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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show is on the air from the from

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Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium here, the site of the two thousand

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Speaker 1: and sixteen NFL Combine. I'm Brian brought us along with

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, CBS Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Jeff

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Speaker 1: Kabanov one oh five three The Fan, my scouting buddy

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Speaker 1: during the week and rival on the weekends when we

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Speaker 1: argue about these players. And Kevin Turner also from one

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Speaker 1: oh five three The Fan, a little bit more apologetic

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Speaker 1: So gentlemen, welcome to day one of the combine. Snowing outside,

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Speaker 1: nice and toasty in here for some draft talk. Have

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Speaker 1: the running backs, the offensive line, and the specialists on

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Speaker 1: tap today. No workouts, all interviews. That's something we'll be

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Speaker 1: talking about today. I want to get your feeling on

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Speaker 1: those guys maybe what we could expect tomorrow. I want

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Speaker 1: to also give fans the opportunity out there to get

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Speaker 1: do have the ability you have at the Draft Show.

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Speaker 1: If you follow us on Twitter, We've been putting a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff out. This seems like this is going

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Speaker 1: So if you want to get ahold of us, it's

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Speaker 1: at the Draft Show. For a question, I'll make sure

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Speaker 1: the panel gets it. But Dan, I'll start with you

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Speaker 1: offensive line. It started off initially okay, we got the

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Speaker 1: specialist trickling through, and then then all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: and we got a few other guy, a few offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: Then there was some big time offensive lineman, Dick, some

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Speaker 1: big time tackles that made an appearance in that room today, right,

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Speaker 1: and the first day is always about the three ms,

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Speaker 1: the medicals, the measurements, and then the media. That's when

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Speaker 1: they all come strolling into the media room and we

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Speaker 1: how the process is going, and you know, just kind

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Speaker 1: of get a feel for them as people. And for

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Speaker 1: a lot of these players, these seniors, we've seen him

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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl or some other all star events,

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Speaker 1: but for the underclassman, it's really our first chance to

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Speaker 1: throw questions at him. And so that was the case

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Speaker 1: with Laramie Tunsel, who at the projected number one overall

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Speaker 1: made a strong case why the Tennessee Titans should pick him,

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Speaker 1: saying he is the best when you talk about the

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Speaker 1: best tackles in this draft. So I thought he was convincing.

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Speaker 1: He was great. Ronnie Stanley not as impressive. During his interview,

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Speaker 1: hope to prove today? And he really harped a lot

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Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley is aware of and something that he's going

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Speaker 1: week during the interview process, Jeff, your thoughts though you

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Speaker 1: And I thought, for me, there was one guy in particular,

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Speaker 1: there's certain things that teams don't ask guys to do.

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Speaker 1: he runs four six eight. Then all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: I told you so and he's he's not gonna be

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Speaker 1: it hurt him in that? When you watch him one film?

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Speaker 1: Would you think? What? What does forty time? Did you

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Speaker 1: think he was a four or five athlete? Well, because

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Speaker 1: there's times when he does separate. I mean you see

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Speaker 1: him breaking second level and go, I'm not he's down

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Speaker 1: We are indeed on the clock here from the Indianapolis Combine,

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Speaker 1: So wonderful to have you here in Indianapolis, and thank

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Speaker 1: us think about players in a different light. Well, thank

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Speaker 1: you very much. I mean, it's an absolute honor to

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Speaker 1: watching this show for quite a while now and been

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Speaker 1: on here with Brian and Dane, who I essentially learned

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Speaker 1: learned all I am all I know just from going

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Speaker 1: through your scouting reports and Dane's draft guide and just

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Speaker 1: it's a privilege to be on with you guys. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you for for being here, and you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to see you. It was it was fun for

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Speaker 1: me today and I've been coming to this combine since

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Speaker 1: kind of shared a little story of something or two

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Speaker 1: anything stand out to you today. You've you've watched these players,

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Speaker 1: you've studied these players, but the chet the fact that

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Speaker 1: So I basically I'll be right about ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: initial evaluation. And I'm not Stubb, and I'll i'm might Stubb,

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Speaker 1: and I'll admit when I'm wrong with these guys. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have to do that. So but the initial impressions

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Speaker 1: that's good. I mean, I'm excited again that you're here.

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Speaker 1: So and but you now get to be a part

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Speaker 1: They have plenty of questions here, h and you know,

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Speaker 1: you concerned it all about Bosa off the field? It

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Speaker 1: is something that needs to be addressed. Obviously, he was

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Speaker 1: suspended for the season opener of twenty fifteen. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, was Zeke Elliott and a few other guys

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Speaker 1: moving into isolation basically, and you know, kind of he

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Speaker 1: worrisome because you know, did he need to do that,

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Speaker 1: you know, to see if there's temptation around him? Is

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Speaker 1: that going to uh? You know, you have to worry

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Speaker 1: about him because in the NFL, he's not going to

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be a millionaire, So a little more tempt

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Speaker 1: temptation might come his way, something something to address, but

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Speaker 1: not something I'm worried about, and he more concerned. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Dane spelled it out for You're right there, though, is

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Speaker 1: this something again the Cowboys talk about case by case

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Speaker 1: and you know Noah' spense as a guy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not like to me, there's a couple of defensive

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Speaker 1: that have concerns. Oh, It's interesting because there was some

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Speaker 1: So I'm really interested to hear what joy Bosa has

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Speaker 1: in his interview, because to me, the guys who skirts

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Speaker 1: what joy Bosa says, But on the face of it,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything serious here. I do believe

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Speaker 1: he's a good team mate, and he just made a

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Speaker 1: a party go early on and he seems to have changed.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it sounds like something I had a problem

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Speaker 1: I had at LSU. Scott Cody wants to know, guys,

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Speaker 1: what are your favorite one techniques? Now you know me, Dane,

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Speaker 1: I've got to bring this always back to the one

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Speaker 1: technique that's my favorite position. At talk. The team never

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Speaker 1: he kind of goes, it's a little early and we're

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Speaker 1: just sending up okay, and then they don't draft one,

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Speaker 1: and everyone else does, what are your favorite one techniques

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Speaker 1: for rounds two through five? But you have one guy

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Speaker 1: that you're kind of having on that you're kind of

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Speaker 1: focusing on, and I we're the same one. Well, one

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Speaker 1: is just going to DP him down. When I dropped

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Speaker 1: the name Hassan Ridgeway out of Texas, that's what I

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Speaker 1: yeah we're agreed. Then, like watching him on tape was great. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what round? What round? That's the thing you right, thirty

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Speaker 1: four seems sort of high. But oh no, But here's

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Speaker 1: the problem. I you can't play the game of is

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Speaker 1: he going to make it to me? If you really

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Speaker 1: want to upgrade that position, and that's the best guy

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Speaker 1: on the board at the time, I could take him

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Speaker 1: at thirty four. I think on tape he shows traits

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Speaker 1: He shows some power, He's so active, he plays violently.

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Speaker 1: I really really liked his tape, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: see probably some of these one techniques fall into that

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Speaker 1: these other talented defensive tackles that we really like in

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Speaker 1: the end of round one sneak through to thirty four.

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Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then our brother at the

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Speaker 1: end of the at the end of the table here though,

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Speaker 1: he has some questions about Jeran Reid. Oh yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: not that I don't like Jeran Reid. I just think

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Speaker 1: I mean, the third down is the money down at

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Speaker 1: someone who's gonna be able to stay on the field.

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Speaker 1: So my my personal favorite is actually one of the

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Speaker 1: into the backfield. He can make an impact on passing downs,

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Speaker 1: There you go. Justin Bierley wants to know. And this

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Speaker 1: come up this together. What do you think it would

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Speaker 1: be most likely the top five picks? Something you're willing

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Speaker 1: to bet on the first five picks of the draft

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Speaker 1: start with number one. I think I think that's one

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Speaker 1: I'd be. I think Ramsey's gonna be number one by

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Speaker 1: the end, and I could yeah, I mean that if

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Speaker 1: you're if and if the Titans stay at number one,

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Speaker 1: I think those are the two guys that you know,

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Speaker 1: we're looking at it at number one, Tonsil or Randy,

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Speaker 1: depending on which structure they want to go. Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: just say for sake, two to one, we'll go. We'll

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Speaker 1: go Tounsil. Number one second pick belongs to the Browns.

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Speaker 1: The Browns and you assume they go quarterback. You know

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Speaker 1: who knows that they actually love one of these quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: But for sake of the argument, was Hugh Jackson telling

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Speaker 1: the truth today. When Hugh Jackson said that hand size

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00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: is really important to him, it is because the rumor

641
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: is Jed said, let's be fair, we don't know Jerry

642
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: Goss hand size yet. I sent the rumor. Yeah, he's

643
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: a tiny head man. We will find out tomorrow what

644
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: the hand size in it. Really the threshold is nine

645
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: in a quarter. Yeah, he's had a chance to come

646
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: over on my Lynch bandwagon. If you want well, no,

647
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: I want a quarterback that's really good. Okay, I want

648
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: a good quarterback. If if golf can hit that that benchmark,

649
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: then you know he's going to be in that conversation

650
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: to be the number two pick. I'll say golf as

651
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: a pickup. Okay, we'll say golf it to you. You're

652
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: okay with golf it too? Well. Again, I just think

653
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: that small hand to quart buck, I actually honestly think

654
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: that it could be packs the Lynch at number two.

655
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: Oh wow. And I mean his stock is all over

656
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: the place, So you could go as high as number

657
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: two or as low as the second round in this guy,

658
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: Packton Lynch. Three to five years from now, he could

659
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: be the best quarterback from the class. It would not

660
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: surprise me at all. Once he learns to play quarterback,

661
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: he's just he's so young in quarterback years. He needs time,

662
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: he needs reps and he checks boxes. Let's let's say,

663
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: let's go golf. Let's go let's go golf. Okay, number

664
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Speaker 1: three Ramsey. I like Buckner there three four right, San

665
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: Diego defensive line, But Ramsey could be Ramsey. They need

666
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: impact guy, especially with Wettle Uh it sounds like he's

667
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: leaving San Diego. They need a new impact guy in

668
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: the secondary. It could be Ramsey at three Ramsey but Ramsey.

669
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: Basically they just need an influx of talent onto that.

670
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter where actual Yes, so I think that, Okay,

671
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: I'll do this. I'll do this for you. Then I'll

672
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: do this. They take Buttner at three. All right, now

673
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: you got the board to Dallas bos Bosa, Ramsey, Jack, Jack,

674
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: you know you've got the board. Yeah, you got the board.

675
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: What do you think? What do I think they would

676
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: do or what would know? What do you think that

677
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna do that? I think they would probably go Bosa.

678
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: That would be my first guest because it's a it's

679
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: an impact player at Out of those three, probably the

680
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: most valuable position and they have a need there. Right.

681
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: If I knew that the Cowboys are going to transition

682
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: to cover three next year, I draft Jalen Ramsey making

683
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: the corner back, and I think the Cowboys would also.

684
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: But it's like the woman, because it's like the one

685
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: scheme that they didn't really play last year. So all

686
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: I would be tempted to say, it's probably gonna be

687
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: boaster in that case. Okay, if they play that single

688
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: high stuff, which they like to do, though, we're comfortable

689
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: playing Ramsey down, yeah, and playing and they're gonna play

690
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: Let's let's be honest, they're gonna play Byron Jones at

691
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: say safety, he ain't playing corner anymore. It's gonna play safety.

692
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: We're all okay with Ramsey playing down and being that guy, right, oh,

693
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: absolutely right, as a hitter, as a physical football player,

694
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: as a cover guy, all of it, yeah, putting him in,

695
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: putting him down in the box, and asking him to

696
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: cover different guys play the rock. Okay, all of that.

697
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: We all, we all love Ramsey here, but okay, now

698
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: making an argument for Bosa. It's a defensive end. He's

699
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. I don't understand how people don't like

700
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: his tape. I think it's dominant. I think he's constantly

701
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: doubled and triple teamed. He's not He's not that von

702
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: Miller is gonna scream off the edge. He's not Randy Gregory,

703
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: where it's just you know, the lower body explosion is ideal.

704
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 1: But he's so his hands, his leverage, his understanding of

705
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: how to beat the blocker in front of him. Um

706
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: and Taylor Decker mentioned it today. Yea. He was asked

707
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: the question, who's the top defensive lineman you faced? He

708
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: mentioned Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa and he made good

709
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: teammate right there. Yeah. He mentioned about Bosa that you know,

710
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: if you have a weakness or if you make a mistake,

711
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: he's going to find it. You're to expose you. And

712
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: so to me, I think that's why Bosa he's one

713
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: of the top four players in this draft. He's there

714
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: at four. I like to pick your is your buddy

715
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: here speaking the truth? Yeah? I think so. I think

716
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: Bosa is the best defensive end in this class just

717
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: purely because he's the only guy in this class who

718
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: generates consistent pressure. Ye is it? I mean, no, spense

719
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: can get no sprints, wol can. We'll generate pressure when

720
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: we would get sacks. But if someone gets the hand,

721
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: if an offensive tackle gets their hands on him in

722
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: the first three steps and the play is pretty much over,

723
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: we're sleeping on my guys. Shack Lawson, Is that what's

724
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: happening here? Well, Shack Lawson is good as well, but

725
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: the fact is he's Yeah. But but Joey Bosa, I

726
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: mean when I say consistent pressure, I mean that boast

727
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: will get other people's sacks as well. Right, So okay,

728
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: let me I think that he just painted a perfect

729
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: picture of why I don't care about the sack number.

730
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: I care about pressure and disruption. That's what Bosa brings.

731
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: I don't care if he has four sacks or ten.

732
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: It's about the pressure that he'll consistently bring. I think.

733
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: I think that's the best point about Bosa too, because

734
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: I've been saying the same thing about him begin a

735
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: week out that I don't think he's the ten sack guy,

736
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: but he's constantly separated. But if the pressure, if the

737
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: pressure doesn't happen, if the pressure doesn't happen with him,

738
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: are we going to look at him in a different light. Well, sure,

739
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: if he doesn't do his job, then you know it's

740
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: but you can tell about anybody. I don't think that's

741
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: going to be the case, even as a rookie. I

742
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: think he'll pay immediate dividend. Okay. Final final pick? Who

743
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: do you got? Number five? Is the Jagua is No? No,

744
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm not known for the Cowboys screwed the Jaguars. WHOA.

745
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that because we're a all

746
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 1: service show. On this board, we've gone. I just told

747
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: Golf no, no, no, I just want to know who

748
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: the Cowboys Cowboys. Sorry about the Jacks. I would pick Ramsey.

749
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: I think they picked Bosa. Okay, Jeff, I would pick Ramsey.

750
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: I think they would pick Bosa, Bosa, Bosa all the

751
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: way or Jack, you know what. I personally like Jack,

752
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: and then I would pick Jack Ramsey. Then Bosa would

753
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: be my three. I don't hate Bosa. I think that.

754
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: I think you guys make interesting arguments. I don't. I mean,

755
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: I don't have a I understand. I am not killing

756
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: him like you guys think I am. Like I'm killing

757
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: Golf too, I'm never killing him. I think that Greg

758
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: gillis comparison kind of a lot of fans. I think

759
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: Greg Gallis, they think, oh no, at four, I don't.

760
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: He was a good player. He was a good player,

761
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: played the run, am I right, played the run, got

762
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: its occasional sack. He didn't put consistent pressure on the

763
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: pocket like I think Bosa. I think you're overrating that

764
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: with him, by the way, I think we all, I

765
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: think we will see boasts are in the same way.

766
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: It's just the fact that oh it's just no. But

767
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: it's just a fact. You say, you say eight to

768
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: the guy right now, but you say eight to eight

769
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: to ten guy, and it's almost like a bad thing.

770
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: But six to eight, six to eight is what I said.

771
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: That's Greg Ellis, six to eight. Okay, what about what

772
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: about Zeke? Is he somebody we got? Yes, you would

773
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: take him over both of there, Yes, okay, Well you

774
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: didn't mention him, so yeah, I mean I would. But

775
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of but they won't. Yeah,

776
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: you know me, I'm not going to take anybody they

777
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: want consider treadwell there you have to yea Tounsil? Who else?

778
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: Anybody else? If he was there? Not? I mean, I

779
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: love Tonsil's best player. In this draft. But your offensive

780
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: line's already great, why you why not address another position

781
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: that needs Oh I'm just trying to stir it up here, Dane,

782
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: because you go from great to the best ever, you

783
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: don't need the best. Why don't you want to be

784
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: the best ever? Darren mcfan just ran for a thousand yards?

785
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: Does he want fifteen d And that's why I'm not

786
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: taking Zeke because I can take any running back. Okay

787
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: about this? Rick Miller wants to know, will you compare

788
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: Bosa to what can you do that they're different players?

789
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: Not to mention watch two inches bigger, twenty pounds, heavier,

790
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: stronger by nature of his size. Sure, I mean that's

791
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: they're just they're better overall from body by nature of

792
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: his size. They're they're different players, right, you want me

793
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: to go on, Well, and that's why, sure, I'm not

794
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 1: killing him. I'm not. No, I'm making you guys think, Oh,

795
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: if we compare the post, then yeah, boast Of will

796
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: sound like he's as an average NFL player. But that's

797
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: why he shouldn't be compared to guys like J. J.

798
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: Watt oh Keith, says. Jalen Ramsey adds more versatilities defense

799
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: than Bosa. Is that true or false? If you want

800
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: to key in on versatility, then sure, because Ramsey can play.

801
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: He could you put him a linebacker if you wanted to.

802
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he could play anywhere you want in

803
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: the back seven. I don't care where you want to

804
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: put him. He can play all those positions. So Miles

805
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: jacket all those positions. Sure. Yeah, So if you want

806
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: to talk about just versatility, then sure. But I'd also

807
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 1: argue that you can talk about the secondary all you want.

808
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: The pass rush will impact the secondary in a big way.

809
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't care how good you were as a corner.

810
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: You can't cover for six to seven seconds. Where if

811
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: my defensive in can get pressure, then my corners I

812
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: can live with some soci corners out there. So I

813
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: give me pressure. Give me guys, I get to the quarterback. Okay,

814
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna take one more question here and then we

815
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: got to take a break. Uh let's see here, Oh, GT. Baker,

816
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: I'd be George T. Baker, Dear Brian, would you take Bosa?

817
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: Would you take him? In sixty seven? I might hand

818
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: the card in then I don't know, now I I

819
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: these guys are absolutely right. I'm not. I'm not. I'm

820
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: just having fun with him. Not really, Okay, at the

821
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: draft show, with the need of defensive players, do you

822
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: see the Cowboys trading down to get extra picks for

823
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: a defensive end, a defensive tackle due to the depth

824
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: at that defensive line position. If you're going down, aren't

825
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: how far? To me, it's probably not good business to

826
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: trade away from the guys that you think are special players.

827
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: If you group, thank you for listening what happened I

828
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: said that. See, I'm glad you listened to this. Okay,

829
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: You're welcome tune in all the time. Yeah, Like, I

830
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: don't want to get away from now for me, that

831
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: includes a couple of different guys though, Like, I don't

832
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: want to get away from a group that includes Ramsey

833
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: jack Um posts at the end of it, I'm between

834
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah and Zeke, Like, I can't go on right now.

835
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: That time we're allowed to disagree. Absolutely, Eventually we'll look

836
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: back and somebody will get to say, really, it'll be

837
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: Dane hosting the Draft show and I'll be bagging groceries somewhere.

838
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't want to

839
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: get away from that group. Although a part of me

840
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: does look at it, look at at it, and it's like,

841
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna take Bosa at four and I could

842
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: go down to nine and take Shack Lawson and have

843
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: what can I get for that? I get an extra two? Yeah,

844
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Lawson in the two than Joey Bosa

845
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: and that that is obviously a big part of this

846
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: scenario is what are we getting back? You know, is

847
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: it worth our while? And tradey back doesn't always is

848
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: not always the best way to go. Danny, Can I

849
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: interest you in something? Can I get you? Can I

850
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: get you to pick at four and come back to

851
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: the draft at twenty? Can I get you to come

852
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: back into twenty and give me I talked to I

853
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: talked to Mike mccagnan, the general manager for the Jets,

854
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: and he's interested, He's very interested in and it's somebody

855
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: he Mike wants. He wants picks, he wants picks. And

856
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: Michael told me he thinks he's at the very end

857
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: of maybe the first round run. We talk about those

858
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty names that people have on their board.

859
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: Not everybody has thirty two first round grades. We all

860
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: have somewhere between fifteen eighteen names, and Mike thinks he's

861
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: at the very end. Can I get you to give

862
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: up your two and your four to come back up

863
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: in the distract at twenty? I think Cowboys fans massively overright.

864
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: How many needs the Cowboys have this offseason? So honestly,

865
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. It's the fact even if they traded down

866
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: in the first round, I'm only I'm only trading down

867
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: to get more picks. I can trade up later, and

868
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: honestly I would take that deal. Because this could be

869
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: controversial here, but the Texans pick, Oh, go ahead, we

870
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: do it all the time on this show. Texans pick

871
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: at twenty two. If you if you take a defensive

872
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: player at four, then to me, Christian Hackenberg is the

873
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: last potential franchise quarterback in this class, and I think

874
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: you have to get the Texans to be able to

875
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: get him. Or if Paxton Lynch falls that far, or

876
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: if one of your first round as far as that

877
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: fast I say, Zeke falls that far, you can get

878
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: a franchise change of that, whereas I don't. I'm not

879
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: sure that you can get the same at thirty four.

880
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: So I would. I would one hundred percent be interested

881
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: in trading up. Can I get you to trade back

882
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: in for two and a four? It depends on who

883
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: we're trading up for. If we're treading back up for Zeke, yeah,

884
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. If we're treading back up for a Lynch, yeah,

885
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: I think I'd do that too. What if he was

886
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: going after What if he was going after he's trying

887
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: to get to pull up Carolina here and go back

888
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: to back defensive ends? What if you draft both said

889
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: four and then maybe you're going back in for Losson

890
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: Would you go back in for another defensive lineman? Well?

891
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: Why do you do? Why do you do that when

892
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: you have Lawrence? Yeah? You I don't think you need

893
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: to do though. Okay, I'm just trying to say, maybe

894
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: you know the little you know you're not going to

895
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: bring back hard Let's be honest here, I said, we

896
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: gotta stack these up like club sandwiches. Yeah, stack up

897
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: all that, you know. I'm just trying to make you

898
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: think about something, because you're thinking about going back in

899
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: for you know, a quarterback. You're thinking about going in

900
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: for a runner. If you're treating up like that, you

901
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: want an impact player, And I think there's going to

902
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: be some guy. There's always a player that falls, whether

903
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: you know it could be a quarterback like a Paxson Lynch.

904
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: If Zeke does slip to twenty, I'm doing I mean,

905
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take Zeke at four, but at twenty

906
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: I would. I would use my second in my fourth

907
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: to go up and get what if what if Treadwell

908
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: is a slider and yes, yes, yes, go get to it. Go.

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Speaker 1: Maybe my loss and idea is a bad even though

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00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: I like the second and third round receivers. He's trying

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Speaker 1: to make your thinking, Okay, we're gonna take our final

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Speaker 1: clock here from the twenty sixteen NFL combine from the

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Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium here in Indianapolis, Indiana. Looks like the

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961
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: arguing all things NFL Draft, discussing all things NFL Draft,

962
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Speaker 1: and try not to hurt me NFL Draft at this

963
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: point in time. Hey guys, there were a couple of

964
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: late questions that popped in that I just want to

965
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: make sure that we maybe get a hold of and

966
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: just just to kind of spur the conversation on a

967
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: little bit further. And I appreciate these guys and in

968
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: so I'll continue on a little bit. Maurice Kimbro wants

969
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: to do you think Ellie will make make the biggest

970
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: impact in this draft? Well, he make the biggest impact,

971
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, I get I get that question a lot

972
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: from a lot of fantasy football uh fans, you know,

973
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: and about quarterbacks and these receivers, and so much depends

974
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: on fit, so much depends on where he ends up,

975
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: and uh, you know how he's going to be used,

976
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: you know. But Zeke is scheme versatile. I mean he

977
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: transcends scheme. He can fit whatever your your offense wants

978
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: to do. Um, So I think he'd be an if

979
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: you want to tell me that Ze's going to be

980
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: the most productive player from this draft. I won't argue

981
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, because Zeke's probably the best player from

982
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: this draft class just in something because it's the ringing

983
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: back position has got someone agrees with me. You can

984
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: make an argument certainly he's that good. I mean, the

985
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: fact is I didn't think he's even that fall Baha.

986
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: Talk Girley was last year, and I would say, talk

987
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: Girley than he used to have the third third running

988
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: back from the Yeah, but you better be careful that guy.

989
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: You're right right there. Might slap you for saying if

990
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: he's better than Gurley, that's okay. Nobody nobody's gonna say that. No,

991
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: I don't think if anybody said it, yes, I would,

992
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: but no one's gonna say that. They'd be crazy. Dog,

993
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: I got you, Okay, maybe maybe more complete And I

994
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: think Gurley can catch and block too, but Zeke may

995
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: hold the edge in other categories. He's not a better runner.

996
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: Don't have the durability question either one. Yeah, Yeah, Eddie

997
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: h wants to know who was his interview? Yeah, who

998
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: will have the better career Bosa or Ramsey. I'll bet

999
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: on Ramsey. It's it's tough. I mean, I like, we

1000
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: like both these guys. I mean we're splitting you know,

1001
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: which impact player is gonna be really good? Right all

1002
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: of them? Which impact player is going to make an impact?

1003
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: You know it's I mean, I've got MS Ramsey's three

1004
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: on my board, Boss four on my board. Okay, so

1005
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: you know it. We're splitting hairs. Ramsey has more upside

1006
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: in my opinion, so I think I don't think he's

1007
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: also quite a lot need to actually hit that side.

1008
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: It's just that boast I'd just say him is to

1009
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: say fit, We're gonna invite you back for making points

1010
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: like that that Bosa has. I don't want to say

1011
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: hit a ceiling. But it seems like he's more advanced

1012
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: than most college football players. Like he's winning with technique,

1013
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: he's winning with him, he's winning with all these things.

1014
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: And is he what he is? And are a lot

1015
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: of other guys do? They have more room to grow?

1016
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: And I'm surprised when people use it as a negative

1017
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: because he's more of a sure thing. He's more of

1018
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: a you know, because a lot of these guys with upside,

1019
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he's more of a sure thing that

1020
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: Zeke is though, No, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I

1021
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: definitely agree there. But you know, we talk so much

1022
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: about potential and upside with these guys, it's it's unrealized

1023
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: potential at this point because they haven't reached that and

1024
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee they will. But with bos So, you

1025
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: have a better idea of who he is. You know,

1026
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: there's more puzzle pieces put together with him as a prospect.

1027
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: Sebastian wants to know guys who are some possible later

1028
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: round defensive gems. Is there anybody you got on that

1029
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: third day that you're you know you want to You're

1030
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: gonna bang your shoe on the table and try and

1031
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: get everybody's attention there. There's always ran some of the

1032
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: place around them. I think if a guy like Xavian Howard,

1033
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, slips a little bit, oh, I like him,

1034
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: would love to get a get my hands on him

1035
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: as a player. Uh, put him at corner. Um, I'll

1036
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: tell you a sleeper that I really like at a

1037
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: North Carolina Central Ryan Smith. Uh, he's a player the corner, Yeah,

1038
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: the corner. We'll see him here this week. That's a

1039
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: fluid moving dude. Yeah, and he's also a big time

1040
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: return man. So we'll we'll see him how he performs.

1041
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know about him, but I

1042
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: think he'll gain a little bit of steam here. Um,

1043
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: who else you got? Who do you got? Danny? My

1044
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: favorite Day three guys probably Eric Murray from Minnesota. You

1045
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: guys saw him at the Senior Bowl in the mouth.

1046
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: To me, he's really physical, press bale corner if you

1047
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: run a cover. If Seattle took him, I'm sure he'd

1048
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: become a starter within two years. There's actually quite a

1049
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: few cornerbacks like that who Seattle will just love because

1050
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: of that. But oh, they love all these tall, these

1051
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: six six oh one two guys, every one of those

1052
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: six one guys six They love those guys. What kind

1053
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: of great did you give Murray? I gave him a

1054
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: early third round, right right, that's I think it's gonna

1055
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: fall down to day. I gave him a late third,

1056
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: early fourth. So we're close. Can I throw out a

1057
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: random name and you guys tell me what you thought

1058
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: or what you've seen from him, because everybody talks about

1059
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: the guy who put up all the numbers at OEU.

1060
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: Eric Striker. Right, I watched the guy on the other side,

1061
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 1: Bond DeVante right, and I thought he had some pretty

1062
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: darn good tape like that was a guy that showed

1063
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: the ability to cover some He made people this on

1064
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: the move as an outside linebacker. I thought there was

1065
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: something there. Yeah, I think you're right. He did get

1066
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: overlooked quite a bit. But he can play and I

1067
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: think he'll have a good combine. And yeah, especially with Striker.

1068
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: I don't know where were you playing Striker. I put

1069
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: Bond in front of Striker. That's why I'm asking the question.

1070
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: I think I think Bond I would rather have on

1071
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: my NFL team than his teammate who got all the headlines.

1072
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: I agree. I have a better feel for what Bond

1073
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: can be in the NFL than I do for Striker.

1074
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: Ayby forgetting about our boy Brown from Akron John Davis Brown,

1075
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: He's don't know where to play him, but he's gonna,

1076
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna be the special teams captain and

1077
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: what a big nickel linebacker. Don't know, but the Cowboys

1078
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: have quite a few expiring free agents this this this offseason.

1079
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: Who actually the best special teams players? So, for example,

1080
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: James Hannah's worn right I'm still trying to replace the

1081
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: one they lost it last year. And you know, Kyle Wilbur,

1082
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: Danny McCray, I think is out of contracts. So if

1083
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: they lose any of these guys, and you do have

1084
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: to be able to get some of these special teams players,

1085
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: and then so so Tavis Brown, I mean I think

1086
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 1: he's well, you get you get a situation too where

1087
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: just hearing that maybe they get a fourth round selection

1088
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: compensatory in three sixth round compensatory. So you're right, game,

1089
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: you do some damage. When do you guys think some

1090
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: of the small school pass rushers will go like a

1091
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: how about app State? Ronald Blair doesn't go in the

1092
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: top fifty, I'll come back on here and now on

1093
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: my shoe. Yeah, that dude's good. Wouldn't he be nice

1094
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: to get in the third round? You did? Have you

1095
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: seen him? Have you have you seen the man from

1096
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: app State? Yeah? Blair? I actually watched them because I'm

1097
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: Dane wrote an article before the Shrine game saying he's

1098
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: saying he thinks he might be the best player there.

1099
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: And I watched player after that and he was absolutely

1100
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: how about you doing that to me? I was absolutely

1101
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: bemused that he'd even got a shrine He's going to

1102
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: the Shrine game instead of the Eni Bowl because I mean,

1103
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: this guy can play, he's got He actually reminds me

1104
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of de Marcus Lawrence, just in the

1105
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: fact that he's quite short, quite stocky, but he has length, yeah,

1106
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: powerful heavy hands. He can can capture the edge as well.

1107
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: So so to me, yeah, it's very similar. I don't

1108
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: think it's quite as advanced as the Marcus Lawrence was,

1109
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: but it's similar sort of player. How about Brothers Missouri?

1110
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 1: Mike him insideline with another short guy, but he makes

1111
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: a million plays battle. He is slow, He's not going

1112
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: to run a good time here, but he how does

1113
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: he play so fast? He processes everything, he knows what's

1114
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: happening for the offense does so he's able to beat

1115
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: blockers to the spot. The way he sees the field

1116
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: and then processes it is outstanding. So there's a place

1117
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL for him. He's one of the top

1118
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: sixty players in this where when we were watching him,

1119
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: I think what they had the list of forty, like

1120
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: at four or seven something or four playing first? That yeah,

1121
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: right to me, Brothers is basically the same as Paul

1122
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: Dawson was last year to me, just but the big

1123
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: difference is that Brothers actually placed like he has some

1124
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: like you actually understand these limitations. Paul Dawson was a

1125
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: was an an athletic guy who used to try and

1126
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: you couldn't do. Yeah, pencrup brothers actually actually understand this

1127
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: game better than anyone. So if you don't want to

1128
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: hear my Pard Dawson story, they have a file on

1129
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: me at CBS Sports, And so if I do it,

1130
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: if can I do it and have a folder with

1131
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: the cowboy. No, you don't just say what I said

1132
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: about Paul Dawson on Love PAULA, Okay, we've got to

1133
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: We got a little bit of time here. Let's see,

1134
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: we got about ten minutes ago, and there's some more

1135
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: conversation about maybe what we might expect tomorrow from these

1136
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: offensive line, from the running backs, that kind of you

1137
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: know what we'll see on the field. Is there anybody

1138
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: you think is gonna look great? And you know who

1139
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: will be that guy that all a sudden out It's

1140
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: like we're not really talking about him, but now we're

1141
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 1: talking about at I mean, everybody's nee jerk how about

1142
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: how about a guy that I think it was Dane

1143
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: that was asking him the question. We were talking to

1144
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: Tyler Irvin, the San Jose State running back, and Dane

1145
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: asked him, what are you going to run the forty in?

1146
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: And he said four twos? He said the goal was

1147
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: the four twos. And we watched him and he was

1148
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: a little guy listening in the one seventies. But he

1149
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: said he wasn't in Auburn game. He said he was

1150
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: playing in the one nineties. He said, yeah, he said

1151
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: they weighed him in the spring, but when they actually

1152
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: were playing football, he's in the one nineties, and boy,

1153
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: he looked pretty good. I didn't see. I didn't think

1154
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: he was bad during the Senior Bowl. No, I mean

1155
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: I thought that was But you watched that Auburn game

1156
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: and you're he's number seven at San Jose, So I mean,

1157
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: you swear you're watching that kid at LSU running the

1158
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: football sometime when he was getting solved. Who you got? Uh? Well,

1159
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: first off, you know I have to point out that

1160
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: Davante Booker, Jonathan Williams, Jordan Howard. You know these guys

1161
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: won't be working out Unfortunately. I was really looking forward

1162
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: to seeing them with the injury questions, but uh, I

1163
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: want to see ze I want to see what he does.

1164
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: I want to see I want to see him in

1165
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: action and how how fast can he run? Um some

1166
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: of these offensive linemen. I think Jack Conklin for as

1167
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: much as we talked about as I was going to say, uh,

1168
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't come up with the O guy for as

1169
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: maybe more more power than quickness. I think he's going

1170
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: to perform really well. So does he not? Yea, not

1171
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: only in the forty I mean I think he'll be

1172
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: right around five five flat, but the agility drolls as well,

1173
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: So I think Conklind could help himself. The guy who

1174
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean like say, I was going to say Conklin,

1175
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: so thanks for that. But another guy who I'm quite

1176
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: interested in his Train Madden from USC. Now. He's had

1177
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: absolutely no publicity at all so far, and he's he's

1178
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: good because he's barely played at all at USC. You

1179
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: got had any snaps at all. They had, they had

1180
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: good players behind him, they had Gavoria s Allen last year.

1181
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: But to me, this is a guy who I feel

1182
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: exactly the same way about Train Madden this year as

1183
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: I did about Carlos Williams last year, like almost exactly

1184
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 1: having the same grade on them. The reports are gonna

1185
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: be the same way, and Carlos Williams has had a

1186
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: really good rookie rookie year. And I think you can

1187
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: turn athletes into running backs more than any other position.

1188
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: And to me, Trey Madden is he is actually an athlete.

1189
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: So I think we might see that tomorrow in the

1190
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: running backs. And another guy who I'm quite intrigued by

1191
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: as well is Joe Haig from North Dakota State. No.

1192
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 1: To me, he's the best reach blocker in this entire

1193
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: class's ability. He just got front side of guys in

1194
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: his own running and so I think he could run

1195
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: quite a decent three cone time. He'll probably have a

1196
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: decent ten yards split in the fourties. So interested about

1197
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: him as well. And unfortunately we're not going to see

1198
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: Madden because he's not working out because he had he

1199
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: had a knee and really that's that's the that's the

1200
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: bottom line with Trey Madden. As he can't stay healthy.

1201
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: I think he's going to get a reject grade from

1202
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: a lot of these teams because the medicals are just

1203
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: going to come back so bad and it's unfortunate because

1204
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: he's a really talented player. He played some linebacker at USC.

1205
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: It was a really good running back. So yeah, really

1206
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: unfortunate for him because he is a good player who

1207
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: helps himself the most. Tomorrow, guys, those we're talking like

1208
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: the second third round guys, of the running backs, of

1209
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: the of the offensive lineman. Maybe there's you know, the

1210
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: USC center somebody. I mean, this is a pretty solid ground.

1211
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: He's not working either, He's not ready. Okay, So I'm

1212
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: just saying though the guys, and I'm just gonna say,

1213
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: there's an impressive group of centers and stuff in this drafting.

1214
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: The running back group is really interesting because I don't

1215
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: know if everybody feels the same way, but to me,

1216
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: there is sort of a jumble or a group of guys. Guys. Yeah,

1217
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean, if Paul Perkins comes out here and smokes

1218
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: everybody in the forty and looks great catching the ball, Yeah,

1219
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, is he in front of

1220
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that you have listed certain fictions.

1221
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: A guy I moved up into the second round after

1222
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: some Senior Bowl stuff that I've seen on him. I

1223
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: want to see Collins impressed me because I when I

1224
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: watch him on tape, I see a guy that's going

1225
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: to get what's blocked for him. He is a reliable

1226
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: guy and there's a place in the NFL for I

1227
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: want to see him impressed me though in the agility drills,

1228
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: and you know, I want to see I want to

1229
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: see him pop off the film when we watch and

1230
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: watch his combine stuff. So I think for me, Alex Collins,

1231
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: I want to see what he does during the agiliy drills.

1232
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: Keep your wrong on Kelvin Taylor, because to me, Taylor

1233
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: isn't actually Taylor isn't You have to tell a story

1234
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: about Taylor. Yeah, Taylor won't be a top ten running

1235
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: back in this class just because he's purely a zone

1236
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: blocking runner. But the fact is, for the Cowboys, he

1237
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: may even be a top five running back on their

1238
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: board just because he is such a perfect fit as

1239
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: a one cut and goes outside zone runner. He can

1240
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,479
Speaker 1: has a speed to be able to get to the edge.

1241
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: He can, he makes good reads, and so to me,

1242
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: I think he could. He's in that sort of probably

1243
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 1: third echel running backs, maybe third to fourth round, maybe

1244
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: a little bit later than that. So he's He's probably

1245
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: the guy who I have my eye on at the

1246
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: top of the fourth round. Who's the most overrated running back? Yeah,

1247
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: one guy that everybody's talking about. Everybody's Burson about. But

1248
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: there's there's one guy you're like, you're hoping that somebody

1249
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: else takes him. Mine's Derrick Henry. But okay, if it

1250
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: came to Dallas, I think you'd be really good. So

1251
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: we take Derrick Henry off, then who do the else

1252
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: you got? Mine is the Vonte Booker because I think

1253
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 1: that he has he has a really good film, which

1254
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: I like. But to me, with running back, it isn't

1255
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: just about the film the running backs. It's the fact

1256
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: that he's had a huge workload. He's gonna be twenty

1257
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: four years old during the season. Now wait a minute,

1258
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: now you get what's what you say about age? Because

1259
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: I gave a high five to a guy when I

1260
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: came into the airport yesterday. A man, Terrence Newman, was

1261
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: on an escalator going the other way and he saw

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Speaker 1: me and he and we Vante Booker was thirty six

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Speaker 1: years old playing against sixteen years No, no no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you this though. They said the same thing,

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Speaker 1: if you always remembered they said the same thing before

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Speaker 1: that Terrence was drafted. He's an older guy. He's the

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Speaker 1: one guy still playing like this is running back though.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just talking about when you say that

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Speaker 1: about go ahead, and he's actually a strong correlation. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember you are right, You're I'm just telling you

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Speaker 1: about old every time you say something about an older

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Speaker 1: guy coming in. He plays for like twelve to thirteen years.

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Speaker 1: And Booker doesn't avoid contact. I mean that, you know

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Speaker 1: that's he likes to be a pinball where he's gonna

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Speaker 1: bounce off guys. So durability's definitely something you said. Exactly

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Speaker 1: did he make Did he make a point about this though? He?

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you know? Sure? Oh? Sure, you know

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Speaker 1: with all these running backs, you have to you have

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Speaker 1: to one about that some guys are are better at

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Speaker 1: taking contact than others. And you know, Booker, he's a

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Speaker 1: competitive runner. I and love what you see on film, um,

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Speaker 1: but you do have to worry a little bit about

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Speaker 1: his workload and and the durability that comes with it.

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Speaker 1: So it does factor into the equation. But I think

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Speaker 1: these running backs, besides Elliott, I like a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't love any of these guys. I

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Speaker 1: don't hate any of them either, right, you know they're

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Speaker 1: all kind of clumped together in that second to fourth

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Speaker 1: round range. But uh, you know we mentioned Kelvin Taylor,

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Speaker 1: and my favorite Kelvin Taylor. Stat he's the only running

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Speaker 1: back in this group that has not fumbled in his career.

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Speaker 1: He's also the only running back. He's also the only

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Speaker 1: running back I watched that nobody blocks for. Yeah, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no. That kid in Illinois ferguson him fair enough. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Can I get any love for Procise? Yeah? Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: he's uh, he says he's one hundred percent now, which

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Speaker 1: is great because he missed basically the last five game

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Speaker 1: and the er name season. He's gonna do what the forty,

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Speaker 1: the broad and the vert here. He's not going to

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Speaker 1: do anything else until it's pro Day. But pro Stas

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Speaker 1: is the top five running back from me. I'm really

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Speaker 1: I hate when people say, well, he's only going to

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Speaker 1: get better, because I hate it's over cliche. But I

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Speaker 1: really think pro Sis is going to get better and better.

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Speaker 1: Hate when people say that. I hate it because he's

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Speaker 1: so young at the running back position. You know once

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Speaker 1: he gets those instincts, are going to develop as an

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Speaker 1: inside runner, and I think he'll really improve once he

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Speaker 1: gets more red. Really impressive tape for a guy who

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Speaker 1: was it a couple of weeks before the season. Stag

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Speaker 1: was like, Hey, welcome to running back. That's impressive tape.

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Speaker 1: But I just talked about turning athletes into running backs,

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Speaker 1: and that's just exactly what you're gonna do with c J. Prosis.

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Speaker 1: That's very little wear and tear. He already understands the game,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's that's with these guys who have

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Speaker 1: just changed. As long as they as long as you

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Speaker 1: have a general understanding, if they make the right reads,

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Speaker 1: they read their keys, they read their blocking, then in

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Speaker 1: general you can turn these athletes into pretty good football players.

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Speaker 1: So I agree with on Procise. That's interesting. How about

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Speaker 1: a little love for our rambler at Texas A and

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Speaker 1: m huh, I'm with you on the Ramy Carson. How

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Speaker 1: about Grey Carson. Unfortunately he's not work. He's got that

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Speaker 1: he's banged up. A lot of banged up guys got

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Speaker 1: to run full seven anyway. Yeah, okay, with the shots fired,

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Speaker 1: all right, Well that's all the time that we have

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Speaker 1: for the Draft show. Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your questions. We always appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to my guys here hanging out. Appreciate Danny, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Look forward to have you on more this week. Jeff Kavanaugh,

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Speaker 1: I'm debating whether to put you back on or not,

1332
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: because thank you, you got a debatable opinion. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Dame Burgler. You will always be on this show because

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Speaker 1: I have mad love for you as a draft all right.

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Speaker 1: For our for Kent Garrison, I'm Brian Braus. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Ed, We'll see you tomorrow night.

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Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot com. A lot of stuff going up.

1340
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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, we had him broken down for you. That'll

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Speaker 1: be going up up, and we'll be kind of hanging

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Speaker 1: out here Nindy and just getting you ready. So take care,