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Speaker 1: I am Tank, I'm J Valentine and this is the
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Speaker 1: R and B is here today. He is he here
Speaker 1: all days. One of the architects architects discography, uh eight
Speaker 1: bar to sixteen far turnaround King and the Bridge brought
Speaker 1: his own sound, gets own sound. Huh. The man got
Speaker 1: his own sound. The man got his own sound man,
Speaker 1: the man with messiment, oscillators and stuff to make these sounds.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, we have in the building super producer
Speaker 1: brother Mr Mike s like y'all having um. This clows
Speaker 1: this claimed I mean, okay, I know these guys, so
Speaker 1: they you can look him up. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You should know. Um. I thought I had a single
Speaker 1: one day of hollis there. We'll start here and then
Speaker 1: we'll go back right to I want to go right there.
Speaker 1: I thought I had a single, you know, and uh
Speaker 1: and Dreano came and picked me up and price something
Speaker 1: for something. I think it was the band bands By. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he came and picked me up and he was like,
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, you do you do a smash records?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You're doing crazy records, brothers,
Speaker 1: But we're going with this MC city record. I said,
Speaker 1: what what are you? What are you talking about? He
Speaker 1: sounds like like your record is not the one because
Speaker 1: he sounds like just like we're going to City Record.
Speaker 1: It's a spec it's just you played that. And I
Speaker 1: was like, it's just smash. But I'm just sad. I
Speaker 1: you like three of mine, You're gonna throw when you
Speaker 1: learn with the difference between it's matching the hit. Bro
Speaker 1: listen because it's a record that could be a hit,
Speaker 1: but it's it's record that scene and you reminds me off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think nights how I used to beat it up?
Speaker 1: We know, Oh my god, isn't it crazy how back
Speaker 1: then beat it up was almost a problem. It was
Speaker 1: almost it was you know what I'm saying, it was
Speaker 1: having a problem for me. But you're not saying as
Speaker 1: far as radio on platforms, you know it was from
Speaker 1: then to now, I think that was racy. It was aggressive.
Speaker 1: It's and you know, we and I remember Steve irt
Speaker 1: was saying, like did that boy say beat it up?
Speaker 1: Did he say? He was like, and he sang it,
Speaker 1: and he was like, Okay, we're gonna play it. But
Speaker 1: he's saying beat it up now like the nights I
Speaker 1: used to beat it up. Yeah, I would do it again,
Speaker 1: but I can't. Everything is different. Okay, let's talk about it,
Speaker 1: because I would love to talk about we're gonna start normally.
Speaker 1: We'd like to start at the beginning. We're gonna start here,
Speaker 1: then we're gonna go back. Come on my city, let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. So he was there, so I think
Speaker 1: at that time, if you remember, Day was dealing with
Speaker 1: something with his wife. He at the time, I said, David,
Speaker 1: try to write something to help you stay up in
Speaker 1: the marriage, like to stay whatever this is. And I
Speaker 1: think what. I'm not sure at the time, but she
Speaker 1: was cool, you know what I'm saying. And I was like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna I'm gonna come on with this. And at
Speaker 1: first he was like, I don't know about that city
Speaker 1: because we had other joint. I said, come on, Dave,
Speaker 1: youve me a try, give me a try. So I
Speaker 1: played for Gerald Busby was like, oh, not only are
Speaker 1: we cutting this the first single before we cut it.
Speaker 1: We was at west Lake on Bella. Not only are
Speaker 1: we cutting it as the first single, and he got
Speaker 1: the album done, like in two weeks. Gerald had got
Speaker 1: his MS, The Child at Night, the whole not so
Speaker 1: what I did. And I was just telling J. I said, Dave,
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna you ain't gonna be you ain't gonna
Speaker 1: preach on this one. You're gonna sitting there, You're gonna
Speaker 1: be in the booth. You're gonna be allowed singer. I
Speaker 1: don't know what he had, he might have a single more,
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's He's like, it's so fun.
Speaker 1: They just moved it all the way out. And then
Speaker 1: getting back to our constant conversation, we got to the bridge.
Speaker 1: I said, Dave, you're going commission. He's like, yes, do,
Speaker 1: let's do it. And we went commission. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't know one. I don't know one legit, R
Speaker 1: and B artist or group who's ever lost on commission
Speaker 1: if you can talk about one twelve, I don't know
Speaker 1: one who ever lost. They've never lost. You. You gained
Speaker 1: the audience from that lesson. That's just what it is,
Speaker 1: and take it still do. Army Records years later because
Speaker 1: he's still got the commission lessons before we go. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want quick question, did you write
Speaker 1: that record top to bottom? Because that should be Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like your attitude a man that walks in
Speaker 1: the studio and says, here goes a song completely, that's
Speaker 1: a different breed. No, no, it's just it's a different
Speaker 1: breed of creative. I want to go back, Okay on
Speaker 1: my drink champs rant Okay, I want to I want
Speaker 1: to go, I want to back. I want to because no,
Speaker 1: he dropped the jewels back away from and add another
Speaker 1: person to the hundred percenters. I omitted you in that. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no you Mike City is a hundred represent with smashes smash.
Speaker 1: I'm no you should. You should be saluted and celebrated
Speaker 1: for that, because that is not an easy feat. Like
Speaker 1: there are guys who can really write songs, There are
Speaker 1: guys who can do great beats, there are guys who
Speaker 1: can produce Those are all separate things. But for someone
Speaker 1: to be able to bring all that into one's an
Speaker 1: amazing feat. Man, Because and and and so many people
Speaker 1: have tried it are so many people have said they
Speaker 1: were those guys and put their names on it, like
Speaker 1: the ghost Everywhere, Ghosting everywhere guys. But it's the crazy
Speaker 1: thing about it is, Like the crazy thing about it
Speaker 1: is I never really it's all fun to me, right,
Speaker 1: So I never really kind of know what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do until I sit down and do it. I'm not
Speaker 1: sitting down practicing, no court, I'm not even a keyboard player.
Speaker 1: I came up playing the drums in the base. But
Speaker 1: that principle allowed me to figure out whatever I need
Speaker 1: to figure out to get what I gotta get done.
Speaker 1: So it's like I don't even sit down and just
Speaker 1: be like I just sit down and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what what do we have today? Like what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's like just like even um working with Brandy.
Speaker 1: I started the track and okay, let's stop there because
Speaker 1: because you're going there, Okay, let's go back to the
Speaker 1: We're gonna get the Brandy to the beginning. Okay, North Carolina, Okay, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: So what is the moment or when is the moment
Speaker 1: where Mike City is is in the headspace of I'm
Speaker 1: I can I can produce, I can actually do this,
Speaker 1: Like this is a this is a real thing. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying outside of being what church musician,
Speaker 1: because for sure, I mean my father was in the Highway.
Speaker 1: QC is big Gospel with my on to play for
Speaker 1: the Mike clause of Jordan, your brother played for the Mighty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's you. Yeah, listen, listen. Somebody had a pistol. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put you in the even respect that. Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta respect. You gotta have any money you have.
Speaker 1: Jola got the money. I can't play with them. Somebody
Speaker 1: somebody had a piston Yeah, what somebody's gonna have your brother? Yeah,
Speaker 1: my brother. You know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 1: and then like when I was young, like um, because
Speaker 1: my father background, people like um, what's one man? Um?
Speaker 1: Johnny Taylor is to come by the house friends of
Speaker 1: my file. I don't know where they are. They just
Speaker 1: older dudes, because come and kill you, pops. My pops
Speaker 1: is cool with um, Like um, um, what's my man name?
Speaker 1: Anthony sounded like what's my man name? Because I know
Speaker 1: his doorter here trip um Anthony Hamilton. Yeah, what's what's
Speaker 1: her name's? Father? Frank wax father? Just um Jeffrey No,
Speaker 1: not not Jeffrey m. The old lou Raws like Lou
Speaker 1: Raw and Ros will just come by the house, you know,
Speaker 1: people with lou Raws. Um Um Glenn Jones. Remember seeing
Speaker 1: glim Jones in my house and I was little. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, my brother went to school with My brother
Speaker 1: went to high school with um, what's her name? West
Speaker 1: Philly High with um. I think she's selling shame Evan
Speaker 1: the Champain King. My brother went to high school. Like,
Speaker 1: so this is all around me coming up anyway, right,
Speaker 1: I'm just soaking up the energy. So by time, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm still doing and I'm going around playing and acquiring
Speaker 1: and churches and stuff like um. I think there's an
Speaker 1: advantage to that because I was talking to like Keith
Speaker 1: Pells are produced on different you know, floortry and different things.
Speaker 1: Like we was young going around playing different church and everything.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure I ran across dram you down and
Speaker 1: them we all. Yeah, I'm in Philly books, living in
Speaker 1: South Jersey, which is right of the bridge. You know,
Speaker 1: I got you know, my pops got us out there.
Speaker 1: I mean we had a station wagon, stole one week,
Speaker 1: got another and stole another one in Westfill, like consecutive
Speaker 1: weeds like we're going to South Jersey. Here we are, right,
Speaker 1: So all that energy is helping, you know, breathe, like
Speaker 1: confidence in doing what you do. Now. When I went
Speaker 1: to college, I started as a business major. Right, I
Speaker 1: heard boys the Man Why Yate stepmom was my home
Speaker 1: teachering on high school. I was like, Oh, it's musical,
Speaker 1: but it's just it was just too much. I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't run from what I'm supposed to do. Like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to run from it. I'm supposed to do music,
Speaker 1: so I supposed to music, and you know, that's when
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta do this. And really the
Speaker 1: whole thing was I was like it was always the
Speaker 1: show like my boys and my people like I could
Speaker 1: do that. I would hear stuff like I got something
Speaker 1: that I could do that, But right, I have my
Speaker 1: own sounds. So I was like, where do I fit
Speaker 1: in because I don't sound like that. I don't sound
Speaker 1: like that. It's not really always R and B is
Speaker 1: not allay. It's a merger of everything that I am.
Speaker 1: It was like, I mean, I just say when I
Speaker 1: first heard you, as you get into like you starting
Speaker 1: to create that sound. When I first heard it, it
Speaker 1: was like it was like aggressive drums but retro musicality
Speaker 1: almost Stevie wonderous. And that's what I'm saying, Like that
Speaker 1: everything goes to who put all of that together like that?
Speaker 1: And that's that's just what I hear, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like I hear and I hear bridges,
Speaker 1: and I hear all that stuff, But I want to
Speaker 1: hear who under it. I want to hear the trip
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I want to hear dream under it.
Speaker 1: So that was my music was aggressive. It's still aggressive,
Speaker 1: but and aggressive. No, but I'm saying even when you first,
Speaker 1: when you first came in it started that it's just
Speaker 1: like it just hit it just I just just I
Speaker 1: just like it's like I always wanted to give it
Speaker 1: that bounce. So that's why I always say I come
Speaker 1: with the bounce, because it's like, no matter if I
Speaker 1: did it, I did a track of the day when
Speaker 1: I was in the right kid, it's sounding like I
Speaker 1: did it in two thousand two because I know how
Speaker 1: to go right there because I always that's a happy space,
Speaker 1: you know, and I never you know, it's like I
Speaker 1: never had to chase, trap or anything else. I just
Speaker 1: do what I do, not do trap for TV and
Speaker 1: film and different things. But I always just do what
Speaker 1: I do because I'd be like, it's gonna it's gonna last.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna last. And I always feel like if
Speaker 1: it lasts, not try to tell. Like a lot of
Speaker 1: young producers, just do what you feel good about. And
Speaker 1: that's why it's like to feel good and everything, because
Speaker 1: you know, when we do these music like we R
Speaker 1: and B, you don't want to you don't want to
Speaker 1: threaten the checks. You don't want to threatened women. You
Speaker 1: want the beautiful women to stay around. Don't be too threatening.
Speaker 1: You know, Andre Roy just said, don't threaten the women.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, like, keep the women. Don't threaten
Speaker 1: the women. They gotta be all right, and you gotta
Speaker 1: have that energy like you don't want to threaten them.
Speaker 1: As long as the pretty girls and everybody having a
Speaker 1: good time, We have them a good time, and that's
Speaker 1: what it is. The first the first piece of equipment
Speaker 1: you started producing, d X one d a little the
Speaker 1: little keyboard, and I had a Yama Hydru. I had
Speaker 1: that in college. I had a d X one hundred,
Speaker 1: the little version of the d X seven. I couldn't
Speaker 1: afford the d X seven. I bought an a s
Speaker 1: R attendants that are behind the car. I needed a car,
Speaker 1: but I said, I need to get at this point,
Speaker 1: I just got out of college, I said, but I
Speaker 1: needed I need to get right. Once you got to that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I need to get right.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna you know, chicks could clumb me with
Speaker 1: my bummy car. They want to, but I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: a laugh because I'm gonna get right. So I got
Speaker 1: the s R ten and I got to, you know,
Speaker 1: do my ten thousand hours in. Because I always could write,
Speaker 1: I had to get to produce. I could write whatever,
Speaker 1: but I had to. Yeah you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I was the producing out of necessity. Yeah, because I wanted.
Speaker 1: I was. At this point. They couldn't send tracks tracks
Speaker 1: like you know, sending the emailing the NP three over
Speaker 1: just somebody who lives in a whole another country, like
Speaker 1: it's it's funny, like now you it's a kid. They'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, this little rapper got a producer.
Speaker 1: He in Germany. Right. Even even crazier now is the
Speaker 1: guy in Wyoming did the guitars, the guy and did
Speaker 1: the kids, and the guy in Russia did the drums.
Speaker 1: Like that's how crazy it is. It's just crazy. So
Speaker 1: I had to get on the answer. I tend to
Speaker 1: me it was a one hitter quitter. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people using that. Yeah, that's the the MP.
Speaker 1: I was like, let me get on the sock and
Speaker 1: playing my keys and everything and do all this stuff
Speaker 1: and everything and just and just go from there. And
Speaker 1: it just that's how I just came. And my first
Speaker 1: major placement was wrapping fourte my first major place. Man,
Speaker 1: I told you what I had you one day. RBL
Speaker 1: Possumb was my guys. I was out with your guys.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that so I met. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's fly tying guys. I met all them. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: met them and and I met I met um telling
Speaker 1: them to RBL. So you know what I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm going to say that my neighborhood
Speaker 1: Filmo started, Mike Filmo started Mike City. My first major
Speaker 1: places a legend, that's a legend, that's a fact from
Speaker 1: our neighborhood. He had the first platinum record out of
Speaker 1: San Francisco. For a rapper, that's the Players Club. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. If you ever you know you
Speaker 1: want to feel like a player, listen to the club.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Because I went to the Gavin Sessions just
Speaker 1: to get in the mixed. I was like, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: my my big cousin used to be one of people
Speaker 1: put on the game. I went to just getting the
Speaker 1: mix and I started just just getting in pocket with
Speaker 1: people and r B all came up. Boy, I'm out there,
Speaker 1: Black Black Sea and Rest in Peace. One. I didn't
Speaker 1: know him at hit Man Man. Hit Man was with
Speaker 1: all of them out there and we was all out.
Speaker 1: Dear um in Anty, I'm out the anti aquat. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm just I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: getting on in. So this is like how the Bay Area.
Speaker 1: Bay is very inclusive. You're like, if they feel your vibe,
Speaker 1: you're good. If they don't feel your vibe, you gotta god.
Speaker 1: You know what they is? They different like that wife
Speaker 1: from the band, you know what I'm saying, Like the Babes,
Speaker 1: Like if they feel your vibe is it's inclusive. If
Speaker 1: you mind being right, get up out of here, like
Speaker 1: when you're playing with you. So no, so that's so
Speaker 1: doing that, you know, and it's like that jumped it
Speaker 1: off and everything. The first placement, If you don't mind
Speaker 1: me asking you, what do you charge for your first placement?
Speaker 1: My first placement, I think I might have charged two
Speaker 1: jeans or something. I charged twenty. I tried send me
Speaker 1: fine if I wish, but I kept my publishing. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: with the hands though, with the heads. So how between
Speaker 1: those two records, because obviously that's where we wish was
Speaker 1: your second record? I wish because because I said, where
Speaker 1: we all found out about Mike to me, here's the
Speaker 1: here's the thing. At first, I didn't really like what
Speaker 1: R and B was going, so I was like, I
Speaker 1: should be a hip hopatis I just do beats and
Speaker 1: just whatever it is. And I had that that record
Speaker 1: laying around, and then you know, Tough, Tough, m Tough.
Speaker 1: I go up with Tough in Jersey him and calling
Speaker 1: most people. He's like, you're the record. He's like, let me, sure,
Speaker 1: you let me? He said, you ain't got He's like,
Speaker 1: I know you got the record when he played for Carl.
Speaker 1: So at first, it was just the track, just a
Speaker 1: song I had it. I already had it, the song
Speaker 1: was done. I added the bridge. You know what, you
Speaker 1: don't do that, let's expect that. Man. What happened was
Speaker 1: so they played it and Carl loved it. Right. So
Speaker 1: then um calling told um puff about it, and I'm
Speaker 1: up in At this point, I'm in yonkers with DN
Speaker 1: Want and roughly I'm about to get down with them
Speaker 1: because my boy was signing them and I like hip hop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, but you got this R and B.
Speaker 1: I got some R and B stuffy sod is this
Speaker 1: record this point? I probably wrote I wish and it
Speaker 1: comes out with like ninety nine didn't nine nine? Okay,
Speaker 1: so I probably did the beat Ninette nine nine is
Speaker 1: a true story, straight up. You wish you never met her.
Speaker 1: Take it so bad, not to get take it so bad.
Speaker 1: I went back to him. I went back to vote
Speaker 1: one time because my license was still in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: I saw it from a distance. I was about to
Speaker 1: get out again. Didn't don't ever walk down that path again.
Speaker 1: Then real talk. So yeah, so we're throwing all that
Speaker 1: and everything. So um Karl got puffed. Um No, you know,
Speaker 1: listen to the record, I guess or whatever was going on.
Speaker 1: But this is right around the time when the free
Speaker 1: locks campaign was going on. Yeah, this is important story.
Speaker 1: So they called me to the studio. Carl come to
Speaker 1: come to go give to Daddy's house to go give
Speaker 1: a puff, not knowing I'm up there with the rough rider.
Speaker 1: So me, my man a g and this dude, Roger.
Speaker 1: I think he don't know a rough rider. Sure, so
Speaker 1: we get to we get to daddy's house. We get
Speaker 1: in the studio. Now now I know all these people later,
Speaker 1: but it was like Puff, Hard, Conrad, maybe Bobby a
Speaker 1: few other people. Then Puff was like, ye know, who's
Speaker 1: all these things up in here with the studio? Blah blah.
Speaker 1: Y'all know I'm trying to get it. Kicked his out
Speaker 1: the studio. I got kicked out of the daddy's house.
Speaker 1: One hunt it before you ever played the record, fly I.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even play the record. I kicked out the
Speaker 1: daddy's house. I was like, all right, I'm going back
Speaker 1: to Yonkers. A week later, Tough call meus like puff
Speaker 1: her the record. He love the record. We won't cut
Speaker 1: the record. He was like, yo, meet me in the
Speaker 1: Bronx because you know the Yarnkers is Wow, He's like,
Speaker 1: meet me in the Bronx, Come meet me in the Bronx,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go to So I went from getting
Speaker 1: kicked out his daddy's house to being up at sound
Speaker 1: on Sound Electric Lady Um Hit Factory within a matter
Speaker 1: of a week. I was at this point, I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to get on the album. Was no single one
Speaker 1: like he was like, yo, just you can start writing
Speaker 1: and producing people and we will move around like that.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get on the album. So we
Speaker 1: do that record everything. And then I had another record
Speaker 1: that they wanted for Tanya Blunt that she was on
Speaker 1: the label two right, car her the record. He's like,
Speaker 1: give me that record. I'm cutting that record. He took
Speaker 1: the record and that's you ain't right. So that's the
Speaker 1: the record of that guy that got an album called
Speaker 1: took the record right. So we're just trying to get
Speaker 1: on the record, right and that. But during this whole time,
Speaker 1: by all this time happening and stuff already got Sunshine
Speaker 1: tucked away and we're starting to work on Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's when I'm coming over. I went to when I
Speaker 1: was getting out of college. She was coming in college.
Speaker 1: So we've known. I've been kind of grooming her since
Speaker 1: the mid nineties and and I was gonna have a
Speaker 1: production deal with Capital Records back then, but they shut
Speaker 1: down the Black News Department, so that kind of got
Speaker 1: forward and everything. So but she was in DC working
Speaker 1: for the government. Like y'all, it's telling to go. We
Speaker 1: go in to l A. That's how I'm out here.
Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to be here, like we came out
Speaker 1: here to work on an album. I started learning my
Speaker 1: where of my I was like, hey, I kind of
Speaker 1: like this is all right. And the weather. I was like,
Speaker 1: now I'm married with two kids, and you know, likefriend,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, so so so everything
Speaker 1: is just happening at that time. And um, and it's
Speaker 1: crazy because I wind up doing uh I did crawling.
Speaker 1: We recorded I wish I want to say, June. Here's
Speaker 1: another sidebar. You know, I was living in Durham, North
Speaker 1: Carolina front the time, right because most people think that
Speaker 1: you're from North Carolina because I went down I thought
Speaker 1: you were from North Carolina. I went down there and
Speaker 1: stayed after college. So that's how you know, I got
Speaker 1: associated with that and marks watching them now in North Carolina. Right,
Speaker 1: so so so, um so run this time Dune in
Speaker 1: June nine, Um, Corey mcgetty and Elton they my guys,
Speaker 1: they playing that. Dude. I was supposed to with a
Speaker 1: draft in d C with Elton. I couldn't because I
Speaker 1: was in New York doing I wish it's fair trade.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously heber one, go do your work so
Speaker 1: that you can become another It's right, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Right, so you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: because because I remember he told me, he told us
Speaker 1: he was coming out. You know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 1: had broke his foot the year before and he would
Speaker 1: Player of the Year. Remember the draft was in DC
Speaker 1: that year, so I was in New York doing that.
Speaker 1: So everything coming together. I was like, oh, my man's
Speaker 1: draft at number one. I'm doing a record on puff label.
Speaker 1: You don't saying like this could be cool? Like I'm
Speaker 1: starting to move around that fall September October when I
Speaker 1: did it. Um before that was in the same ye
Speaker 1: the same year. It was just and I did that
Speaker 1: with Paky and Sunch. You know what I'm saying that,
Speaker 1: So we started doing all that then everything so it
Speaker 1: seemed like everything still happened the same time. But it
Speaker 1: was like I was kind of already, but you don't
Speaker 1: have an you don't have a deal for Sunshine at
Speaker 1: this No, we didn't have a deal yet came into
Speaker 1: the door. We have to straight up because no question
Speaker 1: because Anthony, Anthony was supposed to come first, because Anthony
Speaker 1: had already had a deal before Hamilton. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm You're supposed to come first. That record went so crazy.
Speaker 1: It was out in l A a whole year. Remember
Speaker 1: before it came out, everybody in l A new the record.
Speaker 1: It was playing that praise those in different club so
Speaker 1: we kind of seated it a whole year before it
Speaker 1: came out. So it's crazy because it's like after Karl
Speaker 1: came out, that's when I got with Day, But I
Speaker 1: had already had Sunshine in the can, just sitting there
Speaker 1: the whole time, just waiting, just waiting a turn everything.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like everything happened, but you gotta
Speaker 1: be prepared when it happened everything, And for me, I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I know what it's like not to have,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna be I'm gonna be prepared. So my sessions.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't be up in here, no, and
Speaker 1: then you ain't gonna be a paining wasting the time.
Speaker 1: We gotta get it the work done. We're gonna have fun,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna get the work done. I gotta be
Speaker 1: a finisher now that I'm in the game right now,
Speaker 1: I gotta be a finisher. We gotta get it done.
Speaker 1: And we got And that's what mindset, because that's what
Speaker 1: you know, We've we've talked about this, you know, many
Speaker 1: times on the podcast at this point, like that's truly
Speaker 1: what a producer is. I gotta be finished. We gotta
Speaker 1: we gotta get finished. We gotta get these vocals out.
Speaker 1: We gotta do this that in the third and I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm singing on Sunshine, I'm a lot because I had
Speaker 1: to get her motivated to go on, let's go, let's go,
Speaker 1: let's get in the move, let's go, and you know,
Speaker 1: you push those right buttons and you get it to
Speaker 1: go and everything. And it was like a lot of
Speaker 1: female some female artists who were big then they wanted
Speaker 1: and labels wanted to get that record. He hell, I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I can't do her. Like they were
Speaker 1: trying to take the record, and they was trying to
Speaker 1: take that. Yeah, they were trying to take the record.
Speaker 1: They're trying to take the record. Was like, no, I
Speaker 1: can't do that. And you know it was heard it
Speaker 1: all before. Um from an experience you might have had
Speaker 1: in the DC, Maryland, Virginia area. I go even deeper.
Speaker 1: I know something I knew her old boyfriend. We didn't
Speaker 1: have to reach for the story we talk. I pulled
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But I'm talking about I'm talking about musically, No, yes,
Speaker 1: go go without a question, a question, without without a question.
Speaker 1: There's a large percentage of go go and hurt because
Speaker 1: asked swing. When you hear the go go version, I've
Speaker 1: heard it all before. Yeah, that's without a question, without
Speaker 1: a question. I wanted that. I wanted I wanted that
Speaker 1: go work, no question from Scott and not argue to
Speaker 1: hot in here with Nellie. It's just work, work and
Speaker 1: do something to you when that when that's man, listen,
Speaker 1: rest in peace of my man. Grandmaster Slice. He had
Speaker 1: one of those. He had that beat on a bat tape.
Speaker 1: He had lect your slide joint back in the day,
Speaker 1: and it went crazy and he ended up being on
Speaker 1: a drive and he had that beating the B tape
Speaker 1: and he he reminded me of it. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I did always like the record. I was like,
Speaker 1: he's like, what you're gonna do it? I said, I
Speaker 1: give me a Minut'm gonna playing for Sunshine. I see
Speaker 1: if she liked it. So I played it for and
Speaker 1: obviously she was just coming from living in d C.
Speaker 1: She was like, yeah, city, let's do that. So I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I want to do her
Speaker 1: all before and I knew her story because it dude
Speaker 1: that she was with. So the first day you meet,
Speaker 1: her and Pinky were sitting there and we came up
Speaker 1: the hook. Pinky don't show up to the session the
Speaker 1: next day. That's why she's not that she's a writer,
Speaker 1: but she probably have had more. But everything happened for
Speaker 1: a reason. So we got that together and next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, I didn't know. I wish
Speaker 1: it was gonna jump off. I knew her that before.
Speaker 1: It had a winning spirit. The song just had a
Speaker 1: it had it had a spiritual like you can't hear
Speaker 1: that and not react, and and and and if you're
Speaker 1: a woman, they're gonna, they're gonna that's gonna resonate with women.
Speaker 1: Heard it all before and everything, you know, so we
Speaker 1: we we had and everything, and I'll never forget. We
Speaker 1: was in New York and meet one time and me
Speaker 1: a tough week. I had to go get a charge
Speaker 1: of something. When I came out the store and Jazzy
Speaker 1: Joyce was playing it a tough look that me. He said,
Speaker 1: it's about to be a problem. He said, New York
Speaker 1: is gonna go crazy with this record. He said. He said,
Speaker 1: I knew it's crazy here in the studio, but hearing
Speaker 1: the blast not of New York speakers, I know what
Speaker 1: this is and it's like just so crazy. It was
Speaker 1: crazy because I remember D from because once I had
Speaker 1: had a relationship with the Rough Light. D call me, No,
Speaker 1: why called me? He said, you know, um, just gonna
Speaker 1: get on this remix. You know what I'm saying, hold
Speaker 1: on before the sun shone joint. And I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I think Fox he supposed to be
Speaker 1: on the remix of that. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: Like that, We had talked about team today, We had
Speaker 1: talked about it. Yos put his own remix out. He
Speaker 1: just put his and how that he said was playing
Speaker 1: his remix. He was like and he when I saw
Speaker 1: He's like, City, I had to what you expect? I
Speaker 1: had to, you see, how to beat this movie? I
Speaker 1: just I mean that's what I do. So was Sunshine
Speaker 1: through your production company? No, it was it was through
Speaker 1: Um Sparking Um and Chris Dawley. I grew up with
Speaker 1: Chris like trip, like like a lot of relationships with
Speaker 1: people I went to school with. I was in fifth
Speaker 1: grade with Chris, Like, we go back to that, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Didn't he always start? It wasn't
Speaker 1: my deal. I always thought that was through you deal
Speaker 1: with Mark Spark and Chris Dawley soul Like, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, um, yeah, we go back. And
Speaker 1: then he started, he got and he started managing like
Speaker 1: nicest mooth and he got older and everything, and obviously
Speaker 1: sparked this shoot from Salt Pepper. So like you know,
Speaker 1: with with with with all that stuff, Spark was just
Speaker 1: showing me through the through the ropes somemember one time
Speaker 1: weeks in New York recording and he was like, Um,
Speaker 1: see City called me, see you see you? We were
Speaker 1: going to l A. I'm like what he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna. We hopped on the t W A t
Speaker 1: W the t W at night listen. We app. I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: ain't got no call. He's like, are We're gonna get
Speaker 1: some clothes? We get there. So we went up. We
Speaker 1: was uptown. We know, we got some like boxers, socks
Speaker 1: and all types of stuff to go to l A.
Speaker 1: We get some clothes, we get there, we get here.
Speaker 1: I think we go to Bedlely Center where we get
Speaker 1: some clothes, and we get here. We go to Enterprise Studio.
Speaker 1: We just touching down. Remember Dana Dane. He's like, yo,
Speaker 1: He's like, took me the fat burgers, like Dana all
Speaker 1: my marrier. He's like, you don't even say my way around.
Speaker 1: I had been here before, Like my first time here
Speaker 1: was back in the day with Malik Levy when I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to do the deal with Capital A G and everything.
Speaker 1: But I hadn't really started to be going to studios
Speaker 1: and everything yet, you know. But my whole journey is crazy,
Speaker 1: like like honestly, when I got when I when I
Speaker 1: first came to l A. The next day, I met
Speaker 1: Aaliyah and Brandy at the Hollywood Roosevelt on on a
Speaker 1: whim just I was standing there and the was downstairs
Speaker 1: doing something on a whim right, didn't at night, I
Speaker 1: end up The first people I met was probably Ian
Speaker 1: Raining and Regina King. I'm end up. I end up
Speaker 1: at their house. The first night I'm literally in l A.
Speaker 1: I Don'm like, okay, you know, just touching down with people.
Speaker 1: And then the next day, I mean with ras like
Speaker 1: these these people I just know since it's like ninety five,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And I first came up,
Speaker 1: I first came to l A. The first time I
Speaker 1: came to l A is when the Chargers in the
Speaker 1: forty nine playing in the super Bowl that weekend, whatever
Speaker 1: weekend that was, whatever weekend it was. I mean it was,
Speaker 1: you know, when the nine is one, we want a
Speaker 1: super Bowl because I see, no, no, this is no
Speaker 1: kind of central egoeah yeah yeah, yeah yea. So you know,
Speaker 1: like just just the whole just the whole experience and everything,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, but I always just I
Speaker 1: try to have fun and everything because it's like it's
Speaker 1: a blessing. Man, we ain't gonna be It's so me
Speaker 1: talented people they don't know where they're starting everything, but
Speaker 1: the one thing you will you gotta do. If you
Speaker 1: don't put in the word, you're gonna start going backwards.
Speaker 1: So let's go back into something you said. You said,
Speaker 1: you said you got paid for I wish, but you
Speaker 1: kept all of your publishing. Yes, I did, And so
Speaker 1: back in those that puff me a person to check.
Speaker 1: So back in back in those days, people are even
Speaker 1: labels for that matter, or you know, the the bite
Speaker 1: out of the publishing. It was a real thing. It
Speaker 1: was a real thing, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: trying to hold on and maintain that it was a
Speaker 1: fight for your life. Here's here, here's what my blessing was.
Speaker 1: Though I used to cut hair, so I didn't have
Speaker 1: to do that record, meaning what meaning I go back
Speaker 1: cut hair and just do what I got a gig. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like and um
Speaker 1: and hocking tough. They ushered me through and everything, and
Speaker 1: they basically said, um, he's gonna give me on the
Speaker 1: publish and if he don't get a check for us,
Speaker 1: what is it. We're gonna take the record some wor else.
Speaker 1: But but I didn't me and Carl was already cool
Speaker 1: and it was so that wasn't gonna happen. But but
Speaker 1: PUFF respected that though, and he was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: he wrote a personal check out of his own thing.
Speaker 1: I should have took it. We didn't have camera phone
Speaker 1: back then, but he wrote me a personal check back then,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I remember the first
Speaker 1: thing I did. You know, back then, I went and
Speaker 1: bought some more like drums, Like I was like, let
Speaker 1: me get some more drums and sample drums because as
Speaker 1: a producer you always want to, you always wanted to.
Speaker 1: You did with your first check. I didn't spend the
Speaker 1: office on it. But I M but look, you know,
Speaker 1: but back then, put back then, it gave him something
Speaker 1: more to right about me? Back what right? The real
Speaker 1: the Low and Heart ld ones on the GS three
Speaker 1: hundred Latinum edition Black Old Black floating through l A man,
Speaker 1: that's how it helped. I pulled up to the strip clubs.
Speaker 1: Oh me but man, and I knew. I knew it
Speaker 1: went from just getting on the album to oh, this
Speaker 1: record is a real record. Right. So then I remember
Speaker 1: one time I had caught the bus back to Jersey,
Speaker 1: my mom and Dad's living down in South Jersey. Um
Speaker 1: and they called me back up to Daddy's asset the
Speaker 1: bus bus from where to where? From port authority? Yeah no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: what happened? Yeah, yeah no. And this is when we're
Speaker 1: still getting everything together for the album. I'm catching it
Speaker 1: back to Jersey. But by then I get a call
Speaker 1: from I think the A and R Bobby Springsteen, and
Speaker 1: somebody's like, how you come back there? You're gonna through
Speaker 1: an impromptu listening party for Carl. I catched the bus
Speaker 1: right back, get a hotel room up there. So I
Speaker 1: get up there, and that's not That's when it really
Speaker 1: became real to me because I remember, um remember jay
Speaker 1: Z pulling me to the side. He was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this record feel like when I was when I was
Speaker 1: a young and rotten with my mom and a bus,
Speaker 1: Like this is giving me the stop to you right now,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was like, and you
Speaker 1: know this is like uh n j D. This is
Speaker 1: right in the middle of jay I mean not that
Speaker 1: that slowed down, but this is right in the middle.
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, And then the next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: they getting everything together and I think they were going
Speaker 1: to come with emotional first. Who did emotional Mario? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you hear, Yeah, there's Cody emotional first. And then he
Speaker 1: was doing the sampler and everything, and it was like
Speaker 1: they switched it up at the last minute. Now by
Speaker 1: this time, I'm living in l A. By Tom Carl
Speaker 1: really comes out right. So I remember, Um, I had
Speaker 1: met Jilil White. Yeah, my god, yeah, and he and
Speaker 1: he and he verified. So Jelil came and I said,
Speaker 1: you lit, I'm working to the jail, I said, with Carl,
Speaker 1: and Carl was, I said, but he's on a bad boy.
Speaker 1: I said, I think it's gonna jump off and everything.
Speaker 1: So I gave him the sampler. He went on the
Speaker 1: ski trip when he because I never get hit me.
Speaker 1: When by time he got back from the ski trip,
Speaker 1: all here in the radios, I wish and he hit me.
Speaker 1: He was like, yo, so I'm listening to the thing
Speaker 1: and you're telling me it's gonna be all right. And
Speaker 1: by time I get back from the ski trip, it
Speaker 1: consumed the radio. And it's like even with Big with
Speaker 1: Big John I met, I met with John. Um I
Speaker 1: think I when I say, um, how can I be
Speaker 1: down on one of those conferences in Miami a year
Speaker 1: before UM Carl came and I told him, I said,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know who he was. I just happened
Speaker 1: to sit next to him at the conference. I was like,
Speaker 1: and they said he's a publisher. I say, I said, Yo, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I said. I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm ready for a publishing right now. I said, I
Speaker 1: just did a record on Puff label. Gonna come on
Speaker 1: next year, but I don't think I'm ready for it
Speaker 1: yet and everything. But you know, when I'm ready, I
Speaker 1: think i'll be able Hot Tree. So next year came
Speaker 1: wrong with vig John. He said, Yo, I can't believe
Speaker 1: you told me last year you did this record. He said,
Speaker 1: I can't believe. He was like, I'm not ready, but
Speaker 1: it just did you do your first deal with John? No,
Speaker 1: I actually did my first deal with UM with Warner
Speaker 1: because John, I'm supposed to actually go to Warner. He
Speaker 1: was actually supposed to go to Warner because he and
Speaker 1: my buddy he kind of he and Art Brandy Project
Speaker 1: and y'all would do that. Yeah, people that people that
Speaker 1: people are ninety people didn't know, but people don't know
Speaker 1: how many projects he's been instrumental in UM from even
Speaker 1: an a and arsen he's known as like the the
Speaker 1: greatest publisher. That's that is what Big John is. No,
Speaker 1: but people don't realize he's behind major projects. From an arsense,
Speaker 1: he is and UM and it's like, um, I remember
Speaker 1: one day we had a conversation. He said, City, write
Speaker 1: me something happy for Brandy. Brandy meeds something happy. Just
Speaker 1: give me something happy and everything. And that's how I
Speaker 1: got full Moon. I mean I was I said, okay,
Speaker 1: what what kind of doing everything? And I just didn't
Speaker 1: know if I wasn't there cooking and I just started so, um,
Speaker 1: I wrote it. But but that didn't just come to me.
Speaker 1: It took me two weeks. Right there, record let me
Speaker 1: let me go in so so we so we're doing that, right,
Speaker 1: I'm doing that and I'm working on the track. And
Speaker 1: she went to the Beverly Center. I want to say
Speaker 1: we was at the City used to be question, it's
Speaker 1: not like that you might need just nine yeah, she said,
Speaker 1: sim since since All Star Weekend when Being Meth was
Speaker 1: throwing hundreds of said in the same since thence since
Speaker 1: probably two thousand three. That was like the last time
Speaker 1: it was cracking, cracking, cracking when being math made it
Speaker 1: rain like it was the strip club at Beverly Center.
Speaker 1: I never seen anything like that in my life. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's all good. So she went. So she went to um,
Speaker 1: she went to Beverly Center and I had it going everything,
Speaker 1: so I thought she came back. I had went to booth,
Speaker 1: you know, do a little like dim or than. I
Speaker 1: ain't even gonna So she was like she came back.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, she she when she gets
Speaker 1: to work more, it's like it's worked more. She's not
Speaker 1: playing around. She'd belone to the booth. She knocked out
Speaker 1: the hook and I was like, I'll work on it.
Speaker 1: So for two weeks I worked on it because I
Speaker 1: didn't want to. You know, she was coming off and
Speaker 1: never say never. I wanted to make sure I had
Speaker 1: it right. So we got it done. It was crazy,
Speaker 1: and then we had other joints done. And the next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, when the time for her album came wrong,
Speaker 1: they was taking all these songs off the record, and
Speaker 1: they was trying to take everything off the record right,
Speaker 1: and even full Moon. Now I have other people want
Speaker 1: to buy a full Moon. What is Brandy? She's different,
Speaker 1: He's different. So she does a gangster move. She calls
Speaker 1: a meeting and she names the album full Moon, just
Speaker 1: so they can't take this play with the record I love.
Speaker 1: Named the album full Moon so they can't take it
Speaker 1: off of She's like, I had enough. Yeah, she named
Speaker 1: the full Moon record. What a record? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So and I'll say that like, um, just
Speaker 1: working on her. It just lets you know, like this
Speaker 1: level said you know what I'm saying, like, because it's
Speaker 1: all levels, like like crawls a crooner crawls, like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He's like, uh, that King Cole,
Speaker 1: he pronounces every world clear and everything. I mean, John,
Speaker 1: letend come from Carls know what I'm saying. Thomas walked Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know we're not gonna lit the first I missed
Speaker 1: the first time because he got he got into the
Speaker 1: groove of um, I think he got into the group
Speaker 1: with Will I Am and whoever else. They finished it,
Speaker 1: but ka people, John threwe we chopped it up for
Speaker 1: the first time. We're supposed to work. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: walked on. He can from right, and then you know
Speaker 1: you have Dave Well, David's commissioning though I know what
Speaker 1: when he when he went there, like Davids, you know
Speaker 1: even know what that is. Brandy is an alien. It's
Speaker 1: something else happening. No, seriously, like it's it's something else.
Speaker 1: It prepares you for anything because it's like or or that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because because because you get so scruwed, he'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it, un that's it's on this.
Speaker 1: But you know, so it prepares you and our work
Speaker 1: ethic and it just it prepares you, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like a little susting. Like she would do a
Speaker 1: hundred a hundred tracks of vocals and then say she
Speaker 1: don't like the intonation or something, and I already choke
Speaker 1: her out because you know, we didn't spend three hours
Speaker 1: doing that, and she's like, no, I want to do
Speaker 1: all over and then she hit you with the the city.
Speaker 1: It's my it's my voice, star, it's my it's my instrument.
Speaker 1: I know, and I gotta respect that because it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, she's been putting four and five ammaz on
Speaker 1: the board since she was seventeen eighteen, so you got
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like she'd give and take
Speaker 1: a little bit but I always got you. Speaking of which,
Speaker 1: which they did the show and they did the hurt
Speaker 1: Um whatever it show. It seems like it was the
Speaker 1: hottest day ever in Calabasa. I don't know what was
Speaker 1: going on to day when she did her own TV show,
Speaker 1: when she when she was on Pregnance a RAI, it
Speaker 1: felt like the sun was it felt like the equator.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened that day, but you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like even that album, it would platinum,
Speaker 1: but it got it kind of got cut short because
Speaker 1: she couldn't do all the promotional run from everything. But no,
Speaker 1: I mean like she raised a whole generation of singers
Speaker 1: for sure. What do you feel like as ship, producer, songwriter?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like I wish was was the breaking
Speaker 1: point for you? For sure? Where you felt like because
Speaker 1: you would you just said you were you were hip hop,
Speaker 1: That's where you were going. But the thing about it
Speaker 1: is it's still in my production, like even that record.
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like that, But you're able to
Speaker 1: do it. From a bottom standpoint, they let me do it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they let me. Oh they're gonna let me
Speaker 1: do this? You mean I could, really I could really
Speaker 1: put like I could get on some Lutanian Lutheran like
Speaker 1: you know what bridges, let's get technical. Is it four
Speaker 1: bar loops, eight bar loops or six teen bar loops?
Speaker 1: It depends. It depends because like you know how when
Speaker 1: you go on the loops, when you do them, you
Speaker 1: might want to ask something here, ask something there, So
Speaker 1: it depends. You might want the base to turn around,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, make it feel different, or
Speaker 1: you want to invert in everything. So it depends. But
Speaker 1: it felt like to me from a technical standpoint that
Speaker 1: you would because what I would do the same as
Speaker 1: you is I would do either a fully blown out
Speaker 1: eight or a fully blown out six teams and then
Speaker 1: you start scaling back, start scaling back, and then at
Speaker 1: bill pieces and all of these things. And then what
Speaker 1: I stole from Davante was I would make certain things
Speaker 1: happen in a certain part of the song that would
Speaker 1: never happen to the little air candy that right, is
Speaker 1: it gonna do? To gain we got we gotta want?
Speaker 1: Like I stole that from Davante. But you I felt
Speaker 1: like like the reason why I really zoned in on
Speaker 1: you and your production is because it was banging so crazy.
Speaker 1: It was almost like Dr Dre doing R and B music, Like,
Speaker 1: maybe that's why that's why, because it is bang and
Speaker 1: even at that though, even after that's why the producer
Speaker 1: community is so close knit. Right, even after I already
Speaker 1: had hit records, I go check, I'm sitting Dre with
Speaker 1: Slobby some drums. He'd be like, slow with that, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, even after because he knew that's
Speaker 1: what I was on a loss, super you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You made jay Z have memories of the childhood.
Speaker 1: He told me that I couldn't believe that Right's personal checks,
Speaker 1: personal checks of his nation's bank account. Dr Right just
Speaker 1: casually slies you drums. Let me see what you can do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because because I think you're great, because he's not slide
Speaker 1: drum sounds just you yeah, you know, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just to be the vibe and everything. But it's like,
Speaker 1: and it's funny because rest in peace, um um your
Speaker 1: man who roll them hit for for Leah static mad Right.
Speaker 1: I had that contagiously before Staddy. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: to do with it. I'm sure what's still on my
Speaker 1: ru I mean, mom, I had that beat before he
Speaker 1: wrote that record. Wow, it just it wasn't wasn't that
Speaker 1: wasn't my awesome. So so were you at one point
Speaker 1: a higher gun from that side as far as as
Speaker 1: as just your pin just your lyrics, because I did.
Speaker 1: I never knew that. I always looked at you as
Speaker 1: Mike City does Mike City Records. I never looked at
Speaker 1: it like, oh Dr Dre, DJ Quick whoever uh producer
Speaker 1: is sending Mike City Records to right top line too.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing when you when you're around greatness. The
Speaker 1: good thing about when nice to do all that stuff.
Speaker 1: When I go on Dre, I ain't got to produce.
Speaker 1: You got Drey and you got all these right right,
Speaker 1: so almost relaxed for real, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I could write just all right cool, So end up
Speaker 1: writing on the game record on Baby, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be right here. That was That was game
Speaker 1: featuring Brandy first we got married on at the last minute.
Speaker 1: M that was gave you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it was like, I show up what we're doing because
Speaker 1: it's the community. Dr Dre ain't gotta come here and
Speaker 1: producing and and I'm gonna learn something. I'm gonna see
Speaker 1: what you How are you tweaking? I told him last week,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to come over there and see and tweak
Speaker 1: something so I could because I'm learning. That's what we do.
Speaker 1: He was the first person whose house I went to.
Speaker 1: You can't I'm about to tell your story about on
Speaker 1: him though, that had an SSL board. No it was,
Speaker 1: it wasn't it was baby face had it's the um,
Speaker 1: it was the euphonics. It was the old many many,
Speaker 1: it was euphonics. You had a big in your house here.
Speaker 1: But here's its crazy though, this is crazy, so look,
Speaker 1: take take care to catch a flight. One day when
Speaker 1: he was cutting the record. He literally shows up on
Speaker 1: the way to the airport and cut a record in
Speaker 1: the hour, and I mean like top the bottom, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: he's antien too. But I knew that though, because you
Speaker 1: remember I used to stick my head in sometime and
Speaker 1: um the underdogs, and I always would tell I told
Speaker 1: him I was like Dawkins and take out there. The
Speaker 1: placements went up went up, because are you hearing that?
Speaker 1: When artists hearing that, even if they can't get to
Speaker 1: that level, they'd be like, I need to try to
Speaker 1: get to that level. I want that recorded, great selling point,
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean it might have been could have
Speaker 1: been smack. I'm just saying because I saw it left
Speaker 1: and right, ste Evils there there you had a machine
Speaker 1: of umm boom boom boom. I mean, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I mean, I saw it. So
Speaker 1: another piece that you spoke about earlier that we didn't
Speaker 1: get to, that we haven't gotten to yet is not
Speaker 1: only are you doing you know, records hit records for artists,
Speaker 1: there's also a space that you know which is new
Speaker 1: to most songwriters and producers, which is the TV and
Speaker 1: film side. Yeah, you know what I mean, I got it.
Speaker 1: I got my first taste of that working with the
Speaker 1: Underdogs doing dream Girls. I was like my first like
Speaker 1: intro to like you like and that was a different
Speaker 1: kind of dog that was like that was like zero
Speaker 1: to a hundred, you know what I'm saying. There was
Speaker 1: no intro to prepare you for dream Girls, which became
Speaker 1: like a year process. Right, But can you can you
Speaker 1: speak to even making the decision to even go in
Speaker 1: that direction, to even do that, like what prompted that, Well,
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about before, like basically you're kind
Speaker 1: of lasting more. Heagans. Label started starting to R and B. Right,
Speaker 1: we don't want to do this in the third. Just
Speaker 1: then the third I was like, I found somebody to
Speaker 1: use my services. Right, I don't care what want me.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm blessed. I don't went platinum. I have
Speaker 1: had no one records and you know this that in
Speaker 1: the third, I don't need to chase that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I just want to be comfortable and
Speaker 1: doing doing, have fun doing and everything. So a TV
Speaker 1: and film want to rock with me and what I
Speaker 1: do and everything, so be it. I get to just
Speaker 1: go have fun and create. And when y'all want to
Speaker 1: come back and see me, y'all want to hollerand what
Speaker 1: I do Other than that, I'm at the gym where
Speaker 1: I'm walking. I'm trying to preserve myself, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I'm trying lutive. If you can tell
Speaker 1: the producers and writers, it depends. Now it's a steady grind,
Speaker 1: So that could be if you do a lot, it
Speaker 1: could be looking at it, or if you if you
Speaker 1: get into the right agencies, there's actually more lucrative than records.
Speaker 1: Because some agencies when you're doing um ads and different
Speaker 1: stuff depending on who you get with, it's like a budget,
Speaker 1: like like umum budget, you're saying, because they're paying off
Speaker 1: of that and everything, so you gotta ride the way.
Speaker 1: But it's like I could have every day and I
Speaker 1: do this down the third like you know, Autumn fifty
Speaker 1: shows you hear me on if you're hearing something, you
Speaker 1: feel like some boom back whatever might be me might
Speaker 1: be and you say you have a specific agency that
Speaker 1: represents you for no or not, it's just your relationships,
Speaker 1: my relationships if I give the agency and we're talking
Speaker 1: right to be cool, But yeah, I know I got
Speaker 1: I gotta um. I just did a theme song for
Speaker 1: a Disney thing on Munchlands character they just released last week.
Speaker 1: I did that with a company and hopefully that go
Speaker 1: big and everything. I'm spitting bars and everything. But the
Speaker 1: thing about it though is that's like if you could sing,
Speaker 1: of course you can spit a bar. I mean like
Speaker 1: not being it's not even discrediting rappers. You know, how
Speaker 1: hardest you know, people sing thank you like people don't
Speaker 1: realize how hard it is to sing and sing on
Speaker 1: thank you city, you know, it's just not being funny,
Speaker 1: thank you, because what I'd be trying to tell Ja
Speaker 1: is he continues to hate on the original, you know,
Speaker 1: on my origin SMC Hurricane. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He hates on that, And I tell him because I
Speaker 1: was able to wrap so good, you know, the way
Speaker 1: you could translate it and can translated into R and
Speaker 1: B and then I'm able to get my wrap off sometimes.
Speaker 1: I was working on some of the TV and film
Speaker 1: a few years ago. They was gonna do a reboot
Speaker 1: of of m New York Undercover something like that, and um,
Speaker 1: I wasn't there with your little proje Luke, I know
Speaker 1: about and Jasmine and I was saw in the jas
Speaker 1: In mind because I know jas In mom from church
Speaker 1: when I was going up and you know my brother.
Speaker 1: So she's like, Mike talked to Jasmine try to get
Speaker 1: a motivated to doing something. I was like, look, I said,
Speaker 1: jas what you're doing? And She's like, And I think
Speaker 1: jasm just probably felt like she didn't know where she
Speaker 1: fitting and she went through what I went through. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what she fitting, what's going on everything,
Speaker 1: But I knew one thing though, I knew our c
Speaker 1: a wasn't dropping her because she's a generational talent. They
Speaker 1: was gonna wait for whenever the album got ready, because
Speaker 1: there's some people that got it, and she just got
Speaker 1: something else. Like it's just specially she sounded, and when
Speaker 1: she was fourteen, she sounded like she do now. Like
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's more season now, but I can't really
Speaker 1: tell because she had it all that day, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like one of her demos, just like
Speaker 1: she had it. She literally had it all together. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you how ill she at the beginning. I
Speaker 1: was in London one time doing I was doing some work.
Speaker 1: I'm just walking down the hall got a lot of
Speaker 1: London flux on you too, because you're not be going
Speaker 1: with doing house music and different stuff, you know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I catch your fibe right right. So I'm here somebody
Speaker 1: walking down the hallway from a distance crazy and I'm
Speaker 1: I listened to that. This is a world class singer
Speaker 1: because I can hear it from fifty ft away. It's Jasmine.
Speaker 1: I'm working, like Chaz, what's good? She's like, oh, she said,
Speaker 1: I'm doing a promo tourn every day, but like this
Speaker 1: is fifty this is down the Hall. I'm hearing somebody
Speaker 1: mumbling something. I'm like, whoever, that is a problem. I
Speaker 1: know what it is. I heard some people at the
Speaker 1: songwriting camp. That's a problem. That's why I think I
Speaker 1: think we got a shot. But you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: I just feel like if they want to get the lessons,
Speaker 1: I'm here for. But you know, if the labels want to,
Speaker 1: you know, they gotta they gotta, um, hey for our
Speaker 1: expertise to They got invested. You can't play around with that.
Speaker 1: I just we've lived life. I prayed that their nurtured. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my my own selfish love of R and B. Like,
Speaker 1: I pray that they're nurtured. The love R and B. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying from the from the just from the
Speaker 1: it's in your blood though anyway, the cultural sense of
Speaker 1: you know, was being delivered because yeah, it's it's some
Speaker 1: good songs out there. Um, it's some it's some good
Speaker 1: artists out there, but those generational talents between what they
Speaker 1: need to be, they need to be nurtured because they
Speaker 1: you know, they don't come around and you just can't
Speaker 1: just microwave them and just throw them out there. It's
Speaker 1: like things have to happen. Things have to be developed.
Speaker 1: Jasmine needed to be developed, her need to be from Gabby.
Speaker 1: He's a development incredible you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: that is but the keys being dropped with those same
Speaker 1: same songs, same so it had to be developed, though
Speaker 1: it had you know, I mean, like it just wouldn't
Speaker 1: have hit the same way. Like it's man, they give up,
Speaker 1: remember that quick. I heard that, Donnyanna. I said, Alicia
Speaker 1: keys and and Um Schaeffer, who's neo were two words,
Speaker 1: two of the worst artists in each time. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He wasn't up in the tunnel.
Speaker 1: He wasn't up in the church when everything was going
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, he wasn't He
Speaker 1: wasn't there when takes six first came out traveling the van.
Speaker 1: You know what's going around. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I was in. I was in high school. I mean,
Speaker 1: commission came in singing my high school. I was in.
Speaker 1: The Other point that I make is that we don't
Speaker 1: have we don't have any true gatekeepers in those offices.
Speaker 1: We don't And is that by design? No think about it.
Speaker 1: When is the last time you. Mike City super Producer said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'd love to be um head A and r VP
Speaker 1: at your label and help you develop your army talent.
Speaker 1: I'm saying anybody on the podcast that yes, y'all know
Speaker 1: what it is. Y'all know what it is. Y'all know
Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah, that's what if y'all want to
Speaker 1: get it right, you listen, If y'all want to get
Speaker 1: it right, we'll have it right because because production styles change,
Speaker 1: so if it varies, so whether you got trapp, aren't
Speaker 1: trapped or whatever we was doing or whatever, But that's
Speaker 1: that sound and that cohesive singing and everything. A field
Speaker 1: of us really know what we're doing with some understanding.
Speaker 1: A few of us need to do the work. We've
Speaker 1: already put in the work. We have the information we
Speaker 1: have to get in position for our work to work
Speaker 1: for us, that's the truth, and to help build the
Speaker 1: genre back to glory. That's the only way, because it's
Speaker 1: going to work because you're right, because not that's not
Speaker 1: that it's necessary. But I'm most Anais can't jump into
Speaker 1: how many with us things they don't know it. They
Speaker 1: just mean I actually think it is necessary. I'm going
Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to do to get it
Speaker 1: back right back, because to fight them, talk to talk
Speaker 1: every every person in there they did right sing play,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, up and up into the
Speaker 1: founder who was a song the A and R who
Speaker 1: was smokey rock, smoky like. At some point somebody got
Speaker 1: to be up there with some understanding listening, coming in singing.
Speaker 1: Somebody should be able to harmonized with Tank at least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be a whole label trying to do R
Speaker 1: and B with no R and B singer, songwriters and
Speaker 1: producers involved. It can't be. It can't be. Listen, I'm
Speaker 1: with you because you gotta touch down. You gotta touch
Speaker 1: down with the people and everything. And that's honestly why
Speaker 1: as a producer all those are I mean, I'll work
Speaker 1: with you, you know, Leylon, because they know they get them.
Speaker 1: They you know what I'm saying. Um Me and music
Speaker 1: song never came out. But when I first been to
Speaker 1: Music Music, like do you need to do album? The
Speaker 1: first thing he said was like, why don't you do album?
Speaker 1: I was like, I gave my songs away. That's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is my calling right now to do
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. But it's like somebody got to be
Speaker 1: able to understand that, or or the real gifted artists
Speaker 1: gonna look at the beat meager producer like, uh, go ahead,
Speaker 1: because you gotta have some type of understanding and to
Speaker 1: taking the top level I've seen in my own two
Speaker 1: wise if I go peep my head on the DRE.
Speaker 1: I made a poster about with me, him and Bluetooth before.
Speaker 1: I like this new group because I know he understand
Speaker 1: can sing something he's saying better than people. Probably no,
Speaker 1: he not, but he understands where the noting things know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. There's a reason why he's been able
Speaker 1: to do what he might be shy by it. He's
Speaker 1: never going to release a singing record, but he knows
Speaker 1: more about notes than people think. He'll sit down and
Speaker 1: play at the po and You've be like, you've been practicing,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like like that
Speaker 1: you know exactly. So it's like, you know, where's that
Speaker 1: in the labels? Because honestly, I wasn't seeing that what
Speaker 1: I was doing. No, no, that when I was on
Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, but you had a chance to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But been I've been. I've been that artist that has
Speaker 1: asked an, are you ever wrote a song before? Not
Speaker 1: even know it is? But no, but I'm talking about
Speaker 1: when it get when it get dirty. We're having a
Speaker 1: conversation about this song, ain't it? And I'm like, you
Speaker 1: wrote what? Have you written one before? Have you written anything?
Speaker 1: Because you need to have a placement because you know,
Speaker 1: you know what you know. No, I'm just asking because
Speaker 1: you're telling me did you break dance? Did you dj? Like?
Speaker 1: What did you do something in this industry that was creative?
Speaker 1: And now y'all see why do more music for TV
Speaker 1: and filming these days? Yeah, but I don't let you
Speaker 1: do what you do. But but I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: this though I'm not saying, I'm not saying you're selfish.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: that you have the gift and the information and relationships.
Speaker 1: I'm not and the relationships, and they're tucked away, hiding
Speaker 1: in your vault. And while we're screaming for more heads
Speaker 1: and more executives and more people with that information to
Speaker 1: be in charge of that musical space to help us
Speaker 1: get us, get it, get it back, You're somewhere doing
Speaker 1: TV and enjoying yourself, enjoying it through your TV and film,
Speaker 1: feed your family. I get it, A gautiful family man.
Speaker 1: You know, I love it. I love I respect it.
Speaker 1: But R and B's greatness and glory, it's tied in
Speaker 1: to the people who do it, who do it, yeah,
Speaker 1: and who've done it and who have done it on
Speaker 1: a level you are. You are necessary in that space.
Speaker 1: What you do on the on the drink chat, that's
Speaker 1: profound though. Are they afraid of our love? That's profound though,
Speaker 1: because top down, you know, what I'm saying is like
Speaker 1: I mean, not being funny like you said, just just
Speaker 1: the relationships to be like, you know, just the people
Speaker 1: I can just get to, yeah, and what I do
Speaker 1: and what I knowed to do. You would think they
Speaker 1: would be like, you know what, he help us get
Speaker 1: right if we want to spend and that they don't
Speaker 1: they want to dump down. I feel like I think
Speaker 1: they are afraid of our love. We're not We're not right.
Speaker 1: So ultimately there's something that Tank and I have been
Speaker 1: been talking about behind closed doors about what we see
Speaker 1: and what and what I believe is that we should
Speaker 1: all be doing this mhm. We all need to become
Speaker 1: partners with each other in some form of fashion. We
Speaker 1: need to become partners with the artists. We need to
Speaker 1: become partners with the writers. We need to become partners.
Speaker 1: It's these things we need to create a strength in
Speaker 1: numbers where it's like, hey man, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: take from you, I'm trying to collaborate with you and
Speaker 1: build with you, and we split profits. We figure it
Speaker 1: out like hey, hey, new artists, I'm an established such
Speaker 1: and such such and such, so I'm going to give
Speaker 1: that to you and add to the pot for you.
Speaker 1: But okay, this is my percentage of it, and let's
Speaker 1: do projects together and anything anything I need to own
Speaker 1: my own I p but then we don't have to.
Speaker 1: But then we don't have to. We can we can
Speaker 1: do good business. We can be economical with it because
Speaker 1: because exactly because an artist can now eat off of
Speaker 1: off off of their project even if it doesn't sell,
Speaker 1: doesn't need to wrap it out of here. And so
Speaker 1: that's gonna yeah, that's gonna make more people do it
Speaker 1: once they see the company is called R and B
Speaker 1: Money for a reason. We'll put in your face we
Speaker 1: make money doing if you would like to make money
Speaker 1: doing R and B music, come to R and B
Speaker 1: money And before I forget it, amvializes you name club Quarantine.
Speaker 1: That's incredible, hey man, d Nice I told him it's
Speaker 1: his pivot. D Nice shot the album cover when when
Speaker 1: me and Karl did it on independent album too, he
Speaker 1: shot the album. Wow, he was the photographer. He was
Speaker 1: the photographer. Wow. That's crazy, like just the way his
Speaker 1: whole like he's one of our advocates and to see him,
Speaker 1: to see this he put R and B. But he
Speaker 1: put R and B and he put made international again.
Speaker 1: He put it in front of the world and then
Speaker 1: put out an R and B record with him and
Speaker 1: he oh that was great. And then another pivot. Remember
Speaker 1: Jason knowing that dream Works. Yeah, got fired. Listen got fired.
Speaker 1: I was I think I was there today. He got fired.
Speaker 1: It was not good. It was like it was like
Speaker 1: to walk out good. No, it was to walk out.
Speaker 1: It was a lot that went on up there. A
Speaker 1: lot of guys have been walked out. Wasn't good? Became
Speaker 1: something great? I ever get a job out so you
Speaker 1: can have that. You had that in my box. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what I've seen I've seen that in movies where you
Speaker 1: get all your kid you know, because you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, because Gerald and Gerald was gone by that,
Speaker 1: so you know Gerald was I got he was my
Speaker 1: guy too, right, So Jerrold was gone by then. And
Speaker 1: to see him, I think he was. I think he
Speaker 1: went to MTV after that and the next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: I should see him on the day Fasada, you know,
Speaker 1: getting the lessons, getting the lessons and getting the lessons.
Speaker 1: And now he's Jason. He didn't know song structure. He
Speaker 1: was just he was a and R that didn't no
Speaker 1: song structure. He's probably one of those guys I would
Speaker 1: have custed out earlier. Absolutely, but he recognized greatness. It
Speaker 1: was such an awesome guy, and he recognized let them
Speaker 1: do what they do. He know what he did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, let them do what they do. Just just
Speaker 1: just do what you do. Man, do what you do.
Speaker 1: You know what it is. Come on, let's call you
Speaker 1: know what. Right. So to see that, and then when
Speaker 1: I saw when he had when he got that Rhanna thing,
Speaker 1: that went crazy. And it's been ever since then. So
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like people pivots, like you know, you
Speaker 1: can do different things it's like you're saying in two
Speaker 1: thousand two, because I'm remember that used like I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I want to do this no more
Speaker 1: because she's like, I don't what is it? What am
Speaker 1: I doing it? You don't know if you want to
Speaker 1: do it? You will find you something, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like with me, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to chase these records and everything, you know,
Speaker 1: seeing my d do it? Do you know? Let me
Speaker 1: do what I do? Did I found I could do
Speaker 1: this all right? Cool? I could do have fun because
Speaker 1: I gotta have fun of doing what I'm doing everything.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And it's like peace of mind.
Speaker 1: There's no price to what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 1: I don't want to be um everything that's going on
Speaker 1: right now. I don't even want to be around a
Speaker 1: lot of energy like that. I didn't want to be reminded. Then.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been in some stick situations before, but
Speaker 1: it's like, man, we just left the studio and then
Speaker 1: that happened. Come on, man, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like it's just I'm claiming the pivot. Uh, you back
Speaker 1: in charge? Of some R and B space in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, let's go. I'm claiming that it definitely
Speaker 1: need to solve, and you, you know, you stand in
Speaker 1: front of it. I got a question too, though, and
Speaker 1: it's it's is there a difference between R and B
Speaker 1: and soul or it was just to get together? I
Speaker 1: think I think the lines are very blurred, and you
Speaker 1: know the difference. I think it's the difference between hip
Speaker 1: hop and rap music is R and B and soeld
Speaker 1: to me, you know what I'm saying, Like because because
Speaker 1: it seems like they walk in the same so it's
Speaker 1: a little more pure, it's more the purest deal with
Speaker 1: the soul the same way. And for rap, hip hop
Speaker 1: is more of it's pure. It's more pure than rap.
Speaker 1: Like R and B can can can be auto tuned up.
Speaker 1: You can't auto tune, so yeah, you can't auto tune,
Speaker 1: So you can't auto tune hip hop all the tune
Speaker 1: rapt you Okay, Okay? That yeah, Because I mean that's
Speaker 1: the question. I wanted to act so like a soul
Speaker 1: singer because you can't auto tune. Casey, Well, here's the
Speaker 1: thing about it, Anthony. But here's here's the thing a
Speaker 1: soul take could be a soul singer r and be.
Speaker 1: It just depends on that. But that's the development of
Speaker 1: my gifts. What I'm saying it you want to do that,
Speaker 1: but me, But me, me being little way can be
Speaker 1: a rapper or are hip hop. He can't. And so
Speaker 1: it's just about the development of theft. I had to
Speaker 1: learn the space. J I was a soul singer first,
Speaker 1: and then I learned how to be alright, Okay, I
Speaker 1: learned and that you know what I'm saying, which is
Speaker 1: a hell of a learning curve coming from So yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. No, because it's like you're right,
Speaker 1: like like like fantastic. She's gonna have some holy ghosts
Speaker 1: in her singing, she taking her shoes. Yeah, that's just
Speaker 1: that's what that is, man like. And she can't help it,
Speaker 1: can help herself. That's and and and Anthony is high
Speaker 1: in southern soul, not like complete, but I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's a southern soul movement going on.
Speaker 1: I actually I'm working on man a g We're doing
Speaker 1: a southern some southern soul stuff. He getting shows and everything,
Speaker 1: and it's like that's my guy like like you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta remember there's there's a guy. Uh uh, what's
Speaker 1: what's Calvin's last name? Kid a man boy Richard. That's
Speaker 1: what he does. That's what he does. What he does.
Speaker 1: He down there doing it as we speak, two shows
Speaker 1: a week doing it, no question. I'm about to get
Speaker 1: my man a G on that circuit like straight, you know,
Speaker 1: like like a G. That's my guy, like out of
Speaker 1: our whole thing. He had to deal first, he was
Speaker 1: signed the Capital n Wow. That's when I came out
Speaker 1: here with him in he was sign a rough Friday.
Speaker 1: That's why I went to New York messing with him.
Speaker 1: Now he was on Platinum, Um compilation, Gold Compilation, but
Speaker 1: he never got his dude. Now he's doing something so
Speaker 1: he's getting booked crazy. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and you know, but see you
Speaker 1: got you know when to turn that one the crowd. Okay,
Speaker 1: I see what you're here for. Women still put money,
Speaker 1: they bras. You better believe it. You better believe you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and we'll offer you some of
Speaker 1: it and a home cooking meal. They still put jay.
Speaker 1: They still put money in their bras baby, they will
Speaker 1: offer you a meal. You're trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: I am. You want to come to my house? Something
Speaker 1: is they called exotic nicka ex So you're not saying
Speaker 1: but you right, Calvin basically been doing back. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You know what I mean. So no,
Speaker 1: so Calvin been basically doing this says more than a
Speaker 1: woman getting those things. But it's a whole movement going on.
Speaker 1: But I say Anthony is high end Southern soul because
Speaker 1: he had the chance to have the backing of the
Speaker 1: label and everything. But the way he did it shout yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean because Anthony was with us as Soul Life
Speaker 1: Soul Life disbanded. I got Anthony with um Nappy Roots. Wow,
Speaker 1: I got you did, Yeah, I got you did. Because
Speaker 1: the song that I did with Anthony, yeah, you know Anthony.
Speaker 1: We all family, right. So when such Sean had an
Speaker 1: album coming out, first I said, I gotta get Anthony
Speaker 1: on this album because that's Anthony Hamiltons. So I put
Speaker 1: him on the song with Sunshine and my man Dolo
Speaker 1: Pacino and I was working with Nappi Routs. I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: we gotta get Anthony over here to do this. So
Speaker 1: the song that I did. Anthony actually didn't come to
Speaker 1: the second album, but he ended up doing another song
Speaker 1: um on the first album that went crazy. But I
Speaker 1: don't know who. I don't know if um Jazzy who
Speaker 1: did it. But you know, it's all our relationships coming
Speaker 1: together because that's what we supposed and exactly and that's
Speaker 1: what we hold on to. And let me charge you
Speaker 1: for this, my man, that's my god community, right, you
Speaker 1: should do I need you over here for that. You
Speaker 1: should do that. And then the first first we we
Speaker 1: we build it by the dropping the ego and you
Speaker 1: because because now like you gotta like by you doing
Speaker 1: your tours, your feeding families, Anthony's feeding families. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, you know, people, this this is
Speaker 1: this is this R and B stuff. If you do
Speaker 1: it right, you can be a collective. Yeah, you feed families.
Speaker 1: It's got to be a collective. Definitely, back to us.
Speaker 1: We gotta get back to five and six R and
Speaker 1: B X on the road as a tool, the mown
Speaker 1: the motown review, Like, we gotta get back to that.
Speaker 1: And I say that, you know, not only to myself,
Speaker 1: but to all high level R and B artists, Like
Speaker 1: if we're R and B. Let's do R and B
Speaker 1: let's and you know what, and don't be ashamed or
Speaker 1: afraid to do it. Do it and let's put it
Speaker 1: in these big things. Do it because you know what,
Speaker 1: people want to feel good, man, People tired of getting
Speaker 1: shot at the shot that energies. Let's get that energy.
Speaker 1: They want to feel good, tired. And I posted something
Speaker 1: my g yesterday, um like, uh shout out to Melvin right,
Speaker 1: I mean, like buddy for the world. We came up.
Speaker 1: Then we had slow jam tapes, man, like if you
Speaker 1: didn't have the right slow jam tape, chicks was looking
Speaker 1: at you sideways like you was getting the last hour
Speaker 1: and a half at any party, no question. It was
Speaker 1: time for you to work your wiggle, work your magic.
Speaker 1: And these dudes today I don't know what that is
Speaker 1: because they'll get a charge because they don't know, Like, no,
Speaker 1: you gotta fines, you gotta talk to her, right, So
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like if we can get
Speaker 1: back to that, I think we can. I think you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, because these kids got the
Speaker 1: lesson from their parents. Now you're always gonna have but
Speaker 1: what but they don't they don't. So we we have
Speaker 1: to become like I said, and our our word is
Speaker 1: a different word. It's respected differently because we we've done it.
Speaker 1: We've done it, look at it different. They'll look at
Speaker 1: it different. You understand what I'm saying. And that's how
Speaker 1: we rebuild it. That's how we we have to be.
Speaker 1: We can't be disconnected from the next generation of R
Speaker 1: and B superstars. Man, listen the other day when I
Speaker 1: found when I when I heard this girl that was
Speaker 1: going crazy. My man runs publishing or what am I
Speaker 1: called him? There? Sean Brown is there? I said, you
Speaker 1: have more talk? He said, you said you need to
Speaker 1: sew her next week. I said, not like there's not
Speaker 1: nothing you should play. I'm telling you what this is.
Speaker 1: Don't play with this like I don't get excited about stuff.
Speaker 1: Like I'm telling you what this is. Bro, you need
Speaker 1: to sign her next week and let me we we
Speaker 1: get it together. But she wanted to do with the
Speaker 1: real thing, you know what I'm saying. And she's so
Speaker 1: and the girl I was working when she's so talented,
Speaker 1: she don't even know how dope she is. She she
Speaker 1: don't even know because she hasn't. But but it's like
Speaker 1: I'm down for all that and everything. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Just like how you've always maintained and nurture
Speaker 1: of the relationship with Chris because he respect that when you.
Speaker 1: When he came up, he had to go see y'all
Speaker 1: that he felt that pressure from you and error. That's pressure, singer,
Speaker 1: go see none the Dolls and Eric Dawkins and takt
Speaker 1: that that's pressure. Maybe that's a lot of pressure. Like
Speaker 1: I hear this demo that sounds like a real radio
Speaker 1: radio record. That should be all right, Now, that's pressure.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying, Like a lot of
Speaker 1: these kids can't handle pressure up. That's the other thing
Speaker 1: we're dealing with too. That caught him. We don't come
Speaker 1: from everybody get a We've diagnosed everything. Everything's everything needs
Speaker 1: help in medication. Listen, I went through a lot as
Speaker 1: a kid. I had to get no medication. I didn't
Speaker 1: get no help. Keep back up. I got my asswhip
Speaker 1: and in some punishment and figure it out and get
Speaker 1: it together. It was but it happened, but it happened
Speaker 1: here and I'm a monster, and listen, I am still here.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't have had my mom and my
Speaker 1: dad and my grandmother, my great grandmother, my auntie Bed.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have them raised me any different. It was.
Speaker 1: It was it was a tough you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was a man like you are laugh, Like like
Speaker 1: my parents bought me equipment. But I remember when I
Speaker 1: was a freshman in high school, I couldn't try for
Speaker 1: a basketball team. You know why. I had to go
Speaker 1: to prayer meeting and man, I've never said that publicly.
Speaker 1: I had to go to my I had to be revival.
Speaker 1: It was I had. I couldn't try for basketball because
Speaker 1: I had to go to revival with my parents talk
Speaker 1: five nights a week. I had. It wasn't no not
Speaker 1: going either. I had to go. You're punch in your eye.
Speaker 1: But in turn, in turn, in turn, well me equipment.
Speaker 1: You know. He wanted me to keep on and stuff
Speaker 1: and he helped me nurture your mind, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I was like, what was really supposed
Speaker 1: to be doing? Right? So I was like, I had this.
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to college playing ball anyway. He was
Speaker 1: like he's like I said, He was like, you can
Speaker 1: go to the and that's what speak about that when
Speaker 1: I when I speak to these young artists coming in,
Speaker 1: I tell him straight up. I was like, Yo, this
Speaker 1: is the league what we're dealing with. It's the league.
Speaker 1: It's the pros. You're on that bench. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: in the game is to lead, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I was. I was doing a record with Kelly Price
Speaker 1: one time. I walked the girl out to the car.
Speaker 1: I came back. She's halfway done the record, like literally,
Speaker 1: just you know. She had started. See I'm going here
Speaker 1: and messing around on something at the record player. I
Speaker 1: go out to what is it? I walked somebody out
Speaker 1: of the car and I'll never forget it. I walked
Speaker 1: somebody out to the car. I think, I'm out there
Speaker 1: talking to Januine and Okyo, we out there, you know,
Speaker 1: chopping it up. I get back to my session. Kelly
Speaker 1: got a song popping going and she hit a little know.
Speaker 1: I checked her throat. I was like, you you hit that, though.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, this is these are beast you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. These is professional snipers that we're dealing with.
Speaker 1: And if you want to play in the league and
Speaker 1: be and get that respect, you gotta be a sniper,
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta develop because these people have been
Speaker 1: you know, they've gone through the wringer, and it's like
Speaker 1: there's a whole another thing we're dealing with. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like Crawl waiting a long time to
Speaker 1: get that shot and he wasn't gonna blow it. He
Speaker 1: definitely didn't blow blow you know what I'm saying here? Yo?
Speaker 1: All right, So listen city, Okay, we R B Money Podcasts.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you all having me. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: R and B, which amen. Um. I want to get
Speaker 1: some information from you, Okay, I want to know your
Speaker 1: top five R and B artists male or female all time,
Speaker 1: all time. M h get tricking, mm hmm. Donnie and
Speaker 1: Stevie gotta be on that. Want to came out? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: killing me right now? I'm scared because I put some
Speaker 1: females in there. Wow. Absolutely? I mean, can you really
Speaker 1: deny eath you cannot know me? You better not? Can
Speaker 1: you better not? I mean I mean you better not. Okay,
Speaker 1: if I come with that, that's three. I'm really stone.
Speaker 1: Who who would be froming five R and B? So
Speaker 1: Sam Cook, j I mean, yeah, he did. He Brandy,
Speaker 1: I gotta give it because she she raised the whole
Speaker 1: generation of singers. Now could I could say Whitney, but
Speaker 1: Brandy took what we do. It's almost like she did
Speaker 1: like commission did the whinings. Because since Brandy did, I
Speaker 1: want to be done. I knew I wanted to work
Speaker 1: with her. I didn't know how it was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to work with her. I didn't
Speaker 1: have no plan. I didn't know what it was like.
Speaker 1: But that's what she's doing. I didn't know how. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know she was a girl from THEA. I
Speaker 1: had no idea. I just knew something magical about her voice.
Speaker 1: And you know it's like lay is crazy too, and
Speaker 1: these people are my friends, man, Like I got I
Speaker 1: got tough because because she's said he studied. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like she has all of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like and the stuff that she can do with
Speaker 1: her voice, I've never heard any human Yeah, like she
Speaker 1: can harmonize with her Yeah. And the only reason why
Speaker 1: I just didn't say her because I said her Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know she's got but like like people like
Speaker 1: not not being funny, like not like and I love
Speaker 1: Monica music, but she wasn't Brandy. Brandy was like Monica
Speaker 1: was great. Brandy was she was the bar that was set.
Speaker 1: Like people tried to immulate Brandy. I think Brandy was
Speaker 1: just more of a vocal blueprint. Yeah you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Monica was more soulful. So that's that soul
Speaker 1: R and B thing, right. Monica had that grit. Monica listen,
Speaker 1: white shoes. She said she came without the white shoes
Speaker 1: and she was never meant to know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And we Brandy was was she just it was just
Speaker 1: a technical She's a sniper. So that's why the boys
Speaker 1: Marvelly works so well anyway, because it was just the
Speaker 1: opposite of what I'm saying. But I'll never I'll never sleep.
Speaker 1: I mean, Monica had bangers, bangers, bankers, just like and
Speaker 1: the thing with Late is she didn't per se have
Speaker 1: those bangers. But everybody that knew knew what it was.
Speaker 1: If you knew singing, you knew what that is like.
Speaker 1: You do you know what that is like? You don't
Speaker 1: have to Okay, baby, you didn't go platinum, but we
Speaker 1: come to that concert she goes to land on d C.
Speaker 1: It's so it's an experience. Top five R and B song, Wow,
Speaker 1: Top five R and B songs. Um, yeah, killing me
Speaker 1: right now. So Donnie have to wear a song for you.
Speaker 1: I just can't escape that pain. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: can't escape that pain. Um um man. Trying to get
Speaker 1: the singler songs, staple things. Let's do it again, the
Speaker 1: staple singers, Let's do it again. Making nil. I mean
Speaker 1: like I mean, like, I mean, it's never going away,
Speaker 1: and that's not something that's just somebody. No, you gotta yeah,
Speaker 1: gonna be versed. But I hear you're popping that. You
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying like that here like that. It's like, um,
Speaker 1: let me see and I'm trying to I'm trying to
Speaker 1: nail down the single artists too. Mm hmm. Just just
Speaker 1: songs that I played out, random songs that I played
Speaker 1: me on. Marvin got something. I mean, y'all killing me
Speaker 1: right now, Marvin Gates. You want to say, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna you know what I'm saying, like, mm hmm, could
Speaker 1: you go wrong with let's get on? I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: like just for what it is. I mean, the first
Speaker 1: win we I mean you because you're going wrong. Let's
Speaker 1: try to find some that's three. Let's we're something for
Speaker 1: the ladies that she's y'all killing me? Man, I got
Speaker 1: a name. Five. Yeah, absolutely, you died leaving this room
Speaker 1: as some micro punched holes in your tires. Come on,
Speaker 1: you give me my five songs that I just went
Speaker 1: crazy over. I'm trying to take it back to the
Speaker 1: day to Yeah, it's just like give me an Earth
Speaker 1: from the fire I was going crazy over. I used
Speaker 1: to hear it from the fire so much from skill.
Speaker 1: I thought they was from Philly. I just thought they
Speaker 1: were just coming radio just uh reasons, of course. I
Speaker 1: mean that just resonates. Let me slide a moment up
Speaker 1: and here R and B songs. You know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw a curveball. I got love for women, but
Speaker 1: y'all was talking about it lately. Um I played I
Speaker 1: played this song out, John B. They don't go, they
Speaker 1: don't don't listen to what I played. I played that
Speaker 1: song out. I told her. I was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: and Brian got some songs to s w V. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I literally it's hard to pick. But
Speaker 1: I played I played that song out. I flat I yoh,
Speaker 1: ain't ye. Nothing's going on from him? I mean nothing.
Speaker 1: I don't care what I just wanted. Nothing's gonna make
Speaker 1: you falling. I'm a wife that s like clean every
Speaker 1: time your sins have been forgiven, even before you've committed
Speaker 1: it to me, to me, to me, you brand new
Speaker 1: to me. And the way to the way to get
Speaker 1: tar was man in the pocket. I don't care where
Speaker 1: you've been, dude, m boom, because that's the by the
Speaker 1: amount of time. I was like, I gotta get my
Speaker 1: production chops up. Whatever you do. Because timmy Bob was
Speaker 1: applying pressure. Oh major, they've been pressure applying pressure, pressure
Speaker 1: all right, Tim, Tim was there when I do. Tim
Speaker 1: was the first person to tell me full Moon was
Speaker 1: going to be He walked into the studio when I
Speaker 1: was He was like, he don't get hype over much.
Speaker 1: He was like you know what he's like. He was like,
Speaker 1: he was like, you go crazy that because I had
Speaker 1: it going on. He was like, he said, and you know,
Speaker 1: Brandy's like he said, oh my god, but those are
Speaker 1: a fun time. I'd be in the studio him to
Speaker 1: be here for real and being all let we're just
Speaker 1: a community, everybody just having fun. I remember, um what's
Speaker 1: her name from? No Doubt used to be around, Um
Speaker 1: what's her name? Um Billy singer. Yeah, everybody would be
Speaker 1: coming in as rehearsing with all of them. Okay, I need,
Speaker 1: we need, we need to build a volt run. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to know who are you gonna get the
Speaker 1: vocals from, who you're going to get the performance style from,
Speaker 1: who are you gonna get the island from, and who
Speaker 1: you're going to get the passion from. Let's start with
Speaker 1: the vocal. If you're building your you're perfect your R
Speaker 1: and B singer, Who you're taking the vocal from? Donnie Away?
Speaker 1: What fast, fast, no deliberation he had got in his voice. Man,
Speaker 1: it was something's going on just his whole He was
Speaker 1: made in his image with his vocal because Stevie got
Speaker 1: a little Donnie when I was you know, like he'll
Speaker 1: tell you it was something going on don Like it
Speaker 1: was some special going on with him. Donnie was definitely
Speaker 1: the originator. And like you said, Hiss had a different
Speaker 1: type of spirituality connected to a different kind of awe
Speaker 1: as we like to say haunting oil. Yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 1: sprinkle Okay, styling, styling, who don't get to stop fly
Speaker 1: or performance style, we'll get to stop first. We don't
Speaker 1: get the performance because it's weird because Martin, I mean like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, I always fly always, I
Speaker 1: mean always had that ship up. Yeah, performance style like
Speaker 1: who the king of quindon stage? Can you quindon stage?
Speaker 1: Are both? Maurice White? Oh? Hey Earth from the fire?
Speaker 1: He no, no, no, no, no no. The way he was,
Speaker 1: you know, frustrating. I mean, I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: people to orchestrated. K White was going on baby, and
Speaker 1: who are gonna get the passion from? Who are you
Speaker 1: gonna get the heart and soul? David Ship putting a
Speaker 1: temptation without David Ruffin looking for Davi because Sam Cooke
Speaker 1: was smooth, but David, David just had he was. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but you know David had to he was. He just had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had his whole He influenced a lot of people
Speaker 1: to it. They're gonna be up there. But while they're
Speaker 1: up there, just I need you to put that spotlight
Speaker 1: on me while I walked down this owl real quick.
Speaker 1: Some people just lead singers, Yeah, you're just leads. Lead.
Speaker 1: He was a leading he was lead singer and he
Speaker 1: knew it. He knew it with it all, with all
Speaker 1: his being and just just to fly and scruffing lf
Speaker 1: his voice. It's just like, you know, whenever we get
Speaker 1: a chance to interview Robert Townsend, I want to ask
Speaker 1: him did he make Eddie came m off a day?
Speaker 1: And he had to? But I need to know for sure,
Speaker 1: you know someone who just loves Robert. We need to
Speaker 1: see you. Yeah, the greatest, greatest R and B movie
Speaker 1: of all time. Oh my god, it's like you. It
Speaker 1: can't come on and I don't watch if perfectly the
Speaker 1: perfect movie, absolutely, Kevin, even a comedy because as you
Speaker 1: can tell with our podcast, RB has some funny as moments.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and the Gangster Ship, all of it. That
Speaker 1: was great. That was David. He's white. I can't argue.
Speaker 1: I don't you're going there today. I love it. Here.
Speaker 1: We like to go into a segment it's called I
Speaker 1: ain't saying on that because you know we amunch your
Speaker 1: many travels, the amazing people you've worked with. I know
Speaker 1: you've got some stories and in this game it's funny.
Speaker 1: Are fucked up? Are both? Mh? The only rule is
Speaker 1: you can't say their names. It could be funny, are
Speaker 1: fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? I just can't
Speaker 1: say their names. This is Mike Cities. I ain't saying
Speaker 1: no names. Let me see, I know, let me see.
Speaker 1: H m hmmm, I don't know. Man, Like I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this. One time I hung out was somebody that
Speaker 1: you used to kick it with. That person's dude, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm the only one who knew it. And
Speaker 1: then we all hang out together, right, so you were
Speaker 1: the one person who knew about the whole situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but were you messing with this girl too? No? I
Speaker 1: just was sitting there like, oh, this is interesting, and
Speaker 1: everybody's working together. Though now we're kicking in the club together.
Speaker 1: Every single person that's involved. It was left right. I'm
Speaker 1: here like, how does this? How does this workout? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, who did you? Who were
Speaker 1: you friends with? All off? And I didn't you know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing like And then that happened and I was like,
Speaker 1: uh so was it two couples? No, there was one girl,
Speaker 1: two guys, two girls that I knew. Uh did that
Speaker 1: mess with the same man? High level? Yeah? I mean
Speaker 1: and they knew it. I knew it. You knew it.
Speaker 1: Everybody's high level of this conversation to high level. And
Speaker 1: this guy's hanging out with all of them. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there with with Did he bring them on purpose? No,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there with them too. He wasn't there, but
Speaker 1: I'm the only one who knew about. But they're those
Speaker 1: two are they're hanging out together their friends? Yeah, high level.
Speaker 1: What you probably didn't know is they was probably together.
Speaker 1: Maybe I might even known somebody just at whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the world of R and B. Oh Man, the world
Speaker 1: of R and B. You were uncomfortable. It's just it
Speaker 1: wasn't not because it wasn't my deal. But I was
Speaker 1: sitting there like, you know, how does this work out?
Speaker 1: How this go? Because this is quite serious now and
Speaker 1: this is not you know, this wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 1: We're all gonna sit up here and drink our drinks
Speaker 1: and listening. You don't have to call something whatever. Meason, No,
Speaker 1: he went out. Definitely, No, he definitely yea because saying that, well,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Um, First of all, let me say
Speaker 1: this man, Mike City, Um, you're absolutely amazing. I appreciate
Speaker 1: the love. Haven't been that way for quite some time. Um.
Speaker 1: You are absolutely necessary for the resurgence of R and
Speaker 1: B music. Your information, your gift, your understanding of how
Speaker 1: this ship goes absolutely necessary. Um. So, first off, it
Speaker 1: was good to see you the other night. Running into you.
Speaker 1: It was like because I saw Says running into you
Speaker 1: because I had to really quickly get that in because
Speaker 1: it was crowded, like we had to really. I was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: guys are here like cities here, this is this was
Speaker 1: a real call um. But again, you're necessary, brother, um
Speaker 1: to the to this R and B fabric man, and
Speaker 1: we we need to see and hear more of you
Speaker 1: right now, not later, right now. So that is my
Speaker 1: charge to you, R and B Theologian that I'm tired
Speaker 1: to just running to you at the street fair. Sick
Speaker 1: of it. Can we miss it this year? I think
Speaker 1: it comes to Halloween, doesn't it. Think it's it's Halloween stuff.
Speaker 1: But so, um on behalf of the Army Money podcast
Speaker 1: man and my brother Jake Valentie, and we thank you,
Speaker 1: brother for giving us your time. I appreciate you. You know,
Speaker 1: you your family, your friend, but your time is valuable. Brother,
Speaker 1: and your music is expensive. Man, listen, I'm glad to
Speaker 1: be here. And like you said, army money. If people
Speaker 1: want to get the information everything, these guys they've been
Speaker 1: doing it forever and everything. And I hit you, I said,
Speaker 1: um when I entr on that, I'm like, he went
Speaker 1: right back to commission once again. You cannot lose doing
Speaker 1: that commission just magic and whatever that is. If there
Speaker 1: is magic in there, I'll always be there. And it's transferable,
Speaker 1: like you like you like you can put it. You
Speaker 1: can put that ship on everything, and each voice can
Speaker 1: has it have, each voice can have like before we go. Um, see,
Speaker 1: now that I found the love of my life, I
Speaker 1: don't have to trick no more. I told Dave this
Speaker 1: is what we're doing. He said, yes, we're doing this
Speaker 1: and that was a big part of that song because
Speaker 1: we broke the monotony of everything else. It let Dave
Speaker 1: be Dave again for a minute, and then we got
Speaker 1: back off into being allowed singer. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I just feel like and it's more, but people
Speaker 1: just get to get the lessons and study the great
Speaker 1: study the older generation everything. It's not that the older generations. Hey, nah,
Speaker 1: you gotta get your craft up. You gotta get your
Speaker 1: your ten thousand hours gotta be spent right or just
Speaker 1: ten thousand hours. You can't just spend ten thousand hours
Speaker 1: saying I practiced. I did not. But if it ain't
Speaker 1: spent right, you need ten more thod hours. And that's
Speaker 1: just what That's what it is, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like he torn with everybody singing background making it doing
Speaker 1: this every third, I'm being a printed I'm doing this.
Speaker 1: I remember one when I first met heavy D. He
Speaker 1: didn't know what I did. While I was up he
Speaker 1: was running motown up to that. He said. He looked
Speaker 1: at me, sad, I don't know what you do. You're
Speaker 1: gonna make it. He said, you got a certain energy,
Speaker 1: but you just minding your business. You're just soaking up
Speaker 1: the game. And I was sitting in the corner like
Speaker 1: when my time comes, my time would come and I'll
Speaker 1: do it. There guys and artists, but amazing executive who
Speaker 1: loved R and b MutS loved it. Man really helped.
Speaker 1: He did, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 1: he you know, it's just just stuff like that. And
Speaker 1: when he got out here, you know, it's just funny stuff.
Speaker 1: I used to go box with him and Andreirol just
Speaker 1: working on everything, and O'Neill will be there, just all
Speaker 1: funny stuff. But it's just a community of people getting together,
Speaker 1: like minded with for the for the calls and everything.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, It's like, we gotta get
Speaker 1: back to that, and the young gotta they gotta want
Speaker 1: the lesson too. They gotta want it, or we gotta
Speaker 1: find the people who want the less because there are
Speaker 1: people who want the lesson everything. But you know, just
Speaker 1: just with the songs, you don't need to use a
Speaker 1: million words. Space it out, baby, give the person a
Speaker 1: chance to learn the record or keep the person a
Speaker 1: chance to learn, understand what it is and break it down.
Speaker 1: We don't want to hear five thousand. I don't want
Speaker 1: to have every then you know, on one record, but
Speaker 1: I want to hear it. So don't mumble it, eive.
Speaker 1: I want to hear it. Let's hear it and so
Speaker 1: we can so we can absorb it and take it in.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, listen to the old
Speaker 1: stuff and do and and modernize and do what you do,
Speaker 1: but use those principles because you're still touring twenties down
Speaker 1: the line. Are these R and B artists gonna be
Speaker 1: over tour? Was it two and two thousand forty two?
Speaker 1: Are they gonna be over tour? They're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: I'm cool. That's the real thing they got to think about. Well,
Speaker 1: I know him to close out there and be money podcast,
Speaker 1: but Mike City just did it for us, ladies and gentlemen.
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