Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Sean Merriman A one of
Speaker 1: hand effect. Boom boom boom, out go the lights. This
Speaker 1: is Lights Out with Sean Merriman. What's up, guys. We're
Speaker 1: back again with another Lights Out podcast with me Sean Merriman,
Speaker 1: And we got uh, one of my former team names,
Speaker 1: but one of my favorite guys man and Um coming
Speaker 1: in as a rookie with the Charges. We got some
Speaker 1: great stories. You guys are here in a minute. Uh,
Speaker 1: the best fullback has ever played the game, one of
Speaker 1: the funniest guys in the locker room and one of
Speaker 1: the hardest workers I ever came across and got a
Speaker 1: chance to play with. Uh. Lorenz O'Neill, Um, one of
Speaker 1: the all time greats. Man and at a dying position.
Speaker 1: They don't use the fullback as quite as much as
Speaker 1: they used to, but I've seen some fullbacks on my day,
Speaker 1: and I have a little bit of a bias. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, Man, we got after, we got
Speaker 1: after a few times so much that we had to
Speaker 1: come up with the brother in law system. So will
Speaker 1: I'll explain that what that is. But again, one of
Speaker 1: the best has ever done it, Lorenz O'Neill well, what's up?
Speaker 1: What's up? Brother? Everything good? Everything is everything lights out, man.
Speaker 1: It's always good to be able to hanging out with
Speaker 1: my guy, my man, the man, the myth, the legend,
Speaker 1: the one and only guys that ever really really really
Speaker 1: really really really really gave me the business that I'm
Speaker 1: still still I'm still mad at it. Every now and then,
Speaker 1: sew at least once a month, I have nightmares about
Speaker 1: when you gave me my first flying lessons, and uh
Speaker 1: it was night me. I wake up screaming, no, did
Speaker 1: that really happen? No? No, But okay, so look this,
Speaker 1: and so I want to just kind of break it
Speaker 1: down for anybody who didn't hear right, So just what happened.
Speaker 1: So I held out my my rookie year coming and
Speaker 1: I came in late, and uh, the first day that
Speaker 1: I actually got to the facility and I signed the deal,
Speaker 1: it was the day we had pads. It was our
Speaker 1: first day as a padded practice. And also that first
Speaker 1: day it happened to be uh fan day. Look, it
Speaker 1: was you know, three to four thousand people out there too.
Speaker 1: So you know I'm coming in, I'm getting on the
Speaker 1: field the first time. I'm gonna tell and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you what really got out of my skin, because
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this or not, but
Speaker 1: I think it was it was Phil. It was Rivers
Speaker 1: who saying something to the Union, to the Union tribute
Speaker 1: about me not being there. Oh, you know Rookie and
Speaker 1: he needs to be here in this this. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: all of this. I'm back home in Maryland and I'm
Speaker 1: piste off. I'm like, man, I want to be out
Speaker 1: there with everybody else, but for that reason of the contract,
Speaker 1: I'm not there. So when I got there the first day,
Speaker 1: I'm fired up right, and the fans are there, so
Speaker 1: they didn't help because they just the fans are gassing
Speaker 1: me up. I'm going over the bags and I'm doing
Speaker 1: a little in and out drills. I'm not even doing
Speaker 1: anything special, but every time I go and I just
Speaker 1: one little pass rushing move and I'm like, they're gassing
Speaker 1: me up. So then we got the one on one
Speaker 1: uh pass Russians drills with the running backs and fullbacks,
Speaker 1: and that was that was my That was my first
Speaker 1: time coming in there, but I didn't And this is
Speaker 1: I'm just the honest god letting finishing. This is this
Speaker 1: is the honest of God truth that trill. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that we were supposed to do a move and
Speaker 1: go around because it was a pass rushing move. I
Speaker 1: was just thinking, like, I'm all hyped up. I'm gassed up.
Speaker 1: They got me all hyped on the first day. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just I'm gonna just set the tone. So I
Speaker 1: just go as hard as I can. And I seen
Speaker 1: you step up to block me, and it just it
Speaker 1: never really clicked until that time when the crowd when
Speaker 1: I hit, when we hit each other and I hit
Speaker 1: you and they and I was I was excited for
Speaker 1: about seconds and if something clicked in my mind and
Speaker 1: I knew that I just messed up. Say it, I
Speaker 1: knew I just messed up, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I didn't didn't really click to me. That was
Speaker 1: Lorenz O'Neil. Yeah, I know I'm telling you, man, but
Speaker 1: he and okay, so let me let me fast forward.
Speaker 1: I got I got low and the crowd hopping me,
Speaker 1: hyping me up, and where he felt they all patted
Speaker 1: him back, and John Pagano, the linebacker coach Monusky, they
Speaker 1: all hyping me up. Yeah. I go back up to
Speaker 1: the line and I think it was another running back
Speaker 1: that was there, Andrew Pennock or I think with somebody
Speaker 1: up there was going up. Lorenz O'Neil came and moved
Speaker 1: the running back out the way because he wanted he
Speaker 1: wanted another second shot. So I'm I'm still I'm flying high, right.
Speaker 1: I just got lorenzo'neil, the best fullback, and I played
Speaker 1: the game. I'm hyped up. I go down. I tried
Speaker 1: the same move and I tell you, hit me squared
Speaker 1: down the middle. And still to this day, I won't
Speaker 1: forget the filing because my fingers and my face was
Speaker 1: hot and was tingling. And I said, from that day on,
Speaker 1: I'm never doing that again. So then we created the
Speaker 1: brother in law. It had to be brother in law
Speaker 1: may because I'm telling you, either you was gonna kill me,
Speaker 1: I was gonna kill you, and I was, and I
Speaker 1: don't like to lose. So I was thinking about the name.
Speaker 1: I went home that night, thought about bringing my butter
Speaker 1: knife and if I don't know if that was sharp enough,
Speaker 1: like I got an another knife, but it's pretty sharp,
Speaker 1: my knife so sharp shot. I'm waving in the ara
Speaker 1: to cut you. So I was gonna cut you. So
Speaker 1: no It was awesome. Man. It was an experience for
Speaker 1: me because you know, you go out there and it's
Speaker 1: one on one. You look forward to that, and you
Speaker 1: know you're a rookie. You're coming in and everyone's talking
Speaker 1: about this kid from Maryland. This guy he's got the phone,
Speaker 1: he's got he's got that bump, he's a player. And
Speaker 1: so you think, okay, I've been around this thing. This
Speaker 1: is my first rodeo. Say I'm gonna go up here
Speaker 1: and see with this young pub cast, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't supposed to be supposed to be thug. You kind
Speaker 1: of make a movie. You supposed to beat the running
Speaker 1: back or you know you could through them. But this dude,
Speaker 1: he look, I'm gonna tell you right now, I wasn't ready.
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready, but I thought I was ready, but
Speaker 1: I really wasn't ready because you brought that. You brought
Speaker 1: that we I mean, it was that. I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my goodness. And I remember when you keep me and
Speaker 1: I felt your hips just unlocking this and leash and
Speaker 1: I was like, when I felt it was so amazing
Speaker 1: because I was on my feet and I was like,
Speaker 1: I get so weak in the knees. I can hardly speak.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the things some s w we
Speaker 1: you be. I can hardly I lose all controls because
Speaker 1: something came over me and I was flying. It's like
Speaker 1: you want to get away. I think it. Southwest wasn't
Speaker 1: even around. I don't like At the time, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this boy, this is a real young This is a
Speaker 1: full grown fed bull. This is a full grown man here.
Speaker 1: So I knew that day that the Chargers had something.
Speaker 1: I knew that day that we had the guy that
Speaker 1: was going to set a tone. Knew that that day
Speaker 1: that Sean was gonna be special. And uh, a guy
Speaker 1: that you looked at and you're gonna revere because you
Speaker 1: brought that. You brought it as a you brought it
Speaker 1: every year you played. You had that motivation and a
Speaker 1: lot of guys don't have that it factor, and you
Speaker 1: had that it factor. And that's something you gotta be
Speaker 1: born with where you you were going to, no matter what,
Speaker 1: go to your hare glass and and that's your ability
Speaker 1: that you had and no matter what. That's why I
Speaker 1: love being a teammate of yours. Why I love that
Speaker 1: you were my teammate. I loved you know what you
Speaker 1: brought to the table as a young man, as a
Speaker 1: young player in the league, you know, So it was great, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the lights out the dance and
Speaker 1: just the moments that we shared, you know, in San
Speaker 1: Diego and to be able to play with guys like
Speaker 1: yourself was just it was it was an honor if
Speaker 1: it was an honor for me. Man, you don't you see,
Speaker 1: you don't for me. I don't think you even understand
Speaker 1: how much that mean to me. Because you also played
Speaker 1: on some teams like they had some linebackers. Man, I
Speaker 1: mean there was stacked and you know, over the course
Speaker 1: of your career, and I think that my rookie when
Speaker 1: I got there, you were in the eleventh You were
Speaker 1: in your eleventh of twelfth year, Rightwhember, And I remember, man,
Speaker 1: we so me and Lowell used to hit it three
Speaker 1: or four the days a week after practice I'm talking
Speaker 1: about so we got to work out in the morning,
Speaker 1: but we'll go back for seconds. After practice. We used
Speaker 1: to I don't know if you remember this, but we
Speaker 1: used to do the the what we used to walk
Speaker 1: the rack with shoulder shrugs. So what it was it
Speaker 1: was started the hundreds and work our way all the
Speaker 1: way down to yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, And I
Speaker 1: just remember my shoulders being on fire so bad and
Speaker 1: I couldn't drive home. Some days. We used to get
Speaker 1: in that gym and go after it. We would. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I loved, Sean, that I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, let me see if this young boy can hang.
Speaker 1: And you know me, I was. I was one of
Speaker 1: those guys that worked for Enduring. So I had stammin
Speaker 1: or thirty forty times and shrugs like you said, but
Speaker 1: you was like, let's go, low, let's go and you
Speaker 1: would be just like, no, I' something me and you.
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing that that that drove me
Speaker 1: to be able to get great guys like yourself and
Speaker 1: play with I mean, think about the guys that I
Speaker 1: played with over my experience and over say something. Because
Speaker 1: we we had the reunion the other day and now, yeah,
Speaker 1: I completely forgot that you played with I played with Ricky,
Speaker 1: Ricky Jackson, Hall of Fame, Sam Mills, the great Sam
Speaker 1: Mills and film mouse is you know, it's no longer
Speaker 1: here passed resting peace, Von Johnson, who had the biggest
Speaker 1: head in the world. Von Johnson, a great linebacker Pat
Speaker 1: Swelling were Donald Trembo. I had to. I played with
Speaker 1: the Dome Patrol, the Dome Patrol in New Orleans. I
Speaker 1: mean that that they they taught me how to play.
Speaker 1: I remember Sean going to training camp and Brad Muster
Speaker 1: just came from the Bears and it was training Campain
Speaker 1: He's injured with the hamstring, and I'm a rookie and
Speaker 1: I'm the only fullback up and everyone else's hurt. So
Speaker 1: I'm out there. And I remember bringing Ricky Jackson and
Speaker 1: those guys pizza and beer. One night. I said, man,
Speaker 1: y'all take it easy tomorrow, linebackers, especially nine on seven.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, cool. So I brought a bear and
Speaker 1: stuff and pizza. That first play, I'm getting the look,
Speaker 1: you know, you give the little brella in law. Look.
Speaker 1: He came in and hit me so hard. Bro, it
Speaker 1: was like one of your hits, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And then Sam Dennis took his turn
Speaker 1: on me. Von Johnson, well, I knew that I had
Speaker 1: and we were doing nine O seven and we did
Speaker 1: that twice a day. Sean, we would practice. Jim Moore
Speaker 1: had us fact in three times a day sometimes, so
Speaker 1: in Pad's full path. So you gotta realize who I
Speaker 1: played with him. So those guys I had no I
Speaker 1: had no alternative. I had to get tough. And then
Speaker 1: you know, I leave there and I go to the
Speaker 1: Jets pep for Johnson, Remember guys like Pepper Johnson. Thinking
Speaker 1: about those guys I've played with some some mean, mean
Speaker 1: guys that were from Florida State. And you've seen these cats.
Speaker 1: Are how good they were? Moe Johnson and Moe and
Speaker 1: and Mo what he played Maurice, Maurice played forever in
Speaker 1: the league, of course, And then you don't you think about, um,
Speaker 1: I'm going over to tennessee the freak Javon curse. And
Speaker 1: you know, Ronald, all these guys that I played with,
Speaker 1: you know was was was unbel unbelievable players. And then
Speaker 1: of course you know, you know one in San Diego
Speaker 1: with you and and and you and Sean Phillips and
Speaker 1: you know Foley. But man, I'm telling you, when you
Speaker 1: look at the list and those guys, and then of
Speaker 1: course I'll be remissed about Remember mentioned Raymond playing with
Speaker 1: ray Lewis and playing with you know, t Sizzle and
Speaker 1: those guys and and and and and bart Scott, So
Speaker 1: it was it was crazy. The guys that I played
Speaker 1: with and Joey Porter, the guys that I played against,
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. But Sean, I'm telling you right now, you
Speaker 1: have your race in there and that's that's the and
Speaker 1: and for me to sell you that, man, I'm telling
Speaker 1: for me to say, this dude belong in there with
Speaker 1: all these guys in that area where they can you know,
Speaker 1: if you could hold your own, man, that that that
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that that that means a lot. That
Speaker 1: means a lot. That's that that's is a whole lot, man,
Speaker 1: Because those were some of my favorite players growing up.
Speaker 1: And you start watching the nastiness of some of these
Speaker 1: linebackers and obviously, you know, the league has changed tremendously
Speaker 1: and for for obvious reasons, and they're trying to protect players.
Speaker 1: I get it, And maybe even a mentality a little
Speaker 1: bit has now shifted, right because back when, you know,
Speaker 1: even when we were playing, it was a lot nasty.
Speaker 1: But we would have some days and Marty Schotenhama, we
Speaker 1: were we were before go. We would take to the ground.
Speaker 1: You know, he'll he'll put, you know, put in the
Speaker 1: red zone and you got how many players getting red zone,
Speaker 1: but some of those, some of those are all going live.
Speaker 1: You would never you would never see that nowadays like
Speaker 1: ever again now you won't. You won't and we and
Speaker 1: we did have that in it. And it's crazy when
Speaker 1: you think about that, how Marty had us scoring nine
Speaker 1: on seven and we're full pads going to the going
Speaker 1: to the ground. Those days are over. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why you see a lot of more injuries down too,
Speaker 1: because guy's skin and they they don't get callous, they
Speaker 1: don't hate used to that hitting. That's why you see
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks a lot of injuries, I
Speaker 1: think too, because guys aren't used to it. The impact
Speaker 1: and the things that they're doing. I do understand why
Speaker 1: they're doing it. And you know another saving guys and
Speaker 1: helping guys and prolonging their career and no helmet, the
Speaker 1: helmet of different things that that guy. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you and I could have played it now, Sean,
Speaker 1: I mean helmet the helmet you all you did was
Speaker 1: used that big hit, do you know, to hit people
Speaker 1: and this launch them from the ball. So to take
Speaker 1: a lot of things have changed since then, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: for the for the good of the game, I guess,
Speaker 1: but it's just football man's there's a sport that you
Speaker 1: have to make sure that your body is prepared because
Speaker 1: it's heat seeking missiles out there and the guy and
Speaker 1: it's still a lot of a lot of contact going
Speaker 1: on out there, no for sure, and you had to
Speaker 1: live up to it. Now you know. We had the
Speaker 1: Charges reunion the other day. We had me lt was
Speaker 1: you who else we have Antonio Crimardi, Darrens Bros, Quentin
Speaker 1: Jamma and Antonio Gates Man and it was it was
Speaker 1: cool to see everybody. And I'll tell you that one
Speaker 1: of my funniest memories and I don't and now you
Speaker 1: probably remember this. I don't know if my first year, second,
Speaker 1: but I think it was one of those rookie dinners
Speaker 1: where we went shot for shot. Remember remember that. Listen
Speaker 1: when I when I tell the guys, when I tell
Speaker 1: you that it was competition every sample day in the
Speaker 1: weight room, out the weight room, if we went out
Speaker 1: to dinner, it was it was a credit when we
Speaker 1: had the credit card roulette or the credit card roulette
Speaker 1: and the dinner can get up thousand two whatever the
Speaker 1: whatever the number was. But it was one night, particular
Speaker 1: night that we all went out and we started. It
Speaker 1: was like, I think it was a rookie dinner right.
Speaker 1: The second the second year was going to my to
Speaker 1: my towards oh six, we were downtown and we started
Speaker 1: to drain. They brought out a out of Tequilla. So
Speaker 1: so Lowanil looked at me and was like, keep going.
Speaker 1: I think I was still rookie. You're not a rookie
Speaker 1: to you till you actually four games into your second year,
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, let's rook let's go. So
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. I look back at you and
Speaker 1: I said, all right, ship, well let's go, right, I
Speaker 1: think I did. I did? You did four or five
Speaker 1: shots and I did four or five shots? Right, Tequilla,
Speaker 1: I did least at least at the least at least
Speaker 1: four or five at least I think that we did.
Speaker 1: I'm not lying to you, Low because I did. Still
Speaker 1: to this day, I tell this story is probably the
Speaker 1: most shots I've been taken in my life. Right, but
Speaker 1: I was not going to stop. I was not going
Speaker 1: to stop unless you stop, right, And what's what do
Speaker 1: you remember? I trust me? You say, do you remember
Speaker 1: I remember to a point, and then I knew that
Speaker 1: I said I better go. So I tried to play
Speaker 1: it off, and I'm going I'm left before. I don't
Speaker 1: know you got you. I think you guys went out afterwards. No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you what I
Speaker 1: did in Man. Still, to this day, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think you have a noticed right. So I
Speaker 1: think we were about were close to the piece. At
Speaker 1: least I stayed there. Could we wait downtown? And I
Speaker 1: stayed in the hotel downtown. And this is the first
Speaker 1: time I'm telling you this because I always wanted you
Speaker 1: to think that night I'll drink you. But I went
Speaker 1: down to the hotel, I moved and I stayed in
Speaker 1: a hotel. I took all the TV to the TVs
Speaker 1: and everything off of the dresser in the hotel room,
Speaker 1: and I took the pillows and blanket and I slept
Speaker 1: on the dresser. I woke up and the TV, the
Speaker 1: TV and everything was on the ground and I was
Speaker 1: sleeping on the dresser. Hey bro, I feel you you
Speaker 1: were sleeping on the dresser that I slept on the
Speaker 1: dress of that night. Hey bro, I'm telling you right
Speaker 1: now I don't know if I woke up in my closet.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I woke up, but I know
Speaker 1: one thing I don't know. It was like I said
Speaker 1: I gotta get home. All I did is I said
Speaker 1: I gotta get home. So I remember jumping in the
Speaker 1: cab or Safe Pride at the time, and I said,
Speaker 1: take me home, take me. They were like, oh, let's
Speaker 1: go out. No, take me home. I knew if I
Speaker 1: could just get home, and I was like, I'm going strict.
Speaker 1: I knew not to talk to anybody. It was like
Speaker 1: it was over, bro, it was over. I remember waking
Speaker 1: up and not knowing where I was at um in
Speaker 1: the guest room. I'm just like, where am I at
Speaker 1: my And then you know I looked and seeing I
Speaker 1: had like thirty misscalls, you know, because of course, you know,
Speaker 1: unfortunately would have happened that night with with Folali. So
Speaker 1: that was that night. Remember that same night, the same night,
Speaker 1: same night. So I was like, no way, no way,
Speaker 1: So you know, it was you know, it was just
Speaker 1: one of those crazy nights. So man, we we we
Speaker 1: had some times and people that are listening to the
Speaker 1: podcast and looking at it and seeing us to chat Man.
Speaker 1: Life is life is so precious, and I think when
Speaker 1: people are younger, Sean, I think you can attest it
Speaker 1: this too, that you know, you feel invincible, and not
Speaker 1: only do you feel a ment, but you just feel like, look,
Speaker 1: you're old this and you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: And and sometimes when you're an athlete or entertainer or
Speaker 1: whatever you might be, at times sometimes you you just
Speaker 1: feel like if you don't, you're not in the real world.
Speaker 1: It's not really real. And it's hard sometimes for entertainers
Speaker 1: to realize, hey, look you are human. And of course
Speaker 1: you know you're human, but you you you feel like
Speaker 1: you walk to a different drum. You can get into.
Speaker 1: You you don't have to wait in any lines. If
Speaker 1: you want to go to a doctor, you know, you
Speaker 1: get your own private doctors. Anything you need. It's like time.
Speaker 1: You don't have time. So you feel like and they
Speaker 1: make you feel as if there's nobody more important than
Speaker 1: you and and Sean, it's it's it's it's a false
Speaker 1: sense of security. So I challenge you because if you
Speaker 1: know who you are and what people look up to
Speaker 1: you is it's educate these young men and talk to
Speaker 1: these young men because it's tough man, because you're a
Speaker 1: grown man, planning kids game, getting the King's ransom, and
Speaker 1: you're three years old, you're out of college, you're out
Speaker 1: of college, and now you step into that space and
Speaker 1: you're there and it's like no one's there. There's no
Speaker 1: checks and balance if you're not careful, and you yes,
Speaker 1: and you know you've seen we've seen offensive line. Then
Speaker 1: you remember a Levier, Shane Let, all these guys that
Speaker 1: had had the tiger by the tail. And sometimes you
Speaker 1: could have one split moment where you lose focus, one
Speaker 1: moment two or three nights where you freaking do something,
Speaker 1: you try try drug and all of a sudden you're addicted.
Speaker 1: One bad instant and all of a sudden you have
Speaker 1: changed your life. You change your trajections, trajectory on everything
Speaker 1: that you know. So it's tough man. We're just blacks,
Speaker 1: blessed and lucky that you know we were able to
Speaker 1: be safe during our plane case. And that's you know, low,
Speaker 1: that's right. Because even when we had our union the
Speaker 1: other day and everybody we were talking. One thing that
Speaker 1: I will always still say is when you're in it,
Speaker 1: it goes so fast, and you really it's it's so
Speaker 1: fast you don't really understand what's going on around Like
Speaker 1: still to the day. It blows my mind. And you know,
Speaker 1: I played on the team with that that many potential
Speaker 1: Hall of famers, right, I mean LG obviously being able.
Speaker 1: You got Antonio Gates up. Uh, you know, phild is
Speaker 1: probably at some point if he keeps, you know, keep
Speaker 1: up another one or two season, he might get in here.
Speaker 1: He should get in and then you man, I mean seriously,
Speaker 1: we I know, we we I talked about it a
Speaker 1: while ago. And you are you are up currently, right
Speaker 1: you are? Yeah, been on the been on the list
Speaker 1: and stuff several several years. But you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's awesome to just be mentioned and to be
Speaker 1: on the list, and you know, and to you know,
Speaker 1: to be considered one of the greatest you know, you
Speaker 1: know that played your position, you know, a position that
Speaker 1: you know that's dying, it's a dying breed. But to
Speaker 1: be there and to be considered one of the greatest,
Speaker 1: and to to have that and just to be on
Speaker 1: that list. When you look at that list and you
Speaker 1: see so many greats, it's that played the game with
Speaker 1: you or before you are after you. You're like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just blessed, you know, just just that you know,
Speaker 1: the people recognize that John now, man, I tell you,
Speaker 1: and I've played against Strong and I played against you know,
Speaker 1: some of these other fullbacks, and obviously you're the best,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the best fullbacks ever played the game.
Speaker 1: But I also think that, um just how the whole
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame think system is set up that they
Speaker 1: should you should get in right, because that if you
Speaker 1: look at the fullback position now, it's not as like
Speaker 1: it was back then. Right, It's just it's just position.
Speaker 1: It's not because it's not They don't they don't utilize
Speaker 1: the fullback position as much. And I just I just
Speaker 1: feel like me personally and I got a chance to
Speaker 1: be at the Hall of Fame uh speech with Ray
Speaker 1: I went for obviously I went for lt S. But
Speaker 1: I was in the room with Ray Lewis, you know,
Speaker 1: doing his fall, and I was like, man, I was thinking,
Speaker 1: all and then that want to hit me when all
Speaker 1: the guys that played with that are going to be
Speaker 1: you know, potential Hall of Famers, And if everything is
Speaker 1: moving so fast at the time that you you don't
Speaker 1: slow down enough to even when I got done. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh ship, you know, yeah, I played with
Speaker 1: you know, three four potential Hall of famers and that
Speaker 1: was cool, Like it's cool for me to talk about Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I man, Shina, I totally understand that. And you're Shin
Speaker 1: and you look at and I think that if you
Speaker 1: look at anyone and if you know unfortunately you think
Speaker 1: people people injuries, things that happened that set people back.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to realize you you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you I know, you have to sit back at times
Speaker 1: and wonder what if what if you know Sean's never injured,
Speaker 1: or what if you do have to because your trajectority,
Speaker 1: what you have thirteen sacks, four teen sacks? Well, so
Speaker 1: I mean you look at what the numbers and how
Speaker 1: you would dominate a game that at your position, and
Speaker 1: you know you're making all pro and all with you
Speaker 1: to how you would take over a game. You know it.
Speaker 1: People can't do that. It's hard to do that at
Speaker 1: that position, to take over a game at that position.
Speaker 1: It's hard to go out there in any position and
Speaker 1: take over like LT would take over a game or
Speaker 1: Gates take over a game, and it's hard for you.
Speaker 1: This as a linebacker to go and have your imprint
Speaker 1: where you're you're going against tackles and running back and
Speaker 1: you still take over and you dominate and you take over.
Speaker 1: Your impact is on that and you're you're beating guys
Speaker 1: that are twice your size doing there and they have
Speaker 1: no answer. And that's that's tough. Those are position that
Speaker 1: it's a skill position, but it's a it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's tough. You're in the trenches. But you have to
Speaker 1: realize not just strength, not just technique, but mindset. All
Speaker 1: those things have to be accounted for for you to
Speaker 1: go take over a game and go get three four sacks,
Speaker 1: be out and intercept the ball, strip almost make tackles.
Speaker 1: It's tough to do. And that's what that's what a
Speaker 1: lot of players don't understand the impact that you had
Speaker 1: on the game. And I just you know, we I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, we talked about it when you first came in,
Speaker 1: and just what your impact of the game. Like, my god,
Speaker 1: this guy stays injury free, he's gonna be hund a
Speaker 1: million dollar player. Remember guys were saying that from Rablis,
Speaker 1: all those guys saying that, and it's like, dude, you
Speaker 1: it's got to be you know, you, you know, and
Speaker 1: the people that know you and the teams that played
Speaker 1: against you and people that know you. Uh, they man,
Speaker 1: here is the guy that you know was a dominant player,
Speaker 1: totally dominant player. Injury into injury, injury, buck strikes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and to be honest, as you said, it took
Speaker 1: me a while to get over that because I've always
Speaker 1: probably my year or two after I got done, it
Speaker 1: took me a couple of years like oh, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm okay. And what really helped me? Man, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I was in the room with ray Lewis doing his
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Like they ain't nothing like that knock
Speaker 1: like they coming knock from your door for the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. You're sitting there, You're waiting on it, waiting
Speaker 1: for the knock. You know, that knock like you might
Speaker 1: people might knock on the door, come by, but when
Speaker 1: that knock comes, you know, that's the knock that you're
Speaker 1: waiting for. And so for me, it was kind of
Speaker 1: like just to even experienced that. But yeah, I've always
Speaker 1: you know, thought the first two years and I was done,
Speaker 1: I was like, god, dude, you know, and I see
Speaker 1: the people getting the jacket, and I was at lt
Speaker 1: S and I was at RAISED. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I should be up here. But that's what kind of
Speaker 1: got me into like, you know, training the m m
Speaker 1: A and doing more stuff in the m m A
Speaker 1: world because I just like to compete, like to get
Speaker 1: after it, and I want to I want to tell
Speaker 1: this funny story because I don't know if you remember
Speaker 1: this right. So, so Lorenzo is friends with James Light's
Speaker 1: out Tony, and so I said, you know where I'm
Speaker 1: going with this, So people don't out there don't know.
Speaker 1: So this is what happened, right. So I'm it's just
Speaker 1: probably around two thousand six or two thousand seven somewhere
Speaker 1: around there. And I'm at the practice facility and I'm
Speaker 1: working out right and I saw that I had two
Speaker 1: mess calls from you. So I was in the shower.
Speaker 1: I came and I was walking, I was walking in
Speaker 1: the gym, and I answer the phone right away. So
Speaker 1: I get done working out and I got a I
Speaker 1: got a three minute, almost a two or three minute
Speaker 1: message from from low Neil, and I'm looking at my phone.
Speaker 1: I'm the first thing I started to think about, is
Speaker 1: you pocket down, was like he just must have pocketed out,
Speaker 1: and he left a three minute message. So I go
Speaker 1: and I finished, I shower up, I put my clothes on,
Speaker 1: and uh, I listened to the message. And on this
Speaker 1: message it was Aimes lights out Tony on those phone.
Speaker 1: So I was like, hold on what and and James
Speaker 1: Tony was like, you stole my name, mother, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come with your comeing up. You know I'm talking about
Speaker 1: for three for three minutes, he was. He was mad.
Speaker 1: So and this is this is a true story. So
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there here, I mean called me every mother
Speaker 1: f under the sun. He's calling me everything, right, So
Speaker 1: I was, I was, So I went, so I'm piste
Speaker 1: off now. So he wanted remember he wanted to fight.
Speaker 1: So I go and I go to my locker. I
Speaker 1: got gloves I got I don't have mm A gloves.
Speaker 1: I got boxing gloves in there. But I wanted to
Speaker 1: fight him. M m A right, you told me what Jim,
Speaker 1: you guys were at. So I put my clothes, I
Speaker 1: put my workout stuff back on. See I didn't see.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I told you. I put
Speaker 1: my workout back on. I went to my car my
Speaker 1: gloves already in there. And then I went to the
Speaker 1: gym that you guys. I went to the gym that
Speaker 1: you guys at because I wanted to come. He to
Speaker 1: fight me for for lights out. James Tony wanted to
Speaker 1: fight me for lights up. And I showed up at
Speaker 1: the gym and the train of the guy who runs
Speaker 1: on own the gym. He told me, you guys just
Speaker 1: left about I was, man, I'm telling Low, I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell you how piste off I was. I went back
Speaker 1: and changed my clothing meeting, and I wasn't gonna box
Speaker 1: because you know, you're talking about one of the best
Speaker 1: that I never did it, but may I was gonna
Speaker 1: show take him to the ground. I'm gonna take him
Speaker 1: to the ground of whale on him right. So I
Speaker 1: got there. Then I never forget that day because all
Speaker 1: people like, oh yeah James, I said, yeah, James Tony,
Speaker 1: he's one of the best boxes who ever did it.
Speaker 1: But that day he wanted to fight me for for
Speaker 1: lights out, and I was all game, all games. I
Speaker 1: remember him leaving that message that I know you, he said, Low.
Speaker 1: I came down. I knew he was hot, I knew
Speaker 1: what he was leaving that mess, I said, I know
Speaker 1: Sean right now, his ears is just burden. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: glad that you didn't get the phone because I know
Speaker 1: you would have came down there and it would have
Speaker 1: been because you pick him up, grabbing because you ain't
Speaker 1: gonna box. And of course he had knocked you out
Speaker 1: and knocked me out. You you turned into just a
Speaker 1: wrestling match and turned into you know, that's just how
Speaker 1: it goes. But no, man, it was I just appreciate
Speaker 1: your heart that the stories that we have and people
Speaker 1: knew the things that we've been through, and that's what
Speaker 1: I think that's weird shot. I think that you'd agree
Speaker 1: here too, that you know, kind of switching and just
Speaker 1: changing gears is when you think about what we've accomplished
Speaker 1: and we think about the sports that we were, the
Speaker 1: sport that we played, whether it's football, wrestling, whatever sport
Speaker 1: we did in high school, grade school, junior high, pee, wee.
Speaker 1: We did it at the high level and we were
Speaker 1: great at it. And think about when we had a problem,
Speaker 1: we had a problem on the field, we had a
Speaker 1: problem with another team and a guy's talking junk. Because
Speaker 1: it's in our profession, we could put on our uniform
Speaker 1: and we could go to work and we could we
Speaker 1: could solve the problem and we could we could do
Speaker 1: it with brute strength, intelligence must to zeque character because
Speaker 1: of the fact we knew because we all trained at
Speaker 1: our art. Sometimes we would lose, sometime we win, but
Speaker 1: we knew we were gonna have a fair shot at it.
Speaker 1: Isn't it weird though, when you get in the rural
Speaker 1: world in that transition, whether it's real estate, whether it's
Speaker 1: whatever you decide to do afterwards, and you get to
Speaker 1: see how people are really different. You get to see
Speaker 1: now you're you're thinking outside of the uniform, and some
Speaker 1: of the times when you see people try to get
Speaker 1: over on you and you're like, man, I wish I
Speaker 1: could go put on helmet. Here, put on a helmet.
Speaker 1: Let's go right now and go put on the show.
Speaker 1: Because you get to see the intent and understand that, hey, wow,
Speaker 1: this is the world that we lived in was so different,
Speaker 1: and not saying it wasn't more physical and more tougher
Speaker 1: string us on your body. I get that, But outside
Speaker 1: of it, when people don't understand when you are you know,
Speaker 1: when you're in in sports and you do those things
Speaker 1: and you need to make that transition. And if you're
Speaker 1: not careful you are the right people around you. You know,
Speaker 1: you can easily get beat, you can easily take a beating.
Speaker 1: You can easily you know, get to see and and
Speaker 1: the thing about it is you can't bring your hands,
Speaker 1: you can't do the things that you're used to doing
Speaker 1: to get even our counter back. And now it's legally so.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people may, well, you know what happened, Well,
Speaker 1: God lead You trust people, and that's one thing about
Speaker 1: athletes and entertainers. Sometimes you trust people, whether you're financial
Speaker 1: advice or whether it's a Lloyd, whether it's certain people.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times a lot of people do
Speaker 1: you trust. You think they have your best their best,
Speaker 1: your best interests, but a lot of them don't. And
Speaker 1: they know they look at you as an opportunity to
Speaker 1: to to rise up and get better. So I think
Speaker 1: that that's you know, and I know we're having fun
Speaker 1: and going reminiscent Shin and Lights. I really appreciate having
Speaker 1: the opportunity chat with you. But that's what I'm about.
Speaker 1: I'm about understanding and teaching young men about our allies
Speaker 1: return investment, gross multipliers, doing those things and behind real
Speaker 1: estated not just that, but being able to be able
Speaker 1: to talk to them about life. We're in this big,
Speaker 1: huge movement now about Sean, black lives matter. We get that,
Speaker 1: and I know all lives matter, but the subject matter
Speaker 1: is black lives and I get that. But at the
Speaker 1: same in we as men, black men, white men, gray men,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, brown men. You don't have to be black,
Speaker 1: you don't have to be Republican, you don't have to
Speaker 1: be Democrats, you don't have to be anything. To do
Speaker 1: what's right. That's the thing about life that I've done
Speaker 1: that right now that we're in. We're a the time
Speaker 1: that we're in. It's not about red or blue. It's
Speaker 1: about doing what's right. And that's what we need to
Speaker 1: continue to do. Sean specially now is pushing the initiative,
Speaker 1: get people brothers, white, black, brown together and say, how
Speaker 1: do we move forward, How do we teach how do
Speaker 1: we educate people? How do we teach people because people
Speaker 1: don't understand that most blacks, you don't and you know
Speaker 1: was most blacks were Republicans and they changed over and
Speaker 1: you know because Texas had more black But we don't
Speaker 1: educate until we educate. We don't talk about our sisters
Speaker 1: of the you know, are sisters of the Confederacy, what
Speaker 1: they you know, what they went out putting those statutes
Speaker 1: and what it was about. We need to We can
Speaker 1: tear down all the statues Sean that we won, and
Speaker 1: we could tear all that, But if you don't change
Speaker 1: the heart and if you don't change the mind, you're
Speaker 1: not going to change people's heart and you're not gonna
Speaker 1: change them. So I'm just huge on that about educating.
Speaker 1: I'm challenging people black, white, brown to educate themselves about
Speaker 1: all these issues. Don't just listen to people. Don't just
Speaker 1: go around being mindful, being less mindful, and to say, okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I've been No understand what's going on.
Speaker 1: Find out for yourself. You know, you know it's crazy
Speaker 1: you said this because um and I just said, it's
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago when I was talking about the
Speaker 1: social media and things like that, and you're talking about
Speaker 1: the education part of it. Nowadays, it's who has the
Speaker 1: biggest following, and sometimes they're not the most educated. A
Speaker 1: lot of times they're not the most educated people, but
Speaker 1: they are the biggest voices in the loudest voices. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they they're they're trying to push people into certain areas
Speaker 1: and they don't even know what the hell they're talking about.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I get it that. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: on social media and I post, and I'm with that.
Speaker 1: I called myself the Twining because I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not the generation that h that there's not on
Speaker 1: social media at all, and I'm not the general in
Speaker 1: the in the general. Now we're social media is my life.
Speaker 1: So I posted, and I put stuff out there, and
Speaker 1: I promote my ass off. I'm always promoting something. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, people that are using their voices
Speaker 1: are are not very educated, or a lot of them aren't.
Speaker 1: And so it's funny you said this, And I tell
Speaker 1: any any NFL player or any athlete in general, because
Speaker 1: you've been playing sports your whole entire life for so
Speaker 1: long that the first year or two when you retired
Speaker 1: is the hardest adjustment, at least it was for me,
Speaker 1: because you are being thrown out there in the real
Speaker 1: world where even though you and I've had side businesses
Speaker 1: while we play, you had businesses, you had tons of
Speaker 1: businesses while we were playing, and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't your main job. It was like what you
Speaker 1: were doing on the side. So now when you were
Speaker 1: tired and you get out here, you start dealing with
Speaker 1: certain groups and types of people. We're used to going
Speaker 1: upstairs every other Wednesday getting on paycheck, right like every
Speaker 1: other Wednesday. Always didn't have to send a rookie up
Speaker 1: there to upper flight of steps and they'll grab whatever
Speaker 1: you made that week, whatever you made those two weeks,
Speaker 1: and get your check and you're done. That's how the
Speaker 1: money came in. But now you're dealing out here what
Speaker 1: I call you know, we call the real world, and
Speaker 1: you have to take you have to watch all of it.
Speaker 1: So the education technically wasn't there. And I remember to
Speaker 1: remember the what are used to have. Those are the
Speaker 1: seminars a three day the rookie symposium. It's impossible to
Speaker 1: learn everything in three days. I mean, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: glad they got rid of that because all it did
Speaker 1: is put you on notice for something that could happen,
Speaker 1: but you don't get a chance experience it until it
Speaker 1: does happen. And a lot of it you have to,
Speaker 1: you know, lose money, you have to get in a
Speaker 1: couple of bad business deals and understand that that's not
Speaker 1: the way to go. Or you can get and link
Speaker 1: with somebody who's already been through that so you don't
Speaker 1: have to deal with it. So, like I said, I
Speaker 1: agree with you on that part. It's all about education.
Speaker 1: And um I talked to a lot of guys, especially
Speaker 1: when they're about to get done. I say, look, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to do, start doing a year or two years,
Speaker 1: three years before you get done. So when you're thrown
Speaker 1: out here in this real world and you're not trying
Speaker 1: to you you're not your head is not spending trying
Speaker 1: to catch up to what's going on or knowing the
Speaker 1: right and wrong people to deal with, Like that's the
Speaker 1: way it's supposed to go. Right, You're absolutely right. And
Speaker 1: and for me, I think Sean, it's it's And if
Speaker 1: I would advise anyone that's out there and rookies or
Speaker 1: second year players and guys who thinking about being done,
Speaker 1: you look at the house in a in a decent neighborhood,
Speaker 1: Look at the house in a decent neighborhood that you
Speaker 1: look at the area and say the medium income is
Speaker 1: just say a hundred just to say two hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: hundred fifty and you could buy a house. Let's just
Speaker 1: say you can buy that house, you know, for four
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, three or four hundred thousand, so you can
Speaker 1: buy a decent house, three bedroom house, three to four.
Speaker 1: And if you think about that, if you know it's
Speaker 1: a good neighborhood, you know, the neighborhood is not going
Speaker 1: to go anywhere, especially if you have disposed for income.
Speaker 1: If you pay those two houses off, let's just say
Speaker 1: that's that's six hundred thousand dollars if you paid off.
Speaker 1: That's if you had two of those homes and you
Speaker 1: pay them all and you look that that's you know,
Speaker 1: you're talking about thirties, you know, thirty three thousand allars,
Speaker 1: six thousand dollars. You rant it out for three thousand
Speaker 1: a month. You're talking about creating six thousand dollars a
Speaker 1: month that's coming in that that you own. That's it's outright,
Speaker 1: and you you did that, and you did that. This
Speaker 1: is say you did. You paid for those houses. You
Speaker 1: paid for those houses. Why you're in year you know,
Speaker 1: year five and you're only gonna play ten years, and
Speaker 1: you took that money and you do the math. You
Speaker 1: got thirty six you know, thirty six and you at
Speaker 1: thirty six, thirty six year at seventy you know, seventy
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars a year, and you said, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna I got two of these houses. I'm putting all
Speaker 1: the money on one house, seventy two thousand dollars because
Speaker 1: you don't need any income. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now boom, you paid that that that, you paid that
Speaker 1: house off. You paid that house off, and you know
Speaker 1: in four years, so you know you're you're the three
Speaker 1: thousand all home you already paid off. So now if
Speaker 1: you do that, if you do that every four years,
Speaker 1: think about what young men can have not using a
Speaker 1: lot of money, because I know guys think, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is But if you do a simple mathematic deal
Speaker 1: like that, and you start doing that and you have fibers,
Speaker 1: you get done, and you've got six houses, seven houses
Speaker 1: paid off, you know, seven times three, and you're talking
Speaker 1: about thousand dollars a month that that's come that's coming in,
Speaker 1: and you're and you still got your your other money
Speaker 1: that's put away. Those are some of the things that
Speaker 1: you know that that that is just guys need to
Speaker 1: think about solid, just solid investments. Of course you've got
Speaker 1: to get those bonds and do some things, but just
Speaker 1: little things like that, Sean, And you know, but I
Speaker 1: just I just hope that everyone that's that's out there
Speaker 1: and guys just get a grip on finance especial we
Speaker 1: know because you're done, we're done, but finances, and also
Speaker 1: be get out there and being advocate, not necessarily, just
Speaker 1: be an advocate about educating yourself on what's going on
Speaker 1: in this world. Because the world we live in is changing,
Speaker 1: and it's changing drastically. You see how fast it's going, Sean,
Speaker 1: where you don't you can no longer talk about if
Speaker 1: you're a Republican or a Democrat. You can know that's
Speaker 1: that's no longer a conversation. If you do that, it's
Speaker 1: fighting words. Now, think about world we're at. Think about
Speaker 1: what we're When we were playing, we could about our
Speaker 1: Democrat republic or whatever. But think about now how divided
Speaker 1: we have become because of the media, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: because the media and all these different things. It's a
Speaker 1: great there's a great show that's out there, Shine, and
Speaker 1: I want your listeners to watch it to think can
Speaker 1: get a chance. And it's called the social the social
Speaker 1: network dilemma. The social network, the social dilemma. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you had a chance to see that. It's
Speaker 1: very enlightening, man. So that's all. Well, you know, for me,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of in the tech world already because you know,
Speaker 1: I got a few tech projects going on, so I
Speaker 1: understand what goes on the back end. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: new news to me. I was just and well, I
Speaker 1: think that, uh, the social dilemma, I think social it's
Speaker 1: called the social dilemma. Yeah, I think while it was
Speaker 1: so important because you have a lot of people out
Speaker 1: here who aren't tech savvy and don't really know what's
Speaker 1: going on. You need to understand what's going on and
Speaker 1: and look at these behavioral methods that these tech companies
Speaker 1: and certain people are doing in order to keep up
Speaker 1: what we're doing. Um so uh non, And and it's
Speaker 1: funny you talking of it. It's crazy talking about this.
Speaker 1: And this is why because I grew up in Maryland
Speaker 1: in the d C, and I grew up in like
Speaker 1: at a different time and like ninety like back in
Speaker 1: in the nineties, like d C and Maryland West want
Speaker 1: to crack uh epidemic hit and it was like the worst.
Speaker 1: And so I came from that, and so you don't
Speaker 1: nobody was around to like really educate you in order
Speaker 1: to get to another level. Times has changed a little
Speaker 1: bit now. Like back when you were coming up, while
Speaker 1: I was coming up, I don't even think the nfl
Speaker 1: p A and a lot of these people were like
Speaker 1: had they wasn't certain. You know, a lot of people
Speaker 1: that came around, it wouldn't certified. These financial advisors, financial groups,
Speaker 1: they wasn't certified. You know, if you had a quote
Speaker 1: unquote a gentle or financial advisor, you were good. But
Speaker 1: now the NFL is in nfl p A is looking
Speaker 1: to protect certain guys, if protect certain you know, companies
Speaker 1: and making sure that they're certified before they work with anybody.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's a lot better now. But I
Speaker 1: tell you, man, Like especially when I was coming up,
Speaker 1: no one was around to teach me that because we
Speaker 1: didn't have it to grow growing up in the first place,
Speaker 1: we didn't have it to say. We didn't nobody told
Speaker 1: you how to say it because there was no money
Speaker 1: to say. No one told you how to invest because
Speaker 1: there was no money to invest. Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's all about it, the education part of it. You're right,
Speaker 1: And but guys like t O. They had financial guys
Speaker 1: that were and trust me, those guys are there on
Speaker 1: the NFL p A list. They were around, They were around,
Speaker 1: and look at what happened to t O. Look what
Speaker 1: happened the blame bishop those guys. The NFL had them,
Speaker 1: they were certified on their list, and those guys still
Speaker 1: took them. So it's a lot of guys. It's because
Speaker 1: you know, you look at politics, Sean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that you know, they say they're one thing,
Speaker 1: but they do another. So there's guys that can be
Speaker 1: certified and know the NFL is not going you. That's
Speaker 1: why it's best as a as a player, as anyone,
Speaker 1: dear research to find out. If you've gotta at least
Speaker 1: get other people, get an attorney. It's best to go
Speaker 1: find you an attorneys. Hey look this over. Hey go
Speaker 1: pay two hundred fifty bucks an hour, Go pay four
Speaker 1: bucks an hour. Look it over. Find someone that's going
Speaker 1: to look it over, that doesn't have an interest, that
Speaker 1: doesn't have a don't have an interesting Sure. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: when it happened, a lot of especially me early on,
Speaker 1: when I got drafted at twenty. I had a I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember me, but I used
Speaker 1: to have I'll roll up on you in the fantom
Speaker 1: with bands whatever it was, and I had ten fifteen
Speaker 1: people around me all the yeah. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's what I learned growing up because you had all
Speaker 1: these people that just wanted to latch, want to come around.
Speaker 1: So that financial advisor that you did me might have
Speaker 1: came through your boy who was an assistant or a
Speaker 1: business manager or something at the time. So now they
Speaker 1: got in, you know, so if if I go with them,
Speaker 1: maybe they might get cut a check for fifty dollars
Speaker 1: in the back end. So, like you said, it's important
Speaker 1: for people to start working with other people who don't
Speaker 1: have an a special interest, right right, And that hopefully
Speaker 1: that happened, man, that that happened. Time we got to
Speaker 1: do this again. Brother, I think it's very important. And
Speaker 1: we could you know, tweet about it, you know, Instagram
Speaker 1: and let people know, hey, we're gonna talk about finances.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about different things and get some callers,
Speaker 1: get some questions and people like to ask us. And
Speaker 1: I enjoy it, man, I love the education part of it, man,
Speaker 1: So I'm just here to serve. Brother, here to certain man. Hey,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, bro, uh coming on and finally we
Speaker 1: we got We got so many stories. Honestly, it's not
Speaker 1: enough time because from those years earlier sometimes we probably
Speaker 1: can't even talk about. But you know we got some
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