1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Why from our nation's capital this budget thing is going 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: to do nothing? Space Force. I still think it's interesting 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: President Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Politics Colliding Floomberg Sound On, the Insiders, the influencers, the insides. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: than it looked in. You really have a divide within 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: Team Trump. The President has to do exactly what people 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: send him here to do, which is to get it done. 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Shirling on Bloomberg 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven fm h D two. 12 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: President Trump says he did not link Ukraine aid to 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: investigation of the Bidens. Again, President Trump saying he did 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: not link Ukraine aids to investigation of the Biden's more 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: fallout with the latest back and forth between President Trump 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: and former Vice President Biden, What does it mean for 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: the field and can Biden continued to survive in terms 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: of the questions swirling around one of his sons Hunter? Meanwhile, 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: why President Trump's Ukraine call has invigorated calls for impeachment? 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: Can Speaker Pelosi continued a thward off those calls and 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: should investors be worried not about President Trump tariffs but 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: about President Elizabeth Warren tariffs. We have a lot to 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,279 Speaker 1: get through today. All of that, plus we're keeping tabs 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: around the world on a host of different Brexit headlines 25 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: and Israeli election headlines. President Trump said Monday that he 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: did not ask Ukraine's president for an investigation of former 27 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: Vice President Joe Biden in an exchange for US military eight. 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: All right, that's that's the headlines over from today, and 29 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: it dominated the discourse over the weekend. I want to 30 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: play for you now what President Trump said earlier today 31 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: with regards to this July iPhone call with Ukraine President 32 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: Zelinski or Ukraine leader. I guess technically we don't even 33 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: know if it was whis Zilinski. He said that it 34 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: was innocent. He said it was very nice. And it 35 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: all comes following this whistleblower. This whistleblower, an anonymous whistleblower 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: that filed a complaint about raising concerns for President Trump's 37 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: conversations with this foreign leader of Ukraine. House Democrats Senate 38 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: Democrats have been urging there to be an investigation. They've 39 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 1: urged the Department of Justice to release the information surrounding 40 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: the whistleblower, d o J saying, hey, not so fast. 41 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: We've got protections on whistleblowers for a reason. For a reason, 42 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: there's we protect them now. President Trump saying that he 43 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: did not offer any type of deal to get dirt 44 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: on Joe Biden. Here's the President of the United States 45 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: earlier today. There was no pressure put on them whatsoever. 46 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: I put no pressure on them whatsoever. I could have 47 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: I think would probably possibly have been okay if I did, 48 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't put any pressure on them whatsoever. 49 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: You know why, because they want to do the right thing, 50 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: and they know about corruption, and they probably know that 51 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and his son are corrupt. They probably know that. 52 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: So there you have it, President Trump going directly after 53 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden, who had served 54 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: on the board of an energy corporation while President Trump, 55 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, while former Vice President Joe Biden was in 56 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: the office. The insinuation is that there's some type of 57 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: profiteering going on on behalf of the Biden's here in 58 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: which they deny here with me in studio, Abe startered 59 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: associate editor and columnists at Real Clear Politics, and Brett Ruin, 60 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: President of the Global Situation Room and former White House 61 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: Director of Global Engagement. A babe. It's almost like there's 62 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: two different stories. One is did President Trump act incorrectly 63 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: in his conversations with Ukraine President Zelinski? And two is 64 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: there are there un answered questions for Hunter Biden and 65 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: the Biden campaign to answer regarding their relationship with the Ukraine. Well, 66 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: I think that Hunter Biden has had, as we know 67 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: from his history, a very rough struggle, and his father 68 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: was serving in office while he was working in a 69 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: in a job involved with the Ukrainian energy company UM 70 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: that may have, you know, had some overlap with policy 71 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: decisions that the coalition. Brett will know more about this. 72 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: But of of countries that came together to demand the 73 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: resignation of this prosecutor general were multiple, There was multiple 74 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: countries behind it. It wasn't Joe Biden doing something for 75 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: his son. So this has been fact checked by the 76 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: Washington Post, and I commend everyone to research this whole 77 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: story and read up on it. Though it's always potentially 78 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: unseemly or potentially unethical when you have this kind of overlap. 79 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: So I also command everyone to read up on Ivanca 80 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Trump's trademarks that she's received from the government UM in 81 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: Beijing and all the other overlapping connections between the Trump 82 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: organization which the Suns are running, and involvements with foreign governments. 83 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: So there's that bucket of questions about whether or not 84 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: you should bend over backwards to to distance and disconnect 85 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 1: all um business and personal in in UM high levels 86 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: of government, no question, UM. But I think this story 87 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: because of the way that the Trump world is trying 88 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: to come and you've seen a concerted effort from Rudy 89 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: Giuliani's tweets that started this morning. If I left the house, 90 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: he started with two. They were mostly gibberish, but it's 91 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: going to be very aggressive. Um. There doesn't seem to 92 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: be any kind of instant response yet from the Democrats 93 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: on this. You saw an attempt by cabinet secretaries to 94 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: come out and sort of filipbus for every answer to 95 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: intentionally bring it back to Joe Biden and Hunter Biden 96 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: or crooks or whatever they were saying on the Sunday shows. 97 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: So this is you can see, this is you know, 98 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: their response to what completely apart from the Biden families 99 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: doings is conduct by a presidented states that's really not permitted. 100 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: Whether there was extortion for foreign aid or not, you 101 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: are not allowed as president to solicit the help in 102 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: a political campaign from a foreign government. Forget the two, 103 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: forget the aid. Um. We do need to know more, Kevin. 104 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: There was supposedly a promise that that President Trump made, 105 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: and we have to see the complaint, or at least 106 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: our congressmen and women have to see the complaint. But 107 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: remember that this is a lot of gaslighting about issues 108 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: that are not connected to whether or not the president 109 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: has violated his oath of office to defend and faithfully 110 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: execute what is demanded of him by our conc Aby 111 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: daughter's here. She is associate editor and columnists at Real 112 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: Clear Politics, as is Brett Brewing, President of the Global 113 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: Situation Room and former White House Director of Global Engagement. Brett, 114 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: let me play for you some more of what President 115 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: Trump said earlier this afternoon and get you to follow 116 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: up on on what Aby said because he was asked 117 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: about the president. I mean, Abe's talking about precedent in 118 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: terms of a president talking to a foreign leader in 119 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: exchange for political dirt Allah. What happened when candidate Donald Trump, allegedly, 120 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: if you read the Mueller Report, was discussing with others. 121 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to relitigate the Mueller report associates that 122 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: his associates, right, I mean, I think we would all 123 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: that's not an opinionated statement, but we all remember. So 124 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: President Trump's talking about precedent in terms of what aby saying. 125 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: Take a listen to President Trump talking about the president 126 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: that this sets with regards to chatting to a foreign leader. 127 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: Here is, I don't think it's a great precedent to 128 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: be releasing call calls with foreign countries heads of foreign countries. 129 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: So I don't think it's a great precedent. So I 130 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: didn't say I was going to release it at all. 131 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: And then take a take a listen to what he 132 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: said about whether or not he gave anything up in 133 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: exchange for something else, if there was any type of deal. 134 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: Here he is. Again, I did not make a statement 135 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: that you have to do this or I'm not going 136 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: to give you a I wouldn't do that. So I 137 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: actually find myself in agreement with President Trump on his 138 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: first point, which was that is that these calls should 139 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: not be pushed out into the public sphere. But that 140 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: is not what the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, 141 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: who was appointed by Donald J. Trump, is asking for. 142 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: What we're asking for is that Congress is allowed to 143 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: conduct oversight over credible and urgent matters that relate to 144 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: the intelligence community. And that is where Congress has the 145 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: right to read the transcript, to hear the call if necessary, 146 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: in order to determine whether or not there was some 147 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: malfeasance and not necessary a public not necessarily a public transcripts. 148 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: And that's important because a lot of people think, well, 149 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: at least the transcript real time. No, they are raised, 150 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: you can do it behind closed doors. There are and 151 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: I do want to push back on this because these 152 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: days we have this notion. I think the Mueller investigation 153 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: created precedents which can be problematic for the practice of diplomacy. 154 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: You cannot have heads of state calls that are going 155 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: to be point because all of a sudden, now heads 156 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: of state are going to not have that direct conversation 157 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: that at times Barack Obama had with Vladimir Putin, with 158 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: Shijing Ping. That's what it requires to successfully execute these 159 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: kind of calls, All right, coming up. We're gonna have 160 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: to stay with this because there's that's the Trump angle, 161 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: and now we got to talk about what this means 162 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: in context and in terms of other other democratic Canada 163 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: potentially going after the Biden campaign. I'm so grateful to 164 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: have a v. Stoddard and Brett Ruin here, two of 165 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: my truthfully two of my favorites and two of my 166 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: role models coming up. 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What will it take for Congress 176 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: to ask to act and to perform their constitutionally mandated duty. 177 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: If if they failed to do that, they will have 178 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: set the precedent which we're close to locking in right 179 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: now that some people are above the law. That was 180 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: former Texas Congressmen Beta O'Rourke, who is running for president 181 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: as a Democrat. Uh He was asked about the the 182 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: latest calls for investigation and even some Democrats calling for 183 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: impeachment with regards to a conversation the President Trump had 184 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: with Ukrainian President Zelenski about Joe Biden. Now President Trump 185 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: today denying that he made any political promise in exchange 186 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: for dirt on Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who was 187 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: appointed to the board of Barissma Group Barissma Holdings, which 188 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: is a Ukrainian oil and gas company, and Republicans are 189 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: saying deserves a look into. Democrats are saying that a 190 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: whistleblower complaint filed against President Trump for this conversation he 191 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: had in July with the Ukrainian president ought to be investigated. 192 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: With me that we were talking about, We're talking about 193 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: the Trump political implications earlier. I want to talk about 194 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: the Biden political implications now with me here in studio 195 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: ab Stoddard, she is an associate editor and columnists a 196 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: Real Clear Politics and Brett Bruin, President of the Global 197 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: Situation Room, and former White House Director of Global Engagement 198 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: Brett through the lens of is this bad news for 199 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's campaign. It's bad news insofar as it reminds 200 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: voters that whether it's Biden or for that matter, Trump 201 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: or the Clintons, there is this atmosphere around a number 202 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: of our political leaders families that isn't always um so 203 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: clean and and so ethical. Now, I think the challenge 204 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: for Biden is to try and push back this narrative 205 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: and keep the public, keep Congress focused on the ethical 206 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: issues that President Trump has. But if you're Elizabeth Warren 207 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: and the Biden campaign is arguing that you are quote 208 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: not who you say you are, we're just a couple 209 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: of weeks away from the next election or the next 210 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: debate a b do you go after Hunter Biden? If 211 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: you're Elizabeth Barred? I really think this is time for 212 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: I think the d n c UM is is raping 213 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: what it's sown over the sort of over to democratization 214 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: of the primary campaign where Aran Williamson can come in 215 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: and sell books and all this goofiness and wasted time 216 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: and wasted money, really precious wasted time, I think really 217 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: shows that they've lost control of the ship. They were 218 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: really burned by the Bernie experience, and then so they 219 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: were trying to make it really open and fair and 220 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: and and and hands off. I think it's time for them, 221 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: um and it wouldn't have to be public, but for 222 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: them to come together. And if I were Tom Perez, 223 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: or if I was if this was happening on the 224 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: Republican side, I would recommend that the that the party 225 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: leadership quietly go to everyone and say, you hold your 226 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: fire on this, you stay united, don't take cheap shots 227 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: at this guy's son, and you can choose your time 228 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: and ways to criticize Joe Biden. But now is not 229 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: the time to let Trump go out and make up 230 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: junk about Joe Biden every day because most of what 231 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: he's saying isn't even true. So yes, but it is 232 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: true that he was I mean it is true that 233 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: he was appointed to waal, Joe Biden was vice president, 234 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: that he was named in in April of two thousand 235 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: and fourteen. I don't think we know that Joe Biden 236 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: has done anything wrong. I think I don't Biden getting 237 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: a good job. The president is saying that Joe Biden, 238 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: if he was a probably gonna be an electric chair. 239 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: He's accusing the former vice president of major corruption and 240 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: getting this prosecutor general fired. I think we need to 241 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: differentiate between those two. And my long answer is no, 242 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: Kevin if Warden, I wouldn't touch this with a town 243 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: but let me let me I hear you and I hear. 244 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: But this is what if. Elizabeth Warren's entire campaign is 245 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: there's too much which it is, there's too much corruption 246 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: in Washington and there's too big and we gotta break 247 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: up big banks. And that's her entire messaging. I am 248 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: not alleging. I listen, we I follow the facts. I 249 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: don't take an opinion. The fact is Hunter Biden was 250 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: named to Barism holdings in April two thousand and fourteen 251 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: while his father was was vice president, and I'm with 252 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: that deserves scrutiny. I'm with a be on this. Joe 253 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: Biden's family and everything that Biden himself has been through 254 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: with loss and grieving is just the third round. You 255 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: you don't touch it. But That's not what I'm asking though, 256 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: right I mean, what I'm asking is is if if 257 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: the if the Trump children are rightfully under investigation in 258 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: terms of all of the myriad of questions. If if 259 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: if Donald Trump Jr. Or if Eric Trump, or if 260 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: Ivanka Trump We're given a position or take a job 261 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: on a board of a a or even one of 262 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: the pens kids we're taking a job on the on 263 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: the board of of an energy company, wouldn't there be scrutiny? 264 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: I think, as reporters who have looked into this matter 265 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: a test to there, there just isn't any smoke there. 266 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: And I think at this point, if I'm in the 267 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: Biden campaign, I take advantage of this opportunity, I turn 268 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: it back and said, yes, let's talk about some of 269 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: the really concerning ethical actions of members of the Trump 270 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: family and and let's let me be in it. And 271 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: I would encourage them to be as transparent as possible 272 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: about what happened, how it happened, and particularly the vice 273 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: president's role, because visiting the sins of a son or 274 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: a daughter on their parent, I think all of us 275 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: who are parents can relate to as are too far. Kevin, 276 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: your question was about whether or not one of his 277 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: rivals and the primary campaign should use it against him, 278 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: that is re electing Donald Trump. They have to look 279 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: at what their goal is they're either trying to get 280 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: themselves nominated or above all else at risk of losing 281 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: in general election in the process, or they're really ultimately 282 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: trying to make sure the party defeats Trump. And I 283 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: think that this is really the wrong explosive to play. Well, 284 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm just we're coming up. We're gonna talk more about 285 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: about U n g A. Because, by the way, Gasperzilinsky 286 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: is this week un A. Casper President Trump is this 287 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: week U n g A. But I just think if 288 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: you're when I talk to folks on the far left, 289 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: who are who are pushing for the Green New Deal 290 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: for example, this I'm telling you this isn't about gossip 291 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: or family or whose date knew? This is about a job. 292 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: This is this is I'm telling you. They're talking about this, 293 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 1: and on the right they're gonna say, how come you're 294 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: not you're not talking about it. I think this story 295 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: is just beginning, whether we like it or not. A. B. 296 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: Stoddard Stays, Prett Bruin Stays. Download the Bloomberg Sound on 297 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or by 298 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can find us on 299 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: Radio dot com I Heart Radio and Spotify UNGA. We're 300 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: talking about UNGA. I'm Kevin Sirelli. You're listening to Bloomberg. 301 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. Sound On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg 302 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: and one All five point seven F m h D two. 303 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: Happy Monday, folks. Yes, I will be rooting for the 304 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: Washington Redskins tonight Monday Night football. I'm devastated by the 305 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. Dev I mean, I'm actually not devastated. I'm angry. 306 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: I have a lot of anger and I'm holding onto 307 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: it and I'm annoyed. I'm annoyed we lost to the 308 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. A b stodder associate. That brutal and that 309 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: was moving day for me yesterday, and I'm like, what 310 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: the heck? Ret Bruins here, President of the Global Situation Room, 311 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: former White House Director of Global Engagement, Brett I know 312 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: you want to talk about UN General Assembly. Actually I 313 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about the Buffalo Bills win. But here 314 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: there was a local story in Philadelphia where a former 315 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: fireman saved these babies and a burning building at two 316 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: in the morning when he was walking home and he 317 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: goes they were throwing this This hero at CBS three. 318 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: This hero literally was saving his children and tossing babies 319 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: out of the window. And they interviewed this gentleman on 320 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: the news and he said, yeah, I was catching babies, 321 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: unlike Aggie Larb who literally lost the game for us. 322 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: So please watch that if you have classic Philly Um, 323 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: classic keV. We're back un A so much. You got 324 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: through so many different geo politics to get to what's 325 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: on your radar for the UN General Assembly, especially with 326 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: China and the US President Trump. I was going to 327 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: say Iran first, and I think we've got a real 328 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: possibility here to advance the ball on Iran. How well, interestingly, 329 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: what what Trump has done again two times in one 330 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: program Market Down. It's a record. I think the Trump 331 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: has played um the military card well on this and 332 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: actually holding back. I know, it's shocking. You're right, you 333 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: are very praised on the president. It's it's interesting because 334 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: what he has done. And I was on Middle Eastern 335 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: media over the weekend and and talking with analysts who 336 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: really see that he's pulled Riyad back, He's pulled um 337 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: those hard liners in some of the Gulf countries back 338 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: and said, look, military options off the table. We can 339 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: talk about diplomatic we can talk about economic sanctions, and 340 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: and that is forced a focus on, Okay, how are 341 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: we gonna resolve this thing. He didn't take bait. He 342 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: didn't take the bait. He is not escalating this issue, 343 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: unlike I have to say Mike Pompeo, who was you know, 344 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: out in Rion talking about how this is an act 345 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: of war, the point being that against Saudi not against 346 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: the United States. I just want to clarify that he 347 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: was saying it was an active war against Saudi's and 348 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 1: not the U. S. God. But what's interesting is you 349 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: now have all the world leaders or most of them, 350 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: gathered together in New York and and there is this 351 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: classic diplomatic trick that we always used to use, the 352 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: policide where we don't want to have an official meeting policide. 353 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: I feel like that's like a like a I feel 354 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: like an NFL move, like the pulicide with Brett bran Well, 355 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: and it has to be executed with precision. But I 356 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: can envision a scenario in which Mike Pompeo, who has 357 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: always been Trump's go to guide to send around the world, 358 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: is going to run into Zariff and they're going to 359 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: have a conversation in the hallways of UM the u 360 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: N and they will work this out. Let me play 361 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: for you, AB But Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said, 362 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: I believe on ABC's This Week on the Sunday Shows, 363 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: here's UH Secretary of State Mike Pompeo talking about Iran. 364 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: And then what you'll be watching for it on your 365 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: here is preas a Trump strategy that we laid out 366 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: now two years ago is working. We are well on 367 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: our way to forcing the Iranian regime to ultimately make 368 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: the decision to become a normal nation. That's all we've 369 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: ever asked. So I really really joined. I think most 370 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: Americans and wanting to UM believe that Brett's optimism is 371 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: well founded because we all want this UM to UM 372 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: progress productively. But the goal of a maximum pressure campaign 373 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: was to bring the Iranians to the table, and that's 374 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: what the White House has been saying and the administration 375 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: has been saying, at least not on camera, and they 376 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: and the President has made it clear many many times 377 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: he wants to go to the table with him now 378 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: because Mike Pompeo called this an act of war because 379 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: um of the whole summer of a line of credit. No, 380 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: not a line of credit, John Bolton, No, not John Bolton. 381 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: A strike in June, no not. Um. We are at 382 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: the point where, um, we have the Iranians assured there 383 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: will now be no military strike, and that they are 384 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: saying emphatically and repeatedly, we're not going to meet with 385 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: you anyway because we let's tell you about preconditions. You'd 386 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: have to take the sanctions off, and they're not going to. 387 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: So I don't know where it goes. I can see policides, 388 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: but materially, I don't know what happens. See, I'm looking like, 389 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: let's let's take away that the two party system for 390 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: a second, and let's just look at US foreign policy 391 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: as a whole bread, which is in one administration, the 392 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: United States tried to have an international coalition with regards 393 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: to forming the j c p o A or the 394 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: Iran Nuclear Disarmament Deal to get RID to to encourage 395 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: good behavior with with Iran and their nuclear admissions. They 396 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: by all accounts, did not follow the j c p 397 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: o A, and they continued with their well, some would 398 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: argue continue bread skeptical, but some would argue that they 399 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: continued with their nuclear ambitions. They certainly did less than 400 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: the North Koreans under this. But stay with me, because 401 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: we could talk. I don't want to. But staying with 402 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: with Iran, they didn't follow all the rules of the 403 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: j c p o A. A new administration comes in, 404 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: doesn't go to war with them, sanctions the heck out 405 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: of them, and they're still having the deal. I actually 406 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: am going to push back on you and that because 407 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: the um I A e A, the International Atomic Energy Agency, 408 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: has certified that Iron wasn't compliance with the j c 409 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: p o A. Furthermore, UM, I think all of the 410 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: other allies sitting around the table have said, we see 411 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: the Iranians taking the right steps. Now, does that mean 412 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,479 Speaker 1: that the extracurricular activities that Iran was up to in 413 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: Syria and Yemen elsewhere in the world. Um, we we're 414 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: all of the sudden fixed no, and never did. I'm 415 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: say this is going to solve all of our problems. 416 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: If anyone has been really clear eyed about the ability 417 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: to engage bad guys on certain bad behavior, it's Donald 418 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: Trump who has gone to meet three times now with 419 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: Kim Jong gunn. I have written over the weekend about 420 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: their death, the death of North Korean diplomacy. I think 421 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: Trump majorly messed that up. My my column and Business 422 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: Insider really focuses on the mistakes he made and now 423 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: what is he doing with Iran, which is interesting. He's 424 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: learning some of the lessons from Iran, but at the 425 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: same time, Iran is a lot easier for him and 426 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 1: he desperately needs a deal to sell on the campaign 427 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: trail in he is going to push hard, as Ab said, 428 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: He's going, you know, to show a little bit of 429 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: willingness to to just make superficial changes. Move happy to 430 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: glad and let's call this the best Trump deal ever. 431 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: It's gonna man, Yeah, I mean, the long term implications 432 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: of US policy with iron it's got to get on 433 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: some type of consistent, consistent playing field. Panel stays coming up, 434 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: what's on their radar, what are they watching in the 435 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: next twenty four hours. It feels like there's so many 436 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: big stories breaking in the last three days that that 437 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: really could have long term implications, and we're going to 438 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: dive into more of them with Aby started in Brett Brewin. 439 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: Download The Bloomberg Sound on podcast on Apple iTunes at 440 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot Com or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. 441 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: You can also find us on Radio dot com, I 442 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Spotify. Kevin Cirelli, you're listening to Bloomberg. 443 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg's Sound On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg 444 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven F M h D two. 445 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: Happy Monday, folks. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent from 446 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. I am joined by two, truthfully, 447 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: two of my two favorites, a Starter, associate editor and 448 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: columnists at Feel Clear Politics, and Brett Brewin, president of 449 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: the Global Situation Room and former White House Director of 450 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: Global Engagement. I've known both the view for years now, 451 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,239 Speaker 1: literally since I first came to Washington. So thank you 452 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: both so much for coming on routinely and being a 453 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: part of this with me. I really am grateful and 454 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: value both of your insights. And I know I'm being 455 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: very cliche, but I really am very appreciative. And this 456 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite things to do in the 457 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: segment or in the show, which is what's on your radar? 458 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: And when you have two people like yourselves, you guys 459 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: always pick really interesting things. So A B. I'm gonna 460 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: put you on the spot first, what is on your radar? Well, um, 461 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: I think as everyone focuses on the obviously, the acting 462 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: DNA is gonna have to testify in Congress on Thursday, 463 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 1: and depending on the outcome of this process story. This 464 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: is a process story about this thing being blocked to 465 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: the Congress and by the no, no no, the whistleblower 466 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: complaints about a phone call or some communication has been blocked, um, 467 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: and it's been deemed credible and urgent, and it is 468 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: not allowed to go to the d O J or 469 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: pat sippleion. It is supposed to come directly to the Congress. 470 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: So when we hear on Thursday, it will spark a 471 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: conversation about whether or not the White House is obstructing 472 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: in a manner that leads to a critical massive support 473 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: and Democratic caucus in the House. Just a little slower, 474 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: because I think there is a lot of confusion for 475 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: why why Thursday's hearing is so crucial and why, as 476 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: you mentioned, it can't go through the bureaucratic back channel 477 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: right now. Well, as I said, the Inspector General for 478 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: the Intelligence Community spoke in classified session last Friday for 479 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: four and a half hours, describing the urgency with which 480 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: he deems this matter, that that that he characterized the 481 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: the complaint as credible, but he could not reveal the content. 482 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: So he basically said, I am, it is within the 483 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: jurisdiction of the d n I, the Director of National Intelligence, 484 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: who is acting and not confirmed, and so I cannot 485 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: tell you members of Congress what it is, but you 486 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: need to see it. To the point where Adam Schiff 487 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: came out the House Committee, the Intel Committee chairman, excuse me, 488 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: and said he believes that they will have standing in 489 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: the court for this to be expedited because of the 490 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: fact that it's been deemed urgent, and so they are 491 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: going to be asking the acting d n I why 492 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: he did not agree that it was urgent, and why 493 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: he's withholding it and seeking assessments from the Department of 494 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: Justice and White House Legal Counsel. So that which is 495 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 1: not supposed to be a part of the process at all. 496 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: It simply just is transmitted, whether you like it or not, 497 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: without comment, without frosting on top, straight to the Congress. 498 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: And it hasn't been so that hearing will tell us 499 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: a lot the conversation right now is about whether or 500 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: not that leads to impeachment. I am focused on the 501 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: Democrats and Trump districts, the ones who have been um 502 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: reticente about impeachment, because what's interesting about them, and some 503 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: of them has told me this and months past. They 504 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: are from largely national security backgrounds, and they don't intend 505 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: to be in Congress forever, and they weren't in politics 506 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: to begin with. And they are more likely to support 507 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: impeachment than you think because they believe for posterity's sake, 508 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: for history's sake, for the role of the Congress, which 509 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 1: will be forever ruined if people are allowed to sit 510 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: in the Oval Office and solicit help in their campaigns 511 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: from foreign governments, we might as well not have a 512 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: Congress anymore. They are going to be more um supportive 513 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 1: of impeachment that I think people understand. Interesting. That is 514 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: why even if it brings the house down, even which 515 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: I think raises a broader question, which is, what's on 516 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: your radar? What is Trump doing in these meetings with 517 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: foreign leaders this week? A lot of them up in 518 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: New York. A lot of these calls. I have it 519 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: from friends who are still working in the National Security Council, 520 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: have worked for the last two and a half years 521 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: on the National Security Council, that he is not doing 522 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: the business of our country. He's doing his personal business. 523 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: He's doing his political business. And that is a story 524 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: for those who work in the media are listening that 525 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: still needs to be told because the really tough stuff, 526 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: having worked at the White House, is what is teed 527 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: up for those calls and for those meetings. It's not 528 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: getting done. We have a survey. We went out to 529 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: fifty ambassadors and senior national security officials and asked them 530 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: a number of questions and one of the most alarming things. 531 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: These by and large were career ambassadors. Of them were 532 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: appointed by a political appointees of Republican presidents. And they 533 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: came back and said, of them, believe that America's adversaries 534 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: have grown stronger under President Frum. Believe that the US 535 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: has lost substantial international influence. What are we going to 536 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: see this week? What's on my radar? We're losing influence 537 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: in the world, Our adversaries are growing stronger, will be 538 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: on display this week in New York panel. I gotta 539 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: be honest. Usually we talk a lot of policy, but 540 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: this this Ukraine story is everywhere, and I think both 541 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: of you highlighted why, which is Thursday's hearing is going 542 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: to be crucial, especially given the backdrop of the UN 543 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: General Assembly, where the administration is on the world stage. 544 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: All Right, what's on my radar. I'm gonna break away 545 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: from Ukraine just for a second. I'm gonna pivot the China. Okay, 546 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to China for a second. Okay, did 547 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: you guys follow this? Because I was. I was last week. 548 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: I was joking about it on air, but I was like, 549 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Montana on Monday and I'm gonna 550 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: be staken out with the Montana Farm Bureau, the Chinese 551 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: delegation as they all descend and they do agriculture. I 552 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: was thinking like there'd be a backdrop of horses, maybe 553 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: some hogs, some soybeans, something, you know what I mean. 554 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: I was, did you know that there is on the 555 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: Bloomberg terminal and track hog trading? Did you know that 556 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Terminal can show you that? Because I did, 557 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: and they I believe it. Although I haven't partaken, but 558 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: I I planned to. I'm gonna send you that. So 559 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump today, Joshua Grab Bloomberg's Reporting asked to ask 560 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: Treasury Secretary Stephen Venusian to explain why the administration requested 561 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: a Chinese trade delegation cancel its plans to visit US farms, 562 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: and indicated he disagreed with the decision. Trump. They were 563 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: in a back and forth, uh, and Trump said, why 564 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: was that our request? Just out of curiosity? And the 565 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: minutian said, because we didn't want confusion around the trade issue, 566 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: and then Trump replied, yeah, but I want them to 567 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: buy I want them to buy barn products. So it's 568 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: another example of the back and forth in front of 569 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: cameras between there and actually again I was making light 570 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: of this, but the hog market dipped, the soybean market 571 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: dips all upon the cancelation. This is how much traders 572 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: are following this back and forth. And it's really no joke, 573 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,959 Speaker 1: because we were talking in the break about the impact 574 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: that it has on farmers, just how every tweet, every 575 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: itinerary movement is impacting the ongoing struggle. So it's the 576 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: latest thing. We can joke about it, but it is 577 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: really not joke. Gold ticked upward as a result of 578 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: the decline in some of the other uh indexes. All right, 579 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: my thanks to Aby Soddered, my thanks to Brett Brewing anytime. Seriously, no, 580 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: thank you, guys. 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