Speaker 1: Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, April seventeenth, twenty seed twenty four.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to mute Aaron Rodgers. It's me
Speaker 1: and your man, MG Marcus Grant, joined by Michael f.
Speaker 1: Florio and Lakwan Jones. Gentlemen, we are in the season.
Speaker 1: We are eight sleeps away from the NFL Draft. Eight
Speaker 1: sleeps away. It cannot come soon enough. Draft season is
Speaker 1: too damn long. I know I probably shouldn't say that
Speaker 1: as an employee of the NFL. It is too damn long.
Speaker 1: We should have had the draft at least two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: maybe even more.
Speaker 2: We have reached silly season. But how are you guys coping?
Speaker 1: How are you going to get through the next you know,
Speaker 1: eight days until we actually do this thing.
Speaker 3: I think I differ a little bit. I'm like, I
Speaker 3: wish we had two more weeks of this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gus sick.
Speaker 3: It's fun. And then when this ends like it, it
Speaker 3: just it's dry for a couple of months. So I
Speaker 3: wouldn't mind extending draft period a little bit.
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, that's gonna be a no for me.
Speaker 1: Doug Money Okay, So honestly, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw this take out here. I've said it
Speaker 1: like on social media before. And if the black helicopters
Speaker 1: come from me and you don't see me ever again.
Speaker 1: You know why drafts are an American and we should
Speaker 1: banish them.
Speaker 3: Oh that I agree. That's a different conversation.
Speaker 1: You go, it is a different conversation, but drafts are
Speaker 1: an American and we should banish them. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: let's let's preview the draft we're gonna do on this show.
Speaker 1: Last week we talked about quarterbacks. This week we will
Speaker 1: talk about running backs and tight ends.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, we had Emory Hunt on a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago. We talked some running backs kind of with
Speaker 1: him there, you know, and just sort of the I know,
Speaker 1: the pulse of draft nation right now is that this
Speaker 1: is not a deep or a great running back class.
Speaker 1: But there are some names out there that I think
Speaker 1: are interesting. It will kind of dive into some of
Speaker 1: them there. And with side ends, I mean, there's really one,
Speaker 1: but we'll try to scrounge up another name or two
Speaker 1: that may be of interest.
Speaker 2: So we'll dive into that too, But.
Speaker 1: Let's start with a mock draft that hit the interwebs yesterday.
Speaker 1: But yesterday or Monday, it was earlier this week. Peter Schrager.
Speaker 1: Now Peter Schrager, you know, you know him from Good
Speaker 1: Morning Football. You probably know him from Fox and some
Speaker 1: of the other things he does. Usually very plugged in
Speaker 1: with NFL front offices, with general managers, et cetera. Peter
Speaker 1: usually does just a mock draft the entire off season.
Speaker 1: It's not like you're getting mock draft two point oh,
Speaker 1: three point oh. He's not tweaking things. He goes and
Speaker 1: he talks to as many people as possible, and then
Speaker 1: he puts out the mock draft. And now I think
Speaker 1: a caveat that's important because I saw a lot of
Speaker 1: people talking about this on Twitter, is this isn't Peter
Speaker 1: Schrager telling you what his draft grades are or where
Speaker 1: he thinks a person will slot in the draft. This
Speaker 1: is a mock draft based on things he is hearing
Speaker 1: from NFL front offices. This is how he believes it's
Speaker 1: going to shake out, based on conversations. This is not
Speaker 1: about talent, This is not about fit. This is about
Speaker 1: what he's hearing. So some of the big highlights are
Speaker 1: headlines from his mock draft top three picks not really
Speaker 1: a surprise Kayleb Williams at number one, Jaden Daniel's going
Speaker 1: number two to Washington, Drake May going number.
Speaker 2: Three to New England.
Speaker 1: Four is where it gets a little bit spicy, fellas,
Speaker 1: and this is where we can start to dive in
Speaker 1: on this one. He has the Giants making a trade
Speaker 1: moving up to that number four spot, switching with the
Speaker 1: Cardinals and taking JJ McCarthy. My first question to you,
Speaker 1: Michael f Florio, is does this mean rip Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4: Yes, like.
Speaker 3: Peter's plugged in, So if he's mocking a quarterback, if
Speaker 3: he's mocking them trading up to get a quarterback, I
Speaker 3: think that tells us everything we need to know about
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones. But I think we could have came to
Speaker 3: this conclusion on our own. Daniel Jones is arguably one
Speaker 3: of the worst contracts in the NFL right now.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and we've.
Speaker 3: Been saying that, not just us, like the whole NFL
Speaker 3: watching community since the day he signed that contract was like,
Speaker 3: how much did you give Daniel Jones? So they have
Speaker 3: an out after this year, no money on the books
Speaker 3: really with him after this season, so I think we'll
Speaker 3: see Daniel Jones start if he's ready for Week one
Speaker 3: for the Giants, but no guarantee he finishes the year
Speaker 3: as the starter. And clearly they're thinking ahead because everything
Speaker 3: you hear is that next year's quarterback draft class is
Speaker 3: not nearly as talented as this one. Plus Brian Dable
Speaker 3: probably doesn't anticipate having a pick as high as six
Speaker 3: next year. So if there's ever a year where you
Speaker 3: make a move to get your new quarterback, it would
Speaker 3: be this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny you talk about that contract, right, And
Speaker 1: usually when big contracts are signed, there are always people
Speaker 1: out there who are trying to find silver linings in
Speaker 1: it and like, no, but.
Speaker 4: This give us a team flex money. I think universally
Speaker 4: it was like what are you doing? Like why is
Speaker 4: this happening?
Speaker 1: Like it's rare when everybody comes together with the same opinion. Uh,
Speaker 1: this one seemed to be one of those things that
Speaker 1: did that. So I you know, I know, we talked
Speaker 1: about JJ McCarthy. He has been the subject of a
Speaker 1: lot of conversation so far this draft season. I was
Speaker 1: just sort of curious and like this was just a
Speaker 1: fan perspective. I talked to some friends who are are
Speaker 1: huge Michigan fans who watched every game, who traveled to
Speaker 1: watch them in the playoffs or whatever, and I asked
Speaker 1: them just their honest opinion, like what do you think
Speaker 1: of JJ McCarthy, And they both immediately said he needs
Speaker 1: a red shirt year, that he's not a guy and like,
Speaker 1: mind you, these are died in the wooll you know,
Speaker 1: go blue forever Michigan fans, and he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: the guy that comes in in year one and is
Speaker 1: the immediate starter and it's gonna lead you anywhere. That
Speaker 1: he needs a red shirt year, which I thought was
Speaker 1: a very honest and refreshing sort of take on this
Speaker 1: whole thing that being said, And I think every scout
Speaker 1: has said that he's a guy that has promised but
Speaker 1: has flaws and needs polish. Yeah, if he does go
Speaker 1: to New York, lakwan and he does become the starter
Speaker 1: and he pushes Daniel Jones aside, or even if it's
Speaker 1: just a competition, Yeah, is there anybody in this Giants
Speaker 1: offense that we want this year?
Speaker 5: No, that's the unfortunate part. Unless they bring in some
Speaker 5: quality you know, players through the draft where you get
Speaker 5: a little bit interesting, Like if I see a marshn
Speaker 5: Lloyd go there, of course I'm going to be you know,
Speaker 5: in on him in drafts, but I'm not going to
Speaker 5: be paying a pretty penny for him based on you know,
Speaker 5: the offense just doesn't have much around as what we're
Speaker 5: looking at on paper. But I think JJ he comes in,
Speaker 5: he puts some heat on Daniel Jones. I don't think
Speaker 5: he comes in starting, so I don't think we'll be
Speaker 5: talking about JJ and redraft this year. He'll be more
Speaker 5: so behind Daniel Jones. And I think, you know, I
Speaker 5: can see the quality that some of the scouts are
Speaker 5: seeing in JJ. I mean, he's a guy that needs
Speaker 5: some polish, but he has some twitch to him. He
Speaker 5: has some calmness in the pocket about him, like he
Speaker 5: can take off and go when when you know need be,
Speaker 5: he runs what effort And it's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 5: he's an accurate quarterback that just needs some type of polish.
Speaker 5: There's building blocks there, so you can kind of see
Speaker 5: why he's getting pushed up in drafts. So I agree
Speaker 5: with schreker Man, the Giants need to move up and
Speaker 5: get aggressive because, like Floria said, they're probably not going
Speaker 5: to have this pick is high next year, and no
Speaker 5: guarantee that Brian de Bull will be there next year
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I also think that you know right now, the early
Speaker 1: scuttle butt is that the quarterback class is not going
Speaker 1: to be quite as deep next year too, So I
Speaker 1: think that's why you're seeing a lot of teams itching
Speaker 1: to try to move up to get somebody, because I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody wants to wait and see what's going
Speaker 1: to be out there next year.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's also not bury the lead here though. If
Speaker 3: the Giants are taking a quarterback, that leaves Malik Neighbors
Speaker 3: free to go somewhere that has a quarterback that can
Speaker 3: get the most out of him right away.
Speaker 1: Which at let's keep on rolling through Schreker's Frock draft
Speaker 1: here right now.
Speaker 2: Mind, this is just the first round draft.
Speaker 1: So we got the Giants moving up to four to
Speaker 1: take JJ McCarthy at five.
Speaker 2: That leaves the Chargers.
Speaker 1: He has them taking Marvin Harrison Junior, So hallelujah for
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. He's gonna have at least one major target
Speaker 1: to throw to after they let both Keenan Allen and
Speaker 1: Mike Williams walk. It also means what we sort of suspected,
Speaker 1: they don't think Quentin Johnston is ready, you know, if
Speaker 1: this is really going to be the pick there, So.
Speaker 2: MHJ at five.
Speaker 1: Romo Donze going to the Cardinals at number six, so
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray gets another weapon to throw to after Marquise
Speaker 1: Brown has left to go to Kansas City. The next
Speaker 1: big fantasy relevant thing comes to number nine, where the
Speaker 1: Bears are currently sitting now. Cording to Peter Schrager, the
Speaker 1: Bears are trading out of number nine, which that sort
Speaker 1: of blew my mind on its own, because I think
Speaker 1: the prevailing thought was, hey, look, the Bears can go
Speaker 1: get a quarterback at number one and then pair him
Speaker 1: with a wide receiver if they needed to at number nine, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: how great would it be if the Bears showed up
Speaker 1: to camp this year with Caleb Williams and you know whatever,
Speaker 1: Romo dud Say, Melik Neighbors whomever it might be. That
Speaker 1: seems like it would be amazing. So according to this
Speaker 1: mock draft, the Bears trade out at number nine with
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts, who move up and take Malik Neighbors.
Speaker 1: So Florida, you were talking about pairing Neighbors with a
Speaker 1: quarterback who can do.
Speaker 2: Him some good. Melak Neighbors and Anthony Richardson, how you
Speaker 2: like them apples, I this is.
Speaker 3: A match made in my heart, Like Richardson, I've been
Speaker 3: like he's my guy for a while. Now I'm a
Speaker 3: huge fan, huge believer of his. And then Malik Neighbors.
Speaker 3: Like the other day I put on Twitter, I made
Speaker 3: videos of like like today after I'm gonna be dropping
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior. But I said, like, Malik Neighbors is
Speaker 3: my wide receiver one. And everyone's like, that's clickbait, that's
Speaker 3: your doing this for. And I'm like, no, you can
Speaker 3: go again. Like I'm not saying Marvin Harrison Junior is bad.
Speaker 3: I just think Malik Neighbors is more well rounded and
Speaker 3: I think he would be an excellent fit along with
Speaker 3: Michael Pittman Junior, because Pittman Junior is that big body,
Speaker 3: big catch radius, possession guy, can move the chains. Neighbors
Speaker 3: can score from anywhere on the field. He could stretch
Speaker 3: the field. He's great after the catch with the ball
Speaker 3: in his hands. So now you're giving two premium weapons
Speaker 3: to Shane Psychen into Anthony Richardson. I think it would
Speaker 3: be tremendous for Anthony Richardson's value. It would keep him
Speaker 3: in that QB five QB six conversation for fantasy, at
Speaker 3: least in my opinion. And then Malik Neighbors goes to
Speaker 3: a spot where there's a lot of volume. And what
Speaker 3: I love most about Schriggers Mack is all three of
Speaker 3: these wide receivers go to a spot where there's a
Speaker 3: good quarterback in place already that can get them the ball,
Speaker 3: and there's targets up for grabs as well. Like if
Speaker 3: one of these three, like I kept thinking to be
Speaker 3: a Dunes, they went to the Bears, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: he could be good for real life for them, but
Speaker 3: for fantasy, is he going to get enough volume to
Speaker 3: live up to his ceiling? Probably not, But on these
Speaker 3: these teams, all three of these guys, maybe not on
Speaker 3: the Colts because Michael Pittman Junior is awesome as well,
Speaker 3: but they can beat number one in targets year one.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was gonna be my question to you, Lakwan,
Speaker 1: is there gonna be enough volume? Like we hope there's
Speaker 1: enough volume with Anthony Richardson that he can sustain both
Speaker 1: Pittman and Malik Neighbors, or or do we just believe
Speaker 1: that Neighbors doesn't necessarily need a ton of volume, that
Speaker 1: because he is a game breaker, that he can maybe
Speaker 1: do more with less, because I would think that in
Speaker 1: year one he's going to be very much behind Michael
Speaker 1: Pittman Jr.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he'll be behind Pittman Junior. But the more difference
Speaker 5: that I see here with them too is that Neighbors is,
Speaker 5: like you said, a game breaker where he's just elusive
Speaker 5: and he can score anywhere on the field one slang gone.
Speaker 5: This is more like an Odell Beckham type that we're
Speaker 5: really looking at, where he can change the game on
Speaker 5: any time. So I think this will be an excellent
Speaker 5: weapon for Anthony Richardson. And now just elevate the conversation
Speaker 5: and pounding on the table with Florio of like, Anthony
Speaker 5: Richardson is a top five fantasy quarterback in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 5: that's a lock. So if the Colts pulled this off.
Speaker 2: That he's the top five, a lock.
Speaker 5: If you bring in Milik Neighbors, there's no way he
Speaker 5: falls outside the top five. I'm confident I stand on that,
Speaker 5: and I stand on business saying that.
Speaker 1: Does he finish in the top five whereas he drafted
Speaker 1: in the top five beause I feel like those are
Speaker 1: two different conversations.
Speaker 5: Finish in the top five the rushing nobility, if he
Speaker 5: stays healthy, this is going to be the biggest knock
Speaker 5: on him. If there is no injury for Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 5: he's already in top five conversation, if not top seven.
Speaker 5: But if you add in a guy like Milik Oh,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Milik Neighbors, that's going to be a total
Speaker 5: change of dynamic of this offense. Where you have JT
Speaker 5: as the running back, you have Hitman. You also have
Speaker 5: Josh Down's work in that slot, who's actually stepping up
Speaker 5: somewhat to be a valuable reliable target for Anthony Richon,
Speaker 5: even Gardner Mischew last year. So I really feel as
Speaker 5: though you bring in Milik Neighbors in that you have
Speaker 5: a complete wide receiver set just like Man. There's no
Speaker 5: way he could fail with this type of offset offense.
Speaker 1: All right, So then that and you throwing Josh Downs
Speaker 1: in there too, which I think is a good note
Speaker 1: to add. Yeah, that feels I don't want to say
Speaker 1: Jacksonville ish right, because last year we talked about the
Speaker 1: Jaguars are like, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know which Jaguars receiver I want, but I know
Speaker 2: I want Trevor Lawrence. I mean that, I mean I
Speaker 2: kind of went that way.
Speaker 1: So I don't necessarily want to put that on Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 1: but it does sort of suggest to me that we
Speaker 1: can sort of count on Richardson, hopefully count on those
Speaker 1: yards sort of all aggregating to him where we may
Speaker 1: not be able to pick out another receiver consistently, maybe
Speaker 1: beyond MPJ. Yeah, all right, all right, let's let's keep
Speaker 1: on running down this thing, becase there are a few
Speaker 1: other notable things that I saw in that draft. Brock
Speaker 1: Bauers at ten to the Jets, potentially, that seems great.
Speaker 1: The Jets have never had a Fantasy relevant tight end,
Speaker 1: I don't think in my lifetime.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe if I dig back far enough, I can
Speaker 2: kind of come up with.
Speaker 3: It's so bad that Nikola's dad is a huge Jet fan.
Speaker 3: He bought a CJ Usama jersey.
Speaker 1: Oh lord, I think somebody once mentioned the name Dustin
Speaker 1: Keller to me, like that was one that tried to
Speaker 1: be a thing for a little bit. Whatever Rock Bauers
Speaker 1: are the Jets. I think that'd be great. I think
Speaker 1: that'd be awesome. Again, astrisk being Aaron Rodgers is healthy
Speaker 1: and actually deciding to play football this year.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 4: Yeh, that's a whole other conversation for a completely different
Speaker 4: show anyway.
Speaker 1: Some of the other notables though, Bo Nicks going to
Speaker 1: the Vikings at number twenty three, I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: jaj it's not jac. Sam Darnold's not a lock right
Speaker 1: to be the starter. He is as of this moment
Speaker 1: as we're recording the show, he is currently the starting
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2: I think Boon Knicks could challenge.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if that means, like, I don't
Speaker 1: know that I'm rafting bow Knicks and redraft leagues, but
Speaker 1: I think he could challenge to be the starter. I
Speaker 1: guess the question becomes, how do we feel about, say,
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison in that situation.
Speaker 5: Nasty uh. I'll take the first look on this. I'm
Speaker 5: kind of fading Jordan Addison this year just based on
Speaker 5: there's other wide receivers I would like in his area
Speaker 5: of ADP right now Underdog. It's might have changed from
Speaker 5: the last couple of weeks when I last checked, but
Speaker 5: I just feel as though the quarterback play is going
Speaker 5: to be huge, huge importance there with Sam Darnold as
Speaker 5: a starter, and you draft the guy like bo Nicks, like,
Speaker 5: I'm much rather JJ being I know he'll be able
Speaker 5: to go down the field and kind of move the
Speaker 5: chains and have that twitchiness to him that explained before
Speaker 5: with JJ, But with bo Nicks there's a lot of,
Speaker 5: you know, questions that we have here, is he going
Speaker 5: to be able to get the ball downfield aggressive as
Speaker 5: much as you know the Vikings would like being that
Speaker 5: they have Jordan Adison, being that they have JJ, being
Speaker 5: that they have TJ. Hockinson. I don't know that many
Speaker 5: people know that amazing stat that my fellow research Kendall
Speaker 5: looked up. I mean, out of the three hundred and
Speaker 5: sixty one completions, two hundred and thirty eight of them
Speaker 5: were within five yards of the line of scrimmage, which
Speaker 5: is about sixty five point nine percent in his passes.
Speaker 5: So this is gonna be a lot of dump off
Speaker 5: screens and etcetera, etcetera. So I'm not too sure that, Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, bow Knicks would be the right choice here.
Speaker 5: But for redraft, I'm not interested whatsoever. And Jordan Addison
Speaker 5: or Bo Nicks or Sam Donald, that's fair.
Speaker 3: I think bo Nicks. Look, he's he's not great, and
Speaker 3: I think the screens and everything, it's it jumps out
Speaker 3: on tape and it's why he is the most accurate
Speaker 3: quarterback and all of that. Yeah, but I think I
Speaker 3: think there's tools here, Like when he had to throw downfield,
Speaker 3: he has a strong arm. Uh, he he can move
Speaker 3: a little bit with his legs. So if he went
Speaker 3: to a spot like I agree with Lakwan, like, I'm
Speaker 3: not drafting bo Nicks in redraft or anything like that, right,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if Sam Donald starts Week one,
Speaker 3: regardless of who their rookie quarterback is that they end
Speaker 3: up taking and we see that a switch come like
Speaker 3: pretty quickly. I don't love Jordan Addison at either. I
Speaker 3: agree with all of that, But for just for bo
Speaker 3: Nicks's standpoint, I think going to Minnesota with great weapons
Speaker 3: with Koc who has proven to be a really good
Speaker 3: offensive play caller and just offensive mine like, there's tools
Speaker 3: there that in time they could potentially get the most
Speaker 3: out of him. But for redraft rookie.
Speaker 5: Year, Yeah, he's a waiver wire quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Next thing, Xavi, You're Worthy number twenty four to the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Wow, that was my exact creation reactor.
Speaker 2: But it feels like a Jerry Jones kind of move, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, you get a guy with blazing speed who
Speaker 1: played at the University of Texas. I mean the only
Speaker 1: other thing that would be more Jerry would be to
Speaker 1: spend like a second round pick. If he comes back
Speaker 1: and gets like Jonathan Brooks right and makes him the
Speaker 1: running back.
Speaker 3: People would knock this Worthy pick. But I Worthy and
Speaker 3: the other wide receiver we're about to talk next are
Speaker 3: They're in my top five head of wide receivers heading
Speaker 3: into the draft.
Speaker 1: Well, and I think the thing with Worthy that sort
Speaker 1: of works in his favor. Worthy works more in this
Speaker 1: current era of the NFL than he would have, say,
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years ago, right, because yeah, he is fast,
Speaker 1: but he is he is small, right, I mean he's
Speaker 1: a he's not a big man. And I think ten
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, you're making him a kick returner, right,
Speaker 1: he's a punt and kick returner, and that's sort of it.
Speaker 1: He gets on the field at wide receiver because you
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of injuries or anything like that.
Speaker 1: This this era he worked Mark. You can find ways
Speaker 1: to move him around, you can find ways that you
Speaker 1: can put him in the slot, you can find things
Speaker 1: to do with him to get him the ball and
Speaker 1: just sort of let him work in space. This move
Speaker 1: would sort of signal that the Cowboys are sort of
Speaker 1: all in on Dak. Whether or not they are giving
Speaker 1: him a contract, that's a different conversation. But they've decided
Speaker 1: that this offense is fully built around Dak Prescott. They
Speaker 1: are going to throw the football a ton, yes, and
Speaker 1: look there's nobody there. I mean, who's getting targets after
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb in this offense?
Speaker 5: Insistently? Maybe maybe he brings to speedy for.
Speaker 3: Cooks off the field.
Speaker 4: I think I think so too. So zag were ready
Speaker 4: twenty four to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: This last one, I don't know if it's still is
Speaker 1: valid anymore.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: When this was released, Schrager mocked Lad McConkie number thirty
Speaker 1: one to the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: The Niners went out and signed Trent Taylor on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Now, I guess that doesn't preclude them necessarily from drafting
Speaker 1: Lad mcconkee, but it does seem like it would be
Speaker 1: a little bit harder to make sense of them drafting
Speaker 1: a guy in the first round like McConkie when you
Speaker 1: just bring in Taylor.
Speaker 2: Although my other thought when I first saw.
Speaker 1: This is does this mean there's some some smoke out
Speaker 1: the Niners trading Brandon Yuke? That was the other part
Speaker 1: that popped up to me. And I don't know the
Speaker 1: answer to that right now. That saga seems to be
Speaker 1: going back and forth. I know people made a big
Speaker 1: deal of Ayuk what he unfollowed the Niners on Instagram
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 2: Like, I still don't know how how do people know
Speaker 2: that this happens?
Speaker 5: Tracking it man, some people, I mean.
Speaker 1: Like everybody just tracked, like people keeping track of everybody's
Speaker 1: every athlete social media follows all the time, so that
Speaker 1: we always like, I don't know how people know this
Speaker 1: and come up with this all the time.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I think players leak it.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, but uh, I mean I'm asking you, Floryda
Speaker 1: because I know you love Lad McConkey. I mean McConkie
Speaker 1: to the forty nine Ers does at least on paper,
Speaker 1: seem like a really good move.
Speaker 3: Amazing like the forty nine Ers, the Bills, the Chiefs,
Speaker 3: anywhere in that late first round. He could fall and
Speaker 3: be immediately Fantasy relevant. I think because he's my wide
Speaker 3: receiver four. Worthy is my wide receiver five heading into
Speaker 3: the draft. But McConkey reminds me of Tyler Lockett. Like
Speaker 3: he's so he could play out wide, he could play
Speaker 3: in the slot. He is so explosive from the slot,
Speaker 3: he could win downfield, he could win after the catch,
Speaker 3: good hands, great cutter, like just fast, quick, anything you
Speaker 3: want to use to describe him, like he the only
Speaker 3: thing he lacks I would say, is like wide receiver
Speaker 3: one size and so press coverage and stuff could be
Speaker 3: a little tough on him. But I think he's going
Speaker 3: to be immediate playmaker. And one thing I kept thinking
Speaker 3: when I watched him is like wherever he ends up,
Speaker 3: he's quickly going to become that quarterback's best friend because
Speaker 3: he is so good at finding the weakness and the
Speaker 3: soft spot in zone coverage and everything, Like he can
Speaker 3: get open, he's got good hands.
Speaker 2: He's just going to be one of.
Speaker 3: Those uber reliable wide receivers.
Speaker 4: At the next level in my opinion, and that shout
Speaker 4: out to you for not comparing him to a white
Speaker 4: slot receiver.
Speaker 2: Right there for you. Bonus points for that.
Speaker 1: Anyway, those are some of the things I thought were
Speaker 1: sort of interesting from the Peter Scheger mock draft. I
Speaker 1: know it was making its way around social media as
Speaker 1: the moment it was released to varying degrees of response
Speaker 1: from people.
Speaker 2: It's like a quick break. We'll come back.
Speaker 1: We'll dive into some of these running backs. It is
Speaker 1: an interesting class, I think, to say the least, So
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. We'll also get to some tight
Speaker 1: ends a little bit later on in the show. You're
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Speaker 1: look at the NFL draft at leaves from a fantasy perspective.
Speaker 1: Last week we talked quarterbacks. This week we will dive
Speaker 1: into the running backs and the tight ends. And a
Speaker 1: simple question, Lakwan, I will start.
Speaker 2: With you in Florida. You can follow up on it.
Speaker 2: Who is your RB one in this draft? And bonus question,
Speaker 2: is it different for redraft than it is for dynasty leagues?
Speaker 5: So I looked at this question on the rundown, and
Speaker 5: I was just like, man, I don't know who my
Speaker 5: clear cut RB one is because I don't think there
Speaker 5: is a guy, and I don't think, yeah, it's all
Speaker 5: gonna come down to like landing spots. But I do
Speaker 5: like Trey Benson as much as people don't really like him.
Speaker 5: They're like nitpicking his running style, but he gives me
Speaker 5: like Joe Mixon vibes, like I don't I don't know
Speaker 5: what everybody else sees, but this is what I see
Speaker 5: out of it as a workhorse, and he looks like
Speaker 5: a guy that can handle a backfield, catch some passes
Speaker 5: out of backfield you sprinkle out to him, but the
Speaker 5: dude's legs are always moving. So he's like one of
Speaker 5: the guys that I've just been watching a little bit
Speaker 5: more frequent to see, you know, if I'm seeing something
Speaker 5: different from people.
Speaker 1: Uh, Florida, You're And then is he is he your
Speaker 1: guy in both Redraft and Dynasty?
Speaker 5: So Redraft, yes, But how I look at Redraft and
Speaker 5: Dynasty for running backs, Like Redraft, you're looking for guys
Speaker 5: who have the day one opportunities obviously, guys that come
Speaker 5: in and have the media impact and then dynasty I
Speaker 5: look at, you know, there's some guys that you may
Speaker 5: look at that can fit into a role to be
Speaker 5: a contributor, but then eventually come into a spot like
Speaker 5: the latest example that i'd just kind of been leaning
Speaker 5: on a tub of Herbert where he had to sit
Speaker 5: behind Avant Deonta, Deontay Foreman, and then Miles Sanders, and
Speaker 5: then he ended up working his way into a workload.
Speaker 5: So there's like, you know, some guys in you know,
Speaker 5: the top five, top six running backs that kind of
Speaker 5: fit into that dynasty mode where they'll eventually be somebody.
Speaker 5: But Redraft there's really only like three running backs that
Speaker 5: I could see coming off the board and Redraft making
Speaker 5: a day one impact where opportunities.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's kind of kind of bleak in
Speaker 4: Redraft leagues right now, Florida, I mean, your your thoughts
Speaker 4: on this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with Lakwan. There's no I don't think
Speaker 3: like clear cut this guy is so like there's no Bijon,
Speaker 3: there's no Jamir Gibbs in this class anything like that.
Speaker 3: And and I'm already of the mindset that like running
Speaker 3: back rankings comes down purely to opportunity. Like, yes, talent
Speaker 3: is a big, big part of it. You need to
Speaker 3: make the most of your opportunity. But if you're not
Speaker 3: getting it's not like at wide receiver where like, okay,
Speaker 3: you're on the field. At least if you do your job,
Speaker 3: you can create more opportunity for yourself. Like if you're
Speaker 3: just behind a good running back, that's that's it for
Speaker 3: you in in redraft. But one name that I think
Speaker 3: could differ is Jonathan Brooks, like the running back out
Speaker 3: of Texas. I like him a lot. I could see
Speaker 3: him being the Dynasty RB one depending where he falls,
Speaker 3: but maybe not for redraft because he's coming back from
Speaker 3: the torn ACL so not sure if he'll be ready
Speaker 3: for the start of the year yet. So he's one
Speaker 3: that I can definitely see his dynasty value differing from redraft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think the Dynasty RB one for
Speaker 1: me is Jonathan Brooks, right that. Not sure how much
Speaker 1: we see him or when we see him on the
Speaker 1: field this year after the the ACL sort of thing,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think he does have a lot
Speaker 1: of promise. I mean, his issue at Texas wasn't an
Speaker 1: issue with him, it was that he was stuck behind
Speaker 1: John Robinson. I mean, that was the biggest thing going
Speaker 1: against him in college.
Speaker 5: But that's kind of my fear for him though, being
Speaker 5: that he tours a c O and then maybe he
Speaker 5: gets stuck behind abjon type running back, being that he's
Speaker 5: falling in draft because.
Speaker 2: Of except how many running backs are out there.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know he look at James Connor
Speaker 5: or Joe Mixon. I'm just naming names at this point
Speaker 5: where guys that still have a little bit left in
Speaker 5: the tank. And then he's kind of just waiting his
Speaker 5: turn again. You know, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I I understand that. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that I think he goes to a spot
Speaker 1: and I think when he's healthy, he's going to compete
Speaker 1: for opportunities.
Speaker 5: He's really good. Don't think that I'm saying he's bad
Speaker 5: or fade him or anything. He's really good. It's just
Speaker 5: I mean, dans on fire.
Speaker 1: I talked to people who look to talk to to
Speaker 1: Matt Waldman, who does great work with his his RSP
Speaker 1: that the Rookie Scouting Portfolio. I mean, he for his
Speaker 1: his point, he was like, look if if Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 1: was in last year's draft, he's like I would have
Speaker 1: put him ahead Jim or Gibbs.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he would have had it behind behind
Speaker 4: only Bijon.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people love Jonathan Brooks when
Speaker 1: he's healthy. It's just it's just when he gets healthy.
Speaker 1: So I think he's the dynasty RB one. I think
Speaker 1: this year for Redraft, I don't know. I mean, Trey
Speaker 1: Benson seems sort of like the guy potentially on landing spot.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw a name out that I know is
Speaker 3: near and dear to your heart. I love what I
Speaker 3: see from Marshawn Lloyd.
Speaker 2: I do love Marshon Lloyd. I have to I have
Speaker 2: to stop myself.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about him a little bit, but I have
Speaker 1: kind of like when I start to talk about him,
Speaker 1: I have to stop and pause and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: am I watching?
Speaker 2: Am I looking at this through cardinal and gold colored glasses? Right?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Am I am I? Am I talking about Marshaon Lloyd
Speaker 1: with my heart? Or am I talking about him just objectively?
Speaker 1: So I have to, like I sort of tried to
Speaker 1: remove myself from a lot of Marshawn Lloyd conversations this offseason.
Speaker 3: I'll do it for you when we talk about him,
Speaker 3: I'll hype him up for you. All right, Cool, we'll
Speaker 3: get to that in just a bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we talk a lot about landing
Speaker 1: spots and that having a big impact, and obviously it does,
Speaker 1: but landing spot notwithstanding. Have you guys seen some players
Speaker 1: out there that you know, like you just love the
Speaker 1: talent and you think that regardless, they're going to be
Speaker 1: an impact player even if they're not a starter, even
Speaker 1: if they're not you know, a guy that we're drafting
Speaker 1: highly in fantasy, just guys that like, this guy is
Speaker 1: so talented he can't help but be productive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I like ray Davis Alat. I tweeted
Speaker 5: out him the other day and got kind of re
Speaker 5: insurance that I'm looking at the right things that what
Speaker 5: he has and he's kind of like the perfect balance
Speaker 5: of a running back of what you want, Like he
Speaker 5: could break the contact, you can sprinkle targets on him.
Speaker 5: He's one of those guys that just keeps moving the
Speaker 5: change and he's such a hard runner. And I think,
Speaker 5: you know, the he'll be one of those guys that
Speaker 5: will be talking about, you know, next season, like, man,
Speaker 5: it's crazy the season he just had as a rookie
Speaker 5: with the limited opportunities, Like I don't think he has
Speaker 5: the workhorse ability to be a every down back in
Speaker 5: this league, being that you know kind of just how
Speaker 5: this running back classes.
Speaker 4: But he's one of those guys out definitely make an impact.
Speaker 4: Anybody you like out there, Floria. I like Braylan Allen
Speaker 4: from Wisconsin. Two hundred and forty pounds, but he runs
Speaker 4: like he's like two ten. He he kind of reminds
Speaker 4: me of a less explosive Derrick Henry. But when he
Speaker 4: gets the ball, when he gets moving in space, he
Speaker 4: it's not like you could just outrun him or anything
Speaker 4: like that. And his size is why I think that
Speaker 4: no matter where he goes, he'll have a role immediately
Speaker 4: because he could be a really good short yard runner,
Speaker 4: could be a really good goal line runner. This wouldn't
Speaker 4: be great for fantasy, and you could call me a
Speaker 4: homer if you want, but like I feel like he
Speaker 4: is an ideal fit for the Bills.
Speaker 3: You put him back there. James Cook is your lightning.
Speaker 3: Now you get the hammer, and now you could take
Speaker 3: some responsibility off of Josh Allen. But no matter where
Speaker 3: he goes, I think that that Alan will will have
Speaker 3: an impact in year one just because he's so big, Like,
Speaker 3: you're gonna want him. Use that guy when when you
Speaker 3: need a yard or two.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like Braylan Allen. I kind of like Kendall Milton
Speaker 1: at Georgia. I know he's not necessarily much of a
Speaker 1: pass catcher. I mean, they didn't use him as a
Speaker 1: pass catcher. Let me say it like that. You know,
Speaker 1: there are definitely things in his game that sort of
Speaker 1: need to be worked on. But I think he's a
Speaker 1: guy who can be explosive, he can show a little
Speaker 1: bit of power when he needs to.
Speaker 2: I think he has kind of a nice all around game.
Speaker 1: I think a thing that sort of applies to everybody
Speaker 1: in this class, and it's a thing we talked about
Speaker 1: with Emory Hunt, is that there are no.
Speaker 2: Big headliners in this class. Right.
Speaker 4: There isn't a Bijon, There isn't a you know, a
Speaker 4: sa Quon or anybody like that.
Speaker 1: But there is there are a lot of guys who
Speaker 1: can come in and fill a role in a respective offense.
Speaker 1: And I think that alone is sort of is worth
Speaker 1: kind of trying to feel out and figure out what's
Speaker 1: going to happen, all Right, so let's get into let's
Speaker 1: get into some dream fits here, right, So let's Jalen Wright,
Speaker 1: guy from tennis.
Speaker 2: All right, well you sound excited, so I'm gonna let you.
Speaker 2: Let you jump. Do you do you have a dream
Speaker 2: fit for a guy like Jalen Wright?
Speaker 5: I could see him in Denver. I mean my micro
Speaker 5: comp is album Kamara. I mean, the dude is just
Speaker 5: a faster. He's a little bit side like Sizewiser, a
Speaker 5: little bit different, but he is elite speed, like breakaway speed.
Speaker 5: And if you get him with Sean Payton and he
Speaker 5: just gets his two point zero album, Kamara, I think
Speaker 5: that would be a huge opportunity for him to make
Speaker 5: some contributing to the running game asap. I mean the
Speaker 5: run game as well, I mean the passing game as well.
Speaker 5: So I like Jalen Wright going to Denver.
Speaker 2: Uh, do you have a spot for him? Florida?
Speaker 3: I like that one. I went in a little different direction.
Speaker 3: I said the Browns. I think the Browns are a sneaky,
Speaker 3: good landing spot for running backs right now. I keep
Speaker 3: being of the mindset that like whatever they get out
Speaker 3: of Nick Chubb this year feels like a like a bonus.
Speaker 3: I don't think he'll be ready to start the year
Speaker 3: and stuff. And Jerome Ford showed last year he could
Speaker 3: be a good backup, but they lost Kareem Hunt. Uh,
Speaker 3: there's some depth questions behind him. So I think Right
Speaker 3: could step in and be an immediate one two punch,
Speaker 3: whether it be with Chubb or Jerome Ford. Because uh,
Speaker 3: like like Elk was saying, he's got good hands, he's
Speaker 3: a good pass blocker. He's also got some good speed there.
Speaker 3: So we know the Browns love to run the ball
Speaker 3: and they're gonna need some bodies in that backfield. So
Speaker 3: I thought, I think just there, whoever ends up there,
Speaker 3: I think could be sneaky for fantasy because people are
Speaker 3: gonna probably be like, oh no, they have a lot
Speaker 3: of running backs in Cleveland, but.
Speaker 2: Do they did know who?
Speaker 5: I said there too. My other guy was Marshawn Lloyd,
Speaker 5: and I know we're gonna talk about him, but I
Speaker 5: said to Browns man, I like him going to the
Speaker 5: Browns as well. That'll be a nice spot for him
Speaker 5: to produce interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to mis a second.
Speaker 3: For me.
Speaker 2: Jalen Wright, I think Chicago might be interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially if they decide that they want to
Speaker 1: if this one, if they want to make this an
Speaker 1: offensive heavy draft, right, you get Caleb at the top.
Speaker 1: We'll see if they if they really do trade out
Speaker 1: at number nine, or if they just use that opportunity
Speaker 1: to take another wide receiver or something like that.
Speaker 2: But you know, deoncey Foreman was a nice piece.
Speaker 1: I like Rashawn Johnson, you know, I mean, I know
Speaker 1: that they brought people in, but why not get a
Speaker 1: guy in Jalen Wright who can kind of kind of
Speaker 1: help you in the in the past game, help you
Speaker 1: with past protection.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It may be a little bit of a crowded situation
Speaker 1: there in Chicago, but I think there's an opportunity for
Speaker 1: him to go in and and potentially be a guy
Speaker 1: who works his way onto the field that maybe in
Speaker 1: his rookie year.
Speaker 2: So uh, you know, look, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: But I I think even with DeAndre Swift, there uh
Speaker 1: that that Jalen Wright could really kind of fight for opportunities.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's if there's a thing we've
Speaker 1: seen about DeAndre Swift, teams don't necessarily love him the
Speaker 1: way that we love him exactly.
Speaker 5: The career shareholder of the ball he would let me.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's let's get to the Marshawn Lloyd talk.
Speaker 1: I am going to try and be objective, you know,
Speaker 1: I think, but I think I think there are things like,
Speaker 1: let me just put it out here. I think my
Speaker 1: my frustration with Marshaw Lloyd is it with Lloyd. It
Speaker 1: was the way he would used in the sc offense
Speaker 1: last year that there were times watching them, you know,
Speaker 1: and watching pretty much every snap that it felt like
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley was trying to go out of his way
Speaker 1: to get Caleb Williams another heisman, sometimes to the detriment
Speaker 1: of the offense, and sometimes it should have been a
Speaker 1: little bit more Lloyd because he had the opportunity to.
Speaker 1: He's not a home run hitter necessarily, but he can
Speaker 1: move the sticks. He can be a game changer. He
Speaker 1: can come up with explosive big plays every so often,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they really used him as such.
Speaker 4: So I get frustrated, I think when I talk about
Speaker 4: him a little bit. But Florio, I know you're excited
Speaker 4: about him, you love him. I will let you, you know, drive.
Speaker 2: The hype train on this one right now.
Speaker 3: When I watch him. I know you said He's like
Speaker 3: he can move the chains and stuff, but I think
Speaker 3: he's got bursts and explosiveness as well to bring big
Speaker 3: to bring big plays to the NFL level. And I
Speaker 3: think he's got good vision as well. He could quickly
Speaker 3: cut when he sees an open lane and then he
Speaker 3: just hits the hole and is out. Good hands could
Speaker 3: help as a as a receiver. I think his pass
Speaker 3: protection probably needs a little bit of work. But I
Speaker 3: was thinking about where I think he ends up bet
Speaker 3: and he's someone that in my pre NFL Draft best balls,
Speaker 3: I'm taking a lot of him because I think that
Speaker 3: he can be a contributor right away and maybe one
Speaker 3: of the best running backs from this draft class. But
Speaker 3: my dream fit for him, and I think this is
Speaker 3: the second best fit, second best landing spot for any
Speaker 3: running back behind only of the Cowboys, is the Chargers.
Speaker 3: I could see him making a nice one two punch
Speaker 3: with Gus Edwards, with Gus being your short yardage guy,
Speaker 3: being your goal line runner, and Lloyd is kind of
Speaker 3: doing stuff on early downs, he's getting involved on passing plays,
Speaker 3: and then.
Speaker 2: He's just he he brings a.
Speaker 3: Little bit more explosiveness in a different style than Gus Edwards.
Speaker 3: So we know that the Chargers love to run the
Speaker 3: ball and that they're gonna use two running backs, so
Speaker 3: why not kind of get a little thunder and lightning
Speaker 3: of your own going here with Lloyd and Gus Buss.
Speaker 1: That's actually my landing spot for him as well, is
Speaker 1: the Chargers put him, put him in that uh brief
Speaker 1: even in LA. You know, he'll get an upgraded apartments.
Speaker 1: You know, he won't be uh, you know, living at
Speaker 1: Founders or you know whatever, uh you know whatever off
Speaker 1: campus apartment he's probably living in right now.
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, that was my pick for him too.
Speaker 4: Did you have a spot for him? Q?
Speaker 5: No, I was we were all in the same boat
Speaker 5: spot all right. One two punch with Gus Edwards would
Speaker 5: be amazing and kind of give them a little bit
Speaker 5: of interchangeable there. And I think Lloyd ends up being
Speaker 5: the starter eventually. This is one of those situations where
Speaker 5: you have a guy that is so talented and what
Speaker 5: he's able to do that needs a little bit polished
Speaker 5: in some areas that wasn't utilized properly, like how you
Speaker 5: were saying, and to his ultimate potential, I think the
Speaker 5: Charges will be the perfect spot for him to be
Speaker 5: able to flex itself to be one of those you know,
Speaker 5: workhorse running backs for him.
Speaker 1: All right, So we're all unanimous on Marshaun Lloyd staying
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Last one here, Trey Benson. I know that you know, we.
Speaker 4: Talked about him as being maybe the the guy that
Speaker 4: we're targeting in redrafts or maybe one of the guys
Speaker 4: that we think could be the RB one in redrafts.
Speaker 4: I mean, lawand stay with you any any spot that
Speaker 4: you see for him that you would like to see
Speaker 4: him go?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Dallas. I mean I'll take the lazy
Speaker 5: take here like he seems like the all around and
Speaker 5: go back to you know that can take on that workload.
Speaker 5: I mean, no real competition in that backfield, worse streamans
Speaker 5: there to block. Like you know, Trey Benson. He can
Speaker 5: come in and he's a run, harder guy, he's hard
Speaker 5: to bring down. So he's one of those guys that
Speaker 5: you could just see in a Dallas Cowboys jersey. And
Speaker 5: they really need a running back, and I don't think
Speaker 5: they should take the chance, even though they're known for
Speaker 5: taking chances on players, you know, with injuries, but that's
Speaker 5: more so on the defensive side. But I really feel
Speaker 5: as though if they want to hit home run here,
Speaker 5: just get a running back that can stand tall, break
Speaker 5: the tackles, and be a huge red zone threat for them.
Speaker 5: So go ahead and get you at Trey Benson.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, they need a running back.
Speaker 1: The one thing about the Cowboys this year is that
Speaker 1: whoever is back there, well, he's gonna get a lot
Speaker 1: of touches. Everybody's gonna draft that guy. The offensive line
Speaker 1: is not what it used to be now.
Speaker 5: That's the huge question mark that that's what they need
Speaker 5: to address in the draft as well.
Speaker 3: Uh your thoughts, Florio, Well, I don't have him going
Speaker 3: to Dallas. I think I think Jerry's gonna be Jerry
Speaker 3: and and take Brooks and uh and go for the
Speaker 3: home run swing. I had him staying in that division though.
Speaker 3: I think the Giants would be a good fit for
Speaker 3: him because look they're there. Running back room is pretty
Speaker 3: barren right now, and Devin Singletary is a solid NFL runner.
Speaker 3: I'm happy that, uh it. The changes he made to
Speaker 3: his game a couple of years ago really worked out
Speaker 3: for him and has led to him having a prolonged
Speaker 3: NFL career and getting a second and third contract. Uh,
Speaker 3: but we know who Devin Singletary is at this point,
Speaker 3: so I think Benson would be a really nice complimentary
Speaker 3: piece for him.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: He he could even be the lead back potentially here
Speaker 3: and and he would get the goal line work, I
Speaker 3: think for sure, because that's one area we know Singletary
Speaker 3: can struggle. And one thing I like about Benson fourth
Speaker 3: highest ten yards split amongst running backs in this class,
Speaker 3: and the forty gets all the attention, but to me,
Speaker 3: the ten yard split matters even more, especially for running backs,
Speaker 3: because you're not always gonna get forty yards unjudged to run,
Speaker 3: but you're gonna be if you could run fast and
Speaker 3: get that burst, you're gonna pick up yards in chunks.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree with Lakwan. I like Benson and
Speaker 3: NFC seems like a good landing spot for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Giants. The Giants were my spot. That was
Speaker 1: what I had for for Trey Benton. Was was going
Speaker 1: to Big Blue because, as you mentioned, Devin Singletary, nice piece,
Speaker 1: not a guy that you're gonna lean on.
Speaker 2: They've got to figure out how to fill that Saquon hole.
Speaker 1: You know, and I don't think it's gonna take one guy,
Speaker 1: but I think Trey Benson can get them a little
Speaker 1: bit closer to filling that that void.
Speaker 2: You know, Devin Singletary, we know who he is. At
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 1: I would like to see somebody come in there that
Speaker 1: can get a lot of opportunity. The downside is the
Speaker 1: Giants are probably gonna be bad, so that's gonna have
Speaker 1: an impact on his opportunities overall.
Speaker 2: But I think it's JJ oh yeah, my bad. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Last thing is there is there an under the radar guy,
Speaker 1: maybe a guy that's not getting a ton of love
Speaker 1: that either of you are interested in right now.
Speaker 5: TCU and Money Bailey. I've been watching him a lot.
Speaker 5: He has some bursts to his game. Man, he's really
Speaker 5: really quick and he's able to get outside play being
Speaker 5: in between the tackles. He changed direction pretty quickly, and
Speaker 5: it's like, man, he's one of those guys that you
Speaker 5: watch and you just see him make these plays. Obviously,
Speaker 5: he needs a little bit more polishness, and you know
Speaker 5: in past protection there's a lot of times he gets backpedaled,
Speaker 5: so that's a little concerning, which might hurt his opportunities
Speaker 5: to being in chances of being on the field. But
Speaker 5: he's definitely a guy that could contribute to a passing game,
Speaker 5: a run game like Devin Singletary type that we were
Speaker 5: talking about. He has like the all around running back
Speaker 5: qualities that you want in the back to give you
Speaker 5: a little bit of this and a little bit of that.
Speaker 2: Uh, not bad. Who do you like? Floria?
Speaker 3: Isaiah Davis from South Dakota State. He's a good runner,
Speaker 3: very good cutter, just doesn't have the elite speed. Killian
Speaker 3: Robinson had the fastest ten yards split amongst running backs.
Speaker 3: And I believe Emory Hunt likes him. And I'm not
Speaker 3: going to tell you I've scouted him a ton, but
Speaker 3: if Emery likes him and he's fast, I could get
Speaker 3: on board. The thing is, like we keep saying, landing
Speaker 3: spot matters so much for the high end running backs
Speaker 3: in this class.
Speaker 4: If it matter for the lower guys. Yeah, it's all
Speaker 4: going to come down to.
Speaker 5: Land Guys like Bucky Irvin and stuff like these landing
Speaker 5: spots are going to be very important for those guys.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to keep an eye on Isaac Garrindo.
Speaker 1: He's another that I like speedstirb. It's got decent size,
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: I like him.
Speaker 4: Again, like you said, landing spy is going to have
Speaker 4: a big impact on what his overall production is going
Speaker 4: to be. But I think he's kind of an intriguing
Speaker 4: prospect who at times can be a home run hitter
Speaker 4: when necessary. So interested to see sort of where he lands.
Speaker 4: But definitely an a name that I am keeping an
Speaker 4: eye on over draft weekend.
Speaker 1: All right, I can take a quick time out, easy
Speaker 1: for me to say, we'll come back. We'll talk some
Speaker 1: tight ends. It probably won't be a long discussion, but
Speaker 1: we'll get it in no matter what. You're listening to
Speaker 1: the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll talk some tight ends here.
Speaker 1: The conversation, at least for fantasy, especially in the year
Speaker 1: of our Fantasy Football Lord's twenty twenty four starts and.
Speaker 2: Ends with brock Bowers.
Speaker 1: And this is a name where if you are you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a deVie person, if you have just been
Speaker 1: kind of following this for the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: like you have been hearing brock Bauer's name for multiple
Speaker 1: years now. Weirdly, we don't have brock Bowers prospect fatigue,
Speaker 1: maybe because people just don't talk about tight ends like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We know with a lot of positions, landing spot matters,
Speaker 1: and I guess it does with tight ends as well.
Speaker 1: But I mean, Florida, with a guy as talented as Bowers,
Speaker 1: how much is the landing spot going to matter? Especially
Speaker 1: because the draft capital spent to get him is going
Speaker 1: to be substt Anchel, you know, short of him getting
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith or something like that. Like, how much does
Speaker 1: the landing spot actually matter for brock Bowers?
Speaker 3: It matters a lot less with him than a lot
Speaker 3: of like then all of the running backs that we've
Speaker 3: been talking about, and and really I would say any
Speaker 3: of the receivers outside of the top three as well. Like,
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be fine. It's just a
Speaker 3: matter of volume and that's gonna determine fantasy value. But
Speaker 3: I think Bowers will be able to contribute and excel
Speaker 3: no matter where he goes. But there are some landing
Speaker 3: spots that are clearly just a little bit more advantageous
Speaker 3: than others. But yeah, I think he is going to
Speaker 3: be fine regardless of where he ends up.
Speaker 4: Uh was he a top ten tight end from week one? U?
Speaker 5: Possibly? It's it's again we keep hitting on the landing swatch.
Speaker 5: I don't think people really understand how important it is
Speaker 5: for these prospects to land in the right spot for
Speaker 5: a team a that's going to be you know, tight
Speaker 5: end friendly who has already a previous existence of having
Speaker 5: a high target share percentage going to that tight end unit.
Speaker 5: So that's going to be one of those things that's
Speaker 5: going to be important for him where you know, talent
Speaker 5: doesn't always overwegh you know, you know, opportunity and situation.
Speaker 5: So it's one of those things that I hope he
Speaker 5: goes to a team where he has, you know, the
Speaker 5: ability to be able to open up, you know, more
Speaker 5: in the middle for a quarterback that's been struggling in
Speaker 5: that area or a quarterback that's already a veteran established
Speaker 5: to be able to utilize him properly and get them
Speaker 5: involved as well. So fantasy it's going to be very,
Speaker 5: very spotty just based on where he's going to stay,
Speaker 5: I mean, where he's going to land.
Speaker 1: So we'll see, Yeah, I mean I definitely think landing
Speaker 1: spot has something to do with it. I mean, look
Speaker 1: I look at look at Sam Laporta last year. Right now,
Speaker 1: he landed in a spot where there was zero competition
Speaker 1: for him, and so he walked into a huge opportunity.
Speaker 1: Compare that to Dalton Kincaid, who pretty much from the
Speaker 1: jump was having to share opportunities with Dawson Knox in Buffalo.
Speaker 1: So that was I think some some landing spot does
Speaker 1: have you know, landsbot has something to do with it.
Speaker 1: I just feel like this is a guy who is
Speaker 1: so talented that, especially if you're using him with a
Speaker 1: top ten pick, you're going to get him on the field.
Speaker 2: I know we said that about Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know we said that, like
Speaker 1: you spent with the number eight pick or whatever it
Speaker 1: was on Kyle Pitts, Like why aren't you using him?
Speaker 1: That feels like a one off, right like that just
Speaker 1: rookie year was great, and his Rooki year was great.
Speaker 1: Down one thousand yards in his rookie year and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, there was a lot of.
Speaker 2: Overthinking going on in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, I and I know the tight end
Speaker 1: is deeper than it has been in past years.
Speaker 2: Thing, but one is it? So like, let's look at
Speaker 2: the guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Laporte's there, Kelsey's there, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: have Hockinson for much of the year, but you still
Speaker 1: got what Andrews, McBride, Jittle.
Speaker 3: Then there's like.
Speaker 1: Then there's a handful of guys that could sort of
Speaker 1: be anywhere from like you know, six to sixteen.
Speaker 3: Right Like for me, I would have have Kinkaid, Evan Ingram,
Speaker 3: David and Joku, Kyle Pitt's all in my top ten
Speaker 3: ahead of Brock.
Speaker 1: Bowers, I believe, Okay, but that still leads a couple
Speaker 1: of slots for him to slide into the top ten.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's nine because we said Mark Andrews as well,
Speaker 3: I believe, So that's nine. So I think after I mean,
Speaker 3: then it's like Goddard Ferguson. I think Bower slides, right,
Speaker 3: But that's like last year, I had Kincaid and Laporta
Speaker 3: as tight ends eleven and twelve or ten and eleven,
Speaker 3: I believe in my ranking something like that. But I
Speaker 3: could see Bower sliding in there. I just it's a
Speaker 3: little bit deeper than it's been in the past, I
Speaker 3: think because we had three breakouts in Laporta, Kincaid, and
Speaker 3: McBride last season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's fair, But I also thinking you know,
Speaker 1: also with the factor in that somebody is going to
Speaker 1: have a disappointing season where we didn't think it was
Speaker 1: going to happen somebody, and not that we're wishing it,
Speaker 1: but somebody's gonna get hurt. That's just the reality of
Speaker 1: it that those are the things that happen over the
Speaker 1: course of the season, which opens up more opportunities. And
Speaker 1: I just I really just keep leaning on the fact
Speaker 1: that whoever drafts Bowers is going to try and get
Speaker 1: the most out of him in year one, especially when
Speaker 1: we've seen tight ends come in and start to be
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 2: Bit more productive early on.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I think I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a guy that you know, in in re draft league,
Speaker 1: is gonna be kind of an interesting option.
Speaker 2: Curious to see how he goes or where he.
Speaker 1: Goes in dynasty league, especially in dynasty startup drafts. Knowing
Speaker 1: the uh, you know, tight end is deeper, but it's
Speaker 1: still not super deep. And let's be honest, Travis Kelsey's
Speaker 1: not gonna be there forever, right, I mean, at some
Speaker 1: point Travis Kelsey starts to fall off or just decides
Speaker 1: to retire. I mean, Mark Andrews has been a nice piece.
Speaker 1: He's kind of gotten beat up the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: George Kittle is a volatile option on a year to
Speaker 1: year basis on tween bases. You know, there's there's there's
Speaker 1: a a an opportunity there for a new tight end
Speaker 1: hero to rise up and save us.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, any other tight end this year? We could
Speaker 3: probably say tight end is deeper than ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe until until Travis Kelsey retires and.
Speaker 5: Then we're like, okay, we're back to square one.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, he goes back to the We're
Speaker 1: gonna just gonna be a full time podcaster and game
Speaker 1: show hosts.
Speaker 2: Like, That's what I'm gonna do. Are there any other
Speaker 2: tight ends you guys are interested in at all?
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna get on this mic and line to people.
Speaker 5: I haven't done anything really deep diving on tight ends.
Speaker 5: There's really only one to really talk about. It's it's look,
Speaker 5: I'm looking at a list of tight ends. I have
Speaker 5: never seen them before in my life, but I'm pretty
Speaker 5: sure they they contribute to where they contribute. They have
Speaker 5: their abilities, they have their opportunities to go out there,
Speaker 5: show up, show out and do their thing man, but
Speaker 5: we will be deep diving a little bit later.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was gonna give you. I was gonna
Speaker 2: give you Vincennat from Kansas State. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I was gonna give you Eric All from Iowa
Speaker 1: because tight End Iowa. See you write it down, pick
Speaker 1: it up the notebook, writing it down.
Speaker 2: Eric All. He didn't spend his whole career at Iowa.
Speaker 2: He was, Uh, he was.
Speaker 1: I can't remember where Michigan maybe I think it was,
Speaker 1: and then he transferred to Iowa. But tight End Iowa.
Speaker 1: That alone should peak your interest and on him.
Speaker 3: Uh, this is going back NFL. The research department sent
Speaker 3: out like comparisons after the combine, and obviously they compared
Speaker 3: him to to Laporta, Hockinson, Kittle, the big tight ends
Speaker 3: who come out of Iowa. He is taller and weighs
Speaker 3: more and has bigger arms than all of those guys.
Speaker 3: Now I'm not saying that's going to translate to him
Speaker 3: being better than them, but he's bigger, he's coming from
Speaker 3: the same school. I think, I just like you, Marcus,
Speaker 3: always got to pay attention to those and then the
Speaker 3: other one. I was gonna mention Trey Knox just because
Speaker 3: he was a former wide receiver and he's very fast
Speaker 3: and he could be a bat guy coming out of
Speaker 3: South Carolina.
Speaker 1: The one thing, one thing I do not know is
Speaker 1: I don't know if there are any former basketball players
Speaker 1: in this list of tight ends, because that's always an
Speaker 1: interesting one, always one one right, and like the immediately
Speaker 1: immediately that that guy's gonna get compared to, like Antonio
Speaker 1: Gates or Tony Gonzalez or.
Speaker 5: Jimmy shows basketball clips on Draft Night.
Speaker 2: You know Jimmy Graamt played basketball. Are you aware of that? Wow?
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I'm the I'm the first person I ever
Speaker 1: mentioned that on a broadcast of any sort.
Speaker 3: I kind of felt bad because during March Madness, during
Speaker 3: NC State's Final four run, the entire conversation about DJ Burns,
Speaker 3: who was a star, was like, shoot, this guy played
Speaker 3: football right exactly.
Speaker 5: Breaking him down, analyzing like he.
Speaker 2: Just got a quick feed.
Speaker 5: Here's a big body guy.
Speaker 2: Like no, he's playing ball, playing basketball, man, Like, let
Speaker 2: him do his thing.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this. He he cooked CS in the
Speaker 3: ACC tournament and I was like, look at this, Syracuse
Speaker 3: is getting destroyed by a guy who has no chance
Speaker 3: of going pro. And then he everyone in the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 1: He really did cook during the tournament, so uh that
Speaker 1: all that did was make the NFL scouts drool even more.
Speaker 2: So what.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's kind of our look at the running backs
Speaker 1: and the tight end position.
Speaker 4: Next week we'll have one more. It'll be the wide
Speaker 4: receiver position, and we are I don't know if I'm
Speaker 4: ready to say this out loud, we are working on
Speaker 4: a very special guest, a good friend, any very special guest,
Speaker 4: to come on next week and help us with some
Speaker 4: wide receivers.
Speaker 2: Take that as a hint if you want, I don't care.
Speaker 1: Any meantime, we'll be back with you, of course on
Speaker 1: Thursday for the NFL Fantasy Football cheat Sheet.
Speaker 2: Lock in.
Speaker 1: Just you know, keep an eye on our twitters and
Speaker 1: we will let you know about when it's happening. I
Speaker 1: would say, tentatively look at it for about three o'clock
Speaker 1: eastern noon Pacific. That is when we are are hoping
Speaker 1: to get this thing up and running. So I'll be
Speaker 1: sure to check that out as well. In the meantime
Speaker 1: for Michael F. Florio for the Kwan Jones, I'm Marcus
Speaker 1: grant that I'll do it for this edition of the
Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.
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