WEBVTT - The Descent with D'arby Rose 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.640 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.720 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:12.840 Or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:17.760 changing it with the Bell Cast. Hey, hey, Jamie, Hey Caitlin, 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:23.000 do you want to accompany me in this cave and 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.400 explore it together? Wait? Wait, wait, I just need a 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:32.200 triple check something. Okay, has anyone ever been in this cave? Um? 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.400 Probably not? But who could say? Okay? That's fine. I 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.440 have a question. I have a second question. Follow up? Okay, Um, 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:42.800 is this cave just like some really long vagina metaphor? 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.800 If so, I didn't? Yes, yeah, I mean aren't all 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:53.440 caves do it? All? Right? Here we go. We are 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:59.840 now descending into the cave effortless beautiful. Welcome to the 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.480 extel Cast. Uh. My name is Caitlin Darante. My name 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.839 is Jamie Loftus, and we're just gonna We're just gonna, 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.880 you know, rope on down. I'm like, I'm gonna make 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:13.399 it very immediately clear that I've never been spelan king. Uh. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.480 Let's rope on down into the vagina metaphor. That is 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:22.559 one of the scariest movies that I've ever seen. I think, yes, 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.839 this and this is our show, The Bechtel Cast, where 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:30.119 we examine film through an intersectional feminist lens. We use 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.080 the Bechdel test as a jumping off point for discussion, 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:38.039 that being a media metric invented by queer cartoonist Alice 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.560 and Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace Wallace. Oh my god, 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.319 uh Wallace test, And I really just my mouth just 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:50.680 went another place, the Becktel Wallace test. Yes, and that 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.520 requires our rendition of the test that two people of 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.960 a marginalized gender speak to each other about something other 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.800 than a man for at least two line of dialogue. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.960 Shouldn't be that hard. It really shouldn't be that hard. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.240 But but some people really, I mean, I don't know 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.839 if we if Christopher Nolan has really gotten there yet. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.320 So you know, it's like we're always pushing for growth. 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.399 He simply has never seen two women talk to each other. 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.040 Our thoughts are always with Christopher Nolan and his quest 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.920 to get two female characters to speak to each other about. 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:28.919 Not Leonardo DiCaprio. But you know, someday, well, today's movie 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.720 should fare a little bit better, but not to spoil 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.680 anything spoil away, because today we were talking about The 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.320 Descent and we have a guest with us who we 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:43.240 are very excited about. She is a filmmaker, an artist, 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:50.919 and a consultant. It's Darby Rose with you. Yes, please descend. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:55.680 Let's with us into the vagina metaphor? Which character is 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.240 it that descends really quickly? And you're like, oh no, 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.320 but then she's like, I descend all the time. That 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:07.320 would be Holly, Holly, yes, And then I mean Holly, 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.119 she should maybe descend a little slower as we learn. Anyways, 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:15.639 this movie is so scary. Thank you for coming. I'm 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.960 so stoked, and thank you for bringing us this movie. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.200 Oh yeah, I love this movie. I saw it years 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:26.120 ago on the interwebs and then again at sin a 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:30.200 family and the director actually came and did like a 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.799 Q and a yeah. It was really rad um and 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:35.360 you know, he said a lot of the stuff that 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.840 you can read on IMDb trivia, which is fairly fascinating. 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.920 But I loved it and watching it again it was 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.800 like this moothe is still badass and scared the ship 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.480 out of me. Yeah, it's like I'm still scared. It's 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:51.600 like broad Daylight. I just got so scared by their 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.920 own terrors in their own lives and then the terrors 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.640 below ground that they embark with right that they descend 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:05.840 upon on. Yeah, Jamie, what's your history with the movie. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.880 I had really no history with this movie at all. 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.800 I knew that it was a horror movie with an 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.000 all female cast, and that is all I knew. And 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.280 I'm really glad I went into it knowing essentially nothing, 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:24.240 because every I feel like I got the two thousand 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.080 five theatrical experience that I was that I would have 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:33.080 because it's so I mean, like our discussion aside like it. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.600 It's so scary, it is so well paced, Like there 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.200 were so many times that I was surprised, and then 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.800 I had to go seek out the UK ending. I 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.080 watched a cut of it that had the US ending, 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.320 and I'm like, I I still don't know what ending 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.200 I prefer. I think I know what ending I prefer, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.360 but I don't. But I'm but I don't know. There 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.560 it was really good. It was really good and really scary, 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.360 and I was I don't know, Yeah, I was very happy. 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.880 I went in kind of not knowing anything about it. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.960 What about you Caitlin. I saw this movie in theaters 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.320 in two thousand five, depending on what month that came out. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.919 I was either a freshman or sophomore in college, and 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.240 I went with my best friend j T, friend of 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:16.320 the show Twilight, UM, and we saw it together because 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.320 we had a habit of seeing horror movies, especially together 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.560 in theaters, and then both being so scared about whatever 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.280 we watched. We would then have to like just stayed 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:32.120 over at each other's apartments for like a week afterward, 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.919 just to take comfort in knowing that someone else was 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.640 there to protect us. UM. So that was very much 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:44.159 the case for The Descent. I thought it was one 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:48.080 of the most effective horror movies I had ever seen, UM, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.279 because a lot of horror movies it's like they're in 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.440 a haunted house and it's like, Okay, then leave the 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.800 haunted house, or like the reason that they can't leave 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.320 will be so like plot device e or ridiculou list. 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:05.440 But this one, it's like they had to keep going forward, yeah, trapped, 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.400 like there are no I mean, well, I don't want 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.280 to say there are no story logic issues, because like 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.160 what about the cave dwellers, but I mean, for what 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.719 it is like the world building that it accomplishes, You're 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.760 just like, oh my god, like, oh, it's just so scary. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.880 I feel like it. It does enough kind of early 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.520 on too that I truly wasn't like, I don't like, 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.359 there were different moments where I'm like, I don't know 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.480 if this is going to be a last girl situation, 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.160 like maybe more maybe no one will get out, maybe 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.080 multiple people will get out, Like I just have no 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:40.000 And I certainly I was watching this movie by myself, 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.240 and I was just sort of like giving my boyfriend 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:46.279 brief summaries every few minutes of what was happening. Um, 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.479 but I certainly didn't see a truck full of spears 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.400 crashing into them at the beginning. That was it was like, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.760 just what kind of truck was that? It was a 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.880 truck full of spears and the spears were on top 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:03.200 of the truck and that so it's like borried, but 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.640 not for long stretches. And then you don't like, I 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.080 wasn't sure. I knew so little about it that I 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.640 wasn't sure if there were going to be quote unquote 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.680 monsters at any point. And you get like pretty far 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:16.680 into the movie without that happening, and so it was 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.960 like a cool surprise when you're like, oh, there are 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:25.960 little little vagina monsters inside the vagina uh and not 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.000 in this movie to be called the m STDs. They 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.960 are cave dwellers. But now maybe I will refer to 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:35.160 any lady problems as I've got a cave dwelling of 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.000 the Sunday. I love I love that the movie does 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.040 have like it's kind of like two movies in one, 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:46.440 because it's not until according to IMDb trivia, fifty one 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.560 minutes into the film does the cave dwellers do they 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.840 come out? Like the killing doesn't start happening until then, 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.440 And I feel like, up until then, it's already like 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.640 so scary, but it's not. It's just good. It's just 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.880 a good time. Every moment that you get scared or jump, 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.640 it feels so like, yeah, they deserve to do that 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:14.160 to me, I deserve that, And it's and it's also like, yeah, sad, 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.520 and you're getting to know these characters, and I think actually, 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.640 by the time they start dying, I was kind of like, 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.040 that's okay, I'm okay, I'm okay with this. Even though 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:24.960 I've gotten attached to some of them except for a 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.760 bitch as do you know I'm okay with this. I 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.880 have no sympathy for that home record. Oh well, I oh, 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.679 I have a whole thing about her. We'll get to it. Man. 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.560 I feel like I'm weirdly empathetic. I mean, there are 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:40.719 some things where you're like Juno, like what, but the 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.959 dude has a loaded character. There's so much going on there, 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.719 so much. Yeah, yeah, for sure. My only issue too, 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.240 though with them doing that to Juno was she was 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.800 like the only woman of color, and was like, yes, 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.319 why do you gotta do that to her? Well to 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.800 me and we'll talk about this. But just to give 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:03.880 you a little niak peek, the movie suggests that women 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:08.319 are so petty that they will just kill each other because, like, 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.320 I understand the anger of learning that your best one 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.640 of your best friends like was having an affair with 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.200 your husband, But are you going to be so angry 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:20.280 that you kill her or leave her to die? That 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:24.040 was that was definitely like her change and you know 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.520 when she becomes like a little cave dweller herself, like 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.280 after death dies. You know, I was like trying to 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.199 believe this change, but I was like, but you just 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.280 didn't give me that like anger building up. You gave 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.760 me a lot of anxiety and hallucinations, but you didn't 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.120 give me this like anger that burst or she just 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:48.120 like snapped, you know, or maybe they did, but I 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.560 didn't believe it. I kind of was. I I don't 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:52.800 know why. Like one of the things I was sure 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.120 of was that I felt so sure. I don't know. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.240 I just was like, well, I don't think that Sarah 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.520 is going to kill I just didn't think Sarah was 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:01.920 going to kill Juno. I thought they were going to 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.600 both escape and then have like the most terrifying discussion 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.959 of Juno's entire life. Like that was kind of what 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.200 I was hoping for, is that they would both live 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.360 and then they would just have to coexist with every 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:17.439 bit of trauma in relation. Yeah. Yeah, like it's just 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.680 every single conceivable imaginable trauma. I was kind of Yeah, 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.599 I mean honestly in a in a movie that like 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.839 I really really really enjoyed that. That was like one 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.480 of the choices where I feel like maybe if I 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.720 saw in theaters, I would have been like fuck, yeah, 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.520 you know, like that's so cathartic, But like, yeah, being 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.719 that she is the only woman of color, and it 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.439 kind of like makes Sarah. I don't know. I was like, 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:43.199 I feel like Sarah is gonna Also just logistically, I'm like, 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.079 Juno is the only person that has, you know, been spelunking, 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:52.640 Like obviously she fucked this day up, but she she 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.880 has the skills to get us up in any case. Well, 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.559 I watched the sequel to Okay. I wanted to because 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.079 I read a about it and I'm so curious why 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:06.520 they took that route. Yeah, what is so? Spoiler alert 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:11.679 everyone for The Descent Part two. Um, it's the same 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.200 cast sort of where basically it picks up right where 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.960 the first movie leaves off, where like the authorities find 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:23.120 Sarah having just escaped from the cave, but she doesn't 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:27.760 remember anything. I guess the trauma has made her unable 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.880 to remember what just happened. So they're like, well, all 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.040 of your friends are missing. We have to go back 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.920 down into the cave to find them. And she's like, 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.559 I guess I don't know what happened down there. So 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.840 she and like some I don't know if they're park rangers. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.040 I think there's like a cough, few cops, but they 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.720 all go into the cave because they don't believe the woman. 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.599 Well that and she doesn't remember, which I think we 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:00.719 we've talked about how like women having amnesia is like 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:06.000 often a plot device in movies, and women be having amnesia, Well, 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:11.880 women's brains are so unreliable. Um, So they go back 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.160 down into the cave and they basically find all of 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.960 the dead bodies of her friends. They find the cave 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:25.719 dwellers again. But guess what, Juno has survived and she wait, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.520 she like fought everyone off with her broken leg, with 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.920 her broken right, with her stabbed leg, and yeah, so 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:36.120 she she's survived. And basically the rest of the cast 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.960 dies except for Sarah and Juno. They are like kind 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.679 of the two final girls at the end and they 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.360 sort of reconcile where they're like, we have to protect 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.760 each other, and they both they kind of both like 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:52.360 martyr themselves for each other. So the second movie kind 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.199 of it ends. It ends in a way that I 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:59.280 like better than how this first movie sounds like how 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.599 I wanted the first This movie the end was like 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.319 that they would somehow be what I was hoping. Yeah, 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.320 I mean, I'm like, maybe this is shooting too high 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.600 for a movie, a man wrote in two thousand five. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.680 But I was hoping that they would have some sort 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:17.079 of like intense cave discussion there in the Vagina, and 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.800 they're just like, wait a second, Like, you know, it's 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.280 very I feel like sometimes in these situations it's like 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:28.120 maybe her husband was like an total asshole who like 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.920 misled both of them and all this stuff, and they're like, Okay, well, 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.120 good thing, you got stabbed. Let's get out of here, 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.079 or you know whatever whatever that they have some some 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.319 sort of like they don't have to like each other, 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.360 but some some kind of thing that doesn't involve just 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.680 murdering each other. But I'm glad that that man that's 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:52.360 so is horror sequels never correct things. That's great. Yeah, 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.280 did you guys read the IMDb trivia because you keep 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.559 calling it the Vagina And one of the trivia pieces 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.920 was that so all the caves were obviously not real, 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.280 they built like twenty one different caves, and that they 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:10.120 called that tight narrow one of vagina they would always 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:11.880 be like all were going in. Yeah, so I thought 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.199 that's like you guys were referring to. I thought everyone 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:19.120 read the trivia like me, Wait, that's so fun yeah. 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.840 Anytime you drop a female cast into a large kavernart 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.720 space and the movies written by a man, I'm like, well, 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:30.160 we know what this is about. Like, yeah, I guess. 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.640 He So he did Dog Soldiers, which I still haven't seen, 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.360 and then they asked him to do this and he 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.120 was like, I don't really want to get like known 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:43.840 as a like horror director. And then something changed and 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.000 he was like, all right, screwt, let's do it. But 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:47.520 you know I want to do with an all female 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.800 cast and a sin a family. He put it better 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.040 than and how it's put on IMDb. He was just like, 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.640 you know, with women, they are more likely to talk 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.640 about their feelings about why they're in the situation, versus 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.280 like the men I write don't talk about feelings. I 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:05.200 was like, okay, thank thank you, but it's in a family. 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.000 He was like, he's like, well, women have more dynamic 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.080 and I was like, yeah, okay, I like that. He's like, 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:11.720 I think we need to see more movies with like 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.320 all cast of woman and he's like, so I asked 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.640 all my female friends. I'm like, you know, it's so funny. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.360 Is what you should have done? You should have given 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.440 the movie to a woman to direct and write. It's 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.440 cute that you wanted to learn to be a woman, 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:27.400 John Sweden, But you could just give the project to 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:31.280 a woman and then yeah, and then he did it 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.480 and and then I guess they made them all like 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.840 have different accents because he had like a primarily UK film. 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.880 Actually I get the ending of this movie often confused 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.840 with the Ruins the genem alone. Basically I don't even remember. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.040 She gets stuck in a pyramid or something. It's like 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.880 a bunch of white people go to like a brown 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.400 country and they get stuck in a pyramid. But then 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.600 the pyramid like create some virus or disease and if 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.160 you leave, and then like the natives they think are like, 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.840 don't leave your curt But then eventually she gets away 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.360 and the ending but is infected. So I always get 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.600 the ending of the Descent in this mixture. Two entirely 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.040 different movies, extremely different. But I think the early two 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.680 thousand's horror films where it gave you that hopeless ending 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.800 was like kind of a thing. Yeah, for sure, except 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.520 for the American ending. I like, I like a hopeless ending. 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.720 I do too, I love a hopeless ending. I don't 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.000 care about life. Let's do it. I'm like, you know, like, realistically, 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:31.520 there's rarely a last girl in life, you know, Yeah, 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.560 I kind of when I went back and watched the 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.840 UK ending to this, I mean, we'll talk about but like, 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.120 I mean, obviously it's more bleak, but I'm like, this 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.480 makes more sense. This makes more sense. Yeah, and more 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.960 likely that that would have would have happened that way. Probably, Yeah, 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:52.160 they were all fucked. Ye. Well should I recap the 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.760 movie and then we can really dive in, we can 0:16:55.800 --> 0:17:02.120 really descend into the discussion. Let's do it. Okay, So 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.080 we open on a group of three kind of like 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:11.720 adrenaline junkie women. They are Sarah, Beth, and Juno, who 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.520 we see like whitewater rafting. Sarah has a husband and 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:20.000 her young daughter and they are brutally killed in a 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.359 car accident on the drive home. But I can't emphasize 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:27.040 it enough. A truck with spears on top of it, 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:31.280 and the spears are loose. They were like, I think 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.080 they're just like narrow pipes, which might be foreshadowing the 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:40.879 narrow pipiness of it all. I really did appreciate. I 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.200 kind of like when like a horror movie cuts to 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.119 the chase of like, no, this is gonna be a 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.399 gory one because the second you see that whatever it 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:53.560 is go through her husband's head right after she's like, babe, 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.320 you're distant because he's cheating on her, and then he's 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.320 like um, and then it's just instant karma piped through 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:06.720 the head. Yes. Um. So Sarah is obviously devastated, and 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.400 then we cut to one year later. She's still dealing 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.960 with the grief, but she decides to go cave diving 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.720 in Appalachia with her friends Beth and Juno, as well 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:21.680 as some other friends, Becca, Becca's sister Sam who is 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:25.240 a med school student, and Holly, who is the one 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.160 who's like kind of the most reckless and thrilled speaking 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:32.440 of the group. One of the group, right. She descends 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:39.159 quickly and then they head for bore Um Cave, or 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:43.639 what they think is bore Um Cave. They arrive at 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:49.480 the mouth of a cave and begin there descents right away. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.879 When they're inside, some something's happened. There's like a bloody handprint, 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.480 A bunch of bats fly around and startle them. There 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.360 was a dead deer right near the mouth of the cave, 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.040 and We're like, hmm, I wonder if anything bad is 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.399 going to happen. They start poking at it like a 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.000 dead body, like and stand by me or something. It's like, 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:09.720 you guys want to see a dead body and we 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.520 start poking. They're like, come on, we gotta go. We 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.080 have to have a descent, Okay, So they go further 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.280 into the cave. They go down this narrow tunnel, which 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.960 I guess was the vagina is what they called it 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:27.640 on set. I mean, yeah, I mean there's a pool 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.479 full of blood at the center of it. I mean 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:34.680 it's very it's a very siss normative situation they're descending into. 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:41.479 Uh so they don't know where they're going. It's very 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.560 dark and scary. And then Sarah gets stuck in one 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:48.800 of these very narrow tunnels. She starts panicking. The tunnel 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:53.760 starts to collapse. So I actually had to walk out 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:55.639 of the room at one point. I was like, I 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.520 can't even watch this. That was the scariest part for me. 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:03.480 The claustrophobia. Yeah, I definitely have claustrophobia, and that was 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.160 my worst nightmare. Like I'd rather deal with the cave 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:10.040 dwellers and yeah, yeah, like once you get to the 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.280 cave dwellers, we're like, okay, this is like this is imagination, 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.520 but that like moment of horror at the beginning, because 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:17.280 at the beginning of this movie, I was like, Oh, 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.360 I've kind of always wanted to do that, and then 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:24.680 immediately you're like, I've had a change of heart. Yeah. Yeah, 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:29.119 So Beth helps her get out, but one of the 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.800 bags of ropes gets lost in the rubble, and then 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.960 that way out is now blocked. So did they send 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:38.480 it with the last person? Though? Right? Questions? Why? Yeah, 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.880 that is a good question. Why do we ever find out? 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.000 This is maybe a plot hole bit? But why doesn't 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.119 Juno take the book? Like? Is it just because she's like, 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.680 we're so bad? But it's like if she knew the 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.719 book that she has is for Borom Cave, but they 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.240 don't go into Borom caves, so that's why she doesn't 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.040 bring it. She's like, why bother that makes more sense, 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.400 that's right. She is like, we don't need this ship 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.280 because we didn't even go not even but I'm gonna 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.000 rush everyone because we've got to get to the vagina. 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:12.840 Now there's there's also a there's a female orgasm joke 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.080 in there, it's how how do you give a lemon 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:20.160 an orgasm? You touch it's? You touch it citrus, which 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.040 is supposed to sound like clitter as it's not a 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.800 it's not a good punchline. I'm like, maybe that works 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:30.840 better with a Scottish accent. I'm not sure. Okay, So 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.119 that one way out is blocked and they're like, no 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:38.360 big deal, there are two other ways out of Borom Cave, right, 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.359 And that's when we learn Juno didn't bring them to 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:45.680 Borom Cave. She brought them to a different, uncharted cave 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.080 that no one has ever been inside of before, or 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:53.240 so they think shady, but this means that they have 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:57.240 no idea how to navigate it, and no one knows 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.800 they're down there, so if they do turn up missing, 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:05.720 like the rescue team will search the wrong place. Um So, 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:10.680 then Sarah thinks she sees something or someone lurking in 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:14.920 the distance. Maybe it's a yeast infection that's affecting this. 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:17.840 I was I was just like the U T I 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:26.199 lurking in Yeah as U T I. Do they make 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:32.360 that sound too? Yeah? You don't very echo yeah. Um 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.639 So they move onward to find a path out of 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.680 the cave and they come upon this deep ravine that 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.119 they have to get across, and as they're doing that, 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:45.280 they notice a hook that's already embedded in the roof 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.160 of the cave and they realize someone's been downe there before, 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:52.239 but it's equipment that's like several decades old. So they're like, well, 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:54.960 if people have been down here before, why is this 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:58.320 cave still uncharted? And they're like, they haven't touched this 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:02.480 equipment in a Hunters that's my also horrible accent, but 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:07.360 bear with it. But then they come upon some cave 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:11.640 paintings that show that there's another entrance to the cave. 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:16.840 But then Holly, who loves scrambling ahead of everyone, falls 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.879 into a hole and breaks her leg, and while the 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:23.119 rest of the group is dealing with her injury, Sarah 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:27.359 hears something. She breaks away from the group and sees 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.879 what appears to be a man or a kind of 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:35.680