WEBVTT - #422 - Joyner Lucas 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.520 Yo, what's up man, It's joining Lucas. Make sure y'all 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.239 check me out on a bootleg CAV podcast shared. 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.400 Yo, Bootleg CAV show Man special guests in here. His 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.440 new album is out and I'm gonna say it officially. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.279 In my opinion, a lot of other albums have been 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.320 getting talked about, but for my money, this man has 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.360 the album of the year so far. Joining Lucas Nigga. Welcome, sir, 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.040 so Gy. I got to start the interview off because 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.120 I watched your Breakfast Club interview and there's tons of pauses, 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:29.320 so we got to kick it off with a nice 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.639 pause moment. If we go to Worcester, are we gonna 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:36.600 get glizzies at the Coney Island? I heard, if we 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.760 go we gotta get some glizzies? Is this a fact? 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.040 It's a big bulls Yeah, Coney Island go crazy? All right, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:44.320 Coney Island go crazy. Shout out to Cody Island for 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:45.360 show for sure. Man. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:47.680 But Yo, welcome dude. Like I said, the body of 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.239 work is crazy. I know obviously you've been dropping like 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.200 videos and singles it feels like for about a year 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.400 now that are connected to this body of work. When 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:57.840 was the first, was it nine months ago. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.720 You dropp Yeah? Yeah, yeah, about nine months ago. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.399 And I gotta say, man, like there's two moments from 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.160 this project that got me like, hella emotional. So Simba 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.000 and me are really close friends, and he played me 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.080 the DMX record like maybe three months ago, and that 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.440 shit had me choked up, man, Like that DMX moment 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:21.880 is like crazy to hear it, like for you, like 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.760 when you listen to a song like that and it's 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.200 it feels like this is kind of like the last 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.160 real X feature we might get. You know what I'm saying, 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:30.639 because I know he's got a lot of like verses 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.200 floating around. You got one, I know you have another one. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.479 But I mean like the stuff that like I feel 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.840 like we hear is like people buying versus and ship 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.880 you had a real relationship with him, Like when you 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.240 like listen back to that, like like I did you 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.720 have you already had that verse obviously before he passed, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:59.560 Like did you get emotional like hearing the final product. 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.960 Like a little bit. It's it's a little bit different 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.840 now that he's gone, you know, yeah, yeah, so they 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:02.000 do it hit different. 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.280 For sure, man. And then obviously this jelly world record 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.520 is just crazy for anybody. Like I've dealt with a 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.960 lot of family members who've been addicts. You know, my 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:14.160 son's mom was a big drug addicts, So that second 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:14.880 verse was crazy. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:15.359 That's tough. 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.960 Yeah, yeah, I know you said that you kind of 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.239 feel like you get like channeled when you write certain 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.240 verses from different perspectives. Did you ever deal with any 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.760 actual like people close to you? 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.760 Yeah, there's a lot of within all my records, They're 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:35.519 coming from somewhere right. It's like, you know, if I'm 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.080 not experiencing it directly, then it's you know, someone that 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:43.800 I know personally that experienced it, you know. And but yeah, 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.000 that that that record was a little bit personal for sure, 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.960 because I have I have someone If you hear it 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:51.799 sound like a letter, that's like a for sure, like 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.360 I'm talking to someone that's try to help them lift 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.440 their spirits up, you know what I mean, and get 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:57.760 them out of the slum. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.959 At the end, how long your relationship go back with 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.000 Jelly because you know, obviously everyone's just kind of getting 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.000 hip to Jelly Roll, but he's been like an underground rapper. 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.440 For Yeah, I wasn't really I was hip to Jelly 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:10.960 but back when he was rapping, for sure, but you 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:15.600 know he's he's definitely throughout the years, you know, I 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:24.560 have grown pause and this record just it just made 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.120 sense to put him on it because he was you know, 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.840 he really advocates for for sure. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:31.040 That's like his mission. 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:35.680 Yeah, it's his mission for sure. So it just made 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:37.440 the most sense to put him on the record, you know. 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.080 And you know when he heard it, you know, he 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.200 got goosebumps and he was like, bro, this is this 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.280 one's this is gonna be the Grammy right here for sure. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:47.920 And if like the VMA's would ever get their shit together, 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:49.160 you'd have like fifty by now. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.720 Yeah, I mean it's I was just telling him, telling 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.520 him now on the bus, like how I just feel 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:55.360 like I'd be slighted. 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.600 It's crazy, Like you got like probably the best music 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.920 videos like times twenty over the last. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.320 Decade, m h and like did we did we get 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:07.280 music video or was it music video for I'm Not Racist? 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:12.560 It was it was music video right for Grammy. It 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.680 wasn't a song music video? 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.120 Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, you have classic videos at 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:19.120 this point over and over. 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.920 But that was but but that was that felt good. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:29.640 Of course, get you're a pauser man, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.640 You know last night you were hanging out with Rihanna 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.680 and Cardi B and Jason Lee and was Paris Hilting there. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.279 Paris was sitting right next to me. Nice, she's dope. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.240 She hey, man, she she started all this reality. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.919 She is dope, bro, She's a dope person. Like she's 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:45.800 she's got a really dope personality. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.320 Was that your first time like meeting her? 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:53.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's like she's she's just a dope person. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.040 She was before her time. Can you imagine a Para 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.080 Hilt would have dropped like TikTok wave. 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.240 Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like the first, like 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.279 you know what I mean, the first person to really 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.880 do that that live you know what I'm saying. But yeah, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:07.039 she's she's fire man. 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:11.120 Like I heard you had like, uh, some previous conversations 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:12.920 with with real. Did she reach out to when I'm 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:13.400 Not racist? 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:19.479 Yeah, Like I built the friendship where like when I'm 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.960 not racist that you know, came out. You know, she 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.160 was one of the first people to like really hit 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.120 me up and like repost it and like, you know, 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.400 and we built like a really dope friendship. You know 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:35.160 what I mean, And she's she's such a she she 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.760 really loves the culture of of you know, like real 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.600 like hip hop and meaningful music, you know what I mean. 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.000 So when I dropped sometimes she'll just be like, you know, 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:46.880 she did it with Devil's Work, like Yo, send me that, 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.240 you know, like text me, send me that, and I 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.120 send it to her and then she'll just post it 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.080 and she'd just be like, Yo, this ship needs to 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.840 be seen. Like she she really want to, you know 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:58.800 what I mean, like show love for real and like 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.400 I really fuck her for that. And you know, seeing 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.960 her yesterday was like singing a homie, you know, like 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:06.359 she's a dope person. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.040 You got to get get a record one day when 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.800 she's super active in the music again, because I feel 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:11.400 like she comes and goes, you know what I mean, Like. 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.320 One day she's just she's a mother, you know, for sure, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.320 a billionaire and a billionaire, but she's you know, she 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.440 got the fenty popping shout out the fenty and she's 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.240 a mom, you know, and she's married and you know 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.160 she's she's just you know, she living a different life now. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:27.719 So I don't really know if her head is in 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.039 the music like that, you know, and it's like she 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.440 gave us years and years worth of music. Amazing classic music, 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.640 by the way, so shout out to Ree. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.479 Speaking of classics. I feel like you've had like such 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.920 an interesting path to where you are now because like 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:43.360 I first got hit to you with the five o 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:48.520 eight album, which was like twenty seventeen, keeping one hundreds crazy. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:55.159 And I feel like throughout the years you've like been 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.680 about as anti industry as you could be for somebody 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:02.200 who's as big as you are, is that you're gonna 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:07.640 have some hard pauses with me? I mean, and I 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.440 know you've been through a lot in the industry too, 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.240 but was that is that always kind of been like 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.080 on purpose? Because you have a very tight team, You've 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.960 you've moved your own way your entire career. You've been 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:20.920 through the major label ship, you've been through the indie shit, 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.200 you know what I mean? Like, has that always kind 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.240 of been a part of the plan or did it 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.080 just work out that way to. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:28.400 Just be like anti? 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:30.480 You're just you're right, you're writing your own ship. You're 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.200 almost like, you know, like I look at guys like you, 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:33.960 I look at guys like Russ like you guys just 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.280 write your own rules to this rap ship. There's no 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.680 like you know, a lot of people just go by 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.360 the blueprint. They drop a single, they work the single, 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:41.840 if it don't work out, they drop another single. 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.000 But it's like, bro, that shit is like even if 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:45.640 you look at the song structure on a lot of 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.280 my ship, like like you said, it's just breaking all 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:48.800 the rules. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:49.880 There's not hooks. 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.520 There's no hooks on a lot of this ship. There's 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.960 no hooks on isis and there's no hooks on like 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.560 a lot of speaking Broski, I don't even know if 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:04.680 what record didn't what record, what other big risks sticks 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.600 and sticks and stones did it didn't have a hook 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:12.080 to conray Broski, no hook any of the storytelling records 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.120 really don't be having hooks except for Best for me 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:18.040 that has a hook. I didn't go, yeah, well X 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.240 didn't really have a hook. So it's like I don't 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.120 really care about following song structure like how things go. 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.160 It's like I just want to do what I want 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.000 to do, and it feels good to do what I 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:28.840 want to do and not be told what to do. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.160 You know, and then talk about your app too, because 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.560 your app is like for people who don't know, like, 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.680 you got an app that's very unique because there's apps 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.360 out there where you can like upload your music. Obviously 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.520 there's there's distroc kids in the tune course and all that, 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:46.040 but your app also provides like contract templates, like just 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.840 different shit. If you're an independent artist, then maybe you 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.920 don't have the means or the resources to like know 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:53.959 someone or a music lawyer or stuff like that. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.880 Like if I had Tully, like you know, when I 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:58.760 really needed it when I was coming up, and like 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.760 I didn't really you know, know what things was, and 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.840 I didn't really know about certain shit like you know, 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.080 tell you what. It came in Clutch, especially the opportunities 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:09.880 on there, you know what I mean, with the different 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.160 features and shit that we were doing. Like you know, 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.680 it really is like a central place for you know, 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.720 artists to have, you know, to store all their assets 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.320 in there, you know, and to you know read, I 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.320 mean to write, record, listen to the beat all on 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.679 a single screen. You know. I was doing it all 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.520 for like three different phones. I was listening to a 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.600 beat off of this phone, and I was writing off 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:33.600 of this one and then recording like because I would 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.320 record like voice voice notes, so I can remember, like, 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.760 but we got we had gotten patented so that we 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.920 can be able to do that all on a single screen, 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.120 you know what I mean, Which was pretty dope. And 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.160 then you I can write a song with you from 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:49.920 a like a remote location, meaning you could be in 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.720 a different location right into the same song. Shit like 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.800 that the loop function on there, so like if you 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.160 sent me a record with like an open sixteen, I 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:01.160 can lose the part that I want and write. It's dope, bro. 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.480 And it's like when you think about like, there's no 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.280 there's never been like a pre production tool for an 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.560 artist to you know have I mean, directors have what 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.960 like final cut to have their own ship right right. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.439 And then you got Microsoft for like you know office 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.920 and microsoftware to Microsoft is you know the engineers they 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.480 have pro tools. You know, producers have fruity loops. You 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.520 know that there's something for everyone except for artists, you know. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.400 So I wanted to be the first one to create 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.440 something that artists can use as a pre production tool. 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.640 Did you like hit up any other rapper homies and say, hey, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.199 I'm working on this, what do you think I should 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.120 include or what's missing? This is this is what we 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:37.240 got so far. What's missing? 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.480 No, you can be pretty much kept like we pretty 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.160 much like just use me as a case study. And 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.040 we already knew what was missing, right, you know, we 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:47.960 already seen that a lot of these niggas don't know, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.600 you know, what their splits are on certain records. They 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.439 don't know certain shit. So we're like, yeah, we got 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.040 to add that, you know for sure, you know, contracts 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.000 and shit like that. We got to add that copyright 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.240 and this shit. We got to add that. 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.240 There's like this all shit like if you're an independent 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.920 artist and like you buy a beat from somebody, like 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.520 if I'm just like, you know, a new rapper, I 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.160 don't know what a production agreement looks like or how 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.320 to make sure like this producer can't come back later, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.720 and like no, I sold this twice, huh. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.720 And you know, getting that shit off the ground was 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.840 completely self funded until Sony stepped in, and you know 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.680 they gave us a big bag. And then you know 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.040 now that our partners in there, and. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.840 That's big, you know, Paul, Yeah, for sure, See there 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:35.960 we go, there we go, Yo, talk to me about 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.240 you know you have been I mean, look you've had, 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.320 like I said, a storied career. I feel like you 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.000 have fans that have been fucking with you the whole time. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.400 You have fans who discovered you through like Tech nine, 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.360 you have fans who discovered you through like Eminem. You 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.840 got you know, fans who the first time they ever 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:53.600 heard of you was Will Like, you know, you have 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.319 all these new fans, but you got like your fans 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:00.480 are very very dedicated, Like they're a very dedicated bunch. 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.840 We'll say, do you ever feel like, because I've heard 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.079 you kind of talk about like when you do a 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.800 record like a guy like future, Like, do is it 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:13.200 kind of hard to like get over always having to 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.800 try to think about like making your like die hard 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.200 fans happy while also trying to figure out how to 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:19.280 like expand. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.520 The reach absolutely, Like that's like one of the things 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.680 because I really care about the core, you know, and 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.320 it's like I don't want to turn off the core 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:26.040 and like make. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.320 Them like now they change your life. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.760 One hundred percent. So it's like, because I care about 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.080 about the core, you know, it's like I worry sometimes 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.240 that they're not really going to understand, like, you know, 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.360 what I'm trying to do musically, you know. And it's 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:45.040 like as far as like me experimenting with like different things, 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.840 it's like I actually am a fan of like Future Records, 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:50.880 you know, I'm a fan of NBA. Like I'm a 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.400 fan of a lot of that realm that they may 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.360 not be fans of, you know. So when I step 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.760 outside of that and collab with those people, you know, 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:00.880 sometimes my fans like what the fuck are you doing? 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.240 You know? But it's like I'm just really open minded 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.520 and like it's really just me being experimental and trying 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.760 and ship. But I think that it's like having the 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.880 balance of like putting your world into their world and 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:20.440 like doing it like with within reason and not just 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.040 going too far left field and like you know, becoming 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:30.400 too excited pause and then going too come on, bro, yeah, 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.600 niggas going to going too far into the into the world. 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:36.280 You know what I'm saying. That really just like. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.920 What's interesting too, because I was I always think back to, 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.120 like when I was growing up, how big of a 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.680 deal it was that Kanye got Tulip Quality and Freeway 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.400 on the song Together. You remember when that happened and 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.280 people were like, yo, Kanye's bringing the backpack and the mainstream. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.200 She brought a lot of shit together, bro, But if you. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.559 Think about it, like fast forward, like Freeway and telip 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.520 Quality on a song together, is not that crazy. Like 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.160 and when jay Z said, you know, uh, I'll be 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.960 rhyming a lot more like common sense, you know, lyrically 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.600 I beat teleip quality. It's crazy because like back then, 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.920 I feel like hip hop was more segregated, but nowadays, 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.200 I feel like I feel like it's natural for like 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.679 like like the record you did with Young Boy, I 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.400 don't think I think he came to your world on. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.840 That, but that was one of the ones that was 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:25.000 like I did the Future one. I even got one way, 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:26.680 I got a join with Koda that Black You know 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.920 what I'm saying, Records like Coda Black One goes stupid, 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:31.480 Like I love the Koda Black One, but I just 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.040 I didn't put it on this project. You know, I'm 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.080 probably gonna throw it on my next joint, you know 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.200 what I'm saying. I don't know, but I felt like 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.600 there was too many records on this project that was 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:43.640 like a little bit left field, and it was like. 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.880 Well, you had scrapped like the previous idea for this album. Yeah, 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.960 So there's probably like a folder just the fully shit 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:50.520 that will never. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.200 Set, a whole bunch of features from a whole bunch 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.320 of different types of artists that I'm a fan of, right, 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.400 But I just felt like it was going too far 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:01.160 down of a direction that I I stopped feeling comfortable 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.000 with because it was like, I don't ever want to 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.520 just create something that's just for now, you know. It's 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.280 just like I like my shit to live forever. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.760 Can you walk me through? The one thing that I 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:16.360 love and hip hop is like when to Top Tier 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:21.080 MC's battle and you and Tory Lanez had a fun 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.880 a fun time you guys were and you guys were 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:25.600 hitting each other. 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.640 Ball pause Jesus super. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:31.920 Coast, super as heyo. But when you guys had that 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.880 going on, like you guys were turning around records hella 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.280 quick about each other and it was very like it 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.840 felt like obviously guys were talking shit each other, but 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.040 it just felt like this is for the sport type shit. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.680 Yeah, yeah, of course, Like you know, he's a funny guy. 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.320 You know, I was just talking about this on a 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.400 million dollars worth of game, like he's a funny dude, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.880 and like, you know, because he's a funny guy and like, 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.720 you know, it was it was more sporty than anything. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.720 You know, me and him and really know each other. 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.000 I have a real problem, you know. But he he's 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:08.280 a competitive guy, you know, and he said some ship 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.400 and it was just like, you know, that was it 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.600 was like I got to show this name because he 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:13.840 doesn't know, you know, so. 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:15.720 You got sharped to the other swords for like a month. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.080 Paul super pause. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.320 Hey bro, I can't say ship to this guy without 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:20.200 a positive. 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:25.000 That was crazy sharpening each other's But now I was 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:31.800 gonna ask you, that's crazy. Yeah, that was that was lyricol. Yeah, obviously, Jesus, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:34.280 that was crazy. 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.760 How excited because because I'm not sure just from a 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.240 hip hop fans perspective, because you're obviously a hip hop head. 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.000 What was I mean? Look, the night that you released 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.720 your album Kendrick Lamar dis is the other two Big 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.920 Three you dropped. You dropped an album, Big Sean dropped 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.720 a single, and then there's this Kendrick verse that just 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.880 takes over the world. What were your initial thoughts when 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.640 you heard the verse? Is the It's an amazing verse, 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:03.320 and I'm I'm not as excited because I don't think 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:04.880 Drake's canna reply. I'm really excited to see what Jake 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.879 Cole says. But what were your thoughts? Just from a 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:08.160 fan's perspective. 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:14.040 This motherfucker like why today? Mother waited till today? This 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.320 motherfucker waited till today to do this ship? Right? But 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.399 now I'm actually a fan, like I fuck with Kenjack. 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:21.280 I'm a fan of Kenjack. 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:26.760 Has he ever tapped in? Pause? 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:28.920 Yeah? 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:35.080 Are we pausing that? But you and I couldn't hang 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.000 out too because you would be I'm fucked up over. 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.720 Here as he tapped in. It's crazy, but nah, he 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:47.199 I haven't talked to him, but he's He's somebody that 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.119 I think is fire, you know, And it's like, I 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:51.600 know he's aware of me. You know, we have we 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.560 of course we have a We've worked with a lot 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.360 of the same people, producers and ship like that. So 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.359 but yeah, he's fire. Yeah, A fuck with Kendrick When 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.600 he dropped it, though, I'm definitely like, damn, nigga, why 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.800 today you do this ship? You know, I didn't really 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.760 give a fuck about what Big Seawan dropped too much 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.159 like that. That didn't really bother me. 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:15.440 There's a fly just floating in front of you. Yeah, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.600 I think, uh, it's It's just it was just an 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:19.919 interesting time to drop. I was like, damn, because you know, 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.000 Big Shawn's always talk about he's like the fourth guy 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.760 in the Big three, and Bro big Sean said that 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.440 he's I feel like that's always kind of been like 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.359 an interesting perspective, like you know in the in the 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:31.680 blog era rap scene. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:33.199 Well, you know what it is a Big Sewan like 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.120 at that time, like he's has the time, like he's 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.359 around her. He's made like a lot of big records 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.480 to Big Shawn's fire, but he's I was saying this 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.719 on the Breakfast Club. It's like these guys have been 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.840 in the game for like like Kendrick, Big Sean, Drake, 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.359