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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Well for the break, I asked you the question,

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Speaker 2: if we were to live without a doubt that this exists,

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Speaker 2: that we can precognitively believe that our dreams will be

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Speaker 2: coming true, how would that shape our lives differently?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely well. In the book you will find many accounts

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Speaker 3: in which people are very clear that this moment, this strength,

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Speaker 3: this experience has changed their lives, very specifically, and that

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Speaker 3: comes in many different forms. I mean, the more obvious

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Speaker 3: one would be part of the title of the book,

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Speaker 3: Love at Second Sight. These accounts in which people claim

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Speaker 3: to have dreamed of their future lovers ahead of time.

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Speaker 3: In many of those cases there is In a number

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Speaker 3: of those cases it turns out later that the person

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Speaker 3: who was dreaming of their future lover are later told

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Speaker 3: by their future lover that they have been dreaming of

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Speaker 3: them all. So it was a kind of a reciprocal

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Speaker 3: or shared dream, as it were. And in many cases

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Speaker 3: this kind of convinces either or both that there is

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Speaker 3: a plan in place in the universe, there is a

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Speaker 3: destiny of which both of them are apart. And there

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Speaker 3: are even cases in the book, for example, where people

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Speaker 3: are brought to believe that the ghosts or the afterlife exists,

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Speaker 3: or consciousness continues based on these kinds of accounts. For example,

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Speaker 3: there was an account of a woman given to an

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Speaker 3: author called Jenny Smedley, who when she first met her

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Speaker 3: husband to be at an event before they knew each other,

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Speaker 3: he had given her his number, which she had thrown

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Speaker 3: it away as if she asked, she was quite she

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Speaker 3: was in a bit of a rush at the time,

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Speaker 3: and a few days later she dreamed of a teenage

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Speaker 3: boy who came to her and told her, quote unquote,

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Speaker 3: find this man again. So this woman noted, quote unquote,

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Speaker 3: I've never been so sure of the truth of anything

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Speaker 3: in my life before setting out to find this number.

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Speaker 3: And this comes back to you and her death experience,

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Speaker 3: where in many of these cases there is this sense

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Speaker 3: meaning of this moment, and it's something you can't really

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Speaker 3: get across to others or listeners unless you've had the

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Speaker 3: experience yourself. In any case, the experience continues that when

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Speaker 3: she turned up at a different event the following month,

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Speaker 3: this man from her this sorry, this person from her

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Speaker 3: dream that he had met she had met was there. Surprisingly,

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Speaker 3: in a twist worthy of these ancient shared dreams that

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Speaker 3: I just mentioned a moment ago, she said, this woman, Sarah,

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Speaker 3: She said, I knew you'd be here, and I'm going

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Speaker 3: to marry of most interests. However, as she explains, she says,

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Speaker 3: I was stunned and surprised to find a picture in

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Speaker 3: in my dream. In other words, yeah, in other words,

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Speaker 3: this boy who had urged her to find this man's

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Speaker 3: number again. When she meets with this man, she finds

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Speaker 3: a picture of this boy in the man's house, and

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Speaker 3: she finds out later that this was his son, who

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Speaker 3: and based upon this experience, this woman actually was then

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Speaker 3: convinced that of the spirit world itself, of these existence

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Speaker 3: of spirits, for example. And that's why I think these

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Speaker 3: kinds of desia revet accounts are kind of important, even

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Speaker 3: if we don't kind of give credence to them as

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Speaker 3: precognitive or telepathic. These are very important cultural experiences and artifacts,

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Speaker 3: and that may have informed certain beliefs and rituals and

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Speaker 3: ceremonies et cetera, et cetera, across the kind of gamut

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Speaker 2: So did they get married.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they did get married eventually, thankfully. That is the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some accounts, yes, they don't write because you have

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Speaker 2: free will and you can choose that universe or another universe.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And you know, you know, fate is a mysterious thing.

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Speaker 3: You know, their life paths are mysterious things. You know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. It may be your life path. It

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Speaker 3: may be important for you as an individual to go

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Speaker 3: You know, we, in other words, we shouldn't look at

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Speaker 3: these quote unquote negative experiences of this kind. And this

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Speaker 3: draw the line there and say they were negative. Therefore,

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Speaker 3: and this is something that we should kind of remember before,

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Speaker 2: Do you hear a lot of experiences, like are you

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Speaker 2: asking people to actively reach out to you that have

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Speaker 3: Like to some extent, not massively, like I would be

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Speaker 3: happy to hear people's experiences, absolutely, but I have spoken

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Speaker 3: to people online, for example, And a number of the

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Speaker 3: gathered from and this speaks to my work in general.

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Speaker 3: In most of my books, I will include somewhere in

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Speaker 3: the region of five hundred issh accounts, and they come

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Speaker 3: You will find them from ethnological and anthropological records, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. And that is kind of that kind of

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Speaker 3: the reader. I want the reader to understand, these are

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Speaker 3: very much normal, widespread, ongoing human experiences. Whatever where to

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Speaker 3: make of them, they have been reported there. You'll find

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Speaker 3: them in the folklore. You'll find them everywhere in this

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Speaker 3: in the lives of the saints, for example. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: True.

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Speaker 2: True, that is true, It is in history, many different

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Speaker 2: references in religions and so forth. What drew you to

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Speaker 2: this work as a poet, a songwriter, and a background

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Speaker 2: in video games, I mean, how did you possibly get

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Speaker 3: Well, I will say that I was drawn to this

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Speaker 3: specific work for this book for Deja Reva purely based

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Speaker 3: was when I was doing the research for that book

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Speaker 3: and something about them just truly fascinated me. It's to

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Speaker 3: some extent this book compared to the previous too, it's

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Speaker 3: almost feels like it didn't happen. It's very strange. But

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Speaker 3: to put it very simply, I came across these accounts,

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Speaker 2: I wonder if you can prompt the deja vus, so

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Speaker 2: you could go into the dream state and ask for

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Speaker 2: your soulmate to show themselves, or your future partner or something.

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Speaker 2: Have you experimented with that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I haven't personally, but I mean this is like,

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Speaker 3: this speaks to a lot of things. For example, in

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Speaker 5: Know you're going to want some them after hearing this.

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Speaker 5: This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen and Malachi

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Speaker 5: Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. Now I understand that Malachi,

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Speaker 5: who is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering

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Speaker 5: significant it impacted his ability to really function. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.

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Speaker 6: Ever Tis book. Actually that got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 5: It is an amazing immuno modulator, and so I can

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Speaker 5: see that it would work. And so at what point

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Speaker 5: did you see that there was actually improvement It's really

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Speaker 6: Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 6: You can see these things at actually getting smaller and smaller,

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Speaker 6: about what's you know one that size for Warner, I thought,

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Speaker 6: no way, that's gonna wow. That's just been miraculous to

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Speaker 6: see him get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 5: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 5: I'm so happy and yet absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Friends that have seen it, that is blown away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 3: Among the Druids, for example, there is a ceremony called

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Speaker 3: And the way it's done is that the individual is

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Speaker 3: many poems and ditties and charms and things related to,

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Speaker 3: and they speak to exactly your question. These capacities were

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Speaker 3: Specifically, you haven't specifically, but it is a fascinating topic

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Speaker 2: I invite our listeners of course to call in with

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Speaker 2: I mean, how do do you go to sleep with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, in these cases specifically, especially in kind of

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Speaker 3: Like the method is quite similar. It involves it often

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Speaker 3: simply involves reciting like one of those ditties that I mentioned,

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Speaker 3: but along with putting something under your pillow and for me,

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Speaker 3: for me, what these but these things are about what?

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Speaker 3: It's not so important to focus on the exact contents

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Speaker 3: what is being put under the pillow. For me, it's

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Speaker 3: what I think these people are doing is they're putting

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Speaker 3: means works for them. So it's about putting yourself in

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Speaker 3: that receptive state of mind in order that you may

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Speaker 3: potentially engender or undergo one of these kinds of experiences.

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Speaker 3: And you know, again this kind of connects back to

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Speaker 3: the kind of research in my work relating to kind

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Speaker 3: Like they it's understood that you can't leave your body.

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Speaker 3: You may view the world around you, you may travel,

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Speaker 3: you may even visit places while you're a sleep that

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Speaker 3: when they come across one of these moments, this stage

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Speaker 3: as deeply uncanny as it is for us, because the

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Speaker 3: explanation comes to their song very quickly. Oh, my soul

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Speaker 3: has been here before. That's why I recognize this place.

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Speaker 3: So it's really a Western thing as to why it's

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Speaker 3: I think that's why. You see, you find so many

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Speaker 2: Is to do it that makes answers. My prior question

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Speaker 2: what would our lives be or how would our lives

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Speaker 2: be different? And you say there's an entire tribe. Where

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Speaker 2: else in history or ancient texts or religion is this referenced?

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Speaker 2: Of course, we know it from the culture in India,

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Speaker 2: and you mentioned another one in Africa. Are there any

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Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned India, like that entire part of

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Speaker 3: common in Turkey, for example, the Turkish folklore is completely

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Speaker 3: packed with experience of this kind and also general experiences

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Speaker 3: parapsychological researchers. I'm not saying that therefore they're the same,

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Speaker 3: but I'm saying that therefore we should look at them

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Speaker 3: because they're extremely similar. Like I could pick out one

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Speaker 3: example of a case from Turkey, which came from nineteen

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Speaker 3: A stranger hands him on note explaining how he could

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Speaker 3: He went on to dream of this man a couple

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Speaker 3: of more times before working up the courage to speak

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Speaker 3: to him. He turned out to be this kind of

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Speaker 3: important chic, And this man actually became his master, became

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Speaker 3: his dervish as teacher, and he studied under him for

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Speaker 3: And this again speaks to your previous question. There are

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Speaker 3: so many examples of these desa braves in which were

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Speaker 3: led to people who are going to be important in

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