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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're watching

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Speaker 1: Gabby Thomas on the Daily Show and starting to question.

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Speaker 2: Our own manifestation game.

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Speaker 1: I'm still waiting on that Pulitzer and that Nobel Peace

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Speaker 1: Prize and that call from Lorne Michaels. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking with one hundred meter hurdles gold medalist

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Speaker 1: Massi Russell about her journey to Olympic victory, refocusing after

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Speaker 1: a heartbreak in twenty twenty three and representing for the

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Speaker 1: DMV area. Plus former pro cyclist and forever activist Katherin

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Speaker 1: Bertein will get you hyped for more toutor France fem

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Speaker 1: action this weekend, and she'll tell you the story of

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Speaker 1: the fight to get back a women's race. It's all

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, my little orange slices.

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Speaker 1: Here's what you need to know today. The Tour de

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Speaker 1: France Fem is heating up. Stage six is a hilly

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty nine kilometer route from remire Mont,

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Speaker 1: France to Morteaux, and it takes place today. Hungarian cyclist

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Speaker 1: Blanco Vas born in two thousand and one, by the way,

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Speaker 1: one stage five, while Polish writer Cassio Novia Dooma now

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Speaker 1: leads the standings, with American Kristen Faulkner sitting second overall.

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Speaker 2: We'll have more on the tour later in the show.

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Speaker 1: We've got an update on Olympic Gymnastics and Jordan Childs

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Speaker 1: medal saga SO. As a reminder, Chiles was stripped of

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Speaker 1: The full CIS decision was released on Wednesday, and the

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Speaker 1: which is that Child's petition was submitted four seconds after

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Speaker 1: late in the eyes of CIS. If there is one

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Speaker 1: This decision feels unjust and comes as a significant blow,

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Speaker 2: Are wrong and extremely hurtful.

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Speaker 1: I will approach this challenge as I have others, and

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Speaker 1: Lengthy list of facts debunking rumors about how Raygun qualified

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Speaker 1: is not. In tennis, the Cincinnati Open continues over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: WNBA is back and the league's first post Olympics Friday

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Speaker 1: Washington Spirit of the NWSL have teamed up with local

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Speaker 2: It's MESSI Russell, what's up? MESSI?

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Speaker 3: Is that the new car?

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Speaker 4: You know, that was the best season of my life

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Speaker 4: It was literally the coolest thing ever because I've like

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Speaker 4: my youtubelg dropping soon I'm trying to like edit that

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Speaker 4: video so I could get that out because even looking

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Speaker 4: back at those moments and those experiences that I had,

443
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Speaker 4: like I kind of forget and then when I look

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Speaker 4: back at the blog, I'm like, oh my gosh, like

445
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Speaker 4: I'm so glad that I recorded this moment. So every experience,

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Speaker 4: every moment, even like eating the village food. It was

447
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Speaker 4: an experience, you know, So I was just glad to

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Speaker 4: take it all in and just experience everything for what

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Speaker 4: it had to offer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a couple of tattoos that I've noticed.

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Speaker 1: You've got a rose, You've got a lightning bolt. Do

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Speaker 1: you have anything else? And what do they mean to you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I have eighteen tattoos, but people wouldn't know that, so small, tiny,

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Speaker 4: but I have. Yes, I had the lightning bolt, and

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Speaker 4: like I got that back in college because I was like,

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Speaker 4: I don't want anything I don't like for me personally.

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Speaker 4: I don't like the like track shoe or like the

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Speaker 4: wing like symbols.

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Speaker 3: But I was like the lightning bolt. It just symbolizes

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Speaker 3: like being fast, like and you know, being quick.

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Speaker 4: So I feel like that's just a cute, little subtle

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Speaker 4: tattoo to put so that when I run, you know,

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Speaker 4: you can see. It's not like, of course, in too

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Speaker 4: much of an inappropriate spot, but it's just cute and subtle.

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Speaker 4: And then the roads. I was just young, I could

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Speaker 4: have did without. My favorite tattoo though, is on my spine.

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Speaker 4: It's what I said in the video We're Real Talk

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Speaker 4: with Tea and it was we can make our plans,

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Speaker 4: but the Lord determines our steps.

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Speaker 3: And that is just a quote in a Bible Versu.

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Speaker 4: I just live by because we have like what we

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Speaker 4: believe should happen, but.

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Speaker 3: God's just like, no, that's not how it's gonna go.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna go this way, and I'm gonna make you believe,

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Speaker 4: and I'm gonna make you see if you really want it,

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Speaker 4: and then I'm gonna give it to you the way

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Speaker 4: that you didn't think it was gonna happen, in the

479
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Speaker 4: way that it should have happened, or the way you

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Speaker 4: thought it would happen. So that's just a quote that

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Speaker 4: I like to stand by. And then I just have

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Speaker 4: a couple other small ones, like it's one of my race.

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Speaker 4: He just says blessed, Like you know, it's just to

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Speaker 4: keep me reminded that I am very blessed regardless of

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Speaker 4: whatever situation that I'm in. And then I just have

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Speaker 4: a whole bunch of other little like nice little sayings

487
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Speaker 4: and words and things like that. Nothing nothing else is

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Speaker 4: as powered as my spine.

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Speaker 2: Tat I have to say, Yeah, I love the lightning.

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Speaker 1: I have a lightning bule earring She's currently wearing a

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Speaker 1: lightning bolt t shirt, so I'm big on the bolts too.

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Speaker 2: Love that. I love that, just like as a symbol.

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Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of speed, which I don't have anymore, but

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Speaker 1: at one time I was a little bit quick. I

495
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Speaker 1: was a heptathlete and a hurdler myself, and so I'm

496
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Speaker 1: on a lifelong mission to get the frickin' collegen professional

497
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Speaker 1: hurdles raised. Because the women's race keeps the same hurdle

498
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Speaker 1: height from high school on up, and the men's heights

499
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Speaker 1: get higher. I think the women's race is too close

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Speaker 1: to just a straight up sprint, and the men's race

501
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Speaker 1: is much more about how are you a sprinter and

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Speaker 1: a hurdler? But I'm very tall, so I would have

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Speaker 1: thrived the higher the hurdles got, and you're only five

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Speaker 1: foot four, so I'm wondering what your take on the

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Speaker 1: hurdle height is. My guess is that you're fine the

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Speaker 1: way it is, especially since you just won.

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Speaker 2: A gold for me.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. I definitely see where you're coming from.

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Speaker 4: I have to humbly say, I'm just like, it is

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Speaker 4: honestly not fair that the women get to keep the

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Speaker 4: same hurdle height from high school. It just honestly doesn't

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Speaker 4: make sense, like they honestly did the men dirty. They

513
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Speaker 4: did the men dirty. Like of course, I don't want

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Speaker 4: them to change the rule at this point. I think

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Speaker 4: I would still do very good if the hurdles were

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Speaker 4: at thirty six, just because, like my problem for a

517
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Speaker 4: long time was being too high over the hurdles. But

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Speaker 4: I mean, I have to humbly say it's definitely not

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Speaker 4: fair that, like every you know, major step of the

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Speaker 4: male's career, they have to change their hurdle height and

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Speaker 4: it's just unfortunate. But it worked out for I can't

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Speaker 4: say right it worked out for me, and I think

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Speaker 4: it's just like for the men. I guess they just

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Speaker 4: believe that men are just stronger and they're more capable.

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Speaker 4: But it's pretty sick because it's some pretty short men

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Speaker 4: out there that are getting the job done over those

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Speaker 4: forty two inches.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, then they get that extra ten meters for a

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Speaker 1: little bit of help, but they do, they do.

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Speaker 3: Have the ten extra meter running. But honestly, for the women.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how fair it is for

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Speaker 4: the much taller women to be hurdling over thirty three

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Speaker 4: inches as well.

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Speaker 3: But the only reason why I kind.

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Speaker 4: Of like don't think it makes the biggest difference in

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Speaker 4: the world is because the last two world record holders

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Speaker 4: were like five three and five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, though, is that if you made

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Speaker 1: him higher, you'd have to be someone who could sprint

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Speaker 1: fast and take on the hurdles instead of just a sprint.

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Speaker 1: I get the feeling you're not going to sign my petition,

543
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Speaker 1: and that's okay. I understand that from your perspective, things

544
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Speaker 1: are pretty.

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Speaker 4: Good the way they are.

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Speaker 2: Do you go after you're retired, MASSI.

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Speaker 1: We know you're busy, and we know you could be

548
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: just sitting around celebrating instead of talking to us. So

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for giving us some time and

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Speaker 1: congratulations again.

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Speaker 2: We're so so happy for you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, and I appreciate you taking the

553
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Speaker 4: time to talk to me. I'm just a normal girl

554
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Speaker 4: doing what she does best, doing what she loves best.

555
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Speaker 4: Said that I was able to connect with you guys,

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Speaker 4: and you guys take the time out of saw day too,

557
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Speaker 4: because y'all are important just just as much as I am.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate yaw.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We don't buy that you're normal at all, but we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you saying it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks, time to pay some more bills.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we're taking our training wheels off

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Speaker 1: and riding full speed into a weekend full of the

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Speaker 1: Tour de France Fem with Catherine Bertein stick around.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, you wonderful little slices.

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Speaker 1: We love that you're listening, but we always want you

569
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Speaker 1: to get in the game every day too, So here's

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Speaker 1: our good game play of the day. Watch the Tour

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Speaker 1: de France Fem, and to help you get into the

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Speaker 1: cycling spirit, we've got a special guest to teach you

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Speaker 1: how to watch and what to watch for, plus why

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Speaker 1: it's such a big deal that there's a women's race

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Speaker 1: at all and why you should want to support it.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now Cyclist, author, activist, filmmaker, former professional figure

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Speaker 1: skater and former professional triathlete. She turned professional in road

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Speaker 1: cycling in twenty twelve and raced on World Tour teams

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Speaker 1: until twenty seventeen. Her biggest legacy, though, will be as

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Speaker 1: an activist, helping spearhead petitions to organizers to launch a

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Speaker 1: women's Tour de France. A former espnW colleague of fellow

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Speaker 1: Ted Lasso lover and a newly engaged woman. It's Katherine Bertie.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Catherine?

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Speaker 5: Hey, Sarah. Oh, it's so great to talk to you

585
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Speaker 5: as always. Thank you for having me on your kick

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Speaker 5: ass show. It's an honor to be here.

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Speaker 1: You are welcome, and you're celebrating your engagement by following

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Speaker 1: the Tour de France fem which is like, so perfect

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Speaker 1: and typical of you because you have made this so

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Speaker 1: much of your life. But it wasn't always and I

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Speaker 1: love this part of the story. So it's not like

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Speaker 1: you grew up being like cycling, let's do it. You

593
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Speaker 1: were actually a figure skater and you turned pro in that,

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Speaker 1: but after your thirtieth birthday you were like, let me

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Speaker 1: find some other sports to give a go. And there's

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Speaker 1: kind of a fascinating journey to get to pro cycling,

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Speaker 1: so tell us about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the short story journey to turning pro cycling actually

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Speaker 5: stemmed from our ESPN days and I was given an

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Speaker 5: assignment of say, if you can get to the Olympic

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Speaker 5: Games in two years, like you're the guinea pig, try

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Speaker 5: a sports, see how badly you fail. It was kind

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Speaker 5: of this setup to fail mission right. And the reality

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Speaker 5: that happened condensing that story is that I found cycling.

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Speaker 5: I found road cycling. I'd been a triathlete, and my

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Speaker 5: strongest of those three sports swim by grun was cycling.

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Speaker 5: So I'm like, let me give this thing a try

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Speaker 5: spoiler alert. While I didn't make the Olympic Games in

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Speaker 5: about eighteen months, I came remarkably close to it. But

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Speaker 5: the big thing was that I fell in love with cycling,

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Speaker 5: and as soon as the assignment ended, I was hooked.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm in. I want to do this. I

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Speaker 5: want to see if I can get to the professional

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Speaker 5: level and race against the best of the best. But

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Speaker 5: along the way, I also saw behind the scenes how

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Speaker 5: many inequities there still were and are in pro cycling.

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Speaker 5: For example, the women don't race the same events as

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Speaker 5: the men, they don't race the same distances. We're like

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Speaker 5: half the distance. And then of course the prize money conundrum.

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Speaker 5: We are pennies on the dollar. So all these things

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Speaker 5: didn't add up to the why why, why why is

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Speaker 5: it like this? And that's when I realized, like, we

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Speaker 5: need to change the sport, you know a little bit,

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Speaker 5: and that came from a place of love and being,

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Speaker 5: as they say, being in the arena, I was like,

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Speaker 5: what can I do?

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Speaker 1: I love that though, because I think it's a lesson

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Speaker 1: for people. It's like, there are so many people who

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Speaker 1: see other people step up and do something and think

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Speaker 1: that they must be different in some way, and you're not.

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Speaker 1: You're not a lifelong cyclist. You weren't at the top

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Speaker 1: of cycling in the Olympics. You were a participant and

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Speaker 1: you were very good, but you were also just someone

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Speaker 1: who was keenly aware of how things weren't right and

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Speaker 1: you wanted to do something about it, and.

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Speaker 2: Boy did you.

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Speaker 1: So before we get to what you did, can you

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Speaker 1: give us a brief summary for those who don't know

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Speaker 1: about the history of the women's Tour de France.

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Speaker 2: This is an.

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Speaker 1: Impossible task, but like sixty seconds ish on the clock,

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Speaker 1: what was it before?

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Speaker 2: And go first thing?

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Speaker 5: There are four renditions of the Tour de France FIM

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Speaker 5: that we know today. The first one started in nineteen

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Speaker 5: fifty five, and that was actually a setup to fail

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Speaker 5: back then and the race director of the Tour de

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Speaker 5: France said, I don't think women can do any stages,

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Speaker 5: and he gave the women a five day course and

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Speaker 5: in nineteen fifty five the women there were forty one

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Speaker 5: women from different countries, and they not only did it,

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Speaker 5: they crushed it. They did amazing and apparently that must

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Speaker 5: have scared the race director because it went away. It

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Speaker 5: didn't come back right, so not until nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 5: So from eighty five, from fifty five to eighty four, nothing,

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Speaker 5: Then finally a more progressive race director with the Tour

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Speaker 5: de France, said let's give the women another shot, and

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Speaker 5: this time let's not make it five stages, let's make

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Speaker 5: it eighteen stages, which is almost the same amount as

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Speaker 5: the men. The men had twenty one. So the women

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Speaker 5: raced on the same course the same day, slightly before

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Speaker 5: the men, from eighty four to eighty nine, and it

663
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Speaker 5: was called Tour de France Feminine. And in eighty nine

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Speaker 5: it went away, and people ask why, And the short

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Speaker 5: story is it's about that time, around nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 5: that media coverage TV coverage, which is what we had

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Speaker 5: back then, was the only option for cover in the media.

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Speaker 5: It was basically gearing everything toward the men, and the

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Speaker 5: race directors were given this opportunity to say okay, well

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Speaker 5: let's include the women in this. But they didn't. And

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Speaker 5: instead of saying, hey, we've got a men and women's field,

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Speaker 5: men's and women's field, they just let go of the

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Speaker 5: women's race to focus solely on the men. And that

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Speaker 5: was so sad and a lot of the racers were saying,

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Speaker 5: you know what, screw it, we will make our own

676
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Speaker 5: Tour de France, and the owners of the Tour de

677
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Speaker 5: France said, nope, you do not have access to the name.

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Speaker 5: You can do what you want, but you can't call

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Speaker 5: it the Tour de France. And of course the whole

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Speaker 5: world knew that the Tour Defrance was a name brand.

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Speaker 5: It was a bike you know, a bike race in France.

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Speaker 5: So sadly when the name went away, there was another addition.

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Speaker 5: It was called the Grand bous Clay, but it didn't

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Speaker 5: have the same name. It lost the sponsors that made

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Speaker 5: it a worldwide event, it didn't have the media coverage.

686
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Speaker 5: So that was an eighty nine. And fast forward, what

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Speaker 5: you know when I came onto the scenes thinking hey,

688
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Speaker 5: what can we do here? And again, like you pointed out,

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Speaker 5: I'm not a gold medalist. I did make it to

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Speaker 5: World Championships, but I didn't make it to the Olympic Games.

691
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Speaker 5: I don't have a national title with the US, but

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Speaker 5: what I did have was organizational powers. And I can

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Speaker 5: be very annoying in a good way, maybe also a

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Speaker 5: bad way, but most of the time it comes from

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Speaker 5: a place of love. And I kept saying, what can

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Speaker 5: we do? So I banned it together with three other

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Speaker 5: gold star, gold medal winning Olympians and national champions, and said, Okay,

698
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Speaker 5: if the three of us, the four of us bond together,

699
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Speaker 5: maybe we can really make change here. And that's when

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Speaker 5: we organized to launch a petition to finally include women

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Speaker 5: in the Tour de France, and we went viral for

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Speaker 5: that time, which was just about one hundred thousand signatures.

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Speaker 5: But it wasn't just a petition, it was a website,

704
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 5: it was a manifesto, it was everything. What we wanted

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Speaker 5: to do is sit down with a parent company of

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Speaker 5: the Tour de France called ASO, to sit down with

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Speaker 5: them and guide them in how we can do this productively,

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Speaker 5: lucrative for them and for the athletes, you know. And

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Speaker 5: this is the part of the book that took a

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Speaker 5: good one hundred pages to write. So I'll condense it

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00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 5: to saying like, hey, we won, we got it our

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00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 5: foot in the door, and even though we lobbied for

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Speaker 5: equal inclusion for every day, and they started by saying,

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Speaker 5: you know what, we don't know if anyone will watch,

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Speaker 5: We'll give you one day in twenty four two.

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Speaker 2: Well, so really quick.

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Speaker 1: The book is called Stand and if you are not

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Speaker 1: even remotely interested in cycling, it does not matter because

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Speaker 1: I only read it because Catherine is a friend and

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00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: she sent it to me, and I was like, I

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Speaker 1: want to learn about this activism and how she got

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Speaker 1: this done, even if I've never watched the Tour de

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Speaker 1: France a day of my life, and it's a fascinating

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Speaker 1: look at any kind of activism and how to rally

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Speaker 1: people around something that you care about. And also just

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Speaker 1: a reminder Catherine again, you are not a normal person.

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Speaker 1: You are extraordinary. But also you are much more normal

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Speaker 1: than we imagine we need to be to make the

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Speaker 1: kind of change that you have. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: really inspiring to other people to fight for things like

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Speaker 1: this if they see someone like you, like rally the

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Speaker 1: right people at the right time, figure out the right

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Speaker 1: tricks to pull so that you're getting public support or

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Speaker 1: public shaming, which is often a huge part of getting

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Speaker 1: shit done, which you very well did. So it takes

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Speaker 1: us to twenty fourteen. So we get this first edition,

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Speaker 1: this lack course, but by la Tour de France, so

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Speaker 1: on the Champs of Lyse in Paris ahead of the

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Speaker 1: final stage of the twenty fourteen Tour de France.

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Speaker 2: It's very cool, it's very pretty, it's very fancy. You

741
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Speaker 2: actually got to be on the starting line on your

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Speaker 2: bike racing in it. Very cool, But that wasn't what

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Speaker 2: you were asking for.

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Speaker 1: So finally twenty twenty one we get Tour de France

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Speaker 1: fem eight days over twenty twenty two, they announced it's

746
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Speaker 1: going to happen the next year, and everyone's excited, including you.

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00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: But still shorter, still less prize money, still less TV coverage.

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Speaker 1: So what are we still fighting for as we celebrate

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Speaker 1: that we do have this race now, but not exactly

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Speaker 1: what we want yet.

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Speaker 5: You know, that's such a great question, Sarah, because it

752
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Speaker 5: brings up the concept of progress being a wonderful thing,

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Speaker 5: But it also has to serve as a reminder that

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Speaker 5: we cannot settle for breadcrumbs, you know, in the bake

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Speaker 5: shop of progress. We need to keep vying for the

756
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Speaker 5: whole pie, the whole loaf, whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 5: But right now, the beauty is that we have this

758
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Speaker 5: eight day race. It's actually moving to nine days next year,

759
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Speaker 5: of course, which I poke fun at. I'm like, oh great,

760
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 5: in about thirty years, will be equal if you know,

761
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 5: keep adding one day. But the reality is that what

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Speaker 5: we need to keep pushing for is the fact that

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Speaker 5: women have eight days. Men have twenty one days, So

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Speaker 5: we need more days, yes, But we also need to

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Speaker 5: remember too that the distance of each of the women's

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Speaker 5: race it's shorter each day than the men's and it's

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Speaker 5: because of this antiquated system of like, oh, well, the

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Speaker 5: women couldn't possibly do a longer race, and we all

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Speaker 5: know that's crap. We all know that the you know,

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Speaker 5: sports physiologists have proven that women excel in endurance events,

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Speaker 5: so it's just hogwash to say, oh, we'll give the

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Speaker 5: women half or two thirds. They couldn't possibly you know,

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Speaker 5: the whole their ovaries will fall out. I yeah, right,

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Speaker 5: So longer distance, longer days. But also the big disappointment

775
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Speaker 5: is the fact that the prize money per day for

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Speaker 5: women compared to the men's eight days to eight days,

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Speaker 5: women only make twenty nine percent of what the men

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Speaker 5: are earning, and that needs to change too. So we

779
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 5: still have some battles to fight, and we want to

780
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 5: remind people that we can celebrate the progress but also

781
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 5: use the word and to ask for more well.

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Speaker 1: And it helps when we ask for more if we're

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Speaker 1: supporting the thing, we're demanding that they make longer, bigger

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Speaker 1: and better.

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Speaker 2: So what do we watch for?

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Speaker 1: If we are getting first timers who are listening to

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Speaker 1: the show, who are saying, Okay, I'm in, I want

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Speaker 1: to watch Latorda France fem, what do they watch for?

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Speaker 2: How do they appreciate it?

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Speaker 3: I love it?

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Speaker 5: Great question. A lot of people think that bike racing

792
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 5: is a whole group of people and the fastest person wins.

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Speaker 5: But here's what's really exciting about cycling. It's like a

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Speaker 5: moving chess game. And within the piloton and that's the

795
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 5: group of cyclists, we've got sprinters, we've got climbers, we've

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Speaker 5: got best Young Rider category, and within stage racing there

797
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 5: are multiple areas in each race where a climber might

798
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 5: win a certain amount of points, a sprinter might win

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Speaker 5: the best Young rider might win, and then there's a

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Speaker 5: team classification, so there are multiple races happening within a race,

801
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 5: and once a viewer tunes in and understands those dynamics,

802
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 5: you have a variety of people to root for, and

803
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 5: that makes the sport so exciting, as does the fact

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Speaker 5: that these athletes on the women's side of pro cycling

805
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 5: have such extraordinary stories and backgrounds. You know, many of

806
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 5: them have had to work two to three part time

807
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 5: jobs just to make it, whereas the men have more

808
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 5: of a pipeline track into the big leagues. So amazing

809
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Speaker 5: backstories we've got like doctors, lawyers, professors who are also

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Speaker 5: pro cyclists, really fascinating stuff. And of course the global

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Speaker 5: outreach now cycling is huge. You know, if you had

812
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 5: gone back maybe twenty or thirty years, you might see

813
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Speaker 5: that like it's all Dutch or all Belgian or all

814
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 5: European athletes, and now it's just a rainbow of accomplishment

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Speaker 5: of different countries. Like the top ten are all from

816
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 5: different countries and that goes down top twenty. So it's

817
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 5: really really amazing that we can actually get behind us

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Speaker 5: globally global athletes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome, Well we're all excited. And if you want

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00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: to watch Catherine's documentary Half the Road from twenty fourteen,

821
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: or if you want to read her book stand which

822
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: I highly recommend, there's a lot in there besides just cycling,

823
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: stuff from her life and her dramatic brain injury and all.

824
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 2: Sorts of other hiccups along the way.

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Speaker 1: Also her Homestretch Foundation, which assists female pro athletes who

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Speaker 1: struggle with the gender pay gap. I've actually been to

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Speaker 1: the house, which is gorgeous where the athletes live and

828
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: train and get a leg up as they try to

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Speaker 1: live out their dreams. We're going to put links to

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00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: all those things in our show notes. Catherine, enjoy the Netherlands,

831
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: enjoy the race, and thanks so much for making time

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Speaker 1: for us.

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Speaker 5: Sarah, thank you for all you do for women's sports

834
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 5: and all of sports. We so appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, counter as a slice, y'all. She's in.

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Speaker 1: So grateful to Catherine for joining us, and we encourage

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Speaker 1: you to tune into the Tour de France fem this weekend. No, seriously,

838
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: you can even ride your peloton while you watch, if

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Speaker 1: you've got one.

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00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: That'll be good motivation, right, It'll be like you're in

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00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: the race.

842
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: We always love to hear from you, so hit us

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844
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,480
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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Production by Wonder Media Network, our producers

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Speaker 1: are Alex Azzi and Misha Jones. Our executive producers are

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Speaker 1: Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan.

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Speaker 2: And Emily Rudder.

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Speaker 1: Our editors are Jenny Kaplan, Emily Wrotter, Bretney Martinez and

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Speaker 1: Grace Lynch.

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Speaker 2: Production assistants from Lucy Jones and I'm Your Host Sarah

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Speaker 2: Spain