1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: Former President Donald Trump was hit in the ear during 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: a Pennsylvania rally when a shooter opened fire. One attendee 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: was killed, two are critically injured. The Associated Press reporting 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: that this is being investigated as an assassination attempt. And 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 2: we actually had a reporter on the ground, Heydriana Lowen Crunch. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: She joins us. Now, Heydriana, are you with me? Now? 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 3: Yes, I am. Thanks for having me. 9 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: And you were actually there when all of this happened. 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: Can you sort of set the scene for us? Sure? 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: I mean, it's important to note that he former President 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 3: Donald Trump, started at around six o'clock. It was originally 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: supposed started at five. People come hours in advance. They're 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: waiting outside. It's extremely hot. You know, there's water being 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 3: passed around left and right, so there's a lot of anticipation, 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 3: and there's there, you know, it's a very big crowd 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: and everyone's close together. And so a couple minutes in, 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 3: fifteen or so minutes in, at around six fifteen, he's 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 3: in the middle of speaking and all of a sudden, 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 3: you hear what sounds like a gunshot. You're not entirely sure, 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: it's you know, people have heard fire works before, but 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 3: not everyone has heard gunshots before. There was screaming, everyone 23 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: immediately ducked down. There was just so much chaos that 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: people couldn't even kind of figure out what was going on. Obviously, 25 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: as we know, the Homer president was immediately rushed off 26 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: the stage after grabbing his ear. You know, there was blood, 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: and I was actually around a lot of the attendees 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: who were running, a lot of them with kids, you know, 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: grabbing the kids. Some others kind of milled around. They 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: weren't sure would he come back. Everyone was just kind 31 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: of in a state of confusion and chaos. So it 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: really it really was a sight, Adrianna. 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: I understand that there were metal detectors there fifteen thousand 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: people attending this rally, So it makes sense that unless 35 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: you had a bird's eye view or a pulled back 36 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: view like the rest of us who were watching on 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: television had, it would be if you were sort of 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: you couldn't see the forest for the trees as it were, 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: you would get caught up in that chaos. Did you 40 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: also see a level of security there when you were there? 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is definitely not my first Trump rally. 42 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: I've been too many. I've been to some inside that 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: are a bit smaller, some that are outside, this of 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: course being a bigger one, huge open space, not a 45 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: lot of buildings, so you know, it was really interesting 46 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 3: kind of just seeing everyone react. I mean, I'm sure 47 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: again as you mentioned, if I had a bird's eye view, 48 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: seeing what it must have looked like everyone ducking at once. 49 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 3: You know, it was just very clear to see everyone 50 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: kind of drop and then of course see everyone, well 51 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: not everyone, but you know, some people start running, others 52 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: kind of again more confused, sticking behind, but they're definitely 53 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: were officers around. As you had mentioned, there are always 54 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: metal detectors. People immediately were trying to you know, rush people. 55 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 3: The officers were trying to rush the attendees out as 56 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: soon as they could. But it really was a state 57 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: of state of chaos. 58 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 2: And now they're this this particular rally, and Donald Trump's 59 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: speech was sort of gearing up for the Republican National Convention, 60 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: which is supposed to start on Monday in Milwaukee. Have 61 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: you heard yet anything, and I know it's very early 62 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: about more security, about different different schedule, about about more 63 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: protection for the presidential candidate himself about anything going on. 64 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: With that, right, I mean, as you mentioned, this was 65 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: this was a big weekend for him. He had had 66 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: another rally in Florida. He has this win today heading 67 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: off to Milwaukee. This is a big event of the year, 68 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: of the cycle for the Republican Party. Know, he already 69 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: got enough delegates to be the nominee, but this really 70 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: makes it official. And so this is big. And you know, 71 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: to your point, I think there will definitely be conversations 72 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: about what that will look like. They were already, you know, 73 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 3: very intense, you know, and had he detailed security planning 74 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: going on. You know, as someone you know myself, I 75 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 3: will be attending that I've been kind of freefed about 76 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: what that will look like. 77 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 4: So that's That's that. 78 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: Conversation has already started, and I'm sure this will only 79 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: exascerate that. 80 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: All right, Thank you so much, Adrianna, and I want 81 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: you to stay with us. By the way, Hedriana, don't 82 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: go anywhere. We're going to turn now to Bloomberg's Joe Matthew, 83 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: who also Joe, are you already in Milwaukee. 84 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 5: We just touched down a short time ago, Amy, and 85 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 5: you know that flight of course, was from Washington, d C. 86 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 5: Where we are based, and so it was an airplane 87 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 5: full of media and political operatives, all of whom found 88 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 5: out about this upon landing. And that's because the Wi 89 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,799 Speaker 5: Fi was not working on the airplane. There were members 90 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 5: of the Trump campaign on that airplane, and it was 91 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 5: quite remarkable to look up and down the aisles and 92 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 5: see everyone glued to their phones realizing what had happened. 93 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 5: And then, of course, you know, we're surrounded by a 94 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 5: lot of folks who are coming here to cover the convention, 95 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 5: a lot of producers, a lot of reporters who were 96 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 5: all on the phone trying to get their arms around this, 97 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 5: and you know, you just pointed us in the right direction. Amy. 98 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 5: This is going to be a real interesting twenty four 99 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 5: hours to see how plans are potentially adjusted around this convention. 100 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 5: Donald Trump was supposed to announce a running mate here 101 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 5: in the next twenty four to forty eight hours. There 102 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 5: was likely event planning around that that we didn't know 103 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 5: about yet, and all of this stuff is probably changing 104 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,679 Speaker 5: under our feet. That statement from Donald Trump is interesting 105 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 5: as we try to learn more about what exactly happened, 106 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 5: but it's hard to tell. Is he going to be 107 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 5: in public tomorrow is the first day of the convention 108 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 5: going to happen, And what are they going to do 109 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 5: with security here in Milwaukee. These are all big questions 110 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 5: that have yet to be answered. 111 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: Tonight, I wanted to ask about the worldview. I want 112 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: to just take a great, big, thirty thousand foot view, 113 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: because we are hearing now not just from Democrats and Republicans, 114 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: but from world leaders. We're hearing from the new prime 115 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: minister in the UK, We're hearing from the Brazil's president, 116 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: We're hearing from Central America. We're hearing from everybody, and 117 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: they're all everybody is in one voice, condemning violence, particularly 118 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 2: condemning political violence. Okay, so where does it go from here? Because, 119 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: as you know, Joe, there was a poll, a Bloomberg 120 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: poll back in May where voters, both Democrats and Republicans, 121 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: mostly independents, were concerned that this particular election, this particular election, 122 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: would be marked with some sort of some sort of 123 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: political violence. 124 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 5: Yep. Look, this is a very hot time, a very 125 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 5: device of time in American politics. And no one knows 126 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 5: right now what this means for the election. No one 127 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 5: knows what it means for security surrounding these people who 128 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 5: are running for the highest office, and it's going to 129 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 5: take a minute to figure this out. The first job 130 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 5: is going to be learning exactly what happened. The next job, 131 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 5: or maybe the simultaneous job, is going to be lowering 132 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 5: the temperature here. Talk of retribution has become a daily 133 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 5: event on this campaign trail, and it's not only Donald 134 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 5: Trump who talks that way. So you know, Amy, we're 135 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 5: reporters here and we try to deal with facts as 136 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 5: we learn them, and we don't have a lot right now, 137 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 5: so it's difficult to make a lot of judgments. You're 138 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 5: going to see a lot of statements like the ones 139 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 5: you're mentioning from around the world, from lawmakers in Washington. 140 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 5: We've heard from former presidents already here and everyone's holding 141 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 5: their collective breath. They say Donald Trump is okay, and 142 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 5: that's a real good start. The potential for lone wolf activity, 143 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 5: the potential for people becoming more entrenched in their political 144 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 5: views because of this, is high, and this is something 145 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 5: that we should be all worried about as Americans right now. 146 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've asked David Gurrow about this as well as 147 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: Laura Davison and Jody Schneider. Is it possible? And maybe 148 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: it's just because I like thinking of the sunshine and 149 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: the happy part of life, But is it possible that 150 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: this would be the catalyst for people to go you 151 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: know what, maybe we should dial the rhetoric back a bit, 152 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: Maybe we should not be so entrenched. 153 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 5: I like the way you think anything is possible right now, 154 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 5: but that's why we shouldn't be casting about with predictions 155 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 5: or clutch analysis that you're going to hear a lot 156 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 5: of tonight the Sunday morning shows tomorrow, and look, people 157 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 5: are going to be angry about this. I'd love to 158 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 5: think that this is a turning point for the better 159 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 5: in American politics, but I'm not sure we have the 160 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 5: ingredients for that at the moment. It's very difficult to tell. 161 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 5: But let's also acknowledge the opportunity here for these two leaders. 162 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 5: Donald Trump could go in a lot of different directions 163 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 5: rhetorically and with this convention tomorrow, and so could the 164 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 5: people surrounding him. For crying out loud, He's going to 165 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 5: have Fana White from you know, the UFC on stage 166 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 5: with him this week. This was a real brawler's kind 167 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 5: of event that was coming together here, and that's part 168 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 5: of rallying your base. Well, look for him and for 169 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 5: Joe Biden, this is an opportunity to maybe find some calm. 170 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: I want to just jump in. And to that point, 171 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 2: when when former President Trump stood up and he was 172 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: surrounded by the Secret Service, you saw him. He raised 173 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: a fist and he screamed fight, fight, sort of rallying 174 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: the troops. And also I think it was his way 175 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: of letting people know he was okay. 176 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 5: You know, yeah, watching him pump his fist in the air, 177 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 5: and he was clearly shaken. Any of us would be 178 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 5: if we were thrown to the ground by a group 179 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 5: of Secret Service agents, never mind clipped in the ear 180 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 5: by whatever that was, if it was a bullet or 181 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 5: a piece of glass. He says that it was a 182 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 5: bullet that pierced his ear. I'm sure he was in shot. 183 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 5: But also to have the presence of mind amy as 184 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 5: a true performer that he is to take that moment 185 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 5: to briefly rally the crowd, to pump his fists like this. 186 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 5: These are images that are going to last forever and 187 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 5: probably at this point will eclipse the mugshot in terms 188 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 5: of the historic images of this campaign. 189 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: Is it gonna eclipse the conversation about Biden's age. 190 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 5: Well, that's a great question. I'm not sure anything ken 191 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 5: right now. I mean, just consider the dual storylines that 192 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 5: we're looking at suddenly on both sides of this campaign. 193 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 5: Thank god he was not hurt more than he was. 194 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 5: But these are to your words earlier uncharted times, Joe, I'm. 195 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: Going to ask you to stay right there. We've got 196 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: Rick Davis, Bloomberg Politics contributor joining us now, and Rick 197 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: I wanted to jump on the line with you and 198 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: ask about the campaign. Where things go from here. We 199 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: know that the Biden campaign has stopped their outgoing communications. 200 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: They've stopped the commercials. They pulled all their television commercials 201 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: and I presume some of their radio commercials as well, 202 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 2: at least for the time being. That seems like the 203 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: appropriate move. What do you think about that? Sure? 204 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 6: I think that that makes total sense. Most of their 205 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 6: ads right now we're targeting, you know, Donald Trump negative 206 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 6: campaign ads. Totally inappropriate to have those up on the air, 207 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 6: you know, in a moment of crisis right now. And 208 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 6: I say that from a political perspective, this really does 209 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 6: have a significant impact on the political mood of the country. 210 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 6: We haven't seen this kind of assault, assassination attempt on 211 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 6: a political figure at this level in a long time. 212 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 6: Most people have grown up in a relatively benign environment. 213 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 6: We talk a lot about political violence has been cropped up, 214 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 6: but now we've seen it firsthand, and by tomorrow morning, 215 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 6: people will be waking up profoundly impacted by this. And 216 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 6: I think that it's the right thing for the Biden 217 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 6: campaign to have suspended their campaign in essence and focus 218 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 6: on the health and well being of the former president 219 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 6: and ensuring that we can keep the mood of the 220 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 6: country calm and focus on the issues that bring us together, 221 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 6: not those that divide us. 222 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: Rick, you have some experience with the Republican Convention. I 223 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: believe you were heavily involved in two thousand and eight. 224 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: What's the next step for them, what's the direction that 225 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 2: they can take at this point. 226 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been to every Republican convention since nineteen seventy 227 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 6: six and ran a couple of them, So this is 228 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 6: going to have an impact on a lot of different things. Obviously, 229 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 6: there was a very choreograph plan to announce the vice president. 230 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 6: Over the course of the next forty eight hours, and 231 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 6: obviously the president's condition is number one, and will he 232 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 6: get back on track with his existing schedule as a 233 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 6: lead up to showing up at the convention on Monday. 234 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 6: But you know, just to remind people listening, there's supposed 235 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 6: to be a role call vote on Monday with both 236 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 6: Donald Trump and his vice presidential nominee, and right now 237 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 6: we don't. 238 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 5: Know who that is. 239 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 6: And the question is does this impact even the schedule 240 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 6: at the convention based on the president's you know, availability, 241 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 6: he may change his mind on how he wants to 242 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 6: approach the entrance to this convention based on what's just 243 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 6: happened to him. 244 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: Let's look ahead also at the Democratic National Convention. We've 245 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: been focusing so much on the Republican National Convention because 246 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: it's right around the corner, and this speech was his 247 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: lead up to that. But the Democratic National Convention is 248 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: in August, and all eyes were on that because of 249 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: the controversy over President Biden's age and mental acuity and 250 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: whether he would be challenged at this convention. Do you 251 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 2: expect any of the focus to shift because of this? 252 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 6: Well, certainly, you know we're talking right now about Donald Trump, 253 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 6: which we haven't really done at all in the course 254 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 6: of the last two weeks since the debate, because it's 255 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,479 Speaker 6: all been focused on Joe Biden, his disasters to pay performance, 256 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 6: and whether or not he would be able to continue 257 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 6: his campaign. This will take Joe Biden out of the limelight. 258 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 6: This will be focused on Donald Trump for the next 259 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 6: week and appropriately so, even regardless of this incident. Today, 260 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 6: this is his convention. He's one of the very few 261 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 6: in history of our country to have achieved what he's 262 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 6: achieved by becoming the nominee of this party after having 263 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 6: already served the president term and then skipped one. So 264 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 6: it was already set up to be a historic event 265 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,239 Speaker 6: by any stretch of the imagination politically and now personally. 266 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 6: You know, every delegate who was planning to come to 267 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 6: the convention books with this week, you know, is saying 268 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 6: a prayer for Donald Trump and his family right now 269 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 6: to ensure his safety and speedy recovery, whatever kind that 270 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 6: may be. And so all the plans that Democrats were 271 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 6: making about what attack they were going to make on 272 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 6: Donald Trump, what were they going to be doing, all 273 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 6: that's been blown open. Having done this many times. Six 274 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 6: months ago, they were nailing their program down at the 275 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 6: Democratic Committee saying, here are the speakers we're going to 276 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 6: want to have here, the themes we're going to want 277 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 6: to talk about. They were all based on the campaign 278 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 6: that existed before today. That campaign is now going to 279 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 6: have to be reevaluated from top to bottom. I cannot 280 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 6: imagine a scenario where Joe Biden goes back on the 281 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 6: road after this week's Republican Convention and attacks Donald Trump. 282 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 6: It's just not going to seem the right tone for 283 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 6: a campaign that's been affected by this assassination attempt. 284 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: Joe, if you're still with me, I'd like to turn 285 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: to you and ask you a couple of questions if 286 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: I could. We're now learning that Bill Ackman says he 287 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: has just endorsed Donald Trump for president. Now, this is 288 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: not a shocker. We kind of saw this coming. But 289 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: this seems to have pushed him over the edge, right 290 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: and has this whole event, maybe this was the time 291 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: for him to do it. Expect more of that, More 292 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: of people who may have been on the fence or 293 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: may have just been sort of leaning toward Trump now 294 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: saying yeah, he's the guy because of this maybe. 295 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 5: And you're right, we thought this might happen anyway, So 296 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 5: maybe not much of a nudge was needed for Bill Ackman. 297 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 5: I just saw that headline cross the terminal as well, 298 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 5: maybe and ask myself the same thing. And I just 299 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 5: think this is why we can't spend time tonight trying 300 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 5: to predict what's going to happen, because these are going 301 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 5: to come in one other time, and we're going to 302 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 5: see and hear things over the next twenty four hours 303 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 5: that will probably be remarkable when we add them to 304 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 5: the composite of this whole campaign. But it's difficult to say, 305 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 5: you're asking me about a potential you know, sympathy play here. 306 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 5: I'm looking at these images as I talk to you, 307 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 5: with blood streaming down his face, hiss in the air. 308 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 5: These are dramatic images that are going to affect the 309 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 5: way people look at him and look at this race. 310 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 5: And to Rick's point, this really poses a real challenge 311 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 5: to the rhetoric on the Biden campaign. And people are 312 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 5: circulating this remark that he made about putting Trump in 313 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 5: a bull's eye, and I I'm sure he had no 314 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 5: idea we'd be talking about it in this context tonight, 315 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 5: But that's how sensitive people are going to be coming 316 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 5: out of this, and to think that we're going to 317 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 5: have a four day Republican convention, assuming that happens with 318 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 5: the raw rah and the red meat that comes with this, 319 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 5: I can't imagine what it's going to look and feel 320 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 5: like here. This is something we're going to have to 321 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 5: experience together. 322 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: Could this possibly change the tone or the conversation when 323 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 2: it comes to gun legislation? Oh jeez, I know, because 324 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: the reason I ask is because the Secret Service just 325 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: released a statement saying that it was an Ar gosh 326 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: Ar fifteen rifle from like two hundred yards away. Let 327 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: me look, And so I'm wondering if that might play 328 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: into this an AR style rifle from two hundred feet away. 329 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 5: I think you'd have to wait to hear from Donald Trump. 330 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, he is an NRA card carrying 331 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 5: Second Amendment proponent here, it's a big part of his platform. 332 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 5: Is that going to change the way he talks about 333 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 5: gun violence? That will probably impact the way his face 334 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 5: thinks about it. I'm not sure I'm going there in 335 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 5: my head though, to be honest, Certainly, after what we 336 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 5: saw in the wake of Uvaldi and the rhetoric and 337 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 5: sort of the debate that surrounded that sense. I don't 338 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 5: know though, I mean, these are these are things we 339 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 5: shouldn't try to predict, but I think that would be 340 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 5: a remarkable moment, in an unexpected one of that. 341 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 2: I want to turn back to Rick Davis, Bloomberg Politics contributor. 342 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: You're there, You're in Milwaukee. Just like Joe, Joe described 343 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,719 Speaker 2: the scene where they were all on the plane and 344 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: there was not really a Wi Fi, so they didn't 345 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 2: know until they landed that this was going on. Very shocking. 346 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 2: I'd like to know how you learned about. 347 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 6: This, Yeah, the same way. I was seated next to 348 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 6: Kelly and Conway on the plane coming out here, and 349 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 6: as soon as we got into range of cell service, 350 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 6: everybody was really just you know, gasping. And it was 351 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 6: very early after the incident, and people didn't have really 352 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 6: any information of what happened or what Donald Trump's condition was, 353 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 6: and so there was a real somber mood on the plane, 354 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 6: and the few words exchange with Kelly, Anne and and 355 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 6: and other reporters who were also on the plane following 356 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 6: the same news was you know, pretty pretty dramatic. So, uh, 357 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 6: it was. It was an odd thing to be sort 358 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 6: of captured on a plane with no Wi Fi and 359 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 6: oblivious to probably one of the most historic events in 360 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 6: modern political history. And uh, and here we are on 361 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 6: the ground, surrounded by Republicans from all over the country, 362 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 6: you know, getting ready to party on for Donald Trump 363 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 6: this week. And it's definitely going to change the mood 364 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 6: of the delegates, the officials and members of Congress, the governors, 365 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 6: everybody who is a Republican officeholder will be here and 366 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,479 Speaker 6: and and and will be impacted by today's events. 367 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: Well, Rick, on that note, we want to bring you 368 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: the audio of what happened at that rally. This is 369 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 2: what it sounded like moments before, and during, and just 370 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 2: after former President Trump was shot. Now you're going to 371 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: hear gunshots. We want to warn you that it contains 372 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: the sound of gunfire. It contains the sound of people screaming, 373 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: and you can hear the Secret Service barking orders and 374 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: shouting to each other about what to do next. So 375 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 2: we're going to roll that piece of audio right now. 376 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 5: Oh, that's a little bit old. 377 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 6: That that charts a couple of months old. 378 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: And if you want to really see. 379 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 6: Something that said, take a look at what happened. 380 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: To spare was there? 381 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 3: What are you ready, I'm you ready? Bows here, ready, 382 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 3: get ready? 383 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 6: Are you ready? 384 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: Shoot? Were good? 385 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: Shooters down, I'll be good. 386 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: We're we're going. Let me get my shoes. 387 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 5: Let me get my shoes, sir, I got you. 388 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: Let me get my shoes. 389 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 5: Hold on head, bloody, So we gotta get to bunch. 390 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 2: Let me get okay, okay. That was some pretty graphic 391 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 2: audio that we have from the rally and Joe I 392 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: had not heard that part before where they said shoot 393 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: her down so quickly, so fast, shoot her down, shoot 394 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: her down, and then President Trump saying, or former President 395 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: Trump saying, I got to get my shoes like it 396 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: knocked him out of his shoes. 397 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, I you know. He then went on to say fight, fight, 398 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 5: fight three times while he was pumping his fist. I'll 399 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 5: be honest with you, that's so disturbing hearing that that. 400 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 5: I'm not sure we're going to be playing that tape 401 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 5: for a lot longer. 402 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 2: No, I completely agree. I wanted to. I mean, yes, 403 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 2: you're absolutely right, it's very chilling. It's disturbing, and that 404 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 2: it happened during a campaign rally, Rick somehow makes it 405 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 2: all seem so much worse. 406 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, and what you couldn't hear or see is the 407 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 6: presidence of mine of President Trump, who once they got 408 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 6: him to his feet and headed to the card. Of course, 409 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 6: at that point nobody knows what his condition is. I 410 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 6: recall in the White House was Ronald Reagan when he 411 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 6: got shot. He got stuffed into the Secret Service car. 412 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 6: Nobody had any clue whether he'd actually been shot or 413 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 6: or what had happened to him. It was very reminiscent 414 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 6: of that episode. But he stood up President Trump and 415 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 6: as Joe remarked, you know, thrusting his fist into the air, 416 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 6: saying fight, fight, fight. And what you don't hear right 417 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 6: after that clip is the crowd breaking into a chant 418 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 6: for USA. So you know, they had their own way 419 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 6: of sending Trump off, you know, in a way that 420 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 6: I think is going to be emblematic of how his 421 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 6: bage feels about this incident. Now, just just going to 422 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 6: fire him up. 423 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: Just after the shooting, we were already saying, well, the 424 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 2: White House needs to release a statement, somebody needs to 425 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: say something. I mean, we need we need the president 426 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 2: to seem presidential. And it was about an hour and 427 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: a half, maybe two hours later, President Biden did step 428 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: in front of the cameras, and this is what he 429 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: had to say. 430 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 7: I'm thoroughly by all the agencies in the federal government. 431 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 7: It's this situation based on what we know now. I 432 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 7: have tried to get a hold of Donald. He's with 433 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 7: his doctors. They apparently he's doing well. I plan on 434 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 7: talking to them shortly. I hope when I get back 435 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 7: to the telephone. Look, there's no place in America for 436 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 7: this kind of violence. It's sick. It's sick. It's one 437 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 7: of the reason why we have to unite this country. 438 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 7: We cannot allow for this to be happening. We cannot 439 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 7: be like this. We cannot condone this. And so, and 440 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 7: I want to thank the Secret Service and all the agency, 441 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 7: including the state agencies that have been engaged in making 442 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 7: sure that people and we have more detail to come 443 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 7: relative to other injured, other people may be injured in 444 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 7: the audience. I don't have all that detail. We'll make 445 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 7: that available to you. I may be able to come 446 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 7: back to a little later tonight, but we'll put out 447 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 7: a statement if we don't, if I am not able 448 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 7: to get it, if it's not communient for you, will 449 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 7: The bottom line is the Trump rally, the rally that 450 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 7: he should have been able to be conducted peacefully without 451 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 7: any problem. But the idea, the idea that there's political 452 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 7: violence or violence in America like this is just unpard of, 453 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 7: It's just not appropriate. I mean, everybody, everybody must condemn it. Everybody. 454 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 7: I'll keep you informed and if I maybe will speak 455 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 7: to the to Donald, I'll let you know that as well. 456 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 7: So far it appears he's doing well. Number one. Number two, 457 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 7: that there's thoroughly investigating what happened to anyone else in 458 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 7: the audience. I have, we have some reports, but not 459 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 7: final reports, and every agency in the federal government, and 460 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 7: I'm going back to my phone to speak with the 461 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 7: federal agencies are to be put together again to give 462 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 7: you an updated breefeas as anything happened. They learning more 463 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 7: in the last couple hours. So thank you very much, 464 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 7: and I hope I get to speak to him tonight 465 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 7: and I'll get you back to you if I do. 466 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 2: President, Do you think this was an assassination attempt? 467 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 7: I don't know enough to have an opinion, but I 468 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 7: don't have any facts, so I want to make sure 469 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 7: we have all the facts before I make some comment. 470 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 6: Anymore comments. 471 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 2: Thank you now again, that was President Biden about an 472 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: hour and a half, almost two hours ago now talking 473 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: about the shooting at Donald Trump's campaign rally. And I 474 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: want to turn to you, Rick. We needed the president 475 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: me as Americans needed the president to be presidential, and 476 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 2: we needed him to be clear and concise and able 477 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: to share his thoughts, something I'm having a hard time 478 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: doing right now. Clearly, did he pull it off. 479 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 6: Yeah. I think he did exactly what you were suggesting 480 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 6: that he should do. He was concise, He told the 481 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 6: American people what he knew to be sure, and didn't 482 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 6: speculate on anything else. And I thought it was really striking. 483 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 6: Twice in his remarks he referred to former President Trump 484 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 6: as Donald. I thought, I don't recall him using that 485 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 6: kind of, you know, conversational remark toward President Trump. And 486 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 6: and I saw that as a very positive thing. It 487 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 6: was personal, uh, you know, there was no stiffness to it. 488 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 5: Uh. 489 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 6: And and look, I mean in this situation, the one 490 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 6: thing we all do know about President Biden is that 491 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 6: he has a great capacity to care about what happens 492 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 6: to people. And I think that came out in this 493 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 6: In this press briefing, he didn't sound like the guy 494 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 6: who has been battling Donald Trump for the last two years, 495 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 6: if not for the last decade, and and sounded deeply 496 00:28:54,200 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 6: concerned about his well being and registered the appropriate amount 497 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 6: of disgust with what occurred in the commitment that they'll 498 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 6: do everything that can is our government to be sure 499 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 6: that that doesn't happen again. So yeah, I think he 500 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 6: did the right thing, and I hope that that kind 501 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 6: of tone and tenor goes beyond today's press briefing and 502 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 6: can create a more benign environment in the politics. 503 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: That we have. Also, well, we've certainly heard from a 504 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: lot of political appointees, political leaders, world leaders. The Secretary 505 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: of State Anthony Lincoln just releasing this statement, I'm shocked 506 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: and saddened by the shooting at former President Trump's rally, 507 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: grateful that he is safe, and as Potus said, as 508 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: Biden said, there is no place for political violence in 509 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: America and we must all condemn it. And for those 510 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: of you who are just joining us, I want to 511 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: get you up to speed on what's going on. Donald 512 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: Trump says he was hit in the ear during a 513 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania rally. Says it literally pierced to the top part 514 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: of his ear. The shooter is dead, and attendee was killed. 515 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 2: Two are critically injured. Donald Trump says he's fine. He 516 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: was evaluated at a medical facility. President Biden, of course, 517 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: in that statement you just heard, says he wants to 518 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: speak directly with Donald Trump, and then if he's able 519 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: to do that, he'll probably get back in front of 520 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: the cameras and talk again to the American people. The 521 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: Secret Services multiple shots were fired from an elevated position, 522 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: and of course President Biden, along with so many others, 523 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: saying that there is no place for such violence in 524 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 2: our American system of democracy. So, Joe Matthew, what are 525 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 2: you going to be watching for the next I don't know, 526 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,239 Speaker 2: twenty four hours before the RNC really gets ramped up. 527 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 5: Well, when we actually see Donald Trump in public again 528 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 5: is going to be the moment, right, How do they 529 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 5: handle this tomorrow? What will be the venue, how will 530 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 5: he appear? Is going to be bandaged? Will he be 531 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 5: joined by his running mate? This is still something that 532 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 5: has yet to be revealed before the convention. It's also 533 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 5: something that we could learn at the convention on Monday, 534 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 5: I suppose, But they don't have too much time to 535 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 5: make that announcement considering the actual business that needs to 536 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 5: be had at the convention here, which is why we're here, 537 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 5: the actual nominating process. So I suspect and Rick Davis 538 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 5: can speak more to this. He's actually one presidential campaign. 539 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 5: There are probably a lot of people talking about a 540 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 5: lot of different ideas right now about how they're going 541 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 5: to do this, and that probably goes for both campaigns 542 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 5: as well. How does Joe Biden respond to this, knowing 543 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 5: that he's dealing with a lot of issues on his 544 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 5: own right now as Republicans gather here in Milwaukee. I 545 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 5: think you're right, twenty four hours is what we'll spend here, 546 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 5: probably being fascinated by what we learn. 547 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Democratic campaign, the Biden campaign is going 548 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: to have to really reassess too. As we've discussed earlier, 549 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 2: they've already pulled their commercials, they've already stopped all outgoing 550 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 2: communication from the Biden campaign, So they're assessing, they're regrouping. 551 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: The attention and we talked to about this a little 552 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 2: bit too. The attention now it's definitely been taken off 553 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: of Biden's mental acuity. Let me ask you, Joe, you 554 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: heard him in that press conference. There was no teleprompter there, 555 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: there were no prepared remarks. He came out there and 556 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: sort of shot from the hit oh gosh, sort of 557 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: spoke off the top of his head. 558 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's true. Whether they, you know, see 559 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 5: that as a good moment for him, since this seems 560 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 5: to be a moment by a moment issue for the 561 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 5: Biden campaign right now, I guess has yet to be seen. 562 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 5: But you know, it was fairly early in the day. 563 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 5: He had a very specific topic, and we know that 564 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 5: Joe Biden, as the consolar in chief, is pretty good 565 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 5: at this. And you know, as you guys were discussing 566 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 5: kind of reaching out to Donald which was an interesting moment. 567 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 5: Maybe they wouldn't have done that if there had been 568 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 5: a teleprompter in the room. But chalking up wins for 569 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 5: Joe Biden political wins kind of tough this weekend. 570 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course, I want to also update you 571 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 2: president former President Trump's current whereabouts have not been confirmed. 572 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: This is according She's senior Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Sialia Mosen. 573 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,479 Speaker 2: She says, about thirty minutes ago, as we brought to you, 574 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: there was an update from Trump posted on his account 575 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: on truth Social But we don't know exactly where he 576 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 2: is right now, and that's perfectly fine as long as 577 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 2: he's safe. Immediately after the shooting, when he was seen 578 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: with blood on his ear in his face, he was speaking, 579 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: and microphones, as we heard earlier, picked up his voice saying, 580 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 2: let me get my shoes. Let me get my shoes. 581 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 2: So he is in a safe, secure location. We want 582 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: to turn now to Terry Haynes of Pangaea Policy. Terry, 583 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 2: we've got a little bit more information. Now. Do we 584 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 2: know that Donald Trump was injured. One rally goer was killed, 585 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 2: Two other rally goers are critically injured. The shooter was 586 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: taken down very quickly. If that audio is to be 587 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: interpreted that way, What are you hearing at this. 588 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: Point, Well, I'm hearing and looking at all the same 589 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: things you're looking at. Frankly, you know, I'm from western Pennsylvania. 590 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: I have some familiarity with that ground and it is 591 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: it is fairly you know that stage, aside that that's 592 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: a fairly open area. And I don't know what they 593 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: did in order to secure the perimeter or anything else. 594 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: And I'm certainly not blaming the service for doing their jobs, 595 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: but that's a difficult perimeter to defend. And you know, 596 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: I think we're all we're all fortunate that the president 597 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: got out, the former president got out with as little 598 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,959 Speaker 1: apparent injury as he did. 599 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 2: It's interesting that you would bring that up. We were 600 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: talking with one of our reporters who was actually there, 601 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 2: and she said there were fifteen thousand rally goers, there 602 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 2: were metal detectors, and that the perimeter had been swept, 603 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 2: and that it seemed I mean, most people who we've 604 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 2: talked to about this have said that they were really 605 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 2: surprised anybody could have gotten up onto an elevated position 606 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 2: with an ar rifle, an ar style rifle, as the 607 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: Secret Service has described it. Clearly, Uh, security is going 608 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 2: to be beefed up for everybody at this point, no, 609 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 2: no question about that. But at the same time, it's 610 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 2: not like we weren't worried about this already. And by we, 611 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: I mean the American people. We did a Bloomberg poll 612 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 2: back in May that showed Democrats, Republicans, and mostly independents 613 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 2: were concerned that this particular campaign would be marked with 614 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 2: political violence. 615 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, there's yeah, all those all those things are true, 616 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: and I you know, was subscribed to what you just 617 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: said one hundred percent, I will say on the perimeter, 618 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at one network that's got a kind 619 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: of a Google map style visual of the thing. Uh, 620 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: you know that there's you know, my concern about it 621 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: was as far as the perimeter goes is yeah, they 622 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure they swept everybody was in. And at the 623 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 1: same time, it's the stage aside, it's a really open area. 624 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: It's not like we're talking about a baseball park or 625 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: something right for the complete enclosure. So uh yeah, I am. 626 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: You know, I'm surprised and saddened to hear that. You know, 627 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: somebody could get rifle access, but even from a great distance. 628 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: But my recollection of the places that that you know, 629 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: is that might well have been possible. Now that said, 630 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: as far as the as far as the political violence goes, 631 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: you know, we've got a situation for markets, and I'm 632 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: always careful to talk about it, talk about things in 633 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: a in a market sense. You're still there, I am, 634 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: I am, yes, okay, good because I'm getting one of 635 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: your producers calling me different life anyway, the uh anyway, 636 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: the uh, I'm always careful to talk talk with you 637 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: all about market sense. I mean, we're already in a 638 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: situation where there's the highest twe of political risk in 639 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: fifty years, where we're in increased US political instability was 640 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: already essentially given for US and world markets, and now 641 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 1: you know that's increased markedly tonight between tonight and between 642 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: the events of the last two weeks with the President 643 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: Biden and the Democratic attempts to remove him as the nominee. 644 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: So you know, this goes well beyond a bad look 645 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: for the United States tonight. There's a lot of people 646 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: around the world that are saying that are our friends, 647 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 1: saying what is exact exactly is going on over there, 648 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: And there was a lot of our enemies that are 649 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: very much cheered by what happened tonight, and that's all 650 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: very bad for markets. 651 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 2: That is exactly what I wanted to talk to you about. 652 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 2: We have been seeing all of the post's social media posts, 653 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 2: the releases that have been coming from world leaders all 654 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 2: condemning political violence, that they all seem to be of 655 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 2: one voice. And yet here we are and we just 656 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 2: had NATO in Washington, d c. Leave just yesterday. You know, 657 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 2: the world leaders with NATO, does this speak to I 658 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 2: don't know our system, how America is right now, the 659 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: Biden administration, a future Trump administration. What does this tell you? 660 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the other side 661 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: of the usual rhetoric at a time like this. Uh, 662 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: this says, this says I believe, and I would tell 663 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: anybody there's there's less here. I don't just I don't 664 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: make light of any of this, but I think there's 665 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: a little bit a lot less here than than meets 666 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: the eye. What you've gotten, what you've gotten in American 667 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: politics is a situation where we're purists on both sides. 668 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm not going to call them extremists, but purists on 669 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: both sides. Certainly, people who want their way in no 670 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: other way are are over over important factors in American 671 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,760 Speaker 1: political life. When the vast majority, I mean the vast 672 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: majority of people in this country want solutions, they want bipartisanship, 673 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: they want people to kind of work and move forward. 674 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean, what you've got is, uh, is is people 675 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: on both sides straining is the bit to have everything 676 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: their own way, and uh and uh kind of frustrating 677 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: that sort of progress. And so what you see both 678 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: in the rhetoric, the and the way the rhetoric politically, 679 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: the way politicians pander to it, the way and uh, 680 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: and the events that surround it, uh and again on 681 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: both sides. I think this is is true of what's 682 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: going on with the Democrats and President Biden as it 683 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: is of what happened tonight. What you've got is a 684 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: situation where a lot of that, a lot of that 685 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: sort of spilling out. It's easy to make it into 686 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: a funhouse mirror where it indicts the entire political system 687 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: and in the country at large. I don't think that's true, 688 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: but it's a but it's a very bad moment for 689 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: the country, and we have lacked Our politicians on both 690 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: sides have lacked, among other things, humility for quite a while, 691 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: and they act as if there's no consequences for what 692 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: they might say or do. And it's time for them 693 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: all to understand that there are consequences of these sorts 694 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: of things, and one of the consequences I think we're 695 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 1: seeing tonight. 696 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 2: President Biden. During his statement earlier, he indicated that he 697 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 2: wanted to talk directly to a former President Trump and 698 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 2: called him Donald, which I don't know that I've heard 699 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 2: him do that in a long time, especially since the 700 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 2: campaign has really become so geared up as we approach. 701 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 2: Remember he called him Donald. Seems like that personal note 702 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 2: that he was trying to put out there. If you're 703 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 2: President Biden, what could you possibly say? 704 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: I think you say, I'm sorry that this happened to you. 705 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: You know, I feel for you. I hope you're well. 706 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: Uh tell me about that, and let's let's well and 707 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: let's let's let's work together. I mean, if I were 708 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,760 Speaker 1: President Biden, what I would say to former President Trump 709 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: is very simply, Uh, let's work together to try to 710 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: lower the lower the rhetoric and lower the tone. Uh, 711 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:24,280 Speaker 1: lower the lower, the lower the high tensions. Uh and 712 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: uh and try together, uh to create a situation where 713 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: uh where the high tensions of the moment, uh, you know, 714 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: don't continue and our lesson to some extent. Uh and uh. 715 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: You know, if I were advising President Biden, that's certainly 716 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: what I would advise him to do, and I would 717 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: hope he would. 718 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 2: Uh. Terry Haynes with Pangaea policy, I want you to 719 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 2: stand by if if you don't mind, I've kept you 720 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,720 Speaker 2: quite a long time. If you could just take a breath. 721 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 2: I'm going to turn for just a moment to Jody 722 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 2: Schneider with Bloomberg. She is on the ground in Milwaukee, Jody, 723 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 2: just to sort of recap what we've been seeing. We're 724 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 2: getting a lot more information, of course about who's been injured, 725 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,280 Speaker 2: who was killed, a president, former president Trump's status, and 726 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 2: now we're seeing that BET's on a Trump victory in 727 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,760 Speaker 2: the November elections surged after he posted on truth social 728 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 2: that he was shot in the right ear when gunfire 729 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 2: erupted at his rally. Does that at all surprise you? 730 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 4: It really doesn't surprise me. There tends to be a 731 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 4: lot of sympathy and things in these kinds of situations. 732 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 4: And also it plays into president the former president's narrative 733 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 4: that you know, he is tough, he is strong, you 734 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 4: know this this kind of this happening at a rally, 735 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 4: it has this whole kind of it would appeal very 736 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 4: much to his maga crowd. So that doesn't surprise me. 737 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 4: Now again, these situations, thinks are you know, very fluid 738 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 4: at first, you know, you took a poll. Now it 739 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 4: will tell you one thing. A week from now, it 740 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 4: will tell you something. It could tell you something very different. 741 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 4: But the timing is certainly very interesting, given that he 742 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 4: is to come to Milwaukee, uh, you know, to for 743 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 4: this week to be his sort of the real affirmation 744 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 4: of him as the head of the ticket, the Republican 745 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 4: nominee and really they head of the Republican Party. 746 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 3: Now. 747 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 4: So this happened just before he was to come here. 748 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 4: This is his last rally before he showed up in 749 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 4: Milwaukee for his nomination. 750 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, this was supposed to be the big gear up 751 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 2: rally before the Republican convention, and at that convention, all 752 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 2: eyes were on the convention because everybody wants to know 753 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 2: who the vice presidential candidate is going. 754 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 4: To be, right, We thought that was really you know, 755 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 4: that's what we were all trained on at this point 756 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 4: to see what that was going to be. And news 757 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 4: sets a way of kind of changing the narrative, doesn't it. 758 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 4: But at this point, you know, we're starting to talk 759 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 4: some people in the field here and there's and the 760 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 4: Republicans who are starting to gather here are telling us that, 761 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 4: you know, they're very much behind him, and it looks 762 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 4: like this will bolster it will probably also bolster his funderation. 763 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 2: Oh indeed, I have not even thought about the fundrating. 764 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 2: Yet what else are you hearing on the ground there 765 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 2: in Milwaukee? Are people beginning to gather in the city 766 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 2: to prepare for the event that begins on Monday already? 767 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's not big crowds yet. Most of the people 768 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 4: who are coming, you know, we'll start coming in tomorrow 769 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 4: and then it really starts on Monday. But we were 770 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 4: hearing from some Republicans, you know, the registered Republicans saying, 771 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 4: first of all, there's you know, shocks. You don't think 772 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 4: something like this is going to happen, but they think 773 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 4: it helps him. It shows that you know there that 774 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 4: there's a lot of people behind him. Uh. And of 775 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 4: course we don't know much about the shooter or what 776 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 4: you know, that will come out in coming days. But 777 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 4: at this point, I think, you know what the themes 778 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 4: that we're hearing this early on, and it is early on, 779 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,399 Speaker 4: it's only hours since it's happened, is that a lot 780 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,720 Speaker 4: of support for the former president and also the current 781 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 4: president and others law makers and Capitol Hill Democrats and 782 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 4: Republicans both giving their support, saying this should not be happening, 783 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 4: condemning this kind of political violence. We heard from President 784 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 4: Biden into the camera, made statement and had also sent 785 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,760 Speaker 4: a statement and said he was reaching out to President 786 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 4: the former president when he would hope to speak to 787 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 4: him this evening. 788 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to talk to you about President Biden's statement. 789 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 2: We have been so focused on his age and his 790 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 2: mental acuity over the past couple of weeks. But he 791 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 2: came out and made that statement. As far as I know, 792 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 2: he did not have a teleprompter. He was just speaking. 793 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 2: Whether it was exemporaneously or not, I do not know. 794 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 4: But yeah, it's interesting how the narrative changes. Right, We've 795 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 4: been so focused on that, and in this moment, he 796 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 4: was being kind of the comforter in chief. He was 797 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 4: the president of the US talking to us at a 798 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 4: moment of shocks. 799 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 2: Significant that he referred to former President Trump as Donald. 800 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. You might have thought he would have 801 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,800 Speaker 4: said the former president. But he clearly though, was trying 802 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,759 Speaker 4: to speak in a way that was comforting and that 803 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 4: was condemning violence, that was saying that this has no 804 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 4: place in America, which is a very kind of presidential 805 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 4: thing to do. Joe Biden is good in these moments. 806 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 4: He has been a good comfort in chief. He came, 807 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 4: you know, had a lot of tragedy in his own 808 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 4: life and with you know, family members, and I think 809 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 4: he you know, it is something he is he is 810 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 4: skilled at in terms of these kinds of moments. 811 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 2: And Jody, I know that you were on short on 812 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 2: time this evening, but I did want to get your 813 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 2: thoughts on something that we talked about earlier. I was 814 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 2: speaking with Bloomberg's Joe Matthew and he made the comment, 815 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 2: and I think it's it's important to remember, you know, 816 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 2: over the next twenty four to thirty six hours, we're 817 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 2: going to hear a lot of rhetoric. We're going to 818 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 2: hear a lot of conjecture. We're going to hear a 819 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 2: lot of new is going to be coming at us 820 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,720 Speaker 2: full steam ahead. I'd like to know what you because 821 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 2: this is your gig, this is what you do. What 822 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 2: are you going to be watching for? What's important? 823 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we're going to be watching for, first 824 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 4: of all, any news about the shooter and what the uh, 825 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 4: you know, what what we can find out there about 826 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 4: what the intentions were, perhaps whether this is at all organized, 827 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 4: you know, I think that will tell us some things. 828 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,360 Speaker 4: It is also going to be Obviously the security in 829 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 4: Milwaukee will be very, very tight. It was already expected 830 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 4: to be tight. What does that mean? What does it 831 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 4: mean for the schedule in Milwaukee? Things may change and 832 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 4: there's a lot of events, you know, does this change 833 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 4: that at all? 834 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 2: Uh? 835 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 4: And also what does this do in in the race? 836 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: You know? 837 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 4: Again, what will well, obviously this one would expect that 838 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 4: the supporters of the former president, this will make them 839 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 4: even more for supporters. But what does it change anything 840 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 4: about those who are undecided people in swing states? And again, 841 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,320 Speaker 4: the current president and how does this affect his chances 842 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,280 Speaker 4: and the situation with him and his party? 843 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,840 Speaker 2: All right, Bloombrooks, Jody Schneider, thank you so much for 844 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 2: taking the time with us this evening. We've kept you 845 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,319 Speaker 2: a very long time and we appreciate you staying with us. 846 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 2: And we are continuing our coverage of the shooting that 847 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 2: happened at former President Donald Trump's campaign rally. It was 848 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 2: a rally that was designed to sort of gear up 849 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,840 Speaker 2: into the Republican National Convention, which kicks off on Monday. 850 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 2: That's where Jody is. In fact, she's in Milwaukee along 851 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 2: with Bloombergs Joe Matthew getting ready for that convention. Donald 852 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,720 Speaker 2: Trump says he was hit in the ear during that rally. 853 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 2: The shooter who opened fire is dead. An attendee was 854 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 2: also killed, and two other people were critically injured. Donald 855 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,799 Speaker 2: Trump saying that he is fine, He's been evaluated at 856 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 2: a medical facility. And now we are just looking ahead 857 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,120 Speaker 2: to see how this impacts not just the convention and 858 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 2: not just the campaign, but the rhetoric that surrounds the 859 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 2: politics in America today. Turning now back to Terry Haynes 860 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 2: at Pangaea Policy. I asked this question of Joe, I 861 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 2: asked this question of Jody, and now I'm going to 862 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 2: ask you, Terry, over the next twenty four to thirty 863 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,440 Speaker 2: six hours, how do you separate the week from the chaff? 864 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 2: How do you listen to everything that's going to be 865 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,800 Speaker 2: coming at us and figure out what's important and what's 866 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 2: just noise. 867 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: I think the next twenty four to thirty six hours, frankly, 868 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,320 Speaker 1: is going to be mostly noise and very little signal 869 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: you're going to get. Then you you've referred to a 870 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:42,279 Speaker 1: lot of this already tonight. Yeah, they're going to try 871 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,360 Speaker 1: We're going to try to figure out who the shooter 872 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,360 Speaker 1: was what that person's motivation was. We're gonna We're going 873 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,280 Speaker 1: to figure out uh the other, uh, the other damage 874 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 1: that happened to at least one person apparently killed, others 875 00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:02,320 Speaker 1: potentially injured. There's going to be a storyline surrounding, surrounding 876 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,799 Speaker 1: the Secret Service, frankly, about whether they could have done 877 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: anything more or less or anything else. Aside from that, 878 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 1: what you're going to get is you're going to get 879 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,839 Speaker 1: Trump going to the going to the convention of Milwaukee. 880 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: And what I would be looking for, frankly, is whether 881 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: Trump takes this as kind of a business as usual 882 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 1: moment or its kind of a triumphalist moment. You know, 883 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: we've seen Trump as a politician over the last decade, 884 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,759 Speaker 1: and a lot of what is a lot of what 885 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,479 Speaker 1: his reactions to events have been in the past would 886 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: lead would lead people to a conclusion that he's going 887 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,760 Speaker 1: to be triumphalist. In the convention, tone will get even 888 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: shriller and and you know, of shrill, even more shrill 889 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,799 Speaker 1: than it is right now. He'd be wise, though, I think, 890 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,319 Speaker 1: and I'd watch this wise to take a little bit 891 00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: more presidential tone and do things to try to lesson 892 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,799 Speaker 1: the rhetoric provide a performance very similar to that which 893 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 1: he did in the debate, which frankly, would have a 894 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,279 Speaker 1: broader appeal to the rest of the party which he 895 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 1: needs and the independence which he needs because right now, 896 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,480 Speaker 1: unlike twenty sixteen, he's not presiding over a united Party 897 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 1: and he's not appealing to the majority of independence. He 898 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 1: needs to do that. He can't do that by ramping 899 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: up further the rhetoric of US versus them. He can 900 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: do that by being a little bit more presidential. 901 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 2: We do have a statement from the Trump campaign and 902 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,359 Speaker 2: the Republican National Committee and would like to read it 903 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,880 Speaker 2: to you and get your thoughts. As was communicated earlier 904 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,560 Speaker 2: this evening, President Trump is doing well and grateful to 905 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,840 Speaker 2: law enforcement and first responders for their fast action. President 906 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,359 Speaker 2: Trump looks forward to joining you all in Milwaukee as 907 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,799 Speaker 2: we proceed with our convention to nominate him to serve 908 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 2: as the forty seventh President of the United States. As 909 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,840 Speaker 2: our party's nominee, President Trump will continue to share his 910 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,279 Speaker 2: vision to make America a great again. So we're hearing 911 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,640 Speaker 2: from the campaign, but it seems very vanilla. You know, 912 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,480 Speaker 2: He's okay, He's going to be here. He's grateful. Let's 913 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 2: move on. That's what it sounds like. Am I wrong? 914 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? No, you're right. And you know, vanilla is underrated 915 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,840 Speaker 1: as a great flavor in politics, and they need to 916 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,799 Speaker 1: put shorter what I did longer a minute ago. They 917 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 1: need a little more vanilla. There's plenty of spice in 918 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,480 Speaker 1: their candidate. There's plenty of spice in their campaign. They 919 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: need a little more vanilla. And you know, you know, 920 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,120 Speaker 1: like that that great Julie Andrew's character had of a 921 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 1: spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, and they 922 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 1: need a little more of that. So you know, that 923 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 1: might be the beginning of will be beginning of what 924 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm suggesting. 925 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,400 Speaker 2: Now, there's this thought, and you would be able to 926 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 2: speak to this better than anyone. I think that we 927 00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,279 Speaker 2: we don't dismiss this. This was very, very serious, but 928 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,719 Speaker 2: the candidate's okay, let's move forward. Let's try to do 929 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 2: business as usual, maybe with a little rah rah. I 930 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 2: survive an assassination attempts, sort of like you know, this 931 00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,839 Speaker 2: happened to me. I made it through. I'm strong, I'm tough. 932 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,839 Speaker 2: Let's keep going. There's also the school of thought that 933 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,680 Speaker 2: they could make a bigger deal out of it and 934 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,359 Speaker 2: use it to not use it, but speak to the 935 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:31,280 Speaker 2: divisive rhetoric in this country, Like what should a campaign 936 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,280 Speaker 2: do when something like this happens. Do you move forward 937 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,400 Speaker 2: and try to dismiss it at least somewhat or do 938 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 2: you use it? 939 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,040 Speaker 1: Well, you use it regardless. But what I would suggest 940 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:48,400 Speaker 1: is that maybe a little counterintuitive to people, you know, 941 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,600 Speaker 1: you use it in this way. People already understand. I mean, 942 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, everybody in the country understand what happened. They 943 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,200 Speaker 1: understand it's a big deal. They understand that Trump just 944 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 1: had a brush with and I you know, I don't 945 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: think that that's too much to say he did the 946 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,359 Speaker 1: But I think the last thing you need to do 947 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 1: is stand on a soapbox and yell all those things. 948 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,919 Speaker 1: Uh they you know, you you you take them in, 949 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,760 Speaker 1: you embody them. Uh, but you say, look, let's go forward. 950 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,480 Speaker 1: This only shows how important the issues that we're fighting 951 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: for are. Uh, you know, you know, and and you 952 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,799 Speaker 1: know frankly, what we need to do and uh And 953 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,480 Speaker 1: the political twist on this, I think is that, uh, 954 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,640 Speaker 1: you say that you are the candidate best able frankly 955 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: to you know, move past this moment in politics and 956 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,960 Speaker 1: uh and do what needs to be done and uh 957 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,800 Speaker 1: and express how it needs to be done. Uh. It 958 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,600 Speaker 1: is a symptom, I would say, you know that they 959 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,880 Speaker 1: should say, Uh, it is a this is a symptom 960 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,880 Speaker 1: of the very kinds of things we need to do 961 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,720 Speaker 1: to change Uh, not just the tone of the debate 962 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,839 Speaker 1: and the country, but actually kind of move that move 963 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: the country forward. Uh. You put the other side on 964 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,799 Speaker 1: the back foot without without overtly appearing to do it, 965 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 1: and and uh, I think that's that's the tactic that 966 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 1: works best with people. 967 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:15,960 Speaker 2: Uh. 968 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,400 Speaker 1: You know, I would not suggest, just to be really clear, 969 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,439 Speaker 1: I would not suggest that we're in a situation where 970 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,560 Speaker 1: that we would be with almost any other Republican where 971 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,040 Speaker 1: Biden's difficulties over the last two weeks mean that there 972 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,480 Speaker 1: is a leakage that goes directly from Biden to the 973 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,759 Speaker 1: to the other side. There is a huge resistance by 974 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: people even that are marginally for by UH to to 975 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,320 Speaker 1: voting for Trump. So you're not gonna if you're Trump, 976 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,480 Speaker 1: and you understand that, and you know it, and I 977 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,400 Speaker 1: do think they do the last thing you're going to do, 978 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,720 Speaker 1: the last thing that's going to be beneficial to you 979 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,120 Speaker 1: politically is overdoing it on overdoing it on the politics, 980 00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,839 Speaker 1: overdoing it on the uh. You know, we've battled at 981 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,200 Speaker 1: the gates of the Lord sort of thing, and you 982 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,440 Speaker 1: know this is a you know, this just just shows 983 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,000 Speaker 1: how wonderful and pure we all are and how terrific 984 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,200 Speaker 1: all this is, and you know how important it is. 985 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,160 Speaker 1: You don't you know, you don't need to say any 986 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,880 Speaker 1: of that. You need to actually disassociate yourself from that 987 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,400 Speaker 1: and just say, you know, we're the best position and 988 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,120 Speaker 1: move forward here. And you know, I'm offering my hand 989 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,800 Speaker 1: to people who want to change the country for the better. 990 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,040 Speaker 1: And you know, I think he gets the I think 991 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,680 Speaker 1: he gets much more political benefit out of that than 992 00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:36,400 Speaker 1: getting shrill. 993 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,960 Speaker 2: One last question before we let you go, Cherry. The 994 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 2: Biden campaign, they have a fine line that they have 995 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:42,960 Speaker 2: to walk. 996 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,279 Speaker 1: Well, they have a very fine line they have to walk. 997 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,640 Speaker 1: I think the president, you know, you know, in terms 998 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,600 Speaker 1: of you know, politics is a hard business and his 999 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,040 Speaker 1: cold business. And the hard and cold part of this 1000 00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 1: is that the president gets to demonstrate his sentience, the 1001 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,319 Speaker 1: fact that he's there, he's with it, and that he's 1002 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, responding to this tragedy and dealing with it affirmatively, 1003 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,200 Speaker 1: and he gets to use that. So I think you'll 1004 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,640 Speaker 1: see a lot more out of the White House. I 1005 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,480 Speaker 1: don't think Biden statement is a one off. I think 1006 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,040 Speaker 1: you'll see a lot more out of the White House 1007 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,400 Speaker 1: over the next twenty four forty seventy two hours about this, 1008 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,600 Speaker 1: what they're doing, how they're investigating, how they're trying to 1009 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,400 Speaker 1: move forward, all the rest. The other thing is that, 1010 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of all this, the president 1011 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,400 Speaker 1: is getting mixed signals from his own party, with some 1012 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,000 Speaker 1: party luminaries wanting him to go, and many others and 1013 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,720 Speaker 1: this guy buried in the news tonight, but many others 1014 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: even in Congress, suggesting that he ought to stay. And 1015 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,360 Speaker 1: he needs to keep working that and keep moving that forward. 1016 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:58,240 Speaker 1: He is breaking a he's breaking a big convention this 1017 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: week by having press interviews, including Monday night with NBC, 1018 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,200 Speaker 1: and I expect him to keep breaking those norms over 1019 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,160 Speaker 1: the week. But he's you know, he needs to keep 1020 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,720 Speaker 1: you know, without respect to Trump, but he needs to 1021 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,280 Speaker 1: keep showing that he's up to the job. And if 1022 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,720 Speaker 1: he does that, and in part by dealing with the 1023 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,800 Speaker 1: assassination attempt, you know that best helps him. 1024 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,160 Speaker 2: Terry Haynes, Pangaea Policy. On that note, we're going to 1025 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 2: let you have the rest of your evening. Thank you 1026 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,880 Speaker 2: so much for spending the evening with us, for helping 1027 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,080 Speaker 2: us bring this down to some manageable proportions. This has 1028 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,120 Speaker 2: been a very, very interesting and pivotal day on the 1029 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,880 Speaker 2: campaign trail, and we thank our audience for staying with 1030 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:48,640 Speaker 2: us throughout this. After former President Donald Trump says he 1031 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,040 Speaker 2: was hit the ear during a Pennsylvania rally when a 1032 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,040 Speaker 2: shooter opened fire. That shooter, now dead, an attendee of 1033 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,760 Speaker 2: that rally, also killed two other people. The Secret Services 1034 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,360 Speaker 2: have been critically injured. Donald Trump says he is and 1035 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,880 Speaker 2: that he is ready to attend the Republican National Convention, 1036 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,320 Speaker 2: which is set to begin on Monday. This rally, in fact, 1037 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,919 Speaker 2: was the gear up to that convention. We are learning 1038 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,320 Speaker 2: from the Secret Service that multiple shots were fired from 1039 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,280 Speaker 2: an elevated position at the rally. President Biden came out 1040 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,000 Speaker 2: with a statement saying there was no place for such 1041 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,800 Speaker 2: violence and that he hopes to speak with Donald Trump 1042 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,240 Speaker 2: in the near future that after he does, he will 1043 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 2: have something else to say before the American public. Much 1044 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,400 Speaker 2: more of this still to come. You've been listening to 1045 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:36,360 Speaker 2: continuing coverage of the shooting at the Trump rally in Pennsylvania. 1046 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,680 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. I'm Amy Morris and this 1047 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:40,360 Speaker 2: is Blimber