1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Radio Welcome Together Everything. Oh wow, Hello everybody. Welcome to 3 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: a day of the week, of a month of a year, 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: and that year is the worst year Ever, which is 5 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: whatever year you are in right now. My name is 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: Cody Johnston. Oh that was so good. Cody. You didn't 7 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: even plan that. You just went with it, just open 8 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: your mouth and a great intro came out. I'm Katie Stole. 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: I wrote your compliment for me, but thank you you did. 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: I am a different persons, were all three separate but 11 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: connected to different folks. Internet ineffable strings of personal solidarity, 12 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: emotional complimentarity. Also it's true complimentarity award. It might be, 13 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: it might be, it should be, and will be, it 14 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: can be. And a Moira Rose. I'm guessing you guys 15 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: haven't seen ships Creek. Uh, she's wonderful and she also 16 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: the great test is low. I didn't do a good 17 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: made up word. She's great at making up words. I'm not. 18 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: We have not yet started the show, really, Oh, I 19 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: beg to differ. I think it started and ended by 20 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: everybody piece out signing off. UM So today, Hi, we're 21 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: talking about the news that most people were probably talking about, 22 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: which is the result of the chauvin trial. Um, the 23 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: murder of George Floyd for the Chauvinists. Yeah, that was good. 24 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: That sounds like that sounds like a title right there. 25 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: I had that one in the fucking in the chamber 26 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: for I don't know months, But I didn't want to 27 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: tell it that he got convicted because it was going 28 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: it would be import in poor taste if he got convicted, 29 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: or I just wouldn't feel like joking. But now I 30 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: do feel a little bit like joking. It's time. It's 31 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: time to smile a bit about the news. Um, do 32 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: you mind if we use that at the title, Sophie, 33 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: let's use it as the title if you chauvinists, something 34 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: like that day. Um, he did it, he was convicted. 35 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: He was convicted. Was they convicted? The ship out of him? Um? 36 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: For the murder that he committed in public with cameras. 37 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those The real lesson here 38 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 1: is that in America, if you murder a man over 39 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: the course of nine minutes while a number of people 40 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: filmed from multiple camera angles, and then millions of people 41 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: take to the streets to protest that murder, and burned 42 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: down sizeable chunks of a number of cities. Then and 43 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: eventually you will see justice if you are a cop. Yeah, 44 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: that's all it takes. That's all it took. Let's all 45 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: feel hopeful that that's all it took. The world. It 46 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: could be better, especially since a lot of us, even 47 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: though that was the case, we're waiting for them to 48 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: not do the right thing. Oh yeah, I think we're 49 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: all surprised. I was kind of expecting. I was after 50 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: after his colleagues kind of turned on him, right when 51 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: the blue wall of silence broke, I was like, Okay, 52 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: he's getting convicted on something, um, because his his his 53 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: fucking supervisor wasn't going to go testify against him if 54 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: there wasn't a wide consensus that this motherfucker among cops, 55 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: that this guy had to go away for the good 56 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: of the job. Um. But I kind of expected him 57 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: to get like the manslaughter and found innocent on the 58 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: I certainly didn't expect him to be found guilty of 59 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: murder too, Yeah, which is great, Like he did murder 60 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: a guy. Yeah all three Yes, I would agree with you, 61 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: Cody for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Watching it after the first 62 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: one was red I was like okay for the for 63 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: the other two, yeah, so it was, although after the 64 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: first one got red, got red was red. Uh. I 65 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: did feel a little wild flame of hope. I was like, 66 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: is this going to happen? And it did? And I 67 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: didn't go ahead, Robert, Oh no, I mean I know, continue, Katie. 68 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I was really just wrapping up that same thought. 69 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: I do that a lot, is Um, I'll start a 70 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: thought and just kind of hope that the words come 71 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 1: out in a way that makes sense. So, yeah, you know, 72 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: you can't know when words will or won't happen. That's 73 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: not how words work. But I think what we're all 74 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: saying is it was an emotional verdict. I mean, I 75 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: mean you could just feel people even if you weren't 76 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: around anyone. Oh god, yeah, no, I mean I I 77 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: teared up, like I got it. I was on a run, um, 78 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: and I made sure that I was out running with 79 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: the sun shining on me because I didn't want to. 80 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: I was kind of bracing for the worst and I 81 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: didn't want to be like sitting at my desk in 82 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: an office when I found out that he was going 83 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: to get to go home or something. Um, And I 84 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: I pulled up Twitter to refresh the feed, and before 85 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: the feed refreshed, I just saw um that the guilty 86 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: on all three counts or some variant of that was trending, 87 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: and it was like, oh my god, Um, okay, okay, 88 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: and yeah. Then I then I cried um because it 89 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: was you know, I watched so many people get hurt 90 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 1: so badly, not just because darre Ck Chauvin murdered George Floyd, 91 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: but that was the inciting incident too, a lot of stuff, um, 92 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: and seeing that at least, at fucking least, he is 93 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: not going back to his house, he is not going 94 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: handcuffed and walked out after the verdict was read with 95 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: incredibly with his bail revoked. Yeah, and after all of 96 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: the scary ship that's been happening in Minneapolis this week, 97 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: with the fucking National Guard being brought in and just 98 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: like this, the sheer amount of police in Philadelphia them 99 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: calling out the Guard before any protests even started, like 100 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: just to in the midst of all this police state 101 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: bullshit to see confirmation that yes, there is you can 102 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: go too far, like a cop can go too far 103 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: for the system to back it. And it takes again 104 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: millions of people throwing their bodies into a meat grinder. 105 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: But there there we found the line. Now do we 106 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: feel hopeful that this line being established helps acts as 107 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: a deterrent in the future. Um. I have to think 108 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: it scares them to some extent. I mean, and I 109 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: think as much as the actual I don't know, Like 110 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: it's it's one thing. They certainly haven't slowed up on 111 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: murdering people. UM. So it's it's too early to say, Like, 112 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: clearly the mass nationwide protests didn't well, I don't know, 113 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: a lot of cops have been quitting since last year, 114 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: and I think that those are the ones who could 115 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: be deterred. Are the ones who are like, well, funk it, 116 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: this ain't this, ain't this, ain't me no more. Um, 117 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: I have to think. So, I don't think protests were 118 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: ever going to deter the monsters like Chauvin, right, Um, 119 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: the people who are are out there looking to cause 120 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: harm as opposed to just kind of callous to the 121 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: harm that they cause. I I would say, I think 122 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: it has to make some of those guys think twice. 123 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: I would suspect if they're not idiots, they have to 124 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: be looking at Chauvin and being like well, fuck, UM, 125 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: I at least have to be more careful when they're 126 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: when I'm out in public and broad fucking daylight and 127 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: there's a camera in my face. UM. I don't know 128 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: how much you know. We've talked about this in the 129 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: episodes of Bastards we did on police training on on 130 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: David Grossman. So much of their training folcuses around not 131 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: hesitating to use deadly force. Um. And in fact, there's 132 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: even cases of There was a North Carolina cop in 133 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen who got fired because, um, he 134 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: came to the scene of a suicide call guy with 135 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: a gun. Uh. The guy had a gun, but as 136 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: the cops said, like I knew immediately he was not 137 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: a threat to anyone. He was in mental distress and 138 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: the guy the cop tried started talking with the guy 139 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: to try to talk him down. Two other cops arrived 140 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: and shot him dead. Um. And then the cop who 141 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: had been trying to talk to this guy down got fired. 142 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: Um because he hadn't shot and he was supposed to. 143 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: He did sue that apartment in one like dollars. But 144 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: that that's I make that point because so much of 145 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: why there's two different kinds of police killings. Right, there's 146 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: the police killings that are people are trained to do 147 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: to react way too with way too much deadly force 148 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: m because they believe it will protect them or because 149 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: they've been taught that that's how you protect yourself when 150 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: your fellow officers. And then there's the police violence that's 151 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: like a guy like Chauvin, where he just some of 152 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: them just want to murder people and have a badge 153 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: while they do it. Um. I think I'm hoping that 154 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: the people who just want to murder will this will 155 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: dissuade them at least from committing those crimes in the open. 156 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: They have to be more careful now, I think is 157 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: the verdict. But I don't know how this affects the cops. 158 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: The majority of police killings are not guys with a 159 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: murder bonner. They're people who have been taught all that 160 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: matters is whether or not you're scared, and if you're scared, 161 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: you can kill people. UM. I don't know how much 162 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: this impacts that, you know, because this was not that 163 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: Chauvin was not afraid for his life. You know, he 164 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: had his knee on a guy's neck for nine minutes. 165 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: It's not a dude, sees a kid in the dead 166 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: of night, there was gunfire earlier. He shoots the kid. 167 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: Turns out the kid was unarmed. That's a different kind 168 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: of killing. I'm not saying it's it's more acceptable, but 169 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: it's a different thing. And I don't know that this 170 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: verdict will make that less likely, right. Um. It's also 171 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: just sobering when you look at the fact that I mean, 172 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: obviously this is a win. The majority of cops just 173 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: are not convicted for the things that you know, as 174 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: you just laid out. Yeah, if there is a way 175 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: to wiggle out of the verdict, they will find it. 176 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: You know. It's it's part of the issue was that 177 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: there was a high profile case. It needs to be 178 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: high profile case in order to two Yeah, have this happened? Um, 179 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: I mean I think part of it is they fucking 180 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: lit the third They the third precinct down. I don't 181 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: think that's a non factor in why this went this 182 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: way at all. Yeah, and uh, Dante right being killed 183 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: last week ten miles away. I mean, all eyes are 184 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: on this, I mean this case, this trial, this area, 185 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: the city, and I mean this does at the stage 186 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: for was her name Kim Cooper, And Yeah, I'm sorry 187 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: to all that Kim Cooper's out there, Um, you know, 188 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: for what will happen with her trial? UM yeah, I 189 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: mean it's incredible that he's been the verdict came out, 190 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: but it's obviously not lost on any of us that 191 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: this is only the seventh on duty cop to be 192 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: convicted of murder out of fifteen thousand police killings since 193 00:11:52,440 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: two thousand and five. I did want to read. I'll 194 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: give credit where it's due. Um. Jake Tapper tweeted this, Uh, 195 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: it was the original. Yeah, it was the original press 196 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: release from the Minneapolis Police after George Floyd's murder. Um. 197 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: And it's it's real interesting to read. Just in terms 198 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: of thinking any time in the future you see a 199 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: press release from the police, think about how accurate this 200 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: one was, and and apply that to whatever press release 201 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: you see come out of this. Yeah. Um, Minneapolis. On 202 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: Monday evening, shortly after eight pm, officers from the Minneapolis 203 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: Police Department responded to the block of Chicago Avenue South 204 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: on a report of a forgery in progress. Officers were 205 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a 206 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: blue car and appeared to be under the influence two 207 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: officers arrived and located the suspect and Mayle, believed to 208 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: be in his forties, in his are he was ordered 209 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: to step from his car. After he got out, he 210 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect 211 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. 212 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin 213 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: County Medical Center by ambulance, where he died a short 214 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: time later. At no time were weapons of any type 215 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: used by anyone involved in this incident. Your knees are 216 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: a weapon, yeah, I mean, and also there's no talk 217 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: about that. There's no there's not even to talk about restraint. 218 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: Just officers were able to get the subject in handcuffs. 219 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: After that he was transported to you know, I mean, 220 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: and you're so right speaking of the thirteen year old 221 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: who was murdered. I mean, they outlined in their statement 222 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: saying that the suspect was holding a gun when he 223 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: was not in fact holding a gun. Uh talked about 224 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: us on even More News last week. But it is 225 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: gutting to watch that video see that hands up, um, 226 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: don't want the shooting to day in Columbus, Ohio. Yeah, 227 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: it's sixteen year old girl. A fifteen year old girl shot. Um, 228 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: which happened. I think the shooting happened while they were 229 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: reading the during Yeah, in Columbus, Ohio. Um. And then 230 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: the other police statement, what what what were they saying 231 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: the NYPD this weekend, something about, uh, somebody through a 232 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: molotov cocktail out the window during a traffic stop when 233 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: it was like a cup of water, cup of water. 234 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: But that was that was also an official statement from 235 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: the police. So you know, it's fun. Should we talk 236 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: about some other kind of responses, like maybe Nancy Pelosi's 237 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: Oh sweet Christ, Yeah, someone happened in front of them. Yeah, yeah, 238 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: I can, I can, I can fu. I can play 239 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: the audio, I can s a yeah, we should have 240 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: the audio in here. Here's Nancy Pelosi's beautiful face. Let's roll. 241 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: Thank you, George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice, 242 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: for being there to call out to your mom. How 243 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: how heartbreaking was that call out for your mom? I 244 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: can't breathe. But because of you, and because of thousands 245 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: millions of people around the world who came out for justice, 246 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: your name will always be synonymous with justice. Yes, Nancy 247 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: Pelosi explaining how God, by being murdered George Floyd gave 248 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: his life. Here's the thing, it's a horrible way to 249 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: say this, awful way to say it, and like obviously 250 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: like she meant so terrible at this won't be in 251 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: vain for dying. But first, but like the justice she's 252 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: talking about is the murderer getting convicted. So like she's saying, 253 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: thank you for sacrificing yourself so that the guy who 254 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: killed you can get convicted. They're like, they're just opposed statements. 255 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: They do not work together. If the justice would also 256 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: be like, well, now you can't like killed by the 257 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: cops because of this reason, like or not, Like yeah, 258 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: it's amazing because you could say the non offensive and 259 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: accurate version of that without committing Danny. I get it. 260 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: She's a politician. They don't like to do things that matter. 261 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: There's a way to even say that that no one 262 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: could get angry at you for, which is this is 263 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: a terrible tragedy, but we're not going to let his 264 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: death be in vain. You know, there you go shore, 265 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: you go there, and you don't even have to do anything. 266 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: You can keep being Nancy Pelosi and keep being useless. 267 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: And it's not just Nancy Pelosi. I've seen other things 268 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: of like you know, I I don't have an example 269 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but there's a really 270 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: crean is Worthy way of approaching talking about this as 271 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: if this is good. Actually yeah, I mean something like 272 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: like like the Las Vegas raiders posting I can breathe 273 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 1: for fuck off again, don't post ship you guys suck. 274 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: But like, again, this isn't like justice. It's like the 275 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: bare minimum of justice. It's not it's not problems not 276 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: doing those things. It's saying like you sacrifice yourself so 277 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: that the thing that happened I had, Like it's just again, 278 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: it's like the system. I will make one point that 279 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: I've thought about throughout the trial. Okay, and I this 280 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: is a separate point from what we were just talking about, 281 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: But think you of social media. I've seen a lot 282 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: of posts of like, we don't need a trial to 283 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: know that Derek Chauvin uh killed George Floyd, or I 284 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: didn't need to take the some x amount of days. 285 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: And look, I agree, we all know that that's true. 286 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: But we do like trials. We like that he's going 287 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: through trial. We like that he gets convicted of all 288 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: three counts publicly and you know, unanimously for everybody to see. 289 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if yeah, it's good that it's good 290 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: that he got it's good like justice is that George 291 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: Floyd didn't die. Just the police don't act like this 292 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: and do this and get away with it all the time, 293 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: and things are going to actually change. Um, it's not 294 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: that they punished the guy who did the thing to 295 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: the guy who allegedly sacrificed himself so that the thing 296 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: could happen. It's just very frustrating justice. It's it's it's consequences. Yeah, 297 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: that that that that is what this is is we 298 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: decide as as a society, after an enormous amount of 299 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: violent struggle, that this is the sort of thing, this 300 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: specific I shouldn't say this is the sort of thing 301 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: because a lot of cops are still getting away. This 302 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: specific crime had to have legal consequences, like we we 303 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: we fought as a nation to ensure that this this 304 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: man and maybe his accomplices would be specifically punished for 305 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: this crime. And the hope and the responsibility we have 306 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: is to ideally make sure that other people are also 307 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: face consequences as a result of this, That the system 308 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: that allowed Derek Chaubin to do what he did and 309 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: to get away with a lot of violence before he 310 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: killed George Floy, that system also suffers consequences. That would 311 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: be nice. All we know right now is that he's 312 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: going to suffer consequences. Um so even yeah, even the 313 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: like warped set, like the way she's saying in the sentiment, like, 314 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: even that's not true. Yeah, Um, but enough about Nancy Pelosi. 315 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: She's not gonna do anything. Um but I mean I 316 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, I don't know. We'll come back and 317 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: we'll talk about I don't know, cops killing people more 318 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: or protests or something. Um, we'll talk. But we're definitely 319 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: gonna talk well together everything. Yeah, we are back from 320 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: that break, trying stuff out, and we're gonna talk about 321 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: some news things. We sure our friends. So in terms 322 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: of like what the reaction is gonna be, I have 323 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: some friends in Minneapolis. Um, it sounds like hopefully there's 324 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: going to be a big kind of party slash morning 325 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: kind of irish wake sort of situation in the streets. 326 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: We'll see if the fucking cops and the National Guard 327 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: go ape ship on it. If they're smart, they'll let 328 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: it happen. But also it's possible people will um, people 329 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: will will go off you know. Um, I don't know. 330 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: I I suspect in Portland there's a thing a protest 331 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: slash celebration plan for tonight. I don't know what's going 332 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: to happen. It being Portland's one of two things is possible. 333 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: It could either be a lot of people show up 334 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: and more or less it's kind of like what happened 335 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: after the election, where a bunch of people come together, um, 336 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: and there's a you know, uh, just sort of an 337 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: acknowledgment that like, hey, the thing that needed to happen happened, 338 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: and it's horrible that the thing that caused this also happened. Um, 339 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: let's all be together. Or it's possible that people will 340 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: will break more windows and light some ship on fire. 341 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: It's always possible that people will light some ship on 342 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: fire and break some windows. Maybe someone will throw a 343 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: water bottle and then in the way that they react, yeah, yeah, 344 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean in Portland, things have moved towards 345 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: a lot of um um, fairly small hundred to two 346 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: hundred people focused direct actions, with a lot of emphasis 347 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: on property damage, both to police property and to businesses. UM, 348 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: because we haven't really had a big a mass protest 349 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: in a while, so if a lot of people show up, 350 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: that'll be interesting. Um. But I I think there's an 351 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: attitude among kind of the more extreme abolitionist activists that, UM, 352 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: you shouldn't ever kind of let up on the pressure 353 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: and UM it's always the time to to to break 354 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: more ship um, which you know is a is a 355 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: strategy we can debate the efficacy of. UM. I don't 356 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen tonight. My hope is that 357 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: people like take a minute and just kind of let this, 358 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: let this one sink in. But people don't do whatever 359 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: whatever it is they're going to do. Um. The govern or, 360 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: the mayor has already cleared a state of emergency. The 361 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: National Guard are on standby. I'm sure the police are 362 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: on a high alert. Yeah, everywhere they're they're fucking circling 363 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: my house, tractical alert. And yeah. Yeah, So I don't 364 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. My hope is that it's 365 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: My hope is that people like kind of just take 366 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: a night to grieve and also, um B relax a 367 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: little bit. Not relax, that's the wrong word. UM, take 368 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: satisfaction that reflect that there among the achievements of sort 369 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: of the protesting and rioting and whatnot last year, one 370 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: of those achievements was that, UM, the fucking state had 371 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: to throw this guy under the bus. They I think 372 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: that's really but that's why his colleagues testified against him. 373 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: They were fucking terrified of another last year. And UM, 374 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: and that's a win. And I think a productive thing 375 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: for protesters and and activists in particular to to to 376 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: focus on now. I don't know. I think there's this 377 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: I see it in Portland. UM. And again I'm not 378 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: here to tell anyone what the right or the wrong 379 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: thing to do is. But I think a productive thing 380 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: to do would be to focus in the immediate future 381 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: more on kind of building UM resilient systems of mutual aid. UH, 382 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: just because I think, I don't know, I don't UM, 383 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think the continue. I think there's 384 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: a time and a place protesting wise for property damage. 385 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it always achieves the ends that people 386 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: UM think it will. And I think sometimes it's okay too. 387 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: I think we're in this interesting position on the left 388 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: where the right wings street movement has taken a serious 389 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: and kind of devastating hit recently. UM, and the right 390 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: wing political movement is also on it's on a on 391 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: a back foot. It's it has not taken nearly as 392 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: much of a hit, but it's not UM, it's not 393 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: where it was even ten months ago. Oh UM. And 394 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: I think it behooves us to take advantage of this 395 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: sort of period of weakness, relative weakness, for them to 396 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: build a stronger base as opposed to focusing just on 397 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: kind of directly confronting the state, UM providing alternatives to it. 398 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a wiser long term strategic goal to accomplish. 399 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: I think it will actually, UM, I think number one, 400 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: the next time it's necessary, the next time a lot 401 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: of people take to the streets, it will make that 402 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: movement more durable. But I also think it's just is 403 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: something that it sounds better to a lot of people. 404 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: You can get more people on board, you can kind 405 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: of bring them onto the movement, bring them on to 406 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: left wing politics in a way that UM, kind of 407 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,239 Speaker 1: the more extreme protests aren't necessarily going to turn these 408 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: people off, but it's not going to get them active. 409 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: There the other kind of work, the real work, that 410 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: laying the groundwork, preparing, Yeah, organizing and being ready for 411 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: the next moment of action. Yeah, there's there's a lot 412 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: of focus I see, particularly within anarchist circles, I mean 413 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: anarchist crois. There's always a lot of mutual aid work, 414 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of I think because people have 415 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: gotten traumatized and also got into this rhythm of fighting, 416 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: this focus on fighting the state, and I think at 417 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: the moment, one of the best things you can do 418 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: to fight it is provide people alternatives to the state 419 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: in addition to just kind of attacking symbols of state power. 420 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: And in fact, I think that providing alternatives, particularly in 421 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: our present moment, is probably a better way of building 422 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: power right now. That's my my thinking the matter and 423 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: demonstrating to people what is possible. And you're right, it's 424 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: not it's not. The moment of extreme heightened tension, where 425 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: there's lots of different information and stories being floated, is 426 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: a time when you can actually talk with people and 427 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: have conversations and change and change, make changes. I'm feeling sad. 428 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to say that, like there was a relief 429 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: and I felt emotional, just like we all discussed when 430 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: the verdict came in. I'm just feeling so sad, uh 431 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: for this past year and a half, for the trauma, 432 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: proud of everybody who's shown up and and done stuff 433 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: and and marched and burnt things, and you know, it's 434 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: just I'm sad. I don't know that this isn't a 435 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: good point. I wanted to acknowledge it because I think 436 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 1: that we're all feeling it. This episode feels very somber 437 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: to me. I think we've all been watching all this 438 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: thing unfold for so long, and there was a relief, 439 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: And it's also not a relief because I don't know 440 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: what changes are happening. I'm people are being murdered as 441 00:27:54,040 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: we speak, black people, brown people. So I'm acknowledging it 442 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: because I think that some of our listeners probably are 443 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: feeling that right now. It's um end of pivot. Yeah, 444 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't want anything I've said to 445 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: come across as saying like if you're doing anything in 446 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: the streets besides morning or you know, celebrating or whatever tonight, 447 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: that it's wrong and don't. I think there's a wide 448 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: variety of perfectly acceptable reactions to this. UM. I hope 449 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: people are still capable of taking some joy in um, 450 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: some joy in doing damage to the thing that they hate. Absolutely, 451 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: there's something to be proud of two yeah, and this result, 452 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: absolutely and there is joy. But all of your feelings 453 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: right now are value yeah yeah, yeah, literally any reaction 454 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: to this, um, other than being angry that Chauvin was convicted. 455 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're doing listening to you? Why 456 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: why are you still listening to this podcast? What has 457 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: been going on with you for a year? You're all 458 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: welcome here. It's fine. There's a Yeah, there's amazing footage 459 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: of George Floyd's family reacting to the to the verdict. UM, 460 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean nothing, you know, there's no there's 461 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: no This doesn't fix anything, but it is. UM. It's 462 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: like when, um, you know, in a video game, when 463 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: you've you've got one of those kind of one of 464 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: those kind of video games like like I think a 465 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: side scrollers the term for it. You've got those bad 466 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: guys that have like a bunch of different pieces and 467 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: you have to shoot off the different pieces, and when 468 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: you do enough damage like that little the thing in 469 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: the center of them starts to glow and then you 470 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: can shoot that and that's how that's how you take 471 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: out the bad guy. Like we we we we blew 472 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: off like a like a chunk of armor. And now 473 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: there's like fifteen second where um, the car serrale systems 474 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: big glowing weak spot is pulsing. UM. And I don't know, 475 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to like, I don't think it's ass 476 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: as limited a time frame as that, but it is 477 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: a situation where, um, all the reactions we've seen in 478 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: the last week, you know, is as much of a 479 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: as much of a massive show of force as we 480 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: saw in in Minneapolis, as we saw in um um uh, 481 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: as we started to see in Philadelphia, as we've started 482 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: to see in d C. You know, I think there 483 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: were like thousands of cops out for like a hundred 484 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: and fifty protesters there as much of a like, I 485 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: think that the kind of escalations and deployed force that 486 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: we saw prior to the verdict were signs of fear. 487 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: They were they were the system going, oh God, we can't, 488 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: we can't do this again, not again, please um. And 489 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: it was I mean that's not how they framed They 490 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: framed it more as like a like we have to 491 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: crush this thing before it gets started again. UM. But 492 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: the fact that, like the fact of the matter is, 493 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: um last year was was rough for them, um it 494 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: and and there have been consequences. You know, we're on 495 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: two states that have restricted qualifying immunity now UM saying 496 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: that they abolished it as an entirely accurate but it 497 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: is a meaningful restriction. And at least one city UM, 498 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: I think at Denver, UM. And we're we're seeing more 499 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: bills put up throughout the country UM to at least 500 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: restrict police power. There's growing pushes within the Democratic Party 501 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: to have Biden reverse the ten thirty three program, which 502 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: I think is something people should really push on. That's 503 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: the flow of military grade weapons to the police. Biden 504 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: is on track to do it at least as much 505 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: of not more than Trump. That doesn't need to happen. 506 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: He's still early on and if he were to take 507 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: action quickly, that could be a lot of police militarization 508 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: slowed down. UM. And I think there's opportunity to do 509 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: all of that. And I think more than anything, again, 510 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: the fact that multiple Minneapolis police officers testified against Derek Schaubin. 511 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: Is a sign that they're scared. They recognize they're in 512 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: a precarious position. They're at least aware of the times 513 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: and like what they they're placing it the a changing 514 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: that the times they are doing. Yes, yeah, um and 515 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: yeah stuff like that. Also there will be a backlash 516 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: from the police there all yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 517 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: But and Ben Shapiro is angry. Um what was his 518 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: hot take? Saw? God didn't was it? Was it? Lester Holt, 519 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: who's who's tweets? Don Lemon, Don Lemon um Don Lemon 520 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: posted like justice is done or something like like that 521 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: account when the verdict came in, and Ben Shapiro said, 522 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: I bet he wouldn't be saying that if the opposite 523 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: had happened. And it's like, what even is that point? Yes, 524 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: saying justices served a mistake and what Uh? It's like 525 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: a guy comes in, a plumber comes in to fix 526 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: your sink, and you're like, thank you for fixing my sink, 527 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: and someone says, you wouldn't be saying that if he 528 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: hadn't fixed your sink. No, I guess I would, right. 529 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: That's why his voice is so important. I have a 530 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: theory after hearing that just now. He tweeted that because 531 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: he's secretly happy about it. But he didn't want to 532 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: tweet you, didn't want to admit it, so he just 533 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: came up with some obscure bullshit to tweet that sounded critical. No, 534 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: he's also he's also he's also talking on his show 535 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: withdrew of people about how there's like no evidence that 536 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: racially motivated at all. Completely, that wasn't the trial. The 537 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: trial wasn't whether or not Derek Chavi. It was did 538 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: he murderer? Guy? We're inferring, um. But yeah, that's what 539 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes. It's it's very sweet, though, Katie, 540 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: that you give you give him the benefit of the doubt, Like, no, 541 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: that was naive. I was just reacting in real time 542 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: without having other information. No, No, that's nice. That's nice 543 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: because it is one of those things like fuck. I 544 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: would say, for all of the disagreements I have with 545 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people in my family who are more conservative, 546 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: I don't know none of my none of my right 547 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: wing family members think Derek Jovin isn't a murderer like 548 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: it was. It was that bad, you know, Um, it 549 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: was that bad a video. Even people who are reflexively 550 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: defend the cops were like, Jesus that Ben Shapiro, Well 551 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: except for the fascist, you know, the fascist. The fascist 552 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: did what fascists do. But I think most people who 553 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: are just actual conservatives were like whoa, yeah, exactly right 554 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: on that point. I mean, my conservative relatives have watched 555 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: watched this trial very closely, and everyone's just like, he's 556 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: a murderer. Yeah. I was watching news Max, uh, pretty 557 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: much all day for the first time it's in. I know, 558 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why. It was just a 559 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: choice I made. I was very interested to see how 560 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 1: they talk about it and then uh, their reaction after 561 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: the fact awful through through there. It's not a good channel. Um. 562 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: But even like Madison Cawthorne was on and he was like, yeah, 563 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: it appears as though you know, there was I'm I'm 564 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: glad there was justice against uh, someone who might have 565 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: been a bad cop. And it was like, so so 566 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: fucking close, man, why do you have to add that? Um, 567 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: it's just they can't. They can't, like they're incapable of 568 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: like getting to that point. They know, they know, but 569 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: they they can't even do that. Um, we can't do 570 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: that as a country, or at least as this I 571 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: don't like, we don't this is this US was as 572 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: about as close outside of pot legalization, about as close 573 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: like this specific trial, not the broader question of like 574 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: police reform, but this specific trial was as close to 575 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: like even Trump was like, well, that guy looks like 576 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: he committed murder. You don't even get Trump. If you're 577 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: a cop and Trump won't defend you from killing a guy, 578 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: you really stepped out a lie. They're still they're still 579 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: going out though Candis Owens is on Tucker right now. 580 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: It wasn't a fair trial. Everyone on news Max is 581 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: talking about how it was. At one point the guy 582 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: is fucking little twerp was talking about how yeah, if 583 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: it were any other day, uh you know, uh it 584 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: was just uh ne on the neck the next day 585 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: it would be a stiff neck anyone, if an older 586 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: brother can tell you that. So they're like they're now 587 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: they're on overdrive. Now. Yeah, no, they're gonna be doing horrible, 588 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: horrible like it's it's going to continue to be a nightmare. 589 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: Um yeah, but many people across the nation who are 590 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: not on television, uh agree. So that's something with who 591 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: with us are with them with with like the idea 592 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: that the cup killed that guy, it was murder, but 593 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: you were saying I veered it away towards Actually the 594 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: media is being awful, But I think it's a valid 595 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: point and good point to point out. They're like, yeah, 596 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: I know people saw what was going on, and he 597 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: just said that I'm always right, and I think it's 598 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: a great way to end the episode. Um, except for 599 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: when she gives the Shapiro the benefit of the depth. 600 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: But that's just I'm sweet and so marce of ideas 601 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: marketplace of ideas. Some people think Ben Shapiro is a monster. 602 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: Some of us think he's merely incompetent. You know all, 603 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: let's think he's incontinent. I don't cut it, cut it. 604 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: It's not a good joke. It was and sometimes sometimes 605 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: I've become my dad really quick and really alarming. The 606 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,399 Speaker 1: only comment I'll make on that is that, you know, 607 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: Ben Shapopiro's poops are like like a little mouse's. You know, 608 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: you almost said Ben, I did, I did, But like 609 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: size wise, they have to be like you know, like 610 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: if you've ever if you've really lived out in the 611 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: country and like a mouse, gett in your house and 612 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: stuff to eat. Those little pellets, those little bit compressed 613 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: pellets like a Gerbil or something made like Stewart little 614 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: like Stewart little. That's the size of Ben Shapiro's big poops, 615 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: you know, when he's proud, when he's going to bring 616 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: This isn't a short joke. It's just a Ben Shapiro joke. 617 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: It's a Ben Shapiro joke. It's just a generally tiny joke. Ye, 618 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: it's just a little baby boy. It's fine. I don't know, Like, look, 619 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: we're not I'm not proud of of making those jokes 620 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: about Ben Shapiro, but I'm not going to take the fine. 621 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: Yeah we can. There's no way to edit that out. Yeah, 622 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: episode everything so dumb, Everything so dumb, and it's got 623 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: to get duma. I tried. Dan. 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