1 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: I might keep on this edition of the OTP. 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: We celebrate the twenty fifth anniversary of the Music City 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: Miracle play. It's the most famous play in franchise history, 5 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: the defining moment in franchise history, and it's one of 6 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: the greatest plays in NFL history. It's a play that 7 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: has changed many lives. No one's more than Kevin Dyson, 8 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: but the Music City Miracle has not defined his life. 9 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to sit down with Kevin Dyson 10 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: at the Franklin Cares Endowment Luncheon earlier in the season. 11 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: With special thanks to Franklin United Methodist Church for allowing 12 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: us to share it with you. Here is the man 13 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: now known as doctor Kevin Dyson, principal of Centennial High School. 14 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: When Brian told me the date and we began working 15 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: on what this presentation would be like for you, there 16 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: was one person who jumped to mind because we have 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: a very significant anniversary coming up with the Music City Miracle. 18 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: It's hard to believe that on January the eighth, twenty 19 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: twenty five, the Music City Miracle will be twenty five 20 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: years old. 21 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know right, me too. 22 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: The person who became known as the miracle Man was 23 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: somebody that I actually came to the organization with. He 24 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: was the last Eiler first round pick, and we sort 25 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: of grew up together in all of this. There were 26 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: caravan trips together. I liked him so much. I took 27 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: him to Big Edge Pizza and Oakridge. We saw a 28 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: lot of the countryside, and I saw him make a 29 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: tremendous difference for our organization. Outside of the fact that 30 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: he made a tremendous difference on the field, he was 31 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: always at the top of my list of favorite players 32 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: and remained so to this day because not only was 33 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: he good at what he did and he provided us 34 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: some special moments, but he was a top notch human 35 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: big and even when he left and he went to Carolina, 36 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: we still had warm feelings for him, excited that he 37 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: got to go to another Super Bowl. Then, after his 38 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: playing career ended, he came back, he became a coach, 39 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: and then he took a very different track. He went 40 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: into administration and now he is in his fourth year 41 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: as the principal right here in Williamson County at Centennial 42 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: High School. It has been a twenty five year journey 43 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: of success with a lot of different paths taken, and 44 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about some of that today. Folks, 45 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: please welcome Kevin Diser. Now see the kids. The kids 46 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: don't know him as Kevin, they know hims, doctor Diser, 47 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: being the principal. 48 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: Have a seat, relax. 49 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: So one question that I've had for years and that 50 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: you might be able to answer for me. Okay, what 51 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: does a high school principal actually do? 52 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: Not a whole lot. 53 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you don't hoarde desserts like in the movies 54 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. 55 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit. 56 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 4: Okay, this this bribery. You know, if I can give 57 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 4: you a typical day, I would. That's the that's the 58 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 4: point of it all. It's atypical. It's every day is 59 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 4: a little bit different. 60 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: You know. You might have a day where a. 61 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 4: Kid goes to athletic shock from diabetes. You might have 62 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 4: a kid that has a seizure. You might have a 63 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 4: day and nothing happens. In those days, we cheer because 64 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 4: nothing's going on, just a normal day. So I think 65 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 4: that's why I enjoy it, because every day has its 66 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 4: own little treasure. Because I have a conversation with a kid, 67 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 4: you might transform their trajectory, or or you might have 68 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: a conversation with a kid, and it's just real life, 69 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 4: just situations. And last year we dealt with some stuff 70 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 4: in a very short period of time where we lost 71 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 4: like two students and we lost three in a calendar 72 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 4: year's time, and how that impacted the whole building. 73 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: And you know, dealing with that kind of stuff. 74 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,679 Speaker 4: They don't they don't prepare for that stuff in school, 75 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 4: how to deal with trauma with kids as they lose 76 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 4: their best friends. So you know, it's it's anything but typical. 77 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 4: If you assume you know what it's like, you have 78 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 4: no idea because every day is a little bit different. 79 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 2: Centennial is blessed to have you. 80 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: Thank you. 81 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: I appreciate you did what a. 82 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: Lot of former players do going into coaching, even high 83 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: school coaching. Were successful and yet there was something more 84 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: you wanted to do. When did it become obvious to 85 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: you that becoming a principal. 86 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: Of a high school was what you thought? When did 87 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: that first cross your mind? 88 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 3: Man? 89 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 4: I honestly so, I was coaching Independence and we had 90 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 4: a pretty decent year. We lost first round the playoffs 91 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 4: in Mount Juliet, and it was somewhat of a rough year. 92 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 4: It was one of those years where just we're winning 93 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 4: on the field, but I'm dealing with a lot of 94 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: stuff on the outside, like kids not showing up parents, this, 95 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 4: It was just a whole bunch. And a gentleman contacted 96 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 4: me right after Thanksgiving break. You know, you still kind 97 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 4: of have a you know, a headache from the season, 98 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 4: like you know that just just over and you need 99 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 4: a break from it all. But you give rejuvenate, you 100 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 4: get refreshed when it's a new and he asked me 101 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 4: in the right time, pretty much like do you want to, 102 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 4: you know, try something different. And I just had my 103 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 4: third child, my son, and I essentially had missed the 104 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: whole first year of his life growing up missus first step, 105 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 4: first smile, all the things, first words, coaching other people's kids, 106 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 4: and at that time, I didn't feel appreciated from that 107 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 4: aspect of it. And so I was like, I'm coaching 108 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 4: other people's kids and I'm not even home for my own. 109 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 4: Because literally I would come home, he'd be a bed. 110 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 4: I wake up early morning and I didn't see him. 111 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 4: So the only time I saw him was on Saturdays, 112 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 4: and I'd fall asleep because I was tired all week, 113 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: and then we watched film and then I do radio 114 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 4: in the games on Sunday and so things like that. 115 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 4: So I was just like this priority shift, and so 116 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 4: I moved into administration and it formed me some opportunities 117 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 4: to be there more for my own kids. Really, that 118 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 4: was kind of the final decision why I decided to 119 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 4: do that. 120 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: And you're able to literally make an impact on more 121 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: kids in this role than if you were a coach. 122 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: I think. 123 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 4: So I think I get to spend the whole building. 124 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 4: When you're a football coach or teacher, you got your 125 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 4: little world, you got your one hundreds of my kids 126 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 4: that come in and at your classroom seven periods a day. 127 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: Then as a football coach, you know, depending on the year, 128 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 4: you got one hundred individuals that you get to impact. 129 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: And yeah, that. 130 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 4: Web spreads a little bit, but in this aspect of it, 131 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 4: I'm responsible for the fourteen hundred some of my kids 132 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 4: and one hundred some of my adults in the building, 133 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 4: and so that influence and closing those gaps of communication 134 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 4: and that influence. So you're influencing fifteen, sixteen hundred people 135 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 4: a day, and how does that spread out to the 136 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 4: community to the world. So you know, it's been a 137 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 4: unique challenge for me and it's helped me grow as 138 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 4: a leader as a person, just because I've had to 139 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 4: learn how to not only manage myself as an individual 140 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 4: and grow individuals. 141 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: It's made me be very reflective. 142 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: But how can I be better for that person who's 143 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 4: in my office, that kid that comes to my office, 144 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 4: that kid I've seen the hallway, that teachers that's going 145 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 4: through something. I mean, I mean, we've had teachers dealing 146 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 4: with cancer. We've had teachers dealing with lots of parents, 147 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 4: lots of kids, his lost family, like that stuff I 148 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 4: wasn't prepared for as a former football player who didn't 149 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 4: deal with you know, we didn't go therapy, you know 150 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 4: what I mean, Like I didn't deal with that kind 151 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 4: of stuff. I just went on, put my pads on, 152 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 4: and went on to the next day. And so it's 153 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 4: been I've grown as an individual because of this job 154 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 4: has made me grow up as a man. 155 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: Your mom was not as interested in your athletic career 156 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: as she was your academic career at all, and you 157 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: were the rarity. The kids today go to all summer 158 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: and do everything, and so they get degrees and get 159 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: master's degrees while they're playing in college. You actually finished 160 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: your undergraduate degree while you were at Utah before your 161 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: senior year. Mom said, the degree has to happen. 162 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much. She had one rule growing up. We 163 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: had to have a B average in order to play sports. 164 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 4: So I had to have a three point or better. 165 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: And she wasn't kidding. 166 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 4: No, she wasn't kidding because when I was in sixth 167 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 4: grade and I challenged that, uh, she took basketball away. 168 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: And a lot of people don't even realize basketball is 169 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 4: my first love. 170 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: You said you were going to be an NBA. 171 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: That was it. 172 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 4: I was gonna buy her house and that was the dream. 173 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 3: You know. 174 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 4: We had bounced around apartment department, house to house, whatever, 175 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 4: and I wondered, that was the dream for me to 176 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 4: be able to ford her house. And I challenged it. 177 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 4: I'm the oldest single mom, and she took it away, 178 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 4: and I'll never forget it. I begged, begged, and I 179 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 4: begged and kept on begging, and finally, I guess I 180 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 4: wore it down and she finally agreed. I was progress 181 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 4: monitor and anytime my grades dipped below a certain level, 182 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: then she would take it away, and I didn't let it, 183 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 4: you know. But it's not because I'm intelligent, y'all. I'll 184 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 4: tell you right now, I'm not intelligent. I'm just saying 185 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 4: my smarts come from I knew if I had chemistry, 186 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 4: PE's gonna balance that out, you know what I'm saying. 187 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: So if I'm smart, you tell the kids that now. 188 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: It's I mean, no, no, no, no, tell her that's just here, 189 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: that's just here. 190 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 4: We're in girl, folks. Yeah, don't put that out there now. 191 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: But you know you do a little bit of that, 192 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: you know. 193 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 4: So I'm gonna date myself some of your younger ones 194 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 4: in here, like you know, home ech. You know, y'all 195 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 4: remember the home mech and shop class, the stuff. 196 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: That we don't have anymore. 197 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 4: Like I had stuff like that, and true and truly 198 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 4: be told, that's stuff that I really enjoyed anyway, you know, 199 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 4: not that I did enjoy math and science and all that. 200 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: But you were a good student. You're not giving yourself 201 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: enough credit. 202 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 4: I did well enough, I'll be honest with you. I 203 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 4: didn't learn how to be a good student until I 204 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 4: retired from NFL, and I was paying for it myself. 205 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 4: But when we got both my masters and my doctorate. 206 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: It was I learned I had the capacity to do well. 207 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 4: It's better in school. It's just applying the same principles 208 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 4: that I applied to be an athlete to my academics. 209 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 4: And that's been the biggest lesson of my life since 210 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 4: retiring at thirty years old, that I've always had these 211 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 4: abilities in me. I just applied them to things that 212 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 4: were important to me. And that's just a life lesson. 213 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 4: Like you have it in you, it is how you 214 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 4: apply it and where you apply it too. So I 215 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 4: was applying ere all my energy was I was going 216 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 4: to play pro basketball. Then it turned the pro football, 217 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 4: and you know, I got my degrees and everything, but 218 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 4: that was the dream, that was the goal. So when 219 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 4: that was no longer the pinnacle of anything, no, I'm 220 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 4: not no longer searching for that, What's next? So I 221 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 4: applied all that same thing into this basket of education 222 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 4: and it's worked out because I've always had it in me. 223 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: So you were the last Oilers first round crazy. It 224 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: is crazy. You were the last Oilers first round pick. 225 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: If I had told you then, being from Utah and 226 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: having played for the Utes, that Tennessee would become. 227 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 2: Your forever home. Oh no, did you know anything about Tennessee? 228 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I'm about to telling myself right now. 229 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: Listen. 230 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 4: The only thing I knew about the South was not good. 231 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 4: Like you know, I was scared to death to come. 232 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: To the South. And let me tell you. 233 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 4: I had bout the house right here in Franklin, and 234 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 4: it was the most stereo typical white guy ever. He 235 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 4: had overalls, under no shirt on, barey sticking out, had 236 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 4: the hat, he had chewing his mouth, and he came 237 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: to my house and his name was Bubba. Story I'm 238 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 4: on the phone with my best friend who's from California. 239 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 4: He started laughing, and I'm just I'll try not to laugh. 240 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 4: His name was Bubba, and he was the nicest Southern 241 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 4: gentleman I've ever met in my life. All he wanted 242 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 4: was to meet me, shake my hand, and getting autographed. 243 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 4: But I was I was fearful because all I saw 244 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 4: was on TV and things I made assumptions about this 245 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 4: man that weren't even true, and about the South. So 246 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 4: I saw this, say, I've been here, it's been this 247 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 4: is home. This is as long as I've ever lived anywhere. 248 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 4: You know, Vegas Utah. This has been my home and 249 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 4: my family, this community for twenty six years going on, 250 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 4: going on twenty six years now, and so actually this 251 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 4: past twenty six years, this past April, I guess I 252 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 4: was drafted ninety eight. So so yeah, man, I just 253 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 4: I can't imagine right now anywhere else. 254 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 3: Well, yes I can. 255 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 4: I can go on somebody's beach doing nothing right now. 256 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 4: But other than that, yeah, well don't leave. 257 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were drafted ahead of Randy Moss. 258 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 259 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: How much pressure did that put on you when you 260 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: were taking five picks before a future NFL Pro Football 261 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, especially after the rookie year that he 262 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: had and your rookie year you didn't play a whole 263 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: lot until the end of the season. 264 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: I appreciate that. 265 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 4: Then I'm sure we'll get into I'm actually wrote about this, 266 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 4: and I'm gonna compare this to Will Levis just because 267 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 4: it's kind of present. I don't think people understand the scrutiny, 268 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 4: the pressure that comes with performing for literally tens of 269 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 4: thousands of people every day that we put on ourselves, 270 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 4: let alone the pressure of management, contract, teammates, all that 271 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 4: that comes with it, and then you throw in the 272 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 4: expectation of being a first round pick comes with that 273 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 4: as far as production. Then you throw in you're drafted 274 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 4: for a guy who's highly talented, a Heisman Trophy candidate, 275 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 4: widely known as one of the greatest to ever do 276 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 4: it in that particular position. And I didn't ask for 277 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 4: none of that. I just want an opportunity to play. 278 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 4: I just wanted to be somewhere somebody gonna let me 279 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 4: show I can play as well. I didn't ask to 280 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: be the first tea taking I just wanted to be 281 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 4: somewhere I can play and contribute and so all that. 282 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 4: So I dealt with all that from the time I 283 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 4: got drafted. I answered all those questions except for part 284 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: of my rookie year, and I got tired of answering them, 285 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: and I said, I want to answer another Radymuss question 286 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 4: until at the end of the year, which when we 287 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 4: played them and of course he shows out, you know, 288 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 4: you know whatever, And that whole time, I'm just suffering 289 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 4: in silence because I'm like, man, I'm over here too, 290 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 4: I can play. And our circumstances were a lot different. 291 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 4: This was Eddie's team. 292 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: For lack of a better way to shoot up and. 293 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 4: We didn't throw a whole lot, but to most people 294 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 4: that didn't matter. You know, I'm getting one or two 295 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 4: Tarkas game, he's getting ten eleven well targets a game. 296 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 4: But all they're seeing you I have one catch, He's 297 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 4: got nine catches. 298 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: That's all people saw, right. 299 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 4: So dealing with all of that, that pressure, and the 300 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 4: reason why I compare that to what Will Levice is 301 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 4: going through right now, there's not a non pressure that 302 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: anybody else could put on me that I was already 303 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 4: putting myself, but nobody would know it. That's why I 304 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 4: asked you when we were sitting down house his spirit, 305 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 4: because he seems okay, but people are ready need to 306 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 4: go check on him, because his spirit right now is 307 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 4: like because he wants to win, he wants to perform well, 308 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 4: he wants to do right, because you have that in 309 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 4: you to want to please those that are watching you, 310 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 4: at least for me, And I don't speak for him, 311 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 4: and I shouldn't do that, but that at least for me, 312 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 4: it was just I wanted it so bad because I 313 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 4: wanted to justify why I was picked, not necessarily picked 314 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 4: before him, was just justify being selected. And so that 315 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: was the thing that I've been dealing with for the 316 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 4: past twenty something years of just dealing with that, because 317 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 4: even doing radio the other day, somebody brought it up. 318 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: He just talked about, well, if we're drafted random Moss 319 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: instead of you, we have one would have been the 320 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 4: three Super Bowls. I'm like, I've been to more Super 321 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 4: Bowls than this man. He hasn't. He hasn't won because 322 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 4: it's the oltimate team sport. I've been to two Super 323 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 4: he's been the one, and neither one of us have 324 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 4: a title. But he has the stats in the career 325 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 4: and I'm so happy for him. And I'm mentioning the 326 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 4: same conversation for those that don't know. There was a 327 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 4: few other people in that draft too, Peyton Manning, Charles Woodson. 328 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 4: I mean that was a pretty style draft of that 329 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 4: I was in. I think so far we got four, 330 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 4: maybe five Hall of Famers out of that draft. 331 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: Crazy, yeah, Wards be next. 332 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: Well, your second year things started happening when we opened 333 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: a Delphia Coliseum against the Bengals. 334 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: Nine catches, one hundred and sixty two yards too. 335 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 4: I thought about to have one hundred something catches that year. 336 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: Well, and you had a good week two, in Week. 337 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 4: Three as well, and then we stopped throwing. 338 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: We stopped throwing, which was kind of that's Jennefer problem. 339 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: But at the end of the year, you'd had a 340 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: really good year. We make the playoffs. We played Buffalo 341 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: January eighth, two thousand. Do you remember anything about that 342 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: day in your mind with everything that's gone on other 343 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: than the Music City Miracle? 344 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 4: Oh? 345 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely, do you really? Absolutely. 346 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 4: I remember waking up at the Lowe's Hotel that morning 347 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 4: and thinking, man, it's a playoff football game, and it 348 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 4: just felt different. Now, I don't know how to express 349 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 4: that to people that watched the game, but from a 350 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 4: player's perspective, it's different from when I woke up to 351 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 4: play a preseason game to my first game or the 352 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 4: season opener. It's just a different field, Like the sun's 353 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: a little different, the sky's a little different, the air 354 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: is a little bit different. It's just it's like a 355 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,239 Speaker 4: thickness in the air that you can't describe, and so 356 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 4: when you pull up you just know it's for keeps, 357 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 4: like this is literally could be the last game of 358 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: this season and that year in particular, because we're just transformed, 359 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 4: transition to the Titans we had lost a home game. 360 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 4: This was a first playoff game and franchised, and like 361 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 4: I forgot how many years forgot that time. 362 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 3: It was my first one. 363 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 4: It was a lot of people's first playoff game, and 364 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 4: you just remember walking down there like, man, this is it. 365 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 3: And then it. 366 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 4: Was kind of overcast the day and we got started, 367 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 4: we got going, and it was back and forth, but 368 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 4: I felt like we was in control of everything. We 369 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 4: just couldn't get the touchdowns, but we I felt like 370 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 4: we were, you know, control that game most of it. 371 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 4: And then and then next thing, you know, we were 372 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 4: out of control. And it was just like seeing. 373 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 2: Like what happened? 374 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 3: We had yeah, and it did. It seems to real, 375 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 3: like what happened? Like how did we. 376 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 4: Go from just really I mean Javon sacking the guy 377 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 4: in the end zone like they couldn't do anything and 378 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 4: we were moving the ball, just couldn't score and to 379 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 4: now we're behind and it was just so surreal. So 380 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 4: and they are sure we're getting to the play here 381 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 4: in a minute. But that I definitely remember that, just 382 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 4: that feeling of preparation and excitement and it just feeling 383 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 4: different up until that Otober game started. 384 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: Do you remember your stat line from that game. 385 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 4: I do not say I have one catch, one catch, 386 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 4: eight yards four four there you I know, Sam Coward choice, Yeah, 387 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 4: Sam Coward made the tackle. 388 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: Sam Coward good point. 389 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, So sixteen seconds left, we're now behind sixteen 390 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: to fifty. This is Buffalo. They've been to four Super 391 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: Bowls in a row. They've consistently been the best team 392 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: in the NFL. They've won the game. That's it, because 393 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: we really can't throw the ball. Steve had not had 394 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: a good day, and we're I mean, we're gonna lose. 395 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean that's what people are leaving. Things like this 396 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: are happening, and they call home run throwback on the sideline. 397 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, what is it? 398 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: You have no clue what that is. 399 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 4: I did not why you have Well, I didn't know, 400 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 4: but I wasn't a part of it. 401 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: You had never practiced it. 402 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 3: I had never practiced it. 403 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: You had never had a role in that kickoff return. 404 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 3: Down until January eight, two thousand. 405 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: Who came and got you and said go in the game. 406 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 3: Jeff Fisher and Alan Lowry. 407 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 4: So initially, Derek Mason is the primary kick returner who 408 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 4: was in should have been in. He I guess got 409 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 4: a concussion on a punt return, and his backup is 410 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 4: Anthony Dorsett Jr. Who was cramping up and couldn't run. 411 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 4: The irony of all that is, during the time that 412 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 4: Derek Mason got hit, I was going into the locker 413 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 4: room to get intervenous fluids because I was cramping up 414 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 4: in the third quarter. So it just I mean, I mean, 415 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 4: if you talked about this is where a church ordaining 416 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 4: something or something that's providential. 417 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it really was. 418 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 4: It was providential that I was even there because I 419 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 4: was getting IVS, which the backup was being suffering from 420 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,719 Speaker 4: and the starter who was concussed. So it was just 421 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 4: I was really supposed to be out there. 422 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: What did they tell you to do? 423 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 4: So Jeff, Jeff, Jeff and Allen were just trying to 424 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 4: explain the gist of the play now, so he's just 425 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 4: what we run to the end of the practice. 426 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 3: So I knew the gist of it all. 427 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 4: But essentially what they told me was they're gonna squib 428 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 4: the ball. Frank's gonna get it. He's gonna run, try 429 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 4: to track many defenders as he can. He's gonna later 430 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 4: it across the field to Isaac. 431 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: Bird who So you're not even supposed to get I. 432 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 3: Wasn't supposed to get the ball. 433 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 4: And he said, once gets it, he's gonna run. You 434 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 4: get in pitt relationship with him slightly behind him, and 435 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 4: if you gets in trouble, he's gonna pitch it to 436 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 4: you and you get what you. 437 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: Can and get out of bounds or what have you. Right, 438 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: that was the gist of it all. 439 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 4: So in the middle of all that, Isaac's trying to 440 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 4: tell me something, Frank is trying to tell me something. Y'all, 441 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 4: this goes great, I'm gonna latter to him. 442 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. 443 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 4: In twenty almost twenty five years now, I have never 444 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 4: spoken to Ike about this. I mean, if we've spoken, 445 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 4: I just never asked him. I don't know if anybody's 446 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 4: ever asked him. 447 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 2: I have you have? 448 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 3: And when the. 449 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 4: Ball blooped up first and foremost, I just found out 450 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 4: bless his heart, and Frank passed away. But I found 451 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 4: this out a few years ago that in the midst 452 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 4: of all that, Lorenzo Nils said again providential that hey, 453 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 4: the boss, come to me, come get it from me, 454 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 4: and I'll block for you. There's that who knows how 455 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 4: he figured that out. And then I don't know why 456 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 4: Isaac played the ball like he did because you. 457 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: Can see him come running up, yeah, and he takes 458 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: himself out of the play. 459 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: And so how do you know to be in position 460 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 2: for Frank's throat? 461 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 3: You know? 462 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 4: If anything I got from my coaches, and sometimes you 463 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 4: can drop the perfect play and every place perfect right, 464 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 4: if everything lines I supposed to do. But at some 465 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 4: point an athlete has to be an athlete. Sometimes a 466 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 4: football player has to be a football player. 467 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 3: And it was just instinctual. 468 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 4: I just I don't know. I was sitting there. I 469 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 4: literally like it really was instinctual. I sit there, I 470 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 4: saw Frank's arm real back, and I said, oh, I 471 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 4: guess I need to step back, and I just stepped back. 472 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: So in theory, what should have happened is Frank should 473 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: have thrown the pass would pass to Isaac Burdon, but 474 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna be there, and you probably shouldn't have 475 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: been there. 476 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: The ball just should have gone out of bounce. 477 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 3: Should have gone out of bounce by all right. 478 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 4: So I'm would say Jeff and Allen's coaching of me 479 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 4: being behind Isaac is probably the reason why I was 480 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 4: back there because in my eyes, I'm watching him and 481 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 4: I'm like, I just gotta stayed behind him. 482 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: And then I'm like, well, he's up there. 483 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 4: So that's probably why why I ended up being where 484 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 4: I was. 485 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 2: So you get the ball and you just start running. 486 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: That's the easiest part of my job. 487 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 4: That's one thing I could do for sure is run. 488 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 3: So that was the easiest part of it all. 489 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: You know. 490 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: My dad's problem was that he said I was thinking 491 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: Kevin should have gotten out of bounds. I thought that, 492 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: and there were people on the Titans sideline who thought that. 493 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: Did you ever consider running out of bounds? Because a 494 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: field goal would have won the game for us. 495 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 3: For a hot second. 496 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 4: Now, you know, you're talking about something that happens literally 497 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 4: what about four four and a half seconds sometime, And 498 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 4: literally I can remember at one point thinking, okay, at 499 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 4: what point should I got a bounds And then Doug 500 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 4: Christy goes down and then it's like, oh crap, I'm 501 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 4: about to score. So then it's like I'm on the 502 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 4: score so then and then it's just celebration mode at 503 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 4: that point, you know, because I just after I got 504 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 4: the end zone. I remember before the kickoff, watching Buffalo 505 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 4: celebrate and taunting our crowd, and oh yeah, I just 506 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 4: just and that just that's why you see me run 507 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 4: from one end to the other. It wasn't just for 508 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 4: me to be oh, I'm on camera more. It wasn't 509 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 4: even about that. It really was me to be like, yes, 510 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 4: you see this now, you shouldn't have celebrated too soon. 511 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 3: We got That's what it was. 512 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 4: It was my retribution in my way. 513 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: What do you remember about being in that end zone 514 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: after you cross the goal line? Can you remember it 515 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: or are all your memories from having seen the play now? 516 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 3: I think a little bit of both. 517 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 4: I think at that time I remember so many people 518 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 4: asking me was it backwards or was it lateral or 519 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 4: things like that, And honestly, based on how I moved 520 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 4: my body at that time, I didn't think it was 521 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 4: even close. Now I'm not, you know, game of inches 522 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 4: and angles, and I wasn't even thinking it was close 523 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 4: at all. But but I think what Buffalo fans in 524 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 4: particular loose sight of is the definition of a lateral 525 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 4: It's the flight of the ball, not the body position. 526 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 4: So the flight of the ball is either straight or 527 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 4: back slightly back. Well, the flight of the ball is 528 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 4: obviously straight down. The line was actually slightly back, but 529 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 4: they get so caught up in the angles of me 530 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 4: and him that it makes the optic illusion that the 531 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 4: ball's going forward right anyway, you could tell thirty twenty 532 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 4: five years, I've been able to figure this out. So 533 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 4: if you're a Buffalo fan, man, whatever, so but to 534 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 4: be told that's the people lose sight of that. So 535 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 4: I think over the time, I now watched the reaction 536 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 4: of everybody else, and I just get to appreciate watching 537 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 4: fans Reactually, even when I look at pictures now, I 538 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 4: got a picture of my house and you see Steve 539 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 4: McNair in the background and his eyes all big. 540 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 3: I have that pitture up and then it's like, so 541 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 3: when I see it. 542 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 4: I watched the crowd's reaction, and it's just that's the 543 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: fun part for me. 544 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite piece of music City memorabile, 545 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: music City miracle memorabilia? 546 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: Probably my gloves. 547 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 4: I still have the gloves. It's debatable who has the football. Listen, 548 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 4: this is a whole this is a whole nother story. Yeah, 549 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 4: this is this is a source spot with me. 550 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 2: The football. 551 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 4: I don't know so I'm bad. I'm glad were in 552 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 4: church right now because I'm about to trum. Yeah, because 553 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 4: so I had the ball, I gave it over the 554 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 4: hosts and everybody like equipment. I couldn't manage it, and 555 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 4: they usually doctor ball up so you can save it 556 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 4: as a souvenir and everything else. Well, that's what the story. 557 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 4: We don't know. I gave him the ball to give 558 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 4: back to me. Well, I got one back. But what 559 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 4: I heard is that Frank went in and he got it, 560 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 4: but I don't know. And then I heard he got 561 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 4: the ball made up and gave it to the Adams family, 562 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 4: which I don't know. So but what I tell people 563 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 4: I got the ball. I'm just being honestly, all right now, 564 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 4: I got it, but I really don't know. 565 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 2: But you don't know. 566 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. 567 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 4: But twenty five years I've had it. 568 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: Said that a great part of the story you have 569 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: all you have bird story, you have the Anthony Dorsett story, 570 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: you have Alan Lowry, you have they Block, Steve Christy, 571 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: You've got I mean, they're all these parts of the story. 572 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 2: You're part of. 573 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: One of the greatest plays in NFL history, based on 574 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: the fact that it came in the playoffs. It happened 575 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: at the moment that it did. And whether it's the 576 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: Sea of Hands or the Immaculate Reception or whatever, all 577 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: of these plays have stories. 578 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 2: It's marvelous. 579 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 4: Well, and I was talking to actually on my way here, 580 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 4: not on my hero before I came here, talking to 581 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 4: one of my teachers, and he was sharing with me 582 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 4: a documentary that he was watching and it was art curator, 583 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 4: I think who was. He was questioning a gentleman who 584 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 4: had Demaggio's one of Demajo's history bats and it was 585 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 4: like and he bought it. 586 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 3: It was displayed. It's like, why is this art? 587 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 4: And in the art collector, the sports member Billia collector 588 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 4: was saying, like art is of time and of fulfilling right. 589 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 4: And to him that was a masterpiece because the depression, 590 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 4: all the study that was going on during that time. Well, 591 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 4: if you think about the Mwicity miracle of with this 592 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 4: transition to the Titans, we had won every game in there. 593 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 4: That was our last possession, that's opportunity, last ditch your 594 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 4: hope in that stadium which we were undefeated. We became 595 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 4: quote unquote Tennessee's team that became to a lot of 596 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 4: people their sports masterpiece. 597 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 3: That was their. 598 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 4: Mona Lisa, that was their sixtieth chapel, that was their 599 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 4: sports masterpiece. Whether you talk about the six touchdowns that 600 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 4: U t people that I was there and that was 601 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 4: their and to be able to share that for twenty 602 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 4: five years and know that there will never be anything 603 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 4: like that again. Whether somebody has a last second lateral again, 604 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 4: there's nothing going to be like that again, nothing like 605 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 4: the immaculate reception to see a hands There's nothing going to. 606 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 3: Be like that. 607 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 4: The laterals in California and Stanford, There's never And if 608 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 4: you were there for those moments, that's your sports masterpiece. 609 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 4: And I think that's what has made this special for 610 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 4: twenty five years for me is the stories I've been 611 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 4: able to hear of people sharing of where they were 612 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 4: and how what it meant to them. And my kid 613 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 4: was my literally my wife has given birth and I'm 614 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 4: watching the TV like like a dude just told me 615 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 4: that the other day. You're like yeah, like yeah, so 616 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 4: I mean stories like that, like the birth of your 617 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 4: son us out here watching me. 618 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: But you know that's kind of. 619 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 4: Cool, you know, So you know, I think now being older, 620 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 4: appreciating life a little bit different than when you are 621 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 4: twenty four to twenty five years old. I think now 622 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I see that connection to so many 623 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 4: people emotionally because it is their art masterpiece. 624 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: Twenty two days later, you're tackled inside the one up. 625 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 3: But I appreciate you. 626 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. So you have that happen on January eighth. 627 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: On January thirtieth, less than a yard short away from 628 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: potentially tying or winning the Super Bowl. The following September, 629 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: You're off to a great start. There's a freak accident 630 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: in practice with one of the guys who was on 631 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: the field during the Music City Miracle, Perry Phoenix. 632 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: You tear up your knee. I mean, you've seen some stuff. 633 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: You've seen the high, you've seen the low, You've seen 634 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: the end between as a man who'll be fifty years 635 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: old next summer, and as a man who works with 636 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: children in this community, young people, not really children, sort 637 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: of all of that as an experience in what leads 638 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: to you? 639 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: How has all that effected your life? 640 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 4: Man's that's such a profound question. You know, I'm actually 641 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 4: writing a book about it and my transition to my 642 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 4: journey and one of the things I talk about is 643 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 4: this in particular. 644 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 2: Is. 645 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 4: Sometimes we define ourselves by our accolades and our accomplishments, 646 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 4: and life is so much more. It's about the lessons 647 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 4: with it and how you respond to those lessons. And 648 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 4: I unfortunately my career didn't go how I wanted it. 649 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 4: As you mentioned the knee injury that I suffered the 650 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 4: very next year, after I had made a name for myself. 651 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 4: Finally I was coming out of that quote unquote shadow 652 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 4: and I was making a name for myself. 653 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 3: He said, I just had a good game. 654 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 2: You just had a hundred yard game gainst. 655 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 3: The Chiefs and everything. 656 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 4: And next thing I know, I have a career threatening injury, 657 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 4: which ultimately, as you think about the domino fact, I 658 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 4: think it pretty much ended my career a lot earlier 659 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,479 Speaker 4: than that probably should have. And here I am twenty 660 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 4: six years old, and I thought had the world at 661 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 4: my hands in my life if it's just changing, and 662 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 4: that was crushing right. So here I am thinking I'm 663 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 4: going to play ten, twelve, fifty years, fifteen years, have 664 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 4: a Hall of Fame career. To now my career is 665 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 4: being challenged by this injury. And then you recover from that, 666 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 4: and you go on and you have another injury. Then 667 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 4: you've come from that, you have another one, so you 668 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 4: just now you got to circumstance where you got to 669 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 4: figure some things out. So I all that have to say, 670 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 4: I think as I've gotten older, and I'm able to 671 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 4: appreciate just the time that I've had anyway, getting up 672 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 4: to forty nine soon to be fifty year old man 673 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 4: and all the ups and downs and appreciate those lessons 674 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 4: within that and be able to share those Like you know, 675 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 4: I had everything you really I could have. I could 676 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 4: have done anything I wanted and I could have sat 677 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 4: and done anything. But I had to transform myself. I 678 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 4: had to reinvent myself. I had to find another way. 679 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 4: I had to find a new passion. Chose to yeah, 680 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 4: and I chose to did and And I think that's 681 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 4: the the key element is what I tried to express, 682 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 4: not just the kids, but even adults, cause I've had 683 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 4: I've had adults after I've done keynotes and tell me 684 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 4: it's like, man, I needed to hear this today because 685 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 4: I've been in this funk like what do I do? 686 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 4: And just then the time is short and if if 687 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 4: it's the most viable ascid we have. And and I'm 688 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 4: starting to understand that more and more as I get older. 689 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 4: And my mom used to say that all the time 690 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 4: and said appreciate it, cause time goes by fast, and 691 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 4: as you get older, you understand that sentiment so much 692 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 4: more than when I was twenty four or twenty five 693 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 4: and I thought my world, my life was over cause 694 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 4: I was rehabbing the knee and it was a serious need. 695 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:38,959 Speaker 3: It was it was. 696 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 4: It threaded my career at twenty five years old after 697 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 4: I just like you said, sup, even coming up yard 698 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 4: short in the Super Bowl, had a hundred yard game. 699 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 4: I literally had a office coordinator finally come to me, 700 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 4: Mike Commendinger. 701 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 2: I loved. 702 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 4: Mike come up to me, said get ready, I'm coming. 703 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 4: You're gonna feature you. You're gonna be my guy. And 704 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 4: then I got hurt and then Derek Mason became the guy. 705 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 4: So it just you know, that's a good friend of mine. 706 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 4: So it wasn't for me. That wasn't my destiny. That 707 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 4: was his destiny. And I'm happy for him because he 708 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 4: went and had a borderline Hall of Fay career. 709 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: Oh he may be a Hall of Yeah as we 710 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: wrap up a lot of words describe you, the charismatic, talented, insightful, 711 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: but the one that really jumps out to me from 712 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: the time I met you to this moment now, you're an. 713 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 2: Extremely grateful person. 714 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: You were always an extremely grateful person as you translate 715 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: that to where you are now. Is that one of 716 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: the big things that got you through the good times, 717 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 1: which we know good times can get you in trouble 718 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: too as much as bad times can. That grateful nature 719 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: in what you do that you're able to share with 720 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: the students that centennial and the teachers and everybody in 721 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: this community that you work with. 722 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think, man again, I want to speak around 723 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 4: things like that. One of the things I talk about 724 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 4: is leading with and the g and that grit stands 725 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 4: for grace and being gracious. To your point, I think 726 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 4: I was fortunate enough to have skill to be drafted 727 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 4: and play talented enough to play in the next football league, 728 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 4: which in retrospect, there's only fifteen hundred jobs every year, right, 729 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 4: and it's the turnover rate is about thirty to forty 730 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 4: percent of those fifteen hundred jobs. So keep that in 731 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 4: mind when you're thinking like that guy sucks, no he's not. 732 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 4: He's there's only fifteen hundred of those jobs. He's on 733 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 4: that roster. He's pretty good, like right, and the turnover 734 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 4: rows is different, then that's different. Then you need to 735 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 4: get him cut. But anyway, and to be able to 736 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 4: uh be have one of those jobs for the stend 737 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 4: of the time that I had, and I just appreciate it. 738 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 4: I think even when I was going through the stuff 739 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 4: silently by myself, where I was down in myself and 740 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 4: not thinking I was worthy of the pick or whatever 741 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 4: I was going through personally at that time, I still 742 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 4: was like, man, I'm I get to play in the NFL. 743 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I can still remember my first time going 744 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 4: to Lambo, going to Soldier Field, going to Irving, Texas, 745 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 4: going to Atlanta. I'm trying to think, Man, I can 746 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 4: just I remember those moments. I'm like, man, I used 747 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 4: to watch so and so on this going to San 748 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 4: Francisco and playing the candlestick and the dirt infield, going 749 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 4: to Oakland playing in the dirt infield, and the sitting 750 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 4: there thinking like dang, oh, Jerry. 751 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 3: Rice is on the other side. 752 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 4: Oh man, that's Emmitt Smith, And just like, man, these 753 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 4: are guys I grew up watching and you know, then 754 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 4: you have to bring yourself back down and they had 755 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 4: to go perform, and so I just never, ever, I 756 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 4: don't feel like I ever got so big on myself 757 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 4: that I thought that I was bigger than the moment 758 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 4: or bigger than the game. So even now when I 759 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 4: talk about the U Cate miracle, I truly enjoy hearing 760 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 4: people's stories because that's I think that's special to me. 761 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 4: I almost want to write a book just on that alone. 762 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 4: But I think now I just because I see the joy, 763 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 4: like I mentioned before, when I watch it on the highlights, 764 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 4: I watched the crowd, I watched the people, I watched 765 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 4: the faces. I watched the cameraman. Like I just met 766 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 4: one of the not too long ago. He's like, yeah, 767 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 4: well he was in a picture, but he's a cameraman. 768 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 4: But he's in one of the pictures of me as 769 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 4: I'm crossing the goal line, and sure enough, there he is, 770 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 4: like that is him. And now he's a little older 771 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 4: like me, little grayer and the whole nine. But you 772 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 4: get the gist of it all. And so yeah, man, 773 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 4: I appreciate you saying that. I think if I can 774 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 4: instill anything in kids. Man, It's just be gracious in 775 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 4: these moments, in this time. And I tell my teachers 776 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 4: all the time, the most valuable asset we have is 777 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 4: our time. So just appreciate those moments in what we 778 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 4: have because tomorrow's not I promised. 779 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: We are thankful for your time today, for the Franklin 780 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: Carris Endowment. Thank you for coming here and for sharing 781 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: what is your amazing story that we are so thankful, 782 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: continues Kevin. 783 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 5: Dice to thank you, Hey Titans fans. With a Kroger 784 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 5: Boost membership, you'll score big with double fuel points, free delivery, 785 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 5: and lots more. 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Thank 804 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: you again to the Reverend Doctor Brian Brooks and Franklin 805 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: First United Methodist Church for allowing us to share that 806 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,959 Speaker 1: on this special edition of the OTP. The Music City 807 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: Miracle is twenty five years old and it has changed 808 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: many lives, including mine. I'll always be appreciative of how 809 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: that play gave me the opportunity to get to know 810 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: so many Titans fans who chose to embrace Titan's radio 811 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: and me. I'll never be able to say thank you 812 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: enough to the great Titans fans. And of course, the 813 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: play forever bonded me with Kevin Dyson. He went from 814 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: being a player that I covered to a friend that 815 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: I greatly admire. I hope you coun sense that in 816 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: the conversation that you just saw I Mike Keith. Thanks 817 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: for joining us for this twenty fifth anniversary of the 818 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: Music City Miracle. 819 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 2: Oh t PE.