1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: We are not on Radio row at Super Bowl Week, 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: although I'm dashing up there Wednesday. Albert Breer is Monday 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: Morning quarterback. He is joining us live from San Francisco. 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting people have said, I've heard this 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: from friends, like it doesn't really move me. You got 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: the team from the Pacific Northwest, and then the Patriots 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: feel like they're still a little bit in a rebuild. 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: Is there a storyline that intrigues you the most? And 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: maybe it is, Darnald, it's predictable. Is there's there one 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: thing that jumps out to you that if you ran 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: the network you would sell this as the storyline? 19 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say a couple things, Colin. 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 4: The first thing would probably be Trake May's shoulder is 21 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 4: something we're gonna be following all week and kind of 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 4: how that storyline took on a life of its own 23 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 4: last week, and so whereas he had he was limited 24 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 4: in practice on Thursday, he didn't practice on Friday. So, 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 4: just in the micro sense, that would be one as 26 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 4: far as like a macro storyline, I think the Seahawks 27 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 4: feel like they're on the verge of where they were 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 4: twelve thirteen years ago, on the front end of something, 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 4: and that this is not a one off. And if 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 4: you look, you see a lot of really solid pieces 31 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: at the premium positions. And I said this to you, 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 4: I think before the year I looked at the Seahawks 33 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 4: the Packers in the same category. This is before the 34 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 4: Packers traded for Micah Parsons. They had a lot of 35 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 4: very good young players where if those guys could just 36 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 4: elevate to become great players, they'd really have something. And 37 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 4: that's more or less happened, hasn't it. I mean, you 38 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: look at it across the board. Jackson Smith and Jigba 39 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 4: really good receiver, now great one. Charles Cross at left tackle, 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker at running back, Byron Murphy at defensive tackle, 41 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 4: Devin Witherspoon at corner. You know you have guys that 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 4: were probably Pro Bowl type players becoming all pro type players, 43 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 4: and those guys are all young, and so, you know, 44 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: just talking to Seahawks people over the course of the 45 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: last few months, they really felt that the team was 46 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 4: continuing to get better. 47 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 5: Over the course of time. 48 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 4: That was because of that individual improvement. Now what Sam 49 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 4: Darnold is on this stage is going to be really 50 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 4: interesting because for the most part, outside of a couple 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: of games, he's been the same guy for two years now. 52 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 4: Like those games in Minnesota last year at the end 53 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 4: of the year, he didn't have his left tackle, the 54 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 4: offensive line in general didn't do a good job of 55 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 4: protecting him against Detroit or the Rams. But for the 56 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 4: most part, he's been the same guy over the course 57 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 4: of the next last couple of years. So now you're 58 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 4: looking at like this quarterback with a chance to have 59 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 4: full redemption and become the guy that everybody thought he 60 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 4: was going to be when he was picked third overall 61 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 4: coming out of USC to the Jets, and you have 62 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 4: this team around him that looks like it could be 63 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 4: another version of what John Schneider and Pete Carroll Bilt 64 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 4: twelve or thirteen years ago we were. 65 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: You know, I was saying about thirty minutes ago, I 66 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: said Vrabel could be the best ex player coach ever. 67 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: Mike Ditka obviously formed the eighty five Bears. I just 68 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: think when I look at Rabel intellectually and his ability 69 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: to compartmentalize media responsibility, players, drafting, developing. You know, so 70 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: much of sports debates is about hoisting trophies. I don't 71 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: think there are three coaches in this league smarter than 72 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: Mike Rabel, just in terms of and you know this 73 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: Albert he is the one Patriot ever that didn't suck 74 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: up to Belichick first day. I mean he has always 75 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: challenged Belichick. Yeah, when you cover this team and you're 76 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: in that part of the country, there's a certain reverence. 77 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: He's almost held in, like he he's like the guy 78 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: you don't want to mess with. 79 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 5: I mean, how would you categorize him? 80 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 4: Well, I mean he's always been that guy. 81 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 6: That's the other thing. I can tell you a story. 82 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: When he's eighteen years old as a freshman at Ohio State, 83 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: his high school coach showed up at the Ohio State 84 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 4: facility to go and visit him and a couple other 85 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 4: guys there. 86 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 5: Asked where Mike was. 87 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 4: Somebody told him, Mike is in Cooper in John Cooper's office, 88 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: the head coach's office, and the coach walks in there 89 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 4: and he sees Mike in there with his feet up 90 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 4: at eighteen years old. And so this is sort of 91 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 4: like always who Vrabel has been. And I think what 92 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 4: he's evolved into is the total package as a head coach, leadership, relationships, scheme, 93 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 4: game management, roster building. I just think when you're talking 94 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 4: about the totality of what a head coach is, Mike 95 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 4: Frabel checks every single box. And I think it really 96 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 4: crystallized for me when I was hearing about how they 97 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 4: put the team together during the last offseason, right and 98 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: this isn't really Gerd Mayo's fault, but the personnel department 99 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 4: the year before went in do it what Rod Mayo 100 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 4: is the coach, and they had a bunch of new guys, 101 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 4: and those guys didn't really know what they wanted every 102 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 4: single position, and so it kind of became hard for 103 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 4: them to put the team together. When Vrabel came in there, 104 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 4: he knew exactly what he wanted from an intangible standpoint, 105 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 4: from a skill set standpoint, at every single position, and 106 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: that weaponized the personnel department to go up and find 107 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 4: guys who are fits, and that I think is why. 108 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: I mean, you look across the board, it's home run 109 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 4: after home run after home run at different levels of 110 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 4: free agency. They hit in the draft. Like they would 111 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 4: tell you Craig Woodson was a fourth round pick. They 112 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 4: would tell you they viewed him as a starter from 113 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: the time they drafted him, and he winds up starting. 114 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 4: And so I just think Mike has grown into becoming 115 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 4: the total package as a head coach. And I think 116 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 4: the last piece came together at the end in Tennessee 117 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 4: when there was some dysfunction in the building that really 118 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 4: wasn't his fault. But I don't know that he did 119 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: everything to bring things back together either. And you saw 120 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: the lesson he learned when he came in in the 121 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 4: first day in New England and said, I'm going to 122 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 4: unify the building. And he's really been able to do that. Again, 123 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 4: I think he checks every box as a head coach, 124 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 4: and you put him together with that quarterback and they 125 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 4: should be able to sustain success. 126 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: So a couple of things happened this weekend. You know, 127 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: I was saying earlier a couple hours ago, you can 128 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: do a lot wrong as a GM. You can miss 129 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: in a lot of picks. But Brandon Bean got Josh 130 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: Allen right and he got promoted. Okay, if John Lynch 131 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: doesn't draft Brock Purty that Trey Lance draft pick, he 132 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: could have lost his job. And I look at Minnesota 133 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: firing their young princeton Stanford wall Street GM, and my 134 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: take is if Donald goes to Seattle and struggles and 135 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: wins six games, but it was the weekly reminder. Okay, 136 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: you had Daniel Jones in the building, you had Donald 137 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: in the building. I read a lot of stuff about 138 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 1: fraternity leave and relationships. 139 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 5: Isn't so much of this job? 140 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: Albert just hit the quarterback and owners forget about a 141 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: lot of other mistakes. 142 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 4: Well, I made the point in my column this morning, 143 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 4: like that they actually offered a haul for Drake May 144 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 4: and they loved Drake May. 145 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 6: Kevin O'Connell loved him. 146 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 4: Josh McCown, who's their quarterbacks coach, actually coached Shrake May 147 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 4: in high school and so they were all in and 148 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 4: trying to trade up for him. Now New England, to 149 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 4: its credit, wouldn't budge. But how different does this look 150 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: of Drake May as the quarterback? 151 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 6: Right now? 152 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 5: Right? 153 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 4: Like I mean, like it looks it's a totally different deal. 154 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: If now Sam Darnold was your quarterback in twenty twenty 155 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 4: four and you're offloading him to go to Drake May 156 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 4: in twenty five, I mean they may still be playing 157 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: right now, like based on where the rest of the 158 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 4: roster is. And so, you know, I think, like with Quacy, 159 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 4: it was the totality of everything. It was some of 160 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 4: the work hours he kept, and that stuff was out 161 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 4: there and had been kind of circulating at NFL circles 162 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: for quite some time, not as much internally, but externally. 163 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 4: You heard it from a lot of people that were 164 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 4: out on the road scouting, and that sort of stuff 165 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 4: gets around. And I think when you compound that with 166 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 4: mistakes that are made in the draft, and you compound 167 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 4: that with roster building issues and then you do what 168 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: you did at quarterback and it doesn't work out like obviously, 169 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 4: then everybody's going to point right back to the other 170 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: stuff and say that was the problem. And so I 171 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 4: think it's it's the totality of it, and that I 172 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 4: think some of those things shrunk Quasi adopflo Mensa's margin 173 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 4: for error with everything else, and then when he slipped up. 174 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: All that stuff came back to Hannam. 175 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 176 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: I think, and I haven't thought this very often, but 177 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: Clint Kubiak, Fernando Mendoza, I like their general manager. I 178 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: think when they make that move, I worry about Clint Kubiak. 179 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't care who it is, Albert what career. When 180 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: you get your when you get the greatest job you've 181 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: ever had in your career, it is hard to focus. 182 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: I worry a little bit about that with Donald and 183 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: the Seahawks, but I let's talk about that. I think 184 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: this one of the few times I really feel positively 185 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: about the Raiders from Brady's association spy Tech. Clint Kobiac, 186 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza, how is he viewed around the league? And 187 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: you tell me Koubiak's got it? I thought it sounds 188 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: like Arizona wanted him as well. 189 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 5: How is he viewed? 190 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 3: I think this is the highest compliment I can give him. 191 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 4: Like his dad, you know, I think that's that's how 192 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 4: people view him. He carries himself the same sort of way, 193 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: and I think one of the best things you can 194 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 4: say about him is he was genuinely uncomfortable pursuing the 195 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 4: opportunities that were in front of him, because he really 196 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: was truly committed to the Seahawks playoff run. Now everyone 197 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 4: says that, right, like, but the reality is, like, you've 198 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 4: got this job in front of you that could be 199 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 4: the greatest opportunity you'll ever have, and it's hard to 200 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: keep your focus on the task at hand when that's 201 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 4: kind of on the side there. But Clint was very 202 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 4: disciplined about that this. Clint didn't want to didn't want 203 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 4: a big deal made of it. Like I knew some 204 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 4: things here like that were like very difficult to report 205 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 4: about what was going on because Clint was very tight 206 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 4: about the way that he was handling all of this. 207 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: And so I think that that's a I think that's 208 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 4: a good sign of his self awareness, which is an 209 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 4: important piece of being a head coach. We know what 210 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 4: he can do from a scheme standpoint. I think what's 211 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 4: cool about him is that he kind of fell on 212 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 4: his face at the end in New Orleans, and I 213 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 4: know he learned from that and took valuable lessons from that, 214 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 4: and the Seahawks are reaping the rewards of that now, 215 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 4: and I think he'll be able to put together a 216 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 4: good staff like I think there's a possibility he's going 217 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 4: to try to get Jim Schwartz out of Cleveland, yep. 218 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 4: And so now you start to talk about some of 219 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 4: these pieces coming together, and because of his connections in 220 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 4: the league and because of their respecting and genders, now 221 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 4: you can start to build a program. And so obviously 222 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 4: a lot of this is still going to come down 223 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 4: to is Fernando Mendoz the right guy and are they 224 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: able to put the right pieces around the young quarterback? 225 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 4: Like it's always going to come down to that. But 226 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 4: I mean, Clint was in high demand for a reason, 227 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 4: and his name picked up steam in December, and I 228 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 4: think he went from thinking maybe I get one or 229 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 4: two interviews to everyone wanting to talk to him, and 230 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 4: then at the end having his pick of two jobs, 231 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 4: which is pretty remarkable when you consider where he was 232 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 4: a year ago. 233 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm looking at every coach hired, from Mike 234 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: Lafleur to Brady, to Monkin to half Least to Fans, 235 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: Key Harbaugh, Jesse min Or, Mike McCarthy, Robert sla is 236 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: there one of these? 237 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 6: Now? 238 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: Most of us we feel very strongly about a John Harbaugh. 239 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: We're not sure about you know, Todd Munkin, Is there 240 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: one of these hires that if I said to you 241 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: Albert in four years, one of them ended up being 242 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: sneaky good that you looked at it and you went, wow, 243 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: that really fell together. I mean Jmack made this point 244 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: earlier that if you look at Ara Zona's talent, you know, 245 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: mike LeFleur walks in there if they ever get the quarterback, right, Like, 246 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: they have some really interesting elements. 247 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 5: Now, the division's tough, but. 248 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: Is there one to you that you're like that one's 249 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: going to be better than the market thinks today. 250 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 4: So Stefanski's too obvious, right, Like, So I won't go 251 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: Stefanski because I think he was kind of like right 252 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: there with Harbaugh as far as the pursuit teams loved 253 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 4: him and really had a lot of respect for the 254 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 4: job that he did in Cleveland. 255 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 5: Give me, I like. 256 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 4: Jeff Hafley in Miami. 257 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: Wow. 258 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 4: And I like Jeff Hathley in Miami. Here's why, all right? 259 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 4: And I feel the same way about jesse Mentor. But 260 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 4: like that might be a little too easy too, because 261 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 4: the program, Like he's going into a program he was 262 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 4: already in. I like what they're doing because I think 263 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 4: they're focused on the right things. And I think the 264 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 4: front office there before they went out went looked for 265 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: a new general manager, new head coach says we did 266 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 4: not do it a good enough job over the last 267 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 4: four years drafting and developing. They had fewer draft picks 268 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 4: than any team in the league over the last four years. 269 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 4: Like their twenty two draft class was an abject disaster. 270 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 4: There's just not young talent on that roster. And I 271 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 4: look at John Eric Sullivan coming from Green Bay where 272 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 4: they draft and develop their own and that roster always 273 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 4: has good young talent on it. And then I look 274 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 4: at Jeff Hathley, who was there in Green Bay and 275 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 4: was a part of that. Not only that was a 276 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 4: college head coach playing at a disadvantage, right, like at 277 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 4: Boston College where he had to develop young guys to 278 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 4: be competitive. And I just, I mean, when you're talking 279 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 4: about like I always think of it this way, right, 280 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 4: Could I explain this to my eleven year old or 281 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 4: nine year old son, why this is logical? 282 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 6: Right? 283 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 4: Like, I think it's one of those where it's like 284 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 4: we didn't have good enough young talent. We're bringing in 285 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 4: guys who can develop young talent, and so I kind 286 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 4: of like where Miami is, and I think that one 287 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 4: has a chance to look a little bit better than 288 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 4: people think. 289 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: What was around the league? What did people say about 290 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and Steelers to you? 291 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: So I think that one. 292 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 4: The way most people digested it was the Steelers don't 293 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 4: want to be bad and I and I wonder what 294 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 4: this is going to look like in two years because 295 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 4: a lot of people's logic on the Steelers was it's 296 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 4: time now to tear it down right, and it's time 297 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 4: at this point to go in. 298 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 5: Jalen Ramsey's in his thirties, TJ. 299 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: Watson his thirties, Aaron Rodgers in his forties, You're gonna 300 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 4: have to go and find a new quarterback. I think 301 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: it's somewhere like nine of the twenty two starters in 302 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 4: their last game or twenty nine or older. It is 303 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 4: an older team, and it just felt like the right 304 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 4: time to say, we're gonna jam on the reset button, 305 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 4: go with the young coach like we always have, like 306 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 4: a Chris Shula, somebody in their thirties that we can 307 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 4: build around, and maybe we'll be bad in the here 308 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 4: and the now, but like we're going to try to 309 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 4: build this thing back up. And that's not what they did, 310 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 4: you know, Like what they did, I think is Art 311 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 4: Rooney telling you, I want to remain competitive. I don't 312 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 4: want to sink to the bottom of the league. I 313 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 4: want to I want to try to get them get 314 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 4: get get get a little bit more out of the 315 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 4: core I have in place, and the best way to 316 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 4: do that is to bring in a guy who's got 317 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 4: experience and who's won in two different places. So I 318 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 4: think the message here is we don't want to sink 319 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 4: to the bottom of the league. We feel like we 320 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 4: have a team that can still win right now. Whether 321 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 4: they're right or not, I'm not sure, and we'll see. 322 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 4: But it fell to me at the end of the 323 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 4: year like that was a place in need of a reset, 324 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 4: and I don't think that they're gonna gonna go through 325 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 4: a full reset now based on based on who they 326 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 4: hired as their head coach. 327 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 5: Albert Breer. Enjoy it. 328 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: I hope to see at the Volume party on Wednesday, buddy, 329 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: and thanks all right, thanks song you're beat. Of course, 330 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: we'll both be having nice tea, stay laser focused, don't 331 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: stay out late. 332 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 5: All about all about clarity. Jmack. 333 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: We're not out there on the mean streets the Bay Area. 334 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: That's why you got to be careful when you travel 335 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: with Jmack. Things get a little randy. 336 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'm not a lot to be 337 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: joining you. 338 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 7: It's fifty to fifty coin flip, but it depends what's 339 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 7: Is it an open bar? 340 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 5: Are we talking to you? 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Do 359 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 8: it today and you can check all of those out 360 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 8: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get 361 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 8: your podcast. 362 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: Joc Maloney this weekend, that documentary is catching fire. 363 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, opening night, I was there, great, great film. 364 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: It's getting some assorted mixed reviews. 365 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it had a kind of a Godfather vibe to it, 366 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 3: like just an all time classic right out the game. 367 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 5: Jmack with a news. 368 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: News. This is the Herdline News. 369 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 7: All right, you know we love gambling, Colin, and it's 370 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 7: time to start thinking about Super Bowl sixty MVP. I 371 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 7: was surprised to learn that Sam Darnold is the MVP favorite. 372 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 7: I mean it shouldn't be, right, a quarterback of the 373 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 7: team that's favored by four and a half five JSN. 374 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 7: JSN is third, Drake May is second. Okay, so Donald 375 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 7: plus one twenty Drake May plus two thirty five JSN, 376 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 7: followed by Kenneth Walker, who's an interesting choice. With Charbonay 377 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 7: out He's gonna get a lot of duchess. 378 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 5: That's right. 379 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 7: And uh, the Patriots linebackers are not great in coverage. 380 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 3: I don't know that he's gonna have a lot of 381 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 3: running room. 382 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 7: I interestingly, no defensive players in the top six. 383 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: Now, if you like an under like me. 384 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 7: You start looking at some Maine Marcus Lawrence, Marcus Lawrence. 385 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 7: Possibly is there somebody in the secondary? You know, the 386 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 7: same young safety you love? 387 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 3: Imun Wari. I hope I said his name right. 388 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 5: He's tremendous. 389 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 3: Rashidia heb plus three thousand. 390 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could see him having a kickoff for special teams. 391 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 3: He's a beast. 392 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 7: Romandre Stevenson plus twenty eight hundred. Interesting, Yeah, anything. I mean, listen, 393 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 7: if your guy Donald gets MVP, holy cow, you're gonna 394 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 7: be more insufferable than Come on, Darnald going from cast 395 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 7: off by the Jets and the Panthers bench warmer on 396 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 7: the Niners too. 397 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 3: And listen. 398 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: This is the second time Seahawks and Patriots have met 399 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, and I have mixed feelings because 400 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: I grew up in the Northwest. I love the Seahawks, 401 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 1: I love Darnold, but I spent ten years with New 402 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: England And I'm a big I know, Mike Frabel. It's 403 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: if there was a team beyond the Seahawks to win 404 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: it that I'd be happy. 405 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 5: It would be the Patriots. 406 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: So there's certain teams like the Rams here in Los Angeles. Now, 407 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: I know some people with the Bears. You want to 408 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: see people that you like rewarded. So I when these 409 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: two teams meet, I have I just want. I just 410 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: want it to be a really good game. 411 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 7: But don't you want Texas at your sister who's a 412 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 7: big Seahawks fans. 413 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 5: Say, Sehawks, Come on. 414 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 7: We gotta go Seahawks here. We gotta become the Seahawks. 415 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 7: So I will say, I watch your favorite movie, The 416 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 7: Big Short over the weekend. Yeah, and I wonder if 417 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 7: there's a long shot defender that will give out maybe 418 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 7: later on the weekend. There's got to be somebody I 419 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 7: can't go with the quarterbacks, all right, next up, let's 420 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 7: go with the Rams. Some news today, Colin good stuff 421 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 7: in that Sean McVeigh and less need. 422 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: The Dynamic duo head coach and GM. 423 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 7: They have announced a multi year extension for both Rams. 424 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: Came within one game of the Super Bowl. 425 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 7: They were thought to be pretty much the best team 426 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 7: in the league for most of the season. McVeigh has 427 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 7: just been such a home run as a head coach 428 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 7: playoffs in seven of nine seasons. He's ten and six 429 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 7: in the playoffs. And you know what less needs done. Obviously, 430 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 7: in the draft and free agency, d don't Adams. 431 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: They don't miss a lot, you know. I mean they 432 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: draft and develop and they don't miss a lot. And 433 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: if you look at that offense, is Higbe the tight 434 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: end and Kyron Williams and Puka Nakua great roster, Jordan Whittingham, 435 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of third, four, fifths, six round 436 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: guys that can really play all right. 437 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 7: Final story is Green Bay Packers have a new defensive 438 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 7: coordinator and that's Jonathan Gannon. 439 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 3: He will replace Jeff Haffley. 440 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 7: By the way, the Albert Breer take on Jeff Haffley 441 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 7: with Dad had to be floored that Hafley's going to 442 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 7: be a home run. 443 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 3: I like this Gannon move. 444 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 7: By the way, obviously, having Micah Parsons back in Green 445 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 7: Bay will be very important. 446 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 3: Again, it was thought to be a good defensive mind. 447 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 7: It didn't totally translate with the Cardinals, but it's Arizona, 448 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 7: they don't have a ton of talent. 449 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: Any thoughts on Gannon in Green Bay? 450 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I know one person in 451 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: the league who knows him and speaks highly of him, 452 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: And I think Green Bay's a place where they have 453 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: their act together. So most of the time, if you 454 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: go to Green Bay, you know you're working in a 455 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: really smart work environment. And I thought Halfley was great. 456 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, he was good. 457 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 5: So remember he's getting a healthy Micah Parsons. 458 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 7: Well with Micah. Hafley was great. Without him, they start 459 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 7: to hemorrhage points at the end. 460 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 5: Ye, that's right. 461 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 2: J McK of the news, Well, that's the news, and 462 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: thanks for stopping by The Herdline. 463 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: News Lincoln Riley at USC's around the corner. 464 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 465 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: and Noone Eastern a em Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 466 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 467 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: Well, Big ten schedules came out and there's so many 468 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: interesting things about what NIL is doing to college football 469 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: and college basketball. 470 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 5: The rosters are older. 471 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: I saw something the other day where the last three 472 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: national champions Michigan, Ohio State, Indiana are older teams and 473 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: like all these young freshmen you bring in their flashy 474 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: you want mustaches and beards on your football team. And 475 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: Lincoln Ronniey, the USC coach who just got his big 476 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: ten schedule. You know, it's interesting you actually have both. 477 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: You have a number one recruiting class in the country. 478 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: But I want you to talk about that how nil? 479 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: I mean, the bottom line is, if I have a 480 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: guy that's been in my weight room four years opposed 481 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: to right out of high school, do. 482 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 5: You have do you do? 483 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: You believe you have enough twenty three year olds to 484 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: compete for the national championship next year? 485 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 6: We do, we do. 486 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 9: We've got a good mix of you know, the freshman 487 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 9: class that you referenced, a really good freshman class that 488 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 9: came in that think provides some talent and depth and 489 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 9: really I think just upgrades our roster. But honestly, most importantly, 490 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 9: we were earn so many guys, especially at key positions, 491 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 9: guys that have been major contributors for us the last 492 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 9: few years. We're going to be very experienced at O line, 493 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 9: at quarterback, at running back, at linebacker, at defensive line, 494 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 9: so kind of those core positions on your football team. 495 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 9: We're going to have a nice mix of experience guys 496 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 9: that have done it with also a really really talented 497 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 9: freshman class that we expect several of those guys to 498 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 9: come in and contribute as well. 499 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: So two players I want to talk about. Lemon, the 500 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: receiver is a remarkable player. I have been told, and 501 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: I two people in the NFL have said, I'll deny 502 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: it if you say it. They think he is a 503 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: kind of a JSN player that could go mid first 504 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: and beat dynamic as a rookie in the NFL. Makai Lemon, 505 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: did you think he would be this good? When did 506 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: you drive home one day and go and this kid 507 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: is different because he's got a little JSN route, running hands, 508 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: strong hands. Once he gets it, you can't get it away. 509 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: But not a burner. When did you realize how good 510 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: he was? 511 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 9: Yeah, the two comps I hear the most are JSN 512 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 9: and then Saint Brown, even past just the USC ties, 513 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 9: and he's a special player. He just got better and 514 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 9: better as time went through. He got more confident, he 515 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 9: was able to stay healthy. And I think the time 516 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 9: we really started to see what this kid could be 517 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 9: was a year ago. 518 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 6: Kind of the back half of that year. 519 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 9: He really started playing well, really established himself as the 520 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 9: best receiver on our roster, and then from there, even 521 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 9: though he started to have some success, it's like that 522 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 9: fueled more confidence, it fueled the work ethic continuing to grow, 523 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 9: and he just he just got better and better. And 524 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 9: he's just such a consistent player. He was so easy 525 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 9: to teach, so easy to coach because he was hungry 526 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 9: and really understands the game on top of having some 527 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 9: of the physical skills. 528 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 6: So yeah, I think this is a guy. 529 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 9: I think that could fit in at any offense at 530 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 9: the next level, does so many things well, and somebody's 531 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 9: going to be really happy with this kid. 532 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: So I defended you and usc about the Notre Dame game, 533 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: and my take was, go look at the Big ten schedule, folks, 534 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: give me a break. Indiana is now formidable. Iowa should 535 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: have beaten Indiana. Penn State hired Matt Campbell, excellent coach, 536 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: you know him well, Michigan Ohio State, and my takeaway 537 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: was I saw I saw a fan the other day 538 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: and I said, do you know where the Notre Dame 539 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: game would go? That'd go right in between Ohio State 540 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: and Indiana. You really think that's the way to get 541 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: to the playoff. So when people push back on that, 542 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: your take. 543 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: Was, what. 544 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 6: Two things? 545 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 9: I mean, one, we tried to allow for the game 546 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 9: to continue, the other side didn't, and that therefore it's 547 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 9: not going to get played the next few years. And 548 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 9: then past that, like our strength to schedule. The quality 549 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 9: competition that we're going to play both here in LA 550 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 9: at the Coliseum and on the right road is as 551 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 9: good as anybody in the country. And that's part of 552 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 9: being in this league. So we're excited about our schedule. 553 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 9: We got a lot of great games, a lot of 554 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 9: great challenges that are coming up that will give our team, 555 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 9: our program a chance to prove everything that we want 556 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 9: to prove next year. 557 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 5: Jade and myavas coming back. 558 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: It is unbelievable how many top Big ten quarterbacks are 559 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: going to be Sunday players. I thought he was about, 560 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, second round player. I'm like, he could use 561 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: an extra year. I'm not sure did you have to 562 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: re recruit him or did he come to you and say, hey, 563 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: listen if the nil thing worked, because I think he's 564 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: a Sunday player, but you really transformed him this year. 565 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: I didn't think that a year and a half ago 566 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: mid season, I went, wow, I remember the Illinois game going. Man, 567 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: he is making really tough throws. How good can he be? 568 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 6: I think he can be really good. 569 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 9: As you said that, the difference from two years ago 570 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 9: to last year, how much he improved, his awareness, his. 571 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 6: Confidence, his command of the offense was so much better. 572 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 9: And I think those of us around him feel this 573 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 9: kid's still got a whole other level to his game 574 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 9: and still so much he can improve on. So he 575 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 9: was all in really from the beginning for returning for 576 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 9: next year. 577 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 6: I think he knows what this team's capable of. 578 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 9: I know that he wants to continue to improve as 579 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 9: a player and lead this program and has a lot 580 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 9: of unfinished business here at to see. 581 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 6: So glad to have him back. 582 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 9: It's obviously a key position to be able to return 583 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 9: a guy that's been productive, that's been consistent, has experienced 584 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 9: he does, so a great thing for our program to 585 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 9: have Jaden back. 586 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: A lot of people grumble about the nil, but I 587 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: don't get the Indiana story without it, and I love 588 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: that story, and I don't get the Old miss story 589 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: without it. And I was getting tired of Alabama and Clemson. 590 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: I like the Blue Bloods. I love the sport now 591 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: that things have settled with the nil Is there anything 592 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: that you love about it? I know it's not traditional, 593 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: but is there anything you're like? You know what, guys, 594 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: this part of it is excellent. 595 00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 6: I think the parody. 596 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 9: I think it's what you said, it's stories that wouldn't 597 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 9: have happened before that are happening now. I mean now 598 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 9: you know now there's not just one part of the 599 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 9: country paying players. 600 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 6: Everybody's able to do it. 601 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 9: And it's a great thing because I do think it's 602 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 9: created a much more level playing field, and it's given 603 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 9: schools the opportunity to really compete if they want to invest. 604 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 9: And I think it's been a great thing for players. 605 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 9: We all know there's still parts of it to be 606 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 9: worked out. It's obviously not a finished product by any 607 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 9: stretch of the imagination, but it has gotten better. There 608 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 9: has been a lot of positives, and I think you're 609 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 9: going to continue to see a lot of great stories, 610 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 9: a lot of new opportunities for all different types of 611 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 9: program programs, which I think is really good for the 612 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 9: sport as a whole. 613 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: Hey, before we go, your new DC Gary Patterson, do 614 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 1: you know he plays a mean guitar. 615 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 5: Have you ever heard him? 616 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 6: Oh, yes I have, I've heard it live. 617 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 5: Oh wow. 618 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 6: Yeah. 619 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's telling the dude, congratulate you. 620 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 6: He can do it, he can do it. 621 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 9: We do a coaches a Coach's charity golf tournament Pebble 622 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 9: Beach every year, and so every year he gets up 623 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 9: on the guitar and entertains the crowd. 624 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 6: He's pretty good. 625 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 5: Hey, good seeing again, coach. 626 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 6: You two gone? 627 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: Thanks all right, Lincoln Riley, Yeah, it's really interesting about NILJ. 628 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 5: Mac Like, you get older players, and if. 629 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: I went there was a graph on the internet Michigan, 630 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: Ohio stated Indiana a lot of twenty three year old dudes. Yeah, 631 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: and so that's why what does that help the fan? Well, 632 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: you watched Indiana Miami. It felt a little bit like 633 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: a pro game. Yeah, Like I mean the Miami was 634 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: running like half zone, half man demand Indiana's fourth down 635 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: play calls. You're like, this is really high end level football. 636 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: It's not pro, but it's not college from eight years ago. 637 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: And I think the sport, the quality of the games 638 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: and quarterback play. I think college football with older players 639 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: has just gotten smarter. 640 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 3: Oh definitely. 641 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 7: And I like his little dig there more than one 642 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 7: part of the country paying players. 643 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 3: Very nicely done, Lincoln. 644 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 7: That was a five star jab You've been saying the 645 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 7: same thing. 646 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people have said it. I 647 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 3: just like how he slid it in there. 648 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 649 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, Notre Dame. I was at the air game. 650 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: I was at the airport yesterday. A couple of Notre damers, 651 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: the husband and the wife. The wife's name was Ginger. 652 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: They want to see USC a Notre Dame play. 653 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 6: Yeah. 654 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: I don't think Lincoln Riley wants to see that. 655 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: Well, I told those Notre Dame fans, I said, well, 656 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: when you guys play, maybe a varsity schedule instead of 657 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: the JV what are you calling it a Big twelve schedule? 658 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: I mean, go look at Notre Dame schedule and any 659 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: Big ten schedule. Go look at Ohio State schedule, Go 660 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: look at Texas's schedule, and look at Notre Dames. 661 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 3: Don't hat the player, hate the game, that's. 662 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 5: Right, don't hate the player. All right, we got through it. 663 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 5: Super Bowl Week got Christian McCaffrey coming on this week.