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Speaker 1: Saudi arab but to make a lot of money. There's

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Speaker 1: been a lot of people, there's a lot of companies

428
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Speaker 1: that have gone over there to make money. Um. So

429
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Speaker 1: I think in that case, I don't think the major

430
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Speaker 1: champion chips are going to get into where you know,

431
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Speaker 1: where the money came from all these kind of things, right, Well,

432
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Speaker 1: I mean to put it more bluntly, how many how

433
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Speaker 1: many Augustin National members are making money in Saudi Arabia?

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Speaker 1: Half two thirds? You know, like, yeah, that's that's not

435
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Speaker 1: a fight they want. I mean, um, there's on for

436
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, exactly. Again, when when you look

437
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: at the European PGA Tour, it would not exist without

438
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: the money from oppressive regimes. All their biggest persons come

439
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: from China, from Saudi Arabia, from the United Arab Emirates.

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Speaker 1: And so I don't think the professional golf wants to

441
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Speaker 1: start weighing in on the legitimacy of the money, like

442
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: I think it just is and it's been accepted. Um.

443
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: But what the fans are different fans They can vote

444
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: with their their pocketbooks and uh, you know you saw

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00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: that with h and again ups dropping Lee Westwood and

446
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: um and Luis Tais is interesting. But I'm sure you

447
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: can still send a you know, box sees candy to

448
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 1: someone who stationed over in Saudi Arabia through ups like

449
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: are they can start doing business over there? Probably not.

450
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: Are they going to drop these golfers and make this

451
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: this somewhat hollow public gesture they already have. But there's

452
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: many layers of irony and or hypocrisy in this whole situation.

453
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Speaker 1: And um, it's where it gets. I think that that

454
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Speaker 1: these gray areas are allowing people to operate and uh

455
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: and and kind of come to terms with this whole

456
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: situation say, well, there's there's a lot of examples of

457
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: people making money over there. I'm just gonna I'm just

458
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: gonna join the chorus. So it's a very complicated, very

459
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Speaker 1: interesting situation to the point where Greg Norman says that

460
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Speaker 1: Jack Nicholas is a hypocrite for what he said and

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Speaker 1: how he said it building a golf course in Saudi

462
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Speaker 1: Arabia and then denouncing uh live golf and saying I

463
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Speaker 1: turned that job down. I mean, the whole thing is

464
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: the whole thing is insane. I mean I've been covering golf.

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Speaker 1: I still can't wrap my head around the idea that

466
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Speaker 1: Phil is going and Jack didn't go, or Tiger passed

467
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Speaker 1: on a reportedly billion you know, a billion dollar offer.

468
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Speaker 1: I mean, guys, this is you know, and and the

469
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Speaker 1: other thing is is and I think we can all

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Speaker 1: agree that the PGA Tour has overstepped their kind of

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Speaker 1: control of what is deemed professional golf. And you've got

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Speaker 1: these these other tours in which players are grinding it

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Speaker 1: out and not making money, and the tour is restricting

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Speaker 1: how much they can make on those tours to make

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Speaker 1: sure that they keep trying to play. You know, for

476
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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, the craziness that is unfolding in front

477
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Speaker 1: of us right now and for the foreseeable future as

478
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Speaker 1: it relates to professional golf is mind bending at at

479
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Speaker 1: at a level that I I just every ten minutes,

480
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure figure out how I feel and

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Speaker 1: what I should think and and and to that point,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to some at all like

483
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Speaker 1: an apology for the PGA Tour, because I think many

484
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: weeks they've got boring tournaments for boring players on boring courses.

485
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: They've they've they've robbed the players of their personalities by

486
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Speaker 1: pushing all these statistics at us and actually uh changing

487
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Speaker 1: the very nature of the game that sort of opened

488
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Speaker 1: up the door to this happening in the first place.

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Speaker 1: So there really is nobody you know in a white

490
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Speaker 1: hat here, Ryan, I mean, of all the things, the

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Speaker 1: p G A Tour and sort of your relationship with

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Speaker 1: the tour and like I mean, deep down inside me,

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Speaker 1: if this wasn't so forward facing of blood money and

494
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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia money, I would be cheering on live golf

495
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Speaker 1: so hard. I'd be like, Yes, we finally got somebody

496
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Speaker 1: to take on the the the the obnoxiousness of the

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Speaker 1: p G A freaking tour, which is outrageously out of Matt. Matt.

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Speaker 1: It should be noted that Bill Michelson has a registered

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Speaker 1: train mark and an n f T or whatever that

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Speaker 1: thing is called. On the word obnoxiousness, I'm sorry, without

501
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: your without his express written permission, this podcast going to

502
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Speaker 1: use that word, um mac mac right, Like I mean,

503
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Speaker 1: you and I have had enough conversations where it's like

504
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Speaker 1: something has got to change and part of me and

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Speaker 1: Michelson and I actually exchange tweets back going back to

506
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Speaker 1: a t and t about Michelson has since she's saying,

507
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Speaker 1: you know, You've got a lot of the same complaints

508
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Speaker 1: I have, and it was like, yeah, we do, but

509
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Speaker 1: I'm not doing it with Saudi Arabia. I mean there

510
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Speaker 1: there's there is something to be said for the idea

511
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Speaker 1: that part of me is kind of rooting for this

512
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Speaker 1: to actually be an agent of change. I I'm sorry,

513
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: that's the way I feel. Well, there's there's you know,

514
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Speaker 1: on one side, there's too much golf on TV. It's

515
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: every week, every week, every week, the same you know

516
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: TF on Thursday. But on the flip side, you know,

517
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Speaker 1: there's so much, so many more good players than they

518
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: were twenty five years ago when they came up with

519
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: the Hogan Tour that turned into the Nike Tour. To

520
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: the web dot com or buy dot com. Um, there

521
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: isn't enough space underneath the tour. And this is what

522
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: we talked about when they found the extra money. I

523
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: was like, man, I wish they would have put that

524
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: some more money in the corn ferry and built me

525
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: another tournament level under the theory to get these guys playing.

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00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: Going back to the baseball analogy, Yeah, so absolutely, if

527
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Speaker 1: they there there was just a void. I mean again

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Speaker 1: the amount of people that would if you put tournaments on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for an example, we did a tournament Frederica

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Speaker 1: that we helped. We did a g pro event there.

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Speaker 1: It's a little mini tour event and it was the

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Speaker 1: first thirty six was at ce Palms and then the

533
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Speaker 1: top thirty and ties got to play frederic in the

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Speaker 1: last day. And that thing filled up so fast at

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Speaker 1: a thousand dollars or twells a person. And I mean

536
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: and first prize was twelve grand and it filled up

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Speaker 1: like that. I mean, so there was a there was

538
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Speaker 1: a need that wasn't being failed. Now it got failed

539
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: from the top. But this is what I think will happen.

540
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: I hope that would happen from this from the tour

541
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Speaker 1: is that they will create more opportunities for people to

542
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: play and and to survive. Well, I think it's for

543
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: the casual fan. He's trying to make sense of all this.

544
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: The best outcome potentially is that this this lights a

545
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Speaker 1: fire under the PGA Tour two improve its product and

546
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: its presentation. You know, golf on TV is just emerging

547
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: into the nineties. Maybe they're still there. I'm not sure.

548
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: That you even reach the one century, but make make

549
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: the TV presentation much more modern and cooler and more

550
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: access to the players, more much better social media. Much

551
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: like the tour got fat and happy because they never

552
00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: had competition, and now they've got a huge competitor. It

553
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Speaker 1: has a lot more money and seems a lot more motivation.

554
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: So if you're trying to make sense of this from

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Speaker 1: a fan perspective, maybe this is a good thing. It's like, um,

556
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: it'll first, it'll for it'll compel the PGA Tour to

557
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: improve and more dynamic formats for its events, better golf courses,

558
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: and you can go on down the list of ways

559
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Speaker 1: that the tour could be more fun and more dynamic.

560
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: And um, if if the saludy schedule evolves, and you know,

561
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Speaker 1: maybe it gives us some good tournaments in the fall

562
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: that you know, it's kind of lacking on the pg Tour,

563
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: maybe that feels a void too. I mean, this could

564
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Speaker 1: be a win for fans, um And I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: if they care about the geopolitics the way we do

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Speaker 1: and what it all means, but um, you know, they

567
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: like they like watching golfers play golf, and if you know,

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00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: this live event I don't really even understand that that

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Speaker 1: the team component. I think it sounds like a turkey,

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Speaker 1: But maybe it'll turn out to be cool and you

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Speaker 1: give give bonus points for trying. You know, we all,

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Speaker 1: we all suffer in the TV windows when you turn

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Speaker 1: on the TV on Thursday afternoon and Tiger Whoevers already

574
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 1: finished the round and you can get to watch it.

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00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: You know, the shotgun start alleviates that it was on

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00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: the golf course at the same time, so it'll be

577
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: different viewing experience. Um So, I don't know. It's it's

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00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: this could be a win for golf fans, but it's

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Speaker 1: definitely gonna it's a chaotic moment. It's gonna take a

580
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: little time to sort out. I can't I can't wait.

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00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch some I can't wait to

582
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: watch Phil Mickelson like get his card and he's like thirteen.

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Speaker 1: You know, the horrible walk you have to make when

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Speaker 1: you have a shotguns start and you're like, where's thirteen.

585
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: Everybody's pointing that, like where's thirteen? Oh, that's four, that's

586
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: that's Johnson just wandering around like, oh shoot, I don't

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00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: know where the fifty is And you know evolve been

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00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: to a scribble. We all know that there's some poor

589
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: bastard who cannot find the team. You know where six is? Yeah?

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00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: The ogl tree is just like where's even? Where are

591
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: seven riding around on the backs of cards? You know,

592
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: making going through fairways? Yeah? Where's my car? Where do

593
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: I park it? You know? Where I picket? Can I

594
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: drive in it? After? Should I leave the key in it?

595
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: Or do I take the key with me? Right? You

596
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: have it dead to rights? And poor Indian treat he

597
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: saw even in six A. He's in six B. So

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Speaker 1: he's gotta wait for the other group and then yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then he's gonna be the longest walk I mean,

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Speaker 1: Chase Keptco. They're gonna be like I mean, I tweeted

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00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: it out, like you know, in golf. This was a

602
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: moment that I realized I wasn't in good golfer. So

603
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: I grew up in northern Michigan town. I was always

604
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Speaker 1: one A in high school. And then I went to

605
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Speaker 1: my first big junior tournament and I grabbed the card

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Speaker 1: and they're like thirteen B and I'm like, oh shit,

607
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: I'm not very good. Chase Kepco is gonna be like

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Speaker 1: thirteen B. You know, it'll be and Chase and they'll

609
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Speaker 1: be like, well, you have a seven and a half

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00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: mile walk out to gonna try to ogle. She's gonna

611
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: try to call Mac to get directions to thirteen. But

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00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like he's gonna be all fucket And

613
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: this guy has never used the word fuck in his life.

614
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: And he's like, Wow, get me onto the get me

615
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: onto the Nike Tour. I don't care what they call it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you know, not to get all crazy here,

617
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: but you are doubling down with Trump. You know, two

618
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: of these events are already what two events or Trump

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Speaker 1: Edminster and and Trump Miami Norman and Trump ere thing

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Speaker 1: uh there. Simon Gidman is the architect of Centurion. Simon

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Speaker 1: Gidman worked with Martin Hawtrey. Martin Hawtrey built Trump Aberdeen,

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Speaker 1: So there's you know, I'm sure they were around figuring

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Speaker 1: out like who what courses might have an associates a

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Speaker 1: private golf course, you know, outside of London. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that had anything to do with it,

626
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: but I'm sure there's something along those lines. Mac. I

627
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: was curious, is too when you said Andy gets no

628
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: upfront money, and I thought, and I'm probably mixing the

629
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: Premier Golf League with Live Golf League, but I thought

630
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: the structure was always they'd pay the big money to

631
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Speaker 1: the team captain. The team captain then how to use

632
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: that money to entice or to pay out the teammates.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how is do you have any sense of

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Speaker 1: how these teams are going to be formed and what

635
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: it all means now why it matters? Obviously I've got

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Speaker 1: an n d A through Andy stuff. But the way

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Speaker 1: I understand it is they have twelve team captains and

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00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: kind of like they do a pro am draw, they

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Speaker 1: have a draw where they picked their team. So I'm

640
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: assuming Phil will have a team and Leo have a team,

641
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: and so I think they do just like a baseball draft.

642
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: They just go pick and you and then you back

643
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: it off and until they picked three guys. Um, honestly,

644
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: I have no I had no idea about that that

645
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: could be interesting at least for a little while. Like

646
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: the poor people that are left. You know, you gotta

647
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: televise that that would actually be amazing. That it's too

648
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: beastball or three best ball. I think it's like two

649
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: best ball or three best ball for the team, so

650
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: you could you could finish last but make a birdie

651
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: on your last hold to you know, to move her

652
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: because I don't. Again, I don't know how they do that.

653
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: B back, what about dead last in the stroke play competition?

654
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: What would that pay a guy? Alright, well, that's guaranteed money,

655
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: guaranteed money and guaranteed individual money. Yeah. No, No, the

656
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: team the team money is only paying like a certain

657
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: top team's top three or something. But they're giving it

658
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: out every week. I mean there's team money every single week,

659
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: and there's there's a year long leaderboard. And the fact

660
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: that we have five people on here who fall a

661
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: golf pretty closely and we don't even really know how

662
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna work speaks to how nutty it is and

663
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: maybe how poorly they've educated the fans. It's just kind

664
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: of like just one more layer a quick brown table.

665
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: How many events have spelled gonna play? How many live events?

666
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: Anybody think other than it? Now? I mean he didn't

667
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: he didn't use the words like Kevin nodded, but Phil

668
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: in his statement he released stay basically resigned from the

669
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. I mean, it was pretty clear he's done,

670
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: and that's a whole other podcast, probably the legal aspect.

671
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's clever for these guys to

672
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: resign their tour membership because now the tour can't suspend them.

673
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: Was like, hey, I'm not I'm not a member. You

674
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: can't touch me and um, so you know, this is

675
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: totally off the subject. Well not totally, but I don't

676
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: know if you guys saw, but Sam Harrap is the

677
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: guy who sings the funny songs, and he tweeted today

678
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: that the last paragraph has double spaces between the uh,

679
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: the periods and the first two paragraphs have single spaces.

680
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: So his surmise was that Phil added the second the

681
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: last paragraph. If you go look at the statement, it's

682
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: three paragraphs. The first two paragraphs only have one space,

683
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: but after a period, the second the last paragraph has

684
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: two spaces. So he's surmising that Phil added the last paragraph.

685
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting Sam to come up with that. I mean,

686
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: that's so obvious. Alan, Can I ask you your your

687
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: your your reading of the of the of Phil statement?

688
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: What what did what did you pick up on that

689
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: others might not about the story behind the story. Yeah,

690
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean the talking about the therapy you know, that's

691
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: like that that's such a private thing to make public

692
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: like And I guess it's just part of this. This

693
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: is the fact that fills an underground through all of this,

694
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: and it doesn't appear there's gonna be any big apology tory,

695
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of thought, well, before he returns

696
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: to Golfield, we'll go on Oprah and he'll do all

697
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: these controlled things. I mean, here we are, it's Monday.

698
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: He's just jetting into London, um, and he's just gonna

699
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: play play golf turn like nothing ever happened with the

700
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: last four months. I think I think that's another way

701
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: of him trying to get out in front of this

702
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: is like there's a there's It's just like the last

703
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: paragraph of his previous statement hinted at some deep stuff.

704
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's, you know, he he's read

705
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: my book. Now he realizes he can survive that. He's

706
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: worried about what's in Billy Walter's book. He might be

707
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: worried about what else is going to come out about

708
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: his life away from golf. And these are just sort

709
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: of preemptive strikes. But um, you know, I I that

710
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: was the most striking thing to me because I'm not

711
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: a public figure like Phil, But I don't know if

712
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: I'd be talking about my my therapy in in that

713
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: kind of a setting. You know. It's, um, it was

714
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: very personal in that regard and almost felt a little

715
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: um too much. So, but I think I think Phil

716
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: again is just trying to get out in front of things.

717
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: So that that that was my big takeaway. You know,

718
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: there's a political rehab handbook of things to do and say,

719
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know, yeah, but he's yeah, you know,

720
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: but that was I mean, think about like tigers return

721
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: to golf, how controlled it was, you know, the five

722
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: minute interviews with a couple of things and the public

723
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: statement where he didn't take questions, and like there was

724
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: a whole series of things to build back up to

725
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: his return, and you know, his scandal was it was

726
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: more personal and more salacious. But and you know, in

727
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: some ways, Phil's Phil's world has been rocked in the

728
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: same fashion as Tigers and feels like I'm just gonna

729
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: go play a golf tournament, not a big deal. You know,

730
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: I'll put I'll put out one thing on social media,

731
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: and um, I'll be really curious if they if he

732
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: does any Q and A s because he's not. This

733
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: is not the Golf press, this is the Fleet Street headline,

734
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, grabbing rapid dogs of of of the London press.

735
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: Like so, I don't know if Phil wants to step

736
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: into an open mic situation in there or not, but um,

737
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: it would be fascinating. And uh, you know, of course

738
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna fly from there right in the

739
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: Brooklyn said he wants to play the majors, So that

740
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: means he's gonna be the U s open trying to

741
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: complete this elusive career Grand Slam and all that. So

742
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: like he's gonna have to face the music at some point.

743
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: But how he manages his his time in London what

744
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: will be interesting? So filmmickers and steps Phil Phil Mickelson

745
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: steps up to the microphone in London and you're in

746
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: the room, Michael, what is the what's the back there

747
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: in the back Michael Bamber or what? What? What question

748
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: do you have for film? Mickles Well? Interesting question, Matt.

749
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: You know, how do you see the ring? You had everything?

750
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: Why wasn't it enough? Great question? Alan, Uh yeah, Mr

751
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: ship Knuck wrote three there in the what what what

752
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: would you like to ask ships well, you know, yeah,

753
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: I mean exactly. I would say to Phil, you know

754
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: you you took these four months to reflect and to

755
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: become a better man in your own words. You know,

756
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: what did you learn about yourself? And how have you

757
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: made these changes and how have you improved? I'm very

758
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: curious about that. Ryan, would you have a question I knew,

759
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: I knew it the same fucking thing, aboyt the question

760
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: about the design of Augusta After Jeff Jeff Ogilvie. I

761
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: have two of the greatest fucking golf reporters of my time,

762
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: and I have to follow up their fucking questions to

763
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: Phil Michelson, righty, right time, man every time, like just

764
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: oh hey, let's put Ryan in the in the shooting range.

765
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: We'll talk. We'll ask him about uh Augusta's changes. To Joe, Ryan,

766
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: you're and Alan Shipnik about what question I'd ask film

767
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: fucking Michelson because you always have Tory pines and the

768
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: white scoff redo. You could revisit that old work course.

769
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: Ryan's question will be like when you won that Challenge

770
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: Tour event in France, how did that affect your your

771
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: playing status for the following PGA Tour season, Like, alright, Ryan,

772
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a cheat. How about something related

773
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: to bones, bones versus him? Who's a better caddy? How

774
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 1: about you got something else? Lets that would be good,

775
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: That would be interesting, That would be interesting. I have

776
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: nothing to ask Phil Michelson, because Michael Beberg and all

777
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: should make just as I would just I would ask,

778
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: I would I would ask. I wouldn't just ask about

779
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: kind of what seemingly has been a dual life? Has it?

780
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: Has it? You know, has it been exhausting to live

781
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: these two lives in which you you're off the course

782
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing and on the course doing what

783
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: you're doing, and you've you took so much on your shoulders,

784
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: both on and off the course. Are you looking forward to,

785
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: like actually living one life? You know in theory, if

786
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,280
Speaker 1: he's done the work, if he's done the reflect action,

787
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: or if he's getting on board with sort of being

788
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: a better man, I mean, that would be my question.

789
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: That has to be just like what Tiger's life was

790
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: seemingly for so long, that has to be so at

791
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: least John Daily lives one life that's got to be

792
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: exhausting too. But it's it's one life, and it's out

793
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: in front, and it's it's telling you that Dustin Jonathan

794
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: lives one life. Brooks kept your lives one life. Phil

795
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: Nicholson lived two full lives simultaneously. Is he looking forward

796
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: to one life? Yeah? I mean that's a really good point.

797
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: Is there some sort of relief from all of this

798
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: being out and now he can just like, you know,

799
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: be who he who he is. Whether he can do

800
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: that is obviously another question. But well, if you know,

801
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: if you saw that USA Today's story from a couple

802
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and the reporter kind of tracked down

803
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: Phil's mom and she said, more or less, he's the

804
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: happiest I've ever seen him. And you know, I think

805
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: I think this artifice has been built up around Phil,

806
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: and I think it was exhausting, and I think this

807
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: set him free in a lot of ways. He doesn't

808
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: have any corporate masters anymore. He doesn't have to live

809
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: up to this impossible image, and he can just play

810
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 1: golf in cash checks and try and have some fun.

811
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: And I think he feels unburdened, you know, And so

812
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: I think there's something to all that mac in the

813
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: big picture of you know, giving your role in the

814
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: game of golf, and and and different relationships you've had

815
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: with people who are close to fill or not close

816
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: to fil like in the big scheme of things like

817
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: is this is he kind of the very bonds of

818
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: steroids in terms of like he's the guy that is

819
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: going to be the face at forever, for the foreseeable

820
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: future of whatever is this live golf situation? And do

821
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: you think it actually really you know, messes with his legacy? Yeah,

822
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: I mean I can't answer it really. Um. I mean

823
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 1: a few people I'll talk to you know that most

824
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: people you know are mad that he messed up the

825
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: status quo. You know, they're mad about you know, all

826
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: the things. And then you know the part of him

827
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: being actually human. I think everybody knows it. He may

828
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: not want to admit it, but um does. I think

829
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: it all comes down now to what happens. I mean,

830
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like the lives going anywhere. The PGA

831
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: tours now got a line drawn into sand. There's gonna

832
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: be a lot of you know, there's gonna be a

833
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: probably a lot of lawyers making a lot of money

834
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: talking about what they can and can't do. Um. So

835
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: I think it'll all it's what transpires in the next

836
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: five years, you know, as a cordon who's who's right? Um?

837
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like you guys say, public sentiment, you know,

838
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: can say, well we don't want them doing this, But

839
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: what did the courts really say about these guys? And

840
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: that's a really interesting thing. I mean for me, that's

841
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: gonna be really because I've always been you know, I

842
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: mean you guys, if you've seen the tour persons increased,

843
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: like I've seen him increase with thirty you know, for

844
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: thirty years when I had a guy that he didn't

845
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: make a hundred grand one year and he kept his card.

846
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: He was in um and now you see God make

847
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: seven thousand and he loses his card. I mean he

848
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: gets wealthy. So I mean that's pretty amazing what they did, right, Um,

849
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: But they did they But did they have a blind

850
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: spot to what was out there? Were they play in

851
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: checkers and not chess? And this is we'll all know this,

852
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: I guess through the courts. And I think looking you know,

853
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: our history is the victors always always write history. So

854
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: it'll it'll just come down to I think it'll be revisionists.

855
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: It'll be looking back, people will forget the little things

856
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: and it'll just this is what happened, That the tour

857
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: was the tour right along all along? Or did the

858
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: players have more rights than they were being told? And

859
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: all that right there will come unwound with this, I think, Michael, well,

860
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: this is so low down on the list of things

861
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: that as issues have arisen from this. But I would

862
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: be curious to pull you guys and all off from

863
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: my opinion after you do the fact that Jack Nicholas,

864
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: now I think most people know him. A fan of

865
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholas, I feel like I can see Jack Nicholas

866
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 1: in a broadway, but let's leave that aside. He represents

867
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: really a direct line, certainly to Hogan and to Jones,

868
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: and you know, the straight line of twentieth century twentieth

869
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: century golf. The fact that Greg Norman, who was a great,

870
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: great player in his own right but nothing on the

871
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: along the order of Jack Nicholas, would call Jack a

872
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: hypocrite is so ungentlemanly and so ungracious, and so outside

873
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: the norm of what golf is supposed to be. And

874
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: I was really struck by that. But I'd like to know,

875
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, you're all opinion how how that strikes you, well,

876
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: the same way that it struck me when Phil Mickelson

877
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: got up and ripped Tom Watson at at the Ryder

878
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: Cup tip. I mean, I just I think ungentlemanly is

879
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: is a good way of saying But I also, I mean,

880
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't really have like Greg Norman. Greg Norman, to

881
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: me is has been a cartoon character for so long,

882
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: and I've heard so many things about him. I I

883
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: just I think what you wrote about Jack, and sort

884
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: of at the end of the day, you know, he's

885
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholas. Did I I was a little disturbed by

886
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: his relationship with Donald Trump and what he said, but

887
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: I also knew he wanted the money for a hospital,

888
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: children's hospital, you know, like I almost gave him like passes,

889
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: feeling like, well he's of that generation. It's like I

890
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: just give him. I just he's kind of like the

891
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: way I see some of my uncles, you know, and

892
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: and and my dad for that matter. It's like it's

893
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: just different generations. So if I'm picking between Greg Norman

894
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: and Jack Nicholas, I'm picking Jack Nicholas, you know, every day,

895
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I think they're

896
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: They're all kind of immersed and engulfed in this whole thing.

897
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: That's that's It's just it's a lot. It's like, at

898
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's still a lot of

899
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: garbage in there. It's you know, everyone's blinded by the money.

900
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: But don't forget this is for Norman. This is payback

901
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: that goes back three decades. Yeah, he's been sitting on

902
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: this for a long time now. I mean he got

903
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: he had this idea in the early nineties for this

904
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: global world tour and he got out fox and humiliated

905
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: by Tim Finchon, who stole his idea and created the

906
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: World Golf Championships and created the President's Cup, and Norman

907
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: was left as kind of this out on the outside

908
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: looking in. And so I know that even though Norman's

909
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: taking a lot of straff and all for him, it's

910
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: worth it. It's not just about the money. This is

911
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: this is about redemped It's a redemption story for him.

912
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: And there's an element of that with Phil too. You know,

913
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: they were never buddies, but they're you know, Greg and

914
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: Phil are kind of these kindred spirits and the fact

915
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: that they've come together at this moment to completely blow

916
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: up the professional golf landscape is fascinating, and they're both

917
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: complicated guys, and they have their fans and have their detractors,

918
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: and there's some some energy there there that even the

919
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: way they played the game was the same, you know,

920
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: aggressive to the point of reckless. Like there's just how

921
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: they live their life. And so the fact that it's

922
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: Greg and it it's Phil just add the whole other

923
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: elements of this the story for me. But you're also

924
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: you're also talking about some of the biggest egos I've

925
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: ever met in my life. For sure, some of the

926
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: most successful golfers I've I've ever met. Jack Nicholas is

927
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: one of the biggest egomaniacal people I've ever come in

928
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: contact with. Greg Norman one of the biggest giant egomaniacal

929
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: human beings. Roman Plan asked Andy mill about what he

930
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: did to his friend in getting Chris Everett to be

931
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: his wife. I mean, this guy is your worst nightmare.

932
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: If you're friends with Greg Norman, you don't ever invite

933
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: him over your house. He might steal your wife and

934
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: your daughter. I mean he's a you know, I mean

935
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: Bill Nicholson, eagle maniacal fig Jam Tiger, Woods, Eagle. They

936
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: don't have people who say no to them, and if

937
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: they do, they're out. You're out. Well, I mean it's

938
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: an interesting point. I mean, the the biggest stars of

939
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 1: the last thirty years, Tiger, Phil, Greg Norman, and all

940
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: of them. Jack Nicholas, Yeah, I mean Jack is you know,

941
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: he's been a force in the game, but just as

942
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: far as contemporary players, like all of them somewhat diminished

943
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: by scandal and controversy, you know, not not Jack so much,

944
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: although this late period, Jack's had his own issues. So um,

945
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: it's it's a fascinating turn of events. Like um, you know,

946
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: the tour wants to sell these guys as perfect gentlemen,

947
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: but they're they're complicated human beings and they do have egos,

948
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: and they do have appetites, and it's lead them astray.

949
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: So it just adds a whole other layer to this,

950
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: the complexity of the situation. Humans have never changed. Those

951
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: are all the same. I mean, that's a good ending point,

952
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: right there, Mac. I mean that that that's that's what

953
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: this comes down to. It's human foibles. It's greed, it's

954
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: desire for power, for revenge, for payback. Because there's plenty

955
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: a good golf out there to play already, like, none

956
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: of this is really about golf, and it's all these

957
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: it's all these other you know, human flaws that have

958
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 1: created this entire situation. But you know, we're all lawyers.

959
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: Were This is a gift from the content gods or

960
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: for those who write about the game. The fans are

961
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: gonna be watching in some capacity and tuned into this.

962
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 1: It's gonna it's just gonna be the story of the summer.

963
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: So it will be interesting to see if the organization's

964
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: behave as though the golfers would own a golf course.

965
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: In other words, will they keep you know, will they

966
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: have the same you know what you know, how you

967
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: treat each other on the golf course and the things

968
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: that you do. Are they going to be that good?

969
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: I mean, will they take the values of the game

970
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: on the course to this? I don't call it a

971
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: fight to this, but this, I mean Jay Monahan threatening

972
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: a lifetime band to anyone who goes and plays a

973
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: golf tournament. That's hardball. I don't think. I don't think

974
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: that's the gentleman. You know, he's he's he sees this

975
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: as as a real essential threat to this revival of

976
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: the PGA tourn He's probably right. So they they they

977
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: they told us to cease and desist at the Wishbone Brawl,

978
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: a tournament with with with Persimmon Woods talk about an

979
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: exhibition at goat Hill Park to raise money for kids.

980
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: You think the PGA Tours they're not gonna they're not

981
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: gonna play nice. They didn't play nice with the Wishbone. Bro,

982
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: what do you think they're gonna do with the Live Tour.

983
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these guys, the PGA Tour is

984
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: not exactly you know, gentlemanly in any way shape reform,

985
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I've heard from a player that,

986
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, he was called into an office Jay's office

987
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: and threatened pretty extensively about you know, if he went there,

988
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: it was going to be it was, that was going

989
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: to be it. So this is not this is not

990
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: friendly friendly fire here. No, all right, guys, Well, we

991
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: couldn't do this without the support of our sponsors. Uh.

992
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, I appreciate this opportunity to

993
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: get in a room full of smart people and have

994
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: smart conversation about a very complex issue as it relates

995
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: to a game that we all love. I mean, the

996
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: common denominator is that we do love this game. We

997
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: do love I love so many different aspects of this game.

998
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: And the professional game has been a it's been a mixed,

999
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: I love hate relationship in a lot of ways the

1000
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: last few years, as you know, you know, embarking on

1001
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: this modern media company and bumping up into bumping up

1002
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: next to or into the rights and control of the

1003
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: p G A Tour. So the idea that we're trying

1004
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: to go this alone without getting the sort of entanglement

1005
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: of some of the other legacy media as it's tied

1006
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: to the tour and and feeling at one point, oh,

1007
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson, you know, had some had some points to

1008
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: be made, and it kind of lost its way with

1009
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: how he made him and what you know what format

1010
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 1: and and platform. It's ah, there is there is, there

1011
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: is something to be said for I hope that the

1012
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: PGA Tour loses some of its control over what's happening

1013
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: to its players, to its tournament, to its media partners,

1014
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: to its brand partners, because right now feels like they're undefeated.

1015
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: They can do whatever they want, how they want to

1016
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: do it, when they want to do it, and it

1017
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: doesn't seem right. It does seem like state run media

1018
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: and it and it's uh, it's nice to be able

1019
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: to have these conversations working for the Firepit Collective and

1020
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: not feel like I'm going to get a call from

1021
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: my boss and say, what in the hell did you

1022
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: just do? Yeah, Mr Nicholas say you go monacle. Yeah,

1023
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean it is. I mean, yeah, well that's what

1024
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: all said, Matt. I mean, everything's changing, everything's up for grabs.

1025
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: It's a wild time to be in the golf media.

1026
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we can see how this plays out.

1027
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: And do you all think the Golf Channel is gonna

1028
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: do you think the Golf Channel will cover the live

1029
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: of it? I think I don't think they'll probably cover

1030
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: it on they save Golf Central. I mean they they

1031
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: can't ignore it completely, as you know, as a news event,

1032
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: but I don't think they're gonna want to give it

1033
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: anymore than the bare minimum. It's gonna be one of

1034
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: those things that I'm very curious to find out. I mean,

1035
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: this is that's what I mean, what we're about to

1036
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: see for the next six months is uh, this is

1037
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: modern media with you know, big money, endless money. Four

1038
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars. They could do whatever they want. What

1039
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: what I want to do is go get dinner, So

1040
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: I think we should end this podcast. I'm curerally eating

1041
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: crackers from a gas station, so I would also like

1042
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: to go get dinner. But thanks to everyone who's has

1043
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: made it to this finish line. It's it's complex, and

1044
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna be covering it. My plan is to fly

1045
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: over to London on Thursday night and cover this tournament

1046
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: from from the outside of the ropes if I have to. Yeah, yeah,

1047
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: I've been looking at flights. I would have got to

1048
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: go sooner, but my daughter's high school graduation part he's

1049
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: on Thursday afternoon. Until I can, I can catch the

1050
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: last flight of San Francisco. I'll be I'll be on

1051
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: the ground at Centurion by end to play on Friday,

1052
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: and I'll blow it out on Saturday and Sunday too,

1053
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: So in disguise or as Alan Shimnick, maybe I'll shave

1054
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: my beer. No, I'll recognize me. Go as Monday Que

1055
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: if you're gonna take over the Monday Q Info Twitter

1056
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: and Michael Michael some final thoughts. Well, you know, I

1057
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: think I'm really taken by that hypocrite come by Norman

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Speaker 1: because it shows such a lack of gratitude to the

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Speaker 1: preceding generation. And this overall thing is all about a

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Speaker 1: lack of gratitude, you know, not being happy with what

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Speaker 1: you have. Thatt, what you said about the modern PG

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Speaker 1: tour was perfect. It was word for word perfect. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it is a very arrogant organization with a lot of problems.

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Speaker 1: And this is gonna this is going to reveal a

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Speaker 1: lot of them. But the when and when Matt talks

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Speaker 1: about human nature, I mean, I agreat human nature fundamentally

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Speaker 1: does not change. But there should be a value system

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Speaker 1: in place that honors where you can, honor how you

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Speaker 1: got to where you are in your life. And the

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Speaker 1: lack of that is disturbing as hell to see and disappointing.

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Speaker 1: And then just one final thought. You know, when we

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Speaker 1: talk about you know, Norman getting his redemption and Philip

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Speaker 1: Bichelson getting the redemption, their redemption if it is even

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Speaker 1: that is bought and paid for by the Saudies, by billions,

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Speaker 1: and the Saudis will stop at nothing to win this thing.

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Speaker 1: So when we talk about six months or five years,

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Speaker 1: that's the tip of the iceberg. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: about a hundred year view here to use golf, this crazy,

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Speaker 1: ridiculous Shepherd's game that nobody in the right mind wouldn't

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Speaker 1: vent today because it's way too difficult in time consuming

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Speaker 1: to use that to recreate the image of their society

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Speaker 1: without actually changing their society. Yeah. I don't think we

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Speaker 1: said redemption. It's more like revenge, that's what That's what

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Speaker 1: Norman is looking for and maybe fill at this point,

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Speaker 1: but Jake said that we need to cover part part

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Speaker 1: points man, so well, No, I mean, I think we

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Speaker 1: got We're we're adding sponsors obviously, Ryan French, you're the

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Speaker 1: host of The Grind, and we've got a great docuseries

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Speaker 1: coming out, and Alan and Michael. You're gonna be doing

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Speaker 1: a podcast called Nia Fourth with Jeff Ogilvie, which we've

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Speaker 1: already taped a pilot episode of and we'll be coming

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Speaker 1: out this fall, which I'm really looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: You guys are regular appear regularly on The Fire Drill

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Speaker 1: obviously the Weeks and the Majors, and coming up out

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Speaker 1: of Boston the US Open, the three of you, Ryan, Michael,

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Speaker 1: Alan and Jeff Ogilvie will be appearing frequently throughout that week, Mac,

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Speaker 1: you are gonna be with Colton El and Michael Sims

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Speaker 1: hosting the Real Game Podcast, which I'm really looking forward

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Speaker 1: to as you continue to give us your insights and

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Speaker 1: perspective on the Real Game as it relates to a

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Speaker 1: business perspective, avoiding the pitfalls of trying to go pro.

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Speaker 1: What happens when you do go pro and you get

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Speaker 1: these equipment companies wanting to change the gear that you're

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Speaker 1: played for your whole life. I'm really looking forward to

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Speaker 1: all of that. Um, all of this is is being

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Speaker 1: Points is obviously one of them. It's a new revolutionary

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Speaker 1: especially great for families, people going out with kids. Wherever

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Speaker 1: you tee off from you can actually win that amount

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Speaker 1: of points. If you make par from fifty yards you

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Speaker 1: get fifty points. Hundred yards you get a hundred points.

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Speaker 1: If you want to go all the way back to

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Speaker 1: four hundred yards and make part you'll get four hundred points.

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Speaker 1: Bertie double it. It's a really cool thing and uh,

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Speaker 1: I suggest you do too. And then Dormy Workshop is

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Speaker 1: those are our sponsors and partners boys. Anything to add, yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: independent journalism needs to be supported. So we were appreciative

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Speaker 1: for all them. And I'm just trying to side between

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Speaker 1: Italian and Mexican for dinner, but I'll take that offline.

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad we did this. We're gonna do it again.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be a talking point throughout US Open

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Speaker 1: Week when Phil probably makes his return to the state side.

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Speaker 1: And um, this is just just gonna keep going so

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Speaker 1: that's not the end of the conversation. This is really

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Speaker 1: the beginning. So thanks for everyone who tuned in and

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Speaker 1: and to be continued and all safe travels. Safe travels,

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Speaker 1: my friend was you had to live alright here, guys

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Speaker 1: put another log on the fire and we here is

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Speaker 1: get the time.