1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: This is the business of sports where in the situation 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: that we haven't dealt with in modern times, pandemic here 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: has really accelerated the investments that we've been advocating for 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: for years. From a macro standpoint, I think our sport 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: industry is really forced to look at the business a 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: little bit differently. In depth conversations with the leaders in 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: the sports industry. Who wants to be the sacrificial lambs 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: that shows up at the first big major sporting event 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: part of something much bigger than the sport right now 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: and the health and raptry of our stakeholders that works 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: much important every moment. I think we're all from the 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: business respective thinking about the impact that the virus is 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: having across the country against Bloomberg Business of Sports From 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Hello, I'm Jason Kelly and Mike Lynch and 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: Michael Barr. Over the next hour, we will explore the 16 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: big money issues in the world of sports and talk 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: to some of the biggest players in the industry. Yeah, 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: no exception this week, that's for sure. We're gonna catch 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: up with NFL Hall of Famer Terrell Davis talk about 20 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: the start of the season, social justice. We know that's 21 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: a topic that he's been interested in because he's been 22 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: a guest of ours before. And the top story of 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: the week, guys, really is the top of our conversation 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: with Terrell Davis, and that is the NFL's back. They 25 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: are playing games. Uh surprise, lynch E. I'm not surprised 26 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: because I think they had a long, long time. They 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: were the one sport that was unaffected strictly because of 28 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: the calendar when the pandemic started here in early March, 29 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: and he was in the middle of the NBA and 30 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: the NHL season. It was in the middle of spring 31 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: training for baseball. Those three leagues had to scramble in. 32 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: The NFL had the luxury of time to plan this 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: thing out with testing, and so far, going into a 34 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: weekend number one, only one player tested positive in the 35 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: last round of tests. Bar How excited are you? Oh 36 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: my goodness, I'm totally excited. I've been waiting for this. 37 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: I got my fantasy pools all set, my survivor pools 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: are going. And this is what I wait for in 39 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: sports outside of all to racing. This is it. This 40 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: is what I wait for. And uh, I know a 41 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: lot of people who play fantasy sports are also excited. Yeah, well, 42 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: the big money issues in the world of sports, they're 43 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: none bigger, I should say, uh than the NFL. Also 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: big money in college sports, and a couple of the 45 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: big conferences sticking with their decision at least for now. 46 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: The Big Ten and the PAC twelve they've said they're 47 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: not playing despite a lot of pressure, political pressure and 48 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: economic pressure. Lynchy, I think this was the right thing 49 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: to do, but man tough to uh stand by that decision. 50 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: It feels like amt all this pressure, you know, especially 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: if things work out for the A c C and 52 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: the SEC and the PAC twelve and they're sitting on 53 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: the sidelines passing a fifty five million dollars per school 54 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: for the whole year and the Big Ten and it 55 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: works for them, and they sees we could have should 56 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: have known. There's there's no worse contractions to mutter in 57 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: life as we know as could have, should have been, 58 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: would have and and and I hope they don't have 59 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: to mutter those. It's gonna be, you know, it's gonna 60 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: be a challenge. I think now that the students are 61 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: all back in school, I don't worry so much about 62 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: the football players. I worry about the students infecting the 63 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: football players. Um and that's something that I think that 64 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: every school is just fearful of right now. So we 65 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: can't talk about this weekend's sports without talking about the 66 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 1: drama and the controversy at the US Open. No fans there, 67 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: but Novak Djokovic getting defaulted to use the technical term 68 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: from his match hitting a line judge. A lot of 69 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: economics for him, lost the money that he would have earned, 70 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: a fine being levied on him, not getting the points 71 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: for his progress in the tournament so far, felt like 72 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: the right decision to me, Lynchy, But it was tough 73 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: to watch. I have to say it was. I actually 74 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: saw it on a big screen outdoors. They headed at 75 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: a tennis court and and someone and I wasn't paying attention, 76 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: and I turned around and said, oh my goodness, that 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: he hit around the throat and haven't done some homework afterwards, 78 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: like we all have reading about the rules. The rules 79 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: are clear. What I was disappointed in is that he 80 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: didn't made his apology via an Instagram. And you know, 81 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: I think it just would have been more genuine to 82 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: sit in sit in front of a microphone on on 83 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: some video and just blast it out to the world. Uh, 84 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, not only because it's the right thing to do, 85 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: but you know how many young people out there that 86 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: look up to this guy. And you know, if he 87 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: can throw a temper tantrum and just get away with 88 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: an Instagram, I know, we got disqualified. You know, I 89 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: think that he he should have, you know, manned up. 90 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: As they say, bar what do you make of it? Well, 91 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: they didn't have a choice. They had to to do 92 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: que them And and and he was also fine. And 93 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: like he was saying, he skipped the news conference, he 94 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: also so he also got fine for that. And and 95 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: but what really bugged me more than anything else. And 96 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: and I do give Djokovic credit for saying this, fans 97 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: of Novak, we're getting on the line, judge. And and 98 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: she didn't do anything and and and they were criticizing 99 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: her and all this and and and here's her name 100 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: and this and that. Whatever. I'm like, come on, what stop? 101 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: Don't like an animal here. I mean, she didn't do 102 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: anything wrong. So at least give Djokovic some credit for 103 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: stepping up and saying, fans, knock it off. Yeah, maybe 104 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: time for a new generation to sort of come up 105 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: into the world, especially of men's tennis. Up next on 106 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: the show, we speak with the X running back for 107 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos, Terrell Davis. That's straight ahead on Bloomberg 108 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: Business of Sports. You can follow me on Twitter and 109 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: Big Bar Sports and now Mike Lynch. You can follow 110 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: me at Lynchy w CBB and follow me Jason Kelly 111 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: at Jason Kelly News. We're here each and every week 112 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: at this time and catch our Apple podcast that drops 113 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: on Monday's, Wednesdays and Thursdays. You're listening to Bloomberg Business 114 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: of Sports from Bloomberg Radio around the world. Well, thanks 115 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. We're here each and every 116 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: week for you at the same time talking to the 117 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: biggest names in sports. I'm Jason Kelly along with Mike 118 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: Lynch and Michael Barr. Today we're so excited to have 119 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: back with us Hall of famer Terrell Davis. He has 120 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: been so successful in his post NFL career as well. 121 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: He was nice enough to join us back in June 122 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: and man, the world has changed and TV I have 123 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: to start by asking you we're gonna have some football. 124 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: Are you surprised? Uh? No, I'm not. I'm not surprised, 125 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: just because I know who we're dealing with. You know, 126 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: the National Football League is it's huge, right, and they 127 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: are um you know when when they put their minds 128 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: to doing something, um, it would take a whole lot 129 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: for the season did not have gone forward. But I think, um, 130 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: I think what really benefit the NFL number one was 131 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: that they had right you know, we the COVID came 132 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: out and really I guess in March, and the Super 133 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: Bowl was in February, so they had some time and 134 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: to watch other leagues and watch you know, the other 135 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: countries just see how people were dealing with this pandemic. 136 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: And so they were able to sit back and watch 137 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: and they plan accordingly, and so I am not surprised 138 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: that week one, Uh, the schedule is uh is set 139 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: and you know they did cancel some preseason games, so 140 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: that was not a bit of a shocker, but that 141 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: was kind of the compromise I think they made to 142 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: make sure that they were doing the right thing. And 143 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: so I'm just excited, man, wet we get to get 144 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: because to finally keep some real games this weekend, UH 145 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: not have to watch old re errors all day of 146 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: old Super Bowls and stuff like that so it's real 147 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: football time. Yeah, because the reruns of Joe Namath, well 148 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: they only go so far. Let me answer the question, 149 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 1: because the preseason is canceled and and there's been mixed 150 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: reviews from the players about it. Uh, does it help 151 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: or hinder a team not having preseason? That's it's really 152 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: a good question, um, and it really to me, it's individualized. 153 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: I know for me as a player, I needed the preseason. 154 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: I needed that ramp up time to get my body 155 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 1: right and to get my mind right on the season. 156 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: And the players, you know, different players like la Daniel 157 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: Thomas and never played in the preseason. I think Adrian 158 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: Peterson for many years never played in the preseason, and 159 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: those guys were fined. I just couldn't do it that way. 160 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: I had to get all the practice I can get 161 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: and get ramped up. I'm gonna tell you though, who 162 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: it hurts. It hurts the young players who are trying 163 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: to make the team or trying to make the team, 164 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: and so they didn't have the opportunity like like you know, 165 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: a normal rookie would have or second year player, because 166 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: all those rests are going to first team guys, second 167 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: team guys and then they didn't have a game to 168 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: go out there to show the coaches that they can perform. 169 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: So that was unfortunate for a lot of younger players. 170 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: I think the old veterans they were ecstatic that they 171 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: didn't have preseason games. Man, like, somebody's beat up this 172 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: sweet no games, getting ready to just to go to 173 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: this long season. But yeah, I think from uh, individual players, 174 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: I think it's different, And then from the coaching staff, 175 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: I know it's they they still struggling because they don't 176 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: have any tape, they don't have any film to watch 177 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: other teams. They really, uh find it difficult to evaluate talent. 178 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: You know, practice, there's some guys would look really good 179 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: in practice, but you put them in the game and 180 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: they struggled. Um, so how do you find out if 181 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: these guys are gamers? Um, they don't know, and so 182 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: they have to go off whether they go back to 183 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: college film or just trying to figure it out. You know, 184 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: how do we how do we get this guy up 185 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: perform when the lights are on? And so now they'll 186 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: they'll be able to finally see that. But it's gonna 187 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: be a live and that's that that's the difficult challenge 188 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: that the coaches had Terrell. It's Mike up in Boston. 189 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, most of the stadiums will 190 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: not have any fans at all. Uh does this take 191 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: pressure off of a player? Is it less motivation? Is 192 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: there less adrenaline rushing through your body? I mean you 193 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: had the mild high salute. You salute the whole end 194 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: zone worth of of Denver fans. Now there's you know, 195 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: if you score a touchdown this you'll be saluting a 196 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: bunch of empty seats. Does it make a difference at all? Um, 197 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never played him. It's like a 198 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: scrimmage office. Yeah, it's like a scrimmage. But um, I 199 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: guess most players look at it like this. And I've 200 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: spoken to some players at one point. We've all played 201 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: either high you know, we played high school popcorner. We 202 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: played where there were no fans. I mean it was 203 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: my high school didn't have a bunch of fans, and 204 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: it never impacted how I would have done play. Um. 205 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: I went to Long Beach Stay before with the Georgia 206 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: and if you guys know anything about Long Beach State, 207 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: our football program was one of the worst programs in 208 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: the country. And we didn't have a bunch of fans 209 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: at the games. So the mentality that I always had 210 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: was it didn't matter who was in the hands and 211 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: where we played. Once I hit the field, I was 212 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: locked into the game itself. And I imagine most players 213 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: feel that way now. Something Now, yeah, it's kind of 214 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: cool before the game starts or the kickoffs and you 215 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: get the fans up and now you get that adrenaline 216 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: and you know, get that energy that you use to 217 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: run out on kicks or whatever. That won't be there. 218 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 1: But it shouldn't. It shouldn't affect how you perform it. 219 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: Just it shouldn't. I know. You know, we watched the 220 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: NBA and they're playing They don't have fans there, but 221 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: that game is intense. Man, those guys are playing basketball 222 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: right like it's it's it's like they're in an arena 223 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: that has packed and it hasn't influenced the game whatsoever. 224 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: I imagine the same thing for football. A little weird 225 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: at first, but I think it's players are getting used 226 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: to it well. As a long time at Lanton who's 227 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: been to UH Athens, George and Sanford Stadium a number 228 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: of times, I can only imagine what that transition. Was 229 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: the first time you played between the hedges there today? 230 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was. It was crazy. It was insane. 231 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: Like I said, at Long Beach State, we had a stadium, 232 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: ut Vet Stadium, and it was half bleachers on one 233 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: side and it's about five thousand seats not even see 234 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: there's benches, right, so it's probably the past five thousands. 235 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: And we couldn't even packed that little thing. So I 236 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: go from that stadium to Camper Stadium, which is over 237 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: nineties something thousand, saying hacked Sea of red, streaming, yelling, barking, barking, 238 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: y Yeah, absolutely, all right, Stay tuned for more of 239 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: our conversation with NFL Hall of Famer Terrell Davis. That's 240 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: straight ahead on Bloomberg Business of Sports. I'm Jason Kelly 241 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jason Kelly News, and I'm Mike Glinch. 242 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: You can follow me at Lynch w e VB. And 243 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: I'm Michael bar on Twitter. You can follow me you 244 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: had Big Bar Sports and download the show to hear 245 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: even more of this interview our extended version. Catch that 246 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks so much for joining us. 247 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: We're here each and every week for you at the 248 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: same time talking to the biggest names in sports. I'm 249 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: Jason Kelly along with Mike Lynch and Michael Barr. Let's 250 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: get back to our conversation with NFL Hall of Famer 251 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: Terrell Davis. So TV in the midst of this pandemic 252 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: and this lockdown, you've been very busy. Tell us about 253 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: what's going on in the world of business, how you 254 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: have sort of coped and and at the same time 255 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: sort of taken advantage of what's going on in the 256 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: world from a business perspective. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, obviously, 257 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: when I retired, you you get not for us, but 258 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of get into the the entrepreneurial 259 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: spirit and start to, uh, you know, get get more 260 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: involved into business endeavors. And I've dabbled with a whole 261 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: lot of business opportunities, hotels to uh, you know, apartment buildings, 262 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: to fund parts, all all kinds of stuff. But the 263 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: latest spenters that I've I've dabbled in the CBD business. 264 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: And we started a company called Defy over two years ago. 265 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: And Defy is a health and wellness brand that specializes 266 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: in CBD products and our Flagshire products that we just 267 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: came out with then I asked about a year ago. 268 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: UH is our performance drink, And it's a performance drink 269 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: that really helps you with recovery, helps you work out, 270 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: maintain UH and really just kind of makes your body 271 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: feel a lot better and try to get the most 272 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: audi of body where you can just empty everything. But 273 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: I've allows you to recover faster, that has properties in 274 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: there that allows you to dive with pain management and 275 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: inflammation and UM it's been really great flavors. We have 276 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: a eliminated, a orange mangle, and a mixed Perry and 277 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: so we've been promoting that product the last year so 278 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: and people say, well, how did you get involved in that? Well, 279 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: to me, it was actually UM kind of UH selling opus. 280 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: And how it happened was I wasn't looking to get 281 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: into the CBD business. I was actually looking for something 282 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: that would help my body feel better. And I've been 283 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: looking for a number of years to UM have something 284 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: like I can deal with pain management inflammation. But I 285 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: never wanted to try to get anything that was you know, 286 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: that was too potent, things that have side effects, and 287 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: I just couldn't find anything. And I've tried all kinds 288 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: of stuff and nothing really worked, and uh, when I 289 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: was doing some research, um actually our CEO of a 290 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: company both early actually educating me on some stuff, and uh, 291 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: well I guess about CBD. And so we went through 292 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: this process of looking at it. And after I did 293 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: my homework and felt comfortable trying it, UM, it was 294 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: it was it. I was like, Wow, this is amazing. 295 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: I immediately started to feel better. And so the attunity 296 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: after I had tried it, UM, we kind of had 297 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: this idea of listen, man, if if I I didn't 298 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: know anything about CBD and how it helps with pain 299 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: management and and inflamation and host of other benefits, then 300 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: there's millions of people out there we don't know about this, 301 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: and so the opportunity was all right with we can 302 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: maybe get this product, make it better, Uh, do our research, 303 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: have a science back and built, and make the best 304 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: gold standard product out there. There's a chance that we 305 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: were able to be able to promote this, share this 306 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: and and have millions of people, uh you know, not 307 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: only try but be able to improve their lives. And 308 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: that's what it was all about. So we started on 309 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: that on that journey over three years ago and it's 310 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: been phenomenal it's been amazing, and so the feedback that 311 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: we've gotten from our product, and uh, the amount of 312 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: stories that we hear from people who have experienced a 313 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: better lifestyle. They just feel like they they're walking better. 314 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: I've personally lost over twenty five pounds, um, just because 315 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: I was able to work out more often, you know. 316 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: And the only reason I wasn't going to work out 317 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: more often was because I was taking our products the right. 318 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: If I didn't take the product, I would be struggling 319 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: to just work out the day after day. And so 320 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: it's really been eye open. It's been great for us, 321 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: and uh, we are they're pretty excited about it. And 322 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: then I noticed a lot of athletes are involved in 323 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: the CBD business. Uh, and I'm about to you know, 324 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: here a lot of good falls. It's like, yes, I 325 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: used to bowl a lot, and I was I was 326 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: pretty good, and then I blew my knees and now 327 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: so I'm talking to a pro football Wait wait, wait, 328 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: First of all, you blew your knees out bowling, I did. 329 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: I did I stuck at the line one day, Yes 330 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: you did? And I know people are driving off the 331 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: road laughing. Is like, dude, you're talking to a X 332 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: pro football player and you talking about bowling man. Come on, 333 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: I think this could be my favorite moment of the 334 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: show ever. But let's keep going. T D you are. 335 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: I liked you before, I love you now you are 336 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: the best. I always had this image of Detroit guys 337 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: being tough, hard those guys. Are you serious? Boy? Stuck 338 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: at the line one time and and it was like, 339 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: you know, and everybody said you all right, I'm okay, 340 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm crying on the side. So now that I've made 341 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: a total fool of myself, I freak up this question. 342 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 1: A lot of pro football players and a lot of 343 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: pro basketball players and baseball on down the line believe 344 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: in the product, which brings me to the question of 345 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: the punishment you guys take when you guys are out 346 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: there on the field, men and women for that matter. Uh, 347 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: doesn't a difference whether it's soccer or whatever. Can you 348 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: take us through the punishment of what a pro athlete 349 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: goes through, especially football players, because it's contact among contacts 350 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: for sports mm hmm, yeah, Well it's uh, it's it 351 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: is brutal, um. But we know what we are going 352 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, we're about to go through it. So that's 353 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: why we train as hard as we train. We try 354 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: to prepare our bodies um to withstand the punishment. And 355 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: so there's a lot of obviously weightlifting, there's lots of 356 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, stretching, and you have biomechanics and masseuses and 357 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you have all kinds of stuff, um, you know, 358 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: to allow you to not only perform, but have the 359 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: ability to bounce back. And that's that's one of the 360 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: qualities of of an athlete who is consistent is that 361 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: they have to be able to do exhaust their bodies 362 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: to a point where it's empty the tent. But you 363 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: can't do it one game, can't do it one match. 364 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: You've gotta be able to bounce back the day after. 365 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: So that's where CBD comes into uh into the pode. 366 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: And when I was playing, there was a lot of 367 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: players who were smoking marijuana, and I didn't understand because 368 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: I felt like, why are you guys, you know, doing 369 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: this stuff because you're jeffordizing your career and you know 370 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: if you guys are just doing it because it's just 371 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: some leisure stuff. That's that was my mentality. And I 372 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: never I had never smoked and never been around the stuff. 373 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: But clearly UH and no one now in the research 374 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: and talking to some of the players, they were they 375 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: were basically medicating self medicating with marijuana. And the first 376 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: things like uh insomnia where they couldn't sleep, they were 377 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: using see uh you know their alannabo sleep, but it 378 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: was CBD that was helping with you know. There they 379 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: might have jitters and just be nervous, or might have 380 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: pain management or inflammation. So those things were actually help me. 381 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: So as an athlete, we're always looking for something. We're 382 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: always searching for things that we can use to make 383 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: our bodies feel better because that is that's all we have. 384 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: You know, when you ask that your body is your 385 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: that's your machine, and you need your body to feel great. 386 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: And if you feel great, chances are you going to perform. Uh. 387 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: They just go hand in hand. And that's when the 388 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: doctors ask you. You know, if you if you go 389 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: out to a football field before the game, you'll see 390 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: a doctor or players who are injured, who are coming 391 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: off an injury, and they were running around and so 392 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: they walked back to the doctor and the doctor always 393 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: goes to school test you ask you, well, how do 394 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: you feel well? If you still I feel great, they 395 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: can you clear to play? And so that's to me, 396 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: It's all about how do you feel? And it was 397 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: very important for me after retiring to feel better because 398 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: the last because I'm retired, I've been selling like crap. Honestly, guys, 399 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: I've been selling like crap, and I felt like my 400 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: body was going to feel that way for the rest 401 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: of my life. I thought that was my new normal. 402 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: Well things turned around quickly when I discover see you 403 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: do you get started using it and like, wow, that 404 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: wasn't the new normal. Now this is the new normal. 405 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: I can't feel great again. So it's been great. Athletes 406 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: do put them, uh, put their bodies through a tremendous 407 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: amount of stress. But um, the countery is that is, 408 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: how do you take care of your body? Are you 409 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: eating right? It's your diet, are you resting? Um? If so, 410 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: those things are important to recovering as to perform them, 411 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: let me ask you this, uh terrell um. And this 412 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: doesn't apply to anyone who's playing in the National Football 413 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: League are gone through a grueling season of bowling like 414 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: Michael Barr, But but I think everybody and then anyone 415 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: who's never even laced up a pair of sneakers can 416 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: can probably identify with migraines. And I noticed here that 417 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: defy helps your migraines. And I know everybody that has 418 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: migraines has tried different solutions and remedies and this actually 419 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: works for you. How Yeah, you know, I'm really glad 420 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: you brought that up because this this is what I 421 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: did not expect it was. It was really something that um, 422 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: it surprised me big time. So if you have migraines, 423 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: and I've had migrant since I was nine years old, 424 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: there's really two ways you can treat a migraine. It's 425 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: one you use something as they're prevented of right, whether 426 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: it's UM, I use a nasal spray. It's either some 427 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: pill or the shop. It's something that you can do 428 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: that can actually prevent the migraine from happening. Um. For me, again, 429 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: I had a nasal spraying. But once you know you 430 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: have a you have a breakthrough or if it doesn't work, 431 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: and typically there's nothing at So when I was playing football, 432 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: I have a migraine, but once in a while breakthrough 433 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: and you guys probably knowing Super Bowl through the two 434 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: out of migraine. So once you have a migraine. Now 435 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: you need something that aborts the migraine that either shortens 436 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: the cycle or it stops to completely. I have never 437 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 1: found anything that actually stop sit completely. I've had some 438 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: things that would help shorten the migraine. So let me 439 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: get back to how CBD helps. So one of the 440 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: things that I was taking as a preventative was an 441 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: anti inflammatory called nafferson As. I would take this pill 442 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: two times a day, and I would take this whether 443 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: I'm practiced or not. That was my my my regiment. 444 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: I had to take this pill as a UM preventative 445 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: and I take it. I've been taking this skill since college. 446 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: The problem I'm taking this pill is that, as you know, 447 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: it's just not good for your your liver and stuff 448 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: that is not good for you be taking a pill 449 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: like it every day, especially uh anti inflammatory. So with 450 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: the CBD um having anti inflammatory properties, I didn't. I 451 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: didn't even put the two together. But as I started 452 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: doing more research, I found an article talking about CBD 453 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: and migraines and I was like, wow, that's interesting how 454 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: this article was talking about how it helped with migraine. 455 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: So what I did it was two years ago. I 456 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: said well, let me let me just try, because I've 457 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: been trying to get this appeal for a long time. 458 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: Let me just do a through a little experiment here. 459 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take my my migraine medication and I'm 460 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: gonna continue to use my CBD and see what happens. 461 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: That that's been over two years ago. I've had one 462 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: migraine since and it wasn't even a full blown migraine, 463 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: it just it wasn't. It was one that went through. 464 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: I had a visual problem, but I have an oral 465 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: or I can't see um Once the visual vision cleared 466 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: back up, typically our counting headache that were last four 467 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: hours and the hYP nausea and vomiting, then it would 468 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: always be the same. Well, the last time I had 469 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: a migraine, I had their vision and then when my 470 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: vision cleared up, I had no headache, I had no nausea, 471 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: no vomiting, no nothing. And so that's been again over 472 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: two years and I've been migraine free basically. UM So 473 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: it certainly works as they prevented of um as as 474 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: I certainly know that now once they come again, that's 475 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: a different story. That's some other medications probably can work, 476 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: But I don't have. I haven't heard or found that 477 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: this works for something once you have one, but certainly 478 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: at the presented of in my case, we're obvious taking 479 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: at that time in plaboratory it works alright. Stay tuned 480 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: for more of our conversation with NFL Hall of Famer 481 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: Terrell Davis. That's straight ahead on Bloomberg Business of Sports. 482 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Kelly on Twitter and Bowling Injury Free at 483 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: Jason Kelly News. I am never going to a bowling 484 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: alley again. I'm Mike Lynch. You can follow me at 485 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: Lynch w cvb oh Man. I'm retiring to the chess team. Uh. 486 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm Michael Bar on Twitter. That Big bar Sports. Y'all. 487 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: Never forget that bowling story and down know the show. 488 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: Here even more of this interview our extended version. Catch 489 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: that wherever you get your podcast. So thanks so much 490 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: for joining us. We're here each and every week for 491 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: you at the same time talking to the biggest names 492 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: in sports. I'm Jason Kelly along with Mike Lynch and 493 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: Michael Barr. Let's get to our conversation with NFL Hall 494 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: of Famer Terrell Davis and t D. I want to 495 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: ask you about another thing that's been going on in 496 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: front of our faces for the past three months, and 497 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: really since we talked to you back in June, conversations 498 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: have only accelerated and gotten more serious around issues of 499 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: social justice. And I will tell you and I recommend 500 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: the conversation that we had with you back then because 501 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: it was really, uh, enlightening to me. I've thought about 502 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: it a lot, thought about your personal experience when it 503 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: comes to racial injustice, and a lot of the observations, Uh, 504 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: you were you were really honest and and and at 505 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: times raw with us, and it really meant a lot. 506 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: So I want to thank you for that initially. And 507 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: I want to ask you now today is we're talking 508 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: in September, of what you've seen since then, because there 509 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: have been so many conversations at least around systemic inequality, 510 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: systemic racism in sports, in society and beyond. What have 511 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: you seen and what have you felt over the last 512 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: couple of months as this really has come to the fore. Yeah, 513 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: it's uh, I mean, it's it's been one breath. I 514 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: can say I've seen some I guess we've got in 515 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: some progress. I guess you think you can call it that. Um, 516 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: I've seen the the awareness of it being much broader now. 517 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: Obviously you look at the sports leagues around the world 518 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: really and you see the impact that's having on on 519 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: sports where players are coming out and advocating for equality 520 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: and social justice, and you know, um, it's it's really 521 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: been it's been good. But it's also been a reminder 522 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: that we have so far to go. And the conversations 523 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: that have been had is that people look at some 524 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: of these isolated incidentss in their minds, like you look 525 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: at you know, the George Floyd stuff and Jacob Blake, 526 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: and you look at these things, and people just look 527 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: at them like, oh, that's just a guy you know 528 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: that cops spued over, Yeah, and they shot him. And 529 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: but we've been this, this has been going on for 530 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: hundreds of years like this is this has been something 531 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: that's been in a black community for for years. Ever 532 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: since we we've we've come here, We've never had a 533 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: level of planing sing that we've always been treated as 534 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: second class citizens. We've always been relegated to that role. 535 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: And it's bigger than just law enforcement and the relationship 536 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: with the black community. It's a it's ingraining in our 537 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: society and everything that that happens. And what I mean 538 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: by that is there's things that aren't intended. Right. You 539 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: might have some people who what they call unconscious bias. 540 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: They just they're not thinking about it, but they don't 541 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: they don't participate in having a you know, uh, let's 542 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: say at their job or their their business. They don't 543 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: look at and say, okay, do we have diversity in 544 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: our business? Like they don't. They're not consciously looking for that. 545 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: So you might go to some of these uh, let's 546 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: say a seminar. You know, I go to a lot 547 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: of similar as. I do a lot of you know, 548 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: talking and appearances. And when I go already seminar as, 549 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: I feel like it's corporations. And I go and I 550 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: go speaking, I'm in the room and it's like two 551 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: thousand and three thousand people and you might see five 552 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: black people in the room and it's like, okay, so 553 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: why is that the case? So why isn't only five 554 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: black people in all these like upper management positions? And 555 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, maybe they're not constantly consciously um making that decision. 556 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: But that's what we're talking about. We're talking about just 557 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: on every plane field, you know, like making sure that 558 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: there's diversity, making sure there's opportunity tour for blacks that 559 00:30:54,520 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: um that typically would you know, wouldn't come our way. Um. 560 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: And again we're not asking for any handouts, but we're 561 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: just asking for everything to be fair. Uh, look at 562 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: some of the um practices that are being employed deployed 563 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: in our communities where we're paying higher interest rates on everything, 564 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, where we don't have conventional banking. We gotta 565 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: check asking places. Uh, there's not enough you know, funds 566 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: for education. You know, I went to Lincoln High School. 567 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: When I went to Lincoln in San Diego. Um, you know, 568 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: it's a it's not a very you know, that didn't 569 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: have a lot of resources. So we're always coming already 570 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: coming out at a disadvantage from somebody North County schools 571 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: in San Diego, who are you know, being funded by, 572 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: whether it's the property taxes in or maybe it's private funding. 573 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: But it's just it's just so much. And it's kind 574 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: of like when I'm watching TV or reading stuff or 575 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: just kind of hearing the news and in the middle 576 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: of all this, you know, so I started thinking a lot. 577 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: It's just it's a huge amount in the client like 578 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: how do you how do you reverse, how do you 579 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: untangle un hangle you know, hundreds of years and things 580 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: that have been done too for the black community and 581 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: trying to do it overnight and you can't. You can't. 582 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: So you have to kind of start with the process 583 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: of all right, let's go vote, let's go change legislation, 584 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: let's let's start doing all these things. But it's it's 585 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: gonna take a lot, it's gonna take time. It's gonna 586 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: take time to unwind um a lot of things that 587 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: have been done and laws that have been instituted um 588 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: to try to you know, keep black people down period. 589 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just what it was. You know when 590 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: you have back in the you know, probably early sixties 591 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: or you know, when they had the civil rights movements 592 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: even before that, where you you start talking about things 593 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: that we're supposed to be um intended to like you know, 594 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: to incarcerate millions of blacks, um, you know, just by 595 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: some of the laws ever were um. You know that 596 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: Dad come out. So that means it's just it's a lot. Uh. 597 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: This conversation probably needs to be about five hours to 598 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: really you know, dig deep into it. Um. But I 599 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: will say that I am proud of our young men, 600 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, the NBA, NFL. I mean you 601 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: look at Major League Baseball, hockey, and what I'm really 602 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: proud of is to see a lot of our white 603 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: um players speaking out and that that really makes me 604 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: happy because this is not about a black or white thing, 605 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: and should well, it shouldn't be about that. It should 606 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: be about a human thing. It should be about this. 607 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: Humans should be treated equals. We should have the same opportunities. 608 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: We should come from the same uh background where you. 609 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: We should be able to to to co exist like 610 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: a locker room, which is which is to me, one 611 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: of the best examples of how to co exist. We 612 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: may not agree on a lot of things, but we're 613 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: gonna judge each other based off the skin of our skin, 614 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: of our color, color of our skin. And that's just 615 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: how I think this country needs to be. There's another 616 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: major issue out there, and which is why a lot 617 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: of stadiums are going to be empty uh this season, Uh, 618 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: simply because of COVID. And UH just did a story 619 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: uh about the NFL doctor Dr Sills, and he talked 620 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: about the virtual bubble. Now in the NBA, they have 621 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: the actual bubble in in the NHL, the virtual bubble 622 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: for the NFL. The players have to adhere to it, 623 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: and that's what he's saying. In order for this to work. Basically, 624 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: everybody has to be on their best behavior. If I 625 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: can get your thoughts on that, well, I think I 626 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: think it can work. I guess when you look at 627 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: of course, the NBA has got the best possible scenario. 628 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: They have all the players in his bubble um. But 629 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball they're not in the bubble, and they've 630 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: had some issues early on, but it seems like they've 631 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: gotten the hold of it and they they've been able 632 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: to to you know, keep things pretty tightly up wrapped 633 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: and there continue to play. So that's promising to see 634 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: how Major League Baseball dealing with the NFL is different, 635 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: and I think they'll be able to do it as 636 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: well as the NBA. And the reason is when football 637 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,959 Speaker 1: players travel, they only traveled the day before the game, 638 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 1: and then they go to that city, they play the game, 639 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: and then they they're on airplane back to their city. 640 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: So the exposure and you know, to me, to be 641 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: able to do it that way is different than if 642 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: they're Major League Baseball. They traveled to the city, they 643 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: typically stayed there a few days, and so players are 644 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: going out and doing what they're doing, so they they 645 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: probably have more opportunity to to make bad choices if 646 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: if that is, and I can't even put everything on 647 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: a bad choice, like, yeah, you can do everything the 648 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: right way but still end up getting it just because 649 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: of the ways that you can you can you know contracted. 650 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: It's just you know, you've got to be really really 651 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: discipline in terms of like washing your hands, using hand sanitizer, 652 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: making sure you are away from people here, covering your 653 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: your mouth up, and all that stuff. So if you 654 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: do all that, chances are you should be fine. But 655 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: there's no percent chance or way that you can not contracted. 656 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: So I don't know. NFL has done great. They've been 657 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: testing their players every day since training can't started, and 658 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: their their numbers are extremely low, and they they're still 659 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: confident with the way they're doing it. And doctor Stills 660 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: that know him very well, he's been fantastic. Uh, he's 661 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: doing a great job of instructing the NFL and being 662 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,439 Speaker 1: um and being the leader and making sure that they're 663 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: doing everything by the book and that they're able to 664 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: have a safe environment for not only the players, but 665 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: the coaches, the reps, the staff, the administration, everybody comes 666 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: to a game. Um, you know, the stadium personnel, they're 667 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: doing it. They're doing everything they can do and and 668 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 1: and then some so listen and the football coming back. 669 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: And I have no reason to believe that there will 670 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: be any disruption or any um stoppage of a game 671 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: at this point unless something comes up where you have 672 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: one team that just has a rash of you know, 673 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: positive test But I don't see that coming, to be 674 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: honest with you, Terrells, as a black man, are you 675 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: happy with what the NFL has done uh to raise awareness? 676 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: I know in the end zones they're gonna have slogans 677 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: that takes all of us and racism. There'll be decals 678 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: and helmets and caps. Uh. Every facility is going to 679 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: be shut down on election day. And I know actions 680 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: speak louder than words. But you know, Roger Goodell admitted 681 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: that he, uh, he was wrong because he didn't listen 682 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: early enough, and he wants to be part of the change. 683 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: Are you satisfied with the steps they have taken so far? No, 684 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: I've never never satisfied. I mean, we can't be satisfied 685 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: until you know, we wake up one day and and 686 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: and not only with all the slogans and the bed 687 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: the stickers and all that stuff. And that's all great, 688 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: and I'm not knocking any of that, but for this 689 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: to actually change, actually change, yes, I mean it may. 690 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: We may not see the change in my lifetime because 691 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: I think it's that deep of an issue. Now we 692 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: can see some progress, We can see somethings changing, which 693 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: is which is great. But um, I wouldn't use the 694 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: word satisfied at all. I would I would use the 695 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: word that I'm encouraged to buy what I'm saying. I'm 696 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:49,760 Speaker 1: encouraged to see the heightened the awareness that the NFL 697 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 1: is taking that, like I said before, the other major 698 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: sports leagues are taking, even non sports organizations. You see 699 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,280 Speaker 1: corporations now coming out with slogan and then talking about, 700 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, how they're back and support Black Lives matter, 701 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: so that those things are encouraging. But now the actions 702 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: have to come behind that. And you know, the final 703 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: result of what we're doing right now may not be 704 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: felt not It may not be in my lifetime. I 705 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: think me hope it then my children's lifetime that they 706 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: are able to be able to experience a world where 707 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: they can they can drive around and and you know, 708 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: go somewhere and not be judged by the way they look. Um, 709 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, So that's that's the goal. But again, I 710 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm gonna be able to steel that 711 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: that impact of what's happening right now. Trll Davis. It's 712 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: always such a treat to catch up with you. Thank 713 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: you so much. We really treasure the opportunity to revisit 714 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: a lot of these issues with you. We know you're 715 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: always thinking about them and working on them, and we 716 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: wish you only the best. Thank you, Thank you, I 717 00:39:52,320 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Guys, all right, might stop bowling man being out. 718 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Well, Terrell Davis, that guy does 719 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: not disappoint gentleman, and listen, he will forever have a 720 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: place in my heart for calling you out. Michael bar 721 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: that was just as you said. It was great radio. 722 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. That's one takeaway. I will never 723 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: do that again. But but the set up to the 724 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: question that I really liked was, and it was talking 725 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: about it the experiences of what an athlete goes through. Yeah, 726 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: and why the CBD is important to UH ex football 727 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: players and X pro athletes because it really does help 728 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: him and and that to me is extremely beneficial. Well, 729 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: obviously I asked him the question about the migraines, and 730 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: you don't have to be an All Pro football player 731 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: or an All World bowler to come up with some 732 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: some makes and pains. But you know, the people that 733 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: are just sitting, you know, in their office so that 734 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,919 Speaker 1: they never get out of their chair and never lays 735 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: up a pair of sneakers or cleats have migraines. And 736 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: this is worth amazingly for him, This this to defy drink. Yeah, 737 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: I mean I find him to be incredibly thoughtful, and 738 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: as I said during the course of the interview, I 739 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: mean I've thought back a lot because he was really 740 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: one of the first pro athletes or ex pro athletes 741 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: we talked to after the killing of George Floyd and 742 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: really got a sense of his own experience back then. 743 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: And I think the notion of being encouraged but not 744 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,439 Speaker 1: satisfied is something that that I certainly take away from 745 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: this interview. Because it feels better to be a number 746 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: one than number five. I'll wear a number because of Mike. 747 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: We have a chance to go for three in a row. 748 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,839 Speaker 1: Good numbers in a good time. When I first started 749 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: wearing the number, I would just have the Bloomberg business 750 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: of sports. The number of the week. Alright, Michael Bart 751 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: it up, alright, Time for the number of the week. 752 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: Time for me to redeem myself the number. Yes, you 753 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: embarrass yourself today. I embarrass myself every week with the 754 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: number of the week. So you just think about that. 755 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: You might, you might. You guys might get this. You 756 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: guys might get this. But I'll tell you what the 757 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: cash number is. Five point five billion dollars. Five point 758 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: five billion dollars. Oh, I think I know this one. Oh, 759 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 1: I think this could be huge. This could be a 760 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,399 Speaker 1: really big day for me. Is this how much the 761 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: new stadium in Los Angeles cost? D Dan? Then you 762 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: don't do it too, didn't you? Lynchy? I was because 763 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: I just saw it on Twitter. Then I saw a 764 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 1: picture of it and they had a little caption under Nathan, 765 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: I said, where have I seen that? Five point five Rams? 766 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,800 Speaker 1: Don't understand, Cronky. This is his uh, his dream stadium. 767 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: It's the most expensive stadium in the world, Los Angeles. Rams, 768 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: by the way, playing there for anybody who know, and 769 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: it more importantly, it's entirely privately financed. Yeah, you know, 770 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: I obviously haven't been in it, but I went to 771 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: Los Angeles a number of times while it was under construction, 772 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 1: and you know, you can see it when you're flying 773 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: in and flying out, and I mean it is incredible. 774 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 1: I mean it is just I've never seen anything like 775 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: it in terms of the the scope and and really 776 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: what seems like the complexity of it. So, um, I 777 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: just hope people get to, you know, like go and 778 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 1: watch a game there. Apparently they've made it now. One 779 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: of the updates is that you can walk from the 780 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,359 Speaker 1: parking lot almost directly into the fifth level of the arena. Now, 781 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: of course, no fans are going to be there for 782 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: the weekend game, but when the fans do come, I 783 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: think they're gonna like it alright, And the Chargers play 784 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: there as well, right, that's right. Yeah. In fact, the 785 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 1: Patriots have back to back games this year, uh in 786 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,800 Speaker 1: Los Angeles where they play on let's see, they play 787 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 1: on Sunday, they play the Chargers, and then on Thursday 788 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,439 Speaker 1: night they play the Rams in that stadium. So they're 789 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: just gonna stay there for the five days hang out 790 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: in l A. Who wouldn't want to do that, especially 791 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: coming from Boston. You've been listening to Bloomberg Business and Sports. 792 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,399 Speaker 1: We're here each and every week at the same time. 793 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,879 Speaker 1: I just got a little dig in on the weather there, 794 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,280 Speaker 1: plus online wherever you get your podcast. Catch those Mondays, 795 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: Wednesdays and Thursdays. I'm Jason Kelly. Find me on Twitter 796 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: at Jason Kelly News and on Mike Lynch at Sadie 797 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: Degrees in Boston right now. 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