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Speaker 1: We're back. I'm Drew McCarry and I'm David Roth and

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Speaker 1: listen to see I by blending cultures. Very difficult for

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Speaker 1: two people. Not difficult for me because I'm jamaking my heart.

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Speaker 1: I'm a rasta and deep down on my soul, I'm

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Speaker 1: a raster dead as I believe it. I believe it,

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Speaker 1: But I will say you didn't want to revoke my

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Speaker 1: black hard When we met and I told you I

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Speaker 1: had never seen Friday. Oh, I forgot that. You told

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Speaker 1: me that. I almost stopped talking to you almost. I

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Speaker 1: was like, what you like? This girl is not cultured

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Speaker 1: dead ass. Hey, I'm Cade and I've and we're the

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Speaker 1: You may know us from posting funny videos with our

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Speaker 1: boys and reading each other publicly as a form of therapy,

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Speaker 1: but I'm making me deby most days. Wow and one

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Speaker 1: more important thing to mention we're married, Yes, sir, we are.

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Speaker 1: We created this podcast to open dialogue about some of

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Speaker 1: live's most taboo topics, things most folks don't want to

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Speaker 1: talk about through the lens of a millennial married couple.

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Speaker 1: Dead ass is a term that we say every day.

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Speaker 1: Where we say dead ass, we're actually saying facts. One hunt,

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Speaker 1: the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Speaker 1: We're about to take Phillow's off to a whole new level.

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Speaker 1: Dead ask starts now. I remember one of the first

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Speaker 1: because when you're not in West Indian culture and you

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Speaker 1: I remember your father's friend call Yo just screaming at

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, you're about to fight. But no, that's

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Speaker 1: that's just how they they arguing debate like they've never

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Speaker 1: You know, your father's friends. You know, we're saying stuff like,

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Speaker 1: of asking me, like why you know, like your generation,

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Speaker 1: you know, like your generation, your generation is your generation.

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Speaker 1: So they thought it was you as a black American,

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Speaker 1: younger Americans in general, right, and a little bit in general,

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Speaker 1: young man. And that's where I feel like my relationship

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Speaker 1: arguing effectively and debating, And at this point, I think

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Speaker 1: learned a lot about each other. One love, one heart.

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Speaker 1: Let's get together and feel all right. Yes, give thanks

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Speaker 1: Let's get together and feel all right. Let's get together, folks. Yes,

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Speaker 1: one love, one of them culture, One love shout out

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Speaker 1: to Bob, one of the greatest humans to ever walk

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Speaker 1: and I have the three little bird tattooed. Yes, right there,

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Speaker 1: But the context of something of somebody, we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: And I told him I got a scholarship to play football.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, my my grandparents are from Orangeburg, South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: foresee that you're going to be a minority. And that's

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00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: and I think that's where the disconnect comes from Caribbean

428
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: Americans excuse me, Caribbean blacks versus American blacks. Because if

429
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: you're not dealing with that type of systematic oppression back

430
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: in your homeland and then you come to America and

431
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: just like all these black people aren't willing to do this.

432
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: I'll do this right. It's kind of like you don't

433
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: have the knowledge of the history of what has gone on.

434
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: And as a Black American, I can't blame someone from

435
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: another country for not knowing our history because there are

436
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: people in this country who don't know our history. If

437
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: I didn't go to Bethlehem Baptist Academy, right, I wouldn't

438
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: have learned about slavery. I wouldn't have learned about Jim Crow.

439
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: And shout out to my mom, who is like, my

440
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: mom has been so inspirational when it comes to me

441
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: being socially conscious because my mom was one of the

442
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: first classes that was integrated into James Madison High School. Yes,

443
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: in the seventies. She was busting, Yeah, she was busting

444
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: from Crown Heist Brooklyn, busting all the way to Avenue

445
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: p and they were chased out by bats and chains

446
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: almost every day her first two years in high school

447
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: during integration, which is crazy because those are stories that

448
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 1: people act like was so long ago. And then when

449
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 1: a West Indian person come in and say that black

450
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: people are lazy, it's like, are you fucking kidding me?

451
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: My mother and father. First example, could have it with

452
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: your mom, because your mom would be like, let me

453
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: tell you right now. If that conversation happened, if your

454
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: dad and his friends and my mom was there, my

455
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: mother would have lost her money. My mother, my mother

456
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: would have lost her mine and been like, devout, get

457
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: your ship and let's go. Because that's that. She's that

458
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: she feels that strongly about education. Should you know, she

459
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: works for opportunity. She has now and she she loves

460
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: her community. But she's always big on understanding black culture.

461
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: She's always the first one to text us remember to

462
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: vote today or you know it's it's primary elections. So

463
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: she takes her opportunity to be able to vote and

464
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: be active in your community and take a stance and

465
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: be able to tell your local officials what it is

466
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: you want. And needy, I mean, she's start writing off

467
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: names and districts and who you got. She knows all

468
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: the assemblymen, she knows all of the local governments. And

469
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: that's because she's been doti in the movement itself, active

470
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: in the movement. So you know, it's all about showing

471
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: compassion for each other as cultures. And you know, we

472
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: always I feel like after that discussion, have been able

473
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: to really just join together and really appreciate who we are,

474
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: where we've come from. You know, I'm super proud of

475
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: my heritage being you know, from the from the West Indies,

476
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: and you know, Devout is totally like you said, DeVito

477
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: looks at any opportunity to let people know how West

478
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: Indian he is. I feel like I feel like I'm

479
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: a RAS the hard Honestly, do feel like I'm wrong.

480
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: Some of y'all have seen it. If you haven't, you

481
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: have to check out the vlogs that we have on

482
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: YouTube where we chronicle us going to Jamaica for my

483
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: thirty fifth birthday, which was epic. Okay, it was epic

484
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: on so many levels. We had thirty of my friends

485
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: and family who actually came out and um, you know,

486
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: we took our children out there with us as well,

487
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: of course, because it was a milestone for me. But

488
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: I look for any opportunity I can get to make

489
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: sure our kids know where they come from, because they

490
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: got to know where the hell they go in and

491
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: going to Jamaica with them was nice to you on

492
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: the beach and on the resort and everything. But after

493
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: those festivities were over, We made sure that we a

494
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: lott of time in our in our schedule itinerary to

495
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: take them off the resort to go into Kingston, to

496
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: go to the Bob Marley Museum for example, just the show,

497
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, because Jackson will always listen to his music

498
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: and Cairo. You know, I think Cairo is a lost Marley.

499
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: Ye think, definitely he is. But we took them down

500
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: there and it was an educational experience for Jackson to

501
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: just see a different part of Jamaica that's not all

502
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: the glitz and not all the glamour and the beaches

503
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: and the resorts and the room service, but seeing you know,

504
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: people who are just walking the street day to day

505
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: and you know, getting some background on Bob Marley and

506
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: what he did, and I know that documentary that we

507
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: watched their really kind of I think we all felt something. Yeah,

508
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: I felt so connected to Bob. It sounds, but it

509
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: feels like his spirit still existed and it's it's in

510
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: his home literally, so you you feel it so much

511
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: because you actually get to walk the grounds that Bob

512
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: Marley walked and created so much content in music, and

513
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: then you get to see the bullet holes from where

514
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: they tried to assassinate him, And to me, having children

515
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: made it that much more important for us to understand

516
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: each other's culture because I have to be able to

517
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: teach my children, my boys, about mom's culture the same

518
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: way I gotta teach about Dad's culture. And going to

519
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: going to the museum and having watching their eyes as

520
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: they looked around, and then Jackson quoting the numbers of

521
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: how many children and how long he you know, he

522
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: was on earth and when he died, and it's like, wow,

523
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: he's really learning. But think about it. You know, how

524
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: many people from Brooklyn have probably never been out of Brooklyn.

525
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: How many kids who were born in the States who

526
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: have West Indian parents or coming from else have never

527
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: seen And that's and I think it's important when you're

528
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: blending cultures to take them back to where because I

529
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: learned about even when we went to Elsha and it's

530
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: funny because it's spelled h E l h E l

531
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: L s h I r E and I was like,

532
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: we're going to hell Shire. Look at I was like,

533
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: we're going to hell Shire. Can you can you take

534
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: it to hell Shire Beach? And I was like to

535
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: vow drop, Yeah, you know, I learned this in Jamaican culture.

536
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: Any word that begins with H, take it off. Any

537
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: any word that don't have no vowels, you add a

538
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: H that has the vowel. Yes. So if you're gonna,

539
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: if you're gonna, if you're gonna eat food to eat it,

540
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: you gotta eat food to heat it, right, you see

541
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: how you see what grandfather was like? Great with that

542
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: you must heat food to eat it. Eating you don't

543
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, don't eat yet, you know, don't eat yet.

544
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: Heat be like okay, Grandpa, ready, heat it up the

545
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: food and I'm gonna eat it now. But then I

546
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: know I love it so devout, totally assimilated. Yeah, And

547
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: we were on the beach front and you see all

548
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: of these people who stereotypically you see them right, and

549
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: post people would be scared because you hear all these

550
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: stories of out Kingston and Jamaica. And I watched the times.

551
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: I watched for a whole summer every day. So that's

552
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies of all time. Big You're

553
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: Gone Too Far? Um, that's one of my favorite movies.

554
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: So you and this banana, don't you ever? If I said,

555
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: which was so impressive to me, I was like, you

556
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: watched Daters, but I didn't see Friday or like the

557
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: Last Dragon, or I would never really used to listen

558
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: to like rap, I don't even know who you are.

559
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: She she didn't listen to wrap what was going on

560
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: in your house? Beg and soca all the time. I

561
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: am at that because you know how to work that

562
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: wast but plenty waste pelting. Yes, So so we go,

563
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: we go to Elsha and we pull up in a van. Case.

564
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: Dad is first of all, he's like the mayor everywhere

565
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: we go. He knows people, and this is what this

566
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: is what I love about his spirit. Right, one time

567
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: I had to drop him in land somewhere and yeah,

568
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: your dad, right, So he's he's sixty plus years old, right,

569
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: and he's like, y'all needed you to drop me here.

570
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: So the address isn't picking in Brownsville. So I don't

571
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: know if you guys noticed, but Brownsville is like the

572
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: hood of the hood of Brooklyn. So I'm like, yo, Pops,

573
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: you sure this is where you're supposed to go, right,

574
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: And he's like yeah, Like why, I'm like, why why

575
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: am I dropping you to browns Ville? So we pull

576
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: up into Brownsville, and I know people in Brownsville because

577
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm un the mentorship program in East New York and Brownsville,

578
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: and the football team that we partnered with was in

579
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 1: Brownsville on Mother Gaskin. So I see some of these

580
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: dudes and I'm like, Yo, these dudes, dudes, I know that,

581
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, they bang hard. So then your pops get

582
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: out the car, mad smooth right here looking around, and

583
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: then out here yo, Joe, Joe, and then he gives

584
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: he put his hands up, and all these young dudes

585
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: got their hands up at your pops like, yo, Joe,

586
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: comes true, Come true. And then he looked at me

587
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: and he's just like all right, I'm good. I'm good,

588
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm good. And he walking to this little basement party

589
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: where all these young dudes. I'm like, yo, your father

590
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: is he really is. And y'all have to watch that

591
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: blog because you will see my father turn up like

592
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: no other, like he wants to know where we were going,

593
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: what the next move was. Every step of the way.

594
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: Party was amazing. He just had his drink covered because

595
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: he always has his drinking hand and he's just chilling.

596
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: So so when in Jamaica, we pull up to Elisha

597
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: and the same thing. A bunch of young dudes come

598
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: up to the events slowly. And what I found out

599
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: about the culture is that's their way of getting tourists

600
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: and getting people to come to their restaurant. They have

601
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: people at the door that greet them. Now it's not

602
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: like the States where they greet you with a tuxedo

603
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: and shoes on. They have one shorts, you know what

604
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They're smoking, you know what I'm saying. They

605
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: come through and they're like, yo yo, yo yo, want

606
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: to fish, you want fish, wish fresh fresh, labster that.

607
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: So then you know, Pops is in the front and

608
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: the driver knows that one of your father's great friend, Linley,

609
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: he you know, he knows the guy. So they drive

610
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: us through. We following through this dark alley. It's not

611
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: to get dark now, and we pull out and it's

612
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of huts and you see people sitting outside

613
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: and they're looking at us. You know, we're looking at them,

614
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I'm always comfortable in

615
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: those type of situations as long as if you don't know,

616
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: if you don't know, the cultures intimidating. So you know,

617
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: we say a lot to everybody, what's up? What's up?

618
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: And then we're going in and they start pulling out

619
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: fish from the cooler that they just fished from the

620
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: ocean outside, just caught them. So they're like fresh fresh,

621
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: and that's always the best way to have it. Shout

622
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: out to a mill seafood restaurant. Food was bombed and

623
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: they treated us so nice, the kindest people, and the

624
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: food was fucking bomb lobster fish, it was bomb. You

625
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: have a nice red stripe and the kids are running

626
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 1: around with a bunch of other kids outside, and I'm like, yo,

627
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: like this is the part of the culture that we

628
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: don't ever get to see. You know what I'm saying,

629
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: Because when you live in the States, you get character

630
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: caricatures of other people's culture. The same way when you

631
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: live in Jamaica, you get caricatures of what you think

632
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: the States people are. And it's not till you break

633
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: it down to its purest form you realize how pure

634
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: and nice we all are as people. Because my dad,

635
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, I said he was from St. Vincent I

636
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: think Vincentian people are some of the most genuine, just

637
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: all around sweet, like good people. So you know, I

638
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: was a little disheartened at first when I know that

639
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: you had this conversation with my dad and I saw

640
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: that you were bothered by it because I know my

641
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: father means no harm and he really does not have

642
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: a mean soul in his body, you know, Um yeah,

643
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: he does not. Like he does he loves everybody. So

644
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: first for you to have felt like I'm being attacked

645
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: and these people are calling my people, you know, lazy

646
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: and whatever it was, it really was just for lack

647
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: of knowledge and understanding. It's crazy how ignorance is when

648
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: blending any culture, regardless of what it is. It's crazy

649
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: how sometimes just ignorance and not knowing can completely create

650
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: a divide. And once you break that down, it's a

651
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: amazing how you can see things just flourish. Wow. But

652
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: it was it was like a great experience going there.

653
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: And we have to go to St. Vincent next. I

654
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: know you've been to St. Vincent with Tiffany on your own.

655
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: I went with my girlfriend with a little country trips.

656
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Saint Vincent is such a beautiful island

657
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: and I think it's super underrated. Um, but it's a

658
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: beautiful island and the St. Vincent and the Grenadines, so

659
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: they're surrounding islands. And it's funny because when I was

660
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 1: in St. Vincent with Tiffany, I took her just because

661
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, a girl's trip. I was like,

662
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: let's try here, you know, And at first I was

663
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: kind of my mom at first was like, oh my god,

664
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: why would you go to Saint Vincent. There's like not

665
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: much to do there if you're looking for activity. But

666
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: this was a mommy trip, so we were looking to

667
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: go and just kind of chill and veg out on

668
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: the beach um and then I tell you, it's beautiful,

669
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: and Tiffany keeps asking me when are we going to

670
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: go back there? Surrounding islands, so the Grenadines around St. Vincent.

671
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: So we took a boat over to beck Way, which

672
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: is another island that also has beautiful um. We wanted

673
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: to go to Mistique, but then we couldn't go to

674
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: Mistique that time because one of the royals I print

675
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: somebody from just took over the whole island. They shut

676
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: the island down because he was vacationing there. So I

677
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: was like wow. I was like, I can't believe people

678
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: are coming from all these different parts of the world

679
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: to this beautiful island. So yeah, shout out to St.

680
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: Vincent and y'all feel like I don't give you all

681
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: as much love. She'd be at home talking about so

682
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: we got because my Saint Vincent, they're gonna sing me

683
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: because you know, we talked about Jamaica so much, especially

684
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: because I went there for my birthday and stuff, and

685
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: that was mainly because it was easy to access. Um.

686
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: Now I think St. Vincent has the international airport, so

687
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: they're working on and so I have to worry about

688
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: flying into another country and getting getting the lead. Ye

689
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: Kevin Little is known for like that song turned me

690
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: on my body and That's going still goes hard and

691
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: like every club that was that was high school days.

692
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: I got some of my nicest dub to those songs.

693
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: Oh sh you're fresh, She's fresh. But now yeah, so

694
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: that he that song still goes hard. Actually put it

695
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: on my Instagram the other day and he had damned

696
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: me and was just like, Yo, you listen to my music.

697
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah and love. So let me talking about coaches.

698
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: What's the one thing you learned about Black American coaches

699
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: since dating me that you feel like you didn't know

700
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: before that you feel like like now you're like, Wow,

701
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: now I understand a little bit about how you are,

702
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: so you understand. Um, one thing I did learn about you,

703
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: aside from that Friday is the funniest movie. It's not funny.

704
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: I still don't really get the Last Dragon, but whatever.

705
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: That's maybe just don't don't, don't don't. Maybe it's an

706
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: acquired I just gave me a black card back. I

707
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: take that ship right back. But I do understand and

708
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: I respect why you really appreciate the struggle and where

709
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: blacks have come over time being around your mom and

710
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: learning about her history and the things she's had to

711
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: go through. I understand why, um, you are the way

712
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: you are with that, why you're so passionate about it,

713
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: And I think that with the current climate in our country,

714
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: it's next necessary for you two then teach our boys

715
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: about this as well, and about you know their history

716
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: and and and why it's so important as a black

717
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: man to know certain things and being able to kind

718
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: of sharpen their moral compass at this point because you're

719
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: able to now impart on them things that you've learned,

720
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: and I admire that, and I've learned so much just

721
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: from being a part of your family, because your family

722
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: has completely opened their arms to me from day one,

723
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: and they have embraced me as their own, you know, daughter,

724
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: and um, I'm sure you can say it's vice versa now, No, absolutely, absolutely,

725
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: your family has definitely embraced me. And I've learned a

726
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: lot about West Indian culture outside of what I thought

727
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: I knew, you know, growing up in Flatbush. Like I said,

728
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't just all about bruck ups and row. That's

729
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: because that's all I did back in the dance back

730
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: in the day. And um, I love eating beef fatties,

731
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: I love royalty, I love curry go oxtail like I

732
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: just I love the food. I love the women. Um,

733
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: But I learned so much about why people come to

734
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: the States from these islands, and it's it's it's a

735
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: different type of escape, you know, because black in America,

736
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: when you're black, you're trying to escape persecution from police,

737
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: You're trying to escape systematic oppression. So you feel like

738
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: there's nowhere else for me to go. I'm here in America,

739
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: this is all I got. And when you're from a

740
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: smaller island and you're trying to escape different levels of

741
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: persecution from the government. Even though they may look like you,

742
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you've been oppressed. You're like,

743
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: I just wanted the ability to grow and prosper, you

744
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So, and that's what I learned

745
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: from your mom and your dad because their stories are

746
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: very similar. Your father came here, you know, made money,

747
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: sent back, helped your mom's family come here, and for

748
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: them it was about owning property and not only owning property,

749
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: but educating their kids when they have kids. And that's

750
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: the biggest thing I learned about West Indian culture. Y'all

751
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: are all about education, you know. And there's there's a

752
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: huge difference between Caribbean culture in American culture because in

753
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: Caribbean culture, they're all about books. Because of where they

754
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: come from, the educational systems aren't as good as Americans.

755
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: So they're like, yo, you better go to school and

756
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: get the books. Books, books. Where I feel like for

757
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: Black Americans sometimes you're allowed to create. Like when I

758
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: told my parents I wanted to go to school for speech,

759
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: communications and performance, they didn't look at me funny. They

760
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: were happy toge, were happy I was going to college.

761
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: And it wasn't you know, and they happy I got

762
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: a scholarship. It wasn't like you know, but like the

763
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: first generation to really go to a four year college. Yeah.

764
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: Well my aunt, my aunt Monique shouting to my aunt Manique, Um,

765
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: she went to Northeastern. I believe, Yes, she went to Northeastern.

766
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: Played volleyball, played volleyball. She could have been a basketball play.

767
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: She's a beast athlete graduating on her degree. But she

768
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: was the first in our family to get her degree.

769
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: My mom didn't get her degree. My dad got his

770
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: associates from Kingsborough, so in in that part of the family,

771
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: I was the first to get my degree. But for them,

772
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: they they're all their dream was like you could do

773
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: whatever you want. You know, you're here, you could do

774
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: whatever you want. Your father, when you told him he's

775
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: getting in the TV, he was like, what the fuck you?

776
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: I think we have a podcast. Now we're working on

777
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: like developing a show. And I think my father still

778
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: to this day, does not understand what the hell it is.

779
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm no clue. He's just like, girl, you did not

780
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: go to nurse in school. My sister totally like one

781
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: up me, and she's a nurse. So no favorite. I

782
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: was never the favorite, was always favorite, That is the truth.

783
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: And he will say it because he's like, conveem you

784
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: nice and all, but Cary and he makes no jokes

785
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: about it, like he'll tell y'all like, is my favorite.

786
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: And then she now she's a nurse, like, oh my god,

787
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: forget it, forget it. And I was like, Dad, but

788
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: don't you understand, like I can make nurse like money

789
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: and just not be in that particular film and still

790
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: being successful. And he was like, being an entrepreneur, have

791
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: your own business. Why you've been a punch your five o'clock,

792
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: You better punch your seven and three o'clock, do your

793
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: do your work and and come home and be comfortable.

794
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, I ain't trying to just be comfortable.

795
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be like successful successful you know. Um.

796
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: But you know, you know it's funny that article that

797
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: you read, right when they talk about they felt like

798
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: West Indians had more entrepreneurial spirit, right, It's crazy to

799
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: me because I feel like West Indians are more about titles,

800
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: like even your mom, your mom is so much on

801
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: titles because they came here with nothing. You know what

802
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and it's like I got to get this

803
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: title because that means something. So for me, I feel

804
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: like that was actually the opposite because they weren't coming

805
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: here just to create their own job. It was to work.

806
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: Now they might have brought property, but you know, if

807
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: your own property, you can become a realistic getting the

808
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: real estate, being entrepreneur that way. But it was about working,

809
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: like I want to work and have a title. I'm

810
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 1: a director, I'm a supervisor, you know, superintendent. It's about

811
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: climbing the ladder whatever, that ladder of successes within that

812
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: that you know, I'm going to start as a paralegal

813
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: and then I'm going to be a partner and that

814
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: I want to like there was always a ladder, I

815
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: feel like, and that's true, Like I've I've definitely seen

816
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 1: that with my mom, you know, and they're all about

817
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: like working the way up as well to you know,

818
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: starting at the entry leve well and then um always

819
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: further in education to then advance your title. Yep, definitely.

820
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: It's just it's been great having the boys because they

821
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: grew up in two different cultures and watching them do

822
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: what they do as far as kids, but knowing that

823
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: there Southern Black and Caribbean at the same time, because

824
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: even with religion, and we can talk about we could

825
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: save religion for another day because your parents grew up

826
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: Seven Day events and my parents grew up Baptists. But

827
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: it's just been great to watch them learn and co mingle. No,

828
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: absolutely and kind of accept both right and the ultimate.

829
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: I feel like they even shouldn't be a us versus

830
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: them more. No, it's definitely not Americans versus like West

831
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: Indian Americans. Like the versus thing just really always put

832
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: you in that ring where there has to be a

833
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: dominant or there has to be a winner, and I

834
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: feel like we can just learn so much from each

835
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: other from the richness of both. Historically, when people ask

836
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: you what you are, you say, I say, I'm Jamaican

837
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: of incension, right, and I say I'm American. Right. When

838
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: they asked the boys, what are they going to say,

839
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: right they are? I don't know, I mean we I

840
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: don't think we've had this discussion yet, at least with

841
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: Jackson because he's older. But I mean, I guess they

842
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: would say, of course they're American, because at this point

843
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: now they're what like a quarter Jamaican and a quarter

844
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: of incension. But I mean, they definitely are going to

845
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: have to know. But they have a huge Caribbean background.

846
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: Like if you think about it, that that half of

847
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: their family was all born out of this country. They

848
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: were all like their grandma who raised them, their great

849
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: grandmother who raised them, was born here, you know, came here,

850
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: their immigrants, their grandfather who raised them immigrants. I think

851
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: that I think too, that they're going to have the

852
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: same pride that I have, Like, you know, yes I

853
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: can I'm American because I was born here. Um, But

854
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: whenever I'm asked, I usually identify with my culture because

855
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: people will look at me be like, I don't really

856
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: know where you're from? Where are you from? Or they

857
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: can sense that there's like an act sometimes so they're like, Okay,

858
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: where's that accent from? You know, depending on what I'm

859
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: speaking about. Um. So yeah, I'm always And there's a

860
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: pride that I think the West Indian community has. Regardless

861
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: of what island you're from, there's always this ongoing pride

862
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: that culture. I think about Labor Day on Eastern Parkway,

863
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: like that's one thing in Brooklyn that I love. It's

864
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: like when all the cultures come together all the islands

865
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: and everyone is repping so hard for whatever island it

866
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: is that they're from. So I think that sense of

867
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: pride is something that was instilled in me um and

868
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: I would love to, you know, instill that in the boys,

869
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: because you know, Jackson has his moments too when he'll

870
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 1: you know, drop some pots on and I'm like, whare

871
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: a second you're paying attention to He's with Grandma all

872
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: the time. He's with your your grandmother all the time.

873
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: When your grandmother, you know, she speaks about to all

874
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: the time. But my thing is is also just identifying

875
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: like your true essence, right because for for Black American people,

876
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: and maybe this just maybe me in particular, but I

877
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: am proud to be a Black American because we built

878
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: this country. You can't take that from us. And then

879
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: on top of building it for free, we're now learning

880
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: how to control and manipulate the markets within it to

881
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: gain more power. There's a pride in that. Give me

882
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: the comment that you feel like I can't necessarily claim

883
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: America because I didn't build it, meaning my parents came

884
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: from Cindy's Yes, can you elaborate on that for me?

885
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: Because that can be that can that kind of struck

886
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: a nerve a little bit. I think it's even I

887
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: was born here. I think it's kind of clear. Okay, Okay,

888
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: did you have to do the whole next? I did?

889
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: I did? I did, because you're trying to attack me,

890
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: like I wasn't attacking. You know, it wasn't an attacked.

891
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: But I just want to be clear like what you

892
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: meant by that. Okay, Let's let's think about like this

893
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: hot button topic right now in America, right, reparations right,

894
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: and they talk about descendants of slavery in America. Where

895
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: your parents descendants of slaves in America, So you get

896
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: no reparations. But I married to you, so I can

897
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: have if I allowed, if you're in, if you're a

898
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: good girl. No. But but being more serious, it's like

899
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: I legitimate, like my my grandfather for in the Korean

900
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: War and on the way back when they had POWs,

901
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: my grandfather couldn't sit the pow sat because he was

902
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: a black soldier in the American Army. You know how

903
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: crazy that is? You know how crazy that is, Like

904
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: he went and fort in this for this country. But

905
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: they treat the prisoners of war better than they treat

906
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: the black Americans in America and then when you come

907
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: back to America, they still treat you like shit like

908
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: and I think people don't value that enough what black

909
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: Americans have have gone through in this country, no disrespect.

910
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: But your parents didn't have to go do that here.

911
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: They came here after that fight was over and are

912
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: now reaping the benefits. So it's not like you can't

913
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: claim America. But when people try to discredit what black

914
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: Americans have done in this country to get us to

915
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: this point, for me, it's try it a nerve like

916
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: it really does strike a nerve because and and it

917
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: did strike a nerve with your your dad and his

918
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: friends because I wanted to be like lazy. We cannot

919
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: discredit that, you know what I'm saying, We cannot discredit

920
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: that and that, and then you know, I'm apologized if

921
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: you took it the wrong way, because it could come

922
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: off a little bit kind of fucked up. I'm saying

923
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: both of your parents, both of your parents were from here.

924
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: Their descendants didn't build this country whereas my parents did.

925
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: And realistically, it was just like a little bit of

926
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: a measure of what are my son's gonna claim because

927
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't want my son's to feel the pressure I

928
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: felt in high school where oh, you're from America, You're

929
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: not cool because we're from islands and the culture is

930
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: great and celebrated. Black American culture is not celebrated the

931
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: same way. So for me, when they say, you know,

932
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: you know where you from, you you're not from an island,

933
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm Americans. Like, why are you trying to downplay because

934
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: I went through that in high school. Oh you just American?

935
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: What the fund does that mean? I'm just American like that?

936
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: And it was a huge argument. It was a huge

937
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: argument in school. One yeah, in Madison, because I remember

938
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: Flag Day. Flag Day was a big deal right in

939
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: in in uh Madison, and everyone wore the flags for

940
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: the countries they represented, right, that's the thing. Yes, so

941
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: a water American flag one tim. And people just like

942
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: because you are because I'm American, right, And they're like,

943
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: also you repped in American And I'm like, yeah, well

944
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm American. And then they were just like that's that's

945
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: kind of whack, Like how dare you represent America? Like

946
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: this is our day where in your country? We get it,

947
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: there's your country, but you know, you know, and I

948
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: was like, what you what do you like? What does

949
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: that even mean? Kids? Which is you know, kind of

950
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: getting at me, like, yo, you know, you're just American,

951
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: Like like it's cool to be it's cool to be

952
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: West Indian, but to just be American is like you

953
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: have no culture, you have no swag. And I want

954
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: to and I want my boys to know, like, you

955
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: have to find pride in the fact that your ancestors

956
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: built this country for for the rights in this country

957
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: that we live in. So say, you know, because it

958
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: always happens. Sat Jackson grows up and he's either a

959
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: football player, the president, or is an entertainment they're gonna

960
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: ask him, you know what are you his Wikipedia page?

961
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: It's going to be very important. And if they say

962
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: that he's of Jamaican descent and that's the first thing

963
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: he says, you know, American blacks are gonna be piste off.

964
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: And if he says that he's American and they don't

965
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: mention that he's from Jamaican and Vincentian descent or he's

966
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: not from St. Vincent, those people are going to be

967
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: piste off. So it's like, how do we prepare our

968
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: children to embrace both and rent both and identify because

969
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: you you don't say you're American even though you were

970
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: born here in America. You don't identify American your family,

971
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: and you really can't, like your family didn't fight for

972
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: slavery or fight for it, Like you don't fight for

973
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: American civil rights here. Your parents were in islands, you

974
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They weren't here, So I get

975
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: why you say I'm Jamaican in intention, right, right, and

976
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: usually say I was born here in America, but my

977
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: roots are you know, which make making savings just to

978
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: give a total picture of what exactly is happening here.

979
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't really foresee to like when

980
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: it comes to dating culturally, like I'm thinking about our sons,

981
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: because when it came to dating for me, my parents

982
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: weren't like, oh well you have to date another West

983
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: Indian or you have to date within the confines of

984
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: They never put those kind of pressures on me. My

985
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: mother was actually like, you ain't dating nobody, bitch. So

986
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: it was just like she was just like, oh no,

987
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: Like my parents were like super strict, you know, protective.

988
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: You know, thank god they were, because I have become

989
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: the nice woman that I am to date because of

990
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: that and my good old West Ending upbringing. I think

991
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: upbringing tho is something that we can both kind of

992
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: can compare and they're similar because I don't think in

993
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: a West Indian household or in a Black American household,

994
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: we took no ship like our parents on both sides

995
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: didn't take no ship. Manners was something that was very,

996
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: very prevalent, you know, in the household, no talking back, religion, faith,

997
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: Those are a lot of parallels that we did, which

998
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: I think made dating for us, though we did have

999
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: differences in the beginning, you know, like my father not

1000
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: knowing about the culture. That was easy for our families

1001
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: to assimilate. Now, yeah, absolutely while dating because because the

1002
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: moral values existed on both sides, and when the moral

1003
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: values exist on both sides, easier trying to sit back

1004
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: and say, you know what I can write. He may

1005
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: be a little different, but I know that his daughter

1006
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: gonna take care of my son, and I know that

1007
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: their son is gonna take care of my daughter as

1008
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: long as the moral values exist, right, And I think

1009
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: that's something that we paralleled in both households. When we

1010
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: talk about our upgramming bringing or the way our parents

1011
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: dealt with certain situations or even the school Beffle him

1012
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: that we went to, like whether the teacher was a

1013
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: West Indian teacher or the teacher was a Black American teacher.

1014
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: They took no disrespect, like that was just something that

1015
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: was not tolerated. Um. So I think they made dating

1016
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: for us and then eventually marriage and now our views

1017
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: on parenting and the things that we tolerate with our

1018
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: kids kind of similar. So with the boys, though, you're

1019
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: going to make sure that they when they say you

1020
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't have them say I'm Jamaican American, I'm vincentition America.

1021
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: Can Um, how are you going to have them identify?

1022
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: I think they Yeah, I think they should. They should

1023
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: definitely pick up the culture and be like, I'm Jamaican.

1024
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: But since you an American, I like you like it.

1025
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,960
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1041
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: So let's see what we're talking about today. Oh, these

1042
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: are interesting, So they're not necessarily dealing with blending cultures,

1043
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: but it is kind of relevant because, um, the question is,

1044
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: what was the point where you all knew the leap

1045
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: of faith to start your own business? I guess so

1046
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: just a frame of differently, at one point do we

1047
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: notice start our own business though it doesn't necessarily deal

1048
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: blending of cultures. But my father again being his like

1049
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, get your nine to five, he could not

1050
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: foresee the businesses that we wanted to start, but but

1051
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: he did own property to supplement his income. He did,

1052
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: so he kind of we kind of did have that,

1053
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: and he was very smart because he was able to

1054
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: buy property in Brooklyn during the late eighties, and my

1055
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: mom worked really hard to make sure that they were

1056
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: able to do that and start that kind of fund education.

1057
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: And yes, and gave me lots of opportunities. Shout out

1058
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: to Dad for that, um But yeah, what did we

1059
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: know that we wanted to start. This was easy for

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Speaker 1: me playing in the NFL, Yes, because I always I

1061
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: always wanted to own my own part of what my

1062
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: mom and dad taught me. I always want to get

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00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: into real estate. But I never forget the end of

1064
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: my third preseason, I had the best preseason I ever

1065
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: had in the NFL. The first year in the NFL,

1066
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: I made the team, then cut, then put on the

1067
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: practice squad. I didn't made the team play the rest

1068
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: of the year. Second year, I didn't even play in

1069
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: the preseason because I was hurt, and I made the team,

1070
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: was put on the pup. The third year, I had

1071
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: the best year and I got cut. And what that

1072
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: showed me was that I never wanted to live my

1073
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: life where my livelihood was dependent upon another man's decisions.

1074
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: So for me at that point, it was I need

1075
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: to own my own business. I need to make my

1076
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: own money, because if I'm constantly going to work and

1077
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: hoping that I'm going to continue to get a check

1078
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: by jumping through the hoops of someone else, at any

1079
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: given time, they can just say, Na, we want to

1080
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: go in another direction. You don't get laid off, and

1081
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: that new management doesn't come in and they they everyone's

1082
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: a wash that I couldn't do it. And you know,

1083
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: it's funny, I did not necessarily have that business acumen

1084
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: in the beginning. I didn't foresee the business side of

1085
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: things and how it would flourish. Um. I think too,

1086
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: because it was always ingrained in me to be sure

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00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: that I had a stable job, whatever that job was.

1088
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: Again like my dad, you know, working in the hospital,

1089
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: my mom being a nurse. Like they wanted to make

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00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: sure that I was able to um sustain the lifestyle

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00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: by having that guaranteed quote unquote money. But then when

1092
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: you really think about it, it's like, what exactly is

1093
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: guaranteed money you know? Um? Or is it really guaranteed?

1094
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: You know? And the turning point for me, particularly with

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00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: business and why I wanted to start my own was

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00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: moving back to you know, New York after the NFL

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00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: was over and developed wanting to start his business. I

1098
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: was working at Matt Cosmetics, um as you know, an

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00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: artist and as a manager, and I was kind of

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00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: working my way up the ladder there because again I

1101
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: was taught bout my family, like started the ground and

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00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: you work your way up the ladder, and and that's

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00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: what I always did. But you know, I think at

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00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: that point, being with you and hearing how you were

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00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: starting a business and being so inspired by that, I

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00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: thought to myself, you know what, I'm about to flip

1107
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: this whole makeup situation. I'm going to go in there.

1108
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna learn the craft more. I'm going to hone

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00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: in on my skills. I'm gonna work that ladder, learn

1110
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: about being a leader, learn about how the business works,

1111
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: learn about revenue calendars, and this, that and the third.

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00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: So that way, I can then give myself the opportunity

1113
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: to step away from the confines of working for Frank

1114
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: and Frank who are the owners, and then start my

1115
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: own business where it can be more lucrative for me.

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00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: I can have the flexibility that I wanted to have.

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00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: You know, I will never forget that Thanksgiving where I

1118
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: had to leave the family. Jackson was still a baby

1119
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: at the time, and I had to leave the family

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00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: because at this point now it was Black Friday, that's

1121
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: when the store was opening. It like midnight, So I

1122
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: had to leave Thanksgiving dinner to get dressed, put my

1123
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: all black on makeup on, and I literally cried in

1124
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: your arms, and I was like, I don't want to

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00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: have to go to work, like so unfair. I cannot

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00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: enjoy this holiday with my family because I have to

1127
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: go make that money on Black Friday, which is not

1128
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: even like Friday. I think now to the point where

1129
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: there's not even a Thanksgiving Day anymore. People are having

1130
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 1: to work on Thanksgiving because of making money. So I said,

1131
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: you know what at that point, you know, I told

1132
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: you how I felt about it, and you were like, Babe,

1133
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna work so hard. I'm gonna make it so

1134
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: that you don't have to miss another Thanksgiving and so

1135
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: said so done. So you know, that was really at

1136
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: the point when we knew early on that we wanted

1137
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: to start our own businesses. Yeah, it was just pretty

1138
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: much wanting autonomy over our lives. Our lives, yeah, and

1139
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: wanted to be there and be active in our children's

1140
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: life as well, and to be able to work on

1141
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: our acting careers. You know, well, well, actually which is

1142
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: you know that that answer actually seguates us into the

1143
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: second one. Uh. Someone asked, you know, talk about DeVos

1144
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: post on I g to take care of home and

1145
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: let you do your thing. Recently, I did, I did

1146
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: post recently about it, and um, this post kind of

1147
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: came from a question that was asked when we were

1148
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: at Broccoli City. Um, a young lady asked, you know, what,

1149
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: what is the best way or how do you guys

1150
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: support each other, you know, in your own dreams? And

1151
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: the post came from that because I was sitting back

1152
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: and I think, and I answered her question that day

1153
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: about how we dig each other up, and we talk

1154
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: a lot about each other's projects when we're doing projects.

1155
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 1: If if we're doing projects, with what I can see,

1156
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: there can be some cross promotion, I'll mention codeine. But

1157
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: then I really really alized afterwards that the best way

1158
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: that I could support my wife is by just getting

1159
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: out the way and making sure everything else is out

1160
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: of her way. You know. So oftentimes it's left on

1161
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: the women to be responsible for take care of home

1162
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: and the kids, you know, And I've been I've been

1163
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: guilty of that sometimes, Like when I was the breadwinner

1164
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: and I was really focused on my career, on my craft,

1165
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, can you just focus on this?

1166
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: Can you just do this so I can focus on that,

1167
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: And in doing that we were able to prosper. But

1168
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: then part of me realized that and there's things that

1169
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: she wants to do that you know, I have to

1170
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: kind of take time away from what I'm doing to

1171
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: grab that so that she can focus. So for me,

1172
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: it was kind of like, we're trying to build this

1173
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: empire together, and yeah, Codeine probably could handle all of

1174
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: home stuff and I could go on and flourish, right,

1175
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: But how dope would it be is if while I

1176
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: see she's funishing, let me just grab the kids real quick.

1177
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: Let me pause when I'm doing and he paused real quick,

1178
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: Let me grab the kids, let me take care of

1179
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: home perfectly. Example, when you you you booked your first

1180
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: Netflix uh deal to be a key makeup artist on

1181
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: the show, Ye shout out to us. It's proud of

1182
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: you had to take on that whole project makeup artist

1183
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: for a whole month while they shot this show for

1184
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: I think it was twenty days or twenty two days

1185
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: and literally long hours you know on set here there

1186
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: for like anywhere between twelve to fifteen hours per day,

1187
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: so I literally did not see my husband and my

1188
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: children for an entire month. Um the Devote knew this

1189
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: was my opportunity to you know, get some experience in

1190
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: the field you know, makeup, to be on an actual set,

1191
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: to work with some actors as well. It was great

1192
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: for me too as an actor to now see another

1193
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: side of it how things are being shot. So it

1194
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: was really like a hands on learning experience for me

1195
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: and also away for me to do my makeup. I

1196
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: had my team, you know, we were cohesive, we were

1197
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: working together. Devot ended up booking a role in that

1198
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: series as well, So it was just really great at

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01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: that time because it was like all hands on deck.

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01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: So between Devot and my family, they were able to

1201
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: just hold a hold down the fort so I can

1202
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: then flourish in this opportunity, and I think the tide

1203
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: shift for us a lot depending on what the opportunity

1204
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: to Devout me have an opportunity to capitalize on something,

1205
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: so I have to hold the kids down on What

1206
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate about you is that you never I never

1207
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: feel oppressed in this relationship. I never feel oppressed within

1208
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: the household because even though sometimes you were, you're direct

1209
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: with telling me what you need and it may come

1210
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: across as like, Okay, I'm gonna need you to do

1211
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: X y Z. I appreciate that you're transparent about that.

1212
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: So I know, Okay, Devout needs this to be his

1213
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: best self right now, So I'm going to do that

1214
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: to ensure that he can be his best self. And

1215
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: I can appreciate that you're willing to do that, but

1216
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: it makes me that much more prepared to do it

1217
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: when you need it. You see what I'm saying the

1218
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: rest because absolutely, like I say to myself sometimes like yo,

1219
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: this woman took a year and a half off to

1220
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: have a child from TV, then while taking a year

1221
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: and a half of come pregnant and had to take

1222
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: another year and a half off to have another child

1223
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: and both of them are my boys. Is to help

1224
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: build our legacy. It's like, if she needs a month

1225
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: to two months to focus on just her career, I

1226
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: have to be willing to do that, you know what

1227
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think I have to like the most

1228
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: helpful things you've done too, Even if you couldn't step in.

1229
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: You made provisions for the kids with like my mom,

1230
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: you'd be like, my, you know, k needs to go

1231
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: to the gym? Is there a way for you to

1232
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: come back after? So that way? Yeah, your mom is

1233
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: my go to when your dad to Yeah, and Brian

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01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: like Jackson, you know, because family, Yeah, they really just

1235
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: help so much. So even if you are not there

1236
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: to do it, you can foresee that I need the help,

1237
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: and you'll reach out to all of our forces and

1238
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: be like, hey, who is free to help us out

1239
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: real quick? And they're usually so great about you know, pures.

1240
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: So it really is the village, Like the village makes

1241
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: it possible for me to step out, you know, and

1242
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: just grab the kids in the house and say, you know,

1243
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: let's go go get the bag, baby, just go get

1244
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: the bags, all the bag, you know, because you bring

1245
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: home the bacon. You know, even though I don't eat

1246
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: pork no more, I know, I know, I definitely to me,

1247
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't eat pork. I only eat bacon every now

1248
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: and again. So you just said that bacon is its

1249
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: own ented. Okay, bacon, April, don't eat it all the time.

1250
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: Let me tell you all about this girl, yo, we

1251
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: we go, I've got where we were, and she was

1252
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: just like, can I see your vegan options please? I'm

1253
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: like trying to be healthy today. So we have a

1254
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: black bean burger. She's, oh, a great, great greade. So

1255
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: she's like, let me get the black bean burger with bacon.

1256
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: I was like, what what are you doing? I felt

1257
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 1: for it, like the very blue boom that I felt

1258
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: for baking. It just happens. The rationale behind it was

1259
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: so dope, though, she goes. She goes, listen, nobody make

1260
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: food better than vegans. If you can make an all

1261
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: vegetable meal tastes man good. Imagine if you add bah.

1262
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: I was like, you right, though, but you're right and

1263
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: tastes good. Let me know who's doing that out there.

1264
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: Make sure I'll come in and let me know who

1265
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: has tried to put bacon on their hashtag vegan with bacon. Yes,

1266
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: all right, listen to this. I always loved those. Yes,

1267
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: um And if you want to be featured as one

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01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: of our listener letters, email us at dead as Advice

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Yes, that's dead as Advice. D

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Speaker 1: E A D A S S A, D V I

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Speaker 1: C E at gmail dot com. Baby what's your moment

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Speaker 1: of truth? Um for this whole what's the vows truth

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Speaker 1: when it comes to blending cultures? Are just talking about

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Speaker 1: you know, we're all a part of the African diaspora,

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Speaker 1: Wakanda forever, all that good stuff. Let me know what

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Speaker 1: what what? What's your takeaway from this whole conversation? My

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Speaker 1: My moment of truth is to take time to embrace

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Speaker 1: the culture of the people that you're around, even if

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Speaker 1: it's not your wife, significant other, your friends. Take time

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Speaker 1: to embrace their culture because what you think you know

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Speaker 1: about their cultures, you probably don't. And all the caricatures

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Speaker 1: about their culture that are the stereotypes that that are

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Speaker 1: what you think or hold as true, can be so

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Speaker 1: much deeper if you just take the time and don't

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Speaker 1: only just do it for them, do it for yourself,

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Speaker 1: because the more you learn, the better you can become.

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Speaker 1: And I want to be able to know as much

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Speaker 1: as I can about as many people so I can

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Speaker 1: share that with the boys. Yeah, taking the time to

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Speaker 1: really dispel the myths surrounding any culture, and that's just

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Speaker 1: not Caribbean culture. With a culture whatever you want to

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Speaker 1: call it, it can be, you know, Asian culture, it

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Speaker 1: can be African, it can be European, like whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: Really taking the time to dispel the myths will make

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Speaker 1: you a well rounded person as well. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's just more more about humanity and that circumstance, so

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Speaker 1: you can really get to understand people better. Um like what.

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Speaker 1: I like what you said that though more about humanity,

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Speaker 1: learn other people's cultures so you could be a better human.

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Speaker 1: I like that. I like that better human, like love

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Speaker 1: thy neighbor, like you can legitimately love thy name, or

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Speaker 1: in authenticity at that point because you feel like you

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Speaker 1: can respect where they've come from. Yeah, that might be

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Speaker 1: my moment of truth. You know what, Ignorance is not

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Speaker 1: bliss in this circumstance because you don't know about a culture.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know, like how my father and his

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Speaker 1: friends did not know about the struggle, it's not bliss.

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Speaker 1: It's actually pretty sad, and it's pretty sad. It is

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Speaker 1: pretty sad. It is pretty sad. So, you know, as

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Speaker 1: youcate yourself had these conversations instead of talking about you

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Speaker 1: know what just came on on Love and Hip Hop

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Speaker 1: last episode, how about you talk about somebody's culture, you know,

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Speaker 1: share a little tip or something you know, invite them

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Speaker 1: over for a meal that they may not have had

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Speaker 1: before and introduced into a different way of doing things,

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Speaker 1: or or something that's specific to your culture. I like that.

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Speaker 1: I like that. I like that. Do you all like that? Well?

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