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Speaker 1: you know. This is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 1: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 1: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 1: can make your own decisions. Around eight am Wednesday, janu

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Speaker 1: a forest defender who went by Torte Guita sent out

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Speaker 1: a text message that read morning raid. Please help. Just

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Speaker 1: minutes prior, a multi agency coalition of heavily armed law

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Speaker 1: enforcement officers led by the Georgia State Patrol began a

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Speaker 1: raid on the Wollanee Forest in southeast Atlanta. Encampments have

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Speaker 1: sprung up throughout the forest since November one in protest

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Speaker 1: the wake of the corporate funded Atlanta Police Foundation seeks

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Speaker 1: to control over three hundred acres of the Willannee or

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Speaker 1: dollars for its first phase of construction. The police raid

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Speaker 1: on January eighth started off pretty similar to previous raids

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Speaker 1: the Georgia State Patrol, seemingly it was their first time

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Speaker 1: Georgia State Patrol officers shot and killed a protester in

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Speaker 1: state trooper was being sent to Grady Hospital with a

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Speaker 1: an exchange of gunfire. Rather predictably, the police claimed that

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Speaker 1: the deceased force defender had surprised the armored swat team

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Speaker 1: and fired First, this is Peter, a force defender I

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Speaker 1: am saying morning raid, please help um, and the shooting

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Speaker 1: Due to cops track record of lying about police killings

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Speaker 1: Community Press Collective for more information about the sequence of

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Speaker 1: Records show that two people were arrested maybe thirty to

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Speaker 1: by the Georgia State Patrol was Manual Tehran, also known

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Speaker 1: by their forest name Tortu Ghita, which means little turtle.

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night. I've been reporting on and writing about the

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Speaker 1: the various updates put out since then will certainly help

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Speaker 1: Episode one, what You're listening to right now will largely

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Speaker 1: get into who Tortuguita was as a person and the

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Speaker 1: stories about them from friends and comrades. Episode three and

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Speaker 1: four will cover protests in the wake of the police killing,

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Speaker 1: about their experiences the day of the shooting. God, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can only obviously only speak for myself. Um, for me,

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Speaker 1: it was terrifying. We we had obviously already lived through

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Speaker 1: Investigation set up a press conference as the raid was

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Speaker 1: very much still ongoing. First, a gb I spokesperson explained

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Speaker 1: secure the site of the future City of Atlanta Public

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Speaker 1: At approximately nine o'clock this morning, as law enforcement was

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Speaker 1: Police are going to cover for each other. We know

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Speaker 1: this by now. A day after the shooting, the Georgia

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Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation stated that there was no body cam

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Speaker 1: footage of the incident, but open records requests were filed

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Speaker 1: asking for bodycam footage from the forest around the time

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Speaker 1: of the incident, not only from the State Patrol, but

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Speaker 1: also from the Atlanta and De Cabb County police departments.

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Speaker 1: Two days after the police killing in Atlanta, p D

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Speaker 1: spokesperson said that a p D officers were not in

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Speaker 1: the area of the shooting and that no footage from

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Speaker 1: Wednesday's operation would be released, citing the ongoing investigation. And

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Speaker 1: then a whole three weeks after the shooting, on feb

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Speaker 1: weary eight, the Atlanta Police Department released bodycam footage from

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Speaker 1: four officers who were in the woods at the time

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Speaker 1: of the shooting. An officer in the group estimated that

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00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: they were just one hundred feet away. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: play audio of the gun shots or any use of

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Speaker 1: police weapons, but I'll be including a few brief snippets

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Speaker 1: of police chatter that I and others found relevant. Most

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Speaker 1: of the clips will only be a few seconds long,

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Speaker 1: so you can skip ahead if you want. I'll give

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Speaker 1: you a heads up at time of recording. There are

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Speaker 1: four videos released, and they show a self described quote

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Speaker 1: unquote clearing operation being done by a single group of

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Speaker 1: ap D officers. Shortly after tearing apart and slicing up

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Speaker 1: two tents with a pocket knife, suddenly four gun shots

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00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: are heard nearby, followed a second and a half later

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Speaker 1: by a large volume of gunfire. I estimate over thirty

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Speaker 1: gun shots fired by multiple weapons. No verbal commands were

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Speaker 1: picked up by the microphone. Two chest mounted cameras were

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Speaker 1: rolling before the shooting. Forty seconds after the gunfire, ap

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Speaker 1: D officers were told to turn on their body cams

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Speaker 1: and two more cameras began rolling. At that point, Officer

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Speaker 1: down started getting repeated over the radio, but initially there

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Speaker 1: were questions among officers about how much of the sounds

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Speaker 1: heard were fireworks versus gunshots. Multiple officers identified hearing suppressed gunfire,

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Speaker 1: meaning the use of a quote unquote silencer. Here's two

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Speaker 1: clips totaling around fifteen seconds for that sounded like suppressed gunfire. Here.

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Speaker 1: Just minutes after police opened fire and killed Tortuguita, an

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Speaker 1: ap D officer on the ground said this in response

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Speaker 1: to the Georgia State Patrol trooper that was shot. You

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Speaker 1: fucked your own officer up, possibly said in response to

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Speaker 1: other officers noting that the gunshots sounded suppressed. Confirmation spread

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Speaker 1: on the ground that estate trooper was shot, but never

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00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: once mentioning anything about a protester firing. Police continued advancing

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Speaker 1: toward a nearby tent with guns drawn and officers yelling

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Speaker 1: back and forth to check their crossfire. As teams were

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Speaker 1: organizing the evac of the injured trooper and warning about crossfire,

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00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: police stated that they did not want to cause another incident.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll just we just need a hole until

483
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: we can get them out, get the whole steal first.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to cause another incident. At this point,

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Speaker 1: there was a great deal of intentional coordination of officer

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00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: movement and a lot of effort being put into preventing

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Speaker 1: police officers from being in each other's line of fire.

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Speaker 1: This next batch of adio will be a little bit longer,

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Speaker 1: about a minute. Hey, wat's cause fire order? What's call fire?

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Speaker 1: We're on on the side. Let's say let's say let's

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Speaker 1: say what I'm saying. Everyone is back here because we

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00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: need to shift. There's everyone is back here, so y'all

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00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: shoot from that side. There's more officers over here, so

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00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: we need to shift back on this side. Public. Ta hey, sorry,

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00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: s the hill potter, come this way. We watched this

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Speaker 1: dis lay part of call. All right, go around, Okay, cool,

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Speaker 1: We're going on the other side. There, I got you,

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00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: I got you right right there is the face of

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Speaker 1: our art semi circle. Everyone he could pick back this way. Hey,

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00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: keep coming this way, keeps coming back this way? On anybody,

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00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: do a contact? What they want from? Who are you

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00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: wring about? They need who? Police started firing off flashbangs

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00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: and prepping chemical weapons as they moved further into the

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Speaker 1: woods near where the deadly police shooting just took place

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00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: moments prior. Holy hey nine or you will be bit

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00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: fuck around and you're gonna find out. From another angle,

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00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: you can hear a cop laugh in response to his

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00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: fellow officer threatening funk around and find out, just minutes

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00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: after police killed a protester. Yeah, if you listen carefully,

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00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: you can hear an officer muttering about how large the

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00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: police presence is, saying, we've got so many resources. We

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00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: don't need to rush this ship sandwich on a second,

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00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: I've got so many resources rushes shop. Cops shot off

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00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: quote unquote les lethal pepperballs at an unoccupied green tent

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00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: and only ended up gassing themselves as they had to

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00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: walk through the peppered up trees on their way to

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Speaker 1: the tent. Literally, there was over a minute and a

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Speaker 1: half of just straight coughing. When they arrived at the tent,

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00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: officers got into a brief conversation about the deadly shooting

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00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: that just took place and the injured trooper step shoot

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00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: it on there. Huh when will we get shot? That

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00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: first arts worked, the first one that's right now for

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00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: threw round the Twitter. Remember that just two hours after

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Speaker 1: the shooting, even before the Georgia Bureau of Investigation's first

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00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: press conference that defend the force twitter account said quote,

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00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: we have reason to believe the officer shot today was

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00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: hit by friendly fire and not by the protester who

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00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: was killed unquote in an extremely un characteristic move. The

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00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: g b I put out a statement commenting on the

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00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: evidence during their ongoing investigation, cautioning against quote unquote speculation

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Speaker 1: and that quote memory and perception are fragile and the

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00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: myriad of factors can influence perception and memory unquote. The

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Speaker 1: morning after the body cam footage went public, a statement

534
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: was released by Tortoquita's family, saying, quote, the videos show

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00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: the clearing of the forest was a paramilitary operation that

536
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: set the stage for the excessive use of force and

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00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: also call into question previous reporting regarding the events leading

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00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: up to the police shooting unquote towards own mother, who

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00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: recently arrived in the United States on an emergency visa,

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00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: said weeks ago in an interview for The Guardian, quote,

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Speaker 1: I will go to the US to defend Manual's memory.

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00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that they were assassinated in cold blood, and

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00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna clear Manual's name. They killed them like they

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00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: tear down the trees in the forest, a forest Manual

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00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: loved with a passion unquote. There is an official go

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00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: fund me for Tortuguita, managed by and for their family,

547
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: with funds going to funeral expenses, plus travel, legal costs,

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00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: and to support the family in general during this time

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00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: of events grief. The fundraiser will be linked in the

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Speaker 1: show notes. This first episode has been a lot tackling

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00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: many of the most gruesome aspects of the struggle thus far.

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00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: Cricket talked about one way of responding to this influx

553
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: of anger and grief that everyone's been experiencing since the shooting. Yeah,

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00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: I mean there's just been there's been so much grief

555
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: and so much anger, and so many people coming together

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00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: and so many people trying to support one another. There's

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00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: been a at least among the folks I know, um,

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00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: a lot of trying to think through like what would

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00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: tort do w W t D and like loving one

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00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: another and supporting one another keeps being one of the

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00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: first things on that list. We will hear more about

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00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: Torteguita in the next episode memories and stories from friends, partners,

563
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: and comrades based on conversations and moments from the vigil.

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00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: But today I'll leave us with the words of Torteguita

565
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: quote the abolitionist mission isn't done until every prison is empty,

566
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: when there are no more cops, when the land has

567
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: been given back. That's when it's over. I don't expect

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00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: to live to see that day necessarily. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: hope so. But I smoke unquote music for this episode

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00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: by the narcissists cookbook and to propaganda. See you on

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00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: the other side. Yeah, the rain on leaves tickling, the

572
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: earliest of instruments the melody were mimicing is the sound

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00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: of wind whistling long before the safety its channing under

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00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: the stars, on the camp under or canopy. She sang

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00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: on song and she was far from silent. No virus

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00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: or violets, but the fragrance of her flowers. It continue

577
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: to invite us of medicine materials of vitamins are minerals

578
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: and all that is essential which just grew right beside

579
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: us and Tyson started fighting over the gifts that she

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00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: provided us, scorching the very soil that all of us

581
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: arrived from. And when empires learning can't withstand Bia, we

582
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: returned to the land where our ancestors rain dance. We

583
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: are all her creatures. We still bear her features, the

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00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: one and only reason all living things is breathing. The

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00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: city's deceive and lead. Go see the dirt, young gon,

586
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: be among the lungs of Mother Earth. Cud, I have

587
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: found your voice. Yea fare you take your fromm Yeah,

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00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: fire flashing bone Yeah. Before the shop him down, Before

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00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: that shop him down, there was the forest. A lot

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Speaker 1: of things have changed in the woods since I visited

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00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: last year. The even Trenchman Creek Park trailhead at Wilani

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00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: People's Park is now basically a massive mud pit, the

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00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: trees cut down and all the grass gone. Sidewalks and

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00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: bike paths have all been turned into rubble. As we

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00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: talked about in the last episode, the police have been

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00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: increasingly destructive during their more and more frequent raids on

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Speaker 1: the forest in the past year. The cops have demolished

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00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: dozens of treehouses and targeted protesters with escalatory tactics. The

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00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: last thirteen people who have been arrested near the forest

600
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: have all been charged with domestic terrorism for their mere

601
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: association with the Stop Cops City movement. As hard as

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00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: the cops are making it to continue being in the woods,

603
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: there is still something undeniably special about being in community

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Speaker 1: in the forest, or else people wouldn't be risking life

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00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: and legal consequences. Living in the woods for me was

606
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: like a dream. I came to the woods because I

607
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: was homeless and unemployed and was actually living in different

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00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: woods by myself, and tour actually came to the woods

609
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: for similar reasons. Toward lost their housing in Tallahassee and

610
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: decided to give this place a try as a place

611
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: to live in the forest, there was always over time

612
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: just developed like you know, um people built coffee shops

613
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: and like a kitchen people used and places for people

614
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: just like hang out and that and that continued. I

615
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: never stopped, you will never stop, and they never stopped

616
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: making life out better. It's comfortable, it's comfortable, and it's welcoming,

617
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: and there's a community as possible That's really the best

618
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: thing I feel like I could I can speak to

619
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: one It is that no matter what was going on,

620
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: people were always working to make the forests as welcome

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00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: out of spitch towards many people as possible. As the

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00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: night of the December thirte police raid, Tortuguita went back

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Speaker 1: to the camp in Wilani People's part to start rebuilding

624
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: after police tore down the encampments and protest infrastructure just

625
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: hours prior. I've never experienced such emotional and material security

626
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: as I have living in the Wolawnie Forest because there

627
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: are a community of people that are dedicated to taking

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00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: care of each other and making sure that we all

629
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Speaker 1: have our needs met. And that was something that tort

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00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: and I did for each other, often making sure that

631
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: we had enough water and food and rides to places.

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00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: It's really a wonderful place to live, and I've also

633
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: deep in my relationship to the earth being there, Like

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00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: living with the same trees for over a year is

635
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: a really profound experience. And also it's a really stressful

636
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: place and people are always butting heads in really interesting ways,

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00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: but we're committed to remaining in relationship with each other

638
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: as part of the magic too, is that if you

639
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: get into a fight with someone at camp, you don't

640
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: just you know, like move to a different apartment and

641
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: stop talking to them, like they're still around and there's

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00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: still a comrade. So we're committed to each other in

643
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: a way that's it's rare to find the society. Here

644
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: is Cricket talking about the type of support everyone has

645
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: for each other in the movement and how Towart really

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00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 1: embodied that. I think one of the things I've seen

647
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: in my experience of the movement is just the tremendous

648
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: amount of care that everyone has for one another. You

649
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: don't have to know one another, we don't have to

650
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: be on a legal name basis, and we still fight

651
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: for one another, we still protect one another, we still

652
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: try to save one another, and that is something I

653
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: saw tort embody regularly and I'm um, I'm grateful to

654
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: everyone who has helped keep me safe, and I always, yeah,

655
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to keep everyone else safe in any

656
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: capacity that I can. So we've done a lot of

657
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: safety trainings. Something that tort was a really big part

658
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: of was medic medic trainings, making sure that people have

659
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: access to life saving techniques and skills that are often

660
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: kept away from really vulnerable folks. So that is something

661
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: we've been trying to contribute and and that we're trying

662
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: to continue now toward us no longer with us we were.

663
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: We were supposed to meet yesterday to put together a

664
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: curriculum marginalized vulnerable people who face gun violence both from

665
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: the state and from right wing Newo Nazi fascists. You

666
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: name it um and we'll be continuing that work in

667
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: their in their name. When spending time in the Wulani forest,

668
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: and even for the many peripheral aspects of the movement,

669
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: people will choose a forest name. It's like a nickname

670
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: that helps hide your legal identity and Norman de plume.

671
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: Many chose Tortu Guita, which is Spanish for little turtle.

672
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: But it wasn't just chosen for its cute animal association.

673
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: I'll read from bitter Southerner quote. It was a nod

674
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: to the colonial era indigenous military commander of the same name,

675
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: who led Native American forces to one of their most

676
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: decisive victories against the then nascent U s Army in

677
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: seven Teene. Now Toward was allegedly apprehensive to share the

678
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: meaning behind their chosen name with a journalist who was

679
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: interviewing them, because quote that does not make us look

680
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: like peaceful protesters. We are very peaceful people, I promise. Unquote.

681
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: There are's a few other quotes attributed to Toward across

682
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: various articles that seemed to espouse a belief in non

683
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: violence as a tactical strategy. Quote, it's incredibly important to

684
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: continue having popular support. Cops. City is incredibly unpopular already.

685
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: We're very popular. We're cool. We get a lot of

686
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: support from people who live here, and that's important because

687
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: we win through non violence. We're not going to beat

688
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: them at violence, but we can beat them in public

689
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: opinion in the courts, even unquote. Based on frequent phone

690
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 1: calls with Toward about forced defense, Tortuguita's own mother has

691
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: shared similar sentence about towards politics, saying they quote carried

692
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: no malice unquote. I'm going to read one more quote

693
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: from Tortuguita about this topic. The right kind of resistance

694
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: is peaceful, because that's where we win. We're not going

695
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: to beat them at violence. They're very very good at violence.

696
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: We're not. We win through non violence. That's really the

697
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: only way we can win. We don't want more people

698
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: to die. We don't want Atlanta to turn into a

699
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: war zone. During my time in Atlanta, I wanted to

700
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: learn as much as possible about Torto Guita, about who

701
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: they were as a person, what kind of stuff they

702
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: enjoyed doing, what they were to the movement, but mostly

703
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: just listened to people's stories and memories of tort Peter

704
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: met Towards just shortly after they moved to Atlanta. So

705
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: I met Towards in Mayo, around the time when they

706
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: first got to the forest from Tallahassee. I met them

707
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: during that week of action, and they were like insanely

708
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: enthusiastic about being there. We met around a fire and

709
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: talked about how our enthusiasm for life sometimes offended people.

710
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 1: That was something that we had in common. They talked

711
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: about their mom a lot. I won't say I was

712
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: a close friend of Torts, but I was a dear

713
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: comrade to them, and being in relationship with them really

714
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: sharpened my conflict skills. I was in a few different

715
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: conflict with Towart and also on the sidelines for some

716
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: conflicts that they had with other people, and I learned

717
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: a lot about how to be more gentle with my

718
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: comrades and how to give people more grace in times

719
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: of high stress. This is a snippet from my conversation

720
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: with Cricket on what Tortu Guita brought to the movement

721
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: and how they really lived their politics to it was hilarious.

722
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: They were someone who always brought fund to whatever they

723
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: were doing. And I'm sure through the folks that you're seeing,

724
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: the folks that people can see on social media with

725
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: like the outpour and support for TOURT, that they were

726
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: involved in so many different groups, like so many different causes. Um.

727
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: And they were. They were an incredibly dedicated activists, but

728
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: someone who really felt that resistance could be fun, could

729
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: be joyful, could be celebratory. It was always an opportunity

730
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: to meet new people, to hug new people. Um. They

731
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: were a big hugger. They were someone who was always

732
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: checking in on other people. They were someone who was

733
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: always there to lend a hand, either literally or or

734
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: or metaphorically. And they really inspired I think a lot

735
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: of people, and I think that that was something huge

736
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: that they contributed to the movement, not just as a person,

737
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: but also bringing that joyfulness bringing that that energy, that

738
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: passion and excitement really inspired me and inspired a lot

739
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: of people. It's it's funny a lot of the people

740
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: I've I've talked to you were like have have like

741
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: mentioned just because of the different like you know, affinity

742
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: groups they've been in and stuff. There's like all people

743
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: I've talked to you talked have mentioned a lot like that.

744
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: They would not like regularly, but like everyone's in a while,

745
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: like get into conflicts with tort Like there was there

746
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: was someone who you would you would sometimes um who

747
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: there would be just happened to be disagreements with. But

748
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: despite disagreements, they were like one of the kindest people

749
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: that they met. Even when they're you know, arguing about

750
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: about something. It's like they would go so far to

751
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: make sure that other people knew that they were like

752
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: cared for and would would go and I just be

753
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: be very open towards like everybody they meet. Yeah, I

754
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: think they really tried to live into and walk the

755
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: walk of abolition and noncarcetol conflict of it's okay to disagree,

756
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: and disagreement doesn't mean that you've got to get kicked out.

757
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: It does not mean that you're a bad person. They

758
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: allowed for complexity and a law for processes of working

759
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: through things, of talking through things, and that's a a

760
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: huge gift. I I mean, I think anyone, regardless of

761
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: their level of activism, can relate to the idea that

762
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: it's hard to disagree. It's it's hard to be in

763
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: conflict sometimes. But I do think that they were really

764
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: committed to the relationships of trust where you could disagree,

765
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: where you could have different opinions, but that there was

766
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: still so much love and still so much care, and

767
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: that those things were not themselves in conflict. Those things

768
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: were actually very very much related. And yeah, no, it

769
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: was there. They're special and yeah, I'm just I'm just sorry.

770
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm just heartbroken. Tortuguita's partner and a close friend of theirs,

771
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: recorded a video shortly after the shooting, just talking about

772
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: who Tortuguita was and how they lived in community. I

773
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: got permission from their partner to use clips from that

774
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: video in this episode tour. It was always a very

775
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: welcoming presence there, always one of the greatest organizers we

776
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: had out there. They took care of everyone who came through.

777
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: They always want to make sure everyone was taken care of.

778
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: They were the ones who would welcome you into the

779
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: forest and they would make sure you have a sleeping bag,

780
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: a sleeping pad at tent, whatever you could possibly you

781
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: always making sure people are getting fed and just like

782
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm transparent, you've never had One of the people I

783
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: spoke with, Noah also talked about how Tortuguito was quick

784
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: to welcome people into the movement. I need to work

785
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: through various actions and around the forest and doing medical

786
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: work with them. Um. I think I think a lot

787
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: of people have recurred this, but I remember them as

788
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: being one of the kind of stuff not welcoming people

789
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: that I ever not working on the forest. Kind of

790
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: people come in was very like, very often kind of

791
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: like one of the first people agree with them, and

792
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: was always very like open to letting people come and

793
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: see and be a part of the community that had

794
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: been established on the woods. It was a very um

795
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: there was a strongly welcome in person. They were a

796
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: very welcome in person. I was always willing to do

797
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: to help somebody out and do the work I took

798
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: to make sure that's the commit that it could continue.

799
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: So much of the stuff around the forest, it's all

800
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: about like the militants in the woods and towards kind

801
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: of fell into that category, you know, people who are

802
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: wearing bala lava's camping out in the forest. Most of

803
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: the people I've interviewed are also more on that side

804
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: of things, but not everyone feels like they have the

805
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: ability to put on a ski mask and live in

806
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: the woods. One of the people I spoke with was

807
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: a mother named Karen, who started doing local neighborhood organizing

808
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: after connecting with Tortuguita last summer. So I met tourt

809
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: Less summer and there was like lots of things happening

810
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: in the park and you know, I'm a neighbor and

811
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: so I was a who really fought for you know,

812
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: tried to get the city council to vote against it.

813
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: And so I was interested, you know, curious and interested

814
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: about all of these events happening at the park. They

815
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: were all like mostly at nighttime. And I have a toddler,

816
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: and so I'm like boring and have a strict bedtime,

817
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: so I don't, you know, go out at nighttime. Um.

818
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: So I was like trying to find a place for

819
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: me and like people like me and they're boring, you know, parents,

820
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: and so I got connected them with Tort and we

821
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: start and we started, I guess going during the daytime,

822
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm taking my toddler over there to the

823
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: park to explore, and you know, we Tort and I

824
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: talked a lot about well, at first, they were really

825
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: excited about all the the idea, like children being at

826
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: the park. They really wanted it the park to be

827
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: for everyone, and very much like a neighborhood mom. Like

828
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: I was new to activism and I didn't even know.

829
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: I was like, um, you know, I thought we were

830
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: just like visiting a park, but you know, there's like

831
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: a whole lot of different things about being in it

832
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: that really kind of helped me navigate and showed me around.

833
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: In my experience, it takes a special kind of person

834
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: to onboard somebody new to this sort of thing. Some

835
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: anarchists can come off as a bit pompous sometimes or

836
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: at least hesitant to welcome new people in. Karen spoke

837
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: on how Tortuguita kind of showed them the ropes and

838
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: helped educate on everything from local organizing to security culture. Well,

839
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: I didn't have signal before. I was like, okay, I

840
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: want to reach out to try and make my neighborhood aware.

841
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: I made flyers and just like put like the environmental effects,

842
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, and I send it to tort and they

843
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: were like, okay, yeah, this looks good. And then I

844
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: was like, should it just be like anonymous or should

845
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: I you know, like make like Instagram or should I

846
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: put my name on it and you know all those things?

847
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 1: Should I put my number on it? And they were like, okay, well,

848
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: get a Google Voice number and you can set up

849
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: like an email for it, maybe use Proton. Then I

850
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: was like, should I just like I don't have to

851
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: put any information on it? But like what if you

852
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: know there's people like me and the neighborhood. I guess,

853
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: like how do you balance that? And they said no,

854
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: I think if you've got to like organize a neighborhood group,

855
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: it would be sick. So yeah, you know, they were

856
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: conscious of all those things, but also like knew where

857
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: when and where it was like appropriate, and we just

858
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: like bounced ideas back and forth. They really helped me

859
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: like navigate that. I really think it just shows how

860
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: inclusive they were that they like how they were engaged

861
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: with me and like, you know, an older neighborhood mom.

862
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: But they were really supportive and you know, I guess

863
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: made me feel valued, never made me feel embarrassed at anything.

864
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: I think it was just like if it wasn't about

865
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: like the party or I don't know, like being cool

866
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: or anything. They just really wanted the forest to be

867
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: for everyone and just how they were like willing to

868
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: engage with the community. My conversations with Karen and others

869
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: in Atlanta really showed toward as a person who was

870
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: always thinking about others and how to support the people

871
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: around them, not even just focusing on themselves while live

872
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: in the forest, but working to expand that care outwards.

873
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,959
Speaker 1: So yeah, I made this flyer and called a bunch

874
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: of other I don't even know if they were people

875
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 1: that were living in the forest or just people and

876
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, friends or whatever, but and was like, hey,

877
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: we're all going to go canvas and and I think

878
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: they slept in that day we met at the park,

879
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: but me and a couple of neighbors met like you know,

880
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: and I was like I had zero expectations and in

881
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: they texted me later and I was like, I'm so sorry,

882
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: but we'll do it again. But yeah, just that you know,

883
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: like they were willing to come put flyers door to

884
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: door and yeah, just like support me in that way.

885
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: Karen has continued to do neighborhood organizing since meeting towards

886
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: last summer, and it's a great example of the variety

887
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: of people involved in the Defend the Atlanta Forest movement.

888
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: Based on the many local people she's spoken with, Karen

889
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: says the stop cops any proposal is pretty unpopular in

890
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: the area. So yeah, we've just been like dropping flyers

891
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: off and just letting them know the environmental effects. And

892
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: everyone we've talked to like, you know, no one wants it,

893
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: and I think lots of people, lots of them called in,

894
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, to city council. But yeah, I guess Tort

895
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: and I and our kind of idea was like if

896
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: we can make a space. It's like, you know, they

897
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: may not want to go to the forest, but if

898
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: we can kind of create a space for them in

899
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: the movement. Cricket talked about the many projects that Tort

900
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: had a hand in and it's willingness to just go

901
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: out there and do things, not just sit around and

902
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: wait for the world to get better. They lived anarchism

903
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: in a very active way. I don't know if anyone

904
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: mentioned the Transanctuary that tort built and helped built and

905
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: and helped organize. I just want to uplift that as

906
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: just another sort of amazing project that they were involved with.

907
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: I remember hearing about it to talked about it and

908
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, yeah, you know, we're gonna have

909
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: a volunteer day. And then two weeks later we had

910
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: like another little check in and they were like, oh, yeah, no,

911
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: we we like did it. And I was like, excuse me,

912
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: Like I just just I don't know, they were just

913
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: like this this Tasmanian devil of social justice. Like I

914
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: felt like they were just constantly on the move getting

915
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: stuff done, supporting people. It's just it was I don't know,

916
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: like that's just another memory that I keep revisiting of

917
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: just being like, oh my god, they are not paralyzed

918
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: like they are living. They were living day to day right,

919
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: like they knew that tomorrow could bring another raid, like

920
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: they Yeah, they weren't stupid. They were really actually brilliant

921
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: and they could just they just lived every day so

922
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: fully and brought everything they had. A friend of Tortuguitas

923
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: that goes by the name levitate the Pentagon, which is

924
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: definitely in the top three force names that I've heard.

925
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: But they gave a statement to Rolling Stone where they said,

926
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: quote Tortuguita was a proud and figures anarchist. The struggle

927
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: for a total liberation came as their first commit and

928
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: in life we must honor that commitment. From a lot

929
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: of the like many of the trains that we did

930
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: together and times out there, they were just, um, I

931
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: don't have really funny they like to make people have

932
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: be like a very common presence during stressful times. Um.

933
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: And they could make like a joke really out of

934
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: manning in a situation. But a lot of remember like

935
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: a lot of conversations just about what we were doing

936
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: in the forest, and there are like reasons for being

937
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: out there, um and there you know, just kind of

938
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: a going these ideas of combating there you know, the state,

939
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: and then then the state's pushed for you know, destroying

940
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: the forest, for the effects that the would have on

941
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: the climates, for the increasing ability of the placed militarize

942
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: and to suppress not just people have la but law

943
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: enforced agencies across the country. Coming to training at the

944
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: facility to better clamp down on the presence. Yeah, just

945
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: they're really time to come back to pression. Towards capacity

946
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: for wit under high stress situations is something I heard

947
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: from a lot of different people, including towards friends and

948
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: their partner just really really like always like had a joke,

949
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: had like a really like good sharp commentary, or would

950
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: like give you like a cigarette professional ship poster. Yeah yeah,

951
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: I mean their meme game on point um Yeah, and

952
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: just always like doing a lot of things. And so

953
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: they were running around a lot, like getting things for

954
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: people and then handing it off to them, and so like, yeah,

955
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the times when we would

956
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: run into like for like often times we run into

957
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: each other be like oh hey, hi, hi, okay, we're

958
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: doing a thing and then like okay, I gotta go by,

959
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, and there's always like yeah, they were super

960
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: into that, oh that smile. Yeah. They love fruit snacks,

961
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: loved them, couldn't get enough of them. And they always

962
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: helped do the dishes. Can I just say like that's

963
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: a big deal. Yeah, Like no one likes doing the dishes.

964
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: It's like they were always there doing the dishes. They

965
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: were like oh my god, running water, hot water, like

966
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: I mean like like they're like like oh my god,

967
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: and just like yeah, that's that's what I want people

968
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: to know. Fruit snacks and dishes. Fruit snacks have come

969
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: up a lot throughout my conversations with people. Tortoquita's partner

970
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: and friend also talked about how Tort tried to balance

971
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: helping other people with their own self care. They were

972
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: always so passionate because they want to help people so

973
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: bad that they would put their all into it. And

974
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: it took a toll on on them in a lot

975
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: of ways. But they always were so fucking strong and

976
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: took on so much more than I ever could. They

977
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: they are an inspiration to us all. They also need

978
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: to like disappear for like hours or days at a time,

979
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: and just like rechart, they read a lot. Oh yeah,

980
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,479
Speaker 1: I were one of the like one of the things

981
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: to be sitting in their hammock near their tent and

982
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: just just we were eating and whatever it was they

983
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: were doing, shipping post and whatever they could to distress.

984
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: They were good about taking care of themselves, but they

985
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: did get into some conundrums where they'd get stressed out

986
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: and then you just see them like go off on

987
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: their own and then coming back in a few days

988
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: and then they're all good again. I'm gonnappy, go lucky.

989
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: I've heard them described as kind, and they definitely were.

990
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: I think the word that comes to mind the most

991
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: is earnest. They were just like incredibly earnest. I think

992
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: like the earnestness I'm talking about is like they truly

993
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: lived their politics like anyone can talk about like conclusivity

994
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: and love and fighting for the future, but they actually,

995
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, just in how they carried themselves and interacted

996
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: with me. They really did that. And lots of people

997
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: might be like cynical about it or maybe calum like

998
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: optimistic or naive, but they actually lived. I feel like

999
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: love sounds corny, but yeah, just like a love for

1000
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: people in nature in the forest. What was that pace

1001
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: we were talking about? Revolutionary death? Yes, yeah, they read

1002
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: that this last summer and it really had a strong

1003
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: impact upon them and they I think you were sharing

1004
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: as well that they had spoken about how they knew

1005
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: it was very possible that they were going to have

1006
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: this revolutionary a death and that back to them kind

1007
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: of giving their all. They were prepared and they unfortunately

1008
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: paid the ultimate prices. As said, as we all are

1009
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: sure Torto, wherever they are now, is happy to know

1010
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: that they gave their all all the way until the end.

1011
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: They were always they were a true revolutionary and gave

1012
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: their all to this movement. And I think now it's

1013
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: our job to take up that banner and carry on

1014
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: his name their name in multiple ways. Escalatory actions of

1015
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: police last December lad to the current fatal scenario, not

1016
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: just with the domestic terror framing as a pretext for

1017
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: using increased force, but also the physical destruction of treehouses

1018
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: resulting in people being out more vulnerable positions. They were

1019
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: very calculated in in their risks and they would never

1020
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: have had to be put in this situation if their

1021
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: home in the trees hadn't been destroyed. They lived in

1022
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: a treehouse, and the treehouse that they were really holding

1023
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: down and staying in was bulldozed in the mid December raids.

1024
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: On November twenty one, two thousand six, undercover Atlanta Police

1025
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: Department officers executed a no knock warrant on the home

1026
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: of ninety two year old Katherine Johnston in the Bankhead

1027
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: neighborhood of Atlanta. Police claimed to have evidence that crack

1028
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: cocaine was being sold out of the house. Officers in

1029
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: plain clothes cut off the burglar bars to Johnston's home

1030
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: of seventeen years and broke down her door. According to

1031
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: the police, the nine two year old woman shot several officers.

1032
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: Multiple cops were treated for a gunshot wounds. Katherine Johnston

1033
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: was shot and killed by the police in her own home,

1034
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: where police then claimed to have found marijuana thanks to

1035
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: an informant who said that they bought drugs at the house,

1036
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: except every single thing the police claimed was a lie.

1037
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: Earlier that day, an officer had found bags of marijuana

1038
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: in the woods. The drugs were planted on a suspected

1039
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: dealer who didn't have any drugs on him. The officer

1040
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: threatened to arrest the suspected dealer if he didn't give

1041
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: up information, leading to an arrest. The man gave the

1042
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: police an address on a Neil Street and a fake

1043
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: name to buy cocaine with. The ap D claimed the

1044
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: police were raiding the house because an informant had bought

1045
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: crack at Johnston's home. It turns out all of the

1046
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: injuries to officers came from friendly fire. They fucked up

1047
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: their own guys. The cops fired a total of thirty

1048
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: nine shots, five or six of which hit Johnston. As

1049
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: a ninety two year old woman living alone, she owned

1050
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: a rusty revolver for self defense. As these unannounced strangers

1051
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: in plain clothes kicked down her door, Johnston did fire

1052
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: once and missed. Three police officers in Atlanta executed Katherine

1053
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: Johnston as they shot each other with friendly fire. To

1054
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: cover this up, they lied and planted evidence. They ran

1055
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: a smear campaign against Johnston, further victimizing the old woman

1056
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: that they killed and who the cops knew was innocent.

1057
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: The police in Atlanta have a track record of shooting

1058
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: each other, killing civilians, and lying about it. With that

1059
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: history in mind, this next part might get a little complicated,

1060
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: but I think it's important. A lot of the people

1061
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: who knew Tort have talked about how they often advocated

1062
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: for non violence in direct action. Many have said the

1063
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: sequence of events put forth by police just doesn't sound

1064
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: like something Tort would do, and I very much understand

1065
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: this reaction. Police lie all the time, especially when it

1066
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: comes to people the cops have killed. It is very

1067
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: likely that Towart really was just murdered by the cops,

1068
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: But I also think there's part of this reaction that's

1069
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: almost like a self preservation mechanism, stemming from a worry

1070
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: that if a certain Pandora's box gets opened, what that

1071
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: would mean for the movement and for the struggle against

1072
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: militarized police and ecological collapse. More broadly, there's also many

1073
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,440
Speaker 1: scenarios that can lead to a brief exchange of gunfire,

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01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: especially with the Georgia State patrols relative inexperience conducting raids

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01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: in the forest. You can spend days just thinking of

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01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: various possibilities for what could have happened, as I'm sure

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01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: many people in Atlanta have. The recently released body cam

1078
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: makes some things more clear, but also opened up many

1079
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: possibilities to endlessly ruminate about, especially with on the ground

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01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: chatter indicating cops shot each other. This next person is

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: one of the original Force defenders I interviewed for my

1082
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: previous Defend the Atlanta Forest series from last May. As

1083
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: their partners stated, as it's from stated, what's from about

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01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: being moved by a piece called reflationary. They did not

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01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: show from the idea that they could buy for the

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01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: things that I believe in. They'd not show from the

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01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: idea that they could be murdered for the ideas that

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01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: I believe in. If I want to live, we should

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01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: not dismiss the possibility and reality. People can and maybe

1090
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: even should, look at this world, look at the police

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01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,839
Speaker 1: murdering three or four people a day, of a climate

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01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: catastrophe in them, and live him, of the rising tide

1093
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: of fascism, of the absolute fucking hell that we fucking

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01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: live him and bent. This can't go on. And I'm

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01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: willing to do any of them and pay any of

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01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: them to make it stop. We can't dismiss if that

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01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: is a very feel possible grievance, that is a very

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01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: real impossible instead of mind and that if that was

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01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 1: to rus face toward to wait us, if those came is,

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01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: if that was its position, that is not learn that

1101
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: and I, undoubtable are not will that in our willingness

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01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: to die for what we believe him. Tortuguita both privately

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01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: and publicly talked about an appreciation for non violence as

1104
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 1: a long term strategy, and the flip side of that

1105
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: is toward has also been described to me as somebody

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01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: who acts with intention, acts with great thought, and if

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01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: they did decide to do something, they would have had

1108
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: a good reason to, and they would not have chosen

1109
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: to do something if it had the potential to put

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01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: fellow forced defenders in unnecessary danger. Based on some of

1111
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: my conversations. While Toward advocated for the potential of non

1112
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: violence as a political strategy, they itself were not solely nonviolent.

1113
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: The Atlanta Police Foundation have lied about every single aspect

1114
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: of this project's development since the start. The g b

1115
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: I said that there was no bodycam footage, and the

1116
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: police have spent the last year fine tuning their propaganda

1117
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: to frame the Defend the Force movement as a criminal

1118
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: enterprise and anyone protesting against cops City as a dangerous

1119
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: terrorists and threat to public safety. But there is a

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01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: difference between mindlessly believing the police narrative and trying to

1121
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: not retroactively take away somebody's agency, especially if they did

1122
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,799
Speaker 1: make a decision that they thought was the right choice

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01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: given the circumstance around the idea. I think a lot

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01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: of people have I've been talking a lot about trying

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01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 1: to you know, there there's a there's there's narrative flaws

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01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: and the police of story about what happened on that

1127
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: right There's inconsistencies. We just now got photos of the

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01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: gun that their legend e legend was used, just like

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01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and it was days after

1130
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: the GPS and the show evidence final report. It does

1131
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: all look suspicious that I think. The thing that's bothered

1132
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: me is that I would never want to take away

1133
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: agency from someone who cannot speak for themselves that they

1134
01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: may have committed if torque that cop that as a

1135
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: shot fired in liberation against the state that murders thousands

1136
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,759
Speaker 1: of people and destroys millions more for the car solar system,

1137
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: the same state that seeks to help the South River

1138
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: flood and to make the soil tony degrees honor and

1139
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: to make Atlanta's air quality go down. I would never

1140
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: want to take agency away from my comrade to have

1141
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: done that when they cannot speak for themselves. And I

1142
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: don't think anybody should try and make it seem like

1143
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: make it seem like it would have been an unjustified

1144
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: at a shot fired at the police and defense of

1145
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: the forest as a shot fired in self defense. Cop

1146
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: shoot each other all the time, and actually they're terrible

1147
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: with arms. They're just not good at their jobs. GSP.

1148
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: I think as a as a specific agency is UM

1149
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: sometimes be focused time. I'm more here. I've seen a

1150
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: lot of people kind of wrap up GESP and a

1151
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: p D and like the CAMPD as they like very

1152
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: like just as one agency um g SP as A

1153
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: as Georgia State Patrol is under the direct command of

1154
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: our vern and do not where a body comes as

1155
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,759
Speaker 1: as an agency policy, UM they were the governor's star trippers.

1156
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: When he wants something done violently and without accountability, that

1157
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: is who he sends. And you know my reaction all

1158
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: of this, whether or not what the events transpired, is

1159
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: that our comrade is that our comrade was murdered by

1160
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,839
Speaker 1: the state, whether or not they allegedly fired on an officer.

1161
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: I think the solarity and rage that people should show

1162
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: should be the same either if there were to come

1163
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: out that there was in fact shot, I would be

1164
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,879
Speaker 1: so disheartened if people turned their back on our comrade,

1165
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: who was slamed by the police for when I see

1166
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 1: is an act of self defense. With all of the

1167
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: unknown around what happened the day of the shooting, what

1168
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: we do know for sure, I've heard boiled down to

1169
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: two simple points. Tort was killed defending the forest and

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01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: they die doing what it loved. The first event type

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01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: thing I went to in Atlanta was a noised demo

1172
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: outside the Cab County Jail Thursday night for the seven

1173
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: people arrested as a part of the deadly raid, all

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01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: seven of whom are now facing domestic terrorism charges for

1175
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: being in the forest. The next day, Friday, there was

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01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: a large public vigil in Wolani People's Park. Last time

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01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: I was there, it was for the Muskogee Creek Summit

1178
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: near the end of last spring. It was sunny. I

1179
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: was hanging out in the gazebo listening to ecological presentations.

1180
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: There was a large tent kitchen in the grass, and

1181
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 1: I got to sit around a table and eat food

1182
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 1: with people. When I arrived Friday evening for the vigil,

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01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: the first thing I saw was the destroyed remains of

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01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 1: the gazebo, almost on display by the entrance of the

1185
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: torn up parking lot. It was is such a clear

1186
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: visual indicator for how things have changed since the start

1187
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: of last summer. Near the tree line, a few hundred

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01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 1: people were gathered around a sort of outdoor shrine, a

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01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: few large stone slabs, overturned candles, flowers, forest plants, little turtles, pictures, art, cigarettes,

1190
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: and yes fruit snacks forming an orange glowing mound. People

1191
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: gathered and shared memories of Tortuguita. Many spoke of its

1192
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: kindness and solidarity with struggles across the South, from the

1193
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: defense of drag shows in Tennessee to mutual aid work

1194
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,879
Speaker 1: in Florida, where they helped build housing in low income

1195
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: communities hit hardest by hurricanes. I feel like Tortuguita's compassion

1196
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: was something that really shifted the culture in the forest

1197
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: and touched all of the lives of the people that

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01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: they met. Um. They lived what they believed, which is

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01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:08,480
Speaker 1: something that I hope we can all be inspired by. UM.

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01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: There are so many stories of people who were just

1201
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: mentioning to Tort like, oh, I'm in this situation, or

1202
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,480
Speaker 1: this happened to my friend, and they would just immediately

1203
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: be thinking of ways that community could help them or

1204
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: that they could help them. And someone just shared a

1205
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: story with me that the last time that they saw TOWRT,

1206
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 1: they were telling them about how uh the on housed

1207
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: folks in their community. We're getting their tents and sleeping

1208
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 1: bags like swept and then tort gave them two hundred

1209
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 1: dollars to UM like replace the sleeping bags and tents.

1210
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: And I feel like they were just they had such

1211
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: a sense of kinship with people, even people that they

1212
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: didn't know, they were so connected to like the ways

1213
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: that we are all a part of this web of life, UM,

1214
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: and so committed to living in a way that can

1215
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: bring us all into a better community with each other,

1216
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: whether it be us and our fellow human beings or

1217
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: us in our forests, UM. And they loved these woods,

1218
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: and I feel like the fact that these woods were

1219
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: where they departed from this realm into the next just

1220
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: makes it that much more important that we protect them

1221
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: and that we make sure that this forest remains intact UM.

1222
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 1: I know that that's what Tort would have wanted, That's

1223
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: what they died doing. And I think that in all

1224
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: of the chaos and desperation and devastation that this loss

1225
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: is bringing our community, I think that one of the

1226
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 1: things that has been keeping me going is remembering the

1227
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: love that Tort had for people and for all living

1228
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 1: beings and just feeling really connected to their compassion UM.

1229
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: And I hope that that's something I know that that's

1230
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: something that is touching has touched all of us, and

1231
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: the ripples of it are continuing. The love that Tort

1232
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: brought to this world is still here and it is

1233
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: continuing to grow. So I think that they're I think

1234
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: that they're here with us, and I think that they

1235
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 1: always will be because they brought so much joy and

1236
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: goodness and love into this world, and that's something that

1237
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: never goes away, it only grows. I've gotten permission from

1238
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 1: a few of the people that spoke that night to

1239
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: share some of their stories of Tortuguita. One of the

1240
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,839
Speaker 1: small things that stuck with me was how someone described

1241
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: Tort as possessing a playful, rebellious energy. Good Tort and

1242
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: I watched this UH yugoslav film together called My Father

1243
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: is the Socialist Lock, which was this joyful Yugoslavian film

1244
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: from the eighties about the transition after World War Two

1245
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: and Yugoslavia to autonomous self rule and breaking apart with

1246
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: the Soviet sphere. And in it UH, early on in

1247
01:19:56,280 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: the film, they're they're changing their social customs, adopted a

1248
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: new way of greeting each other in Yugoslavia where they

1249
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: they say good morning, death to fascism. And from that time,

1250
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:19,919
Speaker 1: when I would see towards always they would that's the fascism, comrade,

1251
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 1: that's the fascism, and um toward towards. When I first

1252
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: met them, invited me to teach Aikido in the forest,

1253
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 1: which is called it's a martial art, that's called the

1254
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: art of peace. And so while we train as warriors,

1255
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: we train as peaceful warriors. But as many people have said,

1256
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 1: we for instance, did defenses of drag shows in Tennessee

1257
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: from assemblies of Nazis and proud boys who showed up

1258
01:20:55,960 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: in body armor with sualt rifles and tour. It was militant,

1259
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: but joyful tour. It took all of the always it was.

1260
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: It was with the utmost gravity and yet with the

1261
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 1: utmost lightness. And you know, uh we we we as

1262
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: well arranged a weekend of conflict resolution training here where

1263
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: toward rallied and and was the one that brought you know,

1264
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: a half a dozen people. Was was always rallying people,

1265
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:42,719
Speaker 1: brought people to the drag defense, brought people to the trainings,

1266
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: brought people to my i Kedo class, maybe brought two

1267
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: dozen different people through over the course of several dozen classes.

1268
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 1: They were a peaceful warrior and they were in my

1269
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: flaudney and they got shot dead. And I'd like to

1270
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: I'd like to lead a chance in that spirit too,

1271
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: honor some of torts Warrior spirit tonight. And I know

1272
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 1: one that they liked is ah Auntie Antique Capitalista. And

1273
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: we could start together, slow and quiet and build together

1274
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: a powerful voice and pierce the night Auntie Antique, Happy

1275
01:22:34,040 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: Talista antiph thank you. Throughout the night, many songs were

1276
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: sung alongside screams of rage. Tortuguita actually left a tag

1277
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: with a little red sharpie on the guitar being played

1278
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 1: at the vigil. It's a little doodle of a cat

1279
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 1: face next to the words all cats are beautiful. Somebody

1280
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: at the vigil read out a few of the messages

1281
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 1: sent in to the remember tort at ProtonMail dot com

1282
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 1: email address, many of which you can now find collected

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01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 1: at stop cop dot city. That's stop cop period city.

1284
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: One of the things about tour it that was really

1285
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: inspirational is that they weren't just against capitalism, they weren't

1286
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 1: just against the police. They made abolition about what they

1287
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: were fighting for, and on the we Remember tort Uh

1288
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 1: proton mail. A lot of people have been sending in

1289
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: stories about how they contributed so much to each community

1290
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 1: that they were in, And I want to read this

1291
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 1: one that came in from someone in Tallahassee. Everyone in

1292
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: Tallahassee knew Manny. I'm not even exaggerating. They were a

1293
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: part of almost every single organization they could get their

1294
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: hands on in town. Food Not Bombs, the Plant, Live Oak,

1295
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 1: Radical Ecology, International Workers of the World, Tallahassee Community Action Committee,

1296
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: Free Dan Baker, Stopping HB one, etc. With every person

1297
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: who was lucky enough to be graced with their presence,

1298
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 1: they felt safe and free to do whatever they could

1299
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: for the community. They ran cold night shelter for the

1300
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: homeless practically on their own when the Kearney Center couldn't

1301
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: do it. They helped do grocery deliveries for those in

1302
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,600
Speaker 1: the south side of town for free. They showed up

1303
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: to almost every single meal share the F and B hosted.

1304
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 1: And this is only a fraction of the work that

1305
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,799
Speaker 1: they did for the Bond community here in Tallahassee and beyond. Manny,

1306
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,600
Speaker 1: I always watched you from the periphery with awe. I

1307
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 1: always wanted to be your close friend. I wish you

1308
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: could have seen the vigil that we had, you would

1309
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: have been proud. The large overturned stone by the flowers,

1310
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: candles and fruit snacks at the Wolani vigil had a

1311
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,879
Speaker 1: message written on it that I read when I returned

1312
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: to the park a few days later. The big boulder

1313
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: reads erected in memory of all whose lives were lived

1314
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: and unjustly lost in Wolani Forest. You live on in

1315
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 1: the trees, and I remembered by the land. You will

1316
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,719
Speaker 1: never be forgotten until every prison is empty, until every

1317
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: slave is free, until all of without fear, until earth

1318
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: has healed. Our work is not done. If it's okay,

1319
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: I'll share another of the message that was sent. Manny

1320
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,719
Speaker 1: was a close friend, comrade, and above all constant fighter

1321
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 1: for working people. I knew them in Tallahassee through the

1322
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 1: IWW food not bombs and live oak radical ecology, and

1323
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 1: I will never cease to be amazed by their tireless activism,

1324
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: their extreme empathy, and their ability to make everyone feel

1325
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 1: welcomed in radical spaces. They died as they lived, fighting

1326
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: for a better world and defending the forest from destruction

1327
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 1: in the name of a fascist, militarized police force. I

1328
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 1: hope their name will not be forgotten, and that their

1329
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 1: killer is brought to justice. But more than anything, I

1330
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: hope the cause that they fought for is victorious. Now

1331
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: we mourn this great loss to the Tallahassee in Atlantic communities,

1332
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,719
Speaker 1: but tomorrow we will fight back twice as hard against

1333
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 1: capitalism in the state, so that Tortuguita did not die

1334
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 1: in vain. This is another one. They were kind and

1335
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 1: fear They were sweet, extraordinarily funny, conscientious, tender, silly, loving

1336
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: and one of the most generous people I have met.

1337
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 1: And that contagious smile and laugh three exclamation points. I

1338
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 1: went to bed last night hearing their laughter in my head,

1339
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: loud and beautiful. They somehow were still there to add

1340
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: levity and joy as I screamed, cried, and choked on

1341
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 1: my own spit all night, and they killed you. You're gone, comrade.

1342
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 1: I missed you. I miss you. They had a deep

1343
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: understanding of solidarity and struggle. When the cops swept an

1344
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: encampment in my neighborhood without hesitation, they shared their forest

1345
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: funds to get more tents and sleeping bags, because they

1346
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: knew that these are not individual battles, but that these

1347
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: struggles are inherently tied to one another, that they are

1348
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: part of the same struggle. This is a lesson for

1349
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: the movement that must be carried forward, for them, for

1350
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 1: all of us, for the strength of the fight to

1351
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: stop cops City. I will miss how we greeted one

1352
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: another and our meager attempts to make it a thing.

1353
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: Death to fascism, liberation to people. One of the people

1354
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: playing the tortuguita tag guitar at the vigil played a

1355
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: version of Bella Chow and I'm just gonna read out

1356
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: the way that they described the song. Bella Chow means

1357
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: goodbye beautiful in Italian. The song was originally about an

1358
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: Italian partisan who goes out to fight the fascists in

1359
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 1: the mountains during World War Two. And I like to

1360
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 1: dedicate this version to somebody who laid their life down

1361
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: to fight against fascism, militarism, and against the expansion of

1362
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: the police, and against the destruction of nature. Somebody who

1363
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: lifted up all of the people they were around, knew

1364
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: so many people, was involved in so many communities, and

1365
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: was just so funny, so loving, so friendly, and they

1366
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: laid their life down for their community and to stop

1367
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: cops city and to stop militarism and the destruction of nature.

1368
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 1: They really believed in what they were doing, and the

1369
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: way we can honor them is by continuing their fight.

1370
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: Death to fascism. See you on the other side. The

1371
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: world is wicking outside my window. Bella chow bella chow

1372
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: bella chow chow chow drags my senses into the sunlight.

1373
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: For there are things that I must do. Wish me.

1374
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:37,759
Speaker 1: Look now I have to leave you. Bella chow bella

1375
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: chow bella chow chow chow with my friends. Now in

1376
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 1: the forest, We're gonna shake the gates off how and

1377
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: we will tell them you. We will tell them your

1378
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: bellow chow bella chow bella chow chow chow, that we

1379
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 1: Lonnie's not for the franchise in which the bastards drop

1380
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: down dead. Next time you see me, I may be smiling.

1381
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: Obell a child, bella chow bella chowd chow shall I'll

1382
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 1: be in prison or on the TV. I'll say, the

1383
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: forest called me. The world is wickham I sign my window,

1384
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: bella child, bela child, bella chow chow child, try my

1385
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 1: senses into the sunlight for their things that I must do.

1386
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 1: Wish me now I have to leave you. Obella child,

1387
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: bella child, bella chow chow chowd my French that in

1388
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 1: the forest we're gonna shake the gate of Hell and

1389
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: we will tell her, Yeah, we will tell him a

1390
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: bella chow, bella chow, bella chow chow chow, that we

1391
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: loes not for the franchise, which the bastard's drop done dead.

1392
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 1: Next time you see me, I may be smiling, Belichi belichower,

1393
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: bella chow chow chow. I'll be in prison or on

1394
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: the TV. I'll say, the forest called me here, the

1395
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: world is waken. I'll sign my window a Belichi bella chower,

1396
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 1: bella chow chow chow. Dry my senses into the sunlight.

1397
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 1: For their things I must do. I gotta leave you,

1398
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: oh bella chow bella chow, bella chow chow chow with

1399
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 1: my friends. Now in the forest we're gonna shake the

1400
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 1: gates off Hell, and we will tell him. We will

1401
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 1: tell them bella chow, bella chow, bella chow chow chow,

1402
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: that we Lonnie's not for the franchise, and wish the

1403
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 1: bastards dropped dune down. Next time you see me, I

1404
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: might be smiling. Bella chow bella chow bella chow chow chow.

1405
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: I'll be in prison or on the TV. I'll say,

1406
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 1: the forest called me here. Next time you see me,

1407
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 1: I may be smiling, bella chow bella chow bella chow

1408
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: chow chow. I'll be in prison, or on the TV,

1409
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: I'll say the fest called me here. The few days

1410
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: leading up to Saturday, January one felt like the calm

1411
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: before the storm. Nobody knew exactly what was going to

1412
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: happen at the weekend of protest in downtown Atlanta, but

1413
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:49,680
Speaker 1: there was a sense that something would. Shortly after the

1414
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 1: Wednesday shooting, a flyer went out calling for a gathering

1415
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 1: at Underground Atlanta on Saturday, January one, and to wear

1416
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 1: black clothes in morning. This is it could happen here.

1417
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm Garrison Davis, and I arrived at Underground Atlanta just

1418
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 1: a bit before five pm. The crowd was still slowly growing,

1419
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:13,680
Speaker 1: and a bunch of big news cameras were filling up

1420
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 1: the central area. As more people filtered in, some who

1421
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: knew toward went up in front of everyone to share

1422
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: memories of Torte Guita and talk about the continuing fight

1423
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:27,679
Speaker 1: to defend the forest. Obviously, we're all here because Toward

1424
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: was an amazing person and their life meant a lot.

1425
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 1: But Towards also shared something in common with all of us,

1426
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 1: and that was the values and things that they were

1427
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 1: fighting for. And all of us are fighting for a

1428
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: great cause and we all have it in common. But

1429
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 1: it makes us all targets. They will always target us

1430
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 1: because there they don't believe in the things that we

1431
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 1: believe in, and they will always be after us. And

1432
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:53,560
Speaker 1: we all have to stand here and stay together and

1433
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 1: stay resilient, to fight for what we believe it, and

1434
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 1: never let Towards memory and go with our honors. If

1435
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 1: they would kill an innocent person like Tork, someone who

1436
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 1: loved their community, they won't stop to kill us. They

1437
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 1: will stop to kill everyone in that forest. They won't

1438
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 1: stop to kill anyone who defies them. And that's pretty

1439
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 1: much all I had to say. A few people from

1440
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Resistance Medics of Local Street medic group dedicated

1441
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: to the liberation of medicine and providing medical resources for

1442
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 1: underprivileged and marginalized people, spoke about Tortuguita who was a

1443
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,560
Speaker 1: member of their collective. If there's one thing that we

1444
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 1: want people to remember Tord for is that they were

1445
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 1: somebody who protected the people around them, who went through

1446
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: the training along with the rest of us to be

1447
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 1: able to provide medical resources to the people that were

1448
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: around them. They may not have access to those. No

1449
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 1: matter what else the new who says about Tort, they

1450
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: were a protector. Everything they did was out of love.

1451
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 1: Everything they did was out of hope for a better world.

1452
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 1: And I don't care what the police say, I don't

1453
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: care what the media says. I don't care what anybody says.

1454
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 1: Tort was out here working for a better world. They

1455
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 1: may want to smear them as an extremist. They were not.

1456
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: They were out here protecting their fellow people. And that's

1457
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,680
Speaker 1: what we want everybody to remember about them, is that

1458
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: they were out here trying to build a better world.

1459
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: No matter what anybody else says. All right, I'd love

1460
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 1: y'all to gripete after me. Start do God be there,

1461
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 1: la lu Josse there, start do God there, la lu Josse.

1462
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: THERETO is a medic in our collective. They were a

1463
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 1: forest defender, They were a friend. They were funny, they

1464
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 1: were Kinda was constantly thinking of others. They were constantly

1465
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,879
Speaker 1: trying to protect other people, trying to protect the forest,

1466
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 1: trying to protect everyone who was marginalized. They centered voices

1467
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 1: on the who are on the margins and brought them

1468
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:35,480
Speaker 1: into the center. They recognized that our struggles are interconnected.

1469
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: They recognized that Cops City will never be built. They

1470
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 1: died just sending that forest. The memory of Tortuga that

1471
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: I keep returning to is after the police destroyed the

1472
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 1: gazebo and Wilani People's park in the parking lot, they

1473
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 1: were at a meeting and they said, yeah, so the

1474
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 1: cops think they can just drawing our morale um, they can't. Yeah.

1475
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 1: Fuita was one of the most resilient, strongest people I know.

1476
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 1: They hugged everyone. They were so kind and so giving,

1477
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 1: and even as the state tries to assassinate their character

1478
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:27,759
Speaker 1: in addition to their body, they were a freedom fighter.

1479
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,719
Speaker 1: They were a person that I was I am honored

1480
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 1: to have known that I am honored to have called

1481
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 1: a friend. About four hundred people eventually gathered around Underground Atlanta.

1482
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 1: It seemed like slightly more people than were at the

1483
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 1: vigil the previous night. Everything in modern life serves to

1484
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: atomize you, to make you feel like you were an individual,

1485
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: divorce from any sense of collective identity, divorced from any

1486
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 1: sense that you have a purpose and that there is

1487
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: good in the world. The fact that you're here means

1488
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 1: that you're fighting at in stat So let go of that.

1489
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 1: That is powerful. And that's why Cops City isn't going

1490
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 1: to be built. It is because we have law for

1491
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 1: ourselves than for the people around us. All right, so

1492
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure all of you are fairly upset about this.

1493
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,680
Speaker 1: I am Tort was a friend of mine. They were

1494
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 1: a friend of the community. Their death, their death will

1495
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 1: not be in vain. God City suck at all. By

1496
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:35,839
Speaker 1: five thirty, about half the crowd gathered at Underground Atlanta

1497
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 1: were in Black Block, and the rest were a variety

1498
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 1: of activists, organizers, and random people who decided that it

1499
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: was important to be at this event. After some speeches, chants,

1500
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: and stories of Tort, the gathering of people turned into

1501
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 1: a march and took to the streets. March is starting

1502
01:39:56,120 --> 01:40:02,679
Speaker 1: just less Underground Atlanta. Around three hundred people maybe maybe more,

1503
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 1: are marching down the street. There's mix of people in

1504
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:11,799
Speaker 1: block because medics here. People just kind of in regular

1505
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 1: clothes well, doing signs. There's a banner in the front

1506
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 1: that reads they can't kill us all firework crap. Banner

1507
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:33,600
Speaker 1: at the front that says trees give life, police take it.

1508
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 1: After just a minute of marching down one street, the

1509
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 1: crowd suddenly stopped. Looks like the marches turning around going

1510
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 1: to the other side. Stop drop drop jarges. Some more

1511
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 1: small fireworks being launching. This guy, banners getting moved to

1512
01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 1: the front. It looks like the mark is now heading

1513
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 1: north into downtown. Organizers from the Party for Socialism and

1514
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 1: Liberation attempted to take control of the march and lead

1515
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: the group south in the direction of the State Capitol

1516
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 1: building or possibly looping around to the CNN Center, but

1517
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 1: autonomous activists in the crowd turned to the march around

1518
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 1: and the group four hundred strong headed north. It sounds

1519
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 1: like the PSL people who were gathered at the underground

1520
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 1: tried to tried to leave the march in one direction,

1521
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:36,720
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, no, we don't want to go

1522
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: that way. Uh the if you have some people are

1523
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:42,639
Speaker 1: wannn to leave. Everyone into like the Federal Building section

1524
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 1: of downtown going south, and very quickly they turned around.

1525
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 1: Well other other people turned around, was like, no, we're

1526
01:41:49,080 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 1: not going that way. They're taking it right down Peach

1527
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 1: Tree heading heading north into downtown, right beside the Coca

1528
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: Cola sign on Marietta. The march entered the Commercial District,

1529
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:23,840
Speaker 1: a section of the city completely gutted out by years

1530
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Way neoliberal policies that we talked about

1531
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: in the Defend the Forest episodes from last May. The

1532
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 1: area is populated almost exclusively by business people, university students,

1533
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 1: and unhoused citizens, and was a common site for Atlanta

1534
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 1: BLM protests. Now that the march is moving, it's easier

1535
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 1: to see everyone in black, all of all, all the

1536
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 1: people of block. It's looking more just like a large, large,

1537
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:59,599
Speaker 1: massive people in block. Now. I have not seen much

1538
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 1: police presence downtown yet because there's just a few few

1539
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 1: patrol cars. It's really unclear how Atlanta Police is gonna

1540
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 1: respond to this. Got some flares, a lot more of

1541
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 1: those smoke fireworks or smoke grenade things. It's not a grain,

1542
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 1: it's like a cardboard tube shooting smoke out the block.

1543
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: Continued to travel north. Road. Flares and fireworks lit the

1544
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:31,600
Speaker 1: path in the darkening evening. Graffiti quickly sprung up on

1545
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 1: walls with phrases like R I P. Little Turtle and

1546
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 1: stop cops City the march. The march is now approaching

1547
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 1: an Atlanta Police vehicle who's trying to back up the

1548
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:48,640
Speaker 1: cough just not one of the cop cop cars right

1549
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 1: in the middle of where the march is going to go.

1550
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: They're like less than a hundred feet away, just one

1551
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 1: single cop car that happens to be in the path

1552
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 1: they are. They are trying to back out of the street.

1553
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:03,360
Speaker 1: The march has the tree Trees Give Life Police take

1554
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:07,639
Speaker 1: it banner. It's a big cardboard cutout of a tree

1555
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 1: right behind it. Police have their lights turned on. Now

1556
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 1: looks like the cop cars turning turning around. Yeah, and

1557
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 1: the cop car is leaving rather quickly. The sun was

1558
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,519
Speaker 1: just starting to set as the block arrived at the

1559
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 1: main goal of the night, the Atlanta Police Foundation Headquarters

1560
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 1: at one nine Peach Tree Street. They have stopped in

1561
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:58,120
Speaker 1: front of Atlanta Police Foundation Headquarters. People are thrown throwing

1562
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 1: stuff at the windows doors MHM broken windows that the

1563
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 1: Atlanta Police Foundation headquarters, the people, the people funding cops

1564
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 1: City firework thrown umbrellas moved in to block local news

1565
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:27,839
Speaker 1: cameras as windows shattered. Rocks emerged from backpacks and smashed

1566
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:30,479
Speaker 1: into the front of the building. Hammers met the glass

1567
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 1: entrance as fireworks lit up the scene. Not the other fire,

1568
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 1: another firework at the Atlanta Police Foundation. The march is

1569
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 1: tightening up a decent bit. March is definitely tightening up.

1570
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 1: A lot of people just in block now. Shouts of

1571
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 1: b water kept the mass moving forward as bank windows

1572
01:45:56,200 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 1: received a similar pelting of rocks and hammers. People chanting

1573
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 1: to move like water. Fuel line of police cars right

1574
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 1: beside the march. I'm guessing they're gonna pull in in

1575
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 1: from pulling behind the march to Atlanta police cars right there.

1576
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 1: People hitting a Chase Bank another stuff being dragged into

1577
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:27,880
Speaker 1: the street for like a pop to barricade. Chase Bank's

1578
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 1: head of Regional Investment Banking, John Richard, serves on the

1579
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 1: board of the Atlanta Police Foundation. Police officers exited the

1580
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,799
Speaker 1: two cop cars that were trailing the march and quickly

1581
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 1: ran away from the crowd, leaving their vehicles abandoned. Corkers

1582
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 1: trying to keep track of where the police are in

1583
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:49,559
Speaker 1: relation to the march, because I got some cars pulling

1584
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:57,560
Speaker 1: up behind. Nope, the police car pulled up behind the

1585
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:08,160
Speaker 1: march just got their windows broken. Fireworks under another firework.

1586
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 1: Another Atlanta Police police vehicle had the windows smashed. So

1587
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:16,560
Speaker 1: there's two. The two that was behind the march, the

1588
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 1: two Atlanta Plice officer cars ever behind the march just

1589
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:23,839
Speaker 1: got hit. Wells Fargo, one of the main cops city funders,

1590
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:28,000
Speaker 1: received special love and attention from the block. The Atlanta

1591
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 1: area president for Wells Fargo, Mitch Grawl, is also on

1592
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 1: the board of trustees for the Atlanta Police Foundation. A

1593
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:41,720
Speaker 1: few other banks hit around this area. Wells Fargo one

1594
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 1: of the one of the contributors to the Atlanta Police Foundations,

1595
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: one of their big funders and backers. A lot of

1596
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 1: the media here very very thirsty to get to get

1597
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,759
Speaker 1: stuff of, you know, when put into people breaking windows

1598
01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 1: and ship It was kind of surprising that the crowd

1599
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 1: made it this far without any real police response. Time

1600
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:09,000
Speaker 1: almost stretches during these brief moments of uprising. About seven

1601
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:12,759
Speaker 1: minutes after the first window shattered, Atlanta police finally arrived

1602
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:17,720
Speaker 1: and made their move police are in front of in

1603
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: front of the march. Now please are in front of

1604
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 1: the rug march. People might be turning around. They want

1605
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 1: to do a flow like water type thing. Yeah. Multiple

1606
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 1: cop cars are approaching the march from the front. Unclear

1607
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 1: what the crowd is gonna do. Atlanta PD is now

1608
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 1: now approaching the march. They're getting closer. They're going after

1609
01:48:53,520 --> 01:49:01,560
Speaker 1: one of the banners, dragging somebody down, pulling something to

1610
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 1: the ground. They're chasing people. One person is being arrested.

1611
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:16,839
Speaker 1: Marches splitting in two different directions. Officers started randomly tackling

1612
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 1: and arresting anyone they could get their hands on. More

1613
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 1: police arrived from the south and chased it down a

1614
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:26,360
Speaker 1: small section of the march that branched off. Atlanta police

1615
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 1: coming from behind as well. So I got Atlanta police

1616
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:34,080
Speaker 1: on both sides. Not many officers though, just just a

1617
01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:42,000
Speaker 1: few officers. It looks like the majority of march withingt

1618
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 1: JA movie dispersed, dispet dips, get please, get me more aggressive,

1619
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 1: pushing a lot of people. Footage and audio of these

1620
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:04,799
Speaker 1: violent arrests were shared by the Defend the Forest account,

1621
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 1: Unicorn Riot, and myself your here. I hear screams coming

1622
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 1: from multiple directions. Large. Looks like the march kind of

1623
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:52,680
Speaker 1: split in two. I've seen a lot of arrests. The

1624
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:56,640
Speaker 1: individuals targeted likely committed no crime other than being in

1625
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:59,560
Speaker 1: the wrong place at the wrong time. The majority of

1626
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:03,639
Speaker 1: the march split away and in a different direction from

1627
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 1: the cops. So I stated where the cops were. Most

1628
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 1: of the march I was able to get away. It's

1629
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 1: by going through two different directions we have. It looks

1630
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 1: like and Atlanta p D vehicle is on fire, Atlanta

1631
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 1: p D vehicle burning in the street, burning cop car.

1632
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 1: Police with a style a r style rifles. So I

1633
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 1: feel like most of the march had to hit it

1634
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:44,160
Speaker 1: on that way. It seems one of the cop cars

1635
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 1: that got smashed also spontaneously lit on fire. When the

1636
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:51,760
Speaker 1: police first confronted the march, most of the block was

1637
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 1: able to peel off and disappear into the night. Affinity

1638
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 1: groups reconnected. Block was shed and protesters evacuated out of

1639
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:02,680
Speaker 1: downtown as the police flooded the mile long stretch of

1640
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:06,839
Speaker 1: Peachtree Street that the crowd marched on. After a firetruck

1641
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 1: put out the burning cop car, police taped off the

1642
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 1: area and as they were pushing people out. I recorded

1643
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:22,040
Speaker 1: an officer saying this amazing line. Bombs or discount New

1644
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:26,679
Speaker 1: Year's Eve fireworks, you choose. All In all, the actions

1645
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:29,519
Speaker 1: that night only took about an hour, and crews made

1646
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 1: at home in time for dinner. Six people were arrested

1647
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:37,160
Speaker 1: at the protest Saturday night. Five were tackled and pinned

1648
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:40,280
Speaker 1: down as the crowd initially scattered, and one other person

1649
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 1: was chased by a cop car. Sam from the Atlantic

1650
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:48,160
Speaker 1: Community Press Collective has more on that. A protester who

1651
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:54,679
Speaker 1: was subsequently arrested was Witnesses state they were basically followed

1652
01:52:54,720 --> 01:53:00,080
Speaker 1: through the streets by an Atlanta police vehicle. Before this

1653
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:02,719
Speaker 1: is say that they were hit by the same vehicle

1654
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:06,600
Speaker 1: and they were the untaken to jail. So, you know,

1655
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 1: corn Ry released that video and we were able to

1656
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:13,559
Speaker 1: speak with a few witnesses because, as I'm sure everyone

1657
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:16,960
Speaker 1: saw on social media this weekend, the arrests were a

1658
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 1: familiar brutal familiar brutal site. Before we continue, I do

1659
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 1: want to play two short clips that were circulating the

1660
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:29,240
Speaker 1: night of the protest. First is police scanner audio of

1661
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:34,840
Speaker 1: the cop whose car spontaneously combusted. You want to call. Yeah,

1662
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:38,639
Speaker 1: well the car I ain't able to go getting an

1663
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:45,559
Speaker 1: eat longer. You know. This next one is from live

1664
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: news coverage of the march, and this clip became an

1665
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:53,760
Speaker 1: instant meme, so they're now saying gb I suck my

1666
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:57,800
Speaker 1: dick gb I is a Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Mayor

1667
01:53:57,840 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 1: Andre Dickens and the Chief of Police give a press

1668
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:02,760
Speaker 1: conference hours later which gave us a look at how

1669
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 1: the state was going to try and frame the protests

1670
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 1: and acts of targeted vandalism. My message is simple to

1671
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 1: those who seek to continue this type of criminal behavior,

1672
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:14,960
Speaker 1: we will find you, and we will arrest you, and

1673
01:54:15,120 --> 01:54:19,000
Speaker 1: you will be held accountable. We have arrested several of

1674
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 1: them this evening and Chief Sure Bob will give you

1675
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 1: the details on that. And some of them were found

1676
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:28,480
Speaker 1: with explosives on them. Uh you heard that correctly, explosives

1677
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:32,600
Speaker 1: and that has led to a police officers car being

1678
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 1: set on fire. During the press conference, the Chief of

1679
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:39,880
Speaker 1: Police clarified that no law enforcement officers were injured as

1680
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:42,880
Speaker 1: a result of the protest and neither were any bodystanders,

1681
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:47,320
Speaker 1: which means the only violence against people was done by

1682
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:50,640
Speaker 1: the cops who randomly tackled any protester that they could

1683
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 1: chase down. And so it doesn't take a rocket scientist

1684
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 1: or an attorney to tell you that breaking windows and

1685
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:59,000
Speaker 1: setting fires not protests that just tears him and that

1686
01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 1: they will be charged warningly and they will find that

1687
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 1: this police department in the partnership is equally committed to

1688
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 1: stop that activity. We already have prosecutors in the room

1689
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:09,720
Speaker 1: as we speak, and we're reviewing everything. We have a

1690
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:12,040
Speaker 1: lot of evidence to still go through. So even charges

1691
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 1: you see tonight, those can easily be upgraded, and they

1692
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:17,480
Speaker 1: will be upgraded and appropriate. I brought up the police

1693
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 1: chief's comments to a few of the forest offenders that

1694
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 1: I spoke with after the protest on Saturday in downtown. Um,

1695
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:33,080
Speaker 1: police chief Schneier bomb it's hard, I've i've i've I've

1696
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:38,440
Speaker 1: read it before. On anyway, they let police chiefs said

1697
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 1: that breaking windows and setting fires as terrorism. Um, I'm

1698
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 1: curious to get everyone's thoughts on that. Sure, I think

1699
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:55,080
Speaker 1: the police and doing what a lot of city governments,

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01:55:55,520 --> 01:56:00,800
Speaker 1: especially which was like things like property destruction terrorism, which

1701
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 1: like it's not and you can call whatever you want,

1702
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:07,440
Speaker 1: you can call it, like property struction terrorism is a

1703
01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:10,760
Speaker 1: very like specific political strategy that exists. I think the

1704
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:13,040
Speaker 1: right one does it a lot it and it would

1705
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 1: be worth calling that, like, you know, because defend the

1706
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:19,640
Speaker 1: Forest doesn't have a body count. The police have only

1707
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,360
Speaker 1: murdered uh an activist for Defend the Forest Rush to

1708
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:25,320
Speaker 1: Find the Forest has not struck in our violently against

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01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:29,920
Speaker 1: anybody except in defense against the police. Um, you cannot

1710
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 1: do violence to property. You cannot be violent towards the police.

1711
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:36,120
Speaker 1: Carra It's in the same way that Andrea Dickens is

1712
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:40,840
Speaker 1: now getting on TV and claiming that, like calling fireworks explosives.

1713
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:45,280
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, there are objects that explode, but this

1714
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:49,000
Speaker 1: is very clearly being done in bad fifth because it is.

1715
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:52,600
Speaker 1: It is it justifies. This is the same way like

1716
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:54,840
Speaker 1: the d D and the FBI. There's a lot of

1717
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 1: the ship. You call something terrorism, the money just pours on,

1718
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:00,760
Speaker 1: you get funding, you get justification. Do things like that,

1719
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:05,080
Speaker 1: and you can arrest people in charge them with domestic terrorism.

1720
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 1: That makes continuing to move and incredibly hard. That's really

1721
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:14,800
Speaker 1: dangerous implication that any act and dissidents to the state

1722
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:18,200
Speaker 1: could be called domestic terrorism should really ship of everybody.

1723
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:23,960
Speaker 1: It should not be allowed to stand and should be

1724
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:28,040
Speaker 1: comparative against every from I talked with Peter about how

1725
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:32,879
Speaker 1: if the police are viewing vandalism or destruction of inanimate

1726
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:36,760
Speaker 1: objects as domestic terrorism, if breaking a window is terrorism,

1727
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:40,360
Speaker 1: that makes the question what exactly is destroying a forest?

1728
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 1: That juxtaposition of what the police consider violence and like

1729
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:49,280
Speaker 1: what sort of like destruction of objects is violence? To me,

1730
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:53,840
Speaker 1: this demonstrates what they see like as valuable. And also

1731
01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:57,720
Speaker 1: this demonstrates the police state and the corporation's inability to

1732
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:01,480
Speaker 1: to understand that alle nous of all things and how

1733
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:05,160
Speaker 1: sacred the earth is. It shows that what they consider sacred,

1734
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:09,959
Speaker 1: what they hold a sacred is property, and specifically their property.

1735
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:14,320
Speaker 1: I think they fear the woods in part because it

1736
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:18,480
Speaker 1: moves in ways that they can't comprehend. It moves in

1737
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 1: nonlinear ways. Cricket also had something to say on this topic, well,

1738
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:26,680
Speaker 1: and and what is destroying a forest? What is destroying

1739
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:29,360
Speaker 1: a person? They're more upset about the destruction of property

1740
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:31,560
Speaker 1: than the destruction of a person, a whole human being

1741
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:34,240
Speaker 1: who is twenty six years old. They were young, they

1742
01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:36,600
Speaker 1: just started and that does not seem to measure up

1743
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:39,480
Speaker 1: against some glass panes that doesn't seem to register. And

1744
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:41,520
Speaker 1: what about the terror they inspire in the forest, what

1745
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:45,600
Speaker 1: about the I mean, obviously that these rhetorical questions when

1746
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:47,720
Speaker 1: I'm preaching to the choir, but I mean, god, no,

1747
01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 1: it's just it's just infuriating. There's no I long for

1748
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:54,320
Speaker 1: the day when the line is not drawn at well,

1749
01:58:54,440 --> 01:58:58,360
Speaker 1: you can do anything except touch private property. Noah mentioned

1750
01:58:58,440 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 1: the juctaposition of broken windows being terrorism, but violent actions

1751
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:07,400
Speaker 1: that actually hurt people seemingly not mattering nearly as much

1752
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:10,800
Speaker 1: at least compared to a cracked window. Right, So it's

1753
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:12,680
Speaker 1: a clear double standard. And in the same way that

1754
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:18,200
Speaker 1: like you know, during people setting far too police precincts,

1755
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:21,720
Speaker 1: was insurrection and an anarchy and all these things. But

1756
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:25,880
Speaker 1: when the National Guard would shoot people it was a

1757
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:30,720
Speaker 1: tragic air I justified to And when roving vigilantes would

1758
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:34,560
Speaker 1: drive cars in the crowds and and play them pipe

1759
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:37,760
Speaker 1: bombs protests, it does not get treated with the same

1760
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:42,880
Speaker 1: levity because the powers that be can never, will, never

1761
01:59:43,080 --> 01:59:45,760
Speaker 1: will obviously never hold themselves the same standards that they

1762
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:50,000
Speaker 1: will call us as their enemies, that the meaning of

1763
01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:52,200
Speaker 1: words does not matter to them. What matters as being

1764
01:59:52,240 --> 01:59:55,520
Speaker 1: able to get good sound bites to put on like

1765
01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:59,360
Speaker 1: anti for Action ship and make themselves because the city

1766
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:02,720
Speaker 1: has designed that they can't back down from the prop

1767
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:07,960
Speaker 1: people that they're not willing to like back down state.

1768
02:00:08,040 --> 02:00:13,960
Speaker 1: From the start of the movement, the police have aggressively

1769
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:17,960
Speaker 1: arrested and persecuted protesters associated with the struggle to stop

1770
02:00:18,040 --> 02:00:20,960
Speaker 1: Cops City, starting all the way back with the first

1771
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:25,240
Speaker 1: arrest of eleven peaceful protesters snatched off the sidewalk during

1772
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:29,400
Speaker 1: the city council's vote to approve Cops City as corporations

1773
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:32,320
Speaker 1: and the state moved to push cup Cities development forward

1774
02:00:32,440 --> 02:00:37,000
Speaker 1: despite all public opposition. Repression has increased dramatically over the

1775
02:00:37,120 --> 02:00:40,920
Speaker 1: last few months. Since December, everyone arrested in connection with

1776
02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:44,960
Speaker 1: the movement against Cops City has been charged with domestic terrorism.

1777
02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:49,480
Speaker 1: It's not a huge surprise in terms like terrorism and

1778
02:00:49,600 --> 02:00:54,240
Speaker 1: eco terrorism have been coming up, I mean in private

1779
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:57,880
Speaker 1: conversations probably since the beginning um, but we can trace

1780
02:00:57,960 --> 02:01:01,720
Speaker 1: it back to at least last summer when and and

1781
02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:05,800
Speaker 1: some emailed emails we've obtained throughout open records requests where

1782
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:08,600
Speaker 1: a city council member and the police Foundation, we're just

1783
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:12,600
Speaker 1: kind of pejoratively throwing around the term terrorists in response

1784
02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:16,480
Speaker 1: to I think it was graffiti or something like I

1785
02:01:16,520 --> 02:01:20,840
Speaker 1: hope they catch these terrorists soon. The terrorists who graffiti

1786
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:24,040
Speaker 1: to building. It has also shown up in a couple

1787
02:01:24,040 --> 02:01:28,120
Speaker 1: of different public meetings that are about the training center.

1788
02:01:28,640 --> 02:01:32,800
Speaker 1: You know. Committee members who are pro Public Safety Training

1789
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:37,120
Speaker 1: Center anti anyone being opposed to it have also used

1790
02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:40,840
Speaker 1: the term eco terrorism. The dangerous escalation of protest to

1791
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:44,760
Speaker 1: suppression is not limited to people engaging in pathsive resistance

1792
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:48,440
Speaker 1: or direct action. Some of our our open records requests

1793
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:51,520
Speaker 1: have even shown that since since last fall, for for

1794
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:55,480
Speaker 1: several months now, anyone who participates in like a write

1795
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:59,960
Speaker 1: in or a call in campaign, sometimes those very simple

1796
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:02,520
Speaker 1: emails of hey, I don't think your company should be

1797
02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:06,000
Speaker 1: participating in this project will get forwarded up to the

1798
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:10,000
Speaker 1: chief of police. You know, people's names, emails, just very

1799
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:15,760
Speaker 1: very simple call in campaign type stuff. Um, the most

1800
02:02:15,800 --> 02:02:19,560
Speaker 1: monoculous stuff gets forwarded as part of you know, security alert.

1801
02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:25,480
Speaker 1: This is the anti democratic chilling effect in action. Politicians

1802
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:28,040
Speaker 1: and police are trying to create a political climate where

1803
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:31,840
Speaker 1: people are too scared to exercise their rights to protest, organize,

1804
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:36,560
Speaker 1: and take action. Georgia's Republican governor, Brian Kemp has bolstered

1805
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:40,320
Speaker 1: this alarming escalation of violence and repression against political speech

1806
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:44,440
Speaker 1: by blaming out of state rioters and a quote network

1807
02:02:44,520 --> 02:02:47,839
Speaker 1: of militant activists who have committed similar acts of domestic

1808
02:02:47,960 --> 02:02:52,080
Speaker 1: terrorism across the country unquote, rhetoric that has been mirrored

1809
02:02:52,200 --> 02:02:55,440
Speaker 1: by liberal politicians in the city of Atlanta. The broad

1810
02:02:55,520 --> 02:02:58,960
Speaker 1: labeling of environmental and racial justice movements as quote unquote

1811
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:02,320
Speaker 1: terrorism and those who get associated with such movements as

1812
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:06,720
Speaker 1: domestic terrorists is an extremely dangerous precedent designed to stifle

1813
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:10,680
Speaker 1: public opposition and scare anyone concerned about police militarization and

1814
02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:14,760
Speaker 1: climate change away from protesting. It's a crude attempt to

1815
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:18,520
Speaker 1: use as powerful tools as possible to crush opposition and

1816
02:03:18,680 --> 02:03:22,440
Speaker 1: remove the protests from public spotlight while creating cover for

1817
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:26,880
Speaker 1: intensive suppression of protest movements. Police are making an example

1818
02:03:26,920 --> 02:03:29,240
Speaker 1: out of people by trying to pin the actions of

1819
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:33,520
Speaker 1: autonomous individuals in a decentralized movement on anyone that was

1820
02:03:33,640 --> 02:03:37,120
Speaker 1: unlucky enough to cross paths with the police by threatening

1821
02:03:37,240 --> 02:03:41,040
Speaker 1: thirty five years in prison. Let's talk a bit about

1822
02:03:41,240 --> 02:03:44,160
Speaker 1: the role of the domestic terrorism charges and how they

1823
02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:47,520
Speaker 1: are being applied, because they're not even being applied to

1824
02:03:47,680 --> 02:03:50,320
Speaker 1: people that are like tied to specific acts like you

1825
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:53,760
Speaker 1: specifically we have evidence that you burned down and escaped

1826
02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:56,360
Speaker 1: like like a like a construction equipment. That's that's that's

1827
02:03:56,360 --> 02:03:58,760
Speaker 1: not that, that's not they're being used, not even being

1828
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:01,240
Speaker 1: used for like we saw we we saw you break

1829
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:03,080
Speaker 1: this window. That's not even how they're being used. Like

1830
02:04:03,160 --> 02:04:06,120
Speaker 1: the people restaurant Saturday, all six of them got the

1831
02:04:06,280 --> 02:04:09,240
Speaker 1: same exact charges. How how can all six people have

1832
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:13,040
Speaker 1: done all the exact same thing, So they're obviously not

1833
02:04:13,120 --> 02:04:15,120
Speaker 1: being used for in the type of like factual evidence

1834
02:04:15,160 --> 02:04:18,520
Speaker 1: based way. It's all about like trying to turn the

1835
02:04:18,640 --> 02:04:21,800
Speaker 1: movement itself into a criminal association. Yeah. Yeah, a p

1836
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:24,920
Speaker 1: D has even said that themselves in a public meeting

1837
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:27,640
Speaker 1: that's supposed to kind of like a provide advice on

1838
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:30,240
Speaker 1: like how the public wants this project built. You know.

1839
02:04:30,360 --> 02:04:32,880
Speaker 1: They in the December meeting, which I think took place

1840
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:36,640
Speaker 1: a day after after those raids, they they bragged about

1841
02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:40,320
Speaker 1: pulling someone over illegally for phil for filming the police.

1842
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:42,800
Speaker 1: They said they were very proud of themselves for taking

1843
02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:46,320
Speaker 1: that person to jail, and then they just blatantly said

1844
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:50,480
Speaker 1: that anyone arrested for this in connection with this movement

1845
02:04:50,600 --> 02:04:54,360
Speaker 1: will get a domestic terrorism charge. That which creates an

1846
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:58,520
Speaker 1: equivalency that being opposed to this project is a domestic

1847
02:04:58,640 --> 02:05:01,200
Speaker 1: terrorism You know, the the chief of police, Stare and

1848
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:05,080
Speaker 1: sheer Bomb went before cameras on Saturday, and I think

1849
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:09,520
Speaker 1: pretty much verbatim said, breaking a glass window that is terrorism.

1850
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:12,560
Speaker 1: A lot of people have opinions about how to protest, right,

1851
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:17,800
Speaker 1: but what people have conveyed to us is that even

1852
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:21,680
Speaker 1: those who are, you know, kind of horrified by property damage,

1853
02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:26,920
Speaker 1: it's just not domestic terrorism. It's just not being opposed

1854
02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:31,080
Speaker 1: to the police, wanting the police to do something differently

1855
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:36,760
Speaker 1: is not terrorism. The Atlanta Solidarity Fund said of the

1856
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:42,560
Speaker 1: six people charged after Saturday's protest, quote, protest, even disobedient protest,

1857
02:05:43,160 --> 02:05:46,640
Speaker 1: is not terrorism. It's tragic that we're at a point

1858
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:49,680
Speaker 1: where this even needs to be said, but that makes

1859
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:52,000
Speaker 1: it all the more important that the public speak out

1860
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:55,880
Speaker 1: against this divisive and dangerous rhetoric. We have reason to

1861
02:05:55,960 --> 02:05:59,160
Speaker 1: believe these activists were arrested at random during the march.

1862
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:03,280
Speaker 1: All six faced the same blanket charges, They are being

1863
02:06:03,480 --> 02:06:06,920
Speaker 1: held responsible for committing the same crime by virtue of

1864
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:12,000
Speaker 1: simply being present at a protest where property damage occurred unquote.

1865
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:16,200
Speaker 1: Twenty people have been charged with felonies under Georgia's domestic

1866
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:21,240
Speaker 1: terrorism laws since last December. Police affidavits have detailed the

1867
02:06:21,680 --> 02:06:26,080
Speaker 1: alleged acts of so called terror which include quote criminally

1868
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:30,160
Speaker 1: trespassing on posted land, sleeping in a forest, sleeping in

1869
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:34,080
Speaker 1: a hammock with another defendant being known members of a

1870
02:06:34,440 --> 02:06:39,360
Speaker 1: prison abolitionist movement unquote, and aligning themselves with defend the

1871
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:43,000
Speaker 1: Atlanta forest by quote occupying a treehouse while wearing a

1872
02:06:43,120 --> 02:06:47,400
Speaker 1: gas mask and camouflage clothing unquote. A review of the

1873
02:06:47,480 --> 02:06:50,880
Speaker 1: twenty arrests showed that none of those arrested and slapped

1874
02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:55,240
Speaker 1: with terrorism charges are accused of seriously injuring anyone. Nine

1875
02:06:55,320 --> 02:06:59,840
Speaker 1: are alleged to have committed no specific illegal acts beyond Mr.

1876
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:04,560
Speaker 1: Meaner trespassing. Instead, mere association with a group committed to

1877
02:07:04,640 --> 02:07:07,840
Speaker 1: defending the forest appears to be the foundation for declaring

1878
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:12,280
Speaker 1: them terrorists. The seven people arrested during the police raid

1879
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:15,360
Speaker 1: where the Georgia State Patrol shot and killed Tortuguita were

1880
02:07:15,400 --> 02:07:19,839
Speaker 1: given a bond amount totaling one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars.

1881
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:25,680
Speaker 1: Escalating repression is taking form as egregious bail amounts for protesters,

1882
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:30,200
Speaker 1: inflated charges, and as last month saw the killing of

1883
02:07:30,240 --> 02:07:35,400
Speaker 1: an activist. The environmental Justice attorney Stephen Donzinger said, for

1884
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:38,800
Speaker 1: weeks these people were called terrorists, which is a complete

1885
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:42,040
Speaker 1: misuse of the word. The police have been conditioned to

1886
02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:45,880
Speaker 1: believe these people are terrorists, and what do you do

1887
02:07:46,080 --> 02:07:49,640
Speaker 1: with terrorists in the United States? You kill them. It

1888
02:07:49,720 --> 02:07:53,960
Speaker 1: becomes a self fulfilling prophecy unquote. A whole bunch of

1889
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:56,960
Speaker 1: bail information has got released for the six people arrested

1890
02:07:57,120 --> 02:08:03,000
Speaker 1: at the protest in downtown Atlanta Saturday, January twenty one,

1891
02:08:04,680 --> 02:08:08,600
Speaker 1: and it's pretty high. It's the highest bail for a

1892
02:08:08,720 --> 02:08:13,480
Speaker 1: protest that I've ever seen. Two people that are slightly

1893
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:17,920
Speaker 1: more local to the area, we're granted three hundred and

1894
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:22,200
Speaker 1: fifty five dollars each for their bonds set over seven

1895
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:26,000
Speaker 1: thousand dollars um with ankle monitoring and a twenty four

1896
02:08:26,080 --> 02:08:31,920
Speaker 1: hour curfew. So that's a lot of four. Other people

1897
02:08:31,960 --> 02:08:35,680
Speaker 1: who are arrested were determined to be from too far

1898
02:08:35,720 --> 02:08:38,520
Speaker 1: out of town and deemed flight risks by the judge,

1899
02:08:38,920 --> 02:08:41,760
Speaker 1: and they were completely denied bond. So they're going to

1900
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:46,560
Speaker 1: be held in jail and perpetuity until both further legal

1901
02:08:46,680 --> 02:08:48,880
Speaker 1: challenges like this is going to get you know, pushed

1902
02:08:48,920 --> 02:08:51,800
Speaker 1: up to a higher level judge, but who knows how

1903
02:08:51,880 --> 02:08:54,440
Speaker 1: long they're going to be in pre trial detention now,

1904
02:08:55,400 --> 02:08:59,400
Speaker 1: um for pretty pretty ridiculous charges and like this arson

1905
02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:11,240
Speaker 1: um riot, like felony jay walking, essentially like Protestant domestic

1906
02:09:11,320 --> 02:09:16,000
Speaker 1: terrorism across the board. When they're going over the bill hearing,

1907
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:20,040
Speaker 1: there was there was they were talking about how like

1908
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:23,400
Speaker 1: this hearing is not for going over evidence, this is

1909
02:09:23,480 --> 02:09:28,480
Speaker 1: this is this isn't for Actually, yeah, they're they're they're not.

1910
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Speaker 1: They're not interested in dealing with what the facts actually

1911
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Speaker 1: were because there's no evidence that any of any of

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Speaker 1: the people arrested did anything wrong besides the march in

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Speaker 1: the street, which has been a staple of the history

1914
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Speaker 1: of Atlanta for almost like almost a century. Um, there's

1915
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Speaker 1: no absolutely no evidence, but that that doesn't matter, and

1916
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Speaker 1: that's not really the point either. The point is that

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Speaker 1: this is a brutal form of punishment and a deterrent

1918
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Speaker 1: for for other people to say that if you're going

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Speaker 1: to go to a protest, if you're gonna go to

1920
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Speaker 1: a march, you don't need to do anything at all,

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Speaker 1: and we'll give you bond that's that's worth almost four

1922
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars per person um. Or we'll just hold

1923
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Speaker 1: you until until this case gets litigated. If you want

1924
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Speaker 1: to come from out of town to you could do nothing,

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Speaker 1: and then they decided that because you're from and just

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Speaker 1: happened to be. This could be eighteen months before before try.

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Speaker 1: If people are wanted a right, they obviously they want

1928
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Speaker 1: people to just plead guilty and not not have go

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Speaker 1: to trial, um, which is nonsense because there's no evidence.

1930
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Speaker 1: But if they does get carried all the way to trial,

1931
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Speaker 1: that could take over a year. That could be just

1932
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Speaker 1: being being held four things you clearly didn't do. But

1933
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Speaker 1: because the police and prosecutors have decided to use these

1934
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Speaker 1: intense charges as a deterrent, it's just extremely blatant, like

1935
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Speaker 1: abuse of abuse of the legal system, abuse of power. Um.

1936
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Speaker 1: But I mean it's you know, I say abuse, but

1937
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Speaker 1: like this is the way it's also designed, Like this

1938
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Speaker 1: is this is the purpose of professors, This is the

1939
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Speaker 1: purpose of police. They're doing their job as it's supposed

1940
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Speaker 1: to be. They're just like make it unfeasible for people

1941
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Speaker 1: to participate in dissidents, and to make it so any

1942
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Speaker 1: like any chance getting for people impossible, even for most people,

1943
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Speaker 1: like looking at an amount, like an impossible amount of

1944
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Speaker 1: money to come up with. It's so out of the

1945
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Speaker 1: realm of what is possible for so many, like normal

1946
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Speaker 1: everyday people who are participating in acts of profast then

1947
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Speaker 1: it's just it's just design people for as long as possible.

1948
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Speaker 1: It's not it's not even people who like this. This

1949
02:11:53,800 --> 02:11:55,880
Speaker 1: would be in many ways just as terrific. This is

1950
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Speaker 1: if if these charges were from people who are like

1951
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Speaker 1: in the forest UM so people like in a downtown

1952
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Speaker 1: marching like this is like dant marching. Like the most

1953
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Speaker 1: serious thing that happened was that a car spontaneously like

1954
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Speaker 1: that is it wasn't it was there's no anage that

1955
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Speaker 1: any of these people. It was even noted inside um

1956
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Speaker 1: during during these hearings that many of these people were

1957
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Speaker 1: arrested before the car he even caught fire. Like the

1958
02:12:27,360 --> 02:12:30,120
Speaker 1: just decided that again they were not ready to bats

1959
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Speaker 1: a kind that this was not and making sure obvious

1960
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Speaker 1: that the point of this is not too in any

1961
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Speaker 1: way treat this with any real reality or what happened,

1962
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Speaker 1: but just to make sure that we are the people

1963
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Speaker 1: are as punished as possible for any actions taken by

1964
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Speaker 1: a group that they were like intertionally, just even in

1965
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Speaker 1: the vicinity aftertown Affidavid's for the seven people arrested at

1966
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Speaker 1: the deadly police raid on January eighth, in which Tortuguita

1967
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Speaker 1: was killed, big In by alleging that the defendants were

1968
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Speaker 1: quote participating in actions as a part of the Defend

1969
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Forest group, a group classified by the United

1970
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Speaker 1: States Department of Homeland Security as domestic violent extremists unquote,

1971
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Speaker 1: but a DHS spokesperson has responded to media inquiries by saying, quote,

1972
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Speaker 1: the Department of Homeland Security does not classify or designate

1973
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Speaker 1: any groups as domestic violent extremists unquote. The Atlanta Solidarity

1974
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Speaker 1: Fund responded to this news by saying, quote, when police

1975
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Speaker 1: brought terrorism charges against Stop Cops City protesters, they justified

1976
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Speaker 1: it by claiming that Defend the Atlanta Forest had been

1977
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Speaker 1: designated a domestic violent extremist organization. This was a lie.

1978
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Speaker 1: DHS has never designated any movement aligned organization in this way.

1979
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Speaker 1: What does this mean? It suggests that police and prosecutors

1980
02:13:52,080 --> 02:13:55,240
Speaker 1: have been lying, not just the public, but to judges

1981
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Speaker 1: in an effort to justify outrageous, sensational charges against activists.

1982
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Speaker 1: This cannot be tolerated in a free society. The public

1983
02:14:03,920 --> 02:14:08,520
Speaker 1: has a long process ahead of unraveling the tangle of lies, distortions,

1984
02:14:08,600 --> 02:14:11,960
Speaker 1: and cover ups that the police, prosecutors, and their private

1985
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:15,920
Speaker 1: backers have woven to suppress the right to protest. We

1986
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:19,200
Speaker 1: are determined to follow that threat to its end. Injustice

1987
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Speaker 1: cannot go unchallenged unquote. To date, the Atlanta Solidarity Fund

1988
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Speaker 1: has supported over sixty people arrested for protesting the proposed

1989
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Speaker 1: Cops City development, just a few days before the killing

1990
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Speaker 1: of Tortoguita. It could Happen Here released an interview with

1991
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Speaker 1: people from the Solidarity Fund and Anti Repression Committee if

1992
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Speaker 1: you want to learn more about those organizations. The Solidarity

1993
02:14:40,920 --> 02:14:45,120
Speaker 1: Fund is dedicated to continue supporting protesters in Atlanta, but

1994
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Speaker 1: with the unprecedented seven hundred thousand dollars bail for just

1995
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Speaker 1: two people, they need help to continue supporting activists with

1996
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Speaker 1: bail and legal counsel while they are also supporting civil

1997
02:14:56,480 --> 02:15:00,440
Speaker 1: litigation against unjust arrests and police violence, in including an

1998
02:15:00,440 --> 02:15:04,800
Speaker 1: independent investigation into the death of Tortuguita. In a statement

1999
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:08,600
Speaker 1: released after the bail hearing, the Atlanta Solidarity Fund said, quote,

2000
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Speaker 1: the arrested protesters and all other future protesters targeted for

2001
02:15:13,120 --> 02:15:18,160
Speaker 1: political activity in Atlanta need your help. Please host fundraisers,

2002
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:20,760
Speaker 1: reach out to your networks, and donate to the Atlanta

2003
02:15:20,840 --> 02:15:24,520
Speaker 1: Solidarity Fund. We especially encourage you to consider becoming a

2004
02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:29,000
Speaker 1: recurring donor. Solidarity means all of us supporting each other

2005
02:15:29,360 --> 02:15:33,280
Speaker 1: for the long haul, until we are all free. Unquote.

2006
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Speaker 1: If the state is successful in creating this precedent of

2007
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Speaker 1: domestic terrorism, protesters across the country could be facing similar

2008
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Speaker 1: speech chilling charges. Activists and civil rights lawyers have called

2009
02:15:45,800 --> 02:15:49,360
Speaker 1: for everyone to strongly reject this extreme level of repression

2010
02:15:49,720 --> 02:15:52,600
Speaker 1: here and now before it becomes the norm for activists

2011
02:15:52,720 --> 02:15:56,880
Speaker 1: in every movement. What happens here will have legal implications

2012
02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:00,520
Speaker 1: for the whole nation. It creates and it create it's fear,

2013
02:16:00,600 --> 02:16:04,520
Speaker 1: It creates a chilling effect. It was after after the

2014
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:09,440
Speaker 1: December raids, a lot of folks in the community. We're really,

2015
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:12,640
Speaker 1: we're really questioning what was next, And it is scary

2016
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:18,400
Speaker 1: to think about, but it's been really heartening how people

2017
02:16:18,480 --> 02:16:23,440
Speaker 1: have seen through the bullshit. Right, Atlanta has an incredible resilience,

2018
02:16:24,360 --> 02:16:29,080
Speaker 1: and so does this movement, even with domestic terrorism in mind.

2019
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Speaker 1: Peter also mentioned how the increased charges have inadvertently shown

2020
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Speaker 1: just how strong the community is. After domestic terrorism charges first,

2021
02:16:40,760 --> 02:16:44,879
Speaker 1: uh first got laid out in December. What was people's

2022
02:16:44,920 --> 02:16:47,960
Speaker 1: reaction to that, Because that's a pretty substantial, like legal

2023
02:16:48,920 --> 02:16:52,120
Speaker 1: state repression effort. You know, you're in the woods. You

2024
02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:54,720
Speaker 1: hear that your friends are now getting these ridiculous charges, Like,

2025
02:16:54,920 --> 02:16:57,880
Speaker 1: how does that change what's on the ground. Yeah, I

2026
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:01,360
Speaker 1: think the terrorism charges. Well, I'll say I was out

2027
02:17:01,400 --> 02:17:04,920
Speaker 1: of town when the terrorism charges happened, and hearing about

2028
02:17:04,959 --> 02:17:07,560
Speaker 1: those was actually what motivated me to come back to

2029
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Speaker 1: Atlanta and move back into the woods because I knew

2030
02:17:10,480 --> 02:17:12,960
Speaker 1: that the terrorism charges were a scare tactic to try

2031
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:15,640
Speaker 1: and discourage people from participating in the Woods and the

2032
02:17:15,720 --> 02:17:19,880
Speaker 1: movement at large. As the repression has intensified, and especially

2033
02:17:19,959 --> 02:17:22,880
Speaker 1: since the terrorism charges started coming in, the resolve and

2034
02:17:22,959 --> 02:17:26,000
Speaker 1: the strength of this community has intensified even more, and

2035
02:17:26,600 --> 02:17:29,120
Speaker 1: the increased repression has shown me the strength of this

2036
02:17:29,240 --> 02:17:32,760
Speaker 1: community and also how deeply committed people are to being

2037
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:35,119
Speaker 1: a part of this fight no matter what. You can

2038
02:17:35,160 --> 02:17:39,880
Speaker 1: go to at jail Underscore support on Twitter for information

2039
02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:44,760
Speaker 1: on how to write to incarcerated protesters in Atlanta. The

2040
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Speaker 1: terrorism charges being brought against Stop Cop City protesters stem

2041
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:51,920
Speaker 1: from a seventeen law passed in Georgia in the wake

2042
02:17:52,040 --> 02:17:56,200
Speaker 1: of the Dylan Roof massacre. This law, allegedly created in

2043
02:17:56,320 --> 02:17:59,200
Speaker 1: response to a white supremacist mass shooting targeting black people,

2044
02:17:59,840 --> 02:18:02,240
Speaker 1: is being used for the first time as a bludgeon

2045
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Speaker 1: against anti racist protesters who are fighting against the expansion

2046
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Speaker 1: and further militarization of police facilities. And then the state

2047
02:18:10,240 --> 02:18:12,280
Speaker 1: is just as as a concept as a whole is

2048
02:18:12,720 --> 02:18:15,560
Speaker 1: is pretty much incapable of doing things for altruistic means.

2049
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Speaker 1: This is the same government that just so often uses

2050
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Speaker 1: like that completely simplifies like our issues, for example, with

2051
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:28,560
Speaker 1: like foreign students in this country into just a problem

2052
02:18:28,840 --> 02:18:31,280
Speaker 1: to take away the abilities for the paratize people to

2053
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Speaker 1: defend themselves by oversimplifying it into a non ideological issue.

2054
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Speaker 1: And it's so like there's such a clear pattern of

2055
02:18:39,360 --> 02:18:44,240
Speaker 1: who is perpetrating these things it's all like the state.

2056
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Speaker 1: At any moment it can grab at power, it will

2057
02:18:47,680 --> 02:18:51,280
Speaker 1: do so. And that looks better sometimes because it might

2058
02:18:51,360 --> 02:18:55,360
Speaker 1: be like going after somebody like jelling Roof, But it

2059
02:18:55,480 --> 02:19:00,160
Speaker 1: gets turned around later and used by them too, you know,

2060
02:19:00,400 --> 02:19:02,760
Speaker 1: as must trying to defer the forest and make sure

2061
02:19:02,879 --> 02:19:06,240
Speaker 1: that people cannot make for doing it, for doing nothing

2062
02:19:06,320 --> 02:19:10,600
Speaker 1: more than asking the city to not do something that

2063
02:19:10,720 --> 02:19:14,720
Speaker 1: a vast majority of do not want to happen. Laws

2064
02:19:14,840 --> 02:19:17,279
Speaker 1: that are put into effect to stop far right violence

2065
02:19:17,640 --> 02:19:23,120
Speaker 1: will inevitably be used to repress left wing movements. Any

2066
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:25,920
Speaker 1: expansion of state power will always come down the hardest

2067
02:19:26,120 --> 02:19:29,640
Speaker 1: on people who are actually pushing back on the power

2068
02:19:29,680 --> 02:19:33,280
Speaker 1: structures of the state, like the police. And now this

2069
02:19:33,360 --> 02:19:36,600
Speaker 1: domestic terrorism law is being used against force defenders for

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02:19:36,840 --> 02:19:41,080
Speaker 1: mere affiliation with stop Coops City. The way the state

2071
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:45,720
Speaker 1: is using these domestic terrorism charges is relatively unprecedented within

2072
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:50,160
Speaker 1: the United States, but this stuff is not completely unheard of.

2073
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Speaker 1: It's new for white Americans who are protesting. It's new

2074
02:19:55,160 --> 02:19:58,640
Speaker 1: in a very specific context, but it's not new for

2075
02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:02,439
Speaker 1: many other people who experienced state repression and have experienced

2076
02:20:02,520 --> 02:20:06,200
Speaker 1: state repression in other countries around the world. You know,

2077
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Speaker 1: it's it's very similar to the way that like the

2078
02:20:08,440 --> 02:20:11,120
Speaker 1: US would you know, we had a lot of a

2079
02:20:11,160 --> 02:20:12,760
Speaker 1: lot of people who are over the years from the

2080
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Speaker 1: global War on Terror, locking up thousands of people who

2081
02:20:15,640 --> 02:20:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, so many of them were just the U. S.

2082
02:20:18,600 --> 02:20:20,480
Speaker 1: Army rolls into a country and it's like all of

2083
02:20:20,520 --> 02:20:23,800
Speaker 1: these people are terrorists. They do not have time to

2084
02:20:24,200 --> 02:20:27,360
Speaker 1: litigate the facts. They are looking at people as flight

2085
02:20:27,440 --> 02:20:31,200
Speaker 1: rests with their evidence with unsubstantially that claims about affiliations

2086
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:35,240
Speaker 1: to whatever the hell it is, and then they you know,

2087
02:20:35,360 --> 02:20:37,880
Speaker 1: and the most extreme examples end up detained them going

2088
02:20:37,959 --> 02:20:41,040
Speaker 1: Tanama for the next twenty years. Olor And you know,

2089
02:20:41,320 --> 02:20:43,280
Speaker 1: we're about to the connection to all of this to

2090
02:20:43,320 --> 02:20:45,880
Speaker 1: the idea if it's the similar ways that the idea

2091
02:20:45,879 --> 02:20:49,840
Speaker 1: of persecutes their poor as the Pastinian people as waging

2092
02:20:49,879 --> 02:20:54,160
Speaker 1: a war in the population and then taking as much

2093
02:20:54,400 --> 02:20:57,680
Speaker 1: like like using as much force against the people who

2094
02:20:57,760 --> 02:21:03,039
Speaker 1: choose to fight that state hour and then just arresting

2095
02:21:03,160 --> 02:21:06,640
Speaker 1: huge numbers of people for claiming that they're like affiliated

2096
02:21:06,680 --> 02:21:09,400
Speaker 1: with the mass or something for limtage living in the

2097
02:21:09,480 --> 02:21:12,520
Speaker 1: same neighborhood and just throwing the key. This is very

2098
02:21:12,640 --> 02:21:16,040
Speaker 1: similar to tactics that we've seen used across the rest,

2099
02:21:16,040 --> 02:21:18,840
Speaker 1: specifically during the globe were on terror just to lock

2100
02:21:18,920 --> 02:21:22,400
Speaker 1: up huge numbers of people with impunity, without the ability

2101
02:21:22,520 --> 02:21:25,280
Speaker 1: for people to get proper legal representation or for their

2102
02:21:25,320 --> 02:21:27,520
Speaker 1: ever to be a moment to litigate the facts of

2103
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:32,680
Speaker 1: what happened. And it's a really troubling development to have

2104
02:21:33,200 --> 02:21:37,400
Speaker 1: happening here. This has been so destructive and other countries

2105
02:21:37,520 --> 02:21:39,879
Speaker 1: all across the world, and we should all be extremely

2106
02:21:39,959 --> 02:21:43,640
Speaker 1: concerned that this is happening anywhere. Um, not just that

2107
02:21:43,720 --> 02:21:47,320
Speaker 1: it's touched the US now, but this type of legal

2108
02:21:47,440 --> 02:21:51,120
Speaker 1: system should not find company anywhere on the world. One

2109
02:21:51,160 --> 02:21:53,240
Speaker 1: of the topics of the original It could Happen Here

2110
02:21:53,320 --> 02:21:58,000
Speaker 1: series was through Co's boomerang. The idea was also brought

2111
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Speaker 1: up during multiple conversations I had in Atlanta. It's about

2112
02:22:01,879 --> 02:22:05,200
Speaker 1: how the types of imperialist and colonialist violence that are

2113
02:22:05,240 --> 02:22:09,000
Speaker 1: done in other countries don't just go away, They get

2114
02:22:09,040 --> 02:22:13,760
Speaker 1: transported back to the homeland. This boomerang effect resulted in

2115
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Speaker 1: a whole series of colonial models being brought back to

2116
02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:20,160
Speaker 1: the quote unquote West so that it could endlessly practice

2117
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Speaker 1: something resembling colonialism or an internal colonialism on itself. The

2118
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Speaker 1: forces of extreme gentrification can be seen as one of

2119
02:22:29,800 --> 02:22:33,240
Speaker 1: these front lines. In that way, it only makes sense

2120
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Speaker 1: that this is happening in Atlanta to such an extreme degree,

2121
02:22:37,640 --> 02:22:40,240
Speaker 1: Like the idea of like when it comes to from

2122
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Speaker 1: post boomerang, any strategies, tactics, equipment that are used overseas

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Speaker 1: in a country's colonial moorish returned to the core to

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02:23:00,040 --> 02:23:03,959
Speaker 1: subjugate their own dissidents and their own people. The best

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02:23:04,040 --> 02:23:06,440
Speaker 1: example of this in the U S was meltorized policing.

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02:23:06,520 --> 02:23:08,560
Speaker 1: COMPS City is a huge example of this. We've seen

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02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:12,160
Speaker 1: a return of weapons and equipment from the do O

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Speaker 1: D to US police, just as abe we saw a

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02:23:17,080 --> 02:23:19,920
Speaker 1: murdering and his trailer by swat team using night vision

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02:23:19,959 --> 02:23:22,560
Speaker 1: goggles and equipment that looks like it came off of

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02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:27,119
Speaker 1: like army rangers. Like it is. It is a return

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02:23:27,240 --> 02:23:29,640
Speaker 1: like the tactics and the equipment and the strategy and

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02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:33,200
Speaker 1: the mindset of an occupying army come back to the

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02:23:33,320 --> 02:23:35,879
Speaker 1: center of the empire and are used to subjugate its people.

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02:23:36,320 --> 02:23:39,440
Speaker 1: And in this case, COMPS City is a huge expansion

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02:23:39,480 --> 02:23:41,640
Speaker 1: of this because of what it's designed to train people

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02:23:41,680 --> 02:23:44,320
Speaker 1: to do, which is urban combat, and even more so,

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02:23:44,840 --> 02:23:47,680
Speaker 1: the legal system that the US has used overseas to

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02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:50,840
Speaker 1: prosecute thousands of people with their evidences as a well

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02:23:50,920 --> 02:23:54,680
Speaker 1: being returned to prosecute. This is defending the forest. The

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02:23:54,760 --> 02:23:57,680
Speaker 1: man shot by Swat in a trailer last month did

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02:23:57,879 --> 02:24:00,840
Speaker 1: end up surviving. But what no is talking about is

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02:24:00,959 --> 02:24:05,840
Speaker 1: that there is no true other. There is no true awareness.

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02:24:06,920 --> 02:24:10,080
Speaker 1: This new military urbanism that seems to be necessary to

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02:24:10,120 --> 02:24:16,000
Speaker 1: sustain hyper capitalistic gentrification is providing zones of experimentation through

2146
02:24:16,040 --> 02:24:18,720
Speaker 1: which the state is able to try out and hone

2147
02:24:18,760 --> 02:24:22,640
Speaker 1: their techniques of oppression. In my conversation with Cricket, they

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02:24:22,720 --> 02:24:26,199
Speaker 1: talked about this phenomenon it comes back or it starts

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02:24:26,280 --> 02:24:28,480
Speaker 1: here and where the training ground and then the export it.

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02:24:28,600 --> 02:24:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean there, it's it's and I think you're absolutely

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02:24:31,959 --> 02:24:34,240
Speaker 1: right that there is no true other. Right like that

2152
02:24:34,400 --> 02:24:36,360
Speaker 1: is a construct to keep us out of solidarity with

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02:24:36,480 --> 02:24:38,760
Speaker 1: one another. That is a strategy to keep us out

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02:24:38,760 --> 02:24:41,840
Speaker 1: of alliance at the same table and demanding more. I mean,

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02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:44,080
Speaker 1: it's something that I remember, I think it was. I

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02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:45,960
Speaker 1: think it was maybe something Buddha, judge or I don't know,

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02:24:46,080 --> 02:24:48,920
Speaker 1: some other some other politician. Uh, talked about in the

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02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:53,080
Speaker 1: wake of you know, saying like military weapons should not

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02:24:53,160 --> 02:24:55,880
Speaker 1: be used against like like should not be used in

2160
02:24:55,920 --> 02:24:59,680
Speaker 1: our streets or something like that. It's like, okay, but

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02:24:59,800 --> 02:25:02,080
Speaker 1: the logical extension of that is that they should be

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02:25:02,120 --> 02:25:07,320
Speaker 1: in other people's streets, like those are also civilians, Like

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02:25:07,440 --> 02:25:09,920
Speaker 1: those are also people's towns and cities and homes. Like

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02:25:10,040 --> 02:25:12,440
Speaker 1: why are we deciding that it's okay for them to

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02:25:12,520 --> 02:25:16,040
Speaker 1: be there and not not here? And obviously we're not

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02:25:16,120 --> 02:25:19,360
Speaker 1: actually deciding that they're not okay to be here. Um,

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02:25:19,840 --> 02:25:21,800
Speaker 1: But I feel like even the sort of attempts to

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02:25:21,840 --> 02:25:24,560
Speaker 1: try and address the insane militarization of the police don't

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02:25:24,560 --> 02:25:27,000
Speaker 1: rely on that other as if this is not a

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02:25:27,000 --> 02:25:30,039
Speaker 1: global issue, as if this is not something that affects everyone.

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02:25:30,840 --> 02:25:34,720
Speaker 1: The Solidarity Fund has said, quote invoking terrorism is a

2172
02:25:34,840 --> 02:25:39,039
Speaker 1: dog whistle calling for more police violence. Ever since nine eleven,

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02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:42,600
Speaker 1: American policy has been to hunt and kill terrorists by

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02:25:42,680 --> 02:25:47,320
Speaker 1: any means. Applying this same terrorism label to activists in

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02:25:47,400 --> 02:25:52,199
Speaker 1: our communities is prompting police to approach protests as war zones,

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02:25:52,760 --> 02:25:56,160
Speaker 1: prepared to kill at any time. This can be seen

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Speaker 1: in the way GSP stormed the Atlanta forest with militarized

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02:25:59,600 --> 02:26:03,520
Speaker 1: equipment and killed Tortuguita and God. I think there's also

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Speaker 1: this tendency to think of the assassination of environmental activists

2180
02:26:06,440 --> 02:26:09,000
Speaker 1: is something that happens elsewhere, Like this is something that

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02:26:09,080 --> 02:26:11,800
Speaker 1: happens in Central America, this is something that happens in

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02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:14,200
Speaker 1: the Amazon, Like this is not something that happens in

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02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:16,520
Speaker 1: the US. And it absolutely is something that happens in

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02:26:16,520 --> 02:26:19,000
Speaker 1: the US. And I think just sort of too to

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02:26:19,480 --> 02:26:21,960
Speaker 1: the name of your podcast, right, like it happens here,

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02:26:22,440 --> 02:26:25,120
Speaker 1: it's not and it it could be any of us.

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02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:28,200
Speaker 1: I think that that's another sort of possible strategy or

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02:26:28,240 --> 02:26:31,680
Speaker 1: idea behind this, like oh, they're outside agitators, thing of

2189
02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:34,640
Speaker 1: trying to create this scary stranger danger and trying to

2190
02:26:34,680 --> 02:26:37,360
Speaker 1: make people think that the person who has murdered couldn't

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02:26:37,400 --> 02:26:41,440
Speaker 1: be them because they're from here, like oh, like I'm local,

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02:26:41,560 --> 02:26:44,240
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't have been murdered. No, Like like no,

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02:26:44,400 --> 02:26:47,640
Speaker 1: absolutely not, Like they will murder with impunity. And it's

2194
02:26:47,800 --> 02:26:50,920
Speaker 1: really scary and it's really enraging. Like I I think

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02:26:50,959 --> 02:26:55,960
Speaker 1: it is both to me inspiring and because if they're

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02:26:55,959 --> 02:26:58,920
Speaker 1: going to kill no matter what, then why not cause

2197
02:26:58,959 --> 02:27:02,560
Speaker 1: as much good trouble as we can. On Thursday January,

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02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:06,760
Speaker 1: Governor Brian Kemp declared a state of emergency in response

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02:27:06,840 --> 02:27:11,720
Speaker 1: to protests Saturday night sparked by Torteguita's death. Under that order,

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02:27:11,959 --> 02:27:15,760
Speaker 1: one thousand National Guard troops were mobilized to quell protests

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Speaker 1: and police the streets of Atlanta. Once again, I'll end

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02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:24,760
Speaker 1: with the words of Tortuguita quote, Dear comrades, we are

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02:27:24,840 --> 02:27:28,240
Speaker 1: in the trenches of the class war. The capitalists would

2204
02:27:28,320 --> 02:27:31,000
Speaker 1: rather see us dead or enslaved, so we must fight

2205
02:27:31,160 --> 02:27:35,480
Speaker 1: like hell. Billionaires are causing a mass extinction and can

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02:27:35,600 --> 02:27:39,520
Speaker 1: only be stopped by collective action. Cops city can and

2207
02:27:39,720 --> 02:27:43,280
Speaker 1: must be stopped, but we need more help. We need

2208
02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:47,160
Speaker 1: people on the front lines and robust supply networks. We

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02:27:47,280 --> 02:27:51,720
Speaker 1: need to love and support each other unquote. Now that

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02:27:51,879 --> 02:27:54,480
Speaker 1: the war is here, how are we going to fight it?

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02:27:55,959 --> 02:27:58,440
Speaker 1: In the rain on leaves, tickle lift earl is the

2212
02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:01,080
Speaker 1: veget to midst The melody we mimicing is the sound

2213
02:28:01,120 --> 02:28:04,360
Speaker 1: of wind whistling long before the safety. It's channing under

2214
02:28:04,400 --> 02:28:07,960
Speaker 1: the stars, camped under vorgenopy, she sang o song, and

2215
02:28:08,080 --> 02:28:11,400
Speaker 1: she was far silent. No virus of violets, but the

2216
02:28:11,440 --> 02:28:14,320
Speaker 1: fragrance of her flowers, and continued to invite us the

2217
02:28:14,440 --> 02:28:18,359
Speaker 1: medicine materials of vitamins and minerals and all that is essential,

2218
02:28:18,400 --> 02:28:21,280
Speaker 1: which just grew right beside us. And Tyson started fighting

2219
02:28:21,360 --> 02:28:24,000
Speaker 1: over the gifts that she provided us, scorching the very

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02:28:24,120 --> 02:28:27,039
Speaker 1: soil that all of us derived from. And when empires

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02:28:27,160 --> 02:28:30,520
Speaker 1: learning came withstand Bia, we returned to the land where

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02:28:30,560 --> 02:28:33,640
Speaker 1: our ancestors rain dance. We are all her creatures, We

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02:28:33,760 --> 02:28:36,760
Speaker 1: still bear her features, the one and only reason all

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02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:39,920
Speaker 1: living things is breathing. The city's deceive and leave. Go

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02:28:40,120 --> 02:28:43,040
Speaker 1: see the dirt. Young gonna be among the lungs of

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02:28:43,120 --> 02:29:09,240
Speaker 1: Mother Earth. Cud yeah, yeah, yeah down. Before that shop

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02:29:09,400 --> 02:29:39,400
Speaker 1: him down, there was a forest. In the early morning

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02:29:39,520 --> 02:29:43,280
Speaker 1: of January thirty one, news started to proliferate that to

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02:29:43,400 --> 02:29:46,280
Speaker 1: the City of Atlanta, the Atlanta Police Foundation and Decapp

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02:29:46,360 --> 02:29:50,480
Speaker 1: County reached a quote unquote compromise regarding the future of

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02:29:50,680 --> 02:29:55,080
Speaker 1: Cops City. Words spread that city officials in Atlanta were

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02:29:55,200 --> 02:29:58,080
Speaker 1: about to announce a major scaling back of the Cops

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02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:01,840
Speaker 1: City project. At the project size would be dramatically reduced

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02:30:02,080 --> 02:30:05,600
Speaker 1: and focused more on fire Department and First respond to resources,

2235
02:30:06,080 --> 02:30:09,959
Speaker 1: as opposed to the original plans for the militarized police campus.

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02:30:10,959 --> 02:30:15,400
Speaker 1: Many were skeptical about this news and saw this simply

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02:30:15,520 --> 02:30:19,640
Speaker 1: as an empty promise masquerading as a compromise in a

2238
02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:24,560
Speaker 1: savvy pr move, but even some who were pessimistic at

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02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:27,600
Speaker 1: least saw this as a sign that the movement is

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02:30:27,680 --> 02:30:32,640
Speaker 1: having a substantial impact. Activists rallied outside city Hall, holding

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02:30:32,720 --> 02:30:36,600
Speaker 1: stop Coops city signs and Defend the Forest banners. Some

2242
02:30:36,800 --> 02:30:41,039
Speaker 1: reporters were denied entry into the press conference, and protesters

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02:30:41,240 --> 02:30:54,440
Speaker 1: stood outside Mayor Andre Dickens office and chanted. At the

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02:30:54,480 --> 02:30:57,600
Speaker 1: press conference that afternoon, the Mayor of Atlanta and representatives

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02:30:57,680 --> 02:31:01,439
Speaker 1: of Decapped County announced an agreement to allow the previously

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02:31:01,480 --> 02:31:05,800
Speaker 1: announced eight five acre Copsy project to proceed as planned,

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02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:10,200
Speaker 1: with land disturbance permits to be issued. The rest of

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02:31:10,280 --> 02:31:13,080
Speaker 1: the land parcel of forest least to the police foundation,

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02:31:13,320 --> 02:31:17,360
Speaker 1: will be allegedly set for preservation, a claim that was

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Speaker 1: already previously promised by officials involved with the project. De

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02:31:23,240 --> 02:31:26,640
Speaker 1: Cab County and the City of Atlanta released a memorandum

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02:31:26,760 --> 02:31:30,200
Speaker 1: of understanding for the building of the site, containing a

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02:31:30,320 --> 02:31:36,360
Speaker 1: quote statement of principles, commitments, and intentions unquote. Mayor Dickens

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02:31:36,520 --> 02:31:39,400
Speaker 1: framed the facility as an answer to demands for police

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02:31:39,440 --> 02:31:45,200
Speaker 1: training reform duringies George Floyd uprising, saying, quote, this training

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02:31:45,320 --> 02:31:48,800
Speaker 1: needs space, and that's exactly what this training center is

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02:31:48,840 --> 02:31:52,720
Speaker 1: going to offer unquote. The mayor also responded to environmental

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02:31:52,760 --> 02:31:56,359
Speaker 1: concerns by claiming the area of forest slated for destruction

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02:31:56,680 --> 02:32:03,320
Speaker 1: contains only quote invasive species, softwood, and weeds unquote. Officials

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Speaker 1: said the so called compromise agreement would contain provisions for

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02:32:07,400 --> 02:32:11,120
Speaker 1: preserving parts of the South River Forest. When asked how

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02:32:11,240 --> 02:32:14,640
Speaker 1: the environment would be protected, Mary Dickens mentioned that it's

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02:32:14,680 --> 02:32:18,480
Speaker 1: a three D eighty five acre set of land. Cops

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02:32:18,480 --> 02:32:22,080
Speaker 1: City is eighty five acres. The rest is green space,

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02:32:22,200 --> 02:32:24,880
Speaker 1: and that quote the environment will be protected in that

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02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:29,280
Speaker 1: way unquote, with no indication given on how it would

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02:32:29,320 --> 02:32:33,879
Speaker 1: be protected or by whom. Among the few environmental promises

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02:32:33,959 --> 02:32:38,920
Speaker 1: are quote replacing any removed or impacted specimen trees with

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02:32:39,080 --> 02:32:43,000
Speaker 1: one hundred new hardwood plantings on the site or elsewhere,

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02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:47,400
Speaker 1: as well as one specimen tree for any invasive species

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02:32:47,480 --> 02:32:51,560
Speaker 1: tree that was removed unquote. It's unknown if they have

2272
02:32:51,879 --> 02:32:54,959
Speaker 1: even counted how many trees have been felled so far.

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02:32:56,040 --> 02:32:59,960
Speaker 1: Activists called this employ to hastily pushed through a seque

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02:33:00,320 --> 02:33:04,160
Speaker 1: of land disturbance permits. The most up to date site

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02:33:04,200 --> 02:33:08,280
Speaker 1: plans has the Public Safety Training Center spread out over

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02:33:08,480 --> 02:33:11,760
Speaker 1: a parcel of one and seventy one acres, with about

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02:33:12,040 --> 02:33:15,960
Speaker 1: eighty seven of those acres slated for disturbance. There is

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02:33:16,160 --> 02:33:19,320
Speaker 1: nothing in the least agreement that restricts the Police Foundation

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Speaker 1: from building outside of those one hundred and seventy one acres,

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02:33:23,840 --> 02:33:27,720
Speaker 1: though they promise it will be protected green space. This

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02:33:28,400 --> 02:33:31,800
Speaker 1: compromise pr stunt is not even a new tactic. In

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02:33:31,879 --> 02:33:36,400
Speaker 1: August one, after initial protests against the project delayed the

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02:33:36,440 --> 02:33:39,800
Speaker 1: city Council voute, the Atlanta Police Foundation claimed a similar

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02:33:39,840 --> 02:33:43,280
Speaker 1: quote unquote compromise. Instead of clearing the three hundred and

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02:33:43,360 --> 02:33:45,640
Speaker 1: eighty so acres that they are leased by the City

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02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:48,840
Speaker 1: of Atlanta, they would reduce the footprint of buildings and

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02:33:49,080 --> 02:33:53,560
Speaker 1: disturbed surfaces to only ninety acres, while more of the

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02:33:53,680 --> 02:33:57,520
Speaker 1: land would be cleared and turned into turf fields, shooting ranges,

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02:33:57,959 --> 02:34:03,080
Speaker 1: and horses stables labeled vote unquote green space. And wouldn't

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02:34:03,080 --> 02:34:06,280
Speaker 1: you know that sounds almost exactly identical to this new

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02:34:06,360 --> 02:34:09,800
Speaker 1: plan for compromise unveiled at the end of last month.

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02:34:10,600 --> 02:34:15,080
Speaker 1: Upon such rhetoric and empty promises, the movement didn't falter,

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02:34:15,440 --> 02:34:19,040
Speaker 1: but continued to demand and fight for the full cancelation

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02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:22,760
Speaker 1: of the project, whether in the Wilani Forest or elsewhere.

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02:34:23,720 --> 02:34:27,240
Speaker 1: After the January thirty Feet press conference, organizers in Atlanta

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02:34:27,360 --> 02:34:31,280
Speaker 1: called for a week of solidarity actions starting February nineteen,

2297
02:34:31,520 --> 02:34:35,960
Speaker 1: through quote calling on all people wherever you are to

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02:34:36,080 --> 02:34:39,199
Speaker 1: take action in solidarity with the movement to Stop Cops City,

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02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:44,039
Speaker 1: protest sit in, call and email the contractors building Cops City.

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02:34:44,560 --> 02:34:49,480
Speaker 1: Every action has an impact unquote. At Stop Cops City

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02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:54,280
Speaker 1: solidarity dot org, there are guides for various actions people

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02:34:54,320 --> 02:34:58,080
Speaker 1: can take, from calling Cops City contractors or investors, to

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02:34:58,360 --> 02:35:02,560
Speaker 1: posting flyers around to own or planning direct action using

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02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:06,040
Speaker 1: the interactive target map. If you do go on any

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02:35:06,160 --> 02:35:10,199
Speaker 1: movement related website, it's strongly recommended to use a VPN

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02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:15,160
Speaker 1: and a tour compatible browser like Brave. The national spotlight

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02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:18,280
Speaker 1: on the movement has certainly increased a great deal in

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02:35:18,360 --> 02:35:21,960
Speaker 1: the past month, both with an influx of scrutiny and

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02:35:22,240 --> 02:35:25,640
Speaker 1: support from across the country. And even the world. The

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02:35:25,720 --> 02:35:28,560
Speaker 1: press collective has always had kind of a hybrid hybrid

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02:35:28,680 --> 02:35:32,440
Speaker 1: role both of reporting on the movement and researching the movement,

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02:35:33,240 --> 02:35:36,959
Speaker 1: researching the prison farm. But a lot of media outlets

2313
02:35:37,040 --> 02:35:41,600
Speaker 1: don't quite understand the autonomous nature of the struggle. So

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02:35:41,959 --> 02:35:44,680
Speaker 1: we have kind of found ourselves in a role of

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02:35:46,520 --> 02:35:51,080
Speaker 1: kind of liaison ng between media and the rest of

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02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:54,960
Speaker 1: the movement. But thankfully it's not just us doing it,

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02:35:55,040 --> 02:35:58,920
Speaker 1: because boys, everyone interested. All of a sudden, no one

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02:35:59,080 --> 02:36:00,840
Speaker 1: was talking about the move have been at the beginning,

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02:36:00,920 --> 02:36:03,480
Speaker 1: so we're like, all right, we'll talk about it ourselves.

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02:36:03,920 --> 02:36:07,640
Speaker 1: We've been able to use our platform to publicize a

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02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:12,480
Speaker 1: lot of solidarity events. Okay, not just share memorials and

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02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:17,400
Speaker 1: what people want others to know about torts, but you know,

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02:36:17,560 --> 02:36:21,959
Speaker 1: publicize these things across the nation and across the world.

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02:36:22,680 --> 02:36:27,400
Speaker 1: Statements and solidarity have come in from radicals in Italy, Germany, France,

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02:36:27,520 --> 02:36:31,800
Speaker 1: and Rojava. After the killing of Tortuguita, vigils happened in

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02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:35,920
Speaker 1: cities all across the United States. A wave of targeted

2327
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:40,280
Speaker 1: vandalism and direct action against cops, city investors, and contractors

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02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:44,959
Speaker 1: happened across the country. In response, to towards death in Atlanta.

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02:36:45,120 --> 02:36:48,240
Speaker 1: There's a concerted effort to not seed perception of the

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02:36:48,360 --> 02:36:52,920
Speaker 1: movement to the state. People have an intentional, collaborative way

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02:36:53,040 --> 02:36:57,640
Speaker 1: to affect how the movement is seen externally. This media

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02:36:57,680 --> 02:37:01,360
Speaker 1: strategy is simply one pronged of the fight, along with

2333
02:37:01,480 --> 02:37:06,880
Speaker 1: the encampments, sabotage, vandalism, pressure campaigns, and canvassing. I think

2334
02:37:06,920 --> 02:37:09,720
Speaker 1: it's really representative of the type of people that are

2335
02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:14,200
Speaker 1: dedicated to the struggle in general, the way that anyone

2336
02:37:14,240 --> 02:37:17,640
Speaker 1: and everyone has come together to handle the influx of

2337
02:37:17,720 --> 02:37:21,920
Speaker 1: media requests to make smart decisions about it, to make

2338
02:37:22,520 --> 02:37:25,440
Speaker 1: sure that decisions are made with the consent of those involved,

2339
02:37:25,560 --> 02:37:29,039
Speaker 1: be it sharing the stories of people who are arrested

2340
02:37:29,080 --> 02:37:34,000
Speaker 1: that day, sharing the stories of towards family and towards partners,

2341
02:37:34,640 --> 02:37:38,400
Speaker 1: and making sure to respect their boundaries in space. Despite

2342
02:37:38,520 --> 02:37:41,960
Speaker 1: the diverse nature of requests, there always seems to be

2343
02:37:42,080 --> 02:37:43,960
Speaker 1: somebody in the movement who is able to speak on

2344
02:37:44,120 --> 02:37:46,959
Speaker 1: whatever aspect of the struggle is needed. You need someone

2345
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:51,440
Speaker 1: who's cut a masters and environmental engineering. There's someone in

2346
02:37:51,520 --> 02:37:53,840
Speaker 1: the movement that can talk to you for forty five

2347
02:37:53,879 --> 02:37:56,640
Speaker 1: minutes about the good environmental reasons to stop Cops City.

2348
02:37:57,280 --> 02:37:59,160
Speaker 1: You need someone to talk for three hours about the

2349
02:37:59,240 --> 02:38:02,920
Speaker 1: history of the play. There's someone for that too. Um,

2350
02:38:03,560 --> 02:38:06,560
Speaker 1: you need someone to talk about how the project is

2351
02:38:07,480 --> 02:38:11,400
Speaker 1: a pretty good example of why the Black Mecca is

2352
02:38:11,440 --> 02:38:14,160
Speaker 1: a myth. The movement has people who can speak to

2353
02:38:14,240 --> 02:38:17,280
Speaker 1: that too. There's been a tremendous amount of attention paid

2354
02:38:17,280 --> 02:38:20,080
Speaker 1: to the movement all of a sudden, and again, the

2355
02:38:20,120 --> 02:38:22,960
Speaker 1: way folks have just stepped up and come together to

2356
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:27,360
Speaker 1: handle it, I think speaks to the communal nature of

2357
02:38:27,400 --> 02:38:32,080
Speaker 1: the movement. It is dedicated to building. It's not just

2358
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:34,800
Speaker 1: about saving the forest, it's about saving the forest for

2359
02:38:34,840 --> 02:38:38,680
Speaker 1: the community. When I spoke with Karen, the neighborhood mom

2360
02:38:38,720 --> 02:38:43,199
Speaker 1: who started canvassing and organizing in her community, she mentioned

2361
02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:46,440
Speaker 1: how even her older family, who are a long time

2362
02:38:46,560 --> 02:38:51,200
Speaker 1: Georgia residents, haven't totally bought the state's talking points. I

2363
02:38:51,280 --> 02:38:54,320
Speaker 1: can say, you know, my mom and my mother in law,

2364
02:38:54,400 --> 02:38:56,760
Speaker 1: and like, you know, family, they know that I care

2365
02:38:56,840 --> 02:39:00,960
Speaker 1: about this, and you know, their boomers. But I've been

2366
02:39:01,040 --> 02:39:03,480
Speaker 1: surprised how there's a lot of there's a lot of

2367
02:39:03,560 --> 02:39:06,720
Speaker 1: skepticism in the police narrative, which I found really interesting.

2368
02:39:07,240 --> 02:39:09,880
Speaker 1: You know, normally when something like this happens, it's just

2369
02:39:09,959 --> 02:39:13,560
Speaker 1: a hundred percent police narrative. Mayor Dickens, the day Torte

2370
02:39:13,640 --> 02:39:18,199
Speaker 1: died put out a pretty infamous tweet that just expressed

2371
02:39:18,240 --> 02:39:21,680
Speaker 1: their condolences to the family of the trooper that was injured,

2372
02:39:21,920 --> 02:39:26,360
Speaker 1: and not one single word about the person that died.

2373
02:39:27,160 --> 02:39:31,080
Speaker 1: And in most fatal incidents with police, you at least

2374
02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:34,960
Speaker 1: get some kind of boilerplate language about, oh, we're sorry

2375
02:39:35,000 --> 02:39:39,080
Speaker 1: that someone died, and a lot of the initial statements

2376
02:39:39,800 --> 02:39:44,880
Speaker 1: from government and large organizations just just said nothing. But

2377
02:39:45,720 --> 02:39:51,560
Speaker 1: the media, even local news, and pretty much every single report,

2378
02:39:51,760 --> 02:39:54,720
Speaker 1: there's at least a line or two, if not a

2379
02:39:54,800 --> 02:39:58,080
Speaker 1: pretty decent chunk of you know, whatever five PM news

2380
02:39:58,120 --> 02:40:01,960
Speaker 1: story it is. Let's say, protesters have questions, people have

2381
02:40:02,160 --> 02:40:07,560
Speaker 1: questions about towards death. And given the pretty universally negative

2382
02:40:07,760 --> 02:40:11,920
Speaker 1: way that local and Atlanta media in particular has covered

2383
02:40:11,959 --> 02:40:16,440
Speaker 1: the Defend the Force movement, the fact that even those

2384
02:40:16,480 --> 02:40:22,120
Speaker 1: outlets have to respond to the overwhelming amount of folks

2385
02:40:22,160 --> 02:40:26,720
Speaker 1: speaking out about how what happened doesn't make sense, about

2386
02:40:26,760 --> 02:40:29,520
Speaker 1: what kind of person toward was, about how none of

2387
02:40:29,600 --> 02:40:32,840
Speaker 1: this had to happen in the first place. I'd love

2388
02:40:32,959 --> 02:40:35,480
Speaker 1: to say that someone who pays attention to the meet,

2389
02:40:35,520 --> 02:40:38,279
Speaker 1: how the media covers this that I could have predicted

2390
02:40:38,320 --> 02:40:43,200
Speaker 1: that would happen. Three members of Congress, Rashida Talib, Corey Bush,

2391
02:40:43,440 --> 02:40:47,360
Speaker 1: and Senator Ed Markeys have joined in calling for an

2392
02:40:47,400 --> 02:40:51,800
Speaker 1: independent investigation into Tortuguita's death. Like I saw a screenshot

2393
02:40:51,840 --> 02:40:54,920
Speaker 1: from NBC News this morning NBC News, and like the

2394
02:40:55,000 --> 02:40:59,200
Speaker 1: Chiron was, protesters still have questions about towards death, like

2395
02:40:59,320 --> 02:41:03,800
Speaker 1: that's from this more even after after the riot, quote unquote,

2396
02:41:03,800 --> 02:41:06,680
Speaker 1: after the arson and property destruction, and almost like a

2397
02:41:06,760 --> 02:41:11,039
Speaker 1: week after the incident. I mean it was It's hard

2398
02:41:11,080 --> 02:41:14,000
Speaker 1: to remember now, but I think it was like almost

2399
02:41:14,040 --> 02:41:18,000
Speaker 1: a month after George Floyd died before folks really yeah,

2400
02:41:18,240 --> 02:41:21,800
Speaker 1: before it really got national attention. With when Ray Shard

2401
02:41:21,879 --> 02:41:23,560
Speaker 1: was killed here in Atlanta, it was a little more

2402
02:41:23,600 --> 02:41:27,880
Speaker 1: immediate because of because of a lot of things. During

2403
02:41:27,920 --> 02:41:31,360
Speaker 1: the rally at Underground Atlanta, while people were speaking in

2404
02:41:31,480 --> 02:41:34,800
Speaker 1: front of a dozen or so news cameras, someone talked

2405
02:41:34,800 --> 02:41:37,200
Speaker 1: about how there are still people in town that are

2406
02:41:37,480 --> 02:41:40,000
Speaker 1: just learning about Cops City and the fight to prevent

2407
02:41:40,080 --> 02:41:43,440
Speaker 1: it from being built. They work. I had four different

2408
02:41:43,480 --> 02:41:47,160
Speaker 1: conversations about the Lannie Forest in regards to everything that's

2409
02:41:47,200 --> 02:41:50,640
Speaker 1: going on, UM with four different people who were unaware

2410
02:41:50,680 --> 02:41:53,360
Speaker 1: of what was happening. UM. As big as this seems

2411
02:41:53,480 --> 02:41:56,200
Speaker 1: right now, a lot of people are still unaware. And

2412
02:41:56,560 --> 02:41:58,840
Speaker 1: as long as we keep being loud, as long as

2413
02:41:58,920 --> 02:42:01,360
Speaker 1: we make sure that cops they will never be fucking built.

2414
02:42:04,160 --> 02:42:07,560
Speaker 1: We just got to keep talking about it. UM. Maybe

2415
02:42:07,680 --> 02:42:11,959
Speaker 1: Dickens Ryan Mills said, you have blood on your hands, uh. City.

2416
02:42:15,240 --> 02:42:18,680
Speaker 1: I think we're about to really see how how the

2417
02:42:18,840 --> 02:42:22,360
Speaker 1: national media is going to pick up on the domestic terrorism.

2418
02:42:22,800 --> 02:42:24,720
Speaker 1: And frankly, the fact that they're talking to us at all,

2419
02:42:25,080 --> 02:42:26,920
Speaker 1: or the fact that they're talking to the movement at all,

2420
02:42:27,680 --> 02:42:30,000
Speaker 1: I think speaks to the strength of the movement and

2421
02:42:30,040 --> 02:42:33,720
Speaker 1: the simple truth of it, which is that it didn't

2422
02:42:33,800 --> 02:42:37,200
Speaker 1: have to die. Um. And this is a very wide

2423
02:42:37,360 --> 02:42:40,680
Speaker 1: ranging movement with a lot of people who have some

2424
02:42:40,840 --> 02:42:43,360
Speaker 1: very good reasons for being opposed to the project. And

2425
02:42:43,440 --> 02:42:46,160
Speaker 1: I think those reasons are so compelling that I don't

2426
02:42:46,160 --> 02:42:48,040
Speaker 1: want to say it's easy to see past the noise,

2427
02:42:48,640 --> 02:42:52,760
Speaker 1: but it's not that hard. I remember one conversation with

2428
02:42:52,920 --> 02:42:56,600
Speaker 1: Tort where I was like, this might just be like

2429
02:42:56,920 --> 02:43:00,200
Speaker 1: egotistical or something that I really think this is a

2430
02:43:00,280 --> 02:43:04,680
Speaker 1: lot bigger than you, you know, just a little neighborhood struggle.

2431
02:43:05,320 --> 02:43:09,119
Speaker 1: And yeah, we talked about We're like, yeah, no, people

2432
02:43:09,320 --> 02:43:11,840
Speaker 1: don't know it yet, but it's the intersection of so

2433
02:43:11,920 --> 02:43:15,240
Speaker 1: many things, and you know, if more people realize that,

2434
02:43:15,520 --> 02:43:19,560
Speaker 1: it would be huge. Um. And it's you know, really

2435
02:43:19,640 --> 02:43:22,920
Speaker 1: heartbreaking that I think they were they were right, Um,

2436
02:43:23,240 --> 02:43:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't get to see it. One of

2437
02:43:26,959 --> 02:43:29,360
Speaker 1: the main talking points the state has been trying to

2438
02:43:29,640 --> 02:43:33,840
Speaker 1: push through to the media is condemning cops, city protesters,

2439
02:43:34,040 --> 02:43:39,400
Speaker 1: and force defenders as outside agitators. There's a Good Crime

2440
02:43:39,480 --> 02:43:43,400
Speaker 1: Thing zine titled The Making of Outside Agitators that focuses

2441
02:43:43,560 --> 02:43:47,200
Speaker 1: on the use of the term as related to Ferguson

2442
02:43:47,320 --> 02:43:50,560
Speaker 1: uprising that gave birth to the modern Black Lives Matter movement.

2443
02:43:51,400 --> 02:43:53,840
Speaker 1: For this next section, i'll paraphrase a little bit from

2444
02:43:53,879 --> 02:43:58,120
Speaker 1: that zine. The state and media's invocation of the term

2445
02:43:58,160 --> 02:44:02,960
Speaker 1: in Atlanta has been celebrating rapidly since the raids last December,

2446
02:44:03,560 --> 02:44:08,200
Speaker 1: using it alongside notions of terrorism to justify the police's

2447
02:44:08,400 --> 02:44:13,680
Speaker 1: violent escalation of protest suppression. For example, this clip from

2448
02:44:13,760 --> 02:44:17,959
Speaker 1: the Cops City Community Stakeholders Advisory Committee meeting held days

2449
02:44:18,040 --> 02:44:21,480
Speaker 1: after the December raid that introduced the domestic terrorism charges

2450
02:44:22,040 --> 02:44:25,040
Speaker 1: speaking is the assistant chief for the Atlanta Police Department,

2451
02:44:25,400 --> 02:44:27,240
Speaker 1: and so one of the things we charged him with,

2452
02:44:27,680 --> 02:44:32,480
Speaker 1: to include criminal trustpath was domestic terrorism charge that we

2453
02:44:32,600 --> 02:44:35,600
Speaker 1: put on them. So going forward that that is one

2454
02:44:35,640 --> 02:44:38,680
Speaker 1: of the charges will be using because that's exactly what

2455
02:44:38,840 --> 02:44:40,800
Speaker 1: they are. None of those people live here. They do

2456
02:44:40,959 --> 02:44:44,200
Speaker 1: not have a vest interest in this property, and we

2457
02:44:44,320 --> 02:44:47,600
Speaker 1: show that time and time again. Um was an individual

2458
02:44:47,680 --> 02:44:51,760
Speaker 1: from Los Angeles, California, concerned about a training facility being

2459
02:44:51,840 --> 02:44:54,480
Speaker 1: built in the state of Georgia, and that is why

2460
02:44:54,600 --> 02:44:59,039
Speaker 1: we consider that domestic terrorism. There's a darkly prophetic sentence

2461
02:44:59,200 --> 02:45:02,760
Speaker 1: from that crime thing. Gazine I mentioned quote when we

2462
02:45:02,920 --> 02:45:07,039
Speaker 1: hear them say outside agitators, we know the authorities are

2463
02:45:07,120 --> 02:45:11,280
Speaker 1: getting ready to spill blood. A pretty consistent talking point

2464
02:45:11,520 --> 02:45:17,640
Speaker 1: by the police foundation police the state in general has

2465
02:45:17,720 --> 02:45:20,720
Speaker 1: been that a lot of the people they've arrested for

2466
02:45:21,879 --> 02:45:26,360
Speaker 1: incidents related to defend the forest have had out of

2467
02:45:26,440 --> 02:45:30,560
Speaker 1: state licenses, out of state addresses, and what they describe

2468
02:45:30,600 --> 02:45:35,560
Speaker 1: as no connection to Georgia. They have been sent here

2469
02:45:36,040 --> 02:45:40,720
Speaker 1: to too. Stirrup trouble. Right, Um, they aren't from here,

2470
02:45:41,640 --> 02:45:44,520
Speaker 1: they're just they're just here too because they don't like

2471
02:45:44,640 --> 02:45:48,720
Speaker 1: the cops, right, They have no they have no stake

2472
02:45:48,760 --> 02:45:52,000
Speaker 1: in the struggle. So there's some pretty obvious problems with that.

2473
02:45:52,240 --> 02:45:56,320
Speaker 1: And there's some pretty lengthy historic racism tied to the

2474
02:45:56,440 --> 02:46:00,880
Speaker 1: term outside agitators. Um that makes it, you know, especially

2475
02:46:01,000 --> 02:46:04,240
Speaker 1: hain us to to use. In the South, the term

2476
02:46:04,280 --> 02:46:09,480
Speaker 1: outside agitators was used to describe the Freedom Writers. So

2477
02:46:09,760 --> 02:46:11,160
Speaker 1: it's got a little bit, got a little bit of

2478
02:46:11,240 --> 02:46:14,680
Speaker 1: history there. Governor Brian Kemp declaring a state of emergency

2479
02:46:14,879 --> 02:46:17,320
Speaker 1: so that the National Guard can be on standby to

2480
02:46:17,440 --> 02:46:22,920
Speaker 1: occupy Atlanta sure seems like outside agitation. But even the

2481
02:46:23,000 --> 02:46:26,000
Speaker 1: Atlanta Police Department's use of the term carries with it

2482
02:46:26,120 --> 02:46:31,880
Speaker 1: a great deal of hypocrisy. Ap D has since really

2483
02:46:31,959 --> 02:46:34,600
Speaker 1: made a big deal out of stepping up its recruitment efforts,

2484
02:46:35,080 --> 02:46:36,920
Speaker 1: and if you go back and look at those presentations

2485
02:46:36,959 --> 02:46:41,320
Speaker 1: to the media to city council, they consistently talk about, oh,

2486
02:46:41,440 --> 02:46:43,600
Speaker 1: we went to New York for three days, we went

2487
02:46:43,680 --> 02:46:46,840
Speaker 1: to Miami for a week. I believe it was would

2488
02:46:46,879 --> 02:46:51,280
Speaker 1: have been September um, just after Darren Sheer bomb was

2489
02:46:51,520 --> 02:46:54,400
Speaker 1: officially installed as chief of Police, he went before the

2490
02:46:54,480 --> 02:46:58,320
Speaker 1: city Council and talked about how he was so proud

2491
02:46:58,560 --> 02:47:04,200
Speaker 1: to have personally recruited someone from Detroit per basically a

2492
02:47:04,320 --> 02:47:07,400
Speaker 1: part of their loan application, because they're applying for a

2493
02:47:07,480 --> 02:47:11,080
Speaker 1: loan to finance part of cops City. By their own

2494
02:47:11,200 --> 02:47:15,879
Speaker 1: numbers of recruits that will be trained at this facility

2495
02:47:16,320 --> 02:47:19,600
Speaker 1: will come from out of state. They are forty percent

2496
02:47:19,800 --> 02:47:23,040
Speaker 1: from outside the state of Georgia. Again in ap D

2497
02:47:23,120 --> 02:47:26,840
Speaker 1: s on statements about the facility, this facility is built

2498
02:47:27,280 --> 02:47:31,160
Speaker 1: to bring in people from out of state, from out

2499
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:35,360
Speaker 1: of the country, even because Atlanta participates in the Georgia

2500
02:47:35,360 --> 02:47:39,600
Speaker 1: International Law Enforcement Exchange, which is basically an exchange program

2501
02:47:39,760 --> 02:47:43,640
Speaker 1: with the idea with with the Israeli military. Where we

2502
02:47:43,760 --> 02:47:46,680
Speaker 1: go there, they come here, we teach each other. News

2503
02:47:46,800 --> 02:47:50,280
Speaker 1: articles claiming that a majority of those arrested are residents

2504
02:47:50,400 --> 02:47:53,640
Speaker 1: from other states might sound like convinced the evidence to

2505
02:47:53,800 --> 02:47:57,280
Speaker 1: middle class readers, But anyone who has been poor and

2506
02:47:57,440 --> 02:48:00,880
Speaker 1: precarious knows that the permanent addres us you give when

2507
02:48:00,920 --> 02:48:03,959
Speaker 1: you're arrested may not be the same as the place

2508
02:48:04,040 --> 02:48:07,320
Speaker 1: you actually live. You might give a different address because

2509
02:48:07,400 --> 02:48:10,480
Speaker 1: you aren't sure your current housing will last because your

2510
02:48:10,560 --> 02:48:13,040
Speaker 1: landlord doesn't know your place has more people in it

2511
02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:15,880
Speaker 1: than are named on the lease, or simply because you

2512
02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:19,480
Speaker 1: don't want local vigilantes to know where you live. Instead,

2513
02:48:19,640 --> 02:48:23,440
Speaker 1: you might give a more reliable, long term address, perhaps

2514
02:48:23,600 --> 02:48:26,400
Speaker 1: from another state. I mean not a human level, like

2515
02:48:27,040 --> 02:48:30,160
Speaker 1: how many times have you moved somewhere and not changed

2516
02:48:30,200 --> 02:48:33,880
Speaker 1: your address? How many times have you going to the

2517
02:48:34,000 --> 02:48:37,039
Speaker 1: DMV sucks? Yes, going to the t m V sucks.

2518
02:48:38,640 --> 02:48:40,560
Speaker 1: So a lot of people don't have the privilege to

2519
02:48:40,600 --> 02:48:41,720
Speaker 1: be able to go to the d n B or

2520
02:48:41,800 --> 02:48:44,240
Speaker 1: don't have a permanent home address. A lot of people

2521
02:48:44,400 --> 02:48:47,080
Speaker 1: are dealing with housing instability, like there's there's so many

2522
02:48:47,160 --> 02:48:50,760
Speaker 1: aspects of this that makes it pretty egregious. And not

2523
02:48:50,959 --> 02:48:55,760
Speaker 1: only of course, is this a struggle that is deeply

2524
02:48:55,879 --> 02:48:59,959
Speaker 1: compelling regardless of where you call home. It just doesn't

2525
02:49:00,040 --> 02:49:03,480
Speaker 1: match up to like the facts of life, Like it's

2526
02:49:03,560 --> 02:49:06,280
Speaker 1: it's a little bit bizarre their insistence that the local

2527
02:49:06,400 --> 02:49:10,959
Speaker 1: populace couldn't possibly be that opposed to it, when grab

2528
02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:15,320
Speaker 1: any one person in the movement who's from who's from Georgia,

2529
02:49:15,520 --> 02:49:18,680
Speaker 1: and they know tend people who's opposed to it. That

2530
02:49:18,800 --> 02:49:23,439
Speaker 1: person knows ten people. And also you you have statistics

2531
02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:29,640
Speaker 1: like during the what's seventeen hours of public comment, seventy

2532
02:49:29,720 --> 02:49:33,560
Speaker 1: people who called in were opposed to it. Basically the

2533
02:49:33,640 --> 02:49:36,120
Speaker 1: only people who weren't were people who self identified as

2534
02:49:36,200 --> 02:49:40,440
Speaker 1: police officers, firefighters, and those who lived in Buckhead. And

2535
02:49:40,560 --> 02:49:43,880
Speaker 1: it's it's not that simple, but it's pretty clear that

2536
02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:47,400
Speaker 1: maybe you'd be okay with building the facility somewhere else.

2537
02:49:48,080 --> 02:49:51,320
Speaker 1: Maybe you're an abolitionist, maybe this, that and the other.

2538
02:49:51,480 --> 02:49:55,600
Speaker 1: But Atlanta doesn't want this. Atlanta doesn't want this here.

2539
02:49:56,360 --> 02:49:59,440
Speaker 1: Let's imagine that some of these arrestees who gave out

2540
02:49:59,480 --> 02:50:02,960
Speaker 1: of town addresses are in Atlanta for the very first time.

2541
02:50:03,320 --> 02:50:07,400
Speaker 1: Would that make them outside agitators? Maybe if the issue

2542
02:50:07,520 --> 02:50:10,960
Speaker 1: was specific to Atlanta alone and they had no stake

2543
02:50:11,000 --> 02:50:14,240
Speaker 1: in the cause, Cops City would be a place that

2544
02:50:14,800 --> 02:50:18,800
Speaker 1: police agencies from all around the country and world come

2545
02:50:18,840 --> 02:50:23,640
Speaker 1: to to train and practice urban militarism. Climate collapse and

2546
02:50:23,879 --> 02:50:28,240
Speaker 1: the destruction of forests is similarly a worldwide issue and

2547
02:50:28,480 --> 02:50:33,039
Speaker 1: one of apocalyptic magnitude. It's a false narrative in one sense,

2548
02:50:33,160 --> 02:50:37,400
Speaker 1: because climate change effects everybody cutting down a forest would

2549
02:50:37,400 --> 02:50:40,680
Speaker 1: make climate change worse like that's a very, very very

2550
02:50:40,760 --> 02:50:44,959
Speaker 1: obvious talking point. If if environment of protecting the environment

2551
02:50:45,200 --> 02:50:49,720
Speaker 1: is important to you, it is obvious that this is

2552
02:50:50,760 --> 02:50:54,600
Speaker 1: a very key struggle right now, especially in the context

2553
02:50:54,640 --> 02:50:59,360
Speaker 1: of Atlanta being and growing and also gentrifying city, and

2554
02:51:00,720 --> 02:51:05,360
Speaker 1: this being in a largely black and brown, middle to

2555
02:51:05,480 --> 02:51:11,560
Speaker 1: low income neighborhood, and this being such a vast green

2556
02:51:11,640 --> 02:51:16,640
Speaker 1: space in those communities that don't have the manicured Piedmont

2557
02:51:16,720 --> 02:51:20,120
Speaker 1: Park in their backyards. When people are suffering the same

2558
02:51:20,200 --> 02:51:23,320
Speaker 1: forms of oppression everywhere, it makes sense for us to

2559
02:51:23,360 --> 02:51:27,199
Speaker 1: come to each other's assistance. This is not outside agitation.

2560
02:51:27,840 --> 02:51:32,359
Speaker 1: This is solidarity. Solidarity has always been the most important

2561
02:51:32,480 --> 02:51:35,840
Speaker 1: tool of the oppressed. This is why authorities go to

2562
02:51:36,120 --> 02:51:39,840
Speaker 1: such lengths to demonize anybody who has the courage to

2563
02:51:40,280 --> 02:51:44,640
Speaker 1: take risks to support others. Crickets spoke at length about

2564
02:51:45,160 --> 02:51:48,480
Speaker 1: the outside agitator narrative that the state has been employing.

2565
02:51:49,040 --> 02:51:50,840
Speaker 1: I think one thing that comes to mind is something

2566
02:51:50,920 --> 02:51:53,360
Speaker 1: that I've heard a lot, is that the people in

2567
02:51:53,400 --> 02:51:56,160
Speaker 1: this movement are not from here, quote unquote, that they're

2568
02:51:56,480 --> 02:52:00,480
Speaker 1: outside agitators, that they're not from this community, they're you know,

2569
02:52:00,720 --> 02:52:02,920
Speaker 1: and and it's it seems to be very clear to

2570
02:52:02,959 --> 02:52:05,400
Speaker 1: be an attempt to sort of discredit what is a

2571
02:52:05,520 --> 02:52:07,680
Speaker 1: very clear majority of the community that does not want

2572
02:52:07,720 --> 02:52:12,480
Speaker 1: this forest destroyed, does not want cops city built, you know. Um.

2573
02:52:12,600 --> 02:52:15,320
Speaker 1: And that argument infuriates me because I mean, first of all,

2574
02:52:15,480 --> 02:52:18,000
Speaker 1: the U. S. Military is the biggest like outside agitator

2575
02:52:18,080 --> 02:52:20,560
Speaker 1: in the world. Um. And I just I find that

2576
02:52:20,680 --> 02:52:24,280
Speaker 1: irony sort of unbearable. And then I think there's this

2577
02:52:24,440 --> 02:52:27,160
Speaker 1: question we can get into questions of what does it

2578
02:52:27,240 --> 02:52:29,640
Speaker 1: mean to be from somewhere? And what I think is

2579
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:32,680
Speaker 1: a more helpful question is how are you somewhere? How

2580
02:52:32,720 --> 02:52:35,480
Speaker 1: are you in relation to a place? And I I

2581
02:52:35,560 --> 02:52:37,440
Speaker 1: think Tort with someone who was always trying to be

2582
02:52:37,520 --> 02:52:40,000
Speaker 1: in the right relation with the land and in right

2583
02:52:40,080 --> 02:52:43,000
Speaker 1: relation with their neighbors, in right relation with the communities here.

2584
02:52:43,480 --> 02:52:45,360
Speaker 1: One story that I keep revisiting of them is when

2585
02:52:45,400 --> 02:52:48,039
Speaker 1: we were checking in uh And and people are asking them,

2586
02:52:48,400 --> 02:52:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, what, what do folks in the forest need?

2587
02:52:51,320 --> 02:52:54,000
Speaker 1: What can we get them? Do they need food? What?

2588
02:52:54,320 --> 02:52:55,760
Speaker 1: You know what do they need? And Toward was like,

2589
02:52:55,840 --> 02:52:58,280
Speaker 1: oh no, actually, you know, we have everything we need.

2590
02:52:58,360 --> 02:53:00,680
Speaker 1: But it would be great if people could start we

2591
02:53:00,760 --> 02:53:02,480
Speaker 1: could make sure they're giving food to the poor folks

2592
02:53:02,480 --> 02:53:04,960
Speaker 1: in their own communities, Like make sure you're giving the

2593
02:53:04,959 --> 02:53:07,760
Speaker 1: food to the people in your neighborhoods. Are you checking

2594
02:53:07,840 --> 02:53:10,360
Speaker 1: in with the un housed communities in your neighborhood like

2595
02:53:10,480 --> 02:53:12,920
Speaker 1: they were? Just I think, constantly seeking to be in

2596
02:53:13,080 --> 02:53:15,720
Speaker 1: right relation. And I think regardless of where all of

2597
02:53:15,800 --> 02:53:17,560
Speaker 1: us are from, if we if we can can claim

2598
02:53:17,600 --> 02:53:19,480
Speaker 1: to be from somewhere, I mean, arguably, if we're not

2599
02:53:19,600 --> 02:53:23,440
Speaker 1: Muscogee Creek, none of us is from here. Um. But

2600
02:53:23,520 --> 02:53:25,520
Speaker 1: I think it's a more helpful direction to think about

2601
02:53:25,720 --> 02:53:27,840
Speaker 1: what are we doing once we're here? How are we

2602
02:53:27,920 --> 02:53:30,120
Speaker 1: trying to be here? And yeah, I mean that that

2603
02:53:30,240 --> 02:53:35,160
Speaker 1: specific argument. Really, it really frustrates me because I think

2604
02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:38,279
Speaker 1: it really obvious skates how much this is a local movement,

2605
02:53:38,760 --> 02:53:41,560
Speaker 1: and also having solidarity from across state lines, from across

2606
02:53:41,680 --> 02:53:45,359
Speaker 1: national lines, speaks to the intersection of our the intersections

2607
02:53:45,360 --> 02:53:48,560
Speaker 1: of our oppressions, the intersections of our movements. It doesn't

2608
02:53:48,560 --> 02:53:50,720
Speaker 1: speak to the fact that this is co opted or

2609
02:53:50,760 --> 02:53:54,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't indicate anything other than that none of us

2610
02:53:54,480 --> 02:53:57,279
Speaker 1: is free, into all of us are free. The ultimate

2611
02:53:57,360 --> 02:53:59,920
Speaker 1: goal of the police is not so much to brew

2612
02:54:00,040 --> 02:54:05,160
Speaker 1: utalize and pacify specific individuals, as it is to extract

2613
02:54:05,400 --> 02:54:11,560
Speaker 1: rebelliousness itself from the social fabric. They seek to externalize agitation,

2614
02:54:11,840 --> 02:54:14,840
Speaker 1: so anyone who stands up for themselves will be seen

2615
02:54:15,040 --> 02:54:20,760
Speaker 1: as an outsider, as deviant and anti social. Noah mentioned

2616
02:54:20,879 --> 02:54:24,640
Speaker 1: how the outside agitated or narrative is rooted in stripping

2617
02:54:24,680 --> 02:54:28,880
Speaker 1: people of their own autonomy. It's it's completely denying, like

2618
02:54:29,000 --> 02:54:32,440
Speaker 1: the freedom of movement and the freedom to decide that

2619
02:54:32,560 --> 02:54:36,240
Speaker 1: you would like to go and support other issues, and

2620
02:54:36,360 --> 02:54:40,320
Speaker 1: so with like the empathy of solidarity with other people.

2621
02:54:43,720 --> 02:54:47,000
Speaker 1: Just deciding that if you are living here a bit

2622
02:54:47,040 --> 02:54:50,520
Speaker 1: from out of town, that somehow makes you, that makes

2623
02:54:51,280 --> 02:54:53,800
Speaker 1: ms more and more dangerous, and if you are an

2624
02:54:53,879 --> 02:54:58,320
Speaker 1: official resident in some way it's all I mean. And

2625
02:54:58,440 --> 02:55:00,200
Speaker 1: even some of the people who are like out of

2626
02:55:00,280 --> 02:55:04,720
Speaker 1: town there like not even two hours away from where

2627
02:55:05,280 --> 02:55:09,040
Speaker 1: from where the prosecutors are claiming where they're from. The

2628
02:55:09,160 --> 02:55:13,480
Speaker 1: outside agitator's narrative only works if we have this sense

2629
02:55:13,640 --> 02:55:16,480
Speaker 1: of other nests that we talked about in the last episode,

2630
02:55:17,160 --> 02:55:22,320
Speaker 1: This disconnect and separation from neighboring struggles, as if lines

2631
02:55:22,440 --> 02:55:26,560
Speaker 1: on a map change the morality of actions, keeping people

2632
02:55:26,920 --> 02:55:31,920
Speaker 1: in pre trial jail for an unknown amount of time

2633
02:55:32,080 --> 02:55:36,040
Speaker 1: could could be literally over a year because they are

2634
02:55:36,200 --> 02:55:38,959
Speaker 1: deemed non local, so the judge thought they were quote

2635
02:55:39,000 --> 02:55:43,359
Speaker 1: unquote flight risk beyond the charges themselves, which are innately

2636
02:55:43,520 --> 02:55:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of absurd. And the brutality is is the point

2637
02:55:48,120 --> 02:55:51,360
Speaker 1: she audacity of keeping people with no evidence in cages

2638
02:55:51,440 --> 02:55:55,080
Speaker 1: for years um for going to a protest is just

2639
02:55:56,200 --> 02:55:59,200
Speaker 1: it's not surprising, but it still is incredibly upsetting. Like

2640
02:55:59,320 --> 02:56:01,920
Speaker 1: it's like, it's no and it would be completely decried

2641
02:56:01,959 --> 02:56:04,880
Speaker 1: if we're happening at any other country, right and a

2642
02:56:05,000 --> 02:56:08,520
Speaker 1: massive human rights violation. If it's happening in China because

2643
02:56:08,560 --> 02:56:11,520
Speaker 1: of the U. S. China relations, like absolutely not there,

2644
02:56:11,879 --> 02:56:15,000
Speaker 1: there'd be an entire like I don't know, national outcry.

2645
02:56:15,720 --> 02:56:18,120
Speaker 1: But because it's people who are resisting this government in

2646
02:56:18,240 --> 02:56:20,280
Speaker 1: this state, then yeah, it doesn't get the same kind

2647
02:56:20,320 --> 02:56:23,200
Speaker 1: of empathy, it doesn't get the same outcry. When I

2648
02:56:23,240 --> 02:56:26,400
Speaker 1: talked with Karen, she spoke about how thankful she is

2649
02:56:26,480 --> 02:56:28,920
Speaker 1: that there are people from across the country, people like

2650
02:56:29,040 --> 02:56:32,520
Speaker 1: tort who care about the South River Forest enough to

2651
02:56:32,720 --> 02:56:35,720
Speaker 1: travel to Atlanta to defend it. In terms of the

2652
02:56:35,840 --> 02:56:40,040
Speaker 1: narrative of like outside agitators. You know, I'm I'm really

2653
02:56:40,120 --> 02:56:43,279
Speaker 1: grateful that people are coming to like protect the forest

2654
02:56:43,360 --> 02:56:47,320
Speaker 1: in my backyard, Like I am, I have like so

2655
02:56:47,480 --> 02:56:53,720
Speaker 1: much gratitude. It is so it is so meaningful. Um. Yeah,

2656
02:56:54,400 --> 02:56:57,640
Speaker 1: and I yeah, I think I I think after the

2657
02:56:57,720 --> 02:57:01,560
Speaker 1: first raid I told towards that I'm glad I did.

2658
02:57:02,760 --> 02:57:06,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, it really is like just so much gratitude.

2659
02:57:07,680 --> 02:57:11,119
Speaker 1: The framing of outside agitators is meant to keep people

2660
02:57:11,200 --> 02:57:15,240
Speaker 1: away and stifle solidarity, just like the domestic terrorism charges

2661
02:57:15,280 --> 02:57:18,720
Speaker 1: are meant to the state is trying out every tactic

2662
02:57:18,840 --> 02:57:22,720
Speaker 1: to scare people away from participating in the movement. So

2663
02:57:22,959 --> 02:57:25,640
Speaker 1: it feels like just the past month there's been such

2664
02:57:25,720 --> 02:57:29,280
Speaker 1: a intense increase in the level of state repression and

2665
02:57:29,360 --> 02:57:35,360
Speaker 1: state violence. How do you see things evolving in the

2666
02:57:35,480 --> 02:57:38,879
Speaker 1: next few weeks and months and or like even days

2667
02:57:38,959 --> 02:57:42,600
Speaker 1: at this point, like just with how both like physical

2668
02:57:42,720 --> 02:57:45,720
Speaker 1: violence definitely increasing with the raids and now like you know,

2669
02:57:45,959 --> 02:57:49,960
Speaker 1: killing somebody, um, and then the types of like you know,

2670
02:57:50,440 --> 02:57:54,520
Speaker 1: judicial abuse of power of giving people seven thousand dollar bail,

2671
02:57:55,120 --> 02:57:59,000
Speaker 1: keeping you know, many others just in jail and perpetuity

2672
02:57:59,720 --> 02:58:02,840
Speaker 1: for who knows how long. Yeah, I mean, I think

2673
02:58:02,879 --> 02:58:05,200
Speaker 1: it's clear looking at this movement that the state, the

2674
02:58:05,320 --> 02:58:09,040
Speaker 1: cops police have always been the first to escalate, have

2675
02:58:09,680 --> 02:58:12,920
Speaker 1: and have now murdered someone, have now assassinated someone, and

2676
02:58:13,000 --> 02:58:16,320
Speaker 1: are the ones who are constantly sort of making putting

2677
02:58:16,480 --> 02:58:19,680
Speaker 1: other people's lives in danger. They're really the people who

2678
02:58:19,720 --> 02:58:22,440
Speaker 1: are making folks unsafe. And and to it was a

2679
02:58:22,480 --> 02:58:24,960
Speaker 1: street medic. To it was someone who went through street

2680
02:58:25,000 --> 02:58:28,320
Speaker 1: medic training with someone who was passionate about protecting their community.

2681
02:58:28,800 --> 02:58:30,440
Speaker 1: And a street medic training one of the things that

2682
02:58:30,560 --> 02:58:33,360
Speaker 1: is taught, there's a whole section on police weapons and

2683
02:58:33,400 --> 02:58:35,720
Speaker 1: state weapons and ensure we cover tear gas, we cover

2684
02:58:35,800 --> 02:58:39,040
Speaker 1: on bullets, we cover all anything that you can sort

2685
02:58:39,080 --> 02:58:42,960
Speaker 1: of commonly see protests or in raids. And one of

2686
02:58:42,959 --> 02:58:45,840
Speaker 1: the biggest weapons that we always cover his fear. And

2687
02:58:46,760 --> 02:58:49,240
Speaker 1: that is really what I see happening with this escalation

2688
02:58:49,400 --> 02:58:52,560
Speaker 1: is that yes, there's a sort of increase of literal weapons,

2689
02:58:52,640 --> 02:58:55,840
Speaker 1: of of of arms, of just everything that we've heard

2690
02:58:55,879 --> 02:58:59,320
Speaker 1: about in in the forest um. But I think when

2691
02:58:59,360 --> 02:59:02,120
Speaker 1: you take add in combination with the ludicrous charges, what

2692
02:59:02,240 --> 02:59:04,560
Speaker 1: they're really trying to weaponize as our own fear, as

2693
02:59:04,600 --> 02:59:07,400
Speaker 1: our our our own emotions, making us think that it's

2694
02:59:07,440 --> 02:59:09,840
Speaker 1: too dangerous to be in the forest, that it's not

2695
02:59:09,959 --> 02:59:13,160
Speaker 1: worth it, that it's too risky, making us think that

2696
02:59:13,200 --> 02:59:16,680
Speaker 1: the forest itself is somehow an unsafe place, making us

2697
02:59:16,720 --> 02:59:19,080
Speaker 1: think that the people who protected are unsafe. And I

2698
02:59:19,120 --> 02:59:21,480
Speaker 1: think that's the that's the sort of trend that I'm seeing.

2699
02:59:22,040 --> 02:59:24,039
Speaker 1: I think in terms of what's coming next, I think

2700
02:59:24,040 --> 02:59:26,840
Speaker 1: they're going to keep leaning into the weapon of fear.

2701
02:59:27,440 --> 02:59:30,360
Speaker 1: I think it's um I think it's you know, it's

2702
02:59:30,400 --> 02:59:32,920
Speaker 1: it's it's not not ha ha funny that they accuse

2703
02:59:33,400 --> 02:59:35,680
Speaker 1: protesters and the people who have been charged with domestic

2704
02:59:35,760 --> 02:59:39,880
Speaker 1: terrorism of intimidation, when clearly they're using those charges to

2705
02:59:39,959 --> 02:59:42,400
Speaker 1: intimidate people, both the people who are charged with it

2706
02:59:42,480 --> 02:59:44,560
Speaker 1: and anyone who might consider themselves an ally or a

2707
02:59:44,640 --> 02:59:47,080
Speaker 1: friend of the forest and a friend of the forest defenders.

2708
02:59:48,160 --> 02:59:50,640
Speaker 1: So what I see moving forward in terms of carrying

2709
02:59:50,720 --> 02:59:53,400
Speaker 1: towards legacy forward, in terms of carrying this movement forward,

2710
02:59:53,520 --> 02:59:56,680
Speaker 1: is not buying into that bullshit, like very much being

2711
02:59:56,920 --> 02:59:59,720
Speaker 1: fear walking and not trying to say people shouldn't be

2712
02:59:59,760 --> 03:00:02,840
Speaker 1: scared or not have those feelings. But one of the

2713
03:00:02,879 --> 03:00:05,920
Speaker 1: memories of tor that I have is them very clearly

2714
03:00:06,000 --> 03:00:09,360
Speaker 1: refusing intimidation. Whether it was cops, whether it was you

2715
03:00:09,440 --> 03:00:11,840
Speaker 1: know whoever the sort of representative of the state was,

2716
03:00:12,320 --> 03:00:14,400
Speaker 1: they never gave into that. And I think that's what

2717
03:00:14,480 --> 03:00:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to carry forward with a lot of us

2718
03:00:16,160 --> 03:00:20,240
Speaker 1: are trying to carry forward. Noah spoke similarly about fear

2719
03:00:20,440 --> 03:00:24,080
Speaker 1: being a powerful weapon of the state and a very

2720
03:00:24,160 --> 03:00:28,000
Speaker 1: insidious one because it doesn't punish people for actions they

2721
03:00:28,040 --> 03:00:30,920
Speaker 1: may or may not have done, but instead works to

2722
03:00:31,040 --> 03:00:34,560
Speaker 1: prevent people from taking action in the first place. Fear

2723
03:00:35,879 --> 03:00:39,680
Speaker 1: the number one that the state ranch to bear all

2724
03:00:39,760 --> 03:00:44,440
Speaker 1: of their their toys and their guns and ship do

2725
03:00:44,640 --> 03:00:47,720
Speaker 1: not have the reach and do not have the capacity

2726
03:00:47,920 --> 03:00:57,359
Speaker 1: to stop liberation. Fear making people afraid of the idea

2727
03:00:57,720 --> 03:01:04,240
Speaker 1: of sidence is extremely powerful, and it's something that we

2728
03:01:04,360 --> 03:01:06,480
Speaker 1: all have to combat our own ways. It's something we

2729
03:01:06,520 --> 03:01:10,080
Speaker 1: will have to resist in our own ways because that

2730
03:01:10,200 --> 03:01:14,039
Speaker 1: obviously the state is capable of murdering and of putting

2731
03:01:14,080 --> 03:01:16,160
Speaker 1: people in prison for a very long time, and that

2732
03:01:16,320 --> 03:01:18,080
Speaker 1: is scary, and that is a valid thing to be

2733
03:01:18,160 --> 03:01:23,080
Speaker 1: afraid of. But we stand to lose so much if

2734
03:01:23,200 --> 03:01:26,320
Speaker 1: we do not combat that fear, to face off with them,

2735
03:01:27,280 --> 03:01:31,040
Speaker 1: that it's just something that I've found I have to manage.

2736
03:01:31,240 --> 03:01:36,280
Speaker 1: It's something that because we I'm so much more afraid

2737
03:01:36,480 --> 03:01:39,080
Speaker 1: of what we all lose if we don't stop them

2738
03:01:39,160 --> 03:01:42,800
Speaker 1: here than I am of myself being harmed or going

2739
03:01:43,200 --> 03:01:46,520
Speaker 1: to prison. We all stand to lose ten tens of

2740
03:01:46,600 --> 03:01:49,920
Speaker 1: millions of people stand to lose everything if we allow

2741
03:01:50,200 --> 03:01:54,000
Speaker 1: climate backalypse to bear, if we allow the powers that

2742
03:01:54,120 --> 03:01:57,680
Speaker 1: be to get significantly more effective at combating dissidents in

2743
03:01:57,720 --> 03:02:01,760
Speaker 1: the streets from you in gosh, not not just in

2744
03:02:01,800 --> 03:02:06,680
Speaker 1: the United States, but for national struggling in the same

2745
03:02:06,760 --> 03:02:11,800
Speaker 1: police department that cross training. Do you think the idea

2746
03:02:12,080 --> 03:02:15,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't becoming the facility to try and better heart, you know,

2747
03:02:16,480 --> 03:02:23,640
Speaker 1: past and dissidence. This will mean something to every foreign military,

2748
03:02:23,720 --> 03:02:27,600
Speaker 1: to every foreign police, for every police forshon There's a

2749
03:02:27,680 --> 03:02:31,160
Speaker 1: quote from Tortuguita talking about how to deal with fear.

2750
03:02:32,040 --> 03:02:35,000
Speaker 1: What I'm about to read also demonstrates, as their partner

2751
03:02:35,080 --> 03:02:39,240
Speaker 1: said that tort was very aware of the risks inherent

2752
03:02:39,400 --> 03:02:43,359
Speaker 1: to resisting the state, especially as a non white forest defender.

2753
03:02:44,240 --> 03:02:47,080
Speaker 1: But with an understanding of that risk and the fear

2754
03:02:47,120 --> 03:02:51,120
Speaker 1: associated with said risk, they chose it was worth it

2755
03:02:51,360 --> 03:02:56,240
Speaker 1: to keep on fighting. Quote, Am I scared of the state?

2756
03:02:57,000 --> 03:02:59,920
Speaker 1: Pretty silly not to be. I'm a brown person. I'm

2757
03:03:00,040 --> 03:03:03,840
Speaker 1: might be killed by the police for existing in certain spaces.

2758
03:03:04,879 --> 03:03:07,920
Speaker 1: Fear is the mind killer. That's a quote I think

2759
03:03:07,959 --> 03:03:11,920
Speaker 1: about often. I must not fear, and fear's the mind

2760
03:03:11,959 --> 03:03:14,920
Speaker 1: the killer. And here's a little death that brings total

2761
03:03:15,000 --> 03:03:19,520
Speaker 1: of liliteration. Face my fear. I'm permitted to pass over

2762
03:03:19,640 --> 03:03:24,360
Speaker 1: me and to me to continue. What tort said, quote

2763
03:03:25,200 --> 03:03:29,400
Speaker 1: I am scared, but you can't let the fear stop

2764
03:03:29,480 --> 03:03:36,200
Speaker 1: you from doing things, from living, from existing, from resisting unquote.

2765
03:03:37,360 --> 03:03:41,160
Speaker 1: In the early nineteen sixties, Atlanta was dubbed the City

2766
03:03:41,320 --> 03:03:44,720
Speaker 1: Too Busy to Hate. The phrase can be traced back

2767
03:03:44,920 --> 03:03:48,000
Speaker 1: to a Civil Rights era marketing slogan attributed to Mayor

2768
03:03:48,160 --> 03:03:51,800
Speaker 1: Ivan Allen, who spent millions of dollars in the nineteen

2769
03:03:51,879 --> 03:03:56,480
Speaker 1: sixties to promote Atlanta as a business oriented city, a

2770
03:03:56,560 --> 03:03:59,440
Speaker 1: city moving forward from its racial past and into a

2771
03:04:00,000 --> 03:04:04,520
Speaker 1: hopeful new future. This was the beginning of the Atlanta Way.

2772
03:04:05,440 --> 03:04:08,000
Speaker 1: Still today, you can find this city Too Busy to

2773
03:04:08,080 --> 03:04:12,920
Speaker 1: Hate everywhere on on murals, posters, and t shirts. It's

2774
03:04:12,959 --> 03:04:17,240
Speaker 1: become part of Atlanta's identity, or at least Atlanta tries

2775
03:04:17,320 --> 03:04:21,400
Speaker 1: to tell itself that within the slogan lies this admission

2776
03:04:21,480 --> 03:04:25,440
Speaker 1: of the belief that racism and oppression can be beaten

2777
03:04:25,600 --> 03:04:30,360
Speaker 1: by hyper capitalism, meaning the first and foremost goal of

2778
03:04:30,440 --> 03:04:35,880
Speaker 1: the city is economic progress. Equality and racial justice must

2779
03:04:36,000 --> 03:04:39,279
Speaker 1: take a back seat because the city is just too busy.

2780
03:04:40,360 --> 03:04:43,000
Speaker 1: There's a few better examples of this in action than

2781
03:04:43,440 --> 03:04:47,360
Speaker 1: the black neighborhoods that were demolished to build infrastructure for

2782
03:04:47,440 --> 03:04:52,560
Speaker 1: the Olympics and later the Mercedes Benz Stadium. Since then,

2783
03:04:52,760 --> 03:04:55,640
Speaker 1: the belt Line's original vision of public transit to green

2784
03:04:55,720 --> 03:04:59,480
Speaker 1: space and affordable housing has been abandoned in favor of

2785
03:04:59,560 --> 03:05:05,320
Speaker 1: developing luxury apartments and gentrified retail joints. As Fouko's Boomerang

2786
03:05:05,480 --> 03:05:09,800
Speaker 1: brings the internal colonization of the gentrification and increasing police

2787
03:05:09,800 --> 03:05:13,120
Speaker 1: and militarization to Atlanta, it only makes sense that cops

2788
03:05:13,200 --> 03:05:15,720
Speaker 1: city and the battle to stop it is happening here.

2789
03:05:16,400 --> 03:05:19,440
Speaker 1: Towart died two days right after Martin Luther Catteck Junior

2790
03:05:19,520 --> 03:05:23,120
Speaker 1: Memorial Day. We're in Atlanta. There's this whole section of

2791
03:05:23,160 --> 03:05:25,720
Speaker 1: the Delta Airport in Atlanta dedicated to John Lewis you

2792
03:05:25,760 --> 03:05:27,800
Speaker 1: can hear his voice on a loop saying good trouble,

2793
03:05:28,320 --> 03:05:30,600
Speaker 1: And yet as soon as the festivities are over, as

2794
03:05:30,640 --> 03:05:33,199
Speaker 1: soon as the fundraising is over, when someone is shot

2795
03:05:33,480 --> 03:05:36,240
Speaker 1: resisting the state and a peaceful, non violent direct action,

2796
03:05:36,280 --> 03:05:39,640
Speaker 1: they're labeled a terrorist. I don't understand how someone can

2797
03:05:39,680 --> 03:05:42,480
Speaker 1: possibly reconcile those two things. They seem to me to

2798
03:05:42,520 --> 03:05:46,680
Speaker 1: be grotesque. I mean, it's it's disgusting, but I don't

2799
03:05:46,720 --> 03:05:50,640
Speaker 1: see that reflected in any mainstream narrative. Noah talked with

2800
03:05:50,760 --> 03:05:53,320
Speaker 1: me about how he first got involved in the Stop

2801
03:05:53,400 --> 03:05:59,160
Speaker 1: Cops City movement. In my introduction to Cops is starting

2802
03:05:59,160 --> 03:06:01,360
Speaker 1: where much people shou and it landed when it got

2803
03:06:01,440 --> 03:06:03,320
Speaker 1: first leaked that this was a thing that the city

2804
03:06:03,400 --> 03:06:06,680
Speaker 1: was planning. Um, I remember having just a very like,

2805
03:06:06,840 --> 03:06:10,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, what the fuck like reaction to realizing, like,

2806
03:06:10,879 --> 03:06:14,840
Speaker 1: they want to destroy the largest urban canopy in the

2807
03:06:14,959 --> 03:06:17,880
Speaker 1: country to build a big fake city for them to

2808
03:06:17,920 --> 03:06:24,080
Speaker 1: practice doing urban combat, and that's like parity dysturbian. And

2809
03:06:24,360 --> 03:06:28,680
Speaker 1: very quickly people were organizing in various different ways to

2810
03:06:29,800 --> 03:06:32,000
Speaker 1: to stop them, to to make their voices heard that

2811
03:06:32,080 --> 03:06:33,880
Speaker 1: this was not something that it ran on was okay with,

2812
03:06:34,000 --> 03:06:35,680
Speaker 1: This is not something we were okay with having in

2813
03:06:35,720 --> 03:06:39,320
Speaker 1: our communities. It is not something that anybody wanted. That

2814
03:06:39,440 --> 03:06:41,720
Speaker 1: took a lot of different fronts. For me. I mean

2815
03:06:41,840 --> 03:06:46,480
Speaker 1: that went from working, whether that be on the streets too,

2816
03:06:47,240 --> 03:06:51,480
Speaker 1: just doing food destroys and medical trainings too, you know,

2817
03:06:51,879 --> 03:06:54,720
Speaker 1: scampering around the woods with my friends like that took

2818
03:06:54,879 --> 03:06:59,560
Speaker 1: many different forms, just as forms of resistance to UM

2819
03:07:00,640 --> 03:07:03,720
Speaker 1: and over time that has changed and evolved. But I

2820
03:07:03,800 --> 03:07:07,440
Speaker 1: still think of something that working on a different French

2821
03:07:07,600 --> 03:07:15,480
Speaker 1: to be person as possible. The sheer resiliency we've seen

2822
03:07:15,600 --> 03:07:21,680
Speaker 1: in Atlanta post has been incredibly impressive and inspiring after

2823
03:07:22,600 --> 03:07:25,040
Speaker 1: the radical communities in a lot of cities dealt with

2824
03:07:25,200 --> 03:07:27,840
Speaker 1: pretty extreme burnout to due to such a grueling summer,

2825
03:07:28,640 --> 03:07:32,040
Speaker 1: and ever since then, people seem to be recovering and

2826
03:07:32,320 --> 03:07:38,080
Speaker 1: anticipating the next cycle of mass uprising. As news spread

2827
03:07:38,160 --> 03:07:42,560
Speaker 1: of Memphis police's brutal beating of Tyree Nichols, which resulted

2828
03:07:42,640 --> 03:07:46,200
Speaker 1: in his death, there was renewed discussion if it was

2829
03:07:46,240 --> 03:07:51,200
Speaker 1: going to spark the quote unquote next. But Atlanta is

2830
03:07:51,320 --> 03:07:55,280
Speaker 1: one of the few cities where things really haven't halted.

2831
03:07:55,480 --> 03:07:59,840
Speaker 1: Since Defend the Four, stuff has been going pretty hard

2832
03:08:00,000 --> 03:08:05,439
Speaker 1: ever since, like UM and it's been a very compressive

2833
03:08:05,480 --> 03:08:08,280
Speaker 1: amount of resiliency. Can you kind of talk on that

2834
03:08:08,640 --> 03:08:12,880
Speaker 1: aspect of how people have been able to do that? Yeah,

2835
03:08:12,959 --> 03:08:16,440
Speaker 1: I think it comes down to having a really good

2836
03:08:16,560 --> 03:08:19,440
Speaker 1: support network of people, of people who are willing to

2837
03:08:20,800 --> 03:08:27,440
Speaker 1: um be, support activists who are jail, support activists medically

2838
03:08:27,560 --> 03:08:30,840
Speaker 1: and financially, like we're able to make this possible. And

2839
03:08:30,920 --> 03:08:33,440
Speaker 1: it also comes down to that to defend the forest

2840
03:08:33,560 --> 03:08:38,000
Speaker 1: movement is so it is so important to anybody, It

2841
03:08:38,040 --> 03:08:42,200
Speaker 1: should be so important to anybody who looked at as

2842
03:08:42,240 --> 03:08:45,240
Speaker 1: a strike back against police violence what cops it image

2843
03:08:45,440 --> 03:08:48,640
Speaker 1: for all of us is a world in which has

2844
03:08:48,760 --> 03:08:53,960
Speaker 1: much harder to resist police, especially in cities. And for

2845
03:08:54,040 --> 03:08:56,920
Speaker 1: a lot of activists who come out defend the forest

2846
03:08:57,040 --> 03:08:59,760
Speaker 1: became an extension of that fight. It became its own

2847
03:09:00,000 --> 03:09:02,240
Speaker 1: it's on fright to prohect the forest and an extension

2848
03:09:02,320 --> 03:09:04,920
Speaker 1: of the battle against the violence of the state and

2849
03:09:05,000 --> 03:09:07,840
Speaker 1: against the ability of the place to further militarize. And

2850
03:09:07,920 --> 03:09:10,000
Speaker 1: I think that kept a lot of a lot of

2851
03:09:10,040 --> 03:09:14,160
Speaker 1: people going UM but I certainly happens. I mean it is.

2852
03:09:14,959 --> 03:09:17,120
Speaker 1: It can be really exhausting work, It can be really

2853
03:09:17,160 --> 03:09:20,440
Speaker 1: defeating at times, and it's been really important I think

2854
03:09:20,520 --> 03:09:24,400
Speaker 1: for people everywhere and and here to have you know,

2855
03:09:24,680 --> 03:09:28,400
Speaker 1: friends and and things that they can do too decompress

2856
03:09:28,640 --> 03:09:31,560
Speaker 1: and take time off when needed, to stay to keep

2857
03:09:31,600 --> 03:09:34,800
Speaker 1: the ability to keep doing this UM and to not

2858
03:09:35,320 --> 03:09:38,039
Speaker 1: burn out completely, and to be able to keep going

2859
03:09:38,200 --> 03:09:42,720
Speaker 1: against what feels like all adds and terms UM. Also

2860
03:09:42,879 --> 03:09:48,560
Speaker 1: just activists here a pretty faking resilient just I'm continuous

2861
03:09:48,760 --> 03:09:51,200
Speaker 1: or impressed by the people I see just continuing to

2862
03:09:51,280 --> 03:09:55,080
Speaker 1: go out day after day and working behind the scenes

2863
03:09:55,120 --> 03:09:57,360
Speaker 1: doing everything possible to make sure that we can keep going.

2864
03:09:57,879 --> 03:10:01,080
Speaker 1: The solidarity friend has a couple of things today, people's

2865
03:10:01,080 --> 03:10:04,960
Speaker 1: commissaries and the past has done later writing campaigns for

2866
03:10:05,000 --> 03:10:09,520
Speaker 1: a political prisoners across the country, which is certainly like

2867
03:10:09,600 --> 03:10:12,640
Speaker 1: a thing that you know, we're looking at the potential

2868
03:10:12,680 --> 03:10:15,520
Speaker 1: people being held very long term. That's absolutely going to

2869
03:10:15,600 --> 03:10:17,720
Speaker 1: be something in the current weeks that I help people

2870
03:10:18,080 --> 03:10:20,760
Speaker 1: UM spread to the like. Obviously, these people who are

2871
03:10:20,800 --> 03:10:25,120
Speaker 1: incrostrated are supporting every way we can possibly possibly do that.

2872
03:10:26,080 --> 03:10:29,600
Speaker 1: If the people currently incarcerated are granted bond during the

2873
03:10:29,680 --> 03:10:32,720
Speaker 1: appeal process and it's set to the same amount as

2874
03:10:32,760 --> 03:10:35,880
Speaker 1: the last two individuals. That would be three hundred and

2875
03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:39,760
Speaker 1: fifty five thousand dollars per person for at least five

2876
03:10:39,879 --> 03:10:44,800
Speaker 1: more people. That included with like the previous bonding mats

2877
03:10:44,840 --> 03:10:47,040
Speaker 1: that were set for previous rage. I mean, we're approaching

2878
03:10:47,120 --> 03:10:50,879
Speaker 1: three million dollars and potential bonds, which is just designed

2879
03:10:50,920 --> 03:10:53,640
Speaker 1: to drain people are such much as possible and make

2880
03:10:53,720 --> 03:10:58,760
Speaker 1: the idea of protests seem impossible. And again this is

2881
03:10:58,840 --> 03:11:05,160
Speaker 1: just under there attractive perpetuate power fear and making it

2882
03:11:05,400 --> 03:11:09,720
Speaker 1: same as impossible to protestants and making it seem like

2883
03:11:09,800 --> 03:11:11,400
Speaker 1: if you were to be arrested that you would never

2884
03:11:12,160 --> 03:11:18,000
Speaker 1: That's terrifying. That's that's the number one. There have been

2885
03:11:18,040 --> 03:11:21,879
Speaker 1: a few semi distinct stages in the struggle against Cops City.

2886
03:11:22,440 --> 03:11:26,040
Speaker 1: In summer, the initial stage was trying to get the

2887
03:11:26,080 --> 03:11:29,080
Speaker 1: city council to vote no on the project. There was

2888
03:11:29,080 --> 03:11:34,040
Speaker 1: a lot of canvassing, calling representatives, involvement from large above

2889
03:11:34,080 --> 03:11:37,280
Speaker 1: ground organizations like the d s A and Sunrise, you know,

2890
03:11:37,440 --> 03:11:40,960
Speaker 1: people trying to quote unquote campaign the right way to

2891
03:11:41,080 --> 03:11:45,080
Speaker 1: get the project shut down before even started. And then

2892
03:11:45,480 --> 03:11:48,560
Speaker 1: even despite seventy of the local people who called in

2893
03:11:49,200 --> 03:11:53,560
Speaker 1: not wanting this, the city council voted for it anyway,

2894
03:11:54,520 --> 03:11:57,600
Speaker 1: and then starting two months after the vote, and for

2895
03:11:58,000 --> 03:12:02,080
Speaker 1: over a year now, we've had this forest occupation or

2896
03:12:02,400 --> 03:12:06,640
Speaker 1: encampment stage. People going into the woods and having their

2897
03:12:06,720 --> 03:12:12,840
Speaker 1: continuous physical presence there itself be a deterrent for construction. Concurrently,

2898
03:12:12,920 --> 03:12:16,119
Speaker 1: there have been random acts of sabotage, with construction equipment

2899
03:12:16,240 --> 03:12:21,920
Speaker 1: spontaneously bursting into flames, alongside pressure campaigns targeting subcontractors and

2900
03:12:22,240 --> 03:12:26,600
Speaker 1: cops city investors. With the past few police raids having

2901
03:12:26,640 --> 03:12:30,080
Speaker 1: been increasingly violent and the last one resulting in the

2902
03:12:30,160 --> 03:12:33,040
Speaker 1: death of a force defender, I asked the people I

2903
03:12:33,080 --> 03:12:36,720
Speaker 1: spoke with if they saw any forthcoming new stage of

2904
03:12:36,840 --> 03:12:40,320
Speaker 1: the movement, considering the cops are trying really hard to

2905
03:12:40,440 --> 03:12:43,200
Speaker 1: make it very dangerous to camp in the woods right now.

2906
03:12:44,320 --> 03:12:46,880
Speaker 1: What's your sense from on the ground, how stuff might

2907
03:12:47,000 --> 03:12:50,840
Speaker 1: you know with these increasing charges increasing, with bail phones,

2908
03:12:51,879 --> 03:12:54,200
Speaker 1: increasing use of forth what's some kind of ways that

2909
03:12:54,280 --> 03:12:57,480
Speaker 1: you field stuff might start changing on the ground, Like

2910
03:12:57,600 --> 03:12:59,880
Speaker 1: do you like, do you think the encampment that I

2911
03:13:00,120 --> 03:13:02,320
Speaker 1: were content will continue or will it kind of evolve

2912
03:13:02,360 --> 03:13:06,560
Speaker 1: in a new kind of unexpected direction. It remains to

2913
03:13:06,600 --> 03:13:09,640
Speaker 1: be seen how um the approach to living in the

2914
03:13:09,680 --> 03:13:13,560
Speaker 1: woods will adapt to these changes. Um. The decap County

2915
03:13:13,600 --> 03:13:17,280
Speaker 1: Police Department has claimed that they're going to increase their

2916
03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:21,120
Speaker 1: surveillance and patrol of the neighborhood that the Woods is in.

2917
03:13:22,520 --> 03:13:25,760
Speaker 1: It remains to be seen what that will mean for

2918
03:13:25,800 --> 03:13:27,880
Speaker 1: the encampment and how active they're going to be in,

2919
03:13:29,160 --> 03:13:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, repressing people in a day to day sort

2920
03:13:32,040 --> 03:13:35,920
Speaker 1: of thing. And also I think one change is reconsidering

2921
03:13:36,160 --> 03:13:39,400
Speaker 1: what on the ground means and what the bounds of

2922
03:13:39,480 --> 03:13:43,000
Speaker 1: the forest are. There's more woods that black Hall plans

2923
03:13:43,040 --> 03:13:47,360
Speaker 1: to develop on nearby, so reconsidering what on the ground

2924
03:13:47,560 --> 03:13:51,280
Speaker 1: is you know, brass field and gory construction sites could

2925
03:13:51,360 --> 03:13:54,560
Speaker 1: be considered and on the ground site you know, for actions,

2926
03:13:54,920 --> 03:13:57,600
Speaker 1: and you know, I think there's a lot of room

2927
03:13:57,680 --> 03:14:01,160
Speaker 1: to grow in that direction as well. Like do you

2928
03:14:01,240 --> 03:14:04,600
Speaker 1: see this moment as like a substantial turning point? I

2929
03:14:04,640 --> 03:14:06,560
Speaker 1: think so. I mean, I don't think it couldn't be

2930
03:14:06,600 --> 03:14:10,560
Speaker 1: a turning point. Um. I think that every every escalation

2931
03:14:10,640 --> 03:14:13,320
Speaker 1: of violence that this happened has been perpetrated by law enforcement.

2932
03:14:13,400 --> 03:14:15,600
Speaker 1: There's never been a moment in which the people combating

2933
03:14:15,640 --> 03:14:19,080
Speaker 1: law enforcement have been the ones to escalate the violence,

2934
03:14:19,840 --> 03:14:24,720
Speaker 1: and I think that this marks a willingness of the

2935
03:14:25,800 --> 03:14:27,880
Speaker 1: government here in the city government, that this is the

2936
03:14:27,959 --> 03:14:29,840
Speaker 1: hill that they're willing to die on. This is where

2937
03:14:29,840 --> 03:14:33,680
Speaker 1: they're willing to stand their ground and where they are

2938
03:14:34,320 --> 03:14:36,680
Speaker 1: proven to us that they are are committed and so

2939
03:14:36,840 --> 03:14:39,000
Speaker 1: committed to the idea of building cops city that they

2940
03:14:39,040 --> 03:14:41,920
Speaker 1: are willing to kill people. And I think that that

2941
03:14:42,120 --> 03:14:46,040
Speaker 1: is a turning point and how we as a movement

2942
03:14:46,120 --> 03:14:48,360
Speaker 1: have to be willing to respond to the state, and

2943
03:14:48,440 --> 03:14:51,240
Speaker 1: how we have to be willing to look at them

2944
03:14:51,320 --> 03:14:54,800
Speaker 1: not just as this entity that we are facing down

2945
03:14:54,959 --> 03:14:58,080
Speaker 1: like in like the courts and doing fun blacks, because

2946
03:14:58,120 --> 03:15:00,080
Speaker 1: that clearly doesn't work. They are just going to to

2947
03:15:00,200 --> 03:15:03,840
Speaker 1: murder us, but as a force that is a you know,

2948
03:15:03,920 --> 03:15:07,040
Speaker 1: like offensive militarised force coming after us. I think that

2949
03:15:07,240 --> 03:15:11,480
Speaker 1: is a that it marks a really big to shift

2950
03:15:11,640 --> 03:15:14,440
Speaker 1: in overallly looking at what the city government here is

2951
03:15:14,480 --> 03:15:16,640
Speaker 1: willing to do to get this done. And I think

2952
03:15:16,680 --> 03:15:19,360
Speaker 1: that a variety of tactics will always being play. People

2953
03:15:19,360 --> 03:15:21,119
Speaker 1: are always going to have different ways that they feel

2954
03:15:21,160 --> 03:15:25,400
Speaker 1: comfortable and and safe and responding. But I do think

2955
03:15:25,520 --> 03:15:31,400
Speaker 1: that I think what we saw on Saturday was a

2956
03:15:32,800 --> 03:15:35,480
Speaker 1: with a response to that that that people showed up

2957
03:15:35,520 --> 03:15:39,040
Speaker 1: and they made it very clear that we were not

2958
03:15:39,160 --> 03:15:41,560
Speaker 1: going to take this lying down, that people aren't going

2959
03:15:41,640 --> 03:15:44,640
Speaker 1: to be willing to let the state going answered, and

2960
03:15:44,720 --> 03:15:46,600
Speaker 1: that they don't gonna let the police going answered for

2961
03:15:46,680 --> 03:15:50,240
Speaker 1: this acts. And I think from from now on and

2962
03:15:50,320 --> 03:15:53,960
Speaker 1: going forward, I think we will. I think I hope

2963
03:15:53,959 --> 03:15:56,080
Speaker 1: at least that we see more and more people taking

2964
03:15:56,160 --> 03:15:59,680
Speaker 1: up acts of physical resistance to law enforcement, to the

2965
03:15:59,760 --> 03:16:03,800
Speaker 1: state to prevent them from building city and prevent them

2966
03:16:03,840 --> 03:16:08,520
Speaker 1: from preventing further action violence. So far, the forced occupation

2967
03:16:08,600 --> 03:16:11,760
Speaker 1: has proved effective in delaying the construction of Cops City.

2968
03:16:12,520 --> 03:16:16,320
Speaker 1: In the past, barricades have inhibited the movement of construction equipment,

2969
03:16:16,879 --> 03:16:20,520
Speaker 1: Machinery left in the woods has been sabotaged, and during

2970
03:16:20,560 --> 03:16:23,760
Speaker 1: attempts to fell trees, force defenders have put their own

2971
03:16:23,800 --> 03:16:26,080
Speaker 1: bodies on the line by climbing into the tree tops

2972
03:16:26,120 --> 03:16:29,680
Speaker 1: to prevent them from being cut down. Other prongs of

2973
03:16:29,720 --> 03:16:34,520
Speaker 1: the movement have similarly produced successes. Pressure campaigns focused on

2974
03:16:34,640 --> 03:16:37,800
Speaker 1: getting contractors and businesses to divest or pull out of

2975
03:16:37,840 --> 03:16:41,600
Speaker 1: the project resulted last April in a Reeves Young Construction,

2976
03:16:41,760 --> 03:16:45,000
Speaker 1: The initial contractor for Cops City, severing ties with the

2977
03:16:45,080 --> 03:16:49,640
Speaker 1: project after months of pressure, and just this month, Quality

2978
03:16:49,720 --> 03:16:52,600
Speaker 1: Glass Company announced that they would not be working on

2979
03:16:52,680 --> 03:16:55,480
Speaker 1: Cops City, as well as no longer doing business with

2980
03:16:55,560 --> 03:16:58,840
Speaker 1: brass Field and Gory, the current contractor for the facility.

2981
03:17:00,240 --> 03:17:04,600
Speaker 1: These pussure campaigns can include protests at company offices, phone

2982
03:17:04,640 --> 03:17:08,560
Speaker 1: calls imploring them to drop the contract, or actions more

2983
03:17:08,600 --> 03:17:11,760
Speaker 1: along the lines of vandalism at job sites, or visits

2984
03:17:11,840 --> 03:17:16,200
Speaker 1: to the neighborhoods of company executives, even to simply drop

2985
03:17:16,280 --> 03:17:19,320
Speaker 1: off flyers or banners. I don't think this was ever

2986
03:17:19,440 --> 03:17:21,760
Speaker 1: a fright that we're gonna win. On one front um

2987
03:17:22,240 --> 03:17:24,080
Speaker 1: the amount of people that we were able to put

2988
03:17:24,120 --> 03:17:26,320
Speaker 1: in the in Cameron, the forest was really beautiful to see,

2989
03:17:26,440 --> 03:17:28,720
Speaker 1: but the state was always going to be able to

2990
03:17:29,000 --> 03:17:31,760
Speaker 1: put out enough manpower to shut that down. This is

2991
03:17:31,840 --> 03:17:36,280
Speaker 1: a battle that we ran on multiple friends, and that

2992
03:17:36,480 --> 03:17:41,320
Speaker 1: includes you know, that includes having conclude having physical presence

2993
03:17:41,320 --> 03:17:44,040
Speaker 1: in the forest and preventing machinery from permanent but that

2994
03:17:44,120 --> 03:17:50,560
Speaker 1: also includes acts of sabotage, making sure that contractors who

2995
03:17:50,560 --> 03:17:52,400
Speaker 1: are signed on the Cops that they do not feel

2996
03:17:52,440 --> 03:17:55,400
Speaker 1: comfortable and do not feel safe signing on against project

2997
03:17:55,480 --> 03:17:59,000
Speaker 1: and making this economically impossible for the city to continue doing.

2998
03:18:00,080 --> 03:18:04,280
Speaker 1: As far as being like a new strategy, I don't

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03:18:04,320 --> 03:18:11,560
Speaker 1: know if it would be spously combushed and judge things,

3000
03:18:11,680 --> 03:18:14,920
Speaker 1: but I do think this marks are a point and

3001
03:18:15,040 --> 03:18:21,040
Speaker 1: potentially like the frequency of things happening and necessary, I

3002
03:18:21,120 --> 03:18:24,760
Speaker 1: think evaluating of where we are now and thinking realistically

3003
03:18:24,760 --> 03:18:27,560
Speaker 1: about what our next step shout to make this an

3004
03:18:27,640 --> 03:18:31,920
Speaker 1: untenable situation for this idy to continue past well. One

3005
03:18:31,959 --> 03:18:35,840
Speaker 1: evolution that I see happening is a consensus amongst long

3006
03:18:35,959 --> 03:18:40,080
Speaker 1: term organizers in Atlanta that we want as many people

3007
03:18:40,200 --> 03:18:44,040
Speaker 1: coming here to participate as possible, and also that I

3008
03:18:44,160 --> 03:18:46,560
Speaker 1: think one change is being less picky in who we

3009
03:18:46,680 --> 03:18:51,200
Speaker 1: invite to participate and encouraging like liberals and moderates to

3010
03:18:51,879 --> 03:18:54,400
Speaker 1: be a part of this. They've always been a part

3011
03:18:54,440 --> 03:18:58,920
Speaker 1: of it, but really um emphasizing that side of the

3012
03:18:59,000 --> 03:19:02,840
Speaker 1: movement more. Back in the Defend the Atlanta Forest episodes

3013
03:19:03,000 --> 03:19:06,800
Speaker 1: from last May, I talked about the Shack model, the

3014
03:19:06,879 --> 03:19:11,040
Speaker 1: aim of which is to make construction economically untenable by

3015
03:19:11,120 --> 03:19:15,160
Speaker 1: maintaining a presence in the forest, sabotaging work, and targeting

3016
03:19:15,200 --> 03:19:20,160
Speaker 1: specific subcontractors locally and elsewhere. In addition to contractors, corporate

3017
03:19:20,200 --> 03:19:23,480
Speaker 1: funders affiliated with the APF can also be targeted to

3018
03:19:23,600 --> 03:19:29,480
Speaker 1: distincentivize affiliation with the project. Solidarity actions targeting Atlantic Police

3019
03:19:29,480 --> 03:19:34,360
Speaker 1: Foundation contributors have been happening nationwide. As mentioned at the

3020
03:19:34,440 --> 03:19:37,320
Speaker 1: top of the episode, A Week of Solidarity is coming

3021
03:19:37,400 --> 03:19:41,160
Speaker 1: up on February and Stop Cop City Solidarity dot org

3022
03:19:41,280 --> 03:19:45,600
Speaker 1: has many resources. In the past, actions have included everything

3023
03:19:45,720 --> 03:19:51,640
Speaker 1: from office protests, divestment campaigns, vandalism, and actions by workers

3024
03:19:51,720 --> 03:19:55,440
Speaker 1: within these companies to pressure them into cutting ties. No

3025
03:19:55,600 --> 03:20:00,440
Speaker 1: action is too small or too ambitious. In an palysis

3026
03:20:00,600 --> 03:20:04,440
Speaker 1: on tactics published recently on its going down, said this

3027
03:20:04,879 --> 03:20:10,800
Speaker 1: regarding the targeting of Cops City investors. Quote In other campaigns,

3028
03:20:11,040 --> 03:20:14,480
Speaker 1: banks like Wells Fargo have been forced to divest from

3029
03:20:14,560 --> 03:20:19,160
Speaker 1: police and prison expansion, but these efforts often take years

3030
03:20:19,360 --> 03:20:24,440
Speaker 1: and lots of resources. Atlanta Police Foundation supporters like public universities,

3031
03:20:24,800 --> 03:20:28,760
Speaker 1: Georgia State University, Georgia Tech, or Emery University could be

3032
03:20:29,080 --> 03:20:33,879
Speaker 1: lower hanging fruit. Comrades should identify which Cops City funders

3033
03:20:33,959 --> 03:20:37,800
Speaker 1: are most vulnerable to pressure, where potential allies like student

3034
03:20:37,840 --> 03:20:40,960
Speaker 1: groups and unions are positioned and share this info and

3035
03:20:41,080 --> 03:20:45,920
Speaker 1: synchronize actions. Unquote. Bureaucratic red tape can also be effective

3036
03:20:46,000 --> 03:20:50,160
Speaker 1: in delaying progress. Ongoing zoning appeals could result in an

3037
03:20:50,200 --> 03:20:54,039
Speaker 1: official stock work order, but it remains unseen if such

3038
03:20:54,040 --> 03:20:57,640
Speaker 1: an order will even be followed, as currently laws around

3039
03:20:57,920 --> 03:21:02,360
Speaker 1: zoning appeals are being ignored by the contractors and the

3040
03:21:02,400 --> 03:21:07,000
Speaker 1: Atlanta Police Foundation. Tortu Guita had spoken of a theory

3041
03:21:07,040 --> 03:21:11,720
Speaker 1: of THEIRS concerning the potential for intense police repression and

3042
03:21:11,840 --> 03:21:16,320
Speaker 1: how the aftermath of that might play out. Quote. They

3043
03:21:16,400 --> 03:21:19,520
Speaker 1: could come in and completely destroy the place, raise it,

3044
03:21:20,320 --> 03:21:25,160
Speaker 1: arrest everybody they could find, kill anybody who resists arrest.

3045
03:21:26,080 --> 03:21:29,480
Speaker 1: They could do that, and then days later there would

3046
03:21:29,480 --> 03:21:32,840
Speaker 1: be a shipload of people back here. For every head

3047
03:21:32,879 --> 03:21:35,200
Speaker 1: they cut off, there would be more who would come

3048
03:21:35,320 --> 03:21:40,039
Speaker 1: back to avenge the arrested, to avenge the tort did

3049
03:21:40,120 --> 03:21:44,400
Speaker 1: not finish that sentence, but resuming, what I'm saying is

3050
03:21:45,120 --> 03:21:47,720
Speaker 1: if they do a huge crackdown and completely try to

3051
03:21:47,800 --> 03:21:51,600
Speaker 1: crush the movement, they'll succeed at hurting some people, they'll

3052
03:21:51,640 --> 03:21:54,600
Speaker 1: succeed at destroying some infrastructure, but they're not going to

3053
03:21:54,680 --> 03:21:58,199
Speaker 1: succeed at stopping the movement. That's just going to strengthen

3054
03:21:58,280 --> 03:22:01,119
Speaker 1: the movement. It will draw a of attention to the movement.

3055
03:22:01,680 --> 03:22:05,119
Speaker 1: If enough people decide to do this with non violent action,

3056
03:22:05,680 --> 03:22:09,119
Speaker 1: you can overwhelm the infrastructure of the state. That's something

3057
03:22:09,360 --> 03:22:12,879
Speaker 1: they fear more than violence in the streets, because violence

3058
03:22:12,920 --> 03:22:15,400
Speaker 1: in the streets they'll win. They have the guns for it.

3059
03:22:16,000 --> 03:22:22,360
Speaker 1: We don't unquote. No matter how the movement continues, the

3060
03:22:22,480 --> 03:22:25,760
Speaker 1: weight of torts absence will be felt as long as

3061
03:22:25,879 --> 03:22:29,560
Speaker 1: this fight carries on. It's such a huge loss. Um.

3062
03:22:29,640 --> 03:22:31,600
Speaker 1: But as we as we keep thinking about you know,

3063
03:22:32,080 --> 03:22:36,080
Speaker 1: w W t D, what would TORT do. It's continue

3064
03:22:36,120 --> 03:22:38,800
Speaker 1: to support those projects. It's continue to uplift the spaces

3065
03:22:38,840 --> 03:22:41,080
Speaker 1: and groups that are supporting the most vulnerable amongst us

3066
03:22:41,120 --> 03:22:44,600
Speaker 1: and uplifting their voices, uplifting their safety. And they're going

3067
03:22:44,680 --> 03:22:47,879
Speaker 1: to continue to be trainings offered, training specifically for folks

3068
03:22:47,879 --> 03:22:50,480
Speaker 1: who are marginalized and afraid of gun violence and want

3069
03:22:50,560 --> 03:22:52,240
Speaker 1: to know how to be able to protect themselves and

3070
03:22:52,280 --> 03:22:55,560
Speaker 1: protect their friends. This came about specifically in the wake

3071
03:22:55,640 --> 03:22:58,680
Speaker 1: of the shooting at the gay bar Um I guess

3072
03:22:58,920 --> 03:23:02,400
Speaker 1: a few months ago now, Jesus, and that was something

3073
03:23:02,480 --> 03:23:05,560
Speaker 1: that Toward was helping to organize. So yeah, we're gonna

3074
03:23:06,160 --> 03:23:08,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep doing that work. How do you think

3075
03:23:09,080 --> 03:23:14,200
Speaker 1: like a continue on without without towards there? Now? Um,

3076
03:23:14,800 --> 03:23:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think they set me up the hardest

3077
03:23:18,640 --> 03:23:22,120
Speaker 1: thing to navigate, Like, Okay, what can I do? Where

3078
03:23:22,160 --> 03:23:25,840
Speaker 1: can I fit in? Like I'm shorter, you know, living

3079
03:23:25,879 --> 03:23:30,720
Speaker 1: in the forest, And I think with just like the canvassing,

3080
03:23:30,959 --> 03:23:32,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I've really figured out the ways I

3081
03:23:33,080 --> 03:23:36,320
Speaker 1: can you know, my place in it enough to keep

3082
03:23:36,320 --> 03:23:39,400
Speaker 1: me busy. It was towards kind of very instrumental to

3083
03:23:39,480 --> 03:23:42,480
Speaker 1: having you help figure out like your role in this.

3084
03:23:43,480 --> 03:23:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, I would just like spitball, you know,

3085
03:23:47,520 --> 03:23:49,800
Speaker 1: an idea, and they'd be like, yeah, you should do that.

3086
03:23:51,040 --> 03:23:54,560
Speaker 1: Um we were like yeah, that'd be sick. And that

3087
03:23:54,720 --> 03:23:58,080
Speaker 1: gave me the confidence to be like okay. And also

3088
03:23:58,200 --> 03:24:00,800
Speaker 1: like I think this movement is into sting because it's

3089
03:24:00,840 --> 03:24:04,200
Speaker 1: totally different from any other organization or anything I've done

3090
03:24:04,320 --> 03:24:07,400
Speaker 1: in that like if you want to volunteer in any

3091
03:24:07,440 --> 03:24:09,840
Speaker 1: other thing, like you know, you make a graphic and

3092
03:24:10,040 --> 03:24:12,480
Speaker 1: you check it and you send it to someone and

3093
03:24:13,320 --> 03:24:16,440
Speaker 1: get it approved, you know, And just like the kind

3094
03:24:16,480 --> 03:24:20,000
Speaker 1: of deconstructing that thinking was like I mean to. It

3095
03:24:20,080 --> 03:24:23,920
Speaker 1: was really instrumental in that and it can be like

3096
03:24:24,080 --> 03:24:27,480
Speaker 1: difficult to navigate, but really just walking all that back

3097
03:24:27,560 --> 03:24:29,320
Speaker 1: and being like if you want to, like you know,

3098
03:24:29,680 --> 03:24:33,320
Speaker 1: canvass your neighbors like you just do it. The Stop

3099
03:24:33,400 --> 03:24:36,560
Speaker 1: Cops City movement has called for a fifth Week of

3100
03:24:36,680 --> 03:24:41,439
Speaker 1: Action to be held on March fourth through March eleventh

3101
03:24:41,680 --> 03:24:45,760
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia. They are asking all those opposed to

3102
03:24:45,840 --> 03:24:48,879
Speaker 1: Cops City to come participate in a variety of events

3103
03:24:48,920 --> 03:24:51,920
Speaker 1: and actions both in and out of the forest. And

3104
03:24:52,040 --> 03:24:55,879
Speaker 1: if you're able to bring a tent, if you're unable

3105
03:24:55,920 --> 03:24:59,000
Speaker 1: to travel, there's still calls to support people in your

3106
03:24:59,040 --> 03:25:02,240
Speaker 1: own community who might be able to do so. This

3107
03:25:02,560 --> 03:25:04,720
Speaker 1: Week of Action will be a key moment in the

3108
03:25:04,800 --> 03:25:08,080
Speaker 1: next phase of the fight to defend the forest. I

3109
03:25:08,160 --> 03:25:10,600
Speaker 1: want people to know that being in the woods, even

3110
03:25:10,640 --> 03:25:12,920
Speaker 1: if just for a few days, will transform you and

3111
03:25:13,560 --> 03:25:17,879
Speaker 1: unexpected and delightful ways. And that's something that we witnessed

3112
03:25:17,920 --> 03:25:21,000
Speaker 1: with Towart Toart lived in the woods for less than

3113
03:25:21,040 --> 03:25:25,160
Speaker 1: a year, and they transformed and blossomed into their purpose

3114
03:25:25,400 --> 03:25:30,000
Speaker 1: in unexpected and beautiful ways. And so if you have

3115
03:25:30,120 --> 03:25:32,680
Speaker 1: the opportunity to come and spend any amount of time

3116
03:25:32,720 --> 03:25:35,440
Speaker 1: in these woods. I encourage you to do so because

3117
03:25:36,200 --> 03:25:38,600
Speaker 1: I think that you'll find that it will nourish you

3118
03:25:38,720 --> 03:25:42,600
Speaker 1: and aid in your growth as a human. The police

3119
03:25:42,720 --> 03:25:47,480
Speaker 1: have not succeeded in scaring everybody out of the forest. Well, Lonnie.

3120
03:25:47,520 --> 03:25:50,600
Speaker 1: People's Park is still legally required to operate as a

3121
03:25:50,640 --> 03:25:55,080
Speaker 1: public park. Last month I saw regular people jogging the trails.

3122
03:25:55,400 --> 03:25:59,000
Speaker 1: People still come every day. The movement has only grown

3123
03:25:59,200 --> 03:26:02,640
Speaker 1: despite the rep Russian and now forced Defenders in Atlanta

3124
03:26:02,720 --> 03:26:07,359
Speaker 1: are urging people everywhere to organize for the upcoming mass convergence.

3125
03:26:08,600 --> 03:26:12,120
Speaker 1: A large list of resources and movement websites I'll be

3126
03:26:12,240 --> 03:26:15,160
Speaker 1: putting in the description for people to learn more and

3127
03:26:15,360 --> 03:26:18,360
Speaker 1: stay up to date with information regarding the Week of action.

3128
03:26:19,160 --> 03:26:22,680
Speaker 1: I'll end this series by reading from a defend the

3129
03:26:22,760 --> 03:26:27,480
Speaker 1: Forest poster that I saw around Atlanta. Quote, it is

3130
03:26:27,600 --> 03:26:30,600
Speaker 1: your mission to stop cops city by all of the

3131
03:26:30,760 --> 03:26:36,400
Speaker 1: means at your disposal, without hesitation. Defend the forest from destruction,

3132
03:26:36,920 --> 03:26:41,800
Speaker 1: the city from commercialization, the future from ruin, the imagination

3133
03:26:42,000 --> 03:26:46,640
Speaker 1: from conquest, and the heart from resignation. Do not wait

3134
03:26:46,760 --> 03:26:53,240
Speaker 1: for further instruction. Reality is the battlefield. The rain on

3135
03:26:53,360 --> 03:26:56,520
Speaker 1: leaves signle lift earliest, the vegetum midst the melody we

3136
03:26:56,680 --> 03:26:59,600
Speaker 1: mimic in is the sound wind whistling long before to

3137
03:26:59,680 --> 03:27:03,240
Speaker 1: say his channing under the stars. On camped under organic pie,

3138
03:27:03,320 --> 03:27:06,560
Speaker 1: she sang a song, and she was far silent. No

3139
03:27:06,760 --> 03:27:09,240
Speaker 1: virus and violets, but the fragrance of her flowers, and

3140
03:27:09,320 --> 03:27:13,120
Speaker 1: continued to invite us the medicine materials of vitamins and

3141
03:27:13,200 --> 03:27:15,920
Speaker 1: minerals and all that is essential, which just grew right

3142
03:27:16,000 --> 03:27:18,680
Speaker 1: beside us. And Tyson started fighting with the gifts that

3143
03:27:18,800 --> 03:27:21,680
Speaker 1: she provided us, scorching the very soil that all of

3144
03:27:21,800 --> 03:27:25,440
Speaker 1: us derived from. And when empires learning came withstand by you,

3145
03:27:25,720 --> 03:27:28,800
Speaker 1: we returned to the land where our ancestors rain dance.

3146
03:27:28,959 --> 03:27:32,000
Speaker 1: We are all her creatures, we still bear her features. Then,

3147
03:27:32,080 --> 03:27:35,000
Speaker 1: one and only reason all living things is breathing the

3148
03:27:35,080 --> 03:27:38,480
Speaker 1: city's deceive and lead. Go see the dirt, young gonna

3149
03:27:38,480 --> 03:28:00,680
Speaker 1: be among the lungs of mother Earth. Cuse, yeah, yeah, down,

3150
03:28:05,280 --> 03:28:17,840
Speaker 1: Let's shop him down. There was a forest. God, fucking

3151
03:28:17,959 --> 03:28:20,400
Speaker 1: damn it, I just got another fucking message about the

3152
03:28:20,440 --> 03:28:25,240
Speaker 1: gold ads. Leave me alone, all right? And could happen here?

3153
03:28:25,879 --> 03:28:30,640
Speaker 1: Welcome to it? Could happen here? A podcast about the

3154
03:28:30,800 --> 03:28:35,920
Speaker 1: incredible investment vehicle that is gold. Now, look, people, if

3155
03:28:36,000 --> 03:28:38,520
Speaker 1: you aren't currently putting all of your money into gold,

3156
03:28:38,600 --> 03:28:41,240
Speaker 1: and I mean all of your money, then you're just

3157
03:28:41,480 --> 03:28:45,040
Speaker 1: leaving cash on the table. Gold is such a good

3158
03:28:45,080 --> 03:28:48,680
Speaker 1: investment vehicle that if you had bought ten tho dollars

3159
03:28:48,760 --> 03:28:51,879
Speaker 1: worth of gold twenty years ago, you would have roughly

3160
03:28:51,959 --> 03:28:56,039
Speaker 1: the same amount of money. Can can you beat Can

3161
03:28:56,120 --> 03:29:00,280
Speaker 1: you beat gold? I bet you can't. I've replayed most

3162
03:29:00,320 --> 03:29:01,720
Speaker 1: of my teeth with gold, and I have run in

3163
03:29:01,760 --> 03:29:05,119
Speaker 1: the same amount of teeth. It's a win win. Wow, wow, incredible.

3164
03:29:05,760 --> 03:29:08,560
Speaker 1: Gold is Gold is perfect for a number of reasons. Look,

3165
03:29:08,600 --> 03:29:13,760
Speaker 1: if you're worried about instability, obviously if society collapses, gold

3166
03:29:14,200 --> 03:29:16,200
Speaker 1: is the thing that you want to have, because, of

3167
03:29:16,320 --> 03:29:19,359
Speaker 1: course you'll still be able to trade what is fundamentally

3168
03:29:19,480 --> 03:29:22,680
Speaker 1: a useless rock for goods and services in the event

3169
03:29:22,800 --> 03:29:26,280
Speaker 1: that there's no civilization. That that just makes complete sense.

3170
03:29:26,640 --> 03:29:30,600
Speaker 1: Don't stock up on ammunition, stock up on gold. What

3171
03:29:30,680 --> 03:29:34,720
Speaker 1: about gold immunition? Oh? Now, see, that's what If you

3172
03:29:34,800 --> 03:29:38,600
Speaker 1: want to kill super vampires, that's what you want is

3173
03:29:38,680 --> 03:29:42,080
Speaker 1: gold bullets. You know, there is something like maybe it's

3174
03:29:42,160 --> 03:29:44,560
Speaker 1: like survival of the fittest. I'm allergic to gold, so

3175
03:29:45,120 --> 03:29:46,920
Speaker 1: if I touch it it gives me a rash. So

3176
03:29:47,040 --> 03:29:49,920
Speaker 1: I can't survive in a world of gold. I love

3177
03:29:50,040 --> 03:29:52,760
Speaker 1: you well if you need so, if you need to

3178
03:29:52,840 --> 03:29:55,680
Speaker 1: take out Sharine and the apocalypse, make sure make a

3179
03:29:55,800 --> 03:30:00,920
Speaker 1: gold spear or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just give jewelry. Look,

3180
03:30:01,000 --> 03:30:03,080
Speaker 1: it's it's a good idea. According to one of my friends,

3181
03:30:03,080 --> 03:30:05,560
Speaker 1: who has read much more marks than idea marks, particular

3182
03:30:05,600 --> 03:30:08,800
Speaker 1: that we would go back to the gold standard. So yeah,

3183
03:30:09,640 --> 03:30:13,800
Speaker 1: you're it's gonna be great. The immortal science wins again. Um,

3184
03:30:17,120 --> 03:30:22,320
Speaker 1: this is actually today we are talking about um collapse,

3185
03:30:22,440 --> 03:30:27,480
Speaker 1: but not the collapse of the economy, because the economy

3186
03:30:27,560 --> 03:30:29,880
Speaker 1: is kind of always collapsing. That's part of what makes

3187
03:30:29,920 --> 03:30:32,720
Speaker 1: it the economy. Instead, we're talking about the fact that

3188
03:30:33,360 --> 03:30:36,640
Speaker 1: the market for eggs has gotten insane. People are paying

3189
03:30:36,959 --> 03:30:42,280
Speaker 1: crazy prices for huevos these days. Um, and there's there's

3190
03:30:42,360 --> 03:30:45,720
Speaker 1: no no good reason for it, obviously, Like it's the

3191
03:30:46,360 --> 03:30:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, egg production in some places was like impacted

3192
03:30:49,280 --> 03:30:52,120
Speaker 1: by the bird flu, but that is not why eggs

3193
03:30:52,120 --> 03:30:55,440
Speaker 1: have gotten more expensive. It's pure corporate greed. But regardless

3194
03:30:55,560 --> 03:30:59,000
Speaker 1: of that, people are finding themselves thinking about like, wow,

3195
03:30:59,080 --> 03:31:03,160
Speaker 1: eggs are expensive as hell. Should I maybe get some chickens? Um?

3196
03:31:03,360 --> 03:31:06,519
Speaker 1: And today we have several chicken owners on the podcast,

3197
03:31:06,800 --> 03:31:10,400
Speaker 1: myself and James Stout, and several people who don't have chickens,

3198
03:31:10,879 --> 03:31:18,200
Speaker 1: but our chicken curious. So we're gonna talk about having chickens. James, Yeah, yeah,

3199
03:31:18,240 --> 03:31:19,800
Speaker 1: I do. I've been training for this my whole life.

3200
03:31:19,959 --> 03:31:23,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, this, this was your idea. So yeah, Vince

3201
03:31:23,320 --> 03:31:25,040
Speaker 1: is very much my baby. So if you guys just

3202
03:31:25,080 --> 03:31:28,320
Speaker 1: want to sit back and learn about chickens, your baby

3203
03:31:28,480 --> 03:31:31,840
Speaker 1: James or your egg, well that's the thing. If nar

3204
03:31:32,000 --> 03:31:34,520
Speaker 1: robert one could be the other. I've given enough time.

3205
03:31:34,959 --> 03:31:37,360
Speaker 1: People have talked about this. I've heard. Yeah, it's been

3206
03:31:37,360 --> 03:31:39,760
Speaker 1: a discussion for some time in the chicken community. All right,

3207
03:31:40,520 --> 03:31:43,480
Speaker 1: talking about chickens. Uh. So I want to start out

3208
03:31:43,560 --> 03:31:47,120
Speaker 1: with like, if you're thinking about getting chickens, and I

3209
03:31:47,240 --> 03:31:50,480
Speaker 1: have written a script for this, thank you. Yeah, I'm

3210
03:31:50,480 --> 03:31:52,800
Speaker 1: ready to roll. So the most important thing, obviously when

3211
03:31:52,800 --> 03:31:54,920
Speaker 1: you're getting animals, you're getting any animals, is like that

3212
03:31:55,000 --> 03:31:56,800
Speaker 1: you're responsible for a living thing and you have to

3213
03:31:56,879 --> 03:31:58,760
Speaker 1: take care of it and you have to be kind

3214
03:31:58,800 --> 03:32:01,240
Speaker 1: to it. And you have to treat it well and

3215
03:32:01,320 --> 03:32:02,960
Speaker 1: make sure that if you're not able to look after it,

3216
03:32:03,040 --> 03:32:05,039
Speaker 1: like if you travel a lot for work and someone

3217
03:32:05,120 --> 03:32:09,840
Speaker 1: else can write. I think chickens are particularly useless, or

3218
03:32:09,879 --> 03:32:12,640
Speaker 1: they're useful, and they're very nice, but they're not like

3219
03:32:12,720 --> 03:32:15,360
Speaker 1: the most practical animals, like if you if you leave

3220
03:32:15,360 --> 03:32:17,800
Speaker 1: them alone, they will die. If it gets too hot,

3221
03:32:17,840 --> 03:32:21,000
Speaker 1: they will die, if it gets too cold, they will die. Um, Like,

3222
03:32:21,160 --> 03:32:23,000
Speaker 1: you do have to look after them. They're not like

3223
03:32:23,120 --> 03:32:26,119
Speaker 1: a wild animal that comes in sometimes in lace eggs,

3224
03:32:26,240 --> 03:32:29,560
Speaker 1: like they are an extremely domesticated animal that's been domesticated

3225
03:32:29,640 --> 03:32:34,720
Speaker 1: for probably thousands of years. So it's a responsibility. I guess. Um,

3226
03:32:36,000 --> 03:32:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm gonna go through some of the stuff.

3227
03:32:37,800 --> 03:32:40,600
Speaker 1: If you guys have any questions as we move along,

3228
03:32:40,640 --> 03:32:42,800
Speaker 1: please feel free to ask him. I want to start

3229
03:32:42,800 --> 03:32:45,040
Speaker 1: out with the breeds of chickens, which I think are

3230
03:32:45,040 --> 03:32:47,600
Speaker 1: a good idea. And so when you're looking at chickens,

3231
03:32:47,640 --> 03:32:49,000
Speaker 1: the first thing you're gonna want to look at if

3232
03:32:49,000 --> 03:32:50,640
Speaker 1: your space right, Like how much space do I have?

3233
03:32:50,720 --> 03:32:53,080
Speaker 1: And there are websites where you can calculate like working

3234
03:32:53,160 --> 03:32:55,560
Speaker 1: with your acreage or or how many yards you have.

3235
03:32:55,760 --> 03:32:58,840
Speaker 1: How many chickens are appropriate? Was the level of prepper

3236
03:32:58,879 --> 03:33:03,920
Speaker 1: and the stuff. I'm like, I'm like so happy because

3237
03:33:04,720 --> 03:33:08,360
Speaker 1: I will I will note be be careful about getting

3238
03:33:08,400 --> 03:33:10,480
Speaker 1: too many. When I got the place that I got,

3239
03:33:10,520 --> 03:33:14,480
Speaker 1: I inherited fourteen chickens. And that is a tremendous quantity

3240
03:33:14,520 --> 03:33:19,120
Speaker 1: of chickens. And and there was especially chickens make you know,

3241
03:33:19,879 --> 03:33:22,080
Speaker 1: kind of in their prime. Egg laying can make one.

3242
03:33:22,280 --> 03:33:25,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes some chickens will do to a day. So there

3243
03:33:25,680 --> 03:33:28,320
Speaker 1: were weeks where I was getting like close to a

3244
03:33:28,400 --> 03:33:32,000
Speaker 1: hundred eggs, which is far more, far more eggs than

3245
03:33:32,040 --> 03:33:36,120
Speaker 1: a human being can possibly consume. You can consume, I

3246
03:33:36,160 --> 03:33:42,080
Speaker 1: can consume a hundred eggs. Well, they will, they will

3247
03:33:42,120 --> 03:33:46,960
Speaker 1: consume you. I will mail you eggs always be more eggs.

3248
03:33:47,200 --> 03:33:49,960
Speaker 1: Eggs are like eight. I walked into a grocery store. Okay,

3249
03:33:49,959 --> 03:33:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I'm now doing the bit. I walked

3250
03:33:51,840 --> 03:33:53,680
Speaker 1: through the grocery store in the eggs where eight fifty,

3251
03:33:53,720 --> 03:33:56,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, what the fund is going on here? Man,

3252
03:33:56,560 --> 03:33:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna make a fucking bank. I have

3253
03:33:58,800 --> 03:34:01,920
Speaker 1: like literally sick see eggs sitting in my kitchen. Right now,

3254
03:34:02,160 --> 03:34:03,960
Speaker 1: Robert's going to sell eggs in the dark web. You

3255
03:34:04,080 --> 03:34:07,280
Speaker 1: goddamn right. This is how I fucking leave this this

3256
03:34:07,720 --> 03:34:11,720
Speaker 1: damn podcasting bullshit behind. I'm gonna become the egg man

3257
03:34:11,879 --> 03:34:20,520
Speaker 1: and bitches. Finally, I used for cryptocurrency egg coin. It's

3258
03:34:20,520 --> 03:34:22,640
Speaker 1: actually it's tied to the value of eggs. As you

3259
03:34:24,879 --> 03:34:29,920
Speaker 1: completely collapsed. Um. Yeah, don't don't over chicken yourself like

3260
03:34:29,959 --> 03:34:32,040
Speaker 1: starting out, but also don't get too few. You do

3261
03:34:32,160 --> 03:34:37,400
Speaker 1: want at least three. They'll be sad, they won't get along.

3262
03:34:37,680 --> 03:34:40,280
Speaker 1: And if you if you're like a normal household, three

3263
03:34:40,440 --> 03:34:43,480
Speaker 1: is probably a great number of chickens. Like you, you

3264
03:34:43,520 --> 03:34:47,440
Speaker 1: will probably be quite happy with three to four chickens. Yeah,

3265
03:34:47,480 --> 03:34:49,800
Speaker 1: you'll get like if you estimate like six eggs per

3266
03:34:49,920 --> 03:34:52,280
Speaker 1: chicken per week, it's like a fair kind of estimate.

3267
03:34:53,280 --> 03:34:56,240
Speaker 1: They'll take some time off during the year or with seasons,

3268
03:34:56,360 --> 03:34:59,080
Speaker 1: change the molten stuff. So eighteen eggs, like, yeah, you're

3269
03:34:59,120 --> 03:35:01,160
Speaker 1: going pretty hard in a my household, you've eating that many.

3270
03:35:02,680 --> 03:35:05,560
Speaker 1: So I think if you start, people like to think

3271
03:35:05,600 --> 03:35:07,440
Speaker 1: that they should get bantams to off with, do we

3272
03:35:07,480 --> 03:35:10,200
Speaker 1: know what bantams are? Non chicken understanding. I have a

3273
03:35:10,280 --> 03:35:12,440
Speaker 1: lot of chickens, but I don't know anything about the

3274
03:35:12,520 --> 03:35:16,400
Speaker 1: kind chickens. So we've had a few bantams. They're not great,

3275
03:35:16,440 --> 03:35:18,520
Speaker 1: to be honest, Like bantams are mostly showing birds. So

3276
03:35:18,600 --> 03:35:20,560
Speaker 1: it's a smaller chicken I think of, it's like a

3277
03:35:20,640 --> 03:35:23,200
Speaker 1: half sized chicken, right, um, And if you've seen like

3278
03:35:23,320 --> 03:35:25,720
Speaker 1: a really fancy and you can go ahead and google

3279
03:35:25,800 --> 03:35:35,440
Speaker 1: some bantams like, yeah, they're really little. Yeah, they're really pretty.

3280
03:35:36,400 --> 03:35:38,720
Speaker 1: I like to I like large chickens. Now, look, I

3281
03:35:38,800 --> 03:35:41,360
Speaker 1: don't engage in cock fighting. I think it's immoral, but

3282
03:35:41,440 --> 03:35:44,400
Speaker 1: I like to know theoretically if they had to, my

3283
03:35:44,560 --> 03:35:50,560
Speaker 1: chickens could handle themselves in a fight. Did anybody ever

3284
03:35:50,760 --> 03:35:57,000
Speaker 1: think Robert would be like you, I'm a big chicken Guyable,

3285
03:35:59,200 --> 03:36:02,280
Speaker 1: it's a yeah, you want big chickens. Some breeds to

3286
03:36:02,360 --> 03:36:06,440
Speaker 1: look for Orpington's like buff Orpington's and you can remember

3287
03:36:06,480 --> 03:36:11,160
Speaker 1: that big buff and great ass chickens. Yeah, I could

3288
03:36:11,160 --> 03:36:13,280
Speaker 1: get a yoke to orpingtons. Get to get a hench

3289
03:36:13,400 --> 03:36:18,440
Speaker 1: Rhode Island red. People in America don't say hench, but

3290
03:36:19,040 --> 03:36:21,360
Speaker 1: azing oh yeah, we used to have a couple of those.

3291
03:36:22,440 --> 03:36:25,160
Speaker 1: So so one of the things about bantams is you

3292
03:36:25,200 --> 03:36:27,039
Speaker 1: can't get them. Point of lace. The point of flay

3293
03:36:27,160 --> 03:36:29,080
Speaker 1: is when they've been sexed. Right, so you know that

3294
03:36:29,120 --> 03:36:33,320
Speaker 1: they're girls and they they come to you just to

3295
03:36:33,320 --> 03:36:36,240
Speaker 1: when they're about to lay, right, and you don't. Generally

3296
03:36:36,320 --> 03:36:38,360
Speaker 1: you get bantams younger and you don't get them sexed.

3297
03:36:38,480 --> 03:36:42,480
Speaker 1: So in our case, we had one. She she crowed

3298
03:36:42,480 --> 03:36:44,240
Speaker 1: a lot, so we thought she's a rooster. She wasn't.

3299
03:36:44,440 --> 03:36:48,160
Speaker 1: Any other one was a rooster. Um, So that's going

3300
03:36:48,800 --> 03:36:50,840
Speaker 1: my question, do you need to get a rooster? Also,

3301
03:36:51,240 --> 03:36:56,720
Speaker 1: no chicken regardless. I can't. I don't understand how that works. Okay,

3302
03:36:56,760 --> 03:36:58,800
Speaker 1: So the chickens are gonna lay regardless, right, that's just

3303
03:36:59,360 --> 03:37:04,560
Speaker 1: how they can't do. That's that's the eggs on fertilized, right. Yeah,

3304
03:37:05,040 --> 03:37:08,920
Speaker 1: so they won't make chickens. They will be baby Okay,

3305
03:37:08,959 --> 03:37:11,120
Speaker 1: I get it. It's I get it. Yeah, like a

3306
03:37:11,240 --> 03:37:15,320
Speaker 1: human doing it. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's it's kind of

3307
03:37:15,400 --> 03:37:19,680
Speaker 1: like their equivalent of a menstruation effectively. Yeah. That now

3308
03:37:20,680 --> 03:37:22,640
Speaker 1: everything's coming back to me as far as like being

3309
03:37:22,680 --> 03:37:25,879
Speaker 1: in talking points. Go chickens, by the way, because chickens are,

3310
03:37:26,280 --> 03:37:29,000
Speaker 1: as James said, these are animals and you have to

3311
03:37:29,040 --> 03:37:32,080
Speaker 1: take good care of them. That is your responsibility. You

3312
03:37:32,240 --> 03:37:34,800
Speaker 1: do low key realize the longer you have them. But

3313
03:37:34,840 --> 03:37:38,760
Speaker 1: they're monsters, like their favorite food is their own kind.

3314
03:37:39,120 --> 03:37:49,120
Speaker 1: They have each other, kidsnosaurs. Yeah, so like, don't go

3315
03:37:49,280 --> 03:37:52,000
Speaker 1: outside with your chickens. Like the other day I was,

3316
03:37:52,600 --> 03:37:55,960
Speaker 1: I was cutting down some some bushes and I had

3317
03:37:56,080 --> 03:37:58,760
Speaker 1: was wearing shorts a little cut from the from the thorn.

3318
03:37:59,240 --> 03:38:02,560
Speaker 1: When they see blood, they are just like fucking missile.

3319
03:38:04,000 --> 03:38:07,000
Speaker 1: Does that affect the egg? Like? Yeah, I mean what

3320
03:38:07,120 --> 03:38:11,000
Speaker 1: you made them? So? Yeah, we we butchered a deer

3321
03:38:11,520 --> 03:38:13,360
Speaker 1: last year and we wound up with a lot of

3322
03:38:13,480 --> 03:38:16,080
Speaker 1: like deer fat and kind of like meat that you

3323
03:38:16,160 --> 03:38:18,240
Speaker 1: gave it to the chickens. Well, yeah, we had some

3324
03:38:18,320 --> 03:38:19,840
Speaker 1: stuff because the deer had been hit by a car.

3325
03:38:19,959 --> 03:38:21,680
Speaker 1: There was some meat we couldn't eat, so we would

3326
03:38:21,720 --> 03:38:24,000
Speaker 1: up giving several pounds of meat to the chickens and

3327
03:38:24,120 --> 03:38:30,760
Speaker 1: those eggs fucking ruled. Okay, it's not advised to feed them, dear,

3328
03:38:30,959 --> 03:38:33,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, so you wanted stuff actually if you so,

3329
03:38:33,640 --> 03:38:35,480
Speaker 1: they do be There's a stuff called purple spray. I'm

3330
03:38:35,480 --> 03:38:37,160
Speaker 1: sure it's not what it's actually called, but it's purple

3331
03:38:37,160 --> 03:38:40,040
Speaker 1: and it's a spray and you can we already called

3332
03:38:40,040 --> 03:38:42,520
Speaker 1: it purple spray. You can spray it on them and

3333
03:38:42,600 --> 03:38:44,760
Speaker 1: it just stops it looking like blood. I'm sure it's

3334
03:38:44,800 --> 03:38:49,680
Speaker 1: like an antibiotic or maybe antiseptic, but yeah, you could

3335
03:38:49,680 --> 03:38:51,360
Speaker 1: spray that on the chicken. So, like one of mine,

3336
03:38:51,440 --> 03:38:53,240
Speaker 1: she's just got this little thing on her wing that

3337
03:38:53,480 --> 03:38:55,040
Speaker 1: opens up every now and again, and I just make

3338
03:38:55,080 --> 03:38:57,440
Speaker 1: sure I spray that and that stops her from the

3339
03:38:57,520 --> 03:39:01,360
Speaker 1: other ones from pecking her, right, Yeah, so they have

3340
03:39:01,520 --> 03:39:05,640
Speaker 1: to be. We had a last year some kind of animal,

3341
03:39:05,760 --> 03:39:08,960
Speaker 1: I think it was probably a like a like a

3342
03:39:09,080 --> 03:39:11,320
Speaker 1: possum or something, I don't really know. Some kind of

3343
03:39:11,360 --> 03:39:13,520
Speaker 1: animal got into the coop and attacked my chickens. And

3344
03:39:13,640 --> 03:39:16,000
Speaker 1: we had I had one chicken. We called it the

3345
03:39:16,040 --> 03:39:18,760
Speaker 1: anarchists chicken because it could always escape. It like never

3346
03:39:18,959 --> 03:39:22,360
Speaker 1: was in the cage um. And when when they got attacked,

3347
03:39:22,440 --> 03:39:25,200
Speaker 1: the anarchist chicken leapt to defend the rest of the

3348
03:39:25,280 --> 03:39:28,360
Speaker 1: flock and fought off whatever it was it attacked. But

3349
03:39:28,520 --> 03:39:30,640
Speaker 1: she wound up with a hole in her side, and

3350
03:39:30,760 --> 03:39:32,920
Speaker 1: so I like took her and I dressed the wound,

3351
03:39:33,160 --> 03:39:35,600
Speaker 1: and I put her back in the cage and they

3352
03:39:35,640 --> 03:39:40,320
Speaker 1: all immediately tried to have a separate Yeah, yeah, yeah,

3353
03:39:40,400 --> 03:39:42,320
Speaker 1: I that was the lesson that I learned. I had

3354
03:39:42,320 --> 03:39:45,240
Speaker 1: to take her out because yeah, we have a tiny

3355
03:39:45,360 --> 03:39:48,320
Speaker 1: rabbit hutch that we use. It's called the Merrow Peet

3356
03:39:48,320 --> 03:39:51,000
Speaker 1: Memorial Chicken Hospital, because Merri, it's not about chickens who

3357
03:39:51,040 --> 03:39:54,000
Speaker 1: died and you. You just put put them in that

3358
03:39:54,040 --> 03:39:55,520
Speaker 1: for a few days until they're better, and then then

3359
03:39:55,520 --> 03:39:59,240
Speaker 1: they can reintegrate. It's fine. And so I did. We've we've,

3360
03:39:59,480 --> 03:40:01,800
Speaker 1: we've we've real little progress on my script. Okay, so sorry,

3361
03:40:02,160 --> 03:40:04,080
Speaker 1: you want to get buff or Pinkton's right down and

3362
03:40:04,120 --> 03:40:06,720
Speaker 1: reads are good. Plymouth rocks, americanas are nice. Have you

3363
03:40:06,800 --> 03:40:10,120
Speaker 1: guys seen those? If we don't have if we don't know,

3364
03:40:10,200 --> 03:40:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about talking about what do they

3365
03:40:15,120 --> 03:40:19,440
Speaker 1: teach you in school? Like so they're called Easter eggers.

3366
03:40:19,520 --> 03:40:23,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes they lay different colored eggs, like pastel colored eggs,

3367
03:40:23,280 --> 03:40:26,200
Speaker 1: like blue and green eggs. Have you not been exposed

3368
03:40:26,240 --> 03:40:29,720
Speaker 1: to this at all? No? I get up extra cornfield.

3369
03:40:29,760 --> 03:40:33,320
Speaker 1: But also I I guess, I guess I was a

3370
03:40:33,440 --> 03:40:35,879
Speaker 1: round a farm. But we didn't interact with the chickens

3371
03:40:35,920 --> 03:40:38,160
Speaker 1: because you don't I don't know they were like here

3372
03:40:38,200 --> 03:40:41,480
Speaker 1: de old cows instead, that was like, chickens are good.

3373
03:40:41,520 --> 03:40:44,200
Speaker 1: Don't go dive straight into cattle if you're getting into

3374
03:40:44,240 --> 03:40:48,440
Speaker 1: animal husband. But yeah, the americanasun say ladies colored eggs.

3375
03:40:48,840 --> 03:40:50,360
Speaker 1: One of my friends dad's had them when I was

3376
03:40:50,360 --> 03:40:53,600
Speaker 1: a kid and he made bank selling them around Easter.

3377
03:40:54,440 --> 03:40:56,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're looking to get into your chicken hustle.

3378
03:40:56,879 --> 03:40:59,680
Speaker 1: And then leg horns are like really good. They're like

3379
03:40:59,800 --> 03:41:01,760
Speaker 1: high the chickens, but they are allowed. So if you

3380
03:41:01,840 --> 03:41:04,720
Speaker 1: live near people, um, I would consider not. You should

3381
03:41:04,720 --> 03:41:06,720
Speaker 1: also check your local laws, Like where I live, you

3382
03:41:06,840 --> 03:41:09,520
Speaker 1: can't have a rooster, and you can have up to

3383
03:41:09,600 --> 03:41:11,800
Speaker 1: five chickens within city limits. You can't have a rester.

3384
03:41:12,120 --> 03:41:16,640
Speaker 1: You don't really want a rooster have chicks. And one

3385
03:41:16,680 --> 03:41:19,440
Speaker 1: of the things roosters can do is like peck at

3386
03:41:19,520 --> 03:41:23,200
Speaker 1: your chickens and effectively like ware holes in there, like yeah,

3387
03:41:23,400 --> 03:41:27,200
Speaker 1: they wind up like parts. Yeah they're little sons of bitches.

3388
03:41:27,240 --> 03:41:31,320
Speaker 1: We harvested ours as soon as I got the place,

3389
03:41:31,640 --> 03:41:36,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's that's the term. This leads into a

3390
03:41:36,600 --> 03:41:39,119
Speaker 1: question that I've been wanting to ask, which is that Okay,

3391
03:41:39,480 --> 03:41:41,920
Speaker 1: it is my under is my firm belief that I

3392
03:41:41,959 --> 03:41:43,920
Speaker 1: could defeed a chicken in single combat. It would send

3393
03:41:43,959 --> 03:41:45,720
Speaker 1: me to the hospital. But apparently there's the thing you

3394
03:41:45,800 --> 03:41:48,080
Speaker 1: need to do with your chickens. So how how practical

3395
03:41:48,160 --> 03:41:49,840
Speaker 1: is it to defeed a chicken in single combat if

3396
03:41:49,840 --> 03:41:52,440
Speaker 1: you have to extract another chicken or something. I've never

3397
03:41:52,560 --> 03:41:56,560
Speaker 1: actually had any kind of aggression from my chickens. When

3398
03:41:56,600 --> 03:41:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm bleeding, they'll pick my leg. But yeah, yeah, yeah,

3399
03:41:59,560 --> 03:42:03,040
Speaker 1: how's that had a greatful while we we hadn't realized that,

3400
03:42:03,160 --> 03:42:05,440
Speaker 1: Like they so a thing that you want when you

3401
03:42:05,480 --> 03:42:07,840
Speaker 1: get chickens, as a rodent proof freeder, right, So you

3402
03:42:07,879 --> 03:42:09,320
Speaker 1: don't want to just put the food in the bowl

3403
03:42:10,120 --> 03:42:11,520
Speaker 1: if you have an issue with rodents. You want to

3404
03:42:11,520 --> 03:42:13,760
Speaker 1: have a thing. So like basically she comes up, she

3405
03:42:13,879 --> 03:42:16,560
Speaker 1: stands on a step and that opens up the feeder

3406
03:42:16,720 --> 03:42:19,560
Speaker 1: and she can pack and eat, right, And you want

3407
03:42:19,600 --> 03:42:21,480
Speaker 1: to get a rodent proof feeder, you can just buy

3408
03:42:21,520 --> 03:42:24,800
Speaker 1: them attractive supply. But I was gummed up with rain

3409
03:42:24,840 --> 03:42:27,760
Speaker 1: and we didn't realize, and the chickens are obviously not

3410
03:42:27,760 --> 03:42:29,600
Speaker 1: getting food. They're upset with this, so they would attack

3411
03:42:29,680 --> 03:42:33,280
Speaker 1: me every time I came outside, like they'd attacked me

3412
03:42:33,320 --> 03:42:35,680
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, go away. So I'd give them treats, right,

3413
03:42:35,720 --> 03:42:39,640
Speaker 1: I give them like worms and apples. A kitten has arrived,

3414
03:42:41,720 --> 03:42:44,760
Speaker 1: I have to she was to hold or to be held.

3415
03:42:45,920 --> 03:42:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm holding my cat for anyone that's like, what's happening?

3416
03:42:49,440 --> 03:42:52,520
Speaker 1: Or she just wanted to be snuggled. That's okay, she's

3417
03:42:52,520 --> 03:42:56,360
Speaker 1: given your gears. Um. Yeah, so you the mind would

3418
03:42:56,400 --> 03:42:59,720
Speaker 1: attack me for a while and I just gave them meal,

3419
03:42:59,800 --> 03:43:01,800
Speaker 1: and when they would attach me so unconsciously, I was

3420
03:43:01,840 --> 03:43:05,680
Speaker 1: reinforcing the attacking behavior. And so they would attack me

3421
03:43:05,720 --> 03:43:07,240
Speaker 1: for a while. But I think you could take and

3422
03:43:07,560 --> 03:43:11,960
Speaker 1: just keep swinging and yeah, you know, you don't have to.

3423
03:43:12,040 --> 03:43:14,160
Speaker 1: They're very like most of the time, at least mine.

3424
03:43:14,200 --> 03:43:16,320
Speaker 1: I hand feed them. So like a nice treat for

3425
03:43:16,360 --> 03:43:19,560
Speaker 1: them is I'll cut a melon in half and I'll

3426
03:43:19,640 --> 03:43:24,680
Speaker 1: chase Sharne because she's allergic to melons a and then

3427
03:43:24,680 --> 03:43:26,560
Speaker 1: you just hold it out and they'll come and eat it. Um.

3428
03:43:27,240 --> 03:43:30,680
Speaker 1: And they they love scraps like that's often like what

3429
03:43:30,800 --> 03:43:33,000
Speaker 1: I do with basically all of my food waste is

3430
03:43:33,520 --> 03:43:35,800
Speaker 1: give it to the chickens, and they tend to be

3431
03:43:35,959 --> 03:43:38,480
Speaker 1: very happy with that. Yeah, it's very it's a very

3432
03:43:38,520 --> 03:43:41,680
Speaker 1: sustainable thing. Let's get onto space, and I want to

3433
03:43:41,720 --> 03:43:44,920
Speaker 1: talk about before, before, before, before we get into this.

3434
03:43:45,520 --> 03:43:48,600
Speaker 1: Speaking of sustainability, do you know who else is incredibly sustainable?

3435
03:43:49,920 --> 03:43:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't think we can say capitalism. Yes, inherently, so

3436
03:43:53,680 --> 03:43:57,879
Speaker 1: shiny stuff, it will last a thousand years, all right,

3437
03:43:58,280 --> 03:44:02,400
Speaker 1: we'll back yea by some gold. Buy some gold. Want

3438
03:44:02,440 --> 03:44:05,880
Speaker 1: to reinforce that, because gold, when you're starving, will be

3439
03:44:06,000 --> 03:44:10,360
Speaker 1: more useful than chickens because it's shiny. That's right, that's right.

3440
03:44:10,440 --> 03:44:13,800
Speaker 1: It'll make you forget that you're slowly starving. And it's

3441
03:44:13,840 --> 03:44:17,880
Speaker 1: the foundation of all of this. Ship's shiny. Okay um, yeah,

3442
03:44:17,959 --> 03:44:19,840
Speaker 1: so don't have shiny things. I want to talk about

3443
03:44:19,920 --> 03:44:24,400
Speaker 1: chicken coopes because there's a shiny thing, secual. I love

3444
03:44:24,440 --> 03:44:27,440
Speaker 1: a good coop. I do love. Have to make a coop.

3445
03:44:27,800 --> 03:44:29,200
Speaker 1: I'd have to buy a cooper, have to help my

3446
03:44:29,240 --> 03:44:32,840
Speaker 1: friends buy coopes. It's just it's it's a great conversation

3447
03:44:32,920 --> 03:44:34,840
Speaker 1: area anyway. So they do need a coupe. They need

3448
03:44:34,879 --> 03:44:36,680
Speaker 1: a place where they can go at night. And you

3449
03:44:36,720 --> 03:44:38,520
Speaker 1: want it to be shut off from predators, right, So

3450
03:44:38,600 --> 03:44:42,120
Speaker 1: you don't want your possum, your raccoon and your fox,

3451
03:44:42,240 --> 03:44:47,600
Speaker 1: your stout, your weasel, fare whatever whatever you're dealing with snake. Um. So,

3452
03:44:48,000 --> 03:44:50,720
Speaker 1: once you get above three chickens, you might have more

3453
03:44:50,720 --> 03:44:53,720
Speaker 1: than one nesting box in there. But like this doesn't

3454
03:44:53,760 --> 03:44:55,560
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that you need to go out and buy

3455
03:44:56,200 --> 03:44:57,840
Speaker 1: Like you can buy them on Amazon now, but they're

3456
03:44:57,879 --> 03:45:00,280
Speaker 1: quite expensive and they're often quite ship like the the

3457
03:45:00,360 --> 03:45:02,840
Speaker 1: pre made chicken coops are very poor quality. Like if

3458
03:45:02,920 --> 03:45:07,000
Speaker 1: you have a shed or a kennel or something like that,

3459
03:45:07,160 --> 03:45:08,800
Speaker 1: you can pretty easily make it into a coop and

3460
03:45:08,920 --> 03:45:10,320
Speaker 1: you can just put a drop down door on the

3461
03:45:10,360 --> 03:45:11,920
Speaker 1: front so you can close them in at night and

3462
03:45:12,000 --> 03:45:15,640
Speaker 1: let them out in the morning. And or I've seen

3463
03:45:15,680 --> 03:45:18,600
Speaker 1: people use like drawers, you know, like like dresses, just

3464
03:45:18,760 --> 03:45:21,880
Speaker 1: open those and use them as nesting boxes. Well, you

3465
03:45:21,920 --> 03:45:24,119
Speaker 1: want to put down some straw in your nesting books,

3466
03:45:24,400 --> 03:45:27,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, I have I have I think four for

3467
03:45:28,600 --> 03:45:31,320
Speaker 1: the chickens that I have now, which is about I

3468
03:45:31,360 --> 03:45:35,000
Speaker 1: think we've got about eleven, um, which and there they

3469
03:45:35,040 --> 03:45:36,840
Speaker 1: are two of them are large enough for two at

3470
03:45:36,879 --> 03:45:39,080
Speaker 1: a time, and then two of them are smaller. Although

3471
03:45:39,680 --> 03:45:41,520
Speaker 1: chickens all and and sometimes one of the thems you

3472
03:45:41,600 --> 03:45:44,080
Speaker 1: have to do occasionally is come in and like take

3473
03:45:44,120 --> 03:45:46,600
Speaker 1: them out of some of them out of the nesting boxes.

3474
03:45:46,640 --> 03:45:48,560
Speaker 1: Some of them get like stuck in a loop. Where

3475
03:45:48,680 --> 03:45:51,680
Speaker 1: did they get broody? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so you

3476
03:45:51,760 --> 03:45:53,480
Speaker 1: just I just like take them out and set them

3477
03:45:53,520 --> 03:45:55,720
Speaker 1: down where there's like some stuff to peck at, and

3478
03:45:55,959 --> 03:45:59,040
Speaker 1: they seem to it kind of resets their little chicken brains.

3479
03:45:59,400 --> 03:46:02,160
Speaker 1: Silkkey bantems, which are one of the like show bantams

3480
03:46:02,360 --> 03:46:05,240
Speaker 1: get broody as fun and it's like I've had friends

3481
03:46:05,280 --> 03:46:06,760
Speaker 1: who have had them, and they will they will not

3482
03:46:06,879 --> 03:46:08,720
Speaker 1: eat and not drink because it's just like no, I'm

3483
03:46:08,760 --> 03:46:11,440
Speaker 1: sitting on this egg, like you can't stop me, and

3484
03:46:11,520 --> 03:46:13,320
Speaker 1: you have to lock them out of there. There's not

3485
03:46:13,400 --> 03:46:15,520
Speaker 1: even an egg there, chicken, what's wrong with you? Yeah,

3486
03:46:16,320 --> 03:46:19,800
Speaker 1: well they'll take another chicken's egg. Yeah, just yeah. Or

3487
03:46:19,879 --> 03:46:25,119
Speaker 1: even like silky it's cute. Look them up there, they're real,

3488
03:46:25,320 --> 03:46:28,120
Speaker 1: they're fluords. They're very cute. So you want to build

3489
03:46:28,160 --> 03:46:29,760
Speaker 1: them a run to write a place where they can

3490
03:46:29,760 --> 03:46:31,320
Speaker 1: say if you run around and have their food, have

3491
03:46:31,400 --> 03:46:36,160
Speaker 1: their water. And I would suggest using construction netting when

3492
03:46:36,160 --> 03:46:38,320
Speaker 1: you build a run. Broy that people called chicken wire,

3493
03:46:38,400 --> 03:46:41,720
Speaker 1: which is like maybe one inch size holes, but like

3494
03:46:41,800 --> 03:46:43,680
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff can get through that. You'd be amazed,

3495
03:46:43,760 --> 03:46:46,320
Speaker 1: like rats, my snakes can all get through that. And

3496
03:46:47,040 --> 03:46:49,960
Speaker 1: use construction netting, which is like maybe I'm not very

3497
03:46:50,000 --> 03:46:53,360
Speaker 1: good at inches, but like about one centimeter size a

3498
03:46:53,400 --> 03:46:55,640
Speaker 1: lot less. He's going to get through it. And you

3499
03:46:55,720 --> 03:46:57,840
Speaker 1: might want to bury it down to like a foot

3500
03:46:57,879 --> 03:46:59,879
Speaker 1: or two below the run if you're building something perm

3501
03:47:00,360 --> 03:47:03,280
Speaker 1: just because things can't dig underneath, right like a we

3502
03:47:03,360 --> 03:47:06,119
Speaker 1: had a fox stick underneath when I was a kid,

3503
03:47:06,520 --> 03:47:09,000
Speaker 1: and don't it's preferable to do that to putting on

3504
03:47:09,080 --> 03:47:10,720
Speaker 1: the floor of your run because they don't like the

3505
03:47:10,760 --> 03:47:13,960
Speaker 1: little wire on the little feet and yeah, no, no,

3506
03:47:14,200 --> 03:47:16,920
Speaker 1: definitely not on the You want them to have access

3507
03:47:17,240 --> 03:47:21,120
Speaker 1: to dirt and ideally sometimes grass too. One thing that

3508
03:47:21,240 --> 03:47:24,200
Speaker 1: they because I I will let them out sometimes during

3509
03:47:24,280 --> 03:47:27,000
Speaker 1: the day and I have a barn that has like

3510
03:47:27,520 --> 03:47:29,959
Speaker 1: like it's kind of dust in there, like not dust

3511
03:47:30,040 --> 03:47:33,840
Speaker 1: um almost like almost like sandy dry dirt. And one

3512
03:47:33,920 --> 03:47:36,480
Speaker 1: of their favorite things, especially during the summer, is to

3513
03:47:36,640 --> 03:47:40,480
Speaker 1: just kind of like sit down and rub, yeah that

3514
03:47:40,640 --> 03:47:42,959
Speaker 1: making it all up in the like, and they kind

3515
03:47:42,959 --> 03:47:44,880
Speaker 1: of need to be able to do some version of

3516
03:47:44,959 --> 03:47:48,040
Speaker 1: that in order to be like healthy. Otherwise they Yeah,

3517
03:47:48,120 --> 03:47:50,040
Speaker 1: it's it's good for them, it's good for their skin,

3518
03:47:50,160 --> 03:47:53,680
Speaker 1: it's good for them existing. Yeah, it's good for their

3519
03:47:53,760 --> 03:47:56,040
Speaker 1: mental health. I think that like people keep kicking their

3520
03:47:56,160 --> 03:47:59,360
Speaker 1: terrible conditions commercially. But it doesn't mean you have an

3521
03:47:59,400 --> 03:48:02,400
Speaker 1: excuse to say. When I when I got these chickens,

3522
03:48:02,520 --> 03:48:04,160
Speaker 1: they had been the people who'd have them before. I

3523
03:48:04,160 --> 03:48:05,920
Speaker 1: don't know what the funk was wrong with them. They

3524
03:48:06,000 --> 03:48:09,720
Speaker 1: had a sizeable outside run, but whoever, the folks who

3525
03:48:09,840 --> 03:48:13,360
Speaker 1: had them had covered the entire bottom in stone, so

3526
03:48:13,480 --> 03:48:17,120
Speaker 1: they were just like living on stone when we know

3527
03:48:17,320 --> 03:48:19,360
Speaker 1: they were. They were in a horrible shape. And when

3528
03:48:19,360 --> 03:48:22,800
Speaker 1: I when we harvested the rooster, his gizzard was full

3529
03:48:22,840 --> 03:48:26,640
Speaker 1: of automotive glass, Like, yeah, it was fucked up. It

3530
03:48:26,760 --> 03:48:29,080
Speaker 1: was I spent because they all had they all had

3531
03:48:29,200 --> 03:48:32,880
Speaker 1: huge patches of them that like we're bald um. I

3532
03:48:32,920 --> 03:48:35,400
Speaker 1: mean we we we dealt with that, partially by getting

3533
03:48:35,480 --> 03:48:38,160
Speaker 1: rid of the rooster and partially by making sure we

3534
03:48:38,280 --> 03:48:41,000
Speaker 1: gave them. I was I still do mix in um

3535
03:48:42,040 --> 03:48:47,000
Speaker 1: oyster shell bits with the calcium is good for them. Yeah,

3536
03:48:47,200 --> 03:48:50,279
Speaker 1: so you'll know if they need that, like they stopped

3537
03:48:50,320 --> 03:48:52,600
Speaker 1: coming and he starts to really dangerous, like an egg

3538
03:48:52,720 --> 03:48:55,240
Speaker 1: can rupture inside if they're laying it, and that can

3539
03:48:55,280 --> 03:48:58,119
Speaker 1: be fatal. So you want to make sure, um, if

3540
03:48:58,120 --> 03:48:59,840
Speaker 1: we just we can have a few quickly, I guess.

3541
03:49:00,080 --> 03:49:02,080
Speaker 1: So they do like to grub for worms and stuff

3542
03:49:02,120 --> 03:49:04,200
Speaker 1: like that, right, look for insects, and they love to

3543
03:49:04,280 --> 03:49:06,560
Speaker 1: have scraps. But for laying chicken, you want to make

3544
03:49:06,560 --> 03:49:09,280
Speaker 1: sure it's getting a decent based diet of layers pellets,

3545
03:49:09,320 --> 03:49:12,960
Speaker 1: which should be like somewhere between six protein which sorry,

3546
03:49:13,040 --> 03:49:16,040
Speaker 1: what what kind of pellets? Layer pellets. Yeah, there's a

3547
03:49:16,160 --> 03:49:19,840
Speaker 1: number of brands of it, but yeah, they're called layer pellets. Yeah,

3548
03:49:20,240 --> 03:49:22,800
Speaker 1: some of them will already have oyster shell and grit,

3549
03:49:23,240 --> 03:49:25,120
Speaker 1: and like Robert said, they do need those. If not,

3550
03:49:25,280 --> 03:49:27,680
Speaker 1: you can augment them, but it's probably gonna be easier

3551
03:49:27,680 --> 03:49:30,240
Speaker 1: to just get one sack and just dump it all in.

3552
03:49:31,760 --> 03:49:34,040
Speaker 1: They do need access to water as well that they

3553
03:49:34,080 --> 03:49:36,400
Speaker 1: can get out all day. I think it's better to

3554
03:49:36,480 --> 03:49:40,400
Speaker 1: use like a nipple type drinker, which is a you

3555
03:49:40,440 --> 03:49:42,320
Speaker 1: can take a bucket, any bucket, right, fill it up,

3556
03:49:42,520 --> 03:49:43,960
Speaker 1: and then you put these little nipples and they just

3557
03:49:44,040 --> 03:49:45,880
Speaker 1: get their red and again they like to peck at

3558
03:49:45,920 --> 03:49:47,440
Speaker 1: red stuff, so they'll peck at them and then they

3559
03:49:47,520 --> 03:49:50,400
Speaker 1: get and that stops. Like you know, they can't put

3560
03:49:50,440 --> 03:49:52,320
Speaker 1: their feet in the water and get their ship from

3561
03:49:52,320 --> 03:49:54,040
Speaker 1: their feet in the water and get sick, like then

3562
03:49:54,080 --> 03:49:56,800
Speaker 1: they're not clean animals. So just if you do that.

3563
03:49:57,040 --> 03:49:58,280
Speaker 1: And then I like to put a little bit. It's

3564
03:49:58,320 --> 03:49:59,880
Speaker 1: hot where I live in San Diego, so I put

3565
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:01,960
Speaker 1: a bit of electrolyte stuff in there for them and

3566
03:50:02,480 --> 03:50:05,680
Speaker 1: they don't seem to mind. It just seems to help um.

3567
03:50:06,720 --> 03:50:09,600
Speaker 1: And then yeah, like it's it's good to you can

3568
03:50:09,720 --> 03:50:11,840
Speaker 1: feed them kitchen straps, but you don't want to overload them,

3569
03:50:11,920 --> 03:50:15,240
Speaker 1: especially on carb stuff, like they do need enough protein

3570
03:50:15,720 --> 03:50:18,280
Speaker 1: to keep up their laying and they definitely need enough calcium.

3571
03:50:18,720 --> 03:50:21,720
Speaker 1: And one thing I would say if you're if you're

3572
03:50:21,720 --> 03:50:23,400
Speaker 1: going to buy something, if you're going to buy a

3573
03:50:23,520 --> 03:50:27,280
Speaker 1: chicken coop, there's a company called egg Glue, which is

3574
03:50:27,440 --> 03:50:30,640
Speaker 1: like iglobe egg. They make some really nice pre fab

3575
03:50:30,720 --> 03:50:33,880
Speaker 1: coops that are pretty good. And you can buy an

3576
03:50:33,920 --> 03:50:37,400
Speaker 1: attachment which puts a little door on it that it

3577
03:50:37,560 --> 03:50:40,080
Speaker 1: uses a solar panel I guess to charge itself and

3578
03:50:40,200 --> 03:50:43,880
Speaker 1: then it will open at daylight and close at sunset,

3579
03:50:44,120 --> 03:50:46,360
Speaker 1: and so if you're the sort of person who knows that,

3580
03:50:46,400 --> 03:50:49,160
Speaker 1: you'll forget to bring your chickens in. Obviously they're you know,

3581
03:50:49,280 --> 03:50:51,400
Speaker 1: they're at risk at night from predation and things, and

3582
03:50:51,480 --> 03:50:55,120
Speaker 1: they become completely fucking useless at night that when they

3583
03:50:55,160 --> 03:50:56,440
Speaker 1: go to sleep, you can pick them up and turn

3584
03:50:56,480 --> 03:51:00,160
Speaker 1: them upside down and just like, yeah, my in here,

3585
03:51:00,240 --> 03:51:03,160
Speaker 1: you're the interior of my coupe has. It's really cute.

3586
03:51:03,640 --> 03:51:06,120
Speaker 1: It's basically like a ladder, like a like a very

3587
03:51:06,280 --> 03:51:08,920
Speaker 1: wide ladder going up the side of the building and

3588
03:51:09,000 --> 03:51:12,440
Speaker 1: they just all stand on like it's like a group

3589
03:51:12,480 --> 03:51:15,120
Speaker 1: of twenty like a different levels of the ladder just

3590
03:51:15,760 --> 03:51:18,480
Speaker 1: sit there as they as they sleep at night. Yeah,

3591
03:51:18,880 --> 03:51:21,360
Speaker 1: they need to steep on Actually that's a good yea

3592
03:51:21,400 --> 03:51:24,480
Speaker 1: good mind. You can't just on the floor. Yeah, they

3593
03:51:24,520 --> 03:51:27,440
Speaker 1: don't like just being in the dirt and then like

3594
03:51:27,520 --> 03:51:29,720
Speaker 1: something to entertain them. So a good thing to entertain

3595
03:51:29,800 --> 03:51:34,000
Speaker 1: them is like if you have CDs. Still, young listeners

3596
03:51:34,040 --> 03:51:37,080
Speaker 1: may not remember having CD collections, but if you if

3597
03:51:37,120 --> 03:51:39,600
Speaker 1: you do have CDs, or you know you can find

3598
03:51:39,680 --> 03:51:42,680
Speaker 1: c ds, you can just hang those and then they'll

3599
03:51:42,720 --> 03:51:44,400
Speaker 1: pack at them and stuff because they're kind of shiny

3600
03:51:44,440 --> 03:51:46,480
Speaker 1: and they move around. So it's the thing to do

3601
03:51:46,600 --> 03:51:49,880
Speaker 1: with your lattice. Marseilles. They also really like, I mean

3602
03:51:49,960 --> 03:51:52,120
Speaker 1: one of the things that so I just tore out

3603
03:51:52,200 --> 03:51:55,040
Speaker 1: my what was left of my front lawn in order

3604
03:51:55,120 --> 03:51:57,760
Speaker 1: to grow more stuff, and I just tossed all of

3605
03:51:57,840 --> 03:52:02,200
Speaker 1: the the chunks of like so oil and and and there.

3606
03:52:02,280 --> 03:52:04,560
Speaker 1: They love pecking at that ship. It's like one of

3607
03:52:04,640 --> 03:52:07,120
Speaker 1: their favorite things in the world. Yeah, we put them on.

3608
03:52:07,320 --> 03:52:10,680
Speaker 1: I have some planters out back and they're like fen

3609
03:52:10,720 --> 03:52:12,800
Speaker 1: stuff the chickens car and then when we turn them

3610
03:52:12,840 --> 03:52:15,000
Speaker 1: over and we like replant them, we'll put them in

3611
03:52:15,080 --> 03:52:17,240
Speaker 1: there and they just go have and they find these

3612
03:52:17,360 --> 03:52:19,440
Speaker 1: huge worms. So I have no idea how they got

3613
03:52:19,480 --> 03:52:22,640
Speaker 1: in there, but yeah, they love that stuff. Yeah, and

3614
03:52:22,680 --> 03:52:24,640
Speaker 1: I let him out into the yard periodically, and it's

3615
03:52:24,640 --> 03:52:26,880
Speaker 1: always whenever I have to like walk them back in

3616
03:52:26,920 --> 03:52:29,120
Speaker 1: because you kind of just like loop around them to

3617
03:52:29,280 --> 03:52:32,120
Speaker 1: like guide the flock as they move, because they'll kind

3618
03:52:32,160 --> 03:52:36,040
Speaker 1: of instinctively go away from you if you're walking towards them. Um.

3619
03:52:36,920 --> 03:52:39,520
Speaker 1: One of my one of my hobbies is to like

3620
03:52:39,760 --> 03:52:46,080
Speaker 1: pretend to be an old feel like we should stop

3621
03:52:46,160 --> 03:52:55,160
Speaker 1: this immediately, buy some gold. Okay, sometimes I pretend it's

3622
03:52:55,160 --> 03:52:58,360
Speaker 1: the Shawshank Redemption, which is where I'm giving my chickens

3623
03:52:59,360 --> 03:53:03,400
Speaker 1: boat by the coast. It's kind of go and show

3624
03:53:03,440 --> 03:53:05,720
Speaker 1: us why hold in this bed sheet? All of us

3625
03:53:05,840 --> 03:53:10,640
Speaker 1: love having health insurance? Plea, can I can I ask

3626
03:53:10,680 --> 03:53:15,440
Speaker 1: a question about space? So like how much physical room

3627
03:53:15,640 --> 03:53:17,680
Speaker 1: do they need? Like how much line do you have

3628
03:53:17,760 --> 03:53:19,800
Speaker 1: to have? So you can look at there are pretty

3629
03:53:19,800 --> 03:53:22,560
Speaker 1: good like calculators online. We can look at how many

3630
03:53:22,600 --> 03:53:25,000
Speaker 1: square yards or whatever you have. But I'm terrible at

3631
03:53:25,080 --> 03:53:28,120
Speaker 1: estimating size. But you know, my, my, I dn't have

3632
03:53:28,240 --> 03:53:30,360
Speaker 1: very big garden. You know, we've we've had up to

3633
03:53:30,440 --> 03:53:33,720
Speaker 1: six chickens. But you do want to just look it up.

3634
03:53:33,880 --> 03:53:37,720
Speaker 1: And it's not like the square yardage you have isn't

3635
03:53:37,720 --> 03:53:40,440
Speaker 1: as important as the access they have to stuff? Right? Yeah?

3636
03:53:41,160 --> 03:53:44,080
Speaker 1: Can they get sunlight? Can they be like out in

3637
03:53:44,440 --> 03:53:48,680
Speaker 1: in like something that feels like you know where a

3638
03:53:48,760 --> 03:53:51,600
Speaker 1: chicken would want to be? But this is this is

3639
03:53:51,680 --> 03:53:53,800
Speaker 1: this is like not something you can run from an apartment, right,

3640
03:53:54,360 --> 03:53:58,080
Speaker 1: No need to be outside. Yeah, if you live in

3641
03:53:58,120 --> 03:54:00,520
Speaker 1: an apartment that like has a yard it or something

3642
03:54:00,600 --> 03:54:02,840
Speaker 1: that shared, you potentially could, but no, you you do

3643
03:54:03,000 --> 03:54:06,840
Speaker 1: need like some amount of dirt and grass. Essentially, if

3644
03:54:06,880 --> 03:54:08,960
Speaker 1: you maybe have like a community garden, you could talk

3645
03:54:08,960 --> 03:54:11,800
Speaker 1: to people about doing it. They're like them, So mine

3646
03:54:11,840 --> 03:54:15,040
Speaker 1: just go all around my yard all day and like, uh,

3647
03:54:15,680 --> 03:54:18,320
Speaker 1: you guys have noticed also coming to my office. Um,

3648
03:54:18,880 --> 03:54:21,400
Speaker 1: and then they'll put themselves to bed at night, and

3649
03:54:21,560 --> 03:54:23,720
Speaker 1: they know where their home is so that they'll just

3650
03:54:23,800 --> 03:54:26,000
Speaker 1: go back to bed at night. And I want to

3651
03:54:26,040 --> 03:54:28,440
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about health, because there are definitely

3652
03:54:28,480 --> 03:54:32,840
Speaker 1: some chicken health things and just it's very expensive stake

3653
03:54:32,920 --> 03:54:34,400
Speaker 1: chicken to the vet actually because you have to go

3654
03:54:34,440 --> 03:54:36,440
Speaker 1: to an exotic and avian vet, and they're quite rare

3655
03:54:38,640 --> 03:54:42,640
Speaker 1: exotic and avian vet. You could take them to a

3656
03:54:42,680 --> 03:54:45,160
Speaker 1: regular vet, but most of the time, so actually, if

3657
03:54:45,160 --> 03:54:47,920
Speaker 1: your chickens get sick, in most states, there's a state

3658
03:54:48,000 --> 03:54:51,080
Speaker 1: run helpline you can call and it's free and they'll

3659
03:54:51,120 --> 03:54:54,120
Speaker 1: put you onto a vet right away and they're very

3660
03:54:54,320 --> 03:54:57,240
Speaker 1: very helpful. And then the reason because of the danger

3661
03:54:57,400 --> 03:55:00,760
Speaker 1: of different avian flues like infecting arge. Numbers of of

3662
03:55:01,080 --> 03:55:05,560
Speaker 1: of animals. Yeah does does something similar to pet insurance

3663
03:55:05,600 --> 03:55:09,520
Speaker 1: exists for farm peep farm animals or not really it does,

3664
03:55:09,680 --> 03:55:11,600
Speaker 1: but I don't think you probably wouldn't want to be

3665
03:55:11,720 --> 03:55:13,720
Speaker 1: investing it out for your chickens. I give you. If

3666
03:55:13,720 --> 03:55:16,560
Speaker 1: you're breeding livestock, and that's the thing you can have,

3667
03:55:17,040 --> 03:55:19,480
Speaker 1: um And you know, one of the things you do

3668
03:55:19,640 --> 03:55:22,160
Speaker 1: have to keep in mind is that at some point

3669
03:55:22,360 --> 03:55:25,040
Speaker 1: you will have to kill them, um, you know, because

3670
03:55:25,080 --> 03:55:28,160
Speaker 1: they will get old enough or sick enough, and some

3671
03:55:28,360 --> 03:55:31,920
Speaker 1: form of euthanasia will wind up being kinder than continuing

3672
03:55:32,000 --> 03:55:35,280
Speaker 1: to like let them be um. Like, That's just that's

3673
03:55:35,320 --> 03:55:37,720
Speaker 1: true of any kind of livestock, right, at some point

3674
03:55:38,320 --> 03:55:40,760
Speaker 1: you have to if you don't just want to let

3675
03:55:40,840 --> 03:55:44,200
Speaker 1: it die naturally, which again in a lot of cases,

3676
03:55:44,240 --> 03:55:46,760
Speaker 1: will be prolonging and suffering. You you do have to

3677
03:55:46,840 --> 03:55:48,880
Speaker 1: be willing to take care of that one way or

3678
03:55:48,920 --> 03:55:51,120
Speaker 1: the other. Yeah, Like you can give them the best

3679
03:55:51,160 --> 03:55:52,800
Speaker 1: life you can give them and look aft for them

3680
03:55:52,840 --> 03:55:54,600
Speaker 1: as you can. But often times here they will or

3681
03:55:54,600 --> 03:55:57,080
Speaker 1: they'll get hurt, right like if some yes, they'll get injured.

3682
03:55:58,520 --> 03:56:00,520
Speaker 1: I think that's a good reality to my people love that.

3683
03:56:00,600 --> 03:56:03,120
Speaker 1: It's like it's actually like a serious thing to have

3684
03:56:03,200 --> 03:56:05,720
Speaker 1: a chicken and then be responsible for its life and death.

3685
03:56:05,800 --> 03:56:09,440
Speaker 1: And also like the egg comes out of their butth hole, right,

3686
03:56:09,480 --> 03:56:14,320
Speaker 1: so it's covered. Well, it's it's not just like cartoon

3687
03:56:14,440 --> 03:56:17,480
Speaker 1: and chicken laying, you know what I mean, Like I think, yeah,

3688
03:56:17,680 --> 03:56:20,440
Speaker 1: it's not ago um, but it's not that game they

3689
03:56:20,440 --> 03:56:22,320
Speaker 1: everyone playing in COVID where you're in the island and

3690
03:56:22,360 --> 03:56:25,400
Speaker 1: you build stuff and yeah, I just think people usually

3691
03:56:25,400 --> 03:56:28,560
Speaker 1: are really flipping with stuff like like, yeah, you know,

3692
03:56:28,680 --> 03:56:30,640
Speaker 1: it's a living animal, and like you have to take

3693
03:56:30,680 --> 03:56:32,600
Speaker 1: care of it, and it's your responsibility right at the storm,

3694
03:56:32,640 --> 03:56:35,400
Speaker 1: Like you need to think about that. You don't want

3695
03:56:35,400 --> 03:56:37,680
Speaker 1: to let the bumbholes get too poopy. We're talking about health,

3696
03:56:37,840 --> 03:56:39,880
Speaker 1: so they can get worms that way, and that's really bad.

3697
03:56:40,160 --> 03:56:42,080
Speaker 1: So if you see that, just just pick them up

3698
03:56:42,080 --> 03:56:43,880
Speaker 1: and they'll be And that's this is why you want

3699
03:56:43,920 --> 03:56:45,680
Speaker 1: to handle them when they're young, so that you can

3700
03:56:45,800 --> 03:56:48,280
Speaker 1: handle them with stuff like this. So like I'll pick

3701
03:56:48,320 --> 03:56:49,880
Speaker 1: them up and use a spray bottle or a little

3702
03:56:49,960 --> 03:56:52,120
Speaker 1: hose with a bit of warm water and and they

3703
03:56:52,160 --> 03:56:54,880
Speaker 1: they don't mind that at all, and at least they

3704
03:56:54,960 --> 03:56:57,240
Speaker 1: don't give me any ship. But you want to look

3705
03:56:57,360 --> 03:56:59,400
Speaker 1: up some of the common things you're going to see.

3706
03:57:00,360 --> 03:57:04,280
Speaker 1: Gape worm. It's called gape one because they'll gape you

3707
03:57:04,440 --> 03:57:08,240
Speaker 1: you'll see them gaping. They can be egg bound, and

3708
03:57:08,360 --> 03:57:09,920
Speaker 1: then depending on where you are right, they can be

3709
03:57:10,000 --> 03:57:11,920
Speaker 1: too hot too cold. You do need to make sure

3710
03:57:11,960 --> 03:57:16,360
Speaker 1: they have shade. I found this thing, um, I found

3711
03:57:16,400 --> 03:57:18,480
Speaker 1: it someone was moving out. It's like a it's like

3712
03:57:18,560 --> 03:57:21,240
Speaker 1: a mister, but like they have at restaurants. You know

3713
03:57:21,280 --> 03:57:22,800
Speaker 1: when you go to a restaurant in l A and

3714
03:57:22,840 --> 03:57:28,560
Speaker 1: it's hot and seven annoying wetness. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah,

3715
03:57:29,040 --> 03:57:30,880
Speaker 1: I've ever been to like an amusement park and like

3716
03:57:31,000 --> 03:57:33,040
Speaker 1: a like a line and they sometimes have them too

3717
03:57:34,520 --> 03:57:38,120
Speaker 1: sometimes in the like fruit and vegetables when there. But

3718
03:57:38,200 --> 03:57:48,440
Speaker 1: that's the only that's restaurants, not inside outside misters to

3719
03:57:48,840 --> 03:57:53,040
Speaker 1: make it if you're in Phoenix or somewhere, yeah, yeah, yeah,

3720
03:57:53,120 --> 03:57:54,960
Speaker 1: so I've got one of those. And you can find

3721
03:57:55,040 --> 03:57:56,760
Speaker 1: lots of ship by the way, like if you're if

3722
03:57:56,760 --> 03:58:00,600
Speaker 1: you live in a place that's gentrifying, like unfortunly has

3723
03:58:00,640 --> 03:58:03,160
Speaker 1: happened in the park San Diego I live in. Like like,

3724
03:58:03,280 --> 03:58:05,160
Speaker 1: for instance, all the wood for my chicken keeping pay

3725
03:58:05,160 --> 03:58:08,560
Speaker 1: for their ship. Like there's rich people doing stuff to houses.

3726
03:58:08,600 --> 03:58:10,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be done, just like obtain wood

3727
03:58:10,640 --> 03:58:17,440
Speaker 1: from their building sites. Yeah, and obtain it's it's it's

3728
03:58:17,480 --> 03:58:19,040
Speaker 1: like those powles of bricks, and they didn't want you

3729
03:58:19,080 --> 03:58:21,080
Speaker 1: to use them. They wouldn't leave it out there. Yeah,

3730
03:58:21,240 --> 03:58:22,920
Speaker 1: and why I would live with Warren have sent the

3731
03:58:22,920 --> 03:58:25,600
Speaker 1: pallets of bricks if you didn't want to use so

3732
03:58:26,440 --> 03:58:29,560
Speaker 1: uh yeah obviously, Like healthwise, like I said, you want

3733
03:58:29,600 --> 03:58:31,360
Speaker 1: to make sure you have that purple spray on hand.

3734
03:58:31,840 --> 03:58:35,720
Speaker 1: You want to be giving them some electrolytes and their water.

3735
03:58:35,920 --> 03:58:37,320
Speaker 1: You want to make sure they have shade if it's

3736
03:58:37,360 --> 03:58:39,880
Speaker 1: hot and their coop is warm, like they don't like

3737
03:58:39,960 --> 03:58:43,880
Speaker 1: it much below freezing. Like yeah, I keep like a

3738
03:58:43,960 --> 03:58:47,480
Speaker 1: heat lamp basically all winter in there with a red

3739
03:58:47,560 --> 03:58:51,680
Speaker 1: bulb so it doesn't like upset their their sleep patterns. Yeah. People,

3740
03:58:51,920 --> 03:58:54,160
Speaker 1: the way battery people do it, like battery chickens is

3741
03:58:54,240 --> 03:58:59,280
Speaker 1: they they they do more day night cycles using artificial

3742
03:58:59,360 --> 03:59:01,080
Speaker 1: light to to make the chickens lay more if you

3743
03:59:01,120 --> 03:59:02,800
Speaker 1: see what I mean, and the chickens will lay an

3744
03:59:02,800 --> 03:59:07,120
Speaker 1: accelerated rate. I'll keep them laying during the winter. Be

3745
03:59:07,400 --> 03:59:10,360
Speaker 1: doing that that's not particularly good for the birds. And

3746
03:59:10,680 --> 03:59:13,400
Speaker 1: I let them rest this winter. Yeah, let them. You

3747
03:59:13,520 --> 03:59:16,160
Speaker 1: know there their animals, they you know, they don't just

3748
03:59:16,240 --> 03:59:19,520
Speaker 1: exist to provide your food. Like a question on this,

3749
03:59:19,680 --> 03:59:23,200
Speaker 1: like how cold is there like a point it gets

3750
03:59:23,240 --> 03:59:25,480
Speaker 1: in the winter where it's like you probably shouldn't have them.

3751
03:59:26,280 --> 03:59:28,480
Speaker 1: We just want to keep the coup warm. And then

3752
03:59:29,000 --> 03:59:33,400
Speaker 1: like so like when we were at Tenacious Unicorn ranch,

3753
03:59:33,560 --> 03:59:37,120
Speaker 1: right and they have chickens. I don't know how cold

3754
03:59:37,120 --> 03:59:39,560
Speaker 1: it was, but I went to bed every night with

3755
03:59:39,680 --> 03:59:42,840
Speaker 1: analgene full of boiling water and when I woke up,

3756
03:59:42,880 --> 03:59:46,520
Speaker 1: I was hugging an ice baby like it was yeah,

3757
03:59:46,760 --> 03:59:49,040
Speaker 1: the heat so where I was staying and work the

3758
03:59:49,120 --> 03:59:52,240
Speaker 1: first time, so it was called a f and the

3759
03:59:52,320 --> 03:59:54,360
Speaker 1: chickens had a nice warm coupe with a heat lamp

3760
03:59:54,360 --> 03:59:56,920
Speaker 1: and they were fine. Yeah you can. I mean people

3761
03:59:57,040 --> 04:00:01,440
Speaker 1: keep chickens in every imaginable climates, so as long as

3762
04:00:01,520 --> 04:00:04,520
Speaker 1: you're careful about making sure you know that you have

3763
04:00:04,680 --> 04:00:07,400
Speaker 1: a warm place for them to sleep, they will be okay. Yeah,

3764
04:00:07,560 --> 04:00:09,480
Speaker 1: and you can can Can you let them out in

3765
04:00:09,520 --> 04:00:12,000
Speaker 1: the snow and stuff or should you? Yeah? You know,

3766
04:00:12,560 --> 04:00:15,240
Speaker 1: yeah they have fun with that. There's it's snowed yesterday

3767
04:00:15,280 --> 04:00:17,680
Speaker 1: and my chickens are having a great time out. Yeah,

3768
04:00:18,000 --> 04:00:20,480
Speaker 1: they like you actually, like they'll run like I remember

3769
04:00:20,480 --> 04:00:23,840
Speaker 1: at home this snow and yeah, and talks when you're

3770
04:00:23,840 --> 04:00:26,480
Speaker 1: buying the chickens, right, like, consider that in your breed choice,

3771
04:00:26,600 --> 04:00:29,240
Speaker 1: like something going to do, and they're going to do.

3772
04:00:29,360 --> 04:00:31,840
Speaker 1: Some of them are gonna not like heat and honestly,

3773
04:00:31,960 --> 04:00:33,880
Speaker 1: like one of the better things you can do in

3774
04:00:34,000 --> 04:00:36,040
Speaker 1: that situation. If you're like if I live in some

3775
04:00:36,280 --> 04:00:38,480
Speaker 1: weird ass part of the world where it's freezing half

3776
04:00:38,520 --> 04:00:43,480
Speaker 1: the time, just google like keeping backyard chickens whatever the

3777
04:00:43,600 --> 04:00:47,240
Speaker 1: name of your area is, and then Reddit and yeah,

3778
04:00:47,560 --> 04:00:50,160
Speaker 1: you will find people talking on yeah, yeah, I've gotten

3779
04:00:50,160 --> 04:00:51,520
Speaker 1: this is the this is the breed that I picked,

3780
04:00:51,560 --> 04:00:53,720
Speaker 1: and this is what I do, and people love to

3781
04:00:53,920 --> 04:00:56,440
Speaker 1: talk about the chicken. So yeah, brack your chickens read

3782
04:00:56,440 --> 04:00:59,080
Speaker 1: it was one of my resources exactly. It's a good

3783
04:00:59,120 --> 04:01:01,280
Speaker 1: place to look. And yeah, so if you have a

3784
04:01:01,280 --> 04:01:03,120
Speaker 1: cute you're gonna want to clean it, right, you can

3785
04:01:03,240 --> 04:01:06,320
Speaker 1: use that chicken pooper's fertilizers some of the best in

3786
04:01:06,400 --> 04:01:09,560
Speaker 1: the world. So then if you're if you're into this

3787
04:01:09,640 --> 04:01:12,000
Speaker 1: sort of you know, like growing your own food and

3788
04:01:12,160 --> 04:01:14,520
Speaker 1: this all works well, right, you give the chicken to scraps.

3789
04:01:14,600 --> 04:01:17,360
Speaker 1: Chickens make you eggs, a poop you put that into

3790
04:01:17,400 --> 04:01:19,360
Speaker 1: your plants. You have nice plants. You want to balance

3791
04:01:19,400 --> 04:01:21,440
Speaker 1: it out. It's a bit acidic, I think just using

3792
04:01:21,480 --> 04:01:24,040
Speaker 1: the ship, so you want to be combusting with other

3793
04:01:24,080 --> 04:01:27,080
Speaker 1: stuff as well, right, checking your soil chemistry before you

3794
04:01:27,200 --> 04:01:30,480
Speaker 1: sort of go ham But yes, you can do that.

3795
04:01:30,600 --> 04:01:32,480
Speaker 1: You do want to make sure. Yeah, I've got the

3796
04:01:32,520 --> 04:01:35,360
Speaker 1: poultry helpline. We spoke about that. California's is great though, Like,

3797
04:01:35,480 --> 04:01:39,080
Speaker 1: don't hesitate to call the poultry helpline if you need help,

3798
04:01:39,160 --> 04:01:42,040
Speaker 1: Like there's there's people who are being paid to help you,

3799
04:01:42,160 --> 04:01:45,600
Speaker 1: and that it's normally like I know, like most pet owners,

3800
04:01:45,920 --> 04:01:48,160
Speaker 1: unless they're very wealthy, will have had to make horrible

3801
04:01:48,200 --> 04:01:50,600
Speaker 1: decisions about their pets health versus their own income when

3802
04:01:50,760 --> 04:01:53,880
Speaker 1: when they've like you know, and it's it's ship. So

3803
04:01:54,160 --> 04:01:56,800
Speaker 1: that helpline is free, and like Robert said, it's because

3804
04:01:57,160 --> 04:02:00,360
Speaker 1: they're very scared of infectious diseases. So taken by mounteage

3805
04:02:00,400 --> 04:02:03,640
Speaker 1: of like your you know, taxpayer funded chicken fat. Yeah,

3806
04:02:04,120 --> 04:02:06,600
Speaker 1: give him a call. Um, I think I don't know

3807
04:02:06,720 --> 04:02:08,200
Speaker 1: he's hid every state, but I know it's a lot

3808
04:02:08,200 --> 04:02:12,320
Speaker 1: of them. And yeah, go ahead, Oh um, are you

3809
04:02:12,400 --> 04:02:16,040
Speaker 1: going to talk about U giving them, like the shake

3810
04:02:16,120 --> 04:02:19,880
Speaker 1: and bake treatment for uh what do you call it? Um?

3811
04:02:21,280 --> 04:02:25,360
Speaker 1: If they get uh mites? Oh yeah, yeah, go and

3812
04:02:25,480 --> 04:02:27,600
Speaker 1: go ahead and talk about it. So you know, chickens

3813
04:02:27,680 --> 04:02:29,760
Speaker 1: can get there's like a skin but it's it's it's

3814
04:02:30,360 --> 04:02:33,080
Speaker 1: it's functions similarly to like a skin infection. There's like

3815
04:02:33,160 --> 04:02:36,360
Speaker 1: little mites that will get on them. You'll notice bald patches.

3816
04:02:36,600 --> 04:02:39,280
Speaker 1: It can be I mean, it's bad for their health obviously,

3817
04:02:39,400 --> 04:02:41,720
Speaker 1: like you would not want to be covered in mites.

3818
04:02:42,240 --> 04:02:45,480
Speaker 1: And so there's um. There's this kind of mite killer

3819
04:02:45,560 --> 04:02:49,120
Speaker 1: called promethrin um and the way that you you can

3820
04:02:49,160 --> 04:02:50,760
Speaker 1: apply it in a number of ways, but you basically

3821
04:02:50,840 --> 04:02:53,280
Speaker 1: need to coat the entire chicken. It's essentially a white powder.

3822
04:02:53,600 --> 04:02:55,000
Speaker 1: So what we did when we had to do it

3823
04:02:55,120 --> 04:02:57,160
Speaker 1: is we just took a giant a large feedbag and

3824
04:02:57,240 --> 04:02:59,800
Speaker 1: we filled it with promethrin, and we we put the

3825
04:03:00,080 --> 04:03:01,480
Speaker 1: cans in it once at a time and just kind

3826
04:03:01,520 --> 04:03:03,560
Speaker 1: of like give them a little shake so they got covered.

3827
04:03:04,880 --> 04:03:06,840
Speaker 1: You've shaken baking all of them, and then they're just

3828
04:03:06,960 --> 04:03:10,080
Speaker 1: like wandering around confused and covered in this white powder.

3829
04:03:10,160 --> 04:03:14,080
Speaker 1: Like what the funk happened? It's very funny that it's

3830
04:03:14,240 --> 04:03:16,640
Speaker 1: very fun. Um. I mean, it's just it's the best

3831
04:03:16,680 --> 04:03:18,840
Speaker 1: way because they get covered very goodly that way. Like

3832
04:03:19,240 --> 04:03:22,520
Speaker 1: there's you know, with mites and dust and stuff. You

3833
04:03:22,560 --> 04:03:24,040
Speaker 1: do want to make sure that where they're living is

3834
04:03:24,120 --> 04:03:26,600
Speaker 1: not too moist or not too dusty. They can get

3835
04:03:26,840 --> 04:03:30,160
Speaker 1: respiratory conditions from that, so you don't, Yeah, you want

3836
04:03:30,200 --> 04:03:31,840
Speaker 1: to make sure that you know they're living in a

3837
04:03:31,920 --> 04:03:35,160
Speaker 1: nice environment and they also like the biggest health thing

3838
04:03:35,160 --> 04:03:36,520
Speaker 1: you're going to see is so they will peck at

3839
04:03:36,560 --> 04:03:38,480
Speaker 1: each other, right, especially when you first get your birds

3840
04:03:38,520 --> 04:03:41,040
Speaker 1: are gonna establish what it's called a pecking order, and

3841
04:03:41,360 --> 04:03:44,040
Speaker 1: which you know people have used, heard and use an advantage,

3842
04:03:44,280 --> 04:03:46,120
Speaker 1: an order in which they get well, I didn't know

3843
04:03:46,360 --> 04:03:50,040
Speaker 1: the meeting. I didn't understand what that meant completely until

3844
04:03:50,440 --> 04:03:54,440
Speaker 1: right now this moment. It's my gift to helpful today.

3845
04:03:54,480 --> 04:03:57,680
Speaker 1: It's a lot of a lot of learning. Yeah, it's

3846
04:03:57,720 --> 04:04:01,680
Speaker 1: what they call a knowledge transfer. The Yeah, so that

3847
04:04:01,760 --> 04:04:03,600
Speaker 1: they'll do that, they'll pick right, they'll establishing a when

3848
04:04:03,600 --> 04:04:05,160
Speaker 1: you get a new bird, you don't really want to

3849
04:04:05,160 --> 04:04:07,880
Speaker 1: introduce one new bird at once, right, So say this

3850
04:04:08,000 --> 04:04:10,680
Speaker 1: is how you get fucking conned into having bantams because

3851
04:04:10,760 --> 04:04:13,600
Speaker 1: Let's say your your garden can support four chickens, and

3852
04:04:13,680 --> 04:04:16,160
Speaker 1: then one of your girls dies and you're sad and

3853
04:04:16,240 --> 04:04:17,720
Speaker 1: you want to get more birds. So you're like, well,

3854
04:04:17,800 --> 04:04:20,280
Speaker 1: we can't, we can't go to five full size chickens.

3855
04:04:20,280 --> 04:04:23,000
Speaker 1: We'll get bantam for like two half sized chickens. And

3856
04:04:23,120 --> 04:04:25,320
Speaker 1: that that is good for the social dynamic because they

3857
04:04:25,360 --> 04:04:27,520
Speaker 1: weren't one won't get picked on, one won't be like

3858
04:04:27,600 --> 04:04:30,160
Speaker 1: the new girl, and then they pick on her. But

3859
04:04:30,240 --> 04:04:32,200
Speaker 1: then you've got bantams and then you you just I

3860
04:04:32,200 --> 04:04:34,960
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not no, it's not very pro bantam

3861
04:04:35,320 --> 04:04:39,040
Speaker 1: and they're just difficult. So how do they establish the

3862
04:04:39,080 --> 04:04:40,960
Speaker 1: pecking order? They pack at each other and peck at

3863
04:04:40,960 --> 04:04:44,080
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, and well basically one of the well

3864
04:04:44,120 --> 04:04:46,800
Speaker 1: it's just like any other, like physical confrontation, like they

3865
04:04:46,880 --> 04:04:48,520
Speaker 1: peck at each other and like, okay, well you're harder

3866
04:04:48,520 --> 04:04:50,520
Speaker 1: than me, Like I can't you know, I'm not here

3867
04:04:50,560 --> 04:04:54,120
Speaker 1: for that. The back down. Sometimes they will really start

3868
04:04:54,160 --> 04:04:56,000
Speaker 1: picking on one and then you do have to separate

3869
04:04:56,080 --> 04:04:58,680
Speaker 1: them for a while. Um, so I think that you've

3870
04:04:58,720 --> 04:05:00,120
Speaker 1: got to watch out for that. And you've got be

3871
04:05:00,200 --> 04:05:01,720
Speaker 1: venger and when you first get them, you're going to

3872
04:05:01,760 --> 04:05:03,440
Speaker 1: be excited and you're gonna want to go outside and

3873
04:05:03,480 --> 04:05:06,040
Speaker 1: they interact with him, so you know you'll be watching

3874
04:05:06,080 --> 04:05:08,480
Speaker 1: that anyway. So just make sure you have treats and

3875
04:05:08,520 --> 04:05:11,800
Speaker 1: stuff and separate them and don't be scared. They can't

3876
04:05:11,880 --> 04:05:15,160
Speaker 1: hurt you. They do chickens, but um yeah, it's normal

3877
04:05:15,160 --> 04:05:16,840
Speaker 1: oftenm to peck at each other. You've gotta keep an

3878
04:05:16,840 --> 04:05:19,280
Speaker 1: eye out for if they do draw blood. I said,

3879
04:05:19,280 --> 04:05:22,440
Speaker 1: they are fucking dinosaurs and they will just hone in

3880
04:05:22,520 --> 04:05:24,600
Speaker 1: on that. So that's when you have to separate them

3881
04:05:24,680 --> 04:05:28,040
Speaker 1: or come in with your purple spray. Um, So you

3882
04:05:28,080 --> 04:05:29,760
Speaker 1: just have to make sure that you're aware of that.

3883
04:05:29,920 --> 04:05:32,640
Speaker 1: And they pecked out your leg when it was bleeding,

3884
04:05:32,680 --> 04:05:36,280
Speaker 1: does that hurt a little bit? Like you wouldn't do

3885
04:05:36,400 --> 04:05:40,480
Speaker 1: it recreationally? Yeah? Many people would? You know? You not

3886
04:05:41,160 --> 04:05:44,760
Speaker 1: yu you're young? Yeah, if you are, if you are

3887
04:05:44,880 --> 04:05:49,760
Speaker 1: turned on exactly like it's not. They're not like like

3888
04:05:50,000 --> 04:05:54,280
Speaker 1: full body attack that I walk in every day to

3889
04:05:54,400 --> 04:05:56,680
Speaker 1: feed my chickens and I don't get pecked or anything

3890
04:05:56,880 --> 04:06:02,040
Speaker 1: like they're they're fine. Um then like attack animals and

3891
04:06:02,160 --> 04:06:04,280
Speaker 1: chickens by the way, or like every other creature, some

3892
04:06:04,480 --> 04:06:07,800
Speaker 1: of them are assholes, right, like any kind of animal

3893
04:06:07,880 --> 04:06:10,480
Speaker 1: that you have and any like just like people, some

3894
04:06:10,640 --> 04:06:15,240
Speaker 1: of them are dick I remember, like on that subject.

3895
04:06:15,280 --> 04:06:17,120
Speaker 1: I was a few years ago. I was writing about

3896
04:06:17,160 --> 04:06:20,800
Speaker 1: rattlesnake behavior for his story and there's this run fucking

3897
04:06:20,920 --> 04:06:23,560
Speaker 1: rattlesnake which literally every time I ride past it, it's

3898
04:06:23,600 --> 04:06:27,200
Speaker 1: just like bam, like fucking Like. I've talked to the

3899
04:06:27,240 --> 04:06:29,080
Speaker 1: snake behavior expert and he's like, yeah, man, that one's

3900
04:06:29,080 --> 04:06:32,760
Speaker 1: an asshole. Some of them are just chases. Don't know

3901
04:06:32,880 --> 04:06:35,560
Speaker 1: what to tell you, dude, You've just come across a

3902
04:06:35,600 --> 04:06:38,000
Speaker 1: bell end like it it is what it is. Um,

3903
04:06:38,840 --> 04:06:40,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you sometimes he's gonna have a chicken,

3904
04:06:40,800 --> 04:06:43,960
Speaker 1: which is mean. I just gotta hope that doesn't. You know,

3905
04:06:44,200 --> 04:06:45,880
Speaker 1: you gotta make your choice end, right if it's really

3906
04:06:45,920 --> 04:06:47,640
Speaker 1: causing chaos in the flock, Like, what are you gonna

3907
04:06:47,640 --> 04:06:50,960
Speaker 1: do with it? Yeah, that may be a chicken that

3908
04:06:51,040 --> 04:06:54,800
Speaker 1: you eat. Um. You know, one of the things you

3909
04:06:54,920 --> 04:06:58,600
Speaker 1: learned keeping chickens is how wildly we have fucked up

3910
04:06:58,640 --> 04:07:00,920
Speaker 1: the chickens that we use from me because like a

3911
04:07:01,040 --> 04:07:04,680
Speaker 1: normal chicken does not produce breast meat that is that size,

3912
04:07:05,160 --> 04:07:07,080
Speaker 1: like that is the size of like a normal grocery

3913
04:07:07,120 --> 04:07:10,080
Speaker 1: store chicken breast. Those are from monsters that we made. Well, yeah,

3914
04:07:10,120 --> 04:07:13,360
Speaker 1: that's like breast meat was popular, so they made that

3915
04:07:13,560 --> 04:07:15,880
Speaker 1: that like they inserted like a horbone or whatever to

3916
04:07:15,960 --> 04:07:18,280
Speaker 1: make that part of the chicken grow. And I mean

3917
04:07:18,640 --> 04:07:21,240
Speaker 1: I've seen videos of like the chicken toppling over because

3918
04:07:21,280 --> 04:07:25,200
Speaker 1: it's so heavy's not supposed to be. It's madness, it's

3919
04:07:25,240 --> 04:07:27,800
Speaker 1: so sad, and then jones are not fully developed, like

3920
04:07:27,840 --> 04:07:30,200
Speaker 1: it's very cruel, Like I am, yeah, it's sucked up. Yeah,

3921
04:07:30,640 --> 04:07:33,200
Speaker 1: I didn't eat meat, Like I'm not really like down

3922
04:07:33,280 --> 04:07:35,960
Speaker 1: with the way the American commercially agriculture raised animals at toy.

3923
04:07:36,080 --> 04:07:38,200
Speaker 1: I grew up on a farm. I raised animals my

3924
04:07:38,360 --> 04:07:42,280
Speaker 1: home with you, I agree touching Yeah, cheap, cheap meating

3925
04:07:42,320 --> 04:07:44,120
Speaker 1: the store. I understand. Other people do you got to

3926
04:07:44,120 --> 04:07:46,520
Speaker 1: feed your families whatever, And obviously one way or the other.

3927
04:07:46,560 --> 04:07:50,280
Speaker 1: If you're raising chickens, like and you at some point

3928
04:07:50,400 --> 04:07:52,240
Speaker 1: you know the chicken is going to die if at

3929
04:07:52,240 --> 04:07:53,840
Speaker 1: all possible, I think you do kind of have a

3930
04:07:53,920 --> 04:07:57,800
Speaker 1: responsibility to find some use for that meat. Yeah, it's

3931
04:07:57,840 --> 04:08:00,240
Speaker 1: just that that's sick. In which case, yeah, to see

3932
04:08:00,240 --> 04:08:01,680
Speaker 1: if they get like, yeah, I had to I had

3933
04:08:01,720 --> 04:08:04,240
Speaker 1: to kill two last year because they got like some

3934
04:08:04,360 --> 04:08:07,480
Speaker 1: sort of avian flu and the state people will come

3935
04:08:07,520 --> 04:08:09,400
Speaker 1: and take them away and do an autopsy if if

3936
04:08:09,400 --> 04:08:12,080
Speaker 1: they do get sick like that, and so that that's

3937
04:08:12,160 --> 04:08:14,040
Speaker 1: nice to know because then you have, you know, do

3938
04:08:14,160 --> 04:08:15,600
Speaker 1: I have to worry about the rest of my flock?

3939
04:08:15,800 --> 04:08:17,720
Speaker 1: You know what? What is this? Is there something in

3940
04:08:17,760 --> 04:08:20,480
Speaker 1: the soil? It's something I'm feeding them? You know, you

3941
04:08:20,600 --> 04:08:22,680
Speaker 1: can if you have concerns like that, it's nice to

3942
04:08:22,720 --> 04:08:25,320
Speaker 1: have them that that's really really good note. But yeah,

3943
04:08:25,400 --> 04:08:27,960
Speaker 1: you if you are responsible for them, like and you

3944
04:08:28,040 --> 04:08:29,440
Speaker 1: have to give them the best life they can and

3945
04:08:29,560 --> 04:08:32,320
Speaker 1: the kind of death, and you know you're responsible to

3946
04:08:32,360 --> 04:08:34,400
Speaker 1: the suffering as little as possible in their little lives.

3947
04:08:34,520 --> 04:08:35,920
Speaker 1: We used to buy chickens when I was a kid

3948
04:08:36,000 --> 04:08:38,920
Speaker 1: from a guy who bread chickens for a battery farm,

3949
04:08:39,080 --> 04:08:41,040
Speaker 1: and we'd go and get them as chicks and just

3950
04:08:41,120 --> 04:08:42,840
Speaker 1: be like you you you you you are going to

3951
04:08:42,960 --> 04:08:44,720
Speaker 1: run around our farm. Will don't have a wonderful life,

3952
04:08:44,760 --> 04:08:46,160
Speaker 1: And I'm so sorry the rest of you have this

3953
04:08:46,280 --> 04:08:50,400
Speaker 1: fucking horrible existence. But it's nice to save some of them.

3954
04:08:50,440 --> 04:08:52,760
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be hard to get chickens right now.

3955
04:08:53,360 --> 04:08:56,040
Speaker 1: So my last thing was really like, when you're buying chickens,

3956
04:08:56,120 --> 04:08:58,160
Speaker 1: right where you're gonna get your chickens from, and so

3957
04:08:58,240 --> 04:09:00,240
Speaker 1: hopefully you know where you live you have a farm,

3958
04:09:00,280 --> 04:09:04,400
Speaker 1: shall steal them? Liberate them from a battery farm? Shoot

3959
04:09:04,440 --> 04:09:09,760
Speaker 1: your way in it. It doesn't it's worth it. They

3960
04:09:10,280 --> 04:09:13,520
Speaker 1: will probably. Well, I actually think people have literally gotten

3961
04:09:13,520 --> 04:09:15,800
Speaker 1: to munchy terrorism charges for that. But well I think

3962
04:09:15,840 --> 04:09:19,480
Speaker 1: it's pigs, wasn't it that they go? Yeah, yeah, chickens

3963
04:09:19,520 --> 04:09:23,000
Speaker 1: are not charismatic enough for people to go to prison over. Yeah,

3964
04:09:23,480 --> 04:09:26,760
Speaker 1: I know it's unfair, it's unfair. It's racism. Really. Yeah,

3965
04:09:26,920 --> 04:09:28,560
Speaker 1: there's one thing we could tell you, as a group

3966
04:09:28,640 --> 04:09:34,000
Speaker 1: of individuals legally responsible for what we say, I'm yourself

3967
04:09:34,080 --> 04:09:39,280
Speaker 1: and liberate poultry. Yeah, fight your way in like like

3968
04:09:39,480 --> 04:09:43,400
Speaker 1: the only not the only, but the most concrete evidence

3969
04:09:43,440 --> 04:09:46,680
Speaker 1: of like dinosaurs have like now devolved into these chickens,

3970
04:09:46,720 --> 04:09:48,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that is so funny

3971
04:09:48,240 --> 04:09:50,360
Speaker 1: to me that out of all the animals, that is

3972
04:09:50,400 --> 04:09:54,560
Speaker 1: the closest thing we have to a dinosaur and dinosaurs

3973
04:09:54,640 --> 04:09:57,040
Speaker 1: and again, their favorite food is their own kind and

3974
04:09:57,120 --> 04:10:00,160
Speaker 1: also like like they will like every now and then

3975
04:10:00,200 --> 04:10:02,240
Speaker 1: I will give them some of their eggs just because

3976
04:10:02,320 --> 04:10:04,000
Speaker 1: it makes them so happy to eat. Well, I was

3977
04:10:04,040 --> 04:10:06,480
Speaker 1: gonna ask, like what you said that it tasted different

3978
04:10:06,520 --> 04:10:08,520
Speaker 1: when you gave them meat, Like what is the difference

3979
04:10:08,560 --> 04:10:10,200
Speaker 1: that you caught in the taste when they do eat

3980
04:10:10,240 --> 04:10:12,440
Speaker 1: their own eggs versus like just the feed. Oh no,

3981
04:10:12,480 --> 04:10:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean their their own eggs, don't. I've never fed

3982
04:10:15,000 --> 04:10:16,800
Speaker 1: them enough for it to be a meaningful component of

3983
04:10:16,880 --> 04:10:20,560
Speaker 1: their diet. They will eat scrambled eggs and cheese. They

3984
04:10:20,640 --> 04:10:23,200
Speaker 1: like to know when they're sick. Can you can you

3985
04:10:23,440 --> 04:10:27,000
Speaker 1: like taste a difference if you give them herbs? So

3986
04:10:27,200 --> 04:10:28,840
Speaker 1: like one thing that people do is give them little

3987
04:10:28,880 --> 04:10:33,160
Speaker 1: bundles of herbs and you can taste that in the egg. Yeah,

3988
04:10:33,520 --> 04:10:36,280
Speaker 1: it's just kind of richer, you know. When you it's

3989
04:10:36,400 --> 04:10:38,720
Speaker 1: like you'll notice different, like if you if they are

3990
04:10:38,840 --> 04:10:42,440
Speaker 1: calcium deficient, the eggs are really fragile, and if they

3991
04:10:42,520 --> 04:10:44,400
Speaker 1: have a shipload of calcium in their diet, like my

3992
04:10:44,520 --> 04:10:47,560
Speaker 1: eggs are, like you have to like you have to

3993
04:10:47,680 --> 04:10:52,400
Speaker 1: want to crack those fuckers. If you feed the flax seeds,

3994
04:10:52,520 --> 04:10:55,120
Speaker 1: then the eggs have a higher Amiga three content like you,

3995
04:10:56,640 --> 04:10:59,560
Speaker 1: it makes sense. It's super interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah you can.

3996
04:10:59,840 --> 04:11:01,680
Speaker 1: You can give them flax seats and like that kind

3997
04:11:01,720 --> 04:11:03,840
Speaker 1: of thing. You can mess with their diet bit and

3998
04:11:03,880 --> 04:11:07,200
Speaker 1: they they like that stuff. So yeah, when you're buying them,

3999
04:11:07,360 --> 04:11:09,120
Speaker 1: what you want, I think is a beginner is like

4000
04:11:09,160 --> 04:11:11,880
Speaker 1: a point of labored and you can say point of

4001
04:11:12,000 --> 04:11:14,080
Speaker 1: lay and that that's what they'll give you. Know that

4002
04:11:14,160 --> 04:11:15,600
Speaker 1: they're going to try and give you pullets sort of

4003
04:11:15,640 --> 04:11:17,360
Speaker 1: going to try and say it's nice to raise chicks,

4004
04:11:17,480 --> 04:11:19,480
Speaker 1: but and it is. It's really nice to raise chicks,

4005
04:11:19,520 --> 04:11:21,200
Speaker 1: but some of them will die and that will be

4006
04:11:21,440 --> 04:11:26,520
Speaker 1: upsetting for you, and um, it's hard because work. That's

4007
04:11:26,520 --> 04:11:29,840
Speaker 1: a general note any lifetime. If you if you decide

4008
04:11:29,880 --> 04:11:32,080
Speaker 1: that you want to be a person who has livestock,

4009
04:11:32,640 --> 04:11:34,680
Speaker 1: you have to be okay with them dying and it

4010
04:11:34,800 --> 04:11:37,200
Speaker 1: being an experience that is more direct to you than

4011
04:11:37,320 --> 04:11:40,040
Speaker 1: like obviously it's it's not as emotional as like when

4012
04:11:40,080 --> 04:11:43,160
Speaker 1: a catterat dog dies, but it will not involve a

4013
04:11:43,240 --> 04:11:45,800
Speaker 1: vet with the kind of frequency that like a dying

4014
04:11:45,960 --> 04:11:48,880
Speaker 1: pet does, like you will have to deal with, you know,

4015
04:11:48,960 --> 04:11:51,920
Speaker 1: animals die because animals just die. Sometimes they wind up

4016
04:11:51,960 --> 04:11:53,760
Speaker 1: with the same kind of ailments people have for like

4017
04:11:53,840 --> 04:11:55,960
Speaker 1: an animals herd will give out or something, and you

4018
04:11:56,040 --> 04:11:58,720
Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong. It's just an animal was born

4019
04:11:59,080 --> 04:12:01,560
Speaker 1: with a heart effect. Right, It's just like a thing

4020
04:12:01,640 --> 04:12:05,080
Speaker 1: that occurs if you have enough animals. Yeah, we used

4021
04:12:05,080 --> 04:12:06,920
Speaker 1: to say, if you have livestock, you have dead stock

4022
04:12:07,000 --> 04:12:09,520
Speaker 1: one day. Yeah, like it's just something you have to

4023
04:12:09,560 --> 04:12:12,160
Speaker 1: face up to. But like someone else is already doing

4024
04:12:12,240 --> 04:12:14,160
Speaker 1: that ship and they're probably doing it with less compassion

4025
04:12:14,200 --> 04:12:16,360
Speaker 1: than you think. You're buying, you know, warm out eggs.

4026
04:12:16,400 --> 04:12:19,880
Speaker 1: So you let I say you you can't, You're not God,

4027
04:12:20,040 --> 04:12:22,600
Speaker 1: but like you owe these animals like a decent life,

4028
04:12:22,640 --> 04:12:25,320
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's a little suffering as you can. So yeah,

4029
04:12:25,360 --> 04:12:28,080
Speaker 1: by the point of leg chickens, make sure that their

4030
04:12:28,080 --> 04:12:30,400
Speaker 1: sex right you you don't want to restie. You might

4031
04:12:30,440 --> 04:12:33,120
Speaker 1: not legally be able to have a rooster. And then

4032
04:12:33,440 --> 04:12:35,400
Speaker 1: something like a dog container. It's fine. I brought them

4033
04:12:35,440 --> 04:12:38,400
Speaker 1: home in a shoe box before, Like I'll just put

4034
04:12:38,480 --> 04:12:40,800
Speaker 1: them next to me in my truck and they're pretty

4035
04:12:40,840 --> 04:12:42,680
Speaker 1: chill that you know, give them, give them a little

4036
04:12:42,680 --> 04:12:44,800
Speaker 1: bit of water in there, but generally they don't You

4037
04:12:45,080 --> 04:12:47,360
Speaker 1: want to drink. You can kind of swaddle them. I've

4038
04:12:47,360 --> 04:12:50,440
Speaker 1: seen people swaddle them, um, you know if they're really

4039
04:12:50,520 --> 04:12:52,960
Speaker 1: panicking or whatever. And swaddling is like when you wrap

4040
04:12:53,080 --> 04:12:57,040
Speaker 1: them like you would with a baby, and people do that,

4041
04:12:57,120 --> 04:12:58,240
Speaker 1: I know, when they have to move them in like

4042
04:12:58,320 --> 04:13:01,040
Speaker 1: a hurricane to try and calm them down. It. I've

4043
04:13:01,040 --> 04:13:03,760
Speaker 1: always just put them in a dog container. Are we

4044
04:13:03,800 --> 04:13:07,640
Speaker 1: going to talk about storing eggs? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

4045
04:13:07,640 --> 04:13:10,640
Speaker 1: because people don't. Yeah, it's a weird American thing. Yeah,

4046
04:13:11,800 --> 04:13:13,440
Speaker 1: so this doesn't happen in the rest of the world

4047
04:13:13,520 --> 04:13:17,600
Speaker 1: that you guys get your eggs refrigerated, and that's because

4048
04:13:17,640 --> 04:13:21,040
Speaker 1: they're washed before they come to Yeah, you don't need

4049
04:13:21,120 --> 04:13:25,280
Speaker 1: to do this normally. No, you shouldn't wash your eggs,

4050
04:13:25,480 --> 04:13:28,680
Speaker 1: nor should you refrigerate them. Just I have a little

4051
04:13:28,720 --> 04:13:31,600
Speaker 1: helter skelter thing, and it just looks like a spiral, right,

4052
04:13:31,680 --> 04:13:32,960
Speaker 1: and you put the egg on the top and it

4053
04:13:33,040 --> 04:13:34,720
Speaker 1: just rolls its little way down and it gets to

4054
04:13:34,800 --> 04:13:36,800
Speaker 1: the bottom, and that way I always take them from

4055
04:13:36,800 --> 04:13:39,840
Speaker 1: the bottom. That way, I'm always sort of getting the

4056
04:13:40,000 --> 04:13:42,280
Speaker 1: oldest eggs first, so I don't end up with like

4057
04:13:42,360 --> 04:13:44,320
Speaker 1: one at the bottom of the basket. Right, So you

4058
04:13:44,400 --> 04:13:47,400
Speaker 1: don't them, No, just just bring it in, not until

4059
04:13:47,400 --> 04:13:49,880
Speaker 1: you're ready to eat them. Obviously, wash them before you

4060
04:13:50,160 --> 04:13:52,240
Speaker 1: cook them, because some of them will have poop and

4061
04:13:52,320 --> 04:13:55,320
Speaker 1: stuff on them right right before that. Just keep them

4062
04:13:55,360 --> 04:13:57,240
Speaker 1: normal and then the last for months like that, like

4063
04:13:58,400 --> 04:14:01,040
Speaker 1: egg there there you can there are a couple of

4064
04:14:01,120 --> 04:14:03,640
Speaker 1: other ways to Obviously you could pickle them, be very

4065
04:14:03,800 --> 04:14:06,720
Speaker 1: careful with that. If you are canning them, Um, I

4066
04:14:06,760 --> 04:14:09,000
Speaker 1: would recommend just pickling them and putting them in the

4067
04:14:09,080 --> 04:14:13,320
Speaker 1: fridge because eggs in like hard boiled eggs in particular,

4068
04:14:13,400 --> 04:14:15,680
Speaker 1: are troublesome to can because there's always if you think

4069
04:14:15,680 --> 04:14:17,400
Speaker 1: about hard boiled eggs, there's always like a little bit

4070
04:14:17,480 --> 04:14:21,400
Speaker 1: of cracks and like the white of the egg, and

4071
04:14:21,720 --> 04:14:24,920
Speaker 1: that is where botulism can live. So be extremely careful

4072
04:14:24,960 --> 04:14:28,560
Speaker 1: if you're pickling eggs. Um, just I would recommend don't

4073
04:14:28,920 --> 04:14:32,120
Speaker 1: like you know, can them specifically, just pickle them and

4074
04:14:32,160 --> 04:14:33,840
Speaker 1: put them in the fridge and you know, the less

4075
04:14:33,880 --> 04:14:36,920
Speaker 1: a pretty good amount of time. Yeah, pickled eggs are delicious. Yeah.

4076
04:14:37,760 --> 04:14:40,040
Speaker 1: Is the is the thing about not refrigerating the eggs.

4077
04:14:40,160 --> 04:14:43,280
Speaker 1: So do you actually still have to refrigerate like if

4078
04:14:43,320 --> 04:14:46,040
Speaker 1: you use in the store. If yes, you can in

4079
04:14:46,120 --> 04:14:49,200
Speaker 1: this country. Yes, you can roll them in vegetable oil

4080
04:14:49,360 --> 04:14:53,240
Speaker 1: and I think ash, which replicates the way that they

4081
04:14:53,280 --> 04:14:58,160
Speaker 1: have a membrane on that, but very intent if you're

4082
04:14:58,200 --> 04:15:01,080
Speaker 1: buying the membrane them, yes, yeah, when they come out

4083
04:15:01,160 --> 04:15:04,520
Speaker 1: like a little pole basically yeah, like it's kind of

4084
04:15:04,560 --> 04:15:06,640
Speaker 1: fills to pull something outside the ag I think because

4085
04:15:06,640 --> 04:15:09,720
Speaker 1: I understand it. So if you really wanted to store them,

4086
04:15:09,760 --> 04:15:11,600
Speaker 1: you didn't have access to refrigerator, you could do the

4087
04:15:12,160 --> 04:15:14,640
Speaker 1: actual thing. You should look it up. The other thing

4088
04:15:14,720 --> 04:15:17,200
Speaker 1: you can do that is because again, if you have

4089
04:15:17,520 --> 04:15:20,480
Speaker 1: any quantity of chickens, there's a good chance that they

4090
04:15:20,520 --> 04:15:25,040
Speaker 1: will produce, like I have a problem with this, significantly

4091
04:15:25,120 --> 04:15:27,840
Speaker 1: more eggs than you can consume. An interesting way, are

4092
04:15:27,840 --> 04:15:30,760
Speaker 1: you gonna talk about water glassing? Oh? You talk about

4093
04:15:30,760 --> 04:15:33,800
Speaker 1: it there? Yeah, that you can look like, look it up.

4094
04:15:33,800 --> 04:15:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you a guide over this,

4095
04:15:35,360 --> 04:15:38,400
Speaker 1: because preserving stuff is something that you should take care on.

4096
04:15:38,520 --> 04:15:40,720
Speaker 1: But you can google water glassing. It's basically a way

4097
04:15:40,760 --> 04:15:42,440
Speaker 1: you can keep eggs for like up to a year.

4098
04:15:42,680 --> 04:15:46,880
Speaker 1: That way um in like crackable friable condition. But I

4099
04:15:47,000 --> 04:15:49,080
Speaker 1: think we are getting the note that James and I

4100
04:15:49,160 --> 04:15:55,040
Speaker 1: should stop talking about chickens for now. Continue in another episode.

4101
04:15:55,680 --> 04:15:58,480
Speaker 1: James and I will talk about chickens privately after this.

4102
04:15:58,640 --> 04:16:01,000
Speaker 1: And you are you aren't pretty? James said it. People

4103
04:16:01,040 --> 04:16:05,400
Speaker 1: love to talk about their chickens. They do talk about Yeah,

4104
04:16:05,720 --> 04:16:10,600
Speaker 1: maybe let's start a side podcast for Patreon reasons, Chicken Cast,

4105
04:16:10,920 --> 04:16:16,240
Speaker 1: Chicken Cast Anyway, poultry Pod. Until next time, take a

4106
04:16:16,320 --> 04:16:19,560
Speaker 1: lesson from the chickens and eat your own young Okay,

4107
04:16:19,680 --> 04:16:25,720
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4108
04:16:25,800 --> 04:16:28,440
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