WEBVTT - Mike City 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:13.160 R and B. Well Saja Valatic. We are the authority 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:21.279 R and B. R. Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on? 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.119 I am Tank, I'm J Valentine and this is the 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.960 R and B Money Podcast. The authority on all things 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:33.360 R and B is here today. He is he here 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:40.480 all days. One of the architects architects discography, uh eight 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.440 bar to sixteen far turnaround King and the Bridge brought 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.479 his own sound, gets own sound. Huh. The man got 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.279 his own sound. The man got his own sound man, 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.720 the man with messiment, oscillators and stuff to make these sounds. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.240 Ladies and gentlemen, we have in the building super producer 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:05.720 brother Mr Mike s like y'all having um. This clows 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.280 this claimed I mean, okay, I know these guys, so 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.840 they you can look him up. Yeah, I don't know. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.839 You should know. Um. I thought I had a single 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.520 one day of hollis there. We'll start here and then 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.320 we'll go back right to I want to go right there. 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.840 I thought I had a single, you know, and uh 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.840 and Dreano came and picked me up and price something 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:35.920 for something. I think it was the band bands By. Yeah. Yeah, 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:37.800 he came and picked me up and he was like, 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.240 He's like, he's like, you do you do a smash records? 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.839 You know what I'm saying, You're doing crazy records, brothers, 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:45.480 But we're going with this MC city record. I said, 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:51.960 what what are you? What are you talking about? He 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.080 sounds like like your record is not the one because 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.400 he sounds like just like we're going to City Record. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:04.760 It's a spec it's just you played that. And I 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.280 was like, it's just smash. But I'm just sad. I 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.480 you like three of mine, You're gonna throw when you 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.480 learn with the difference between it's matching the hit. Bro 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.520 listen because it's a record that could be a hit, 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.960 but it's it's record that scene and you reminds me off. Yeah, 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.240 so I think nights how I used to beat it up? 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.920 We know, Oh my god, isn't it crazy how back 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.760 then beat it up was almost a problem. It was 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.239 almost it was you know what I'm saying, it was 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.760 having a problem for me. But you're not saying as 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:43.639 far as radio on platforms, you know it was from 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:49.240 then to now, I think that was racy. It was aggressive. 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:53.680 It's and you know, we and I remember Steve irt 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.120 was saying, like did that boy say beat it up? 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.120 Did he say? He was like, and he sang it, 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.079 and he was like, Okay, we're gonna play it. But 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.639 he's saying beat it up now like the nights I 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.800 used to beat it up. Yeah, I would do it again, 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.919 but I can't. Everything is different. Okay, let's talk about it, 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.400 because I would love to talk about we're gonna start normally. 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.760 We'd like to start at the beginning. We're gonna start here, 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.679 then we're gonna go back. Come on my city, let's 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.680 talk about it. So he was there, so I think 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.760 at that time, if you remember, Day was dealing with 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.560 something with his wife. He at the time, I said, David, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:31.919 try to write something to help you stay up in 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.600 the marriage, like to stay whatever this is. And I 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.440 think what. I'm not sure at the time, but she 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.760 was cool, you know what I'm saying. And I was like, 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.080 we're gonna I'm gonna come on with this. And at 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.360 first he was like, I don't know about that city 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.320 because we had other joint. I said, come on, Dave, 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.200 youve me a try, give me a try. So I 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:54.160 played for Gerald Busby was like, oh, not only are 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.920 we cutting this the first single before we cut it. 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.640 We was at west Lake on Bella. Not only are 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.360 we cutting it as the first single, and he got 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.720 the album done, like in two weeks. Gerald had got 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.280 his MS, The Child at Night, the whole not so 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.800 what I did. And I was just telling J. I said, Dave, 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:12.600 we ain't gonna you ain't gonna be you ain't gonna 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.640 preach on this one. You're gonna sitting there, You're gonna 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:17.880 be in the booth. You're gonna be allowed singer. I 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:19.800 don't know what he had, he might have a single more, 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:25.680 I don't know what he's He's like, it's so fun. 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.680 They just moved it all the way out. And then 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.760 getting back to our constant conversation, we got to the bridge. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.920 I said, Dave, you're going commission. He's like, yes, do, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.120 let's do it. And we went commission. And you know what, 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.920 I don't know one. I don't know one legit, R 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:48.560 and B artist or group who's ever lost on commission 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.600 if you can talk about one twelve, I don't know 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:56.520 one who ever lost. They've never lost. You. You gained 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:01.360 the audience from that lesson. That's just what it is, 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.440 and take it still do. Army Records years later because 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.280 he's still got the commission lessons before we go. I 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.120 don't know if I want quick question, did you write 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.080 that record top to bottom? Because that should be Yeah. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.040 I don't like your attitude a man that walks in 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:25.920 the studio and says, here goes a song completely, that's 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.160 a different breed. No, no, it's just it's a different 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:33.240 breed of creative. I want to go back, Okay on 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:37.960 my drink champs rant Okay, I want to I want 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:43.360 to go, I want to back. I want to because no, 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:48.520 he dropped the jewels back away from and add another 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:56.640 person to the hundred percenters. I omitted you in that. No, no, no, no, 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:03.720 no you Mike City is a hundred represent with smashes smash. 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.600 I'm no you should. You should be saluted and celebrated 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.240 for that, because that is not an easy feat. Like 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.400 there are guys who can really write songs, There are 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.160 guys who can do great beats, there are guys who 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:20.359 can produce Those are all separate things. But for someone 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:24.040 to be able to bring all that into one's an 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.680 amazing feat. Man, Because and and and so many people 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.360 have tried it are so many people have said they 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.600 were those guys and put their names on it, like 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:43.400 the ghost Everywhere, Ghosting everywhere guys. But it's the crazy 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.800 thing about it is, Like the crazy thing about it 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.800 is I never really it's all fun to me, right, 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.880 So I never really kind of know what I'm gonna 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.240 do until I sit down and do it. I'm not 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.960 sitting down practicing, no court, I'm not even a keyboard player. 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.280 I came up playing the drums in the base. But 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.840 that principle allowed me to figure out whatever I need 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.240 to figure out to get what I gotta get done. 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.480 So it's like I don't even sit down and just 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.800 be like I just sit down and be like, Okay, 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.600 what what do we have today? Like what I'm saying. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:15.880 So it's like just like even um working with Brandy. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.600 I started the track and okay, let's stop there because 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.600 because you're going there, Okay, let's go back to the 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:31.880 We're gonna get the Brandy to the beginning. Okay, North Carolina, Okay, Okay, Okay, 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:36.920 So what is the moment or when is the moment 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:45.760 where Mike City is is in the headspace of I'm 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.760 I can I can produce, I can actually do this, 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.720 Like this is a this is a real thing. You 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.000 know what I'm saying outside of being what church musician, 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:58.320 because for sure, I mean my father was in the Highway. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.400 QC is big Gospel with my on to play for 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:04.360 the Mike clause of Jordan, your brother played for the Mighty. Yeah, 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:15.040 so it's you. Yeah, listen, listen. Somebody had a pistol. Yeah, 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:20.360 put you in the even respect that. Yeah, you gotta 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.920 you gotta respect. You gotta have any money you have. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:28.000 Jola got the money. I can't play with them. Somebody 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:35.880 somebody had a piston Yeah, what somebody's gonna have your brother? Yeah, 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.120 my brother. You know what I'm saying. So it's like 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.880 and then like when I was young, like um, because 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.840 my father background, people like um, what's one man? Um? 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.520 Johnny Taylor is to come by the house friends of 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:50.839 my file. I don't know where they are. They just 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:55.480 older dudes, because come and kill you, pops. My pops 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:59.480 is cool with um, Like um, um, what's my man name? 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.599 Anthony sounded like what's my man name? Because I know 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:08.160 his doorter here trip um Anthony Hamilton. Yeah, what's what's 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:16.880 her name's? Father? Frank wax father? Just um Jeffrey No, 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:21.320 not not Jeffrey m. The old lou Raws like Lou 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.240 Raw and Ros will just come by the house, you know, 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.840 people with lou Raws. Um Um Glenn Jones. Remember seeing 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.959 glim Jones in my house and I was little. Yeah, Like, 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.880 you know, my brother went to school with My brother 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:39.480 went to high school with um, what's her name? West 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.560 Philly High with um. I think she's selling shame Evan 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.800 the Champain King. My brother went to high school. Like, 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.440 so this is all around me coming up anyway, right, 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.839 I'm just soaking up the energy. So by time, you know, 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.120 I'm still doing and I'm going around playing and acquiring 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.680 and churches and stuff like um. I think there's an 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.680 advantage to that because I was talking to like Keith 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:04.320 Pells are produced on different you know, floortry and different things. 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.680 Like we was young going around playing different church and everything. 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.599 And I'm sure I ran across dram you down and 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.439 them we all. Yeah, I'm in Philly books, living in 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.199 South Jersey, which is right of the bridge. You know, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.160 I got you know, my pops got us out there. 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:17.480 I mean we had a station wagon, stole one week, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.400 got another and stole another one in Westfill, like consecutive 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.280 weeds like we're going to South Jersey. Here we are, right, 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.240 So all that energy is helping, you know, breathe, like 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.320 confidence in doing what you do. Now. When I went 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:34.839 to college, I started as a business major. Right, I 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.800 heard boys the Man Why Yate stepmom was my home 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:39.720 teachering on high school. I was like, Oh, it's musical, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.679 but it's just it was just too much. I was like, 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.319 I can't run from what I'm supposed to do. Like 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.400 I'm trying to run from it. I'm supposed to do music, 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.400 so I supposed to music, and you know, that's when 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.480 I was like, I gotta do this. And really the 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.959 whole thing was I was like it was always the 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:56.880 show like my boys and my people like I could 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.320 do that. I would hear stuff like I got something 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:00.880 that I could do that, But right, I have my 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.240 own sounds. So I was like, where do I fit 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.480 in because I don't sound like that. I don't sound 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.839 like that. It's not really always R and B is 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.640 not allay. It's a merger of everything that I am. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.760 It was like, I mean, I just say when I 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.000 first heard you, as you get into like you starting 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.679 to create that sound. When I first heard it, it 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:28.000 was like it was like aggressive drums but retro musicality 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.280 almost Stevie wonderous. And that's what I'm saying, Like that 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.679 everything goes to who put all of that together like that? 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.480 And that's that's just what I hear, you know what 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.679 I'm saying. So it's like I hear and I hear bridges, 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.640 and I hear all that stuff, But I want to 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.600 hear who under it. I want to hear the trip 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:46.360 what I'm saying, I want to hear dream under it. 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:50.480 So that was my music was aggressive. It's still aggressive, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.520 but and aggressive. No, but I'm saying even when you first, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.800 when you first came in it started that it's just 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.360 like it just hit it just I just just I 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.760 just like it's like I always wanted to give it 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.360 that bounce. So that's why I always say I come 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.800 with the bounce, because it's like, no matter if I 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.560 did it, I did a track of the day when 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.199 I was in the right kid, it's sounding like I 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.679 did it in two thousand two because I know how 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.800 to go right there because I always that's a happy space, 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.640 you know, and I never you know, it's like I 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.920 never had to chase, trap or anything else. I just 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.800 do what I do, not do trap for TV and 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:25.839 film and different things. But I always just do what 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:29.720 I do because I'd be like, it's gonna it's gonna last. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:31.960 It's just gonna last. And I always feel like if 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:33.480 it lasts, not try to tell. Like a lot of 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.280 young producers, just do what you feel good about. And 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.280 that's why it's like to feel good and everything, because 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:40.920 you know, when we do these music like we R 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.319 and B, you don't want to you don't want to 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.280 threaten the checks. You don't want to threatened women. You 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.920 want the beautiful women to stay around. Don't be too threatening. 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.640 You know, Andre Roy just said, don't threaten the women. 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.959 You know, I'm saying, like, keep the women. Don't threaten 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.640 the women. They gotta be all right, and you gotta 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.560 have that energy like you don't want to threaten them. 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.520 As long as the pretty girls and everybody having a 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.120 good time, We have them a good time, and that's 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:06.040 what it is. The first the first piece of equipment 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:11.040 you started producing, d X one d a little the 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.200 little keyboard, and I had a Yama Hydru. I had 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:15.920 that in college. I had a d X one hundred, 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.000 the little version of the d X seven. I couldn't 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.360 afford the d X seven. I bought an a s 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.240 R attendants that are behind the car. I needed a car, 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.720 but I said, I need to get at this point, 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.959 I just got out of college, I said, but I 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.040 needed I need to get right. Once you got to that, yeah, 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:34.600 I was like, I was like, I need to get right. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.120 So I'm gonna you know, chicks could clumb me with 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.360 my bummy car. They want to, but I'm gonna have 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.760 a laugh because I'm gonna get right. So I got 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.480 the s R ten and I got to, you know, 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:48.280 do my ten thousand hours in. Because I always could write, 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.720 I had to get to produce. I could write whatever, 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.280 but I had to. Yeah you know what I'm saying. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:59.000 I was the producing out of necessity. Yeah, because I wanted. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.080 I was. At this point. They couldn't send tracks tracks 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.720 like you know, sending the emailing the NP three over 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.640 just somebody who lives in a whole another country, like 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.200 it's it's funny, like now you it's a kid. They'd 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.199 be like, oh yeah, this little rapper got a producer. 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:18.599 He in Germany. Right. Even even crazier now is the 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:23.080 guy in Wyoming did the guitars, the guy and did 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.600 the kids, and the guy in Russia did the drums. 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.640 Like that's how crazy it is. It's just crazy. So 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:30.520 I had to get on the answer. I tend to 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:31.880 me it was a one hitter quitter. I know a 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:36.720 lot of people using that. Yeah, that's the the MP. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.160 I was like, let me get on the sock and 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:39.840 playing my keys and everything and do all this stuff 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.120 and everything and just and just go from there. And 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.080 it just that's how I just came. And my first 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:50.960 major placement was wrapping fourte my first major place. Man, 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.440 I told you what I had you one day. RBL 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.520 Possumb was my guys. I was out with your guys. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.040 I didn't know that so I met. I think it's 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.200 it's fly tying guys. I met all them. Yeah, I 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:06.840 met them and and I met I met um telling 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.440 them to RBL. So you know what I'm gonna do 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.040 At this point, I'm going to say that my neighborhood 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:18.200 Filmo started, Mike Filmo started Mike City. My first major 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:22.520 places a legend, that's a legend, that's a fact from 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.440 our neighborhood. He had the first platinum record out of 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.400 San Francisco. For a rapper, that's the Players Club. You 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:29.600 know what I mean. If you ever you know you 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.960 want to feel like a player, listen to the club. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.120 That's crazy. Because I went to the Gavin Sessions just 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.160 to get in the mixed. I was like, yeah, yes, 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.840 my my big cousin used to be one of people 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:42.400 put on the game. I went to just getting the 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.920 mix and I started just just getting in pocket with 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.440 people and r B all came up. Boy, I'm out there, 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:52.800 Black Black Sea and Rest in Peace. One. I didn't 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.960 know him at hit Man Man. Hit Man was with 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.160 all of them out there and we was all out. 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.840 Dear um in Anty, I'm out the anti aquat. You 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:04.720 know what I'm saying. I'm just I'm just I'm just 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.960 getting on in. So this is like how the Bay Area. 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.720 Bay is very inclusive. You're like, if they feel your vibe, 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.720 you're good. If they don't feel your vibe, you gotta god. 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.360 You know what they is? They different like that wife 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.120 from the band, you know what I'm saying, Like the Babes, 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.200 Like if they feel your vibe is it's inclusive. If 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.840 you mind being right, get up out of here, like 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.320 when you're playing with you. So no, so that's so 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.640 doing that, you know, and it's like that jumped it 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.880 off and everything. The first placement, If you don't mind 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.320 me asking you, what do you charge for your first placement? 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.800 My first placement, I think I might have charged two 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:48.800 jeans or something. I charged twenty. I tried send me 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:55.960 fine if I wish, but I kept my publishing. Yeah yeah, 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:02.240 with the hands though, with the heads. So how between 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.000 those two records, because obviously that's where we wish was 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.680 your second record? I wish because because I said, where 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.119 we all found out about Mike to me, here's the 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:14.440 here's the thing. At first, I didn't really like what 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:16.240 R and B was going, so I was like, I 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.440 should be a hip hopatis I just do beats and 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.440 just whatever it is. And I had that that record 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:26.920 laying around, and then you know, Tough, Tough, m Tough. 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.680 I go up with Tough in Jersey him and calling 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:34.000 most people. He's like, you're the record. He's like, let me, sure, 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.040 you let me? He said, you ain't got He's like, 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:37.840 I know you got the record when he played for Carl. 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.639 So at first, it was just the track, just a 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.320 song I had it. I already had it, the song 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:47.320 was done. I added the bridge. You know what, you 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:54.800 don't do that, let's expect that. Man. What happened was 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.600 so they played it and Carl loved it. Right. So 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:02.440 then um calling told um puff about it, and I'm 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.160 up in At this point, I'm in yonkers with DN 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:07.960 Want and roughly I'm about to get down with them 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:12.080 because my boy was signing them and I like hip hop. Yeah, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:13.960 so I'm like, but you got this R and B. 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:18.399 I got some R and B stuffy sod is this 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:23.080 record this point? I probably wrote I wish and it 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.160 comes out with like ninety nine didn't nine nine? Okay, 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.320 so I probably did the beat Ninette nine nine is 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.320 a true story, straight up. You wish you never met her. 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:38.480 Take it so bad, not to get take it so bad. 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.600 I went back to him. I went back to vote 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.199 one time because my license was still in North Carolina. 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.040 I saw it from a distance. I was about to 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:51.919 get out again. Didn't don't ever walk down that path again. 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.639 Then real talk. So yeah, so we're throwing all that 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:01.320 and everything. So um Karl got puffed. Um No, you know, 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:03.560 listen to the record, I guess or whatever was going on. 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.720 But this is right around the time when the free 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:12.800 locks campaign was going on. Yeah, this is important story. 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.920 So they called me to the studio. Carl come to 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.119 come to go give to Daddy's house to go give 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.000 a puff, not knowing I'm up there with the rough rider. 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.600 So me, my man a g and this dude, Roger. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.240 I think he don't know a rough rider. Sure, so 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:31.400 we get to we get to daddy's house. We get 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.720 in the studio. Now now I know all these people later, 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:38.840 but it was like Puff, Hard, Conrad, maybe Bobby a 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.840 few other people. Then Puff was like, ye know, who's 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.480 all these things up in here with the studio? Blah blah. 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.439 Y'all know I'm trying to get it. Kicked his out 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.640 the studio. I got kicked out of the daddy's house. 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.560 One hunt it before you ever played the record, fly I. 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.080 I couldn't even play the record. I kicked out the 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:59.120 daddy's house. I was like, all right, I'm going back 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:05.040 to Yonkers. A week later, Tough call meus like puff 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.040 her the record. He love the record. We won't cut 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.359 the record. He was like, yo, meet me in the 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:11.359 Bronx because you know the Yarnkers is Wow, He's like, 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:13.800 meet me in the Bronx, Come meet me in the Bronx, 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:15.880 and we're gonna go to So I went from getting 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.040 kicked out his daddy's house to being up at sound 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:24.760 on Sound Electric Lady Um Hit Factory within a matter 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:36.280 of a week. I was at this point, I'm just 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.960 trying to get on the album. Was no single one 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.320 like he was like, yo, just you can start writing 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:44.520 and producing people and we will move around like that. 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.720 I'm just trying to get on the album. So we 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.560 do that record everything. And then I had another record 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.879 that they wanted for Tanya Blunt that she was on 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.920 the label two right, car her the record. He's like, 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.800 give me that record. I'm cutting that record. He took 0:20:57.880 --> 0:20:59.879 the record and that's you ain't right. So that's the 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.920 the record of that guy that got an album called 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.400 took the record right. So we're just trying to get 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.480 on the record, right and that. But during this whole time, 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:12.200 by all this time happening and stuff already got Sunshine 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:15.840 tucked away and we're starting to work on Yeah, and 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.560 that's when I'm coming over. I went to when I 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:20.480 was getting out of college. She was coming in college. 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.359 So we've known. I've been kind of grooming her since 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.600 the mid nineties and and I was gonna have a 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.160 production deal with Capital Records back then, but they shut 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.080 down the Black News Department, so that kind of got 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:34.720 forward and everything. So but she was in DC working 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.280 for the government. Like y'all, it's telling to go. We 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:39.000 go in to l A. That's how I'm out here. 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:41.800 I wasn't supposed to be here, like we came out 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.119 here to work on an album. I started learning my 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.080 where of my I was like, hey, I kind of 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.520 like this is all right. And the weather. I was like, 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.760 now I'm married with two kids, and you know, likefriend, 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:59.639 you know what I mean. Yeah, so so so everything 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.080 is just happening at that time. And um, and it's 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:06.720 crazy because I wind up doing uh I did crawling. 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:13.560 We recorded I wish I want to say, June. Here's 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:16.359 another sidebar. You know, I was living in Durham, North 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.639 Carolina front the time, right because most people think that 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:23.640 you're from North Carolina because I went down I thought 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.560 you were from North Carolina. I went down there and 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.560 stayed after college. So that's how you know, I got 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.760 associated with that and marks watching them now in North Carolina. Right, 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:35.440 so so so, um so run this time Dune in 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:41.320 June nine, Um, Corey mcgetty and Elton they my guys, 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:44.440