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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: All Right, second hour play in Buck gets going now,

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Speaker 2: and we told you give you a little update here

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Speaker 2: on the latest on the campuses. Gaza solidarity in camping

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Speaker 2: play that's what the cool kids are calling you, a

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Speaker 2: gaza solidarity in camp Who knew? Now we know that's

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Speaker 2: what they're saying. Solidarity, you know, like the Communists used

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Speaker 2: to talk about a lot just saying, uh, the internets,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Communist Internationale right, a lot of solidarity talk.

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Speaker 2: We have Emory University chaos at Emory Georgia police officers

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Speaker 2: taking a bunch of screaming kicking protesters into custody.

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Speaker 3: They all start that's also amazing too, they all.

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Speaker 2: Start like shrieking on these videos when the cops are,

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Speaker 2: you know, putting them in the handcuffs or whatever, completely

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Speaker 2: freaking out. What did they think was gonna happen? I

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Speaker 2: always they act so surprised. The office is like, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna arrest you. I'm gonna arrest you. You're not leaving,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna arrestue. And then eventually they got arrest it

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Speaker 2: and they throw some they really throw a tantrument. They

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Speaker 2: look like a bunch of you know, four year olds

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Speaker 2: who are about to get spanked or something like. They're

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Speaker 2: really out of line, losing their minds on this stuff.

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Speaker 2: And Clay, We've got Columbia, Harvard, NYU, University of Southern California,

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Speaker 2: U T, Austin, UC, Berkeley, Brown, Yale. I mean that's

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Speaker 2: not exhaustive. University of Minnesota. I think all those schools, though,

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Speaker 2: have had this going on. It's remarkable what a really

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Speaker 2: like a contagious hysteria this is for these kids. I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of it comes from the professors too.

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Speaker 2: And what's so troubling to me are a lot of

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Speaker 2: things troubling to me the anti Semitism, the ignorance behind

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Speaker 2: all of this. But also I think it goes with

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Speaker 2: how absolutely soaked top to bottom these campuses are in

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Speaker 2: race politics yea, and how and because otherwise, why do

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Speaker 2: people in Minnesota or Texas, and I say, you know,

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Speaker 2: college campus kids and also professors, why do they care

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Speaker 2: so much of all the wars that have happened, Clay,

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Speaker 2: of all the violence that has gone on in this world,

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Speaker 2: let's say, over the last few years, they care so

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Speaker 2: much more about this one. Where were the solidarity protests,

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Speaker 2: you know, against the Russian invasion? You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: I don't remember any kids screaming and crying on the

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Speaker 2: campus floors about this one. It's because they think of this,

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Speaker 2: as we've always said, and it's true, as a racial

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Speaker 2: domination issue of the Israelis over the Palestinians, a racist invasion.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think this is also important to kind

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Speaker 4: of characterize. You can believe that these people have the

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Speaker 4: right to advocate for whatever position they want, but you

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Speaker 4: can simultaneously believe that you shouldn't be able to take

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Speaker 4: over quads and start to camp there. That is a

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Speaker 4: violation of property rights, that's a violation of codes relating

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Speaker 4: to speech at universities. So I see some people saying, oh,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to cheer on the idea that you

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Speaker 4: can't say whatever you want on campus, but you have

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Speaker 4: to do it in a way and the school should,

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, apply content neutral policies. And so an

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Speaker 4: easy way to think about think through this is what

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Speaker 4: would happen if the KKK decided that they wanted to

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Speaker 4: take over the quad at Columbia and they wanted to

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Speaker 4: argue that black people are subhuman and not deserving of equal.

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Speaker 3: Rights in the United States.

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Speaker 4: Immediately Colombia would clear them off of the quad and

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Speaker 4: they would expel any student that made that argument. Similarly,

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Speaker 4: I think if you said, okay, we believe that trans

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Speaker 4: people should be sterilized to the extent that trans people

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Speaker 4: can even have kids because they're making awful decisions with

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Speaker 4: their bodies, and also that gay people shouldn't have the

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Speaker 4: right to get married, and you wanted to take over

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Speaker 4: Columbia or NYU's campus quad, they would immediately clear you out.

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Speaker 4: So my position on this is we need content neutral

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Speaker 4: policies that are applied, and no one should be able

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Speaker 4: up tents and reside there.

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Speaker 3: And also this is important.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of these people are not students,

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Speaker 4: and I think what they're discovering when they're arresting people

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Speaker 4: old professional protester, and I am truly intrigued with where

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Speaker 4: is the money coming for this suddenly to emerge. There

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Speaker 4: is certainly a virality associated with it where some kids

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Speaker 4: sees the Columbia protest and they decide, Oh, we're going

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Speaker 4: at University of Michigan and in arbor right. Like, you

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Speaker 4: can see how that would spread. There's some viral contagion element,

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Speaker 4: but also there's somebody writing the checks to allow this

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Speaker 4: So where is sort of the puppetteer here deciding that

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Speaker 2: That's the kind of investigation that if the media was

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Speaker 2: of people at the New York Times looking into any

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Speaker 2: funding sources. It has been pointed out a lot of

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Speaker 2: tents that are the same appearing simultaneously at these events

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Speaker 2: seems a little suspect to me. So yeah, but they

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Speaker 2: won't do that, as we know, because they don't want

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Speaker 2: people to know if there is any funding. And usually

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Speaker 2: if someone were to ask me to guess where I

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Speaker 2: think the funding's coming from, it would come from some

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Speaker 2: you'd find, well, where's that ngo getting its money from?

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Speaker 2: A bigger NGO, and where is that getting its money from.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. The Amidis Sorrows, you know, there are a.

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Speaker 2: Couple of ones that I could guess might be funding

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Speaker 2: want us to know. They want to pretend that this

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Speaker 2: is just college kids, you know, standing up for truth

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Speaker 2: and justice. And to the point about they're playing a

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Speaker 2: lot of games with euphemism and a lot of games

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Speaker 2: with the language choices that they use here. As I've

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Speaker 2: said there, as some of them are talking about Zionists,

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, you're not just talking about Zionis. Anybody

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Speaker 2: who lives in Israel I guess they think as a Zionist.

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Speaker 2: But there's a photo up right now, it's an AP

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Speaker 2: victory to the Palestinian resistance sign. And I would just

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Speaker 2: say that for anyone who tries to claim they're not

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Speaker 3: There's no other form.

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Speaker 2: Of Palestinian resistance other than the terrorist entity Hamas in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: No one else is resisting the Israeli military there. They

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Speaker 2: are in fact pro Hamas and and are rooting for Hamas,

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Speaker 2: many of them, whether they recognize it in those terms

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Speaker 2: a Jihattish terror entity that would and does and is

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Speaker 2: literally cry about on the quadrangle. That's who they're shrieking

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think many of these universities we talked about this

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Speaker 4: with the end of the semester, the spring semester and graduation,

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Speaker 4: maybe this will die down. And it is funny, as

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Speaker 4: you pointed out, that they did waited until weather's good

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Speaker 4: enough in many parts of the country to actually be

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Speaker 4: able to camp. They care desperately about this issue, but

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Speaker 4: not desperately enough to actually get cold. So now the

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Speaker 4: weather's good, how does it end and does this linger?

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Speaker 4: I think this one hundred percent is going to be

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Speaker 4: a major issue for Joe Biden in Chicago in the

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Speaker 4: Democrat convention in August. I think these crazy people are

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Speaker 4: going to show up. I think they're going to protest.

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Speaker 4: I think that they are going to make it almost

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Speaker 4: impossible not to be covering the external noise that is

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Speaker 4: surrounding Democrats in August. And will they be back on

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Speaker 4: leading into the election for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: I think the Israeli again a hand down.

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Speaker 2: They're going to finish their operation in Rafa and before

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Speaker 2: any of that happens, and so then it would just

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Speaker 2: be they're protesting what has happened, and that doesn't you know,

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Speaker 2: had previously occurred. I don't see that being enough for them.

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Speaker 2: So I think the Democrats may get a bit of

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Speaker 3: So here's the other question on that.

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Speaker 4: You could be right, what happens if Iran or any

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Speaker 4: whether it's the Hutis, whoever it is, decide that they

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Speaker 4: want to have an October terror attack against Israel. Now

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Speaker 4: it could happen in the United States and that would

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Speaker 4: certainly be an awful October surprise here. But it feels

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Speaker 4: to me very much like the Biden administration and whether

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Speaker 4: this becomes an issue is in many ways out of

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Speaker 3: And I think the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't want, you know, they don't want to go

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Speaker 2: up against Trump. They'd much rather have four more years

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Speaker 2: Trump wouldn't be sitting here like you know, Hamas Palestinians,

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Speaker 2: stuff if he were president, right, he wouldn't play them.

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Speaker 4: If you're if you're Middle Eastern terror actors, you wait

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Speaker 4: And then if if you were anyone, and I truly

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Speaker 3: I think that's true. He's weak, he's feckless.

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Speaker 4: That would be rational terror leadership to say, hey, we

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Speaker 4: some ways. If they're rational actors, that would be a

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Speaker 4: firing more and more missiles play that they could have

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Speaker 4: done something I think far more devastating even than what

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Speaker 4: they did with firing at Israel. Now there was an

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Speaker 4: impressive response. I'm talking about the Iranians down impressive response

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Speaker 4: But I mean the Iranians have cells. They have hesbals

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Speaker 2: I mean they could conduct a terror attack at any

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Speaker 2: about and can I just the Trump Remember the question

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Speaker 2: Trump can kieling Sulimani was, in foreign policy terms, for

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Speaker 2: Iran the ultimate brushback pitch because free and I remember this.

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Speaker 2: I remember in my years at the CIA, being in

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Speaker 2: Iranian militias or Iranian backed militias. Iraqis with Iranian training and

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Speaker 2: money and weapons are killing Americans. We can't get too Oh,

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Speaker 2: we can't kill too many of them, but we can't

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Speaker 3: We're scared of Iran.

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Speaker 2: Trump was like, you know what, if you're the guy

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Speaker 2: doing it, we're going to take you out. That was

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Speaker 2: a huge change. Sorry you have a question, but that

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Speaker 2: was a huge change when he killed Sulimani. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: leave a tease here because I'm curious what your response

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Speaker 2: is on this. We just gave sixty billion more dollars

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Speaker 4: You were just grabbing the Egene Carol appeal. I believe

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Speaker 2: Million dollars defamation verdict is insane. Hey, sometimes I think

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Speaker 3: But he's still got a couple of billion dollars there.

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Speaker 2: All these different things that you would say, yeah, that

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here with us. I wanted to just

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that they are probably right. And here's why.

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Speaker 5: Because the big debate centered around official acts as president

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Speaker 5: be reminded. We're talking about four of the most vague

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Speaker 5: So in the indictment, there are certainly elements that are

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Speaker 5: that fall under official acts. Things get a little murkier

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Speaker 5: an even John Sower, who is representing Donald Trump, admitted that, okay,

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Speaker 5: This gets kicked back to Judge Chuckkin, Tommy Chuckkin, who

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Speaker 4: My biggest takeaway for the particulars of the timing here, Julie,

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Speaker 3: That is a jury.

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Speaker 4: Ruling based on the arguments today, And there are a

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we still obviously have the Southern Florida case

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Speaker 3: Sorry to cut you off.

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Speaker 4: was looking at the calendar. That's kind of the life

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Speaker 4: last case they're basically hearing. That could be a possibility

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Speaker 4: if they wanted to hold it as long as possible.

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Speaker 5: True that the end of their term is June. But

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Speaker 5: to your point, Clay, they can issue orders, I believe

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Speaker 5: after that. So let's see that they do. Kicks back

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Speaker 5: to chuck Kin. You know, after fourth of July week

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Speaker 5: is over, and she immediately orders we're going to hold

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Speaker 5: an evidentiary hearing two three weeks after that, you have

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Speaker 5: to file your emotions response, et cetera. You know, they

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Speaker 5: really start to run out of time. But I'm going

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Speaker 5: to posit something even more terrifying than what we've talked

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Speaker 5: about is going to trial in j six before the election.

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Speaker 5: Is putting Donald Trump on trial after the election. Just

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Speaker 5: imagine for a moment that they have the evidentiary hearings,

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Speaker 5: chuck Kin decides, Okay, this part of the indictment, these

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Speaker 5: xs are official, these aren't. It gets you know, runs,

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Speaker 5: it runs the gamut, and then they toss it back. Okay,

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Speaker 5: this is settled. He can go on trial for private

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Speaker 5: personal Then here are the ones that we determined. Then

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Speaker 5: can you go to trial the end of November December,

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Speaker 5: early January. Even if Trump went, especially if he wins,

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Speaker 5: that's another nightmare scenario that could be created by but.

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Speaker 4: He would be able to pardon himself then in that

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Speaker 4: case if he won, even if he potentially got convicted,

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Speaker 4: You're right, I mean, this is this is honestly, and

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Speaker 4: I don't know why we still do this. I don't

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Speaker 4: know why we have such a long period what you're

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Speaker 4: hitting at, Julie, November fifth until January I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: twentieth or whatever the date is when the officials. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's a long time for a defeated president

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Speaker 4: to remain in office. Historically it used to not be

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Speaker 4: told March, but that was because you had to travel

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Speaker 4: long distances. It's also time, you know, they have a

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Speaker 4: transition that they're trying to prepare for, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I think it's meant to ease the situation, and they

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Speaker 4: didn't prepare for four now going on, really five criminal

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Speaker 4: indictments against one.

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Speaker 3: Of the fan has to be apartment.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that like kind of a bayance area,

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Speaker 4: there is is kind of a message juliually can.

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Speaker 2: Ask you about. You know, this is another one of

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Speaker 2: these things. It's kind of buried today. This is a

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Speaker 2: big deal on any other day. But the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: arguments about whether the president could order a coup and

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Speaker 2: effectively undo the constitutional order or not et cetera. Are

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Speaker 2: are pretty interesting, but eleven of the electors have been

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Speaker 2: indicted in Arizona. The Arizona AG put out a video

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Speaker 2: today Chris mays, what do you make of this? Like,

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Speaker 2: they didn't indict Trump, they indicted Mark Meadows, and you

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Speaker 2: know it's it seems to be somewhat in parallel to

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Speaker 2: or somewhat similar to the Georgia case, at least in

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Speaker 2: terms of some of the conduct.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of all this?

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, I treated this last night, and I

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Speaker 5: hate to say it. You have to envy how democrats

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Speaker 5: understand how to coordinate, conspire and leverage their political power.

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Speaker 5: Here's a guy who probably really didn't or woman who

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Speaker 5: really probably didn't even really win the Arizona Attorney General's race,

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Speaker 5: but it doesn't matter, because as soon as they take office,

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Speaker 5: they leverage and weaponize their power against their political foes.

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Speaker 5: I haven't had a time to go through the whole indictment,

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Speaker 5: just getting ready for today, but you know, this is Georgia,

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Speaker 5: this is Michigan. This is all to bolster the idea.

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Speaker 5: But even though Trump is unindicted co conspirator. It is

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Speaker 5: to bolster what's happening here in this JA sixth federal case.

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Speaker 5: And it's also a signal. And we heard a little

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Speaker 5: bit about this today Emmy Coneybert really is disappointing. But

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Speaker 5: to continue to raise the idea that asking for or

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Speaker 5: having others create alternative electoral certificates is a crime, which

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Speaker 5: it hasn't. The National Archive is told Congress we get

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Speaker 5: fake electoral or MANUFAC exture made up alternative electoral certificates

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Speaker 5: every presidential election. This is not new. So to criminalize

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Speaker 5: it is also to warn people if you protest in

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Speaker 5: any way the twenty twenty four election, whatever happens, whatever

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Speaker 5: stunts you want to pull, whatever you want to do

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Speaker 5: to demonstrate against let's say Joe Biden gets re elected,

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Speaker 5: we are going to use our law fair against you,

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Speaker 5: and there's nothing to stop them. So this is really

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Speaker 5: to i think, add more optics ulster the political and

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Speaker 5: public view that there's something really criminal about concocting or

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Speaker 5: pretending that you're sending in an alternative electoral certificate. Just ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: But so again, such dangerous dissent where we are headed

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Speaker 5: using this law fair, not just federally, but state power too.

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Speaker 4: Julie, last question for you. You mentioned South Florida. You've

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Speaker 4: been covering that Judge Eileen Cannon has allowed a large

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Speaker 4: amount of previously censored materials to be allowed to be

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Speaker 4: displayed publicly. What should we know that is significant about

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Speaker 4: what that has uncovered?

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Speaker 5: We should know And I want to give kudos again

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Speaker 5: to Judge Cannon. I know we've talked a lot about her,

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Speaker 5: but it reveals, and this is why Jack Smith wanted

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Speaker 5: all of this concealed. It reveals Joe Biden's White House,

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Speaker 5: including some of his top attorneys in his General Counsel's office,

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Speaker 5: working collaboratively with the DATE, DOJ and Archives to manufacture

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Speaker 5: a records slash documents case against Donald Trump. This completely

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Speaker 5: flies in the face of what Smith Jacksmith has alleged

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Speaker 5: in his indictment there, but also what we've been told

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Speaker 5: that Joe Biden and his White House is completely hands

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Speaker 5: off from this prosecution, so they were deeply involved, same players,

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Speaker 5: dj FBI, the Archives, the intelligence community. This is like

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Speaker 5: getting the Russia Gate by the gate bound back together.

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Speaker 5: So kudos to her. There's going to be more on

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Speaker 5: feelings today. I will be posting later. Juli underscore Kelly two,

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Speaker 5: which is the grand jury transcript of that up while

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Speaker 5: team not a Trump's close personal aid also who has

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Speaker 5: been charged in that case as.

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Speaker 3: Well, Julie Grand Jury.

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Speaker 4: We should mention, by the way, buck that took place

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Speaker 4: in Washington, d C. Before they then flipped the proceeding

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Speaker 4: all the way down to South Florida, So the judge

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Speaker 4: Cannon wasn't in charge of this.

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Speaker 2: Julie Kelly Substack. You can all subscribe Julie real quick

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Speaker 2: before I let you go. I know Clay said last question,

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Speaker 2: but I'm throwing in a last question because I'm really curious.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the biggest legal risk for Trump

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Speaker 2: is now? Of all of the cases and scenarios.

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Speaker 5: I mean, right now, I have to think what's happening

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Speaker 5: in New York.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I thought you might say that because Clay and

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Speaker 2: I were just talking about that. This actual I think

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Speaker 2: what we see happening puts more pressure on them to

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Speaker 2: get even crazier in New York City where they just

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Speaker 2: have full control and there's really no oversight. Go check out,

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Speaker 2: Julie Substack. Everybody declassified. Julie always appreciate you being with us.

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Speaker 5: Thanks, guys, have good days.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. You know

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Speaker 4: that I like to look in Julie's phenomenal. I'd encourage

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Speaker 4: all of you to go follow everything that Julie Kelly's

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Speaker 4: been saying. She has been in terms of analysis and

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Speaker 4: trying to look in the direction that we are going

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Speaker 4: better than almost anybody out there. Everybody was ridiculing the

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Speaker 4: idea that the Supreme Court was going to take up

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Speaker 4: this obstruction case as to whether or not it could

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Speaker 4: be applied from a business perspective passed for sar Urbain's

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Speaker 4: ox League being used on jan six cases. She was right,

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Speaker 4: they're going to strike it down. I think she's right

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Speaker 4: that there is only going to be now one case

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Speaker 4: completed before we get to November, which makes me wonder

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Speaker 4: Buck and I do think that everybody needs to prepare

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Speaker 4: for this as the realization starts to set in that

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Speaker 4: all of this legal wrangling.

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Speaker 3: They thought, we're.

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Speaker 4: Gonna have Donald Trump in court March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November,

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Speaker 4: all the way up to election day.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna hit him with federal charges.

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Speaker 4: There's gonna be major convictions, and Joe Biden's going to

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Speaker 4: ride into the sunset and win. Now, they're probably not

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Speaker 4: gonna get Trump in court at all. I don't think

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Speaker 4: in terms of daily until I mean, let's say this

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Speaker 4: case ends buck mid June. Something like that may end

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Speaker 4: up sooner than that. They may or may not get

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Speaker 4: a conviction. But I think what you're going to see

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Speaker 4: as a result is, and we've been hitting at this,

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Speaker 4: but I think you need to prepare for it. They're

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Speaker 4: going to dial up the crazy in terms of the

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Speaker 4: punishment that they're going to try to get on Trump

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Speaker 4: as they become aware, h oh, this is the only

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Speaker 4: bite at the apple we're going to get.

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Speaker 2: They are, they would be doing so much. I agree

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Speaker 2: with that assessment. You and I talked about it, you

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Speaker 2: brought it up. I agree. Julie comes on. She says

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Speaker 2: it without knowing that we had just agreed on this one,

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Speaker 2: which makes me feel like this is what the trend

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Speaker 2: certainly is right now, or this is where the momentum is.

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Speaker 2: New York, which was the first one to go, the

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Speaker 2: easiest for them to bring in terms of they were

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Speaker 2: basically guaranteed full control over the process because of the

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Speaker 2: jurisdiction and because of the far left progressive prosecutor Alvin Bragg,

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Speaker 2: who is calling the shots there. But the damage that

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Speaker 2: they will do to any faith that we could have

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Speaker 2: in our legal system if they're able to use New

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Speaker 2: York as this weapon. The charges in New York are

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Speaker 2: a joke, an unfunny joke, but they're preposterous. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: put anyone in prison, nor convict anyone, any human being.

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Speaker 2: If Alvin Bragg himself we're sitting there charged with doing

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Speaker 2: what Trump is doing, and I were on that jury,

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Speaker 2: I would not convict it.

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Speaker 3: It's wrong.

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Speaker 2: It's wrong what they are doing. The charges are wrong.

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Speaker 2: The stacking them the way they've done it is wrong.

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Speaker 2: The delaying it's so that it comes in the election

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Speaker 2: year is wrong, clay top to bottom, inexcusable. And now

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Speaker 2: it's looking more and more like that's their great hope

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Speaker 2: to defeat Donald Trump. That's how they're gonna get four

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Speaker 2: more years for Joe Biden the business records charge in

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Speaker 2: New York.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna play some audio from this Supreme Court case

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Speaker 4: that we've got for you, and we come back. I

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Speaker 4: also want to point out, and I know I'm the optimist,

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Speaker 4: they are gambling odds today. There are gambling odds that

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