1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: There's loud going on in the NFL. Giants have an 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: interim coach Eagles. AJ Brown has all the leverage. Didn't 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: trade him after the Super Bowl? Didn't trade him at 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: the trade deadline? Well, AJ Brown knows he got the leverage. 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: Now they're stuck with him. What's to do in San 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: Francisco with Mac Jones? He's under contract with the Niners. 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: They'd have to trade him. But if Dante More doesn't 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: come out after Mendoza, there's four teams in the top 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: eight nine that need a quarterback. All of these questions. 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Albert Brier joining us live Monday morning. Quarterback, Let's start 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: a J Brown? Did Philly can seriously think? Did they 19 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: seriously consider moving him at the deadline? Because there was 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: noise in drama. There's more after it, but there were 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: some before it. 22 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 3: No I mean, I think they may consider doing it 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 3: after this season, but based on where they are and 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: how leverage they are to win in the here and 25 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: the now. They're defending a championship. This is what they 26 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: signed up for. They knew what they signed up for. 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: And this is honestly one of Nick Sirianni's strengths is 28 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 3: being able to handle and manage egos. It's one of 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 3: the reasons why they could afford to take Jalen Carter 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: ninth overall when some teams had him off their boards. 31 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 3: And it's why you can acquire a player like this 32 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 3: who wasn't always perfect in Tennessee either. So you know, 33 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: I think the Eagles long ago made the decision they 34 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 3: were going to ride it out this year with AJ Brown, 35 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: and you know, went past the trade deadline without much 36 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: thought of moving him. Could you get to the offseason 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: and could things change? Then they certainly could, Colin. I mean, 38 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: that's when you have the wherewithal to actually replace him 39 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: on the roster, which would have been difficult to do 40 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 3: in season. And we'll see what his value would be. 41 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: That's a factor too here. I mean, he's going to 42 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: be twenty nine years old, He's got, you know, some 43 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 3: chronic knee issues that it was part of the reason 44 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: why Tennessee traded him in the first place, and so like, 45 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: I don't think you'd expect to get back for him 46 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: what you traded for him, you know, a few years ago. 47 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 3: So I certainly I think that'd be on the table 48 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: in the offseason. 49 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 4: But it wasn't. You know, it wasn't last week. 50 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: We were talking about this with Mac Jones earlier. They're 51 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: in no hurry to being pretty back. Max had a 52 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: really good season, three three hundred yard games without Ricky Parasol, 53 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: without Brandon Aiyuk. I can see Minnesota if JJ McCarthy 54 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: plays out in the season and they don't feel right 55 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: and they're like they do in Indianapolis and go get 56 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: somebody they like in the league. This is how Darnold 57 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: and Baker and Daniel Jones' career has been resurrected. That 58 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: teams are like, we just there may be one quarterback 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: in the draft we like, we can't get him, Let's 60 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: go with something we know. 61 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 5: I don't know. 62 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: I think Mac Jones it's our next reclamation project. 63 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 6: What do you think the Niners do well? 64 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 3: It's interesting you bring that up call because there are 65 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 3: some teams that are already looking at the idea of, like, 66 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: you know, what we do in the off season, and 67 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 3: could there be another Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Daniel Jones, 68 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: Gino Smith type of story out there to go and 69 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 3: seize it pon, especially, like you said, with the draft 70 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 3: class maybe not looking like what people had hoped it 71 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: would be coming into the year. You know, Nuss Meyer 72 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: get gets benched in the middle of the Alabama game, 73 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 3: Drew Aller is hurt, right, like Lenora Sellers maybe going 74 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: back to school. Bernando Mendoza looks like he's going to 75 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: go high up, but he may be the only first 76 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: rounder at this point. 77 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 4: You know, we have to let those things play out. 78 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: But right now it does look like there's going to 79 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: be more teams needing quarterbacks that are going to be 80 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: available in the first round of the draft, And so 81 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: you look at these reclamation projects and I think the 82 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: Niners would look at the idea of moving him to 83 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: get some draft capital because they have. 84 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 4: To get younger and they won't be the only one. 85 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: You mentioned Minnesota, you know, potentially looking that could be 86 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: one of the teams that's looking for. 87 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 4: One of those reclamation projects. 88 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 7: You know. 89 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 4: I think mac Jones is in that category. 90 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: Some teams have looked at the idea, could Kyler Murray 91 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: be available after the year, Could to a toungue of 92 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: Belwa be available after the year. I think there are 93 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: gonna be teams on both sides this coin. They are 94 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: gonna be teams that are gonna be looking at a 95 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: player on the roster and say, maybe we've, you know, 96 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: reached the end of the road with this player, maybe. 97 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 4: We can get something for him. 98 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: And I think on the other end of the ledger, 99 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: you are going to have teams that are going to 100 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: be looking to see if they can find their own 101 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 3: version of Daniel Jones, Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold. 102 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: So I was thinking about I mentioned this that not 103 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: all coaches that get fired are bad coaches. 104 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy. 105 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: The two examples I have used to comp Sean McDermott 106 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: are Chuck Knox and Marty Schottenheimer. Excellent, but they would 107 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: not they didn't win enough in the postseason. They were 108 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: seen as conservative guys. They get to the postseason. Chuck 109 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: Knox could turn the Seahawks around, the Rams around. Marty 110 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: did the Chargers. But eventually people you start winning those games, 111 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: they want postseason success. So I've said I feel mcder 112 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: is now our Chuck Knox. Nobody dispute you can coach, 113 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: but there are holes on this offense and Tampa. Let's 114 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: say Tampa goes into Buffalo. 115 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 6: This weekend and wins. 116 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think the GM is safe and McDermott 117 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: is right bo that Miami game. If you went home 118 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: and lost to Tampa, I it's gonna get really uncomfortable. 119 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: Is there a hot seat with McDermott or is this 120 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: just media talk thousands of miles away from Buffalo and 121 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on. 122 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: I think for right now it's just media talk, right like. 123 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: But I would say that having a quarterback of the 124 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: magnitude of Josh Allen, who I mean has probably been 125 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 3: the best player in the league over the last two years, 126 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: does amp up the pressure on everybody to get it done. 127 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: And you know there's a feeling like if you keep 128 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: knocking in the door and you can't quite get there, 129 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: then do you have to look at something else to 130 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 3: give yourself a spark. I don't think anybody like you said, 131 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: would argue with the job that Sean McDermott and Brandon 132 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 3: Bean have done. 133 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 4: That they've gone to the playoffs in seven of eight years. 134 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: Considering where they where Buffalo was when they got there, 135 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 3: it's pretty remarkable. Six playoff years in a row, five 136 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: AFCAS titles in a row. So, like I think you 137 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: take into account everything they've accomplished. I'm going to give 138 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 3: you another comp here that I think is probably apt 139 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: in this case, Tony Dungee in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 140 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: And if you go back and you look at the 141 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: mid nineties, right, that Buccaneers team that Dongee took over 142 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 3: was a sorry outfit, right like one of the doormats 143 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: in all of sports. Almost like you had to be 144 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: there to know how bad that was, to remember what 145 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: that was. They were the laughing stock of the NFL. 146 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: Tony Dungee gets there, he gets them up to level ground. 147 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,119 Speaker 3: I think they made the playoffs four times in five years, 148 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: went to an NFC title game, and they kept. 149 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 4: Knocking on the door and knocking on the door. 150 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 3: And as they went, Warren Sapp and Derek Brooks and 151 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: Ronde Barber and John Lynch were getting older, and eventually 152 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: it got to the point where he needs somebody to 153 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: put us over the top. It didn't mean Tony Dungee 154 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: couldn't coach. But you remember what happened. 155 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 4: At the end of a one. 156 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: They started to flirt with Bill Parcells, that didn't work out. 157 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: They trade for John Gruden, they won a super Bowl 158 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: the next year. Can argue whether or not that was 159 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: the right move for the long term, but it did 160 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: get them a championship in the short term. So that's 161 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: the one that I think of when I'm thinking of 162 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: this situation again, Like, I don't think there's any hot 163 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: seat there now. We don't know how the rest of 164 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: the year is going to play out. So if Buffalo 165 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: over to somehow missed the playoffs, which I don't think 166 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: is going to happen, to be clear, then I think 167 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: you start to hear a little bit more of that 168 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: based on where they are and based on the urgency 169 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: that's created by having a player of the magnitude Allen. 170 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 171 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a em Pacific. 172 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 8: Fox Sports Radio was taking over YouTube and you can 173 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 8: be a part of it. 174 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 7: Jed. 175 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 8: Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio if 176 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 8: that subscribe button and smash that notification bill and catch 177 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 8: all the videos from your favorite shows. 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Minnesota's got a JJ McCarthy issue. 186 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: The you know, the Bears are surging and appear to 187 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: have you know, the next great young coach Stikeen and 188 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. And here's Matt Lafleur with an offense that 189 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: is lost. They can't run the ball, and he'd like 190 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: to they they lost craft, but I mean, just no identity. 191 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: Cleveland losses, Carolina losses, can't score again. It is I 192 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: don't I think it's absurd to question Matt Lafleur, but. 193 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 6: It is. 194 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: With it it always Matt. If your rival is surgeon 195 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: and you watch Chicago. What do you make of what's 196 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: happening the heat in Green Bay and Lafleur in company. 197 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there are a couple of reasons why 198 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 3: people are why people are bringing this up now. Number 199 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: one is a changing of the guard at the top 200 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: of the organization. Right, Mike Mark Murphy was the president 201 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: there for almost twenty years. He hired Matt Lafleur, he 202 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: retired over the summer, and Policy, who had been there before, 203 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: comes in as the team president. 204 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: They don't extend Lafleur. 205 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: Or the general manager, Brian Gudukunz, which naturally raises the 206 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 3: question like does the new team president, who extensively in 207 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: Green Bay is the owner? 208 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: Does he want to bring in his own people? So 209 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 4: that's number one. 210 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: The number two, You've got this group of young players 211 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 3: that you've built around. 212 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: It's Jordan Love, but it's also a lot of the other. 213 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: Guys around him that are right there in year three, 214 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: year four, year five, and this is when the rocket 215 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: ship should be taking off. And then you trade for 216 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: Micah Parsons, which only pushes the chip further into the 217 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 3: middle of the table. And so like there's that feeling 218 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: that this is you're all in year with Micah Parsons 219 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: coming over, with Jordan Love now in a fifty five 220 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: million dollar per year contract, and if you're not performing 221 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: to the standard, then you know, those questions naturally are 222 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: going to come up. New team president, big expenditure on 223 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: the quarterback, big expenditure on a defensive star. So like 224 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: of course that question is going to come up, like, 225 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 3: is this ed policies guy going forward? That said, I 226 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: think he is, you know, and I think if you 227 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: look at like the value that Matt Lafluor brought to 228 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: the franchise over you know, his early years when he 229 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 3: was managing the Aaron Rodgers mess, he was developing Jordan 230 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: Love in the background. He got Jordan Love ready to play. 231 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: There's a ton of value in what Matt Lafleur has accomplished. 232 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: So I think if this somehow goes the wrong way, 233 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: my guess would be there may be a staff shakeup. 234 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 3: There may be some new offensive coaches there, because I 235 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 3: think Jeff Athley's done a great job on the defensive 236 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 3: side of the ball. 237 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 4: But I'd be surprised if floor lined up gone. 238 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, finally, I know how this Mike Hofka thing is 239 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: gonna work is that the media is gonna like him 240 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: because he's friendly and smart. Jackson Darnal like him because 241 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: he played in the NFL quarterback end of the season 242 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: schedule for the Giants, the weakest part of their tough schedule, 243 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: the last four games. They may win a couple of them. 244 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: And by the way, he's not as bombastak or as 245 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: intense as as Dable, so the players will probably like him. 246 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: It's my substitute teacher, the interim coach. Everybody always loves him. 247 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: And then seventy five chance the Giants are like, you 248 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: know what, he's our guy. And I said this earlier. 249 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: Here's what works in New York Fatino Tory Coughlin, Parcell's 250 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: culture changers, where you put kind of a fortress around 251 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: your culture and it doesn't matter what the sport is. 252 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: Pat Riley Tims had a little bit of this. I 253 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: got an identity. It's a culture beyond just scheming. Yeah, 254 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't hire Bell. I would go Mike 255 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: McCarthy or Lane Kiffin. 256 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 6: What do you. 257 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: Make of I think this Kafka thing. I think I 258 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: called a GM. He said, Listen doesn't have much presence. 259 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: Smart guy, good guy, they're gonna like him, players are 260 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: going to like him. 261 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 6: How do you think this thing unfolds? 262 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: So I think you're right to feel like this is 263 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: a very real audition. Look, the big reason why they 264 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 3: fire Brian Davil when they did, and it's not a 265 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: Giants type of thing to do an insights season firing. 266 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 3: But it's the definition of insanity to do the same 267 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 3: thing over and over again and expect a different result. 268 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 4: They're two and eight for the third year in a row. 269 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: They haven't won consecutive games in almost two years, which 270 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 3: is pretty remarkable. And they had the blown leads, like 271 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: right like, so they had the big wins and they regress. 272 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: They had the big winner of the Chargers regress against 273 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: the Saints, they had the big win over the Eagles. 274 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 4: They have the blown lead the next week against Denver. 275 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 4: Then they have another blown lead against Chicago. So clearly 276 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 4: they're looking for a spark. 277 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 3: But the other thing they're looking for here is a 278 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 3: real evaluation of Kafka. And I would say this, I 279 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 3: would pay attention to the general manager's history. Okay, Joe 280 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: Shane was in Miami in twenty fifteen. 281 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 4: In twenty fifteen. 282 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 3: The Dolphins fired Joe Philbin four games into the year. 283 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 3: The interim coach there was Dan Campbell. By the end 284 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 3: of the year, Dan Campbell's hand picked coordinators were lou 285 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: Anarumo and Zach Taylor, and there was a feeling in 286 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: that building they had pretty good thing going. And then 287 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 3: they wind up saying, Nah, you know what, We're going 288 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 3: to go with Adam Gase. So look like I think 289 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: that there's They're going to cast a very wide net here. 290 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: That's their intention. They've done a lot of different things 291 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 3: over the last ten years. Right, They replaced Tom Kauflin 292 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 3: with the young, the young offensive assistant, Ben mcaduo. That 293 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 3: doesn't work. They bring in the retreat past Sherman, that 294 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: doesn't work. They bring in the CEO type Joe Judge, 295 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: that doesn't work. And then they go back to the 296 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 3: offensive assistant now Brian Dabon, and that doesn't work. So 297 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 3: they are going to cast a wide net and look 298 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: at a lot of different types of coaches. But look 299 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 3: at Joe Shane's history, and I just wonder with Joe, 300 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 3: is there a little bit of like a you know, 301 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: back in Miami ten years ago, maybe we should have 302 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 3: paid more attention to the interim coach because we had 303 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 3: a really good one in house in Dan Campbell. I 304 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: think that tells you what you know at least about 305 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: Mike Kaffkan getting a shot. And I'm saying he's going 306 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: to get the job, but I think he does get 307 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: a legitimate look. 308 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: Albert Breer, good stuff Monday Morning Quarterback, all sorts of 309 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: moving and shaking. Big NFL weekend, some real big swing games. 310 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: Good seeing Albert. 311 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 4: All right, thanks Colin. 312 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: I think the other thing that's fascinating, and I know 313 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: we're way early on this, but Mendoza for Indiana is 314 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: going to be the first quarterback. Taken a lot of 315 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: discussion now that Dante Moore stand at Oregon. That that 316 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm telling you Mac Jones is going to be Daniel Jones. 317 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: He's gonna be He's gonna be Baker Mayfield. Somebody's got 318 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: to go trade for that guy because Mac Jones is 319 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: spinning it without his number one or two receiver. 320 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 6: J Mack with the news, No tear on the news. 321 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News. 322 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 9: Seismic matchup tonight, Colin. On Thursday Night Football, the Jets 323 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 9: travel to New England. They were up to thirteen and 324 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 9: a half point underdogs. You'll see that some Jets money 325 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 9: showing up today. I don't know if that's dumb money 326 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 9: or what, but they're down to twelve and a half 327 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 9: No Garrett Wilson tonight. Obviously, this will be another platform 328 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 9: for Drake May to you know, show everybody that maybe 329 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 9: he's better than Jayden Daniels. And let's be real, there 330 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 9: is an MVP. Yeah, conversation for me. I'll be real, Colin. 331 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 9: I came on here like five weeks ago. I was like, 332 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 9: bet them to be the number one seed. I think 333 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 9: that's in play. And if they're the number one seed, 334 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 9: May we'll get a look. I don't think he'll win it, 335 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 9: but former North Carolina coach Mack Brown, who coached May, 336 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 9: said that he doesn't realize he's a superstar. 337 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: And you know it's everything. You know, it's very Herbert. 338 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: He's humble, big, big arm moves. I mean that was 339 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: the call up out college. He's the East Coast, justin Herbert, 340 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: and that's what he looks like. Remember Herbert's rookie year 341 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: when he broke it. He had like thirty touchdowns. Herbert 342 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: broke all those Rutgers. He had Shane Steichen as an 343 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. The team wasn't great, but he was same situation. 344 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: You get a veteran offensive coordinator, a smart offensive guy. 345 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: He's very much Herbert that You'll get an occasional ugly pick, 346 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: big moves, great deep ball thrower. There's nothing I don't like. 347 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 9: And humble reminder last year he did not start the 348 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 9: season at quarterback. 349 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 5: Gerrod Mayo, the former head. 350 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 9: Coach of the Patriots, is like, we're starting our best 351 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 9: quarterback and he. 352 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 5: Started the other guy, Colin Drake. May's really freaking good. 353 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not ready to go top five quarterback. 354 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 9: You know, I have Jalen Hurt cemented at five after 355 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 9: the Big four, but that sixth spot Stafford May, like, 356 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 9: you know, May's got to face some good teams. This 357 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 9: Jets defense is not great. You want to pick a 358 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 9: score here for tonight's. 359 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 6: Game, thirty to thirteen Patriots. 360 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 9: I don't want the Jets to win, obviously for draft status, 361 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 9: so I'll go twenty seven to nine. 362 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 5: New England Roles in a snoozer. 363 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 9: Next up, Colin, We've got more Chiefs of Broncos chatter. 364 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 9: This is obviously one of the best games of the weekend. 365 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 9: And now there's some concern about bo Nix. He has 366 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 9: not been great. I know he's your guy, Nicks. He's 367 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 9: been up and down. And here's Peyton, Actually here's Nick's 368 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 9: talking about. 369 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 6: His struggles. 370 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 10: Make this entertainment business a lot bigger than what it 371 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 10: is when we forget that. You know, everybody's just out 372 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 10: here having a good time, having fun, doing the best 373 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 10: they can. 374 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 11: But for me, it's it's quite simple. Really. I dot 375 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 11: all my social media. 376 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 10: I don't even have it, so unless somebody says it's 377 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 10: my face, I don't really hear it. 378 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 11: And nobody's ever bold enough to say it to your face. 379 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 6: I love that, you know, I mean that's probably smart, 380 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 6: you know. 381 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: It's I think the thing that's been disturbing the completion percentage. 382 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: I can live with a I can live with a 383 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: lot of these numbers. I can live with eighteen touchdowns, 384 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: eight interceptions. The completion percentage worries me because I thought 385 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: out of college he was a really accurate thrower, and 386 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: I always thought you gave up a little ceiling with him. 387 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 6: But he was a high floor guy. 388 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: But now the flora's dropped, so I don't get the 389 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: high ceiling and the flora's dropped, so it's troubling. I 390 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: think he'll play his way out of it. I got 391 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: to tell you, giving Denver over a field goal at 392 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: home with that defense, it's I mean again, I I'll 393 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: tell you right now, I'm not betting this that defense 394 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: at home. Bonick's been very good trailing and I get 395 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: the hook at a hard game for me to bet 396 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: against Denver. 397 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 5: He's got about almost twenty games. 398 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: Now, I said a week ago, I know I did. 399 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: I said, take Kansas City. But the closer we get 400 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: to this thing with ninety percent of the public on 401 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: Kansas City, now to. 402 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 6: Me, it's yeah. 403 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: I mean when he was an Oregon Banks staff, he 404 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: completed seven of his throws. So the one thing we 405 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: knew is, you know a lot of starts, super accurate, 406 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: and now he's lost that. 407 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 6: So it's like, wow, what's going on? 408 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 9: Yeah, No, Patrick Stirtan, Obviously this is a tough one, Colin. 409 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 9: There's twenty about twenty games of dataf you and I 410 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 9: include the playoffs on Knicks as an NFL quarterback and 411 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 9: to see defenses kind of bottle him up. Listen, if 412 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 9: heart Casey's been susceptible to the run. Jacksonville ran on 413 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 9: him with ETN Buffalo ran on him. I need to 414 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 9: see Harvey get loose. If Harvey's touching eighty yards ninety 415 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 9: yards in the fourth Denver will be live. But if 416 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 9: he's in the thirty forty to fifty range, they're cooked. 417 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 9: Final story, Colin and the staff loves this guy. Jameis Winston. 418 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 9: He is starting for the New York Giants. Somehow leap 419 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 9: frog Russell Wilson. Obviously, the media loves Jameis Winston. Social 420 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 9: media loves Jameis Winston. He's a little wacky, he's a 421 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 9: little silly. Here he is talking about his expectations for Sunday. 422 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 7: Almo fans. I'm gonna do my best, you know. Obviously 423 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 7: I'm gonna have fun, but I'm going to execute, uh, 424 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 7: have a surgical execution. Uh and just and just play ball, man, 425 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 7: Like this is something I've been doing since I've been 426 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 7: four years old, and now I just get to do it. 427 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 4: In the greatest city in the world. 428 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 7: I'm gonna be saying, what, my son, who's the greatest 429 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 7: city in the world. 430 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 11: Yeah, that's that's a Hamilton referencing. 431 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a little sholly. 432 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: But you know what, he's a nice guy and and 433 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: it's his career has been, uh, it's been. 434 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 6: You know, not all journeys are similar. 435 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 9: He's gonna he's gonna transition to media very well, right, 436 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 9: He'll he'll be a smash hit on one of these shows, 437 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 9: the Sunday Show, pregame, post game, whatever it is. You 438 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 9: think he's got any chance to beat up on this 439 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 9: Packers defense on Sunday at home Darius Slayton. 440 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 5: We're waiting to see if he plays. 441 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 9: If he does it, Oh boy, Jamie's got nothing on 442 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 9: the outside. 443 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like I like Green Bay. If I was 444 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: gonna include it, I'd take Green Bay. J Mickle the news. 445 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. Linew No, I. 446 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 6: Just made a decision. 447 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: I made a speaking of a surgical execution, I just 448 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: made an executive decision. I'm having a smashburger today. It's 449 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: a smash Burger day, and I'm messing around today. No, 450 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: I've been I've been doing good stuff. Red light therapy, 451 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: sit ups, you know, I've been to. 452 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 6: All that stuff, life therapy. 453 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 5: What I'm going to wait say more? 454 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 1: No, you know, I just I've been I've been healthy 455 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: long enough. It's it's not a charade, it's who I am. 456 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: But today I'm going smash burger. I. You know a 457 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: lot of people are anti red meat, anti beef, people 458 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: that I don't enjoy being around. 459 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 9: I was gonna say, Wow, you like hanging around vegans. 460 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 9: Not that there's anything wrong with that. 461 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 6: There's nothing wrong with that. 462 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: It's just I'm I'm going I made an executive decision. 463 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a little sideways today. 464 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 4: What are we doing? 465 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 5: Medium, medium, rare? 466 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 6: You know what you you bring it on, I'll just 467 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 6: I'll devour it. How's that? I'm not gonna get picky? 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As a third starter, third best starter, 483 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: you're a playoff team that co win a series. But 484 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: j Max said Austin Reeves top six domestic player. Okay, 485 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: so I'm not going to count ad, Jason Tatum, and Lebron. 486 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 9: Who are hurt Halliburton too, you can't count him. 487 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not going to So I won't count those. 488 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: I would take all four over him. So I'm not 489 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: going to count those four Halliburton, Lebron, a d and 490 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: Jason Tatum, and they're all better than Austin Reeves. So 491 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: here's the top tier guys that are active domestic that 492 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: he's absolutely not better than Anthony Edwards, Caid Cunningham. He's 493 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 1: not in the same class, Tyrese Maxie, Steph Curry, Jalen Brunson, 494 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: Jalen Brown, Devin Booker. That's seven guys active. He not 495 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: in that class, and he not close to Aunt or 496 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: Caid Cunningham. He not even close to those guys, or 497 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: Steph Curry for that matter. So here's the second tier 498 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: guys who every GM in the league would take over him, 499 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell, bam On a Bayou who's a very good 500 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: two way player, Kevin Durant, and Karl Anthony Towns. You 501 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: don't have to love him, he's offensively one of the 502 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: best domestic bigs we've had in fifteen years. 503 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 6: He's a great bang, a unbelievable store. 504 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: And then third tier dude have to be literally on 505 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: cough medication to take Austin Reeves over third tier Evan Mobley, 506 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: Jalen Williams or. 507 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 6: Powell Ban Carroll. 508 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: In fact, i'd put Bank Carroll above Karl Anthony Towns. 509 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: I'd move Towns to the third. So that's I have 510 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: fourteen active guys who are better, and I'm not gonna 511 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: count Tatum Halliburton, A dear lebron. 512 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 9: I just called a twenty second time out, So let's 513 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 9: rewind the tape. I did say he's top fifteen, which 514 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 9: puts him on the. 515 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 5: All Star team. 516 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 9: Then I got so excited in the live moment here 517 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 9: on TV, I said Austin Reeves top six this season. 518 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 9: He's top seven in points and assists. Okay, and we 519 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 9: could go side by said obviously Kate Cunningham, no doubt 520 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 9: about it. 521 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 4: You take him. 522 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 9: But the problem with the discussion, Colin is all those 523 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 9: Americans you named their number one options on their team. 524 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 4: Devin Booker is the. 525 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 5: Guy in famos think huh for a reason? 526 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 9: Well, I mean Austin Reeves was holding it down with 527 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 9: out putting up thirty and forty points per game. 528 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 5: I probably got a little excited. He's probably not to me. 529 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: Let me fill another guy in that I didn't count, 530 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: who's definitely a tier three guy, Amn Thompson Eran Thompson's 531 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: awesome every g. I mean, probably the best athlete in 532 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: the league. 533 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 9: But if Kevin Durant go's down and shengun go down, 534 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 9: is Iman Thompson leading the Rockets on an eight and 535 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 9: three surch No, because he can't create the way that 536 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 9: Austin Reeves can. 537 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 5: And I will point out and the staff wants me to. 538 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 9: Let you know that you keep busting Austin Reeves chops 539 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 9: for getting worked by Ant in the playoffs. 540 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 5: He did. He was also playing hurt. 541 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 9: He had, like Brock Perdy and Joe Burrow, a major 542 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 9: toe injury and was not one hundred percent. 543 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 6: You can look it up. 544 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 5: It's well documented. So Reeves was playing a little wounded 545 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 5: and Aunt went. 546 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: After I always the way I look at NBA players 547 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: is I look at you. 548 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 6: Are you a one on a championship team? And there's 549 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 6: not many of those. 550 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 5: There's not many at all. 551 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: No, though, that's Steph Lebron, Kobe Shack, Magic Bird, that 552 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: is rarefied air. I mean, we don't even think ant 553 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: Is Jokic is. I think Wemby will be. I've argued 554 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: Jason Tatum, I'm not sure about it. I think he 555 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: is okay, but I'm saying, okay, that is a superstar. 556 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 6: We know Austin Reeves, isn't that? 557 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: A two is an all star level player that is 558 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: usually dominant. It's something Jalen Brown's a two. Anthony Davis, 559 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: a dominant defender, is a two. I don't think Austin 560 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: Reeves is that okay. So he doesn't have dominant physical traits. 561 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: He's not big and strong. He's a great shock career. 562 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: A three is can take over games in moments. Now, 563 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: that's your argument. That's Klay Thompson in his prime. That's 564 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: Draymond Green, you know, catalyst defensive. That's where you can 565 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: argue Austin Reeves is at he's in that three spot 566 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: where he's not a superstar. He's not a dominant physical specimen. 567 00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 5: Two. 568 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: What is he Clay Thompson in his prime? Now, Clay 569 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: was a much better defensive player. Different I'd argue he's 570 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: a low end that or a super high end four. 571 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: Derek White, to me, is like the highest four in 572 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: the league. 573 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 9: So a Clay comp is fascinating because he was a 574 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 9: catch and shoot guy. Remember, but he was an elite points, 575 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 9: elite defensive player. Yes, he was a superstar laitiate like all. 576 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 9: I don't know if can Reeves get to that level. 577 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 9: I don't know the answer. He's in his prime and 578 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 9: he's ex to Luca. So Clay was alongside Steph Clear. 579 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 9: Now you are now agreeing with me. 580 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: He's not a superstar and nor is he a multiple 581 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: time All Star. You could argue he's a really low three, 582 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: which he is kind of a liability on the defensive end. 583 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: He's not a super athlete. He's not intimidated. Like I'll 584 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: give you a player who I think is a three, 585 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: but not a huge score. I think Aaron Gordon for 586 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: Denver is one of the best threes in the league. 587 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: He's awesome, unbelievable length, strength, can score, clutch defense. But 588 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: he's not He's not one of those guys that everybody 589 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: you have to really like basketball and watch him. I 590 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: think Jalen Williams is arguably the best three in the 591 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: league for OKC JW. 592 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 11: Yeah, he's good. 593 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 9: Jay, let me ask you, so, let's go back to 594 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 9: Clay Clay forget the championship, just him personally. 595 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 5: He made All NBA twice in his career. 596 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 4: Third team. 597 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 9: Will Austin Reeves be All NBA twice in his NBA career? 598 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: No West, no now, no chance, no huh interesting Reeves 599 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: is twenty seven. 600 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's just starting his prime. 601 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, but he's not going to get more athletic. 602 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 5: This is what he is for at least three or 603 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 5: four more years. He's going to be a great athlete. 604 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 6: Right. This is what he is. What you're seeing is 605 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 6: what he is. 606 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 5: Now you think this is the best he's going to be? 607 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 6: Yes? 608 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: Yes, And I also think he's better with JJ Reddick 609 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: than Darvin Ham because JJ Redicks an offensive player. It's 610 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: like Ruey Ruey is what he is. JJ Reddick will 611 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: make him the best version of Ruie. But he's not 612 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: a great defensive player. He's a little inconsistent. Austin Reeves 613 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: can have stinker games, But I mean Austin is either 614 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: a low end three or a great four. That's a 615 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: that's a terrific player. That's that's Derek White of the Celtics. 616 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 6: Tremendous player. 617 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 9: Okay, I got excited. I'm not gonna lie the top six. 618 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 9: In hindsight, we have one of the guys on the 619 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 9: show text me, Jay Mack, you've lost your mind, you know? 620 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 9: And I okay, I got excited. I dressed up as 621 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 9: Austin Reeves on The show Man. 622 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 5: You could tell. I'm a fan. I like the guy. 623 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 5: I like underdogs. 624 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 6: I listen a lot of people like underdogs. 625 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 9: Now you like front runners, you like the big superstars, 626 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 9: number one picks. 627 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 5: Those are the guys you rock with. 628 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: Now an interesting guy, a comp what's Zach Levine? So 629 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: now I like, yeah, you like him? Alaw, he's a gunner. 630 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: Of course you do. So my take is my take 631 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: is I there's an argument. I take Austin Reeves over 632 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: Zach Levine. I do think Austin is more of a 633 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: winning player. I also think he initiates com untact and 634 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: gets the line. He's got zero. I mean, you know, 635 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: undrafted guy zero ego. That's an interesting Zach's the much 636 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: better athlete, much better athlete and just just longer, quicker. 637 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: But Austin Reeves doesn't need the ball. I mean, Austin's 638 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: one of those guys that could be the third or 639 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,959 Speaker 1: fourth scoring option and be content with it. I mean, 640 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: he already said I don't need a lot of money. 641 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: So there are things about his psychology. I do like 642 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: he's a team guy. Austin's a team guy. 643 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 9: Yeah, historically Joe Dumars or Austin Reeves, Joe Dumarsar. 644 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 5: Is a good defender. He's a better offensive player. 645 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, Joe dumars Okay, yeah. 646 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's closed. Reason might pass 647 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 5: him here in a year or two. 648 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: You ever notice you like all these chuckers, You like 649 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: all these guys that literally can't even get their feet planted. 650 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 6: Falls out for sure. 651 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 5: Big championship game tonight you want. 652 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 4: To, I'm in a live stream it for you. 653 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 6: No, not, no, I don't. 654 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: Your best best wishes, though, were your often headband gun show. 655 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: All right, we're done for the day. We I've had 656 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: about enough. 657 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 6: That's about all. 658 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get my smashburger. In fact, I'm not 659 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: even waiting to get home. Got a calf downstairs. Wow, 660 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: go to that cafe bang. 661 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 6: Got to live. 662 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's getting cold out here. Never know what's 663 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: gonna happen day to day in life. You just got 664 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: to go make stuff happen. So I'm getting to the 665 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: free throw line. Let's just put it that way. I'm 666 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: initiating offense to the day with the with a smashburger. 667 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 5: You and Caleb Williams, Hey. 668 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: Don't laugh. You start looking at that. NFC North Bears 669 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: beat the Vikings this weekend. 670 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 6: They're a walk card team. Absolutely no que. I mean 671 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 6: this weekend there's like six games like that. 672 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jags, Chargers, Denver, Kansas City