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Speaker 2: That was Dave Logan on koa. That was the only

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Speaker 2: A ten to seven victory by the Denver Broncos over

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Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Raiders. Nick, when I asked you before

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Speaker 2: that they would all be beautiful, and I submit there

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Speaker 2: For many seasons, there there are some games that are

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Speaker 3: It makes me think about that Colt's Broncos game that

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Speaker 4: Ago that was also just about as ugly as this one.

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Speaker 2: But that one had like a sense of like this is.

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Speaker 3: Fact that it was that bad, yeah, and this one

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Speaker 3: So my youngest sister lives with me, and she made

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I appreciate your sister. I want some

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Speaker 2: Where we made our first power rankings of the year,

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Speaker 2: despite winning tonight's game. So you know, we'll give this

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: My takeaway here in a game that had twenty two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's another example of what this team has

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Speaker 2: An extreme version. I would say, yeah, I'm I'm glad

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely right. Although it's it's a big week for

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Speaker 3: I like how you're revealing mine just without revealing yourself

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Speaker 4: I am the scapegoat.

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Speaker 2: You are the scapegoat. If Okay Giants, twenty five Browns,

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Speaker 3: I know that they've they lost Camskataboo and they've lost

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Speaker 2: The next group is called stuck in the middle. So

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Speaker 3: but they're also executing it. Now, Caleb is still a

436
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 3: bit unsteady. He doesn't like his highlight plays are really

437
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 3: fun to watch. But he's and he's getting more comfortable.

438
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 3: He's getting better, but he's still not at that point

439
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 3: where you're like, he's going to lead them to victory.

440
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 3: Now he's done a couple times in clutch spots. But

441
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 3: I have questions about their defense because they can't generate

442
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 3: a pass rush to save their lives. So that's why

443
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 3: they're kind of stuck in this tier. But I think

444
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 3: if their offense continues on the trajectory they're currently on,

445
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 3: they could climb out of it and get into the

446
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Speaker 3: bottom of the next tier.

447
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think part of their issue is just the

448
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 2: quality of their opponents. And you could say the same

449
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 2: thing about the Patriots, but the Patriots quarterback's playing better

450
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: and they're seven and two, so there is a little

451
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: bit of a difference there. I just want to see

452
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 2: more out of Spars team because I think the defense

453
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: is struggling. The passing game is up and down, Like

454
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: it looks better in the box score than the numbers,

455
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 2: but they are trending up. And it is crazy to think, like, man,

456
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: the league feels deep if the Jaguars are seventeen, yeah,

457
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: and the Panthers are twenty first, And I think the

458
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: Panthers are just an eye test thing ultimately, like, yeah,

459
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: it is the year of the running game and everything,

460
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 2: but if you can't consistently throw the ball and your

461
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 2: defense is not a difference maker, and I don't consider

462
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Speaker 2: the Panthers defense to be a difference maker. I think

463
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 2: that's where they get edged out a little bit compared

464
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: to teams like the Cardinals and the Texans, for instance,

465
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 2: to me, have a higher upside despite their record. Right now,

466
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Speaker 2: what was your thought process of kind of where they

467
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: are versus say, the Cardinals and the Texans specific.

468
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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'm one of the last believers in the Texans,

469
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: but their defense is very, very good, and it like,

470
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Speaker 3: you know, we talked about with the Browns. They're going

471
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Speaker 3: it's gonna keep them in most games, and if they

472
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Speaker 3: get protect CJ. Stroud, who got knocked out by a

473
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: cushion last week, then I think that they would be

474
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: a competitive team against most teams, which is why they're

475
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Speaker 3: ranked higher.

476
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Speaker 4: And it's not to say that the Panthers aren't.

477
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 3: They just upset the Packers, but we see the ceiling

478
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 3: on their offense, especially if their running games not working.

479
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 3: I think that the Panthers are on the right path

480
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: and a year from now they'll be in a better place.

481
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 3: You see, you know, signs of it on both sides

482
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,239
Speaker 3: of the ball. It's just that, like this is the

483
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 3: build up to that. So that's kind of why they

484
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 3: are where they are. But I also when we talk

485
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Speaker 3: about the Jags being in this group at the top

486
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: of this group mm hm, bitter recency not biased, but

487
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 3: but recency influence with us because I could very easily

488
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 3: see us putting the Vikings in that spot instead of

489
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Speaker 3: the Jaguars, had the Vikings not just gone into Yea

490
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 3: beating the line they just.

491
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Speaker 2: Beat the Lions. You gotta add adapt to new information, right,

492
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 2: and I think roster wise, they're better, right, and maybe

493
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: it is confirming my priors. I thought they would get

494
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 2: over eight and a half wins this year and they

495
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Speaker 2: still have a chance to do so. There is a

496
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Speaker 2: lot of talent the coaches. But yeah, you're you're hinting

497
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: at who up next, so let's just do it. The

498
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 2: next tier is frisky, and the Vikings are at the

499
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Speaker 2: bottom of that tier. But these are the teams that

500
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Speaker 2: you don't want to play them. I think it'd be

501
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: a disappointment if they don't make the playoffs. But we're

502
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: also just valuing where they are right now. Number sixteen,

503
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: the Vikings, big jump, I think from where they would

504
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: have been, Like you said, Shook last week at this time,

505
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: the Chargers are at fifteen, a little lower than I

506
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: expected they'd be in this exercise. The forty nine Ers fourteen,

507
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: Ravens all the way up to thirteen despite the three

508
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: and five record, but they are the Ravens. The Steelers

509
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: at twelve, Broncos at eleven, and Patriots at ten. Now

510
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Speaker 2: I got to say we did this assuming the Broncos

511
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: are going to win this game, like roughly where they

512
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Speaker 2: would be. I mean, I think just for making us

513
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Speaker 2: go through this should maybe we should knock them down

514
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: a couple of spots.

515
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we assume they were going to win.

516
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: We didn't assume they're gonna win in the ugliest fashion possible. Yeah,

517
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 3: and this is a fun kind of examination of where

518
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: we differ too, because I had the Ravens all the

519
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 3: way up at eleven because I just believe that if

520
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 3: Lamar can be Lamar, that they're going to be right

521
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 3: on the edge of that top ten. But yeah, the

522
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: Broncos deserves let's drop them a couple spots and.

523
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Speaker 4: I'm going to bought the Ravens up. Okay, I we

524
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 4: should also defend this.

525
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 2: So you already had them ahead of them. You had

526
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Speaker 2: the Ravens at eleven. I had him at fifteen. And

527
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: I guess what I would say to that, I did

528
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Speaker 2: have them behind the forty nine Ers and the Chargers,

529
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Speaker 2: and maybe I shouldn't. I'm talking about opponent I'm talking

530
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: about like consistency. Okay, the Ravens didn't look amazing beating

531
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: the Dolphins to me. I know it ended up being easy,

532
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like a game where you look at

533
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 2: the numbers and everything that they were particularly dominant and

534
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: you know they beat the Bears. That was a good

535
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: effort with Tyler Huntley. I guess I just want to

536
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: see them in a game like they are this week

537
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 2: against a better opponent before I'm feeling like they're back back.

538
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: So I punished them a little bit for that.

539
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Speaker 4: That's fair.

540
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: We should defend where we are putting the Chargers though,

541
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Speaker 3: because I think this is accurate. And the reason is

542
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: is the losses in the offensive line. We know we

543
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 3: are bracing for offense being a challenge for them from

544
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 3: here on out after losing Joe Alt for the rest

545
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: of the season.

546
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: So that and the defense hasn't been that good, right,

547
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: Like I thought the defense would be better and it's

548
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: been up and down.

549
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree. I would agree with that.

550
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: Forty nine Ers though, ahead of the now that I'm

551
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: looking at it, like in my heart, forty nine ers

552
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: considering their injuries. Actually I did have them below the Chargers,

553
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: and I think you should have too, but you didn't.

554
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: You know nothing.

555
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 3: And I had the forty nine Ers ahead of the

556
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: Chargers because I admire their scrappiness and their ability to

557
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 3: extract wins out of thin air despite all the losses

558
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: that they've had in personnel like that. I am still

559
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: mystified by how they are still competitive every week given

560
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 3: all the guys they don't have.

561
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Speaker 2: I had the Patriots at eleven, you had them at ten.

562
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Speaker 2: Do you think it's fair that they are not in

563
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: our highest tier? Essentially that we're we're kind of saying

564
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: with this tier to me, you know, you're not one

565
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: of the real deal ones yet, and it's crazy to

566
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: think that about the I guess he just want I

567
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: want just a little more proof. But what do you

568
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: think about not putting the Patriots or the Broncos or

569
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: even the Steelers in like real deal Super Bowl contender status.

570
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 3: I think that the Patriots are going to remind me

571
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: of teams that played soft schedules and got you know,

572
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: to the playoffs on the back of the soft schedule.

573
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: Not to take away anything that they've done, because Drake

574
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: may is the engine that drives that team forward and

575
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 3: he's playing fantastic football, but I do think that if

576
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: they end up facing higher level competition, they could get exposed,

577
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 3: you know, on a given Sunday or whatever. So that's

578
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: why they sit at ten. For me, the Steelers, I

579
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 3: sound like a hater. They're just very up and down.

580
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: Like the way that they dominated the Colts statistically with

581
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: turnovers and everything else was shocking. But yet they only

582
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 3: won that game by a touchdown, and so that kind

583
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: of points to sign to me that, like, I think

584
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is playing very good football for them right now.

585
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: He's got complete command of that offense when he's given

586
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: when he's empowered to run that offense. But I think

587
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: that there is not fraudulent in them, but just a

588
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 3: visible ceiling with them, which is why I have them

589
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: where they are.

590
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: And it's funny. If we had done this segment before

591
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: Thursday Night Football, Broncos fans would have been annoyed, I

592
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: think at how low they are. And now after Thursday

593
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: Night Football, even though they got to win, I feel

594
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: like the bow Knicks nation, the bow leievers, will just

595
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: like be a little quieter.

596
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: I got to give them a lot of credit. A

597
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: big shout out for me because I get a lot

598
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 3: of hate for the QB Index every week. It's part

599
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: of you know, it comes with the game. Bo Knicks

600
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 3: fans have not gotten in my DMS or my mentions

601
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: once and in fact, I've had a little bit of

602
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: back and forth with Broncos fans, like when I'm streaming

603
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: on Twitch or whatever, They're in agreement, like they underst

604
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: they're realists with him and they understand where he is

605
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: right now. So shout out to you guys for not

606
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: letting your emotions cloud your judgment.

607
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: Shout out to the Broncos fans for the most incredible

608
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: Bronx cheer on Thursday night when their punter finally had

609
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: a good punt because he kept punting it off the

610
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: side of his foot, they were booing the hell out

611
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: of bow Nicks and the Broncos offense. They did it

612
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: going into halftime, they did it coming out of halftime

613
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: when they went three and out out of halftime, and

614
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: then he hit this punt which was his first decent

615
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: punt of the night, and they gave him a loud

616
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: ass Bronx cheer for a punt that was amazing.

617
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: Just that this is coming off of the back of

618
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: him launching absolute rockets a week earlier, like to the

619
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: point where I tweeted, I was like, he has a

620
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: mortar cannon, like a mortar launcher on his leg, like that's.

621
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 4: What his leg is.

622
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: And then he goes out there to night and just

623
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: sends like ground balls out there.

624
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: You know that punting's hard. Man football was hard.

625
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: It is crazy that punting was like the most entertaining

626
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: thing in the game. Aj Cole the Raiders had two

627
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: punts go inside the two yard line. That's the first

628
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: time that's happened in the same game in like five years.

629
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: Not surprising there. And then he also had a block

630
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 2: punt that basically won the Broncos. The game set them

631
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: up on a short field goal, and that's how they

632
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: got their short field and that's how they got their

633
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: you know, winning field goal. Let's do the title contender.

634
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: I'm calling this the real Ones. It really shows what

635
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: a crazy year this is, because I think you could

636
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: shake up these nine teams in any direction, and I'm

637
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: not going to argue too much with it. Number nine

638
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Number eight is Green Bay lower

639
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: than I expected, And it is interesting when you force

640
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: yourself to do this exercise and you realize, like, wow,

641
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: the Packers down there, although I had them highering you.

642
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: Number seven, the Detroit Lions, number six, We have the

643
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: Colts five, the Buffalo Bills. The Chiefs, despite losing last week,

644
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: is actually ahead of the Bills. And that's why I

645
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: like power rankings. They shouldn't just be you know, your record,

646
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: number three, the LA Rams, number two Philadelphia Eagles, and

647
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: number one the Seattle Seahawks up at number one. I

648
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: was surprised, shook, we were on the same page with

649
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: the Seahawks. You had them very high. Was it number one?

650
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: I believe it was number two for you, but it

651
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: averaged out to being number one. You had the Chiefs won,

652
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Speaker 2: and that was the rising the Seahawks, two, Eagle three.

653
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Speaker 2: So what strikes you the most just looking at this

654
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Speaker 2: list of the best nine teams, and then I'll tell

655
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Speaker 2: you what stands out to me.

656
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Speaker 3: So this season feels like we've gotten more parody in

657
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: the league than we've gotten in probably the last five

658
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Speaker 3: or seven years. And I think that this group really

659
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: illustrates that. Because this was the most difficult part of

660
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Speaker 3: this exercise for me.

661
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Speaker 4: Because I'm getting at one Chiefs. Yeah, they lost the Bills.

662
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 4: They had a terrible game.

663
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Speaker 3: That was the bills best showing in years defensively at least.

664
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Speaker 3: And I think that if you play that game ten times,

665
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Speaker 3: it might turn out differently, you know, a few different times.

666
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Speaker 4: So I'm not going to put too much stock into

667
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 4: a regular season win over the Chiefs, I felt.

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Speaker 3: I still feel confident as though if I had to

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Speaker 3: take any team in a neutral site or in a

670
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: playoff game Homer away, I would still say.

671
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Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid the Kansas City Chiefs.

672
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Speaker 3: But once we got past the Chiefs and the Seahawks,

673
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, Like, what do I think

674
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Speaker 3: about the rest of these guys? Because the Eagles have,

675
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: you know, the personnel to get it done. They had

676
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Speaker 3: the drama, but they're also you know, they're coming off

677
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: of two quality wins. The Rams are like lurking as

678
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: this team that people aren't paying attention to, but they're

679
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: playing phenomenal football, especially offensively. Lion's coming off of a

680
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: loss of the Vikings, but there's still the Lions. We

681
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: still respect them. Bills are lower for me than five.

682
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: Actually had them at six just because I still need

683
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Speaker 3: it proven to me, like you need the Ravens to.

684
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Speaker 4: Prove it to you.

685
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Speaker 3: Like I get down to like six, seven, eight nine,

686
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh God, I forgot about the Buccaneers.

687
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: Wait right, we have all these injuries on offense. Can

688
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: they still do it? The Packers. I don't believe in

689
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: them fully right now because of some of the performances

690
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: they've produced recently. And the Colts Daniel Jones scared me

691
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: back into being hesitant about them with accounting for five

692
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: of their six turnovers.

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Speaker 4: So it's really hard to sort.

694
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Speaker 3: These guys out right now, which is why the NFL

695
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: is incredibly fun to watch.

696
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, first of all, it's six NFC teams, three AFC,

697
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: So I think I shocked. Yeah, it just I think

698
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: there's more really good teams this year than most years.

699
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: I actually it is parody, but I don't think it's

700
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: mediocrity because we looked at that group from ten to

701
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: sixteen and those are good teams too. So the bad

702
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: teams are really bad this year for sure, but I

703
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of good teams at the top.

704
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Speaker 2: Like all these teams, for almost all of them have

705
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: had multi year kind of build ups to this moment,

706
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: you know, like Mike McDonald, it's only a second year,

707
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: but man, they're so different than they were, you know,

708
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 2: Sean McVay, and they've been in this rebuild ish phase

709
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: for the last couple of years. They called it a

710
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: sprint rebuild that's peaking right now. The Eagles are in

711
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: the middle of their primes, the Chiefs are that are

712
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: the Chiefs obviously, and like even the Bucks, like they've

713
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: been building to this moment. So it's not like other

714
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: than the Colts, there's not like a big surprise team,

715
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: and there's not a team that like feels like it

716
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: came out of nowhere. And yet the Colts when and

717
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: I've talked about this this week, when you look at it,

718
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: like that team has about as much continuity and veterans

719
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: and guys who have been on that roster for four

720
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: or five years than anyone. So I just like that

721
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: we're like really familiar, you're with all these teams, and

722
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: I think they all have a shot to win the

723
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. And the biggest disagreement we had here, well

724
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 2: there were a couple, but we were only three spots

725
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: apart on any team, But I had the Colts still

726
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: at four. Maybe that's too high, but I believe in

727
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: transcendent offenses, and I just think they have a chance

728
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: to be a transcendent offense. Is their offense, like the

729
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: does it have a chance to be the best thing

730
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: in the NFL? I think it has a chance, so

731
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Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong.

732
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Speaker 3: I mean, because of the continuity, that's probably the strongest

733
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Speaker 3: argument for them that they could have the best offense

734
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Speaker 3: the NFL. I mean, they've certainly put up a lot

735
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: of points, but you also have to consider opponent when

736
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Speaker 3: you examine some of their victories. I actually want to

737
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 3: step into our therapist's office real quick. I'm the therapist and

738
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: I'm also the patient here because this is a great

739
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: demonstration of the difference between you and me and my

740
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: abandonment issues. The Colts burned me once, and I'm like, nope,

741
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 3: I'm off the ship. I'm not, but you can't hurt

742
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 3: me twice. Colts, I'm not gonna let you hurt me again.

743
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 3: I'm running away from you. Whereas you are more of

744
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 3: an open hearted believer, like they said on the Monday

745
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 3: Night recap, Greg has kind eyes.

746
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 4: You have a kind heart too. You're willing to let

747
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Speaker 4: the Colts have a bad Sunday.

748
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Speaker 2: Maybe, or maybe I just stick with my priors and

749
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: I just spent the week, you know, gassing them up

750
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: before they stunk up the joint. And like a team

751
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 2: like the Bills are, I think they have fundamental things

752
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: that I worry about and yet man, they are a

753
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: good problem solving team like the Chiefs. So if I

754
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Speaker 2: had to do it again, maybe I would have flipped

755
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: it and the Bills would have been a little bit higher,

756
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: because like the Chiefs, they deserve the benefit of doubt

757
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 2: if they're going to like create solutions to the problems

758
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: that the season gives them. And you can kind of

759
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: see it the last couple of weeks. Do we know

760
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: that the Colts are going to do that? We don't

761
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: know because we haven't seen it, and we are putting

762
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: a lot of faith there in the Seahawks. I hadem one,

763
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: you had them two. But man, it's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, we got a game this weekend

765
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Speaker 2: with two of these top teams playing. That's all I

766
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: want out of each week, at least one or two

767
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 2: games where you know, two of these nine teams are

768
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: playing each other. And yeah, we got a nice Packers

769
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: Eagles game and the Patriots not too far out of

770
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: this tier. Play in the Bucks is a really good

771
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: one nine versus ten if you look at the windows,

772
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Speaker 2: I know we had a bad primetime game shook, but

773
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Speaker 2: this is sneakily one of the best weeks of the

774
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: year because we have Pats Bucks in that early window

775
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: along with Ravens Vikings, which I think is really fun.

776
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: That's a great game, and the primetime windows are absolutely great.

777
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: In the four to twenty five window, we have Rams

778
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: forty nine ers, which I think is good enough to

779
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: hold that window. It's like every window has has a nice,

780
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: delicious game.

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Speaker 4: You know.

782
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: It's like a relief, and it's also excites me when

783
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: I see a good Monday nighter, and Eagles Packers is

784
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: going to be a good Monday nighter.

785
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 2: We need it. We'll be live and we appreciate everyone

786
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: who's been listening to all our recaps this season. And

787
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: that's it for this one. We will be next in

788
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: the feed. Cynthia Friedland and I we push back the

789
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: pick show a little bit this week because everything's been

790
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: a little up in the air. So we have our

791
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: picks against the spread that'll be on Friday afternoon. We

792
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: will see them and we can only hope to do

793
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: better at our jobs than the Raiders and the Broncos

794
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: offenses did not see it.

795
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Speaker 3: Frighten