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Speaker 1: Problem solved, buck down Tyler Murray. That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces? All that was nasty right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker Like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc. You know it's not often

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Speaker 1: then I'll start with a genuine question, and I mean

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Speaker 1: it a sincere question here off the top. Usually there

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Speaker 1: might be an angle there, dare I say, might be

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Speaker 1: an agenda here? Cardinals Underground Paul Calvc, Darren Urban Kylo

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Speaker 1: to guard but This is an honest question. Have you

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Speaker 1: guys ever taken a class pass fail? I never did

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Speaker 1: four years of college masters, never took a class pass fail.

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Speaker 1: Anybody you learn, not me. I'm imagining that if a

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Speaker 1: football season was akin to a college semester, that this

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Speaker 1: might qualify as pass fail. Is that an appt analogy?

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Speaker 1: That you have a season in which you know what

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Speaker 1: it all comes down to Week seventeen in one game

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Speaker 1: and your grade is going to be judged on the

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Speaker 1: finale and it could be pass and you're into the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: or it could be an L and you get the

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Speaker 1: F in this case pass fail. It just has that feel.

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Speaker 1: you look eager. You know it's it's funny. Paul. I

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Speaker 1: might actually have to give you credit for that one.

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Speaker 1: That one feels kind of good. I feel like we've

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Speaker 1: had a lot of intros of late where we either

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Speaker 1: disagree or you've just taken it off the rails before

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Speaker 1: feel like that's actually fairly apt. There might actually be

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Speaker 1: some meat on that bone. Okay, I'll take that. You know,

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Speaker 1: it may have taken me all season to get the

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Speaker 1: intro correct. But but here we are at least maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm tracking towards a pass at this point. Perhaps, And

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Speaker 1: you know what, Kyle, here's the other aspect of this.

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Speaker 1: And look, obviously I'm psychoanalyzing the steam from the outside end.

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Speaker 1: I'm not in that locker room. But I don't get

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Speaker 1: the sense they necessarily all that concerned with some of

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Speaker 1: to keep themselves in position to be poised to pass

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Speaker 1: the class at the very end and then guess what,

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Speaker 1: everything gets zero and to start all over. Not unlike

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Speaker 1: certain other Arizona Cardinal playoff teams on passed. And I've

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Speaker 1: been on predicting any sort of future success is like

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Speaker 1: past indicates future success. I'm not going that route here.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going on more Paul, right right, But Kyle,

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Speaker 1: all right, bail me out. See now I'm off the rails.

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Speaker 1: I'm going back to your original question because I think

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Speaker 1: totally agree with you where the perception of this season

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Speaker 1: completely comes down to this game. You win, you finished

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Speaker 1: showed tangible expected progress. If you lose, you lost, what's

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Speaker 1: it gonna be five of your last seven, You're gonna

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Speaker 1: Your offense did not take that jump that you expected,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's the last month or so it's pretty

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Speaker 1: negative out there on social media, and I completely agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, you were a five win

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Speaker 1: If the Cardinals, if they would have won against the Niners,

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Speaker 1: made it. That's why last week was so important. And

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Speaker 1: Dare I say that was akin to a preseason game

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Speaker 1: best explanation for that loss? Kyle? When I say preseason,

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Speaker 1: what excuse to the Cardinals have for not having energy

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Speaker 1: that contributes to that overall vibe. But what was your sense, Darren.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I did feel a listless

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Speaker 1: when I look at this game, the defense didn't play well,

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Speaker 1: have a good game like CJ. Bethard did. And backup quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, what did Drew Stanton do as a starter?

431
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Speaker 1: It was like nine and four or something crazy insane

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Speaker 1: with the Cardinals. Now he was backing up on a

433
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Speaker 1: good team, and I get that, but you know, look overall,

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Speaker 1: I just you know, and not to devolve too much here,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, I saw when we came into the season.

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Speaker 1: I thought the Cardinals were an eight or a nine

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Speaker 1: win team. That's what I thought, and I thought they'd

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Speaker 1: have a chance to get into the postseason, especially with

439
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Speaker 1: it being expanded. Now, I'm not always right about these things.

440
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Speaker 1: I thought they'd be a little bit better than a

441
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Speaker 1: five win team last year, but it's turned out to

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Speaker 1: be fairly accurate, and they're right where I thought they

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Speaker 1: would be. And I the argument that I get back

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00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,479
Speaker 1: is but they've lost all these games to these terrible teams.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, I get that, but I don't know,

446
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Speaker 1: if you know it's easy to say those things. I

447
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: guess I just remember the hot mess of twenty eighteen

448
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,719
Speaker 1: and see where this team is coming two years and

449
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: I just I see a much different situation. And it's

450
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: not perfect. This is not the Chiefs, you know, Cliff

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury at this point is not Bill belichicker Andy Reid,

452
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: most coaches are not. And you know, I just I

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Speaker 1: feel like there's got to be a little bit of

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Speaker 1: elbow room to have some kind of progress. And I

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Speaker 1: feel like the early seasons success, the five and two

456
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Speaker 1: against probably a week schedule, everybody got in their heads

457
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Speaker 1: that this team all of a sudden should be winning

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Speaker 1: twelve games and challenging for the Super Bowl. And I

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Speaker 1: just feel like that got a little ahead of their

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Speaker 1: skis there. And by the way, we could do a

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Speaker 1: On upsets even though really are none in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about the Jets beating the Rams, and

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Speaker 1: some of the Steelers losses three in a row after

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Speaker 1: they started ten and Ozero and then, let me think

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Speaker 1: about it, the Bears lost six in a row at

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Speaker 1: one point and are on the verge of making the

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Speaker 1: playoffs right now. So there's insanity everywhere. The Cowboys put

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Speaker 1: forty plus on the Niners two weeks ago. It's just,

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Speaker 1: you know, in any notion that a team doesn't deserve

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Speaker 1: a playoff spot. First off, if you're in the NFC West,

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Speaker 1: you deserve it. Look at the NFC East. Number two,

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Speaker 1: speaking of Drew stan go back to twenty fourteen when

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals went to Carolina against the Panthers team that

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Speaker 1: was seven eight and one, and unfortunately the Cardinals had

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Speaker 1: a third string quarterback and lost that game because Luke

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Speaker 1: Keickley picked him off twice in the red zone. And

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Speaker 1: so if you're here at this point at the end

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Speaker 1: of two thou twenty, where you've all learned it, believe me,

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00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 1: at the end of two thousand and twenty, let's hit

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Speaker 1: zoom out. Yeah, that's my opinion. There's it's not an

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Speaker 1: nc double a selection committee, so it's not like you

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Speaker 1: have to lobby to make the playoffs. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you have the better record, you're going in. So I

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Speaker 1: don't I mean, are the Bears more deserving than the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: I think both have been about a five hundred team

488
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Speaker 1: and whichever one makes it makes it, or maybe they

489
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 1: both do and the Rams don't. But we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the Cardinals, the way they've tailed

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Speaker 1: off they're they haven't you know, finished strong and with

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Speaker 1: where the offense is that, you know, is a wonder

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Speaker 1: to me, like is the passing game gonna hit that

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Speaker 1: next gear at some point? Because if if they don't

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Speaker 1: get there, that's a little bit of a worry for

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Speaker 1: me long term. I feel like you're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: high floor on offense because of what Kyler Murray can

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Speaker 1: do with his legs. But I think they just need

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Speaker 1: to become more consistent in the passing game. And can

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Speaker 1: you do that in the season finale and if you

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs? If not, that's going to be a

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Speaker 1: legitimate question for me in the offseason. Consistent in the

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Speaker 1: passing game, that's euphemism for one. I mean, what's wrong?

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Speaker 1: What happens? What is lacking when the Cardinals can't get

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Speaker 1: the passing game clicking? What is it exactly? Why? Why

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Speaker 1: does it? Why is it beast or famine seemingly with

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Speaker 1: a passing game this year? Yeah, I know, it's like

508
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Speaker 1: the yards per attempt and some of these games are

509
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Speaker 1: absolut through the roof and some of them he's averaging

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Speaker 1: four or five. So I think it's a good question.

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Speaker 1: I think the intermediate passing game has never been super

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Speaker 1: efficient this season. I think that's the big issue. Like

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Speaker 1: they've had their share of thirty forty fifty yard passes

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Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray can throw a heck of a deep

515
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: ball for sure, but it's kind of that timing intermediate

516
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Speaker 1: route that hasn't always been there efficiently regularly this season.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the next step. And I think personnel wise,

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Speaker 1: I mean, DeAndre Hopkins has been great, but there has

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Speaker 1: been a number two guy to step up, really, so

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Speaker 1: I think that's a wonder two Like who is going

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Speaker 1: to be that guy this week? Who's going to be

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Speaker 1: that guy the rest of this season? And how do

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Speaker 1: you fill that role in the offseason if you don't

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Speaker 1: think it's on your roster. You know, it's a good

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Speaker 1: observation about the intermediate passing game because it does seem

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Speaker 1: like when teams play the two high safety look and

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Speaker 1: or are successful and taken away the chunk throws twenty

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Speaker 1: yards or more, the Cardinals really struggle. Example, in the

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Speaker 1: Eagles game, they had eight throws of twenty yards or

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Speaker 1: more right, hence they had over five hundred yards total yards.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Mariata at a career high four hund six yards passing.

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Speaker 1: But that's because the chunk play was part of the

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Speaker 1: offense and they were clicking on that front. So if

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Speaker 1: teams come in, hell bet on taking that away. And

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Speaker 1: then other things like, for example, we saw the corner

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Speaker 1: blitz a lot, did we not? Darren corner blitz Seemingly

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Speaker 1: that slat corner was coming often, and that was a

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Speaker 1: real nuisance. That part of Robert Sala's game plan for

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Speaker 1: the Niners. I'm real curious to see if the Rams

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Speaker 1: adopt some of that because that seemed to be a

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Speaker 1: persistent problem for the Cardinals. If he didn't get home,

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00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: he flushed Kyler out and that was problematic. Well, it

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Speaker 1: also seemed like they not only brought the corner a lot,

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Speaker 1: but they brought him on Kyler's open side, so he's

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Speaker 1: facing him off of Kyler's right so that he can't

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Speaker 1: he can't flush out of the pocket to his strong side,

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Speaker 1: so he's got a flush against his body, which makes

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Speaker 1: a little bit harder to throw on the run. Oftentimes,

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Speaker 1: if Kyler does that move, he's he has that moment

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Speaker 1: where he's spinning out of it to go back the

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Speaker 1: other way, which allows you to make sure that he

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Speaker 1: isn't looking down the field for at least a moment

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Speaker 1: or two. It makes a lot of sense if you

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Speaker 1: can get him off his mark and do it that way. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, again, I think they're still trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out some things. It's I'm I don't know what to

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Speaker 1: say about it. I agree with Kyle. I think to

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Speaker 1: have a little bit more of an intermediate passing game,

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Speaker 1: you know, something that's getting you twelve to eighteen yards

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Speaker 1: once in a while, especially in the middle of the field,

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem to be there, you know. I

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00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: know a lot of this is based around guys getting

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Speaker 1: the ball and then being able to run after the catch.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like Kyle said, you got to wonder

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Speaker 1: who who that person is stepping up. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins has done that a few times. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's really Larry Fitzgerald game anymore. He's not

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Speaker 1: getting a whole lot of separation, and he's not super

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Speaker 1: fast anymore. So if he gets the ball at five yards,

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Speaker 1: you know, unless he breaks a big tackle, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough for him to get a lot

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Speaker 1: of yards there. And you know, I thought Dan Arnold

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Speaker 1: was having a nice season, but he obviously struggled in

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers game in a couple of different areas.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think there's still some things that they

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Speaker 1: need to do. Adding a playmaker would be helpful. And

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Speaker 1: I think again, as I mentioned earlier, that's why not

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Speaker 1: having Chase Edmonds means so much, because he's their best

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Speaker 1: receiving running back. He's one of the most dynamic guys

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Speaker 1: they have in the open field, and the offense with

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Speaker 1: him and without him, I think is a huge There's

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Speaker 1: a huge difference there. And it's a hip injury. Kyle

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Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, yeah, he's Cliff Kingsbury said he's day

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Speaker 1: to day and he's I mean, he had the knee,

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00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: the ankles, he's pretty beat up. But I totally agree

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Speaker 1: with Darren. I mean, it was noticeable that the Cardinals

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00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: in space, we're not breaking tackles against the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: And Chase Edmonds is a guy who has regularly shown

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Speaker 1: he can do that. So if you could have him

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Speaker 1: and when you dump it off to your running back

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Speaker 1: and he can get eight yards instead of two, that's

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00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: a big difference. I think that's important. And Kyler Kyler's status. Now,

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Speaker 1: I guess the good news is that he walked off

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Speaker 1: the field against the Niners under his own power. Correct, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and there didn't seem to be too noticeable of a limp.

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Speaker 1: Now you have no idea what happens twenty four hours

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00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: later and when he gets up in the morning, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Don't even know exactly what the nature of the injury is.

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00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: It's a proverbial hockey lower leg. So but you gotta

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00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: figure he's going. And if he isn't going, then all right.

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Speaker 1: Somebody helped me out here because we've had some conflicting

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Speaker 1: answers or maybe some cryptic responses as to who the

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Speaker 1: backup would be with the playoffs hanging in the balance.

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Speaker 1: You're smiling a big smile over there, Kyle, so go ahead. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be your guy if Kyler Murray's

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Speaker 1: not playing. So I'm just excited for you, Paul. Can

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00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: you imagine talk about pass fail. Chris Streveler is gonna

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Speaker 1: win against the Rams, take the Cardinals into the playoffs,

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00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: probably Wally Pip, Kyler Murray win the Super Bowl, maybe

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Speaker 1: win the next year's Super Bowl. I mean, this is

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00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: the start of a of a book right here a movie.

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00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: I will say one of the things I've enjoyed the

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Speaker 1: most is Pat McAfee, the former Pro Bowl colts punter

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00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: who's turned media personality great. He's so fun to listen

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00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: to if you can deal with a off color word

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00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: or two once in a while. But he had a

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Speaker 1: rant today because obviously the Rams losing golf was a

618
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: big story and Walford playing quarterback, but with Murray's injury,

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Speaker 1: people have kind of half paid attention to what might

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Speaker 1: happen here, whether it's Struggler or Hunley, and we can

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Speaker 1: get to that in a minute. But Pat McAfee apparently

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00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: just found out that it could be Chris Streveler and

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Speaker 1: then decided to do a little research on Chris Struggler,

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Speaker 1: and on his podcast you was the little bit of

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00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: the video of Chris Streveler having partaken in a couple

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00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: of adult beverages while during the Great Cup Parade, wearing

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Speaker 1: his his fur coat and his hat and his cowboy

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00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: hat and his um sunglasses, and the best part of

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Speaker 1: it was them him and his guys on his podcast

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00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: thoroughly enjoying every part of Chris Streveler, which we know

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Speaker 1: Paul is why you love him so much. But all

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00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: through the two and a half minute clift, Pat McAfee

633
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: keeps calling him Chris Strafalski. He said, I love Chris Trafalski.

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00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Chris Devolski. He called him at the

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00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: whole way, and I just I loved every minute of it.

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Speaker 1: So whether it's Chris Defolski playing quarterback or Brett Hunley,

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Speaker 1: I don't know yet. I do know that the Cliff

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00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: did back off when he went on the radio and

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00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: when he was asked directly if if it would be

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Speaker 1: Streveler or starting, if Murray couldn't go, or if they

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Speaker 1: would use the more experience Bret Hunley, he said that

642
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: would be an organizational decision and we'll cross that bridge

643
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: when we come to it. So we'll see what happens.

644
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: Chris dra Fallski, I think, is the goalie for the

645
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: Manitoba Moose. He's like a minor league hockey player. That's

646
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: what is I mean, come on now, that's that's that

647
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: is funny and absolutely mean McAfee, where you've been on this.

648
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean, the dude won the Great Cup. He's drinking

649
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: the Great Cup. He's shirtless with his mother in law's

650
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: fur coat on and the cowboy hat. You know, you know,

651
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: if he is the starting quarterback, you know they tweet

652
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: out the uniforms hanging in the locker like twas the

653
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: night before. They should tweet out a picture with the

654
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: cowboy hat and the fur coat hanging in and leveler's locker.

655
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: That would be money, right, that would be absolutely money,

656
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: There's no doubt. But look as much as I as

657
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: much as I love the personality that is Chris Streveler,

658
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: I have no idea what he would bring over four quarters.

659
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: He hasn't even thrown a pass in the NFL. Kyle,

660
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: how could you not go with the playoffs hanging in

661
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: the bounce and Darren? How? How could you not go

662
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: with Brett Hunley, who at least engineered you a win

663
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: in Seattle last year in Week sixteen. I'm gonna let

664
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Speaker 1: Kyle answer this, but I just want to clarify for

665
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: having done some of the research on Straveler when I

666
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: did a story on him when he first signed. I

667
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: like the guy. He's a super cool guy, and I'm

668
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: curious to know what would happen if he played. But

669
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: let's not forget on that CFL winning team, he was

670
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: not the starting quarterback. He lost the quarterback job. He

671
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: was replaced as the quarterback, and he turned into the

672
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill type person where he could throw some passes,

673
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: run the ball, make some catches, and that was his

674
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: role when they won. It wasn't as the starting quarterback.

675
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: So that's I said that. But but I know Kyle

676
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: feels strongly about this, so we'll let him talk. Well,

677
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: my question would be, why is Chris Streveler active every

678
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: single week of the season as your number two? And

679
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: then so you're saying that you think he's better than

680
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: Brett Hunley, And then at the point when you're playing

681
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: a game to go to the playoffs, why would you

682
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: switch off of that thinking because of experience, Like you've

683
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 1: watched these guys in camp, you've seen them every single

684
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: day in the regular season in practice, Like, well, why

685
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: would you switch because Brett Hunley has played in the

686
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: NFL and Chris Streveler hasn't. I mean, you think one

687
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: guy is better than the other. And if if it

688
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: was Brett Hunley from the beginning, then Brett Hunley is

689
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: the backup, but Streveler has been the backup since the

690
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: start of the season, and I would say that Jen

691
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: at this point, I agree with you. I'll be honest.

692
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: When we came into the season and Streveler was the backup,

693
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: I was thinking the whole reason he was the backup

694
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: was because he was going to have a Taysom Hill

695
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: type package of plays. It's kind of like the Saints

696
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: when Drew Brees is healthy, Jamis Winston is inactive. Although

697
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: I think he's probably the better quarterback than Taysom Hill.

698
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: We can argue that all day Sean Payton. But but

699
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: because they liked using Hill in certain packages during the game,

700
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: he was going to be active. And I thought that's

701
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: what was going to happen with Chris Strevelers, Like he'd

702
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: be number two, so he would be active during games

703
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,959
Speaker 1: with Kyler and you'd use him. What's in a while

704
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: Now they obviously they did that on a couple plays

705
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: early in the season. Then that disappeared. So I'm leaning

706
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: towards where you are, Kyle, But that's what I thought

707
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: it was originally. Yeah, that would be my answer too.

708
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: There's a leveler package and that's what his uses on

709
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: game day, whereas a Brett Huntley would strictly be the backup,

710
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: would only have a role in the event that Kyler

711
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: is injured. Now, the last three months, we haven't seen

712
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: that package, so we two. I mean, running it in

713
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: the first half of September. Is that still enough to

714
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: make a defense to have to prepare for it during

715
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: a game week? Is that's still enough for a defense

716
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: to have to actually account for that and devote game

717
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: preparation to the leveler package if you haven't half months.

718
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: I think they know who Chris Treveler is, and they

719
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: know he's a mobile quarterback and he's bigger than Kyler.

720
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: But I don't think you're spending very much practice time

721
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: worried about Chris Traveler until this week when you know

722
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna throw for four or fifty for one fifty

723
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals are going to score sixty five. By

724
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: the way, when he worked out for the Cardinals, if

725
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: you guys remember my report was having talked to some

726
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: of the personnel guys who are at that workout. They

727
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: said he was stellar as a receiver. They said he

728
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: caught everything, he ran good routes because he had a

729
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: receiver background at South Dakota for a while. I mean

730
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: there's more than just Strebler under center, Streggler in the gun,

731
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: run it right, throw it left. So I don't know,

732
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting to do some of that. We're just

733
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: recycling talk from the preseason at this point. Now you're

734
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: trying to get the Strebler package back in in week seventeen,

735
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: and can I just I'll throw out a real conspiracy

736
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: theory here. How do you know either way? Because there

737
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: was no preseason he didn't even get preseason snaps. I mean,

738
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: we're talking about preseason, man, and he didn't even get those.

739
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if it's been more about what Brent Huntley

740
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: has not done. I mean, dare I say, could there

741
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: be a doghouse that Bret Hunley has found himself in

742
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: this year? Because if I'm in, if I'm in the

743
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: trust tree right now, I'm telling you That's what I've

744
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: wondered for a long time. Did somehow Bret Hunley lose

745
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: the confidence or trust of this coaching staff somehow and

746
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: that's why the move was made, not necessarily anything that

747
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: Chris Streveler did. I don't know. It's it's baffling to

748
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: me in a lot of different ways. I guess We'll

749
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: never really know, because I would ultimately think that Kyler

750
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: Murray is going to end up playing this weekend and

751
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: bring injury. We won't know, but um so I don't know.

752
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: It is going to be fascinating going into the offseason.

753
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: What happens. But Hunley is a free agent, whether they

754
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: let him walk away, if they bring in somebody else

755
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: to challenge Streveler or Straveler as the guy they might

756
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: want to be the backup next year, what they do,

757
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to be curious. So what do we make

758
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: of John Woolford? Has anybody gone in? Can I give

759
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: you guys? All right? You guys Stall have editors. They're

760
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: editors here in two thousand, almost twenty one. Because if

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00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: I was the editors you're looking at, Darren urban is

762
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: Kyle Odeguard's editor, and Kyle Odeguard is Darren Urbans editor.

763
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: So okay, it works around our place. Good? Then I

764
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: don't I don't forget the middleman. I'm going right to

765
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: the source. Here we go. Here, here's some value added advice.

766
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: I'll invoice you guys for this later. You can put

767
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: on the twenty twenty one budget from cal VS Consulting.

768
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: Somebody needs to track down Jeff Munn, the former voice

769
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: of the Arizona hot Shots, who saw every single snap

770
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: taken by John Wolford, and when I ran into him

771
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: in the kta R newsroom, was telling about how Trevor

772
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: Knight was drafted from Oklahoma to be the starting quarterback

773
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: and the hot Shots went to camp in San Antonio

774
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: and three four weeks later, came back and all of

775
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, John Wolford was under center running with the

776
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: first team offense and was like, what's going on? And

777
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: Wolford had beaten out Trevor Knight and the rest is history,

778
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: and boom. He led the hot Shots and touchdown passes

779
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: that year. Wait a minute, should we have a moment

780
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: of silence for former Arizona Cardinals great Trevor Knight. That's right,

781
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. That's right. He was a cardinal.

782
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: It's upon a time, that's right. However brief it might

783
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: have been. Yeah, So, apparently, you know, he's somewhere between

784
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: six feet and six one, although the list him at

785
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: six one. Apparently he's a pretty good athlete. He can

786
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: definitely keep a defense honest with his feet. He's according

787
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: to sources, Jeff Munn. He has a good deep ball.

788
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: He's got a strong enough arm, he's accurate with a

789
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: deep ball. So I'm not exactly sure what other book

790
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: is out there on a guy who's never thrown a

791
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: pass in the NFL. But guys, that's about as close

792
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: as you're gonna get right there, because there is no

793
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: other real info on the guy in an NFL setting.

794
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: And as the week has gone on, there's been kind

795
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: of a cult following for John Wolford. Mina kinds of

796
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: ESPN is apparently a big John Wolford fan. She did

797
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: like the Rams preseason a couple of years ago and

798
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: said she's got like pages and pages of John Wolford.

799
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: Nows and some other people are now breaking down his

800
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: Arizona hot shots fill him. I mean, he's a backup

801
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: quarterback who's never thrown a pass in the NFL, so

802
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't think expectations are like super high. He's a

803
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: guy that went undrafted, bounced around, but yeah, I mean

804
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: it seems like he's got some traits that fit in

805
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: well with the Rams. He obviously beat out Blake Bortles,

806
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: who is a former number what number three overall pick,

807
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: like's not he's not just some guy off the scrap.

808
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: Why he's moved up on their depth chart the last

809
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: couple of years and stuck around in the NFL. We'll

810
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: know a lot more on Sunday, but I think clearly

811
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: the Cardinals can't take him lightly, especially knowing what just

812
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: happened last week. Like we said, if if Los Angeles

813
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: runs the ball, well, if they play good defense, I

814
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: think John Wolford can be efficient enough to give him

815
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: a shot. You know the other thing about John Wolford

816
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: And we'll get this picture right here. He apparently looks

817
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: like he's fifteen years old. And I'm gonna show you

818
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: guys this picture over zoom. See if you can see

819
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: this right now. If you're listening to Cardinals Underground here

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00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: brought to you by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner or

821
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: on the Cardinals, you need to google up a picture

822
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: of John Wafford without his helmet on. People with a

823
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: hotshot said he'd come out because he's not the biggest guy.

824
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: He's just over six feet tall, and he'd be like, okay,

825
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Is that the starting quarterback? Or should

826
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: he have a gatorade bucket in his hand? Is that

827
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: the waterboy. I mean, that's how young he looks. That's crazy. Honestly,

828
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he has his driver's license based on

829
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: this photo. We all looked the young ones, Paul. It's

830
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Yeah, oh my gosh. All right,

831
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure what to make of that. I

832
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: will say that to your point earlier. And this is

833
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: my last thought on the Rams. It always starts with

834
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: number ninety nine and Michael Brockers and how he feeds

835
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: off Aaron Donald and that Cardinal's offensive line. Can somebody

836
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: give me an explanation for thirty two false starts? In fact,

837
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: you know what, it wouldn't be Cardinals underground without a

838
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: new analytics So, Kyle, here you go. FSPG false starts

839
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Speaker 1: per game, and right now the Cardinals are an even

840
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: two point oh right, two false starts per game. They

841
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: have thirty two and sixteen games and fifteen games. You're right, okay,

842
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: so do the math. Now we're in decimals and I'm

843
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: out of my league. Hashtag math. So there we go.

844
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: But honestly, they activated Lamont Guilliard this week, and we've

845
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: seen the issue with moving the football, Kyle, could there

846
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: be a movement on the depth chart at center. Yeah,

847
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: I mean we already saw Justin Murray coming in for JR.

848
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: Sweezy at guard, and we'll see. I think Mason Cole

849
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: has played decently enough this season, but yeah, those those

850
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: false start penalties are fresh in the mind of everybody.

851
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: And when you're not passing the ball, like we've talked

852
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: about with the intermediate game, if you're not getting seven

853
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: eight yards per attempt, you can get into a lot

854
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: of third downs. And when you're in third and ten

855
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: and you're not a great passing team, that can be trouble.

856
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: So I think the fall starts are a big deal.

857
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: Especially it's so mystifying because there isn't a crowd this season.

858
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean, when there's the noise, you can understand it

859
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: a lot more. But when there's not crowd noise, it's

860
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: just either a concentration laps or you're getting a little

861
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: anxious whatever it is. It's been. You know, these self

862
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: inflicted penalties pre snap that are really hard to stomach

863
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: when you're a fan of the Cardinals and anything like that.

864
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if you play a sloppy game, you're talking

865
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: about maybe being the end of your season. Dare we

866
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: mention any parallels of two thousand and eight. You were

867
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: there every step of the way. Does this feel like

868
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: that season enough to merit a mention here as we

869
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: wrap up Cardinals Underground. I mean, I think there can

870
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a mention, Paul. I mean

871
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: in the sense that the defense has been kind of

872
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: up and down, has a handful of playmakers, in the

873
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: sense that Week sixteen they had a horrific loss that

874
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to trash them and tell them how terrible

875
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: they were. And in the sense that nobody expected a

876
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: lot out of them going into that last game. Now

877
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: there are differences. Significant difference is one, they were well

878
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: already in the playoffs, but by now they could have

879
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: lost that last game and it wouldn't have mattered. They

880
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: still would have hosted the Falcons in that first playoff game.

881
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: This team obviously has to win to even get in

882
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: the playoffs. And the other big one to me, obviously

883
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: they had a future Hall of Fame quarterback that was

884
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: able to wrangle the locker room and wrangle this whole roster,

885
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: and I think Kurt Warner's influence made a big difference

886
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: as they headed into the playoffs and Obviously, their current

887
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: quarterback Kyler Murray, while potentially very talented and has shown

888
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: it many times, just isn't there yet with his experience.

889
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: Isn't there yet with how to handle I think the

890
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: entire roster. I mean, he's learning on the fly. I'm

891
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: not blaming him for that, but he's not gonna be

892
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner, who at that point had already been to

893
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: and won a Super Bowl and been to another one

894
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: and won an MVP. So that's a whole different thing.

895
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: But there's a there's some there's some parallels there, and

896
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: you know, they'll feel a lot better with themselves, obviously

897
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: if they win this weekend, no matter how it goes.

898
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: And if you're in the playoffs, you're in the playoffs.

899
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: And the one thing we did learn about two thousand

900
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: and eight, Paul, was once you're in, a lot of

901
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: stuff can happen, even if you're not expecting it. I mean,

902
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: for example, if you're in you could go to Seattle,

903
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: you've already beaten the Seahawks. You could go to New

904
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: Orleans and without fans in the Superdome, okay, kick that

905
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: game off. He could also go to Green Bay. Those

906
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: are the three possibilities if the Cardinals make the playoffs

907
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: and you could deal with horrific weather conditions. But guess

908
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: what two years ago in twenty eighteen, they won at Lambeaux.

909
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: That's Steve Wilkes team with Josh Rosen, and they did

910
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: so on a snowy day in December, Kyle, So you know,

911
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: you know what stuck out to me also about that

912
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: Niners game was how many guys in the Niners locker

913
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: room after the game said they rallied around CJ. Bether,

914
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: who's an ultra popular guy in that locker room, and

915
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: at dealwa tragedy exactly a year earlier when his brother

916
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: was stabbed and killed. And so it just if this

917
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: team has something to rally around right now. Maybe it's

918
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: the haters all week. Maybe it's everyone bagging on the

919
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: team after the week's sixteen loss. Maybe it's uh the

920
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: Rams supposedly saying that we're getting Jared Goff under the

921
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: knife now because when we make the playoffs, he's going

922
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: to be good to go. Really, Okay, that's a little presumptuous.

923
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: Perhaps even though they can still make it with a

924
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: loss against the Cardinals, they need to concoct something to

925
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: rally around if the whole prospect of a playoff berth

926
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: isn't enough, because you know what, sometimes as cheesy as

927
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: it sounds, it works. And that Cardinals team rallied around

928
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: shock the world, and some of the comments that said

929
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: they were the worst playoff team ever to make the

930
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: NFL postseason, well, surprisingly, I don't agree. Um, I mean,

931
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: at this point, you're motivated. I mean, you're you're playing.

932
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: Did that look like a motivated team in Week sixteen?

933
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: You you got? You take a lot of bullback for

934
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: that on social media. I presume I don't. I mean

935
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't understand why you couldn't be motivated

936
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: in that scenario. I just think you lost to a

937
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: team that was much better than you in that game.

938
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: And I don't really subscribe to the urgency and the

939
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: energy thing because I think it was there and if

940
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: they won. You know, you just look at things differently

941
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: depending on the outcome of the game. And you start

942
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: talking about energy when a team isn't playing well. But

943
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't think it's an urgency thing. I think they

944
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: got beat and I think you need to get your

945
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: running game going, your traditional running game going in this

946
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: one because for the last six games or so, the

947
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: Cardinals are probably at about three and a half yards

948
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: per carry when you take out Kyler Murray scrambles. I

949
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: don't think they're running the ball well. I think we've

950
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: talked about the passing game being up and down, like

951
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: that's the sort of stuff to me, more so than

952
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: energy and urgency where you have to execute offensively and

953
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: get back to what you were earlier, because that stuff

954
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: has disappeared. And if you don't get back to moving

955
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: the ball efficiently on offense, you're just, hey, you're not

956
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: going to make the playoffs. And then if you can

957
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: get in because you're playing in a backup quarterback, you're

958
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: not gonna stay long. And talking about that Super Bowl team,

959
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: they had an excellent passing team, and that's that can

960
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: carry you at times even if you have other issues.

961
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: If you can throw, you've got a chance. And this

962
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: season the Cardinals have just been in too many games

963
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: where they didn't efficiently move the ball through the air.

964
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: So to me, that's what stands out. And I know

965
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: we talk about a lot of things, but when I'm

966
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: looking at this game and this season, can they throw

967
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: the ball? That's going to be the story of the

968
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: rest of the way. And I would say, going back

969
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: to that twenty eighteen what was the big part of

970
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: that team too? That was a completely unbalanced pass, first past, second, past, third,

971
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: run maybe sixth place in what they did offensively, And

972
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: they found their running game, especially the three games before

973
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, which was amazing. Adrian James kind of

974
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: found a little bit of fountain of youth. He played

975
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.

976
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: The running game was more productive in the playoffs and

977
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: it was in the regular season, and it gave them

978
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of bad ance off of that, and

979
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, again, you need all these offensive things. We

980
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: talked about Wolford playing, We talk about potentially Cooper Cup

981
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: not playing because he's on the COVID list now and

982
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens there. And even if he does play,

983
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: he's not going to get to practice with a quarterback

984
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: he's never practiced with. So you're gonna have some advantages

985
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: when your defense is on the field. But again, like

986
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: Kyle said, what can you do to crack this number

987
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: one ranked RAMS defense? And can you do it playing

988
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: better than you have been lately, which you wouldn't think

989
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: that would necessarily be there, and I think that's going

990
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: to be the key to the game. Cardinals offense. Can

991
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: they produce that's it? And you know what, I'll go

992
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: back to the goal line touchdown where Kenyan Drake got

993
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: airborne and went crowdsurfing like he was in a mosh

994
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: pit of a rock concert. And when they got stuffed

995
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: the play prior, he was screaming, run it again, let's

996
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: go again, let's come off the ball, let's go downhill.

997
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: And I'd love to see that, because if there is

998
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: one way to go at the Rams, it's straight ahead.

999
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald isn't the biggest guy, and so maybe you

1000
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: come off. You try and send a message from the beginning,

1001
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: and you let the old line coming off less than

1002
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: stellar game for an old line that's been really good

1003
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: most of the year. You let them prove it against

1004
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: that Ram tough defensive front right from the get go.

1005
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if that's the approach, and try

1006
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: to set a tone early. It's so far stadium, but

1007
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 1: we'll see, you know, Darren. You know. Look to wrap

1008
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: up this edition a Cardinals Underground brought you by Pacific

1009
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: Office Automation pro partner Arizona Cardinals. Best case scenario, Darren,

1010
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: is that your college student and the Arizona Cardinals sort

1011
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: of wrap up this semester the same way. You know,

1012
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: the team comes to the head coach says, Dad, you

1013
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: know what, there was a lot of drama, but we

1014
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: got it done. Pass fail, I just passed. We're going

1015
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: to the postseason. You know, your son comes to u

1016
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: D and he says, hey, you know what, Dad, no worries,

1017
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: no sweat, I had it all along, oolm I got

1018
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: the credits. I'm still on track to the degree. Be fair.

1019
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: Alec did get a bee finally in the class that

1020
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: he taken multiple times um and is and is now

1021
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: going to graduate this spring. So I gotta give him

1022
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: problem there you go. See there's a happy ending. Well,

1023
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: one big gets another. You know, let's stay positive here,

1024
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: right Kyle? Come on now, yep, Cardinals got to follow

1025
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: that lead and get a B you know what. And

1026
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: then and then you start the next semester and you

1027
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: start from zero again, boom, you reset on Absolutely that'll

1028
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: do it for Cardinals Underground