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Speaker 1: All right, disco's welcome back to the Archive. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to tell a story about Lana del Rey just because

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of fascinated by Lana del Rey. This episode

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Speaker 1: came out back in August of twenty twenty four, about

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Speaker 1: a month before Lana del Rey got married, so that

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Speaker 1: was some news that happened after this episode was released.

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Speaker 1: So she's so polarizing, right, People love her, Her fandom

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Speaker 1: is super strong. People obviously have an emotional connection with

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Speaker 1: And these are my favorite types of artists. I love

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Speaker 1: Kim Gordon, but I love the Kim Gordon can't stand

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Speaker 1: Lena del Rey. But at the same time, I can

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Speaker 1: appreciate Lana del Rey. And I was really interested in

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Speaker 1: true crime stories from the past that are connected to

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Speaker 1: the whole world, the imagery, the visual world, not just

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Speaker 1: the musical world that Lana del Rey has built. And

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a really interesting way to get

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Speaker 1: into her story and to tell her story in a

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Speaker 1: way that would satisfy myself, fans of Lana del Rey

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Speaker 1: and detractors. So with all that said, I hope you

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Speaker 1: dig this episode. It's one of my favorites. Matt Boden

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Speaker 1: as well, just really fantastic. So, without further ado, here

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Speaker 1: is Lana del Rey.

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Speaker 2: This episode contains content that may be disturbing to some listeners.

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Speaker 2: Please check the show notes for more information.

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Speaker 1: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. This is a

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Speaker 1: story about one of the most compelling musical artists in

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Speaker 1: modern times. It's also a story about an illicit underage romance,

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Speaker 1: an abduction in an international manhunt, about sexual liberation, and

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Speaker 1: a scandalous story that is almost too scandalous to talk about.

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Speaker 1: It's a story about a starlet, sex appeal in psychopaths,

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Speaker 1: and it's also about an artist who doesn't fit into

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Speaker 1: a box. Lana del Rey, a musician who makes great music.

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Speaker 1: Unlike that music I played for you at the top

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Speaker 1: preset loot from my mellotron called yacht Funk MK two.

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Speaker 1: I played you that loop because I can't afford the

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Speaker 1: rights to We Found Love by Rihanna featuring Calvin Harris,

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Speaker 1: And why would I play you that specific slice of

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Speaker 1: hopeless cheese? Could I afford it because that was the

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Speaker 1: number one song in America on January thirty first, twenty twelve,

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Speaker 1: and that was the day that Lana del Rey released

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Speaker 1: her debut studio album, an album that announced a new

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Speaker 1: artist who wasn't afraid to risk it, to create her

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Speaker 1: own playbook and do it her own way, not how

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Speaker 1: anyone else expected or.

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Speaker 2: Told her to. On this episode Illicit.

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Speaker 1: Romance, an International Manhunt, Starlet's Psychopaths, Three Dark Stories, and

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Speaker 1: Lana del Rey. I'm Jake Brennan and this is Disgraceland.

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Speaker 1: The title of this episode is three Dark Stories Inspired

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Speaker 1: as evocative in compelling as the myths that she's built

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Speaker 1: around her. While researching Lonna del Rey the Artist or

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Grant that's Lana's birth name, the person, I naturally

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Speaker 1: learned more about what inspired her twentieth century Americana, classic noir, melancholia, romanticism,

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Speaker 1: and the enduring legacy of the American risk taker. Throughout

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Speaker 1: drove my curiosity in Unearthed, three incredibly scandalous and true

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Speaker 1: there is an unreleased track entitled Lolita, which is of

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Speaker 1: Lana has said about this teacher quote, we read Lolita

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Speaker 1: And this is the woman Lana del Rey chose to

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Speaker 1: Stompanado heard them all the way across the pond back

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Speaker 1: gun and went straight for Sean Connery. Stompinado was a

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Speaker 1: He'd grown up fighting off violent street gangs in Edinburgh.

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Speaker 1: He was a truck driver, a lifeguard, a boxing instructor,

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Speaker 1: with greasy pompadors and tiny pistols did not intimidate Sean Connery.

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Speaker 1: Sean Connery was in the middle of filming a scene

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Speaker 1: with Lana Turner and they were embracing on a couch.

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Speaker 1: Johnny Stoppanado walked right into the chute with his gun

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Speaker 1: drawn straight at Connery, telling him to get his hands

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Speaker 1: off his girl. Connery quickly grabbed Stompanado's wrist and twisted

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Speaker 1: it hard until he dropped his gun, walled him with

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Speaker 1: into the custody of Scotland Yard, which wasted no time

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Speaker 1: It was too much to handle for Lona's fourteen year

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Speaker 1: old daughter, Cheryl, who lived with her. The fighting was endless,

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Speaker 1: and Cheryl heard it all. When the beating ceased to

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Speaker 1: have the effect he was looking for, Johnny would resort

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Speaker 1: to threats. He told Lanna he would cut her face

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Speaker 1: to ribbons with a knife if she didn't do what

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Speaker 1: she was told, the point being he'd disfigure her so

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Speaker 1: badly she'd never work in Hollywood again. Lana fought back,

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Speaker 1: and Johnny took a razor blade to her cheek and

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Speaker 1: held it there. Still, Lona was obstinate. Cheryl heard everything.

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Speaker 1: She was living in constant fear. When Lana left her

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Speaker 1: second husband, Tarzan's Lex Barker. Cheryl had been relieved by

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Speaker 1: her mother's choice of the gangster Johnny Stompinado. Anything would

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Speaker 1: be better than Lex, who repeatedly raped Cheryl as a

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Speaker 1: young girl, But Stompanado's presence proved to be its own

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Speaker 1: type of hell. Fear, ever present, violence, the constant threat

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Speaker 1: of an anvil, hanging over her head. Johnny Stompinado was

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Speaker 1: a twenty four to seven problem. When he wasn't beating

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Speaker 1: on Cheryl's mother, he was threatening to slice her to pieces.

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Speaker 1: And when Stompinado wasn't threatening Lana Turner, he was threatening Cheryl.

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Speaker 1: Lona wouldn't listen, Lana wouldn't respond to the beatings. Lana

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Speaker 1: wouldn't respond to the threats. Then Stompanado would threaten to

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Speaker 1: cut up Lana's daughter as well. Cheryl couldn't believe what

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Speaker 1: she was hearing behind closed doors. I'll cut you so

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Speaker 1: bad that no one will be able to tell it

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Speaker 1: to you anymore. You'll never work again, your daughter's next.

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Speaker 1: It was unhinged, depraved, horrifying to the young girl who

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Speaker 1: crept up to the door that separated her from the

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Speaker 1: war going on on the other side between her mother,

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Speaker 1: the movie star, and her mother's boyfriend, the gangster. Cheryl

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Speaker 1: gripped tighter the knife she'd grabbed as she passed through

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Speaker 1: the kitchen. It was just for protection, she thought, a

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Speaker 1: last resort. As the screaming raged on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the door.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl stood there, helpless.

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Speaker 1: Squeezing the knife.

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Speaker 2: She couldn't open the door. She couldn't help her mother,

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Speaker 2: she was paralyzed.

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Speaker 1: But then the door burst open and Cheryl's mom, Lana,

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Speaker 1: burst through it and passed by. Here, her psychopathic boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Stompanado, lunged after Lana and into the outstretched knife

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Speaker 1: wielding hand of fourteen year old Cheryl Turner. The knife

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Speaker 1: pierced the gangster's stomach, blood spilled out.

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Speaker 2: Drenching his silk shirt. His eyes went wide.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl's mouth fell open with a near silent gasp, and

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Speaker 1: behind her Lana Turner screamed as her lover, Johnny Stompinado.

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Speaker 2: Fell dead to the floor.

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Speaker 1: Immature, shallow, messy, the worst concert experience of my life,

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Speaker 1: A bad mashup of John Mellencamp and Kesha. All these

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Speaker 1: criticisms and more have been hurled at Lana del Rey.

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Speaker 1: Pitchfork called her debut major label album Born to Die

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Speaker 1: quote the album equivalent of a fake orgasm. Actress and

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Speaker 1: musician Juliette Lewis, after watching Lana del Rey's infamous debut

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Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live performance, tweeted out, wow, watching this quote

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Speaker 1: singer on SNL is like watching a twelve year old

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Speaker 1: in their bedroom when they're pretending to sing and perform

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Speaker 1: hashtag sign of our Times.

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Speaker 2: Ouch.

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Speaker 1: Some of this criticism was warranted, namely the bad reviews

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Speaker 1: of Lana's SNL performance, but most of it is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: All art is subjective, but not All art needs to

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Speaker 1: fit neatly into a box, which is what our critics

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Speaker 1: want for our pop stars.

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Speaker 2: But when Lana del Rey first.

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Speaker 1: Burst into the mainstream with Born to Die, there was

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Speaker 1: no obvious box. In fact, to the extent that there

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Speaker 1: was a figurative box, it wasn't one that many critics

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Speaker 1: wanted to touch. Lna del Rey was you never knew

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Speaker 1: you wanted to have a Tumbler account come to life

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Speaker 1: in the form of a pop star, a boardwalk.

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Speaker 2: Bad girl, a Catholic school slut, a.

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Speaker 1: Lolita with ap English smarts who swam with alligators and

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Speaker 1: walked over beats in Nancy Sinatra's boots. Lana del Rey

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Speaker 1: is the best kind of an artist, the kind who

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Speaker 1: takes chances, the kind who isn't afraid to risk it.

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Speaker 1: More importantly, she's unafraid to risk it in public, in

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Speaker 1: front of us. For us failure falling down creatively, It's

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Speaker 1: an unfortunate but inevitable outcome.

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Speaker 2: For this type of artist.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is, as NPR said of Lana messy, but

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Speaker 1: an artist shouldn't be criticized for being messy. Quite the opposite.

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Speaker 1: The best examples of that include Bob Dylan, Kirk, Kobaine,

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Speaker 1: and Prince I could go on and on. I believe

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Speaker 1: that for all their pro feminism, the future is female

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Speaker 1: trendy claims of girl power the mainstream press, at least

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Lana del Rey, an artist playing

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Speaker 1: with a nostalgic vision of America that the coastal elite

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Speaker 1: media these days sees is reductive. The media's criticism of

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Speaker 1: this female artist is well hypocritical and kind of misogynistic.

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Speaker 1: It strikes me as weird that a twenty first century

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Speaker 1: female artist with such a strong point of view and

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Speaker 1: such obvious mass appeal would be so viciously criticized by

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Speaker 1: a media that typically champions strong women.

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Speaker 2: But Lana del Rey.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't fit into anyone's box. Lonna Delray doesn't fit anyone

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Speaker 1: else's vision of what a female pop singer should be.

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Speaker 1: Lna del Rey has always had her own vision of

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Speaker 1: who Lonna del Rey is. She creates from her own playbook,

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Speaker 1: and that type of creator, that type of artist has

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Speaker 1: always been hard for simple minded critics to understand. Nabokov's

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Speaker 1: Lolita was panned. Shipments of the book were seized upon

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Speaker 1: entering the United Kingdom. In France, critics called the book

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Speaker 1: sheer unrestrained pornography. Yet the novel has lived on as

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Speaker 1: one of the most enduring and consequential works of fiction

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Speaker 1: ever written. We are still talking about it and referencing

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Speaker 1: it and arguing about it to this day. Catherine the

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00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: Great was such an effective female leader that her legacy

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Speaker 1: was subjected to a century's long smear campaign, and Lana

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Speaker 1: Turner her star power, her sexuality. The men in her

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Speaker 1: life simply could not handle it, to the point where

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Speaker 1: she was almost murdered, to the point where her fourteen

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Speaker 1: year old daughter had to kill a man for the

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Speaker 1: two women to survive. Whether these stories that I just

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Speaker 1: told you were inspired by Lana del Rey or whether

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Speaker 1: they inspired Lonna del Rey herself, the powerful female subjects

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Speaker 1: at the center of them all share a common element.

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Speaker 2: With Lonna del Rey. They broke the mold.

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Speaker 1: Criticizing an artist for doing so would be a disgrace.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jake Brennan and this is Disgrace lad.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this week's episode on Lana del Rey,

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Speaker 1: a one of a kind artists who, as you can

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Speaker 1: hear from this episode, was unfairly in my estimation, treated

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Speaker 1: by the press. This week's question of the week to

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Speaker 1: you guys.

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