he performs.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know about him, but I
Speaker 1: think he'll gain a little bit of steam here. Um,
Speaker 1: who else you got? Who do you got? Danny? My
Speaker 1: favorite Day three guys probably Eric Murray from Minnesota. You
Speaker 1: guys saw him at the Senior Bowl in the mouth.
Speaker 1: To me, he's really physical, press bale corner if you
Speaker 1: run a cover. If Seattle took him, I'm sure he'd
Speaker 1: become a starter within two years. There's actually quite a
Speaker 1: few cornerbacks like that who Seattle will just love because
Speaker 1: of that. But oh, they love all these tall, these
Speaker 1: six six oh one two guys, every one of those
Speaker 1: six one guys six They love those guys. What kind
Speaker 1: of great did you give Murray? I gave him a
Speaker 1: early third round, right right, that's I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: fall down to day. I gave him a late third,
Speaker 1: early fourth. So we're close. Can I throw out a
Speaker 1: random name and you guys tell me what you thought
Speaker 1: or what you've seen from him, because everybody talks about
Speaker 1: the guy who put up all the numbers at OEU.
Speaker 1: Eric Striker. Right, I watched the guy on the other side,
Speaker 1: Bond DeVante right, and I thought he had some pretty
Speaker 1: darn good tape like that was a guy that showed
Speaker 1: the ability to cover some He made people this on
Speaker 1: the move as an outside linebacker. I thought there was
Speaker 1: something there. Yeah, I think you're right. He did get
Speaker 1: overlooked quite a bit. But he can play and I
Speaker 1: think he'll have a good combine. And yeah, especially with Striker.
Speaker 1: I don't know where were you playing Striker. I put
Speaker 1: Bond in front of Striker. That's why I'm asking the question.
Speaker 1: I think I think Bond I would rather have on
Speaker 1: my NFL team than his teammate who got all the headlines.
Speaker 1: I agree. I have a better feel for what Bond
Speaker 1: can be in the NFL than I do for Striker.
Speaker 1: Ayby forgetting about our boy Brown from Akron John Davis Brown,
Speaker 1: He's don't know where to play him, but he's gonna,
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna be the special teams captain and
Speaker 1: what a big nickel linebacker. Don't know, but the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have quite a few expiring free agents this this this offseason.
Speaker 1: Who actually the best special teams players? So, for example,
Speaker 1: James Hannah's worn right I'm still trying to replace the
Speaker 1: one they lost it last year. And you know, Kyle Wilbur,
Speaker 1: Danny McCray, I think is out of contracts. So if
Speaker 1: they lose any of these guys, and you do have
Speaker 1: to be able to get some of these special teams players,
Speaker 1: and then so so Tavis Brown, I mean I think
Speaker 1: he's well, you get you get a situation too where
Speaker 1: just hearing that maybe they get a fourth round selection
Speaker 1: compensatory in three sixth round compensatory. So you're right, game,
Speaker 1: you do some damage. When do you guys think some
Speaker 1: of the small school pass rushers will go like a
Speaker 1: how about app State? Ronald Blair doesn't go in the
Speaker 1: top fifty, I'll come back on here and now on
Speaker 1: my shoe. Yeah, that dude's good. Wouldn't he be nice
Speaker 1: to get in the third round? You did? Have you
Speaker 1: seen him? Have you have you seen the man from
Speaker 1: app State? Yeah? Blair? I actually watched them because I'm
Speaker 1: Dane wrote an article before the Shrine game saying he's
Speaker 1: saying he thinks he might be the best player there.
Speaker 1: And I watched player after that and he was absolutely
Speaker 1: how about you doing that to me? I was absolutely
Speaker 1: bemused that he'd even got a shrine He's going to
Speaker 1: the Shrine game instead of the Eni Bowl because I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy can play, he's got He actually reminds me
Speaker 1: a little bit of de Marcus Lawrence, just in the
Speaker 1: fact that he's quite short, quite stocky, but he has length, yeah,
Speaker 1: powerful heavy hands. He can can capture the edge as well.
Speaker 1: So so to me, yeah, it's very similar. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's quite as advanced as the Marcus Lawrence was,
Speaker 1: but it's similar sort of player. How about Brothers Missouri?
Speaker 1: Mike him insideline with another short guy, but he makes
Speaker 1: a million plays battle. He is slow, He's not going
Speaker 1: to run a good time here, but he how does
Speaker 1: he play so fast? He processes everything, he knows what's
Speaker 1: happening for the offense does so he's able to beat
Speaker 1: blockers to the spot. The way he sees the field
Speaker 1: and then processes it is outstanding. So there's a place
Speaker 1: in the NFL for him. He's one of the top
Speaker 1: sixty players in this where when we were watching him,
Speaker 1: I think what they had the list of forty, like
Speaker 1: at four or seven something or four playing first? That yeah,
Speaker 1: right to me, Brothers is basically the same as Paul
Speaker 1: Dawson was last year to me, just but the big
Speaker 1: difference is that Brothers actually placed like he has some
Speaker 1: like you actually understand these limitations. Paul Dawson was a
Speaker 1: was an an athletic guy who used to try and
Speaker 1: you couldn't do. Yeah, pencrup brothers actually actually understand this
Speaker 1: game better than anyone. So if you don't want to
Speaker 1: hear my Pard Dawson story, they have a file on
Speaker 1: me at CBS Sports, And so if I do it,
Speaker 1: if can I do it and have a folder with
Speaker 1: the cowboy. No, you don't just say what I said
Speaker 1: about Paul Dawson on Love PAULA, Okay, we've got to
Speaker 1: We got a little bit of time here. Let's see,
Speaker 1: we got about ten minutes ago, and there's some more
Speaker 1: conversation about maybe what we might expect tomorrow from these
Speaker 1: offensive line, from the running backs, that kind of you
Speaker 1: know what we'll see on the field. Is there anybody
Speaker 1: you think is gonna look great? And you know who
Speaker 1: will be that guy that all a sudden out It's
Speaker 1: like we're not really talking about him, but now we're
Speaker 1: talking about at I mean, everybody's nee jerk how about
Speaker 1: how about a guy that I think it was Dane
Speaker 1: that was asking him the question. We were talking to
Speaker 1: Tyler Irvin, the San Jose State running back, and Dane
Speaker 1: asked him, what are you going to run the forty in?
Speaker 1: And he said four twos? He said the goal was
Speaker 1: the four twos. And we watched him and he was
Speaker 1: a little guy listening in the one seventies. But he
Speaker 1: said he wasn't in Auburn game. He said he was
Speaker 1: playing in the one nineties. He said, yeah, he said
Speaker 1: they weighed him in the spring, but when they actually
Speaker 1: were playing football, he's in the one nineties, and boy,
Speaker 1: he looked pretty good. I didn't see. I didn't think
Speaker 1: he was bad during the Senior Bowl. No, I mean
Speaker 1: I thought that was But you watched that Auburn game
Speaker 1: and you're he's number seven at San Jose, So I mean,
Speaker 1: you swear you're watching that kid at LSU running the
Speaker 1: football sometime when he was getting solved. Who you got? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: first off, you know I have to point out that
Speaker 1: Davante Booker, Jonathan Williams, Jordan Howard. You know these guys
Speaker 1: won't be working out Unfortunately. I was really looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing them with the injury questions, but uh, I
Speaker 1: want to see ze I want to see what he does.
Speaker 1: I want to see I want to see him in
Speaker 1: action and how how fast can he run? Um some
Speaker 1: of these offensive linemen. I think Jack Conklin for as
Speaker 1: much as we talked about as I was going to say, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't come up with the O guy for as
Speaker 1: maybe more more power than quickness. I think he's going
Speaker 1: to perform really well. So does he not? Yea, not
Speaker 1: only in the forty I mean I think he'll be
Speaker 1: right around five five flat, but the agility drolls as well,
Speaker 1: So I think Conklind could help himself. The guy who
Speaker 1: I mean like say, I was going to say Conklin,
Speaker 1: so thanks for that. But another guy who I'm quite
Speaker 1: interested in his Train Madden from USC. Now. He's had
Speaker 1: absolutely no publicity at all so far, and he's he's
Speaker 1: good because he's barely played at all at USC. You
Speaker 1: got had any snaps at all. They had, they had
Speaker 1: good players behind him, they had Gavoria s Allen last year.
Speaker 1: But to me, this is a guy who I feel
Speaker 1: exactly the same way about Train Madden this year as
Speaker 1: I did about Carlos Williams last year, like almost exactly
Speaker 1: having the same grade on them. The reports are gonna
Speaker 1: be the same way, and Carlos Williams has had a
Speaker 1: really good rookie rookie year. And I think you can
Speaker 1: turn athletes into running backs more than any other position.
Speaker 1: And to me, Trey Madden is he is actually an athlete.
Speaker 1: So I think we might see that tomorrow in the
Speaker 1: running backs. And another guy who I'm quite intrigued by
Speaker 1: as well is Joe Haig from North Dakota State. No.
Speaker 1: To me, he's the best reach blocker in this entire
Speaker 1: class's ability. He just got front side of guys in
Speaker 1: his own running and so I think he could run
Speaker 1: quite a decent three cone time. He'll probably have a
Speaker 1: decent ten yards split in the fourties. So interested about
Speaker 1: him as well. And unfortunately we're not going to see
Speaker 1: Madden because he's not working out because he had he
Speaker 1: had a knee and really that's that's the that's the
Speaker 1: bottom line with Trey Madden. As he can't stay healthy.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to get a reject grade from
Speaker 1: a lot of these teams because the medicals are just
Speaker 1: going to come back so bad and it's unfortunate because
Speaker 1: he's a really talented player. He played some linebacker at USC.
Speaker 1: It was a really good running back. So yeah, really
Speaker 1: unfortunate for him because he is a good player who
Speaker 1: helps himself the most. Tomorrow, guys, those we're talking like
Speaker 1: the second third round guys, of the running backs, of
Speaker 1: the of the offensive lineman. Maybe there's you know, the
Speaker 1: USC center somebody. I mean, this is a pretty solid ground.
Speaker 1: He's not working either, He's not ready. Okay, So I'm
Speaker 1: just saying though the guys, and I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 1: there's an impressive group of centers and stuff in this drafting.
Speaker 1: The running back group is really interesting because I don't
Speaker 1: know if everybody feels the same way, but to me,
Speaker 1: there is sort of a jumble or a group of guys. Guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if Paul Perkins comes out here and smokes
Speaker 1: everybody in the forty and looks great catching the ball, Yeah,
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, is he in front of
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that you have listed certain fictions.
Speaker 1: A guy I moved up into the second round after
Speaker 1: some Senior Bowl stuff that I've seen on him. I
Speaker 1: want to see Collins impressed me because I when I
Speaker 1: watch him on tape, I see a guy that's going
Speaker 1: to get what's blocked for him. He is a reliable
Speaker 1: guy and there's a place in the NFL for I
Speaker 1: want to see him impressed me though in the agility drills,
Speaker 1: and you know, I want to see I want to
Speaker 1: see him pop off the film when we watch and
Speaker 1: watch his combine stuff. So I think for me, Alex Collins,
Speaker 1: I want to see what he does during the agiliy drills.
Speaker 1: Keep your wrong on Kelvin Taylor, because to me, Taylor
Speaker 1: isn't actually Taylor isn't You have to tell a story
Speaker 1: about Taylor. Yeah, Taylor won't be a top ten running
Speaker 1: back in this class just because he's purely a zone
Speaker 1: blocking runner. But the fact is, for the Cowboys, he
Speaker 1: may even be a top five running back on their
Speaker 1: board just because he is such a perfect fit as
Speaker 1: a one cut and goes outside zone runner. He can
Speaker 1: has a speed to be able to get to the edge.
Speaker 1: He can, he makes good reads, and so to me,
Speaker 1: I think he could. He's in that sort of probably
Speaker 1: third echel running backs, maybe third to fourth round, maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit later than that. So he's He's probably
Speaker 1: the guy who I have my eye on at the
Speaker 1: top of the fourth round. Who's the most overrated running back? Yeah,
Speaker 1: one guy that everybody's talking about. Everybody's Burson about. But
Speaker 1: there's there's one guy you're like, you're hoping that somebody
Speaker 1: else takes him. Mine's Derrick Henry. But okay, if it
Speaker 1: came to Dallas, I think you'd be really good. So
Speaker 1: we take Derrick Henry off, then who do the else
Speaker 1: you got? Mine is the Vonte Booker because I think
Speaker 1: that he has he has a really good film, which
Speaker 1: I like. But to me, with running back, it isn't
Speaker 1: just about the film the running backs. It's the fact
Speaker 1: that he's had a huge workload. He's gonna be twenty
Speaker 1: four years old during the season. Now wait a minute,
Speaker 1: now you get what's what you say about age? Because
Speaker 1: I gave a high five to a guy when I
Speaker 1: came into the airport yesterday. A man, Terrence Newman, was
Speaker 1: on an escalator going the other way and he saw
Speaker 1: me and he and we Vante Booker was thirty six
Speaker 1: years old playing against sixteen years No, no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: let me tell you this though. They said the same thing,
Speaker 1: if you always remembered they said the same thing before
Speaker 1: that Terrence was drafted. He's an older guy. He's the
Speaker 1: one guy still playing like this is running back though.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just talking about when you say that
Speaker 1: about go ahead, and he's actually a strong correlation. I
Speaker 1: can't remember you are right, You're I'm just telling you
Speaker 1: about old every time you say something about an older
Speaker 1: guy coming in. He plays for like twelve to thirteen years.
Speaker 1: And Booker doesn't avoid contact. I mean that, you know
Speaker 1: that's he likes to be a pinball where he's gonna
Speaker 1: bounce off guys. So durability's definitely something you said. Exactly
Speaker 1: did he make Did he make a point about this though? He?
Speaker 1: I mean, did you know? Sure? Oh? Sure, you know
Speaker 1: with all these running backs, you have to you have
Speaker 1: to one about that some guys are are better at
Speaker 1: taking contact than others. And you know, Booker, he's a
Speaker 1: competitive runner. I and love what you see on film, um,
Speaker 1: but you do have to worry a little bit about
Speaker 1: his workload and and the durability that comes with it.
Speaker 1: So it does factor into the equation. But I think
Speaker 1: these running backs, besides Elliott, I like a lot of them.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't love any of these guys. I
Speaker 1: don't hate any of them either, right, you know they're
Speaker 1: all kind of clumped together in that second to fourth
Speaker 1: round range. But uh, you know we mentioned Kelvin Taylor,
Speaker 1: and my favorite Kelvin Taylor. Stat he's the only running
Speaker 1: back in this group that has not fumbled in his career.
Speaker 1: He's also the only running back. He's also the only
Speaker 1: running back I watched that nobody blocks for. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. That kid in Illinois ferguson him fair enough. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I get any love for Procise? Yeah? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: he's uh, he says he's one hundred percent now, which
Speaker 1: is great because he missed basically the last five game
Speaker 1: and the er name season. He's gonna do what the forty,
Speaker 1: the broad and the vert here. He's not going to
Speaker 1: do anything else until it's pro Day. But pro Stas
Speaker 1: is the top five running back from me. I'm really
Speaker 1: I hate when people say, well, he's only going to
Speaker 1: get better, because I hate it's over cliche. But I
Speaker 1: really think pro Sis is going to get better and better.
Speaker 1: Hate when people say that. I hate it because he's
Speaker 1: so young at the running back position. You know once
Speaker 1: he gets those instincts, are going to develop as an
Speaker 1: inside runner, and I think he'll really improve once he
Speaker 1: gets more red. Really impressive tape for a guy who
Speaker 1: was it a couple of weeks before the season. Stag
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, welcome to running back. That's impressive tape.
Speaker 1: But I just talked about turning athletes into running backs,
Speaker 1: and that's just exactly what you're gonna do with c J. Prosis.
Speaker 1: That's very little wear and tear. He already understands the game,
Speaker 1: and I think that's that's with these guys who have
Speaker 1: just changed. As long as they as long as you
Speaker 1: have a general understanding, if they make the right reads,
Speaker 1: they read their keys, they read their blocking, then in
Speaker 1: general you can turn these athletes into pretty good football players.
Speaker 1: So I agree with on Procise. That's interesting. How about
Speaker 1: a little love for our rambler at Texas A and
Speaker 1: m huh, I'm with you on the Ramy Carson. How
Speaker 1: about Grey Carson. Unfortunately he's not work. He's got that
Speaker 1: he's banged up. A lot of banged up guys got
Speaker 1: to run full seven anyway. Yeah, okay, with the shots fired,
Speaker 1: all right, Well that's all the time that we have
Speaker 1: for the Draft show. Thanks so much for joining us.
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Speaker 1: Thanks to my guys here hanging out. Appreciate Danny, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Look forward to have you on more this week. Jeff Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: I'm debating whether to put you back on or not,
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Speaker 1: I have mad love for you as a draft all right.
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